[00:12] <azend> It would be cool if we could get someone in to do a lecture about LaTeX and LaTeX styling
[00:21] <BobJonkman> LaTeX is a good thing for a workshop or a LUG presentation
[00:21] <azend> BobJonkman: Do you know cccharles?
[00:21] <BobJonkman> It's been years since KWLUG did LaTeX
[00:21] <azend> Chris Charles?
[00:23] <BobJonkman> I just ran into Kyle Spaans, who did the LaTeX lecture in January 2010; he's just moved to London, UK
[00:23] <BobJonkman> No, don't know Chris Charles
[00:23] <azend> One of the last times I saw him present, he decided it would be a good idea to make his own presentation software in the presentation as part of the presentation
[00:23] <BobJonkman> That's always cool.
[00:24] <azend> He wrote his entire presentation software in emacs and then, when he was done, he started presenting his slides
[00:24] <BobJonkman> Never got into LaTeX, but laurelrusswurm wants to typeset her next book with it
[00:24] <azend> :)
[00:24] <azend> What has she used previously?
[00:24] <BobJonkman> OpenOffice/LibreOffice
[00:24] <azend> Ah.. ouch...
[00:25] <azend> That's pretty hard core of her
[00:25] <BobJonkman> Most publishers (printers) want you to submit the manuscript as PDF or MS-Word
[00:25] <azend> pdflatex is great for that
[00:25] <BobJonkman> One site only takes MS-Word, then creates multiple formats for e-books.
[00:26] <BobJonkman> laurelrusswurm did it all herself with various epub tools
[00:26] <azend> cool
[00:26] <BobJonkman> So LaTeX takes a bit more learning, but should be simpler in the long run
[00:27] <BobJonkman> https://laurelrusswurm.wordpress.com/tag/smashwords/
[00:29] <azend> LaTeX will take quite a bit more learning
[00:29] <azend> But its benefits are tremendous
[00:29] <azend> For example, native version control using packages like Git
[00:31] <azend> Technically you could do the same thing with .docx but either you end up with a binary blob which is useless for tracking changes with or you xml files everywhere
[00:31] <azend> Personally, I would opt for the latter
[00:32] <BobJonkman> There are good ways and bad ways of dealing with manuscripts in word processors. I've never had to create anything nearly that big, but I think sub-documents are the way to go
[00:33] <azend> I'm not one to say either
[00:33] <azend> books scare me
[00:33] <BobJonkman> I was providing tech support to an HR department, and the secretary called to say she was having trouble with her document
[00:34] <BobJonkman> Seems she couldn't print the latest letter rejecting some candidate for a job
[00:34] <azend> Ah
[00:34] <azend> That one
[00:34] <azend> :)
[00:34] <BobJonkman> So I went over to have a look.
[00:35] <BobJonkman> Sure enough she was having trouble with her document. In all the time she'd worked there, she had only created one document that contained a page for every letter she'd ever typed.
[00:35] <BobJonkman> WordPerfect stopped working after the first thousand pages or so...
[00:36] <BobJonkman> But I don't think LaTeX would have helped her...
[00:36] <azend> :)
[00:37] <aruna_> BobJonkman:Hi Bob
[00:37] <BobJonkman> Hey, it's the Ubuntu Hour Toronto host!
[00:38] <aruna_> Oh come on.... there are lots of us here in Toronto :-)
[00:39] <aruna_> I hope folks will show up, weather man says expect 30cm of the white  stuff so bundle up
[00:39] <BobJonkman> Don't be saying that!
[00:40] <BobJonkman> http://weather.gc.ca/city/pages/on-82_metric_e.html says only 5-10 cm here
[00:41] <BobJonkman> http://weather.gc.ca/city/pages/on-143_metric_e.html says 10-15cm for Toronto
[00:41] <BobJonkman> That's not so bad
[00:42] <aruna_> well so far it's clear n just a little dusting but by morning who knows
[00:43] <aruna_> Appreciate your coming all the way and dragging some friends too :-)
[00:44] <azend> We stick together :)
[00:46] <aruna_> am very glad u do :) and azend if there is work or projects I can get involved in with Bob do keep me in mind. Work has been few and far between...
[00:48] <azend> Thanks for offering
[00:49] <azend> Unless you would like to commute to Guelph every month or so though, I don't think there's much you can do to help :)
[00:49] <aruna_> Seriously can use some work :-)
[00:50] <aruna_> Well I can always relocate ? If it puts food on the table , covers the rent and pays ma bills :-)
[00:50] <azend> aruna_: I'm surprised you struggle so much
[00:50] <azend> Good IT people are always hard to find
[00:51] <aruna_> it's like this azend, am on disability but I do not much care to be on disability if I am able to work and contribute
[00:52] <aruna_> but no one has given me a break yet in IT, general labour fatory work though is plenty but am not doing that no more
[00:52] <aruna_> been dere, done dat, printed da T-shirts :-)
[00:53] <azend> I'm surprised you guys are having such a hard time
[00:53] <aruna_> it's the gospel truth friend
[00:53] <azend> You both seem to have experience
[00:54] <azend> Because we all know you can't get experience before you get experience ;)
[00:54] <aruna_> hell no bob is a guru, am well... I have my areas where I shine but bob is much more experienced
[00:54] <aruna_> ha haa so true
[01:09] <BobJonkman> Bad news: laurelrusswurm just cancelled.  So we'll be one short tomorrow
[01:11] <aruna_> oh damn ! why ?
[01:12] <aruna_> well I will send another email on the list and home some linux chix will show up
[01:13] <aruna_> gender balance woudl be nice, we are most times male dominated
[01:15] <aruna_> Michael Kaulbach said he will drop by and drag a couple of friends
[01:15] <aruna_> David Pelly is coming from Cambridge
[02:09] <BobJonkman> Hey, Ubuntu Hour Hosts: http://sobac.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=f610a6e287145f90f14182e019dde856
[02:29] <zykotick9> BobJonkman: nice.  i remember to horrible hand written signs i used to make/use ;)
[02:30] <zykotick9> BobJonkman: thanks again for the gnusocial group - it's grown, a little to 7 i believe.
[02:37] <aruna_> laurelrusswurm: hi, thank uuu so much for the Ubuntu Hour Toronto stand-up and am sad you are unable to make it this time, will look forward to next time :-)
[02:54] <azend> Anyone available to proofreed my terrible writing? http://dl.azend.org/SQ1_FinalQA.pdf
[07:27] <azend> Hey BobJonkman thanks for offering the ride
[07:28] <azend> If I'm up tomorrow I will get in contact with you
[07:28] <azend> otherwise have a great time in T.DOT with aruna :)
[07:30] <BobJonkman> azend: OK, call between 10:00am and noon; +1-519-669-0388. Call +1-519-635-9413 after noon. If I haven't heard from you by 12:20pm or so I'll zoom right through Guelph (might make a left turn at Planet Bean, tho)
[07:31] <azend> Sounds good
[07:31] <azend> Need to get your fix?
[07:57] <BobJonkman> Beans!
[07:57] <BobJonkman> Off to bed.  This morning's beans have just about worn off.
[16:52] <azend> hey BobJonkman1
[20:34] <genii> Here at the mall but don't see anyone
[20:35] <genii> BobJonkman, azend ... If you guys are around, I'm sitting near Pizza-Pizza/Subway/New York Fries
[20:36] <genii> The wifi was crap so have my N4 tethered
[20:38] <BobJonkman> Wave or something
[21:04] <azend> BobJonkman:
[21:13] <BobJonkman> Hi aruna
[21:13] <BobJonkman2> Hi again, aruna
[21:14] <BobJonkman2> Hi aruna_
[21:14] <aruna_> Hi Bob, thank you and Azend for coming all the way from Kitchner and Michael too
[21:14] <BobJonkman2> So, we're all here at Ubuntu Hour Toronto. I'll have a picture soon
[22:01] <BobJonkman2> Here's the pics: http://pix.ie/ubuntuca/album/482290/detailed