[00:38] <ochosi> have any of you tried the xfce4-taskbar-plugin?
[00:38] <ochosi> i think so far it's not packaged, only in git.xfce.org
[00:38] <ochosi> but it doesn't look bad, i have to say
[00:39] <Unit193> Shot?
[00:39] <ochosi> well it looks the same as the windowlist plugin
[00:39] <ochosi> but you can pin apps to it
[00:39] <ochosi> so it behaves as launcher+windowlist
[00:39] <ochosi> like win7 or any dock
[00:39] <ochosi> could be a nice way of saving space in the panel
[00:40] <ochosi> or even of making the bottom panel more useful
[00:40] <Unit193> Uh oh, bad words, "dock" and "like win7"
[00:41] <ochosi> yeah, but it's practical
[00:41] <ochosi> and it'd be much better than the current bottom panel
[00:41] <ochosi> we'd have more space to use in the top panel
[00:41] <ochosi> default panel-setups are too political, i really don't like that
[00:42] <ochosi> (and very individual/subjective)
[00:44] <Unit193> "This plugin is now shipped with xfce4-panel >= 4.4.0." Hrm...  "Political" alrighty...
[00:44] <ochosi> yeah, the plugin actually needs a small makefile-fix to work with the current panel
[00:44] <ochosi> and probably more work on the theming side
[01:58] <jjfrv8> pleia2, thanks for replying to that guy's question on the ML
[02:10] <Noskcaj> Can someone look into improving and updating our wikipedia page? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xubuntu
[02:11] <knome> Noskcaj, it's a work item; feel free to take it
[02:11] <Noskcaj> it is?
[02:11] <knome> yes
[02:11] <pleia2> I'm still concerned about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest
[02:11] <pleia2> was going to find a wikipedia person to talk to, but I haven't yet
[02:12] <Noskcaj> And i can't, since all me emails got banned from wikipedia when people realised i had an actual account and changed other stuff
[02:12] <Noskcaj> *my
[02:12] <pleia2> tsk
[02:13] <knome> it would be best if somebody outside the team would do that, yes
[02:13] <Unit193> #wikimedia ?
[03:44] <bluesabre> ochosi: I hope you pushed that makefile fix to some easily accessible branch ;)
[07:07] <forestpiskie> ochosi: send me the unicorn with rainbows and I'll get little one to submit it :p
[08:51] <elfy> ochosi: so it occurred again - only thing terminal shows is "(process:11237): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_slice_set_config: assertion 'sys_page_size == 0' failed"
[08:51] <elfy> but there are a few lines of that - and I'm pretty positive it was prior to xchat going all 1990's on me :)
[08:56] <elfy> all I cam see in logs - is a bunch of Nouveau modelines in xorg log and resize called
[08:59] <elfy> not sure where <ochosi> ideally check the logs of xfsettingsd 
[09:00] <elfy> what I might do is install nvidia for it and see if it occurs in there
[09:10] <ochosi> elfy: hey there
[09:10] <ochosi> thanks for testing again
[09:11] <ochosi> elfy: re:log: you could try "tail -f ~/.cache/upstart/startxfce4.log" before you start xchat
[09:11] <ochosi> and then keep that terminal-window visible while you watch it break
[09:12] <ochosi> or just check that logfile for suspicious output
[09:19] <elfy> ahah
[09:20] <elfy> ochosi: http://pastebin.com/i7Wb2ckZ timestamp is about right for when I saw it :)
[09:20] <elfy> but I will do ^^ to verify 
[09:21] <ochosi> ok, that looks suspicious enough
[09:21] <elfy> :)
[09:21] <ochosi> no idea though what Crtc is yet
[09:21] <elfy> I'll verify it and then I'll install nvidia and do it all again 
[09:22] <ochosi> yeah, sounds like it's graphics related
[09:22] <ochosi> could you pls also paste a few more of the surrounding lines?
[09:22] <ochosi> especially before
[09:22] <elfy> ochosi: of course :)
[09:24] <elfy> http://pastebin.com/6FvmU3dJ
[09:25] <elfy> running that tail in terminal now 
[09:40] <ochosi> ok, thanks
[12:01] <brainwash> ochosi: "Log In" button again after hibernation, so lightdm reports a wrong status
[15:09] <elfy> ochosi: so it happened again - nothing reported in terminal but similar in startxfce4.log -> http://pastebin.com/EbuLEQwR
[15:50] <ochosi> brainwash: you could report a bug vs. lightdm
[15:51] <brainwash> ochosi: yes, I'll do that
[15:52] <brainwash> anyone else actually testing light-locker (trusty)?
[15:52] <ochosi> forestpiskie: so it happened with both nouveau and nvidia?
[16:02] <forestpiskie> ochosi - not actually installed nvidia yet - just wanted to get a verification that I got the same thing in the log before I did that
[16:02] <forestpiskie> bbl
[16:02] <ochosi> okeydokey
[16:16] <forestpiskie> ochosi: I've installed it now - but I'm away till later - not likely to get a chance to look till the morning. On another point - if you happen to see the -dev m/l there's a guy there with  ind-sound issues since trying the gtk3 stuff - if you get chance to see that and have an answer for him that would be great
[16:16] <forestpiskie> cya tomorrow
[16:17] <ochosi> k, seeya!
[17:28] <jjfrv8> bluesabre, is your server down for maintenance or do you know if there's a problem?
[17:55] <jjfrv8> bluesabre, whatever it was, it looks like it has been resolved :)
[18:28] <Noskcaj> Has anyone else had the latest kernal update make startup impossible?
[19:04] <brainwash> Noskcaj: trusty?
[19:04] <Noskcaj> brainwash, yeah
[19:04] <brainwash> my system seems to boot normally
[19:06] <brainwash> 3.12.0-7
[19:06] <Noskcaj> I swapped back to the -5 kernal and that fixed it. Hopefully and update will be enough
[19:07] <brainwash> you should bisect this issue :P
[20:14] <brainwash> ochosi: different setup (laptop, saucy, suspend) and the button is labeled "Log In" also
[20:16] <brainwash> but you cannot confirm this, right?
[20:35] <ochosi> brainwash: hibernate is disabled here
[20:35] <ochosi> so i've only tested with suspend, which works fine
[20:38] <brainwash> did I mention hibernate? :)
[20:38] <brainwash> it's a different setup
[20:39] <brainwash> so suspend/hibernate is affected
[21:03] <knome> so...
[21:03] <knome> when i disconnect today, it can take some while until i have a stable connection
[21:51] <brainwash> ochosi: according to my logs lightdm does not get asked by the greeter about logged in users when I suspend/hibernate the system
[21:52] <brainwash> so it will display the login button and the font of activate users will remain normal (instead of bold)
[21:55] <brainwash> ali1234: are you testing light-locker? if yes, does the greeter display the "Log In" or "Unlock" button after a suspend/hibernate?
[21:55] <ali1234> well i;m sort of testing it
[21:55] <ali1234> but i never lock my computer
[21:55] <ali1234> so i don't know
[21:57] <brainwash> mmh, we need more testers for the new stuff
[21:58] <brainwash> I'll try to add some more debug output to lightdm/gtk-greeter
[21:59] <brainwash> it works fine for ochosi, but it does not for me on two different systems (saucy/trusty, suspend/hibernate)
[23:19] <ochosi> brainwash: weird. i don't get why it would work for me but not for you
[23:19] <ochosi> but then again, audio-playback doesn't stop for me when i lock my session...