[00:00] <popey> AlanBell: thats excellent
[00:02] <AlanBell> popey: I thought you might like it :)
[10:23] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:42] <popey> Good morning
[10:43] <brobostigon> morning popey
[11:35] <foobarry> lovely sunny day
[11:36] <brobostigon> certainly, and reletivly warm,
[11:36] <foobarry> http://ibnlive.in.com/news/google-may-use-arm-technology-for-server-processors/439558-11.html
[11:37] <foobarry> warm in my sitting room
[11:37] <shauno> gale-force rain over here :/
[11:38] <foobarry> google contributes to 5% of intel sales?
[11:38] <brobostigon> 8c outside here, which for this time of the year, is good.
[11:41] <foobarry> the bigger story that they might make their own chips
[11:41] <shauno> this steamos stuff has me thinking about building a htpc all over again
[11:56] <foobarry> what hardware shauno ?
[11:57] <shauno> I have no idea yet.  that's the fun bit :)
[11:57] <foobarry> i have a pvr ..bit limited in that it is not internet connected, but lot less hassle and wife friendly
[11:58] <shauno> I have an appletv atm, that's been xbmc'd up the wazoo.  it's nice & tidy but a bit tired
[12:00] <shauno> although most my problems are simply that it has an OS version so old that no-one targets it anymore
[12:01] <Myrtti> oh dear
[12:01] <Myrtti> Amazon lighting deals have a nice looking camera on
[12:01] <Myrtti> tell me I don't need a new camera
[12:02] <penguin42> Myrtti: What's your current camera?
[12:02] <shauno> you want us to lie to your face?  it's christmas, of course you need new toys ;)
[12:02] <Myrtti> Olympus Pen PL-1
[12:02] <penguin42> you don't need a new camera!
[12:02] <Myrtti> http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00CBF4KKI/ gna gna gna
[12:03] <Myrtti> it's 300 pounds :-o
[12:03] <Myrtti> I don't need a new camera.
[12:04] <Myrtti> (I'd otherwise ask D to convince me, but he's in this Code Retreat thing in Pborough and isn't available to convince me to not look at things)
[12:04] <penguin42> Myrtti: The Nikon they have on there is more my level
[12:04] <Myrtti> penguin42: yeah I know, I won't even look at it because I find the m4/3'rds more my size devices
[12:05] <Myrtti> if a camera is any bigger I won't use it at all
[12:05] <Myrtti> anyhoo, time to go stir the slow cooker
[12:06] <foobarry> "It was expensive, not so much for the fish, but for the helium, so all in this is a 60 quid helium balloon. We bought two,(fish and shark) and one large sized canister from Toys r us, who assured us the one can would do the fish and the shark. It did the one Clown fish. The fish went together fasirly easily, nothing complicated, and the kids did like it, that is until I opened the back door to put some wine outside and it made a beeline st
[12:06] <foobarry> lol. looks like a massive con. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wow-Stuff-Air-Swimmer-870101/dp/B004P2CQM4/ref=sr_1_74?s=kids&ie=UTF8&qid=1387022647&sr=1-74
[12:10] <penguin42> Myrtti: I like having a camera that just sits in my pocket all the time, doesn't take up much space and is cheap enough that I don't worry much about just leaving it in my pocket
[12:10] <AlanBell> foobarry: I have one, it is brilliant
[12:10] <penguin42> Myrtti: And I like having a good zoom to go with it
[12:10] <AlanBell> foobarry: I have the angry birds one
[12:11] <Myrtti> oh *that* nikon
[12:12] <penguin42> Myrtti: My current one is a Samsung WB600 (or is it the 550 hmm) but it's 12Mp, 18x zoom I think - but pretty lousy in low light
[12:12] <foobarry> AlanBell: its a remote control airship?
[12:13] <foobarry> but you have to get it filled with helium, so a rather luxury item right?
[12:13] <AlanBell> it is a toy, yes, but not expensive really
[12:13] <AlanBell> about £20 for a helium cylinder which lasts quite a while
[12:14] <AlanBell> and it lasts much longer than RC planes or cars for a playing session
[12:14] <AlanBell> and it is funny
[12:16]  * AlanBell charges it up and tops up the helium
[12:19] <foobarry> i wonder who  these people selling ps4 on facebook are
[12:19] <foobarry> played it for a week and now skint?
[12:26] <penguin42> foobarry: Or found a discount system somewhere?
[12:31] <brobostigon> is there a way to trick the google play store into thinking you have a different device, to install something it says is incompatible.?
[12:56]  * popey spatchcocks a chicken
[12:57] <brobostigon> :)
[12:58] <popey> http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2013/12/14/s06e42-no-country-for-old-ubuntu/
[12:58] <popey> \o/ better late than never
[12:58] <brobostigon> :)
[13:00] <foobarry> daddy please can we watch click at lunchtime? OK :D
[13:00] <foobarry> ANGRY BIRDS daddy ,robots!
[13:06] <brobostigon> click got ditched for nelson mendelas funeral.
[13:12] <penguin42> hmm - http://www.staples.co.uk/phones-digital-cameras-ereaders/digital-cameras-digital-frames/digital-cameras/camileo-x400-red   I was almost tempted by that; but that says 5MP there, but in the ad in the paper it said 16Mp
[13:13] <foobarry> brobostigon: i'm watching it
[13:13] <brobostigon> foobarry: i am watching on iplayer.
[13:13] <foobarry> i record the longer version,the shortonedidn't get shown
[13:17] <foobarry> lol @ the 3d printed hipster gramophone
[13:18] <brobostigon> 8 or 900 quid, ouch though.
[13:23] <shauno> ooh, Chang-e is scheduled to land (on the moon) today.  neat!
[13:27] <gordonjcp> shauno: landed
[13:27] <foobarry> any parents tried colarapp?
[13:28] <shauno> damnit, I missed it.  seems successful though.  awesome
[18:33] <penguin42> popey: Wow at the auto tagging - I wonder how many CPU cores Google dedicate to cat detection
[18:33] <popey> yeah
[18:34] <penguin42> their image analysis/search is pretty damn neat these days
[18:42] <daftykins> :)
[19:50] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[20:02] <foobarry> never seen tron or the new tron
[20:03] <foobarry> don't think i will start now either
[20:24] <daftykins> foobarry: aww they have some beautiful imagery and impressive audio
[20:25] <daftykins> you don't go in for the plot :)
[20:25] <daftykins> (all that applies mostly to Tron: Legacy)
[20:25] <foobarry> and nokia product placement
[20:28] <foobarry> its blowing up a gale outside
[22:54] <Myrtti> Linux laptops: should you avoid buying Windows?
[22:54] <Myrtti> http://gu.com/p/3y7t2
[22:54] <Myrtti> found when browsing Guardian as I do
[22:56] <AlanBell> interesting article
[23:00] <AlanBell> I don't get how economists are not squirming at the lack of a functioning free market
[23:01] <AlanBell> the answer is "just shut up and buy Windows pre-installed"
[23:01] <penguin42> AlanBell: The problem is it's a matter of scale
[23:02] <AlanBell> which means the sales figures are distorted
[23:02] <AlanBell> it is a matter of monopoly
[23:02] <AlanBell> yes, the crapware offsets the license cost, I get that
[23:02] <penguin42> AlanBell: Until you can get thousands of people buying the Linux one there is little that can be done; you can buy laptops through the business arm of some of these companies without windows
[23:03] <AlanBell> yeah, I know all that, but this article is advising people to act contrary to free market principals
[23:03] <AlanBell> like all the others do
[23:04] <AlanBell> the next laptop or two that I buy are likely to be chromebooks
[23:04] <penguin42> problem is they have really bad specs
[23:05] <AlanBell> yeah, but they do what I want them to do, which is be a browser
[23:06] <AlanBell> extras for home so certain people leave me alone and don't try to turn *my* laptop into an Occado terminal
[23:08] <penguin42> haha yes that's probalby reasonable - although a tablet would probably do that
[23:08] <AlanBell> yeah, we have a tablet and it doesn't really
[23:08] <AlanBell> that is the music player for the kitchen, and I use it to check the hencam to see if I need to go outside and collect eggs :)
[23:09] <AlanBell> the screen on the nexus 7 (old style) isn't really big enough or high resolution enough for a big online shopping session
[23:10] <AlanBell> even with a bluetooth keyboard it isn't quite a laptop
[23:11] <AlanBell> https://plus.google.com/u/0/+AlanBell/posts/VLZvWBV5oX8 \o/
[23:23] <penguin42> AlanBell: But there are ~11" tablets with detachable keyboards now
[23:39] <AlanBell> there are, but I want a chromebook more than I want an android tablet
[23:43] <penguin42> have you noticed all the chromebook keyboards are lower case?
[23:53] <AlanBell> cool, no I hadn't
[23:59] <ali1234> AlanBell: economists don't read the guardian