[06:26] <Kilos> morning all
[09:24] <oupateddie> Good morning..... Anybody also struggling with the Thunderbord 24.2.0?
[09:24] <oupateddie> Thunderbird*
[09:24] <Kilos> hi oupateddie 
[09:26] <Kilos> i dont like thunderbird at all so i use evolution
[09:26] <Kilos> with pop settings so i only get new mails as they arrive
[09:27] <oupateddie> I suddenly after an update on this machine yesterday find that TB is like unstable. It starts scrolling and doesn't stop. All f'ed up
[09:27] <Kilos> eish
[09:28] <oupateddie> BTW the laptop is running again. I reinstalled 13.04 and it is back onlinbe with Libre Office
[09:28] <Kilos> i also use 12.04. its very stable in unity and kde
[09:28] <Kilos> well done
[09:29] <oupateddie> I do have an Idea that I'll have to do a clean install on this machine. It is showing signs of "fatigue"
[09:29] <Kilos> there is a clean up tool
[09:29] <oupateddie> 12.04 I mean as it is quite stable
[09:29] <Kilos> yeah 12.04 is very stable now
[09:30] <oupateddie> my problem is the xorg server as it is deurmekaar on this machine
[09:30] <oupateddie> clean up tool?
[09:30] <Kilos> lappy?
[09:30] <Kilos> lemme think a bit
[09:30] <oupateddie> This is also my "test machine" and whatever I want to try is on this machine so it might get a bit deurmekaar at one stagr
[09:31] <oupateddie> no PC it is a HP with an intel processor and video card
[09:31] <Kilos> have you installed the right nvidia driver
[09:31] <oupateddie> I want to move my work to a work only machine as the testing encrouches on the work side
[09:31] <Kilos> open dash and type additional
[09:33] <oupateddie> Let me put itthis way, I installed the HDD in this machine from another one which got struck by a power spike. Then I struggeld with the video output till I installed the intel drivers. But I think somewhere the drivers and patches got mixed up. 
[09:35] <oupateddie> yep I have the relevant drivers installed. 
[09:35] <Kilos> have you installed aptitude
[09:35] <oupateddie> I have another drive in the machine which I clean installed 12.04 and it is working perfectly. It is time to reformat the work disk...
[09:36] <oupateddie> on this machine no but I can
[09:36] <Kilos> computer-janitor
[09:36] <Kilos> use aptitude ya
[09:36] <Kilos> it tells you where probs are
[09:36] <Kilos> and mostly sorts them for you
[09:37] <oupateddie> I know about cvomputer janitor, but have not played with it yet
[09:37] <oupateddie> aptitude ot janitor
[09:37] <Kilos> there is another one but i cant think of the name atm
[09:37] <oupateddie> or*
[09:37] <Kilos> aptitude in place of apt-get
[09:38] <Kilos> then you use sudo aptitude reinstall package
[09:38] <oupateddie> I see janitor is loaded
[09:38] <Kilos> it tells you what is not needed anymore etc
[09:38] <oupateddie> just run aptitude as is
[09:39] <Kilos> also running sudo touch /forcefsck does a filesystem check on booting
[09:39] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install aptitude
[09:39] <oupateddie> busy with that yes
[09:40] <oupateddie> the files are OK, it is just a case of checking the sanity of all the files and if they are still required.
[09:40] <Kilos> you have different hardware on this pc you brought the drive to so might need to find what else is needed
[09:41] <Kilos> ya aptitude will remove unnecesary files
[09:41] <oupateddie> taht's it. And I'm not sure how to chck that
[09:41] <oupateddie> let me run it
[09:41] <oupateddie> just sudo aptitude?
[09:41] <Kilos> look at additional drivers again
[09:41] <Kilos> so 
[09:42] <Kilos> use aptitude in place of apt-get
[09:42] <Kilos> apt-get install --reinstall becomes aptitude reinstall
[09:43] <Kilos> think of some package to reinstall then use aptitude for it
[09:43] <oupateddie> yes  I have run it at tyhis stage as sudo aptitude and it is giving be an interesting summary
[09:43] <Kilos> yeah i love aptitude
[09:44] <oupateddie> no I have used aptitude instead of apt-get previously but never as I have now
[09:44] <Kilos> also aptitude upgrade does the kernel stuff as well where apt-get doesnt
[09:45] <oupateddie> It gives me obsolete packages (81) How do I get that sorted out? 
[09:45] <Kilos> it should give you the option
[09:46] <Kilos> f for fix or yes or so
[09:47] <oupateddie> It gives a menu at the top with options... sorry I'm stupid but what must I specify.. something like sudo aptitude --resolver?
[09:47] <Kilos> oh maybe sudo aptitude reinstall ubuntu-desktop will find what is needed in this pc that wasnt in the other one
[09:47] <Kilos> what options does it give
[09:47] <oupateddie> trying that now
[09:48] <Kilos> you not stupid you are learning
[09:48] <Kilos> stupid peeps dont use linux
[09:49] <oupateddie> did the reinstall but got this answer : ubuntu-desktop is not currently installed, so it will not be reinstalled.
[09:49] <Kilos> you on 12.04 unity hey?
[09:50] <oupateddie> yep and I found how aptitude is working, menu driven just select menu option at the top
[09:50] <Kilos> if so it must be installed
[09:51] <oupateddie> 12.04 2d unity
[09:51] <Kilos> sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[09:52] <Kilos> can take a while
[09:54] <oupateddie> busy installing
[09:57] <oupateddie> Desktop installed
[09:58] <Kilos> hi smile 
[09:58] <Kilos> did it install lots?
[09:58] <smile> hi Kilos  :)
[09:58] <Symmetria> ARGHHHH
[09:58] <oupateddie> no not a lot only three progs
[09:58] <Symmetria> I ran outta disk space again :(
[09:59] <Symmetria> and I can't add more :( 
[09:59] <Kilos> eish Symmetria and they are so big
[09:59] <Symmetria> kilos, lol, 3 servers
[09:59] <Kilos> whew
[09:59] <Symmetria> internal drive bays were full (6 x 3TB each)
[09:59] <Kilos> get a bigger server
[09:59] <Symmetria> so then I attached 4 x 4TB USB 3 disks to each of them as well
[09:59] <Kilos> wow 6 of them
[09:59] <Symmetria> so 34 TB each, x 3 
[10:00] <Symmetria> and they all full ;p
[10:00]  * Symmetria buys another server ;p
[10:00] <Kilos> wow with what
[10:00] <Kilos> oupateddie, do sudo apt-get update
[10:00] <Kilos> then sudo aptitude upgrade
[10:00] <oupateddie> let me guess... music 
[10:01] <Symmetria> kilos lol, tv episodes music and movies ;p
[10:01] <Kilos> lol
[10:01] <Kilos> delete/delete
[10:01] <Kilos> or delete after watching
[10:01] <Kilos> 34 TB is tons of drive space
[10:03] <Symmetria> lol, 34 x 3 ;p
[10:03] <Symmetria> so 102 TB ;p
[10:03] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:04] <Kilos> no man you collecting lotsa stuff youll never watch
[10:04] <Symmetria> haha I collect for the hell of it
[10:04] <Symmetria> ;p
[10:04] <Kilos> send some of that band width here
[10:23] <oupateddie> Kilos - check this out http://pastebin.com/t7JqdCk8
[10:23] <Kilos> ok
[10:23] <oupateddie> How do I get these either fixed or removed
[10:23] <Kilos> Spam Detection For Pastebin ID: t7JqdCk8
[10:24] <Kilos> use http://slexy.org
[10:25] <oupateddie> try again
[10:25] <oupateddie> fixed it
[10:25] <Kilos> i battle with pastebin. it takes forever to open here
[10:25] <oupateddie> hang on
[10:25] <Kilos> are you using xchat to get here?
[10:26] <oupateddie> http://slexy.org/view/s214U8He45
[10:26] <Kilos> sec
[10:27] <oupateddie> no chatzilla
[10:27] <Kilos> how many workspaces do you use?
[10:28] <oupateddie> at the moment just one but sometimes two
[10:28] <Kilos> haha i use 10
[10:28] <Kilos> xchat has its own space
[10:29] <oupateddie> chatzille is also on a separate space
[10:29] <oupateddie> so in fact two spaces at this stage
[10:30] <Kilos> http://askubuntu.com/questions/127326/how-to-fix-missing-gpg-keys
[10:31] <oupateddie> thanks will check
[10:31] <Kilos> yw
[10:32] <Kilos> those things are above my limited knowledge
[10:37] <Kilos> i dunno about the duplicate entry in /var/lib/apt/lists/ maybe you can delete the duplicate one
[10:37] <Kilos> theres lotsa stuff in there
[10:38] <Kilos> im just guessing now
[10:38] <Kilos> did you add another repo?
[10:46] <Kilos> i go move sheep to another camp quick
[10:46] <Kilos> wbb
[11:09] <Kilos> back
[11:13] <Kilos> oupateddie, you winning?
[11:14] <oupateddie> slowly... just had something to snack but slowly winning
[11:14] <Kilos> cool
[11:14] <oupateddie> I think I must go and inspect the insides of my eyelids soon
[11:15] <Kilos> lol
[11:17] <oupateddie> seems that there are duplicates sitting in the sources.list.d directory
[11:17] <oupateddie> and it is moaning about them
[11:18] <oupateddie> slowly removing the dupl's
[11:18] <Kilos> ah
[11:18] <Kilos> i wonder what caused that
[11:18] <Kilos> saterdays are bad days all the clever peeps are shopping
[11:20] <oupateddie> excessive playing around
[11:23] <Kilos> Symmetria, whats happening with the fast server
[11:35] <oupateddie> Right Kilos, got all the dup's sorted
[11:35] <Kilos> well done
[11:35] <oupateddie> but that was not what I wanted to ask about this morning, it was all about the thunderbird problem
[11:36] <Kilos> lol
[11:36] <oupateddie> I got that fixed now, but tb is still playing up...
[11:36] <Kilos> tonight the clever peeps will be here , maybe one of them has an idea
[11:37] <oupateddie> I'll not be here.... I'm going to a dance here in town so I'll be shaking, rattling and rolling
[11:37] <Kilos> what was the prob again?
[11:37] <Kilos> lekker
[11:37] <Kilos> maybe google has an answer for us
[11:38] <Kilos> is ysterfontein actually a town?
[11:38] <oupateddie> When it opens and you move your mouse over the list of mails it starts displaying funnies..
[11:38] <Kilos> not just 2 shops and a garage
[11:38] <Kilos> explain funnies
[11:39] <oupateddie> Yzerfontein is a 1 horse town and that horse has died... but it is summer holidays and the town is cooking
[11:39] <Kilos> have you got thunderbird with a ppa as well
[11:39] <oupateddie> Today is the snoek derby's first leg to be followed tomorrow
[11:39] <Kilos> aw i love smoked snoek
[11:40] <oupateddie> no tb is in main repo
[11:40] <Kilos> try sudo aptitude reinstall thunderbird
[11:40] <oupateddie> I triewd to soke snoek but I could not light it and it is not good for the lungs....
[11:40] <Kilos> lol
[11:41] <oupateddie> there's probably over 100 boats out to sea and they all return now for weighing in time
[11:41] <Kilos> wow
[11:41] <Kilos> you right near the beach
[11:41] <Kilos> lekker
[11:42] <charl> good morning
[11:43] <Kilos> hi charl 
[11:43] <charl> or good afternoon, i should say
[11:43] <charl> hi Kilos 
[11:43] <charl> hi oupateddie 
[11:43] <oupateddie> sitting behind my computer and looking out over the sea with Dassen Island to my left
[11:43] <oupateddie> hi charl
[11:43] <Kilos> help with thunderbird
[11:43] <Kilos> it shows funnies
[11:43] <Kilos> hehe
[11:44] <oupateddie> its like bad egss... no yokes...
[11:45] <Kilos> oupateddie, use evolution
[11:46] <Kilos> it can even make its own backups
[11:46] <oupateddie> eish all my emails are set up with tb and the add-ons etc...
[11:46] <oupateddie> this is just since the upgrade which was done yesterday
[11:47] <oupateddie> I suspect that an update will be forthcoming in a day or two for this new error
[11:47] <Kilos> ah maybe you can roll back to the older version
[11:47] <oupateddie> I hate older virgins.... lol
[11:47] <Kilos> charl, help man
[11:47] <oupateddie> it might however be a video driver that is playing up again
[11:48] <Kilos> try the additional drivers thing in the dash again lets see
[11:48] <oupateddie> something else which I had done yesterday was to swop monitors.. the other one was fading fast and I replaced it with this one. However it did not do this before the update
[11:50] <oupateddie> when I hover the mouse over an email and move the pointer to the next mail entry then it sort of copies the description to the lines following the emal... Nothing really happens but I cannot select an email.... a bit of a sh1t situation
[11:50] <charl> sorry just give me a few minutes
[11:50] <charl> just got up
[11:50] <oupateddie> wakey wakey
[11:50] <Kilos> hehe
[11:50] <Kilos> he is in europe
[11:51] <charl> not that it's an excuse, we are one hour behind you
[11:51] <charl> just making some coffee
[11:52] <Kilos> oupateddie, did you check additional drivers?
[11:53] <Kilos> lets make sure it aint nvidia
[11:53] <oupateddie> let me redo that quickly
[11:56] <charl> oupateddie: you hate older virgins?
[11:56] <charl> what's the problem though?
[11:57] <oupateddie> yep charl older virgins are bad for your health... lol
[11:57] <oupateddie> Kiols it is not nvidia..
[11:57] <oupateddie> Kilos
[11:57] <oupateddie> sorry I'm typing bad today
[11:57] <Kilos> lemme catch up quick
[11:58] <oupateddie> it is  a 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller   vendor: Intel Corporation
[11:58] <Kilos> did you reinstall thunderbird?
[11:58] <Kilos> ah
[11:58] <oupateddie> Yep and still doing the same 
[11:58] <Kilos> does additional drivers show anything
[11:59] <oupateddie> nothing I say, nothing
[11:59] <Kilos> ai!
[11:59] <Kilos> is that onboard graphics
[11:59] <oupateddie> yep
[12:00] <oupateddie> if it is a video problem then the other apllications will also be affected and it is only TB
[12:01] <charl> that can't be a video driver problem
[12:01] <charl> something is wrong with your desktop manager
[12:01] <charl> what exactly is the problem? can you make a screenshot?
[12:03] <oupateddie> nope. What is happening is that when I open TB and I point the mouse at an email and then moved the mouse in any direction it is as if the "active" line is then pulled to all the lines across whicht emouse is moved. That is just what it looks like but nothing happens to the actual mail. 
[12:04] <oupateddie> And this only started this morning after I had an upgrade last night
[12:06] <oupateddie> I am of the opinion that this is a graphics problem now. I shall have to update the xorg as this monitor seems to be the culprit..
[12:07] <oupateddie> just want to restart
[12:08] <charl> ah i se
[12:08] <charl> see
[12:08] <charl> interesting
[12:08] <charl> but if you have an intel on board chip then it shouldn't be an issue
[12:08] <charl> i use the same, it's very stable
[12:08] <charl> the open source drivers for intel i mean
[12:08] <charl> but you never know... i haven't run updates here for a week and i also don't use thunderbird
[12:16] <Kilos> oh my he crashed now
[12:17] <Kilos> or very slow reboot
[12:17] <Kilos> charl, he can use synaptic to reinstall everything to do with xorg and xserver methinks
[12:27] <charl> i guess you could try it
[12:27] <charl> but i don't know if that will fix the problem
[12:27] <charl> i have had some funny issues like that in the past myself
[12:27] <charl> but never with an intel graphics card
[12:27] <charl> always with some crappy nvidia or other setup
[12:31] <Kilos> who knows. we must just try everything till its fixed. he is quite new to buntu
[12:32] <Kilos> few months i think
[12:36] <charl> in worst case you can just reinstall
[12:37] <charl> but if you do an update again it will most likely go kaput yet again
[12:37] <charl> so there is no real point
[12:37] <charl> outside of simply not doing an update of certain packages
[12:37] <charl> perhaps keep back updates of the linux kernel
[12:37] <charl> not a good thing to do because then you also don't get security updates
[12:37] <charl> but if you have no other choice...
[12:37] <charl> otherwise consider moving to a different mail client but i also realise that it is not a very convenient option ...
[12:38] <charl> i am rather unhappy myself with the pushing of cutting edge kernels of ubuntu
[12:38] <charl> on the one side, you get the "latest and greatest" but kernals are tricky
[12:39] <charl> my mother has two computers who are using some old nvidia cards
[12:39] <charl> they both completely fail with the new ubuntu
[12:39] <charl> i got her to install arch and now she's up and running again without any problems
[12:39] <Symmetria> goddamn
[12:39] <charl> but arch is even more cutting edge than ubuntu
[12:40] <Symmetria> I just discovered that one of the guys I used to work with (who works for the csir/meraka/sanren), is a convicted murderer 
[12:40] <charl> lol
[12:40] <charl> well you never know the circumstances
[12:40] <charl> so be careful to judge
[12:40] <Symmetria> how the hell he is even outta jail is a bit of a mystery since he was sentenced in 2003 for slitting his wife's throat 
[12:40] <charl> brrrr ok
[12:40] <Symmetria> charl, he slit his wifes throat with a knife in the bathtub after he thought she was having an affair ;p
[12:41] <charl> phew !
[12:41] <charl> talking about jealousy
[12:41] <charl> some smart people are also insane
[12:41] <charl> take reiser for example
[12:41] <Symmetria> how the hell he is outta jail though I dont know
[12:41] <charl> brilliant guy that invented reiserfs and in the meantime he's an occultist
[12:41] <Symmetria> murderfs!
[12:42] <charl> nice bio
[12:42] <charl> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Reiser
[12:42] <charl> "Hans Thomas Reiser (born December 19, 1963) is an American computer programmer, entrepreneur, and convicted murderer."
[12:43] <charl> sounds awesome except for the last part :)
[12:44] <charl> " In 2004, he founded Namesys, a corporation meant to coordinate the development of both file systems. In April 2008, Reiser was convicted of the first degree murder of his wife, Nina Reiser, who disappeared in September 2006."
[12:44] <charl> lesson, don't marry a person working in ict
[14:18] <Kilos> oh charl i had an idea, he took that drive from another pc where he installed ubuntu
[14:19] <Kilos> maybe it installed something there while checking hardware and now hardware not the same
[14:20] <Kilos> i will ask him tomorrow if he gets up after tonights dance/party
[14:20] <Kilos> ohi superfly 
[14:25] <superfly> hi Kilos
[17:43] <Kilos> boom boom coming closer. power can go anytime
[18:11] <kbmonkey> halllo o/
[18:12] <charl> hi kbmonkey 
[18:13] <Kilos-> hi kbmonkey 
[18:13] <charl> yet another end-to-end encrypted chat client https://threema.ch/en/
[18:13] <Kilos-> big boom booms here now
[18:13] <charl> and yet again, fully proprietary
[18:13] <charl> and not standards-basede
[18:13] <charl> *based
[18:14] <kbmonkey> I was trying out a free secure message system recently.. what was it called...
[18:14] <charl> if people just bothered working together we would have had an awesome, fully interoperable standard already
[18:14] <kbmonkey> yup
[18:14] <charl> let me know kbmonkey, i am working on one myself
[18:14] <charl> if you can find the name
[18:15] <Kilos-> charl dont worry about whats already existing, take the lead and make a good one 
[18:16] <Kilos-> even open your own irc channel and go to other channels and ask those that are interested to join you
[18:17] <kbmonkey> it uses pgp, it was still in dev but worked pretty neat. Ill try find out.
[18:27] <kbmonkey> charl, hot sauces named mega byte and terra byte - http://imgur.com/64m6wDZ
[18:28] <charl> whahaha
[18:28] <charl> very good
[18:28] <charl> the one on the right looks like it might be herbanero sauce
[18:30] <charl> i am literally watching a nature program from the netherlands right now
[18:30] <charl> you would think it isn't possible but apparently it is
[18:30] <kbmonkey> no just garden chillies, old man made them
[18:30] <kbmonkey> streaming nature shows? nice!
[18:30] <charl> http://www.denieuwewildernis.nl/tv-serie/
[18:32] <charl> oh it's about this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oostvaardersplassen
[18:32] <kbmonkey> charl, I found it. https://bitmessage.org
[18:32] <kbmonkey> it is in python and on github
[18:33] <kbmonkey> beta but working
[18:33] <kbmonkey> oh wow that looks like a good place to watch a show on!
[18:34] <charl> i'm looking at the site now, it looks interesting
[18:35] <charl> i'm particularly interested in the protocol
[18:35] <charl> it claims to be peer to peer, which always worries me
[18:35] <charl> peer to peer is hard, and after quickly scanning the protocol document it isn't clear to me how that's implemented yet
[18:36] <kbmonkey> it uses a similar approach to tor, using your generated key.
[18:36] <kbmonkey> what is interesting is that keys are disposable. 
[18:36] <kbmonkey> just create a new one for each conversation, or keep one for longer.
[18:38] <charl> that's not that interesting, ssl/tls uses the same approach for each connection
[18:38] <charl> you do a connection handshake, and part of that handshake is negotiating a cipher and keys
[18:38] <charl> i'm looking at this post now: http://cryptojunky.com/blog/2013/03/09/setting-up-and-using-bitmessage-an-encrypted-communications-platform-based-on-bitcoin/
[18:39] <charl> "Each message requires a proof of work that is designed to take around four minutes."
[18:39] <charl> this makes it completely unsuitable for use as a replacement for instant messaging
[18:41] <kbmonkey> well let me know if you ever keen to try it out. I am always interested in encryption stuff :)
[18:41] <kbmonkey> keeping my eye on that project...
[18:41] <charl> thanks for the heads up, but it's not really what i'm looking for
[18:41] <kbmonkey> no problem
[18:41] <kbmonkey> off to make dinner now, a bit late but hey its weekend
[18:44] <superfly> kbmonkey: not Telegram?
[18:44] <superfly> oh, bitmessage
[18:44] <kbmonkey> yes, bitmessage was the one I tried
[18:45] <kbmonkey> have not looked at how many other ones are out there yet
[20:43] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight