[00:00] <debfan_> i will be finally giving up on kubuntu today
[00:00] <debfan_> it's the only distro that my smartphone doesn't work on... i tried 13.04, 13.10 and 14
[00:01] <valorie> you are using KDEConnect, or trying to install on your phone, debfan_
[00:01] <valorie> ?
[00:01] <debfan_> i just want to access my files
[00:01] <valorie> ah
[00:01] <valorie> odd, I was able to do that with my androids
[00:01] <valorie> old phone and new one both
[00:01] <debfan_> i'll probably install mint
[00:01] <debfan_> mine isn't old
[00:02] <debfan_> it's an htc
[00:02] <valorie> as are/were mine
[00:02] <valorie> what difficulties did you encounter?
[00:02] <debfan_> various ones
[00:02] <debfan_> 1st, it doesn't detect it properly
[00:02] <valorie> I ran into that near the end of my old phone
[00:03] <debfan_> Open with File Manager is shown twice
[00:03] <valorie> it was on the phone end
[00:03] <debfan_> Android Phone:  The process for the mtp protocol died unexpectedly.
[00:03] <valorie> had to tell it "be a disk drive" twice or even three times
[00:03] <debfan_> then i eventually get that msg
[00:03] <valorie> oh, that sucks
[00:03] <valorie> I didn't try to use it as mtp
[00:03] <debfan_> when it does detect, i cannot open a file... for e.g., a picture on the phone... gwenview tries to load forever
[00:03] <valorie> just a plain USB
[00:04] <debfan_> can only use mtp now
[00:05] <valorie> yes, I get the "open with file manager" twice as well
[00:05] <valorie> but it works
[00:05] <valorie> just plugged in my shiny new htc one
[00:06] <valorie> pick a random song, click it, it starts up amarok
[00:08] <valorie> weird, amarok doesn't see the artist, just the song names
[00:08] <valorie> and you are right, it is seen as mtp
[00:10] <valorie> opens and plays in vlc though
[00:10] <valorie> fooey, the /media plugin doesn't see vlc, or I'd prove it
[00:12] <valorie> it finally showed up in amarok, but doesn't play
[00:13] <valorie> I'll ask about that in amarok, but it doesn't solve *your* problem
[00:19] <valorie> debfan_: more to the point, a random photo opens up in gwenview in a tick
[00:19] <valorie> very fast
[00:20] <valorie> debfan_: be sure to try a different cable before giving up
[00:20] <valorie> bad USB cables can give very weird results, and this has happened to me
[00:31] <zacarias> Hi. In Banshee and Rythmbox most of the icons (including those of the menus) show just an "x" instead of the actual item. It must be a "no-gnome" punishment. Do you know how to solve this?
[00:31] <zacarias> I meant "the actual icon"
[00:47] <valorie> zacarias: it sounds like you don't have the actual icon available
[00:47] <valorie> no punishment, but perhaps you removed a file too far?
[00:59] <uBUXUBu> is unity available in kubuntu?
[01:02] <valorie> you can install unity, but kubuntu is the KDE desktop, while unity is the Ubuntu desktop
[01:02] <zacarias> valorie: probably. But what icon package should it be?
[01:02] <valorie> zacarias: no idea
[01:02] <valorie> but really, you're not being punished
[01:03] <valorie> perhaps the banshee and rhythmbox chans could give you that info?
[01:03] <zacarias> valorie: ok, thanks. I'll try and see what happens
[01:03] <valorie> both apps are not really kubuntu applications
[01:03] <valorie> uBUXUBu: there are multiple desktops available - these are known as the 'flavors' of ubuntu
[01:06] <debfan_> how is it usb cables when I can boot up any of the my other operating systems and it works?
[01:07] <debfan_> nah, I wasted way too much time trying to get it to work
[01:07] <debfan_> I'll install something else
[01:07] <debfan_> I just thought maybe it's a bug ppl know about... oh well
[01:09] <valorie> debfan_: it was just a thought
[01:09] <valorie> what can I say; works for me
[01:11] <debfan_> ok, bye
[01:11] <debfan_> thanks for your input
[01:22] <uBUXUBu> is there a flavor for kubuntu called unity valorie ?
[01:24] <valorie> uBUXUBu: kubuntu itself is a flavor of ubuntu, so no
[01:24] <valorie> kubuntu is a desktop on top of a ubuntu base
[01:24] <valorie> unity is a desktop on top of the ubuntu base
[01:24] <valorie> xubuntu is an xfce desktop on an ubuntu base
[01:25] <valorie> etc.
[01:25] <valorie> most people choose because they like 1. the desktop and 2. most of the included applications
[01:26] <valorie> you can always add and subtract applicatons, to any of the desktop flavors
[01:26] <valorie> say you love amarok AND unity
[01:26] <valorie> that's fine; you can use both
[01:27] <valorie> unity is the default choice for ubuntu, as gnome used to be
[01:28] <valorie> also, we're all members of the same ubuntu community, and kubuntu also has their own kubuntu council, launchpad groups, lists, etc.
[01:28] <valorie> lots of choices for ubuntu community folks
[01:30] <uBUXUBu> can we install unity on kubuntu
[01:30] <uBUXUBu> i heard kubuntu is even easier than ubuntu but i like unity desktop
[01:31] <valorie> what I hear you saying is that you like unity the desktop and also like the kubuntu applications?
[01:31] <uBUXUBu> 10-4
[01:31] <valorie> I think the package you want is `unity-desktop'
[01:31] <valorie> sec and I'll check
[01:31] <valorie> !unity
[01:32] <valorie> pfff
[01:32] <valorie> !info unity-desktop
[01:32] <uBUXUBu> well i did notice for example the disk burner (k3b) is better than the default disk burner in ubuntu
[01:32] <valorie> uBUXUBu: I agree
[01:32] <uBUXUBu> thus i get the impression kubuntu may be easier to use all the way around and only needs uninty to be perfect
[01:33] <uBUXUBu> unity*
[01:33] <uBUXUBu> i like square icons with no words under them
[01:33] <valorie> ah, I don't like that at all
[01:33] <valorie> <3 KDE
[01:33] <uBUXUBu> why not
[01:34] <valorie> just taste, i suppose
[01:34] <valorie> i like the kubuntu way of working
[01:34] <valorie> so I prefer the desktop AND the apps
[01:34] <valorie> tastes differ
[01:34] <uBUXUBu> is kubuntu the old way where the black bar across the top has the drop down menus?
[01:35] <uBUXUBu> i recall trying the plasma desktop awhile back too
[01:35] <valorie> yes, that's the standard for KDE
[01:35] <uBUXUBu> plasma?
[01:35] <valorie> yes
[01:35] <valorie> but black bar across the top? I've never seen that
[01:35] <uBUXUBu> that one was kinda cool
[01:36] <valorie> !ubuntu-desktop
[01:36] <valorie> there you do
[01:36] <uBUXUBu> im very shallow and into looks...
[01:36] <valorie> either use muon or the cli to get ubuntu-desktop
[01:37] <uBUXUBu> ahh so then i can install kubuntu and get my unity
[01:37] <valorie> that's not shallow; we should all have tools which give us pleasure, I hope
[01:37] <valorie> uBUXUBu: what are you on now?
[01:37] <uBUXUBu> ubuntu 12.04
[01:37] <uBUXUBu> and w7 pro
[01:37] <uBUXUBu> and w7 home prem
[01:37] <uBUXUBu> and xp pro
[01:37] <uBUXUBu> and vista business
[01:38] <valorie> so why not just upgrade your ubuntu, and then add the kde apps you like?
[01:38] <valorie> that would be the least fuss
[01:38] <uBUXUBu> well i did add k3b
[01:38] <valorie> ok
[01:39] <valorie> all the applications are available to all ubuntu users, no matter what desktop they choose
[01:39] <uBUXUBu> i installed SL on mine
[01:39] <uBUXUBu> did you ever play that valorie?
[01:39] <valorie> if you want to try out the latest kubuntu-desktop, you can do that as well
[01:40] <valorie> nope, the only game I play is klondike
[01:40] <uBUXUBu> hmmm sounds like an ice cream deset i used to eat a few years ago
[01:40] <uBUXUBu> desert*
[01:40] <uBUXUBu> SL is an avatar game
[01:41] <valorie> heh, yes, there is an ice-cream bar with that name
[01:41] <valorie> it's just solitaire
[01:41] <uBUXUBu> SL is a virtual world
[01:41] <uBUXUBu> you become an avatar that you create
[01:41] <uBUXUBu> and then you go about your life as that avatar...
[01:42] <valorie> oh, second life
[01:42] <uBUXUBu> well...while you are in world that is
[01:42] <valorie> yes, I know some avid players
[01:42] <uBUXUBu> you know them in RL or just online?
[01:42] <valorie> is there a difference?
[01:43] <uBUXUBu> well only in as you can see their face
[01:43] <valorie> when I meet people face to face i've known online, there is little difference
[01:43] <uBUXUBu> i have never met anyone from online
[01:43] <valorie> I flew to Paris years ago to stay with one of my friends whom I only knew 'online'
[01:43] <valorie> but really, I see little difference
[01:44] <uBUXUBu> god too know
[01:44] <uBUXUBu> good*
[01:44] <valorie> I've met LOTS, over the years
[01:44] <uBUXUBu> sheesh
[01:44] <valorie> especially KDE and Kubuntu folks
[01:44] <mysteriousdarren> valorie: moral of the story you got taken to the cleaners.......and won't ever do that again?
[01:44] <mysteriousdarren> jk
[01:44] <valorie> great people, one and all
[01:44] <uBUXUBu> SL installs nicely in buntu
[01:44] <valorie> ha, my friend took me to his mom's house so I could do my wash
[01:44] <valorie> we couldn't find a cleaners
[01:44] <valorie> LOL
[01:45] <uBUXUBu> did you fall in love too valorie?
[01:45] <valorie> oh no, I was just visiting
[01:45] <valorie> I'm already married
[01:45]  * valorie is a grandma
[01:45] <uBUXUBu> yeah me too
[01:46] <uBUXUBu> well im not a grandma
[01:46] <valorie> I met my husband long before there was an internet
[01:46] <valorie> but I need to go and eat NOW
[01:46] <uBUXUBu> ok
[01:46] <valorie> nice talking with you
[01:46] <uBUXUBu> chew long and slow
[01:46] <valorie> have fun with your computer
[01:46] <uBUXUBu> cya
[01:46] <valorie> :-)
[01:46] <mysteriousdarren> back when people talked to each other not sit in a room alone and stare at a screen
[01:47] <uBUXUBu> is kubuntu as fast as ubuntu?
[01:47] <uBUXUBu> years ago i heard it was a bit slower
[01:48] <mysteriousdarren> it is slower....even slower than lubuntu
[01:48] <uBUXUBu> well almost everything is a bit slower than lubuntu
[01:50] <mysteriousdarren> Depends on what you like. Base install>lubuntu>everything else
[02:23] <uBUXUBu> wow i diditnhave to do all that sudo apt sheeaat
[02:23] <uBUXUBu> wireless mouse works
[07:13] <aromal> hi i have a asus P5G41T-MLX3 mother board for my pc - i am able to find audio mixer settings for 2.1 channel but not able to find or enable other channel settings? is there is way to enable other channels settings in mixer - Kmix is the default
[07:14] <aromal> where do i find channel seetings for other than 2.1 in kmix?
[07:16] <aromal> i mean like 6 channels settings i am using asus P5G41TMLX3 mother board for my pc
[07:17] <aromal> i have installed kubuntu 13.0 but can't find a mixer for 6 channels
[07:18] <aromal> is it normal or how to enable the settings?
[07:18] <aromal> please help..
[07:22] <valorie> aromal: you might try #kde-multimedia , but first: have you tried the pavucontrol widget?
[07:23] <valorie> or maybe it's called veromix
[07:36] <Ab3L> where do i set a static ip address for my wifi interface in kubuntu 13.10?
[07:38] <valorie> Ab3L: in the connection widget
[07:38] <valorie> looks very simple, but there is a wrench icon
[07:39] <valorie> in that dialog, choose the connection and set it up there
[07:40] <Ab3L> ok. than i click on a green disk and open a window with a list and choose the network and click on modify. right?
[07:41] <valorie> right
[07:41] <valorie> I've not used it a lot yet, but that seems right
[07:42] <valorie> there was a lot of discussion at first about the minimalist interface, but .... I like it, and it works for me
[07:51] <Ab3L> for me, it's because the router i've got is not mine. my isp lends me and i need so because my isp is also that one that give me a descent tv access. the problem is that this week they've given me a new router and it is impossible to do all setting as the old one.
[07:53] <Ab3L> and i didn't remember where to set a static ip. (a static ip can solve some problems in my home network, so that i don't have to set again and again nfs each time my isp make an update of the firmware)
[07:56] <valorie> Ab3L: did you find it in the widget dialogs?
[07:56] <Ab3L> i think so
[07:56] <Ab3L> but i'm not able to find out gateway number
[07:58] <valorie> !wireless
[07:58] <valorie> there is a lot of useful info in there, Ab3L
[07:58] <Ab3L> thank you, valorie
[07:59] <valorie> ubottu has a lot of useful info, and anybody can use the bot
[08:06] <Ab3L> valorie: gotcha! "Gateway address: 192.168.1.1 - this is usually your router's internal IP address. "
[08:06] <valorie> cool
[08:07] <Ab3L> now i think i've to restart the wifi card before change have effect, right?
[08:07] <Ab3L> ok
[08:07] <valorie> that I don't know
[08:08] <Ab3L> i think it is so, because i've always the old ip address.
[08:08] <valorie> it's more likely that you have to log out of KDE and back in
[08:08] <Ab3L> ok. goodbye
[08:08] <valorie> or just restart the computer
[08:08] <valorie> bye, and good luck
[08:19] <Ab3L> valorie: can you read me?
[08:19] <valorie> yup!
[08:19] <valorie> welcome back Ab3L
[08:19] <Ab3L> great! seems it works
[08:20] <Ab3L> thank you
[08:20] <valorie> you are so welcome
[08:26] <Ab3L> now i just need to find out some ip address of dns servers (8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 of google seem not work anymore, and those of my isp are too slow)
[08:26] <rufsketch1> !!nvidia
[08:27] <rufsketch1> What is the correct way to install the closed source nvidia drivers?
[08:28] <valorie> rufsketch1: ubottu just told ya
[08:28] <rufsketch1> valorie, okay cool. Just making sure
[08:28] <valorie> Ab3L: this might help: http://www.opennicproject.org/configure-your-dns/how-to-set-up-dns-servers-in-ubuntu-linux/
[08:29] <rufsketch1> valorie, well, except that the nvidia guide links to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[08:29] <valorie> although the actual actions aren't up-to-date or for kubuntu, but the main points should still be good
[08:29] <rufsketch1> which seems to reference ubuntu exclusive software
[08:29] <rufsketch1> I take it I should go with the command line instruction in that link?
[08:29] <valorie> !jockey
[08:30] <valorie> !info jockey-kde
[08:30] <valorie> pfff
[08:30] <rufsketch1> ah, I see
[08:30] <valorie> !info kde-jockey
[08:30] <valorie> hmmm
[08:30] <valorie> so ubottu is of two minds about jockey
[08:30] <valorie> afaik, it still works
[08:33] <rufsketch1> valorie, any clue as to which of these drivers was created after the valve optimizations?
[08:34] <rufsketch1> valorie, I'm given four options
[08:35] <valorie> hmmm, not
[08:35] <valorie> I mean no
[08:35] <valorie> I guess i would google a bit before choosing
[08:36] <rufsketch1> valorie, how unwise is it to use the very latest drivers provided by the nvidia website?
[08:38] <valorie> I've not heard of anything bad happening
[08:38] <valorie> I guess again, google will be your friend
[08:38] <valorie> I never mess with drivers anymore
[08:38] <valorie> but I'm not a gamer
[08:39] <rufsketch1> okay, thnx
[08:39] <Ab3L> valorie: thx again.
[08:40] <Ab3L> bye. (going for gym now)
[08:40] <valorie> bye!
[08:40] <valorie> nice to meetcha
[10:19] <posthuman> hi ... im running kubuntu 12.04 ... where can i find options to configure ipsec (client) ?
[11:32] <xtriz> what's the real difference between kubuntu 12.04 and 13.10 ?
[11:34] <xtriz> the difference i know is about 12.04 uses older kernel with respect to 13.10
[11:34] <xtriz> other than that ?
[12:14] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[13:08] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[14:57] <xtriz> what's the real difference between kubuntu 12.04 and 13.10 ?
[14:57] <xtriz> pls someone reply :/
[14:59] <chozabu> 13.10 has newer versions of everything
[14:59] <BluesKaj> xtriz: 13.10 has upgraded packages andis not a LTS , whereas 12.04 is LTS, any more detail required is available in release notes on the web
[14:59] <chozabu> more details here http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-13.10
[15:00] <BluesKaj> !LTS | xtriz
[15:00] <xtriz> chozabu, BluesKaj ok :)
[15:01] <chozabu> so, if you want a stable OS for 5 years, perhaps 12.04, if you want new stuff, perhaps 13.10
[15:02] <BluesKaj> 5 yrs for the server , not the desktop
[15:03] <BluesKaj> 3 yrs for the desktop
[15:05] <xtriz> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/lts-update-12043-released
[15:05] <xtriz> no information is given here
[15:05] <xtriz> how can i find which version of kde it has ?
[15:16] <BluesKaj> xtriz:  open dolphin, choose help>about kde
[15:16] <xtriz> BluesKaj, i am not using kubuntu server, than how can i know ?
[15:18] <BluesKaj> xtriz: in the terminal , lsb_release -a
[15:25] <Whiskey`Wonka> anyone know the diff between lsb-release and lsb-core ?
[16:18] <Zensursula> #libreoffice
[16:33] <posthuman> hey guys ... i have a problem connecting my ubuntu machine via ipsec/l2tpd  to my server  ... my mobile device works just perfect so i cant really figure out whats wrong
[16:33] <posthuman> ins syslog it says sent [LCP TermReq id=0x3 "peer refused to authenticate"]
[16:45] <k0s> Привет хацкеры
[17:38] <bjrohan> Hey everyone. On my wife's laptop, I recenly upgraded from 13.04 to 13.10. This resulted in her login losing her desktop wallpaper, and widgets, my login remained intact. In her account if I go into her .kde directory, I can find the wallpaper image she "lost" leading me to believe everything else is there, I just need to change a config file to get it back, any suggestions?
[19:17] <bjrohan> Hey everyone. On my wife's laptop, I recenly upgraded from 13.04 to 13.10. This resulted in her login losing her desktop wallpaper, and widgets, my login remained intact. In her account if I go into her .kde directory, I can find the wallpaper image she "lost" leading me to believe everything else is there, I just need to change a config file to get it back, any suggestions?
[19:39] <BadDesign> Does anyone know if there is some bug in Kubuntu 13.10 x86_64 related to NOT being able to read data CDs/DVDs ?
[20:25] <soee> bjrohan: this is not a good suggestion but after upgrades i sometimes eprerience some problems, than i just have to reset my account settings and set it up again to make it work as it should
[20:28] <bjrohan> Yeah, I had figured.  One not so big issue was that she had a note widget with notes in it, which I can't find where the notes were stored, to be able to put those back. Any ideas there either? It is the Desktop Sticky Notes widget
[21:48] <pdobrogost> Hi! How can I make shortuct to shell script on desktop?
[23:09] <vbgunz_> can someone tell me, how I can find out what my audio hardware is so I can try downloading drivers for it?
[23:28] <vbgunz_> my microphone is killing me. It works perfectly flawless in Windows 7 on this box, yet on this box, Kubuntu, Debian, Fedora all have this crackling sound it likes to add to the microphone. wtf. Why is Linux getting it so wrong?
[23:29] <vbgunz_> I've played with all types of audio settings and I'm just not solving this problem that seems shouldn't exist in 2000
[23:30] <vbgunz_> in alsamixer, if I unmute the mic so I can hear it immediately, it sounds super perfect. If I use a program like Audacity or Mumble or Google Talk, the static popping sound can be heard
[23:30] <vbgunz_> it's been driving me up the wall for a while
[23:31] <vbgunz_> I've found this online and added it to my alsa-base.conf "options snd-hda-intel position_fix=2 bdl_pos_adj=-1"  and although it got rid of the the static popping, it introduced audio both input and output to chop itself off every other 1/10 second
[23:33] <dolomite> is this onboard sound or an add-on card?
[23:33] <vbgunz_> onboard
[23:33] <dolomite> do you know your system specs? i.e. what card it is?
[23:33] <dolomite> realtek?
[23:34] <vbgunz_> dolomite: I asked earlier how I can find that out, was seriously convinced I would need to download drivers
[23:34] <vbgunz_> I mean audio in every other respect on the system, music, movies, games, etc, everything works and sounds great BUT the microphone... it has this static that just shouldn't exists
[23:35] <dolomite> and you've completely ruled out the possibility of the mic itself being faulty?
[23:35] <vbgunz_> what kills me is if in alsamixer, I unmute the mic, the immediate loopback is flawless BUT recording audio in any application causes static
[23:35] <dolomite> "sudo lshw" should point you to the details of the onboard sound
[23:36] <dolomite> although i suspect you will have little to no luck finding a driver solution
[23:36] <vbgunz_> dolomite: I am pretty convinced the mic is not broken
[23:36] <dolomite> if you run that command and at least find out what your hardware is, you can do a more detailed search on the web
[23:37] <vbgunz_> ok
[23:37] <dolomite> if it's not the microphone, someone else has probably had the same issue
[23:37] <vbgunz_> that list is long
[23:37] <vbgunz_> I'm going over it
[23:38] <dolomite> "sudo aplay -l" might be more precise
[23:38] <vbgunz_> description: Audio device
[23:39] <vbgunz_> hmm. I'm thinking I have a clue all of a sudden.
[23:39] <vbgunz_> I want to try something, I need to reboot, I will let you know what happens
[23:39] <dolomite> ok
[23:44] <vbgunz> I thought it was the HDMI cable. I thought sound drivers were loading up for it and probably interfering with the onboard drivers... I removed the HDMI and rebooted but the audio issue is still there
[23:44] <vbgunz> sucks to no end
[23:45] <vbgunz> aplay -l, shows 6 entries on I am guessing two cards
[23:46] <vbgunz> 1 I would suspect is onboard and the other is the nvidia card
[23:59] <dolomite> nvidia gfx card with hdmi vbgunz ?