[00:12] It would be cool if we could get someone in to do a lecture about LaTeX and LaTeX styling [00:21] LaTeX is a good thing for a workshop or a LUG presentation [00:21] BobJonkman: Do you know cccharles? [00:21] It's been years since KWLUG did LaTeX [00:21] Chris Charles? [00:23] I just ran into Kyle Spaans, who did the LaTeX lecture in January 2010; he's just moved to London, UK [00:23] No, don't know Chris Charles [00:23] One of the last times I saw him present, he decided it would be a good idea to make his own presentation software in the presentation as part of the presentation [00:23] That's always cool. [00:24] He wrote his entire presentation software in emacs and then, when he was done, he started presenting his slides [00:24] Never got into LaTeX, but laurelrusswurm wants to typeset her next book with it [00:24] :) [00:24] What has she used previously? [00:24] OpenOffice/LibreOffice [00:24] Ah.. ouch... [00:25] That's pretty hard core of her [00:25] Most publishers (printers) want you to submit the manuscript as PDF or MS-Word [00:25] pdflatex is great for that [00:25] One site only takes MS-Word, then creates multiple formats for e-books. [00:26] laurelrusswurm did it all herself with various epub tools [00:26] cool [00:26] So LaTeX takes a bit more learning, but should be simpler in the long run [00:27] https://laurelrusswurm.wordpress.com/tag/smashwords/ [00:29] LaTeX will take quite a bit more learning [00:29] But its benefits are tremendous [00:29] For example, native version control using packages like Git [00:31] Technically you could do the same thing with .docx but either you end up with a binary blob which is useless for tracking changes with or you xml files everywhere [00:31] Personally, I would opt for the latter [00:32] There are good ways and bad ways of dealing with manuscripts in word processors. I've never had to create anything nearly that big, but I think sub-documents are the way to go [00:33] I'm not one to say either [00:33] books scare me [00:33] I was providing tech support to an HR department, and the secretary called to say she was having trouble with her document [00:34] Seems she couldn't print the latest letter rejecting some candidate for a job [00:34] Ah [00:34] That one [00:34] :) [00:34] So I went over to have a look. [00:35] Sure enough she was having trouble with her document. In all the time she'd worked there, she had only created one document that contained a page for every letter she'd ever typed. [00:35] WordPerfect stopped working after the first thousand pages or so... [00:36] But I don't think LaTeX would have helped her... [00:36] :) [00:37] BobJonkman:Hi Bob [00:37] Hey, it's the Ubuntu Hour Toronto host! [00:38] Oh come on.... there are lots of us here in Toronto :-) [00:39] I hope folks will show up, weather man says expect 30cm of the white stuff so bundle up [00:39] Don't be saying that! [00:40] http://weather.gc.ca/city/pages/on-82_metric_e.html says only 5-10 cm here [00:41] http://weather.gc.ca/city/pages/on-143_metric_e.html says 10-15cm for Toronto [00:41] That's not so bad [00:42] well so far it's clear n just a little dusting but by morning who knows [00:43] Appreciate your coming all the way and dragging some friends too :-) [00:44] We stick together :) [00:46] am very glad u do :) and azend if there is work or projects I can get involved in with Bob do keep me in mind. Work has been few and far between... [00:48] Thanks for offering [00:49] Unless you would like to commute to Guelph every month or so though, I don't think there's much you can do to help :) [00:49] Seriously can use some work :-) [00:50] Well I can always relocate ? If it puts food on the table , covers the rent and pays ma bills :-) [00:50] aruna_: I'm surprised you struggle so much [00:50] Good IT people are always hard to find [00:51] it's like this azend, am on disability but I do not much care to be on disability if I am able to work and contribute [00:52] but no one has given me a break yet in IT, general labour fatory work though is plenty but am not doing that no more [00:52] been dere, done dat, printed da T-shirts :-) [00:53] I'm surprised you guys are having such a hard time [00:53] it's the gospel truth friend [00:53] You both seem to have experience [00:54] Because we all know you can't get experience before you get experience ;) [00:54] hell no bob is a guru, am well... I have my areas where I shine but bob is much more experienced [00:54] ha haa so true [01:09] Bad news: laurelrusswurm just cancelled. So we'll be one short tomorrow [01:11] oh damn ! why ? [01:12] well I will send another email on the list and home some linux chix will show up [01:13] gender balance woudl be nice, we are most times male dominated [01:15] Michael Kaulbach said he will drop by and drag a couple of friends [01:15] David Pelly is coming from Cambridge [02:09] Hey, Ubuntu Hour Hosts: http://sobac.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=f610a6e287145f90f14182e019dde856 [02:29] BobJonkman: nice. i remember to horrible hand written signs i used to make/use ;) [02:30] BobJonkman: thanks again for the gnusocial group - it's grown, a little to 7 i believe. [02:37] laurelrusswurm: hi, thank uuu so much for the Ubuntu Hour Toronto stand-up and am sad you are unable to make it this time, will look forward to next time :-) [02:54] Anyone available to proofreed my terrible writing? http://dl.azend.org/SQ1_FinalQA.pdf [07:27] Hey BobJonkman thanks for offering the ride [07:28] If I'm up tomorrow I will get in contact with you [07:28] otherwise have a great time in T.DOT with aruna :) [07:30] azend: OK, call between 10:00am and noon; +1-519-669-0388. Call +1-519-635-9413 after noon. If I haven't heard from you by 12:20pm or so I'll zoom right through Guelph (might make a left turn at Planet Bean, tho) [07:31] Sounds good [07:31] Need to get your fix? [07:57] Beans! [07:57] Off to bed. This morning's beans have just about worn off. [16:52] hey BobJonkman1 [20:34] Here at the mall but don't see anyone [20:35] BobJonkman, azend ... If you guys are around, I'm sitting near Pizza-Pizza/Subway/New York Fries [20:36] The wifi was crap so have my N4 tethered [20:38] Wave or something [21:04] BobJonkman: [21:13] Hi aruna [21:13] Hi again, aruna [21:14] Hi aruna_ [21:14] Hi Bob, thank you and Azend for coming all the way from Kitchner and Michael too [21:14] So, we're all here at Ubuntu Hour Toronto. I'll have a picture soon === jlamothe is now known as Guest40934 [22:01] Here's the pics: http://pix.ie/ubuntuca/album/482290/detailed === Guest40934 is now known as jlamothe