[05:57] hi superfly and others [06:05] hello hello [06:06] Kilos, I am eating big fat red grapes [06:07] ooo yummy kbmonkey [06:07] morning [06:07] morning Kilos and kbmonkey [06:07] morning Kilos and superfly [06:08] best way to enjoy grapes, much healthier than waiting for them to forment first [06:08] * superfly gets things ready for church [06:08] later folks [06:08] pray for us please superfly [06:08] later! [06:08] I'm always praying for you Kilos [06:09] ty my friend [08:36] Goood morning [08:36] hello oupateddie [08:36] you have a good dance [08:36] Howzit on this Sunday morning? [08:36] good ty and there? [08:37] Dance... not really as there were very few people, but the music was good. [08:37] ah [08:37] The West Coast is overcast but humid, looks like a 28C today [08:38] we 34°c today [08:38] Let me see if anybody is up to speed with Firefox 26.... and the blocking of JavaScript(s) [08:38] Ouch that's hot [08:39] oh you dont want java [08:39] i had to install it here to see some sites [08:39] but i use opera browser [08:39] How do I "accept" javascript on FF26. It is showing me that Javascript is not active on the FF26. [08:40] I have Chrone and Opera but Opera is not so Joomla friendly when updating CMS Websites [08:40] doesnt it give a popup for accept [08:40] And the nice part is that FF has an Afrikaans spell checker which I could not find in Chrome [08:40] Nope Kilos [08:40] ah [08:41] do you want to see the java stuff? [08:41] Well my Facebook page is all screwed as I cannot enter anything in the fields. It doesn't accept anything. [08:42] Also my google page is not displayed correctly [08:42] sec im looking [08:43] That is on the laptop, but on the desktop it is OK [08:44] sudo aptitude install oracle-java7-installer [08:44] most stuff works with just openjdk [08:45] I'm not sure if openjdk is installed let me chack [08:46] and sun-java-something or other [08:46] It seems as if opnjdk is not installed on the machine [08:46] have you got synaptic? [08:46] must still do that on 13.04 [08:47] its the laptop which played up yesterday [08:47] whew [08:47] so you now on 13.04 [08:47] yeh on the laptop [08:48] on the desktop I cleaned up a l;ot with a magic prog ubuntu-tweak [08:48] you shoulda gone with 13.10 i think 13.04 isnt supported anymore [08:49] thats why im staying with 12.04. 3 years support is better than 6 months [08:49] I did not have 13.10 on a stick. Perhaps I mus download it and install it. In fact I do get updates for 13.04 regularly [08:49] Is 13.10 at all friendly as 12.04.. [08:49] Also when is the next LTS coming [08:50] you need to do some work to get extra workspaces and so on and it has lots of animated stuff i killed [08:50] 14.04 [08:50] On my main machine it is still 12.04 [08:51] Rather stay as I am till 14.04 [08:51] if you got space to play, try 13.10 kubuntu [08:51] very fast [08:51] installs in 12 mins [08:51] What about Mint? [08:51] i prefer kde [08:52] Never used it before [08:52] they have worked on speed which was the main draw back [08:52] Will download an load onto another old machine standing garthering dust [08:52] *gathering [08:52] took some getting used to but very lekker once you know the basics [08:53] where do I download the kubuntu iso [08:53] Maaz, get ubuntu [08:53] Kilos: 301 Moved Permanently to http://www.ubuntu.com/, which gets a 200 OK "The world's most popular free OS | Ubuntu" [08:53] hmm... [08:53] My problemis that I have clients running Ubuntu 12 and 13 and I have to give support so I need machines to run on them [08:53] Maaz, google kubuntu 13.10 iso download [08:53] Kilos: "Kubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)" http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/13.10/release/ :: "Kubuntu 14.04 (Trusty Tahr) Daily Build" http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ :: "Download Kubuntu | Kubuntu" http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu :: "Kubuntu 13.10 | Kubuntu" http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-13.10 :: "Download Kubuntu | Kubuntu" [08:53] http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download :: "Kubuntu | Friendly Computing" http://www.… [08:56] oh you still on java thing too [08:56] Busy installing openjdk [08:56] Was not installed on the laptop [08:57] here is the whole java thing [08:57] https://launchpad.net/~webupd8team/+archive/java [08:57] that opens anything using java [08:58] Stupid question for anybody... can I boot up more than one ubuntu one one machine at the same time. I have a ps with two hdd's each with a different version. [08:58] on* - one [08:58] yes i have 3 drives that boot here [08:59] OK how do I boot up the two disk as two "pc's " simultaneously [08:59] 12.04 unity and 10.10 and kubuntu 12.04 on an external [08:59] in one you type in sudo update-grub [09:00] thats on your first bootable drive [09:00] OK I have update grub on the primary drive which brings up the grub menu [09:00] then you will get the option which one to boot from [09:00] that's I get [09:01] oh sorry man i misread your question [09:01] But is it possible to boot the primary as a machine and the secondary at the same time as a second machine [09:01] i dont know [09:02] dont think you can run 2 at once [09:02] This means that by "switching" between hdd's I can actually run two "workstations" simultaneously from one pc [09:03] im lost with that [09:03] if you find out how tell me too [09:04] well if you hear anything let me know. It might be possible if you run a virtual machine within the 1st instance similar to WINE for windows applic's [09:04] oh you can run virtualbox [09:04] just thought of that now [09:05] then install os of choice on there [09:05] that would mean your primaty machine would vbe your work machine and the virtual the other "play" disk [09:05] then I can run a 12.04, 13.04 and Kubuntu all at the same time no? [09:06] virtualbox opens on your running drive [09:06] dunno how to make it use a second drive [09:07] ask that kinda question here tonight when the brains are here [09:07] worthwhile trying to get it done though [09:07] Do you know about crossover? [09:07] nope [09:08] It is a codeweavers product to run windows under linux. [09:08] It basically allows you to run .exe.'s in linux without wine [09:13] eish i try keep any ms stuff away from here, apart from xp on first 20g to use up the bad sectors on this drive [09:47] hi aquarat [09:47] wb [10:04] CrossOver *is* Wine. It's a proprietary fork. [10:04] oh ty confluency [10:16] hallo [10:16] hi kbmonkey [10:17] you lurking lekker Kilos [10:18] haha [10:18] ive already done my bit today [10:19] ya, some people have the strangest problems when they come from a windows environment [10:20] mostly because they just dont stop to read the instructions :] [10:21] but Kilos you must never tell anyone to rm -rf, that is looking for trouble. he he [10:21] especially with sudo [10:22] oh sorry. ive use it for stubborn stuff [10:22] i said rm not rm -rf didnt i [10:23] you must read the part this morning about running virtualbox on another drive [10:23] im lost there [10:24] no you didnt say rf, only sudo rm :] [10:24] why should I read about virtualbox? I use qemu! [10:24] i didnt know it was unsafe [10:25] tell oupa then [10:25] see what he wants to do [10:26] if you help him lekker we can maybe push for some snoek [10:26] email smoked snoek [10:26] haha [10:26] if you rm the wrong thing you can destroy your system files :( [10:27] ai! [10:29] ja I see oupa wants to run a virtual machiine using the hard disk instead of a image file [10:29] I have not done that before myself [10:29] but the virtualbox wiki has a tutorial on that as I recall [10:30] good [11:21] good afternoon [11:21] Maaz: coffee on [11:21] * Maaz puts the kettle on [11:24] oh my goodness, this is just plain brilliant http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/658/580/aca.jpg [11:24] hi charl [11:25] i love the south african way - problem - steal a solution [11:25] Coffee's ready for charl! [11:26] especially the belgian way - first start with a solution and end with a problem [11:26] and the french way is also hilarious [11:29] this is so true this one i am laughing tears of joy [15:07] Maaz, coffee on [15:07] * Maaz washes some mugs [15:08] you still here kbmonkey ? gonna rain [15:08] yes, gonna rain here too. temp is dropping fast. [15:09] Maaz, koffie asseblief [15:09] Eish kbmonkey Die engelse het tot ons boeretroos oorgeneem. Vra asseblief in engels. [15:09] Maaz, coffee please [15:09] kbmonkey: Sure [15:11] Coffee's ready for Kilos and kbmonkey! [15:11] yey koffie [15:18] Maaz, danke [15:18] Bitteschön [15:19] we got boom booms here but most likely that is just gonna kill the power and rain somewhere else [15:19] grrr [15:20] eish [16:39] hmm... [16:45] agreed [16:45] lol [16:45] gonna be a small meet on the 23rd methinks [16:46] oh ya kbmonkey you inna dog box [16:46] you missed your own first open meet [16:47] you lucky the pro hasnt sent the mafia after you yet' [17:19] see now he hides [17:22] Evening all [17:22] hi oupateddie [17:22] wb [17:22] Kilos what is the syntax of that fix broken command you sent yesterday? [17:23] the monkey said there is info on the wiki on using virtualbox to another drive [17:23] umm [17:23] I'll check that out [17:23] sudo apt-get --fixbroken i think it was [17:24] I'll see as I had it differently and it did not work [17:24] lemme try find it again [17:24] but also in synaptic there is a fix broken button [17:26] sudo dpkg --configure -a [17:26] sudo apt-get install -f [17:28] ill have to hunt again. not sure where i have it saved [17:30] Not a problem [17:30] I found it in aptitude manual [17:31] what is it? [17:31] you must make a file to save all these commands [17:32] i do but on different drives and places [17:32] sigh [17:33] but the synaptic you got to edit and then fix broken [17:35] I am trying to save all the command yes [17:35] I'm trying to collect all these now into one file [17:36] what did you break now [17:37] oh also there are man pges [17:37] pages [17:38] you type in mad apt or whatever program you looking for info on [17:38] i battle to understand man though [17:40] I check with aptitude and these are a number of obsolete progs which I want to remove [17:41] My cousin's machine has broken packages and I'm trying to help him how to fix these. [17:49] aha [17:50] what error messages do you see? [17:50] No, I have left him to fight on by himself... If he needs more help I'll have a look. [17:51] you can let him come here too you know [17:51] I have downloaded Kubuntu, want to see how it looks on the laptop. [17:51] cool [17:52] if you need help there ill need to swap drives [17:53] button bottom left is the launcher [17:53] first have to make a bootable stick for it [17:53] you use unetbootin or startup disk creator [17:54] yep that I have done [17:58] Well now I'll probably do a clean install on the laptop with Kubuntu. At this stage I'm basically creating a new Kubuntu machine instead of Ubutnu. Let's see if I am going to become insane again [17:58] lol go for it [18:00] I have been wanting to try kubuntu but always no time, now it's plunge time [18:00] first time i tried it i was totally lost but now i love it [18:01] totally different [18:02] does it also have libre office in it [18:02] all packages are common to all ubuntu [18:02] obviously all the linux logic holds good it is just a kde based instead of gnome [18:03] only the gui differs [18:03] yip [18:03] ok I understand that it is better and faster but it is not user friendly [18:03] you could actually even have tried it by just installing kubuntu-desktop [18:04] can still do that [18:04] but 13.10 is much faster than earlier versions [18:04] then it runs kde instead of gnome? [18:04] i install it in 12 mins on a dual core p4 with 1.5g ram [18:04] yes [18:05] if I then want to revert back to gnome I just reinstall the gnome desktop? [18:05] you can choose in the bootup screen where you type in your password [18:06] you leave gnome there for starters [18:06] ok so if i install kubuntu then it will keep gnome and have kubuntu as an extra option. [18:07] you tick a little thing top right where you type in password and choose [18:07] what if I now install 13.10 kubuntu and then later needs gnoem I can install the gnome desktop as well? [18:07] yip [18:07] ubuntu-desktop [18:08] will try that instead, then the laptop is at least on 13.10 [18:08] that basically is sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop as a command [18:09] yes [18:10] lots of peeps dont like kde but once you are used to it it is very lekker [18:11] ask superfly for an opinion [18:11] Murphy time.... startup crashes so now I am installing kubuntu on 13.04 [18:12] what crashes [18:12] sjoe murphy move from me to you [18:12] yay [18:13] dtartup disk creator [18:13] use unetbootin [18:13] much better [18:13] makes a good boot stick [19:27] oupateddie, what happened [19:28] still busy installing [19:28] the whole world and all are sitting on adls tonight [19:28] oh on top of gnome? [19:28] adsl* [19:29] The entire world is in Yzerfontein busy with adsl and the exchange is just dying [19:29] yep on top of gnome [19:29] lol [19:29] my 2Mb line is running at 30 kB's [19:29] ouch [19:37] Yep that hurts [19:37] wonder why the kubuntu download site is so slow, other stuff are doing well though [20:03] im gonna sleep now. ballies cant stay up late [20:03] will be on kde in the morning if i dont forget [20:04] night all. sleep tight === kbmonkey_ is now known as kbmonkey