[00:00] <AlanBell> ali1234: true enough :)
[00:00] <ali1234> also i found this the other day http://www.talkandroid.com/147462-new-aluminum-bluetooth-keyboard-for-nexus-7-looks-great-lasts-long-and-costs-little-video/
[00:00] <ali1234> it's a keyboard for nexus 7 that is also a dock, basically
[00:01] <AlanBell> I have that
[00:01] <ali1234> yeah? is it good?
[00:01] <ali1234> i have a bt keyboard but it's annoying to use because you have two separate things
[00:01] <AlanBell> it is pretty good, a little bit small for my hands and you need to put it on a surface, it isn't weighted right for holding
[00:02] <AlanBell> I like the way it snaps on as a cover and looks like it belongs, the dots match the other side
[00:03] <AlanBell> you still have to use the touchscreen for mouse operations (or get a bt mouse)
[00:03] <ali1234> android is no good with mouse anyway
[00:20] <Monotoko> don't suppose anyone knows how I can get the valid BIOS password when it's been forgotten by a previous owner?
[00:20] <Monotoko> I'm stuck on Windows 8 :(
[00:22] <penguin42> laptop?
[00:23] <Monotoko> aye, pain in the ass...
[00:23] <Monotoko> it's an Acer Aspire V5
[00:24] <Monotoko> the only place I've found to do it is a dodgy site that requests $35 upfront through PayPal... I have an system code, and now it's requesting a "key/password" but I don't know the key or the password
[00:25] <penguin42> yeh I suspect there might be some form of master password - but fundamentally the bios password is to stop people screwing with machines
[00:26] <Monotoko> Yeah I know - I bought it from a pawn store on the cheap - I inspected it beforehand but didn't think to check for a BIOS password.
[00:27] <Monotoko> I've already tried with them but they need me to go back to the south (which is a good 300 miles away now)
[00:30] <Monotoko> I'm guessing taking the CMOS battery out will work if I can get to it?
[00:32] <penguin42> maybe, but it might be in flash
[00:33] <Monotoko> D:
[00:33] <Monotoko> Acer UK are closed until Monday... and Acer US won't speak to me at all, even though it's a universal problem -.-
[00:34] <Monotoko> although I doubt they'll give me the code
[00:39] <penguin42> do you have proof of purchase?
[00:39] <Monotoko> I have proof of purchase from the pawn shop, not from them
[00:41] <penguin42> better than nothing
[00:42] <Monotoko> "Windows blocked installation of an unsigned driver" - thanks Windows, real helpful
[00:45] <Monotoko> hm, got a password that may work...
[01:05] <daftykins> monoAcer support will have a backdoor for you for free
[01:06] <daftykins> oops
[01:06] <daftykins> didn' see the quit
[02:29] <ali1234> can anyone direct me to the source of this custom steam compositor based on xcompmgr?
[02:29] <ali1234> i would be very interested to know what they changed
[02:29] <ali1234> specifically if they are using opengl or xrender (xcompmgr only does xrender)
[02:30] <ali1234> i have always found xrender to be significantly faster and smoother on nvidia hardware
[02:30] <daftykins> perhaps being pal'y with nvidia gave them some edge
[02:30] <ali1234> i found it. let's have a look
[02:32] <ali1234> yeah, they've gone to opengl
[02:33] <ali1234> so next thing is to benchmark it against compton i guess :)
[03:48] <denny-> http://askubuntu.com/questions/364445/disable-the-new-keyboard-applet-in-ubuntu-13-10 ... I don't have the  “Show Current Input Source in Menu Bar” option on that dialog.  Help?  :)
[04:17] <ali1234> has anyone bought a zoostorm PC from ebuyer? do they come with proper install media or do they have some weird recovery partition?
[05:06] <ali1234> comments? http://www.ebuyer.com/lists/list/279043
[07:23] <foobarry> "vishing" what a hideous word
[07:23] <foobarry> although jeggings is worse
[08:06] <knightwi1e> morning everyone
[08:19] <knightwise> morning everyone
[09:44] <popey> Good morning.
[09:46] <popey> ali1234: does that cpu come with a heatsink/fan?
[09:46] <popey> and what will you do for gpu?
[09:47] <popey> ali1234: scrolling back i see your q. I have a zoostorm pc i bought from ebuyer, and I dont think it came with any media
[09:51] <popey> http://imgur.com/a/LpuE8
[10:21] <popey> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxcY3aLPzn8
[10:38] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:43] <popey> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6908321 getting odd deja vu reading the first comment. can hear ali1234 in my head telling me about the game
[10:49] <SuperMatt> morning all
[10:51] <brobostigon> morning popey and SuperMatt
[10:54] <daubers> 2Morning
[12:34] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[12:35] <penguin42> Hi BC
[12:39] <brobostigon> afternoodlings bigcalm
[12:40] <nuern> ubuntu-pl
[12:43] <nuern> anyone knoe how to run starcraft 2 with optimus technology laptop ?
[12:45] <bigcalm> Oh, we've passed noon?
[12:45] <penguin42> noon is quite a flexible concept at weekends
[12:46] <gordonjcp> time is an illusion
[12:46] <gordonjcp> lunchtime doubly so
[12:47] <penguin42> nod
[12:48] <brobostigon> HHGTTG :)
[12:50] <gordonjcp> :-)
[13:07] <nuern> Anyone knoes how to run Starcraft2 on linux ?
[14:07] <nuern>  anyone could help runing starcraft2 on wine on laptop with optimus technology bumblebee instaled and apears to be working unable to run starcraft2 with optirun
[14:11] <penguin42> probably no point in reasking if there has been no other activity!
[14:17] <nuern> can anyone help me with runing starcraft2 on optimus technology laptop bumblebee installed and working unable to run starcraft2
[14:26] <Myrtti> you're not very attentive
[14:42] <SuperEngineer> nuern: tried on #ubuntu-steam?
[14:42] <nuern> no i will try thx
[15:05] <foobarry> are b&w photos best printed as matt or gloss?
[15:10] <SuperEngineer> portraits on matt, landscapes on gloss - those inbetwwen have to be personal choice
[15:10] <SuperEngineer> [though tony whitmore may have differing  views]  ;)
[15:12] <SuperEngineer> ...my monitor is matt btw - all my photos look superb on it - tho I may be biased in that particular opinion :0
[16:00] <Mark_de_J> Hello.
[16:00] <Mark_de_J> Any operator on/
[16:01] <Mark_de_J> !ops
[16:01] <Mark_de_J> I want a unban from other chats!
[16:01] <Myrtti> and this isn't the way of doing it
[16:01] <Mark_de_J> Myrtii?
[16:01] <Mark_de_J> Know, but banned from ops channel.
[16:02] <Myrtti> then why didn't you pm the people there, or me, instead of misbehaving on this channel?
[16:02] <Azelphur> Mark_de_J: clearly you don't understand how IRC works. Ops here have no control over other channels, and mass highlighting the ops is not a way to get an unban from anywhere.
[16:02] <Myrtti> on the contrary, they're more prone to keep you banned and ban you on more channels
[16:02] <Mark_de_J> I want a unban
[16:03] <Mark_de_J> Learned my lesson.
[16:04] <foobarry> anyone used foto.com? seem rather cheap
[16:04] <DJones> Mark_de_J: This channel can't deal with bans in other channels
[16:04] <Azelphur> Myrtti: lol now he's pming me
[16:05] <Azelphur> !private | Mark_de_J
[16:05] <AlanBell> some people don't know when to stop digging
[16:05] <Azelphur> also he clearly didn't listen to the whole "Nobody here has any power to do what you want" thing.
[16:06] <Mark_de_J> Who becomes person 4..?
[16:06] <DJones> Enough of that
[16:06] <Myrtti> Azelphur: well, there you've got it wrong
[16:06] <Myrtti> I *do* have the power
[16:06] <Myrtti> :-P
[16:06] <Azelphur> true :P
[16:11] <Azelphur> Is there any easy way to install the experimental version of a package, or do I have to use pinning?
[16:12] <penguin42> Azelphur: wget it and dpkg -i
[16:12] <Azelphur> perhaps, but that does cause dependency issues
[16:12] <penguin42> yes
[16:12] <penguin42> Azelphur: Are the dependencies real or would it actually work with older libs?
[16:12] <Azelphur> I'm sure I remember seeing something akin to apt-get install package/unstable or something
[16:13] <Azelphur> penguin42: it'd probably work with dpkg, was just wondering about ^
[16:13] <Azelphur> Maybe I'll just pin it anyway, I always want the bleeding edge version of deluge anyway.
[16:13]  * penguin42 never really got on with pinning
[16:49] <Azelphur> I like how the pinning guide is ultra wrong on the ubuntu community
[16:49] <Azelphur> \o/
[16:52] <foobarry> are u fixing it?
[16:52] <Azelphur> the problem with that plan is I was reading the documentation because I wanted to learn pinning
[16:55] <AlanBell> pinning is for keeping old things mostly isn't it?
[16:56] <AlanBell> not for getting the new hotness
[16:57] <Azelphur> seems to be both
[17:00] <directhex> pinning is for forcing the apt resolver to behave in a non-default manner
[17:00] <directhex> the specifics of that are up to the user's config file
[17:01] <directhex> the default is to always use the latest version of a package which is available, unless it's from a repo called "experimental"
[17:01] <Azelphur> directhex: well, I need to pull from rc-buggy
[17:01] <Azelphur> because, stable is buggy...amusingly
[17:01] <directhex> you can use pinning to, for example, run a debian testing system and use debian testing packages by default, but also have (newer) unstable packages defined in sources.list and available wih apt-get -t unstable install foo or apt-get install foo=1.0
[17:02] <directhex> and you can work on several basis - per package, per codename, per repo, etc
[17:02] <Azelphur> that's pretty much what I wanna do, I have debian jessie, and need to pull deluge from rc-buggy
[17:02] <Azelphur> because, the current version is broken
[17:03] <penguin42> AlanBell: Well it depends on your definition of old and hot; I think the way Azelphur wants to use it is to add the experimental repo but then to set the pinning to keep all the normal repo as 'old'
[17:03] <Azelphur> all I want is an updated deluge, since stable version is broken
[17:03] <penguin42> Azelphur: Sometimes the easiest thing is just to pull the source of the new version and rebuild
[17:03] <Azelphur> yea, I was thinking I might do that
[17:05] <foobarry> it seems to be non-trivial to find out how much money yuo've paid into an ISA this year, if at all
[17:05] <penguin42> foobarry: Indeed, it depends on the company you use - they'll normally tell you if asked, and on some of the stocks and shares ones it can get a bit complicated
[17:06] <foobarry> halifax didn't give my wife an online account with her
[17:06] <foobarry> so it's more confusing
[17:06] <foobarry> i'd have to find the certificate
[17:07] <foobarry> but even my online account doesn't show much
[17:10] <foobarry> i seem to have a halifax ISA at 4.25%
[17:14] <penguin42> quite old or 5 yr?
[17:15] <penguin42> oh maybe not, looks like they were doing that in 2012
[17:17] <foobarry> i can't top it up but might be able to transfer
[17:17] <foobarry> not sure if i can transfer ISA > once a year tho
[17:18] <foobarry> nationwide have moved the goalposts again
[17:19] <foobarry> seem to be getting zero %
[17:19] <foobarry> its a swindle
[17:19] <foobarry> they know people don't have time to check all their sneaky stuff
[17:20] <penguin42> foobarry: If you try to move a fixed rate there'll probably be a penalty
[17:20] <foobarry> i'm moving into a fixed rate
[17:21] <foobarry> not sure if its allowed to transfer the whole ISA stash into it though
[17:21] <penguin42> oh the rules for that stuff vary from each one
[17:21] <penguin42> some don't allow transfer in
[17:22] <foobarry> Please note that you cannot transfer funds into a fixed term ISA that is more than 60 days old (but you must give us sufficient notice in order to process your request). Do not complete this form if your fixed term ISA is more than 40 days old as your request may not be processed in time.
[17:22] <foobarry> YOU SUCK
[17:22] <foobarry> thieves
[17:26] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/56iw7ahmc0j4aar/IMG_20131215_172358.jpg
[17:26] <daftykins> kitty investigates shelves
[17:26] <Azelphur> daftykins: kitty \o/
[17:26] <Azelphur> I have a seagull doing a dance in my dropbox.
[17:26] <daftykins> XD
[17:29] <Azelphur> Speaker warning, loud wind so mute your stuff, but https://www.dropbox.com/s/tc3cu1fah4dc48t/2013-11-19%2011.33.01.mp4?m= :)
[17:29] <Azelphur> that seagul = pro dancer
[17:32] <foobarry> think i'll give up of quidco
[17:32] <foobarry> nothing ever works
[17:32] <Azelphur> foobarry: I've had success with quidco o.O
[17:32] <foobarry> keep having to raise claims
[17:32] <foobarry> such a faff
[17:33] <Azelphur> I did have to raise a claim
[17:33] <foobarry> i appear to have been tracked twice for my energy :S
[17:34] <foobarry> i have a web browser with no ad browser, clear of cookies etc, and still have issues with the vendor
[17:34] <popey> Today is a hassleback potatoes kind of day
[17:35] <foobarry> they did an offer when u join u get £5
[17:35] <foobarry> wifey bought something, didn't get the five quid
[17:35] <foobarry> basically bought something she wasn't going to buy anyway
[17:35] <foobarry> and wasted £10
[17:36] <penguin42> popey: Today, as most sundays, is an apple crumble day
[17:39] <foobarry> also tried setting up a bank account for the kids, and i have to arrange an appt for 1 hr
[17:39] <foobarry> i have 2 kids. i do not have 1 hr free in the whole week. any week.
[17:39] <daftykins> Azelphur: y u record portrait :'(
[17:39] <Azelphur> I know, I'm bad.
[17:44] <foobarry> ouch , credit card last month was 1800.00
[17:44] <popey> yowzer
[17:45]  * popey has no credit card
[17:45] <daftykins> ^ me neither
[17:45]  * penguin42 thinks at this rate we'll have foobarry's inside leg measurement, date of birth, mothers maden name and full address
[17:45] <popey> here I am in the kitchen making dinner, kids in the lounge watching disney, wifey in the playroom watching xfactor or some other bollocks
[17:45]  * penguin42 has - paid off each month, just much easier/safer for buying on line
[17:45]  * popey has radio 4 on ☻
[17:46] <daftykins> must be tough being a woman and having to keep up with such tripe on TV
[17:46] <foobarry> penguin42: i pay off every month
[17:46] <foobarry> this was credit card spend in 1 month :(
[17:46] <daftykins> i suppose there might be benefits to be had from abstracting a debit card, be a bit annoying if you had to cancel your debit card if it got nabbed online
[17:46] <foobarry> some of it was the car service
[17:47] <daftykins> but then surely most people have at least 2 accounts for a backup
[17:47] <daftykins> sometimes when i've been off travelling, i've come back and the cards stopped working in a coffee shop e.g. in London airports X|
[17:47] <daftykins> so then i whip out my old Uni time one :D
[17:47] <foobarry> penguin42: yeah, wifey is out and baby just gone to sleep for a bit, so trying to get my finances sorted for 1st time in a year. getting a few shocks
[17:47] <daftykins> (Channel Islands students have to really create a mainland account since they can't do anything with offshore ones)
[17:48]  * foobarry doesn't have any of those bitcoiny things though
[17:48] <penguin42> daftykins: And they can empty your current account if they have your debit card
[17:49] <daftykins> *nod*
[17:49] <foobarry> did u read about google getting more interested in ARM?
[17:49] <foobarry> maybe making own chips?
[17:50] <penguin42> foobarry: There was also story of them getting interested in the Power CPU as well - so it does look like they're after doing something, but not clear which direction
[17:50] <penguin42> foobarry: However the news they've just bought Boston Dynamics is much more entertaining
[17:51] <foobarry> yeah, google with crazy robots? bad idea
[17:51] <foobarry> ED209
[17:52] <penguin42> Androids running Android ?
[17:59] <directhex> so just keep running away from them until the data connection breaks or memory leaks or force closes
[18:00] <daftykins> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/precise/release/
[18:00] <daftykins> 'mac' got added to the name of 64-bit desktop versions? 0o
[18:03] <foobarry> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/nanny-have-we-been-bad-milton-keynes-winter-wonderland-closes-after-upsetting-scores-of-children-9006208.html
[18:03] <foobarry> lol
[18:03] <AlanBell> heh, don't we have a crap winter wonderland that gets closed every year with kids crying etc?
[18:04] <daftykins> that sounds nasty
[18:05] <daftykins> perhaps the 'wonder' part is wondering how it gets tried every year? ;)
[18:13] <daftykins> bleh wordpress 3.8 ready to go on i see
[18:37] <Azelphur> ffs, I hate three. Their layer 7 tethering detection is a pile of crap
[18:37] <Azelphur> every time I do a search in PVSTAR+ it triggers their tethering detection.
[18:48] <daftykins> =/
[19:23] <popey> daftykins: no, there's amd64 and amd64+mac isos
[19:23] <popey> (well, there should be) :D
[19:23] <daftykins> *nod* i don't know why i didn't trust my instincts to start :)
[19:24] <popey> heh
[19:24] <daftykins> there seems to be different success visiting cdimage. vs. releases.
[19:24] <daftykins> and again just going through ubuntu.com
[19:24] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/5uhwb8a54szax3r/IMG_20131215_192051.jpg
[19:24] <daftykins> tonights foreign chocolate bar :O
[19:32] <penguin42> daftykins: Bought locally? Some of the polish chocolate in tesco is quite nice
[19:33] <daftykins> yeah just in a local co-op
[19:33] <daftykins> just devoured that one - very impressed :D
[20:07] <penguin42> daftykins: The Wedel slabs of dark chocolate are quite nice (blue packs with curly white writing of E. Wedel)
[20:08] <daftykins> that one you've seen in Tesco?
[20:09] <penguin42> nod
[20:09] <daftykins> ah we don't have them here :(
[20:09] <daftykins> although one sort of bulk-buy type place seems to offer some of their lines
[20:11] <penguin42> the Tesco Metro in Manchester city centre has them in their Polish section
[20:12] <penguin42> and I think the full size Tesco has them near me as well
[20:13] <daftykins> wow dedicated Polish section - impressive
[20:14] <daftykins> we're starting to get supermarkets managed by the local immigrant nationalities now
[20:15] <penguin42> well in the T.Metro it's one unit of shelves wide - I dunno 5ft across; they have quite a few sections like that
[20:16] <penguin42> yeh there is a Polish deli near me - quite a selection of stuff
[20:16] <daftykins> :)
[20:56] <directhex> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogecoin
[20:56] <directhex> Azelphur, I HAVE SEEN THE FUTURE!
[20:59] <directhex> already 19th biggest cryptocurrency since its creation 9 days ago
[21:08] <MartijnVdS> Such money!
[21:09] <Myrtti> today's philosophical cooking question: if steak and ale go together nicely, would the same recipe be viable if beef would be replaced with pork and ale with apple cider?
[21:09] <Myrtti> I might need to do some research on this
[21:10] <MartijnVdS> sounds like a great research topic :)
[21:11] <daftykins> i'll volunteer for testing
[21:11] <daftykins> all in the name of science, you understand
[21:11] <MartijnVdS> Such money! Very science! Wow!
[21:23] <Azelphur> oh god, dogecoin has invaded here too
[21:23] <Azelphur> it's everywhere >.<
[21:24] <MartijnVdS> The fact that every block in the chain "signs" the previous ones, you could call all these systems "Yo, dawg"-coin
[21:24] <Azelphur> lol
[21:25] <MartijnVdS> Woo, check my G+ -- photos from yesterday's concert
[21:33] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: I like your pictures from the museum - heck and I just noticed it was a Nexus5 not a 'camera' as such
[21:34] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: the "photo sphere" thing is *cool* :)
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[21:48] <Myrtti> oof https://twitter.com/ploughpub
[21:52] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: I wonder how many <sarcasm>-like tags are missing htere
[22:12] <popey> oops https://twitter.com/ploughpub
[22:16] <TwistedLucidity> popey: Viral anti-marketing? Is that now a thing?
[22:17] <popey> i think they happened to have fired the guy who has the twitter credentials
[22:17] <TwistedLucidity> Oh dear, that could land him in trouble.
[22:18] <TwistedLucidity> Good luck, and goodnight
[22:20] <Myrtti> popey: old
[22:48] <popey> oh
[22:49] <MartijnVdS> \o
[23:11] <popey> yo
[23:11] <popey> good day out in london?
[23:16] <daftykins> amazing how many of these social networking blunders are cropping up
[23:16] <daftykins> is it so tough to make a password for a service and hold onto it / change it? XD
[23:19] <popey> https://scontent-a-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1486685_691233830911117_59500816_n.jpg
[23:19] <popey> nice
[23:22] <daftykins> hah
[23:22] <AlanBell> distributing on an EXT3 hard drive
[23:22] <daftykins> Wile E Coyote's fave
[23:32] <popey> http://www.twitch.tv/popeydc
[23:32] <popey> does that work for anyone else?
[23:33] <daftykins> it states you're offline
[23:33] <popey> hmm
[23:33] <popey> wonder why
[23:34] <daftykins> got a client claiming it's uploading the feed?
[23:35] <popey> ah works now
[23:36] <daftykins> ah-har
[23:38] <daftykins> you murderer :(