[05:57] <Kilos> hi superfly and others
[06:05] <kbmonkey> hello hello
[06:06] <kbmonkey> Kilos, I am eating big fat red grapes
[06:07] <Kilos> ooo yummy kbmonkey 
[06:07] <Kilos> morning
[06:07] <superfly> morning Kilos and kbmonkey 
[06:07] <kbmonkey> morning Kilos and superfly 
[06:08] <Kilos> best way to enjoy grapes, much healthier than waiting for them to forment first
[06:08]  * superfly gets things ready for church
[06:08] <superfly> later folks
[06:08] <Kilos> pray for us please superfly 
[06:08] <kbmonkey> later!
[06:08] <superfly> I'm always praying for you Kilos 
[06:09] <Kilos> ty my friend
[08:36] <oupateddie> Goood morning
[08:36] <Kilos> hello oupateddie 
[08:36] <Kilos> you have a good dance
[08:36] <oupateddie> Howzit on this Sunday morning?
[08:36] <Kilos> good ty and there?
[08:37] <oupateddie> Dance... not really as there were very few people, but the music was good.
[08:37] <Kilos> ah
[08:37] <oupateddie> The West Coast is overcast but humid, looks like a 28C today
[08:38] <Kilos> we 34°c today
[08:38] <oupateddie> Let me see if anybody is up to speed with Firefox 26.... and the blocking of JavaScript(s)
[08:38] <oupateddie> Ouch that's hot
[08:39] <Kilos> oh you dont want java
[08:39] <Kilos> i had to install it here to see some sites
[08:39] <Kilos> but i use opera browser
[08:39] <oupateddie> How do I "accept" javascript on FF26. It is showing me that Javascript is not active on the FF26. 
[08:40] <oupateddie> I have Chrone and Opera but Opera is not so Joomla friendly when updating CMS Websites
[08:40] <Kilos> doesnt it give a popup for accept
[08:40] <oupateddie> And the nice part is that FF has an Afrikaans spell checker which I could not find in Chrome
[08:40] <oupateddie> Nope Kilos
[08:40] <Kilos> ah
[08:41] <Kilos> do you want to see the java stuff?
[08:41] <oupateddie> Well my Facebook page is all screwed as I cannot enter anything in the fields. It doesn't accept anything.
[08:42] <oupateddie> Also my google page is not displayed correctly
[08:42] <Kilos> sec im looking
[08:43] <oupateddie> That is on the laptop, but on the desktop it is OK
[08:44] <Kilos> sudo aptitude install oracle-java7-installer
[08:44] <Kilos> most stuff works with just openjdk
[08:45] <oupateddie> I'm not sure if openjdk is installed let me chack
[08:46] <Kilos> and sun-java-something or other
[08:46] <oupateddie> It seems as if opnjdk is not installed on the machine
[08:46] <Kilos> have you got synaptic?
[08:46] <oupateddie> must still do that on 13.04
[08:47] <oupateddie> its the laptop which played up yesterday
[08:47] <Kilos> whew
[08:47] <Kilos> so you now on 13.04
[08:47] <oupateddie> yeh on the laptop
[08:48] <oupateddie> on the desktop I cleaned up a l;ot with a magic prog ubuntu-tweak
[08:48] <Kilos> you shoulda gone with 13.10 i think 13.04 isnt supported anymore
[08:49] <Kilos> thats why im staying with 12.04. 3 years support is better than 6 months
[08:49] <oupateddie> I did not have 13.10 on a stick. Perhaps I mus download it and install it. In fact I do get updates for 13.04 regularly
[08:49] <oupateddie> Is 13.10 at all friendly as 12.04..
[08:49] <oupateddie> Also when is the next LTS coming
[08:50] <Kilos> you need to do some work to get extra workspaces and so on and it has lots of animated stuff i killed
[08:50] <Kilos> 14.04
[08:50] <oupateddie> On my main machine it is still 12.04
[08:51] <oupateddie> Rather stay as I am till 14.04
[08:51] <Kilos> if you got space to play, try 13.10 kubuntu
[08:51] <Kilos> very fast
[08:51] <Kilos> installs in 12 mins
[08:51] <oupateddie> What about Mint?
[08:51] <Kilos> i prefer kde
[08:52] <oupateddie> Never used it before
[08:52] <Kilos> they have worked on speed which was the main draw back
[08:52] <oupateddie> Will download an load onto another old machine standing garthering dust
[08:52] <oupateddie> *gathering
[08:52] <Kilos> took some getting used to but very lekker once you know the basics
[08:53] <oupateddie> where do I download the kubuntu iso
[08:53] <Kilos> Maaz, get ubuntu
[08:53] <Maaz> Kilos: 301 Moved Permanently to http://www.ubuntu.com/, which gets a 200 OK "The world's most popular free OS | Ubuntu"
[08:53] <Kilos> hmm...
[08:53] <oupateddie> My problemis that I have clients running Ubuntu 12 and 13 and I have to give support so I need machines to run on them
[08:53] <Kilos> Maaz, google kubuntu 13.10 iso download
[08:53] <Maaz> Kilos: "Kubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)" http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/13.10/release/ :: "Kubuntu 14.04 (Trusty Tahr) Daily Build" http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ :: "Download Kubuntu | Kubuntu" http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu :: "Kubuntu 13.10 | Kubuntu" http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-13.10 :: "Download Kubuntu | Kubuntu"
[08:53] <Maaz> http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download :: "Kubuntu | Friendly Computing" http://www.…
[08:56] <Kilos> oh you still on java thing too
[08:56] <oupateddie> Busy installing openjdk
[08:56] <oupateddie> Was not installed on the laptop
[08:57] <Kilos> here is the whole java thing
[08:57] <Kilos> https://launchpad.net/~webupd8team/+archive/java
[08:57] <Kilos> that opens anything using java
[08:58] <oupateddie> Stupid question for anybody... can I boot up more than one ubuntu one one machine at the same time. I have a ps with two hdd's each with a different version. 
[08:58] <oupateddie> on* - one
[08:58] <Kilos> yes i have 3 drives that boot here
[08:59] <oupateddie> OK how do I  boot up the two disk as two "pc's " simultaneously
[08:59] <Kilos> 12.04 unity and 10.10 and kubuntu 12.04 on an external
[08:59] <Kilos> in one you type in sudo update-grub
[09:00] <Kilos> thats on your first bootable drive
[09:00] <oupateddie> OK I have update grub on the primary drive which brings up the grub menu
[09:00] <Kilos> then you will get the option which one to boot from
[09:00] <oupateddie> that's I get
[09:01] <Kilos> oh sorry man i misread your question
[09:01] <oupateddie> But is it possible to boot the primary as a machine and the secondary at the same time as a second machine
[09:01] <Kilos> i dont know
[09:02] <Kilos> dont think you can run 2 at once
[09:02] <oupateddie> This means that by "switching" between hdd's I can actually run two "workstations" simultaneously from one pc
[09:03] <Kilos> im lost with that
[09:03] <Kilos> if you find out how tell me too
[09:04] <oupateddie> well if you hear anything let me know. It might be possible if you run a virtual machine within the 1st instance similar to WINE for windows applic's
[09:04] <Kilos> oh you can run virtualbox
[09:04] <oupateddie> just thought of that now
[09:05] <Kilos> then install os of choice on there
[09:05] <oupateddie> that would mean your primaty machine would vbe your work machine and the virtual the other "play" disk
[09:05] <oupateddie> then I can run a 12.04, 13.04 and Kubuntu all at the same time no?
[09:06] <Kilos> virtualbox opens on your running drive
[09:06] <Kilos> dunno how to make it use a second drive
[09:07] <Kilos> ask that kinda question here tonight when the brains are here
[09:07] <oupateddie> worthwhile trying to get it done though
[09:07] <oupateddie> Do you know about crossover?
[09:07] <Kilos> nope
[09:08] <oupateddie> It is a codeweavers product to run windows under linux.
[09:08] <oupateddie> It basically allows you to run .exe.'s in linux without  wine
[09:13] <Kilos> eish i try keep any ms stuff away from here, apart from xp on first 20g to use up the bad sectors on this drive
[09:47] <Kilos> hi aquarat 
[09:47] <Kilos> wb
[10:04] <confluency> CrossOver *is* Wine. It's a proprietary fork.
[10:04] <Kilos> oh ty confluency 
[10:16] <kbmonkey> hallo
[10:16] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey 
[10:17] <kbmonkey> you lurking lekker Kilos 
[10:18] <Kilos> haha
[10:18] <Kilos> ive already done my bit today
[10:19] <kbmonkey> ya, some people have the strangest problems when they come from a windows environment 
[10:20] <kbmonkey> mostly because they just dont stop to read the instructions :]
[10:21] <kbmonkey> but Kilos you must never tell anyone to rm -rf, that is looking for trouble. he he
[10:21] <kbmonkey> especially with sudo
[10:22] <Kilos> oh sorry. ive use it for stubborn stuff
[10:22] <Kilos> i said rm not rm -rf didnt i
[10:23] <Kilos> you must read the part this morning about running virtualbox on another drive
[10:23] <Kilos> im lost there
[10:24] <kbmonkey> no you didnt say rf, only sudo rm :]
[10:24] <kbmonkey> why should I read about virtualbox? I use qemu!
[10:24] <Kilos> i didnt know it was unsafe
[10:25] <Kilos> tell oupa then 
[10:25] <Kilos> see what he wants to do
[10:26] <Kilos> if you help him lekker we can maybe push for some snoek
[10:26] <Kilos> email smoked snoek
[10:26] <kbmonkey> haha
[10:26] <kbmonkey> if you rm the wrong thing you can destroy your system files :(
[10:27] <Kilos> ai!
[10:29] <kbmonkey> ja I see oupa wants to run a virtual machiine using the hard disk instead of a image file
[10:29] <kbmonkey> I have not done that before myself
[10:29] <kbmonkey> but the virtualbox wiki has a tutorial on that as I recall
[10:30] <Kilos> good
[11:21] <charl> good afternoon
[11:21] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[11:21]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[11:24] <charl> oh my goodness, this is just plain brilliant http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/658/580/aca.jpg
[11:24] <Kilos> hi charl 
[11:25] <charl> i love the south african way - problem - steal a solution
[11:25] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[11:26] <charl> especially the belgian way - first start with a solution and end with a problem
[11:26] <charl> and the french way is also hilarious
[11:29] <charl> this is so true this one i am laughing tears of joy
[15:07] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[15:07]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[15:08] <Kilos> you still here kbmonkey ? gonna rain
[15:08] <kbmonkey> yes, gonna rain here too. temp is dropping fast.
[15:09] <kbmonkey> Maaz, koffie asseblief
[15:09] <Maaz> Eish kbmonkey  Die engelse het tot ons boeretroos oorgeneem. Vra asseblief in engels.
[15:09] <kbmonkey> Maaz, coffee please
[15:09] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Sure
[15:11] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and kbmonkey!
[15:11] <kbmonkey> yey koffie
[15:18] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[15:18] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[15:19] <Kilos> we got boom booms here but most likely that is just gonna kill the power and rain somewhere else
[15:19] <Kilos> grrr
[15:20] <kbmonkey> eish
[16:39] <Kilos> hmm...
[16:45] <kbmonkey> agreed
[16:45] <Kilos> lol
[16:45] <Kilos> gonna be a small meet on the 23rd methinks
[16:46] <Kilos> oh ya kbmonkey you inna dog box
[16:46] <Kilos> you missed your own first open meet
[16:47] <Kilos> you lucky the pro hasnt sent the mafia after you yet'
[17:19] <Kilos> see now he hides
[17:22] <oupateddie> Evening all
[17:22] <Kilos> hi oupateddie 
[17:22] <Kilos> wb
[17:22] <oupateddie> Kilos what is the syntax of that fix broken command you sent yesterday?
[17:23] <Kilos> the monkey said there is info on the wiki on using virtualbox to another drive
[17:23] <Kilos> umm
[17:23] <oupateddie> I'll check that out
[17:23] <Kilos> sudo apt-get --fixbroken i think it was
[17:24] <oupateddie> I'll see as I had it differently and it did not work
[17:24] <Kilos> lemme try find it again
[17:24] <Kilos> but also in synaptic there is a fix broken button
[17:26] <Kilos> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[17:26] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install -f
[17:28] <Kilos> ill have to hunt again. not sure where i have it saved
[17:30] <oupateddie> Not a problem
[17:30] <oupateddie> I found it in aptitude manual
[17:31] <Kilos> what is it?
[17:31] <Kilos> you must make a file to save all these commands
[17:32] <Kilos> i do but on different drives and places
[17:32] <Kilos> sigh
[17:33] <Kilos> but the synaptic you got to edit and then fix broken
[17:35] <oupateddie> I am trying to save all the command yes
[17:35] <oupateddie> I'm trying to collect all these now into one file
[17:36] <Kilos> what did you break now
[17:37] <Kilos> oh also there are man pges
[17:37] <Kilos> pages
[17:38] <Kilos> you type in mad apt or whatever program you looking for info on
[17:38] <Kilos> i battle to understand man though
[17:40] <oupateddie> I check with aptitude and these are a number of obsolete progs which I want to remove
[17:41] <oupateddie> My cousin's machine has broken packages and I'm trying to help him how to fix these.   
[17:49] <Kilos> aha
[17:50] <Kilos> what error messages do you see?
[17:50] <oupateddie> No, I have left him to fight on by himself... If he needs more help I'll have a look.
[17:51] <Kilos> you can let him come here too you know
[17:51] <oupateddie> I have downloaded Kubuntu, want to see how it looks on the laptop.
[17:51] <Kilos> cool
[17:52] <Kilos> if you need help there ill need to swap drives
[17:53] <Kilos> button bottom left is the launcher
[17:53] <oupateddie> first have to make a bootable stick for it
[17:53] <Kilos> you use unetbootin or startup disk creator
[17:54] <oupateddie> yep that I have done
[17:58] <oupateddie> Well now I'll probably do a clean install on the laptop with Kubuntu. At this stage I'm basically creating a new Kubuntu machine instead of Ubutnu. Let's see if I am going to become insane again
[17:58] <Kilos> lol go for it
[18:00] <oupateddie> I have been wanting to try kubuntu but always no time,  now it's plunge time
[18:00] <Kilos> first time i tried it i was totally lost but now i love it
[18:01] <Kilos> totally different
[18:02] <oupateddie> does it also have libre office in it
[18:02] <Kilos> all packages are common to all ubuntu
[18:02] <oupateddie> obviously all the linux logic holds good it is just a kde based instead of gnome
[18:03] <Kilos> only the gui differs
[18:03] <Kilos> yip
[18:03] <oupateddie> ok I understand that it is better and faster but it is not user friendly
[18:03] <Kilos> you could actually even have tried it by just installing kubuntu-desktop
[18:04] <oupateddie> can still do that
[18:04] <Kilos> but 13.10 is much faster than earlier versions
[18:04] <oupateddie> then it runs kde instead of gnome?
[18:04] <Kilos> i install it in 12 mins on a dual core p4 with 1.5g ram
[18:04] <Kilos> yes 
[18:05] <oupateddie> if I then want to revert back to gnome I just reinstall the gnome desktop?
[18:05] <Kilos> you can choose in the bootup screen where you type in your password
[18:06] <Kilos> you leave gnome there for starters
[18:06] <oupateddie> ok so if i install kubuntu then it will keep gnome and have kubuntu as an extra option.
[18:07] <Kilos> you tick a little thing top right where you type in password and choose
[18:07] <oupateddie> what if I now install 13.10 kubuntu  and then later needs gnoem I can install the gnome desktop as well?
[18:07] <Kilos> yip
[18:07] <Kilos> ubuntu-desktop
[18:08] <oupateddie> will try that instead, then the laptop is at least on 13.10
[18:08] <oupateddie> that basically is sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop as a command
[18:09] <Kilos> yes
[18:10] <Kilos> lots of peeps dont like kde but once you are used to it it is very lekker
[18:11] <Kilos> ask superfly for an opinion
[18:11] <oupateddie> Murphy time.... startup crashes so now I am installing kubuntu on 13.04
[18:12] <Kilos> what crashes
[18:12] <Kilos> sjoe murphy move from me to you
[18:12] <Kilos> yay
[18:13] <oupateddie> dtartup disk creator
[18:13] <Kilos> use unetbootin
[18:13] <Kilos> much better
[18:13] <Kilos> makes a good boot stick
[19:27] <Kilos> oupateddie, what happened
[19:28] <oupateddie> still busy installing
[19:28] <oupateddie> the whole world and all are sitting on adls tonight
[19:28] <Kilos> oh on top of gnome?
[19:28] <oupateddie> adsl*
[19:29] <oupateddie> The entire world is in Yzerfontein busy with adsl and the exchange is just dying
[19:29] <oupateddie> yep on top of gnome
[19:29] <Kilos> lol
[19:29] <oupateddie> my 2Mb line is running at 30 kB's
[19:29] <Kilos> ouch
[19:37] <oupateddie> Yep that hurts
[19:37] <oupateddie> wonder why the kubuntu download site is so slow, other stuff are doing well though
[20:03] <Kilos> im gonna sleep now. ballies cant stay up late
[20:03] <Kilos> will be on kde in the morning if i dont forget
[20:04] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight