| brainwash | ochosi: your system is just.. awesome :D | 00:17 |
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| brainwash | your screen gets locked automatically via dbus, right? or via xfce4-session and xflock4 (light-locker-command)? | 00:19 |
| ochosi | acutally it gets locked via X11's builtin screensaver | 00:25 |
| ochosi | brainwash: ^ | 00:25 |
| ochosi | light-locker does automatic time-based locking based on whatever is set in "xset s" | 00:25 |
| brainwash | on suspend? | 00:25 |
| brainwash | and does the version trusty already support the time-based locking? | 00:27 |
| ochosi | not sure what version there is | 00:29 |
| ochosi | 1.1.0 supports it | 00:29 |
| ochosi | on suspend it autolocks, yes | 00:29 |
| ochosi | light-locker listens to the suspend command and locks the screen | 00:29 |
| ochosi | there's not even a switch currently to turn that off | 00:29 |
| brainwash | yeah, I know that :) | 00:30 |
| brainwash | 1.0.0 in trusty | 00:30 |
| knome | bbl, back sometime... | 00:32 |
| brainwash | ochosi: ok, so both systems here run 1.0.0 | 00:33 |
| ochosi | i can see that we do a new stable release soon | 00:34 |
| ochosi | there aren't really any more features we want for now i think | 00:34 |
| brainwash | uhm, what about the ability to show screensavers? xD | 00:35 |
| brainwash | so no plans for a GUI settings window or something like that? | 00:36 |
| ochosi | that certainly is out of the scope of light-locker | 00:36 |
| ochosi | well a gui for settings, i hope yes | 00:36 |
| ochosi | but ideally it'll get integrated in other settings dialogs | 00:36 |
| ochosi | no need for specific light-locker settings tbh | 00:36 |
| ochosi | ppl need to be able to set the X11 screensaver for blanking | 00:37 |
| ochosi | and maybe enable/disable the time-based locking | 00:37 |
| ochosi | and that's about it | 00:37 |
| brainwash | mmh, you still need a GUI which is DE independent | 00:37 |
| brainwash | or at least a conf file | 00:38 |
| ochosi | the conf is done by the distributors atm | 00:38 |
| ochosi | by setting the startup command | 00:38 |
| ochosi | thing is that UI would literally contain a checkbox or two and a gtkspinbutton for setting the timeout | 00:39 |
| brainwash | it somehow feels a bit incomplete for a LTS release, or? | 00:39 |
| brainwash | incomplete/basic | 00:40 |
| ochosi | i'm not sure what's missing | 00:40 |
| ochosi | i always wanted it to be basic | 00:40 |
| ochosi | it's not called "fancy-locker" for a reason | 00:40 |
| brainwash | the average user wants to be able to control it | 00:40 |
| ochosi | yeah, but ideally they will be able to | 00:41 |
| ochosi | via setting timeouts in powermanager-settings | 00:41 |
| ochosi | that needs fixes for logind anyway, adding a way of enabling the X11 screensaver and setting its timeout shouldn't be too hard | 00:41 |
| brainwash | doe we have a test case for light-locker? | 00:41 |
| ochosi | not sure | 00:42 |
| brainwash | it might cause some unexpected failures | 00:42 |
| brainwash | ochosi: is a request needed to upgrade to 1.1.0? | 00:47 |
| brainwash | this is the initial packaging request bug 1237134 | 00:48 |
| ubottu | bug 1237134 in light-locker (Ubuntu) "[needs-packaging] light-locker -- lightdm-based session locker" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1237134 | 00:48 |
| ochosi | i think we need to release a new stable version in order to get ubuntu folks to update it | 00:49 |
| ochosi | since it's an LTS release, i would expect them to want something that's also labelled stable | 00:49 |
| ochosi | even if there won't be additional fixes | 00:49 |
| brainwash | I see | 00:50 |
| brainwash | "Preparing to release 1.1.0" | 00:50 |
| ochosi | anyway, if you wanna write a tiny app that sets the screensaver values, that'd be welcome | 00:50 |
| ochosi | i personally don't have any time to take care of that, too many other things (and christmas) coming up | 00:50 |
| brainwash | with my amount of knowledge and experience it would take weeks | 00:51 |
| brainwash | finding the right way to do it | 00:52 |
| brainwash | or a "good" way | 00:52 |
| ochosi | i think ubuntu handle it all via their session | 00:53 |
| ochosi | so no additional settings dialog is needed there | 00:53 |
| rowboatn1ck | wouldnt you just need to change .xscreensaver? | 00:54 |
| brainwash | ochosi: right, because it's familiar with gnome-screensaver | 00:55 |
| ochosi | rowboatn1ck: no, that's for xscreensaver | 00:56 |
| rowboatn1ck | there's a new one? | 00:56 |
| ochosi | i was talking about X11's screensaver extension (aka libxss) | 00:56 |
| ochosi | we're planning to replace xscreensaver with light-locker | 00:56 |
| ochosi | which blanks the screen with X11 and un/locks it via lightdm's greeter | 00:57 |
| rowboatn1ck | ah | 00:57 |
| brainwash | ochosi: make xfce4-session aware of light-locker (and not care that much about other DEs)? | 00:59 |
| ochosi | brainwash: there's a misunderstanding here: there's no need for awareness of light-locker specifically, only of X11's screensaver extension | 00:59 |
| ochosi | light-locker only listens to libxss | 00:59 |
| ochosi | and reacts to blanking by locking shortly thereafter | 01:00 |
| ochosi | so basically anything that manages X11's settings works with light-locker | 01:00 |
| brainwash | and to dbus messages | 01:00 |
| ochosi | that's we're a bit reluctant to create a UI for it i guess | 01:00 |
| ochosi | +why | 01:00 |
| ochosi | yeah, to those as well | 01:00 |
| ochosi | xflock will be patched, so manual locking will work fine | 01:01 |
| brainwash | but I mean, xfce4-session locks the screen on suspend/hibernate via xflock4 if the users activates it | 01:01 |
| brainwash | deactivating it won't work as of now | 01:01 |
| ochosi | yeah, not with light-locker 1.0 | 01:02 |
| brainwash | but with 1.1.0? | 01:02 |
| brainwash | with the current available snapshot I mean | 01:03 |
| ochosi | with the daily PPA, it'll auto-lock on suspend | 01:03 |
| ochosi | not sure it'll do anything on hibernate | 01:03 |
| ochosi | it could also be that you have your issue because the session does something wrong when locking via xflock | 01:04 |
| ochosi | i'm really not sure, i've never used it like that tbh | 01:04 |
| brainwash | we should threat suspend and hibernate equally =S | 01:04 |
| ochosi | yeah, but hibernate isn't enabled in ubuntu by default | 01:04 |
| brainwash | no, xflock4 does not even get called | 01:04 |
| ochosi | hence the same is true for xubuntu | 01:04 |
| ochosi | so it's already not treated the same way | 01:04 |
| brainwash | it's via session/dbus | 01:04 |
| ochosi | ah ok | 01:04 |
| ochosi | maybe there's the problem, i don't know the session-code | 01:05 |
| brainwash | xflock4 isn't even patched yet | 01:05 |
| ochosi | wasn't there a merge-request? | 01:06 |
| brainwash | ochosi: one last question, your system switches to vt8 after you resume the system, right? | 01:07 |
| ochosi | i specifically remember someone from ubuntu-devel asking me about the MR and i "approved" it | 01:07 |
| ochosi | yeah | 01:07 |
| brainwash | not before the system enters the suspend sate | 01:07 |
| brainwash | state | 01:07 |
| brainwash | ok | 01:07 |
| ochosi | before i suspend, i see the light-locker-screen show for a sec or so, then nothing | 01:07 |
| ochosi | when it wakes up, the screen is blank (because that's what the greeter now does by default when it's in locker-state) | 01:08 |
| ochosi | then i move my mouse or hit a key, enter my password and i'm logged in again | 01:08 |
| brainwash | https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/xfce4-session/light-locker | 01:08 |
| brainwash | yes | 01:09 |
| ochosi | i don't know enough about debian packaging, but to me it's weird that there's the patch and it's also already applied | 01:11 |
| ochosi | but maybe that's how it's supposed to be | 01:11 |
| ochosi | other than that it looks ok | 01:11 |
| ochosi | so i hope Noskcaj follows up on it | 01:12 |
| brainwash | I guess he knows how this stuff works | 01:13 |
| brainwash | so it's the quilt patch + the actual patched code | 01:14 |
| ochosi | yup | 01:15 |
| brainwash | mmh, any news regarding bug 1222021 ? | 01:15 |
| ubottu | bug 1222021 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "xfce4-power-manager does not inhibit systemd from handling buttons and lid events" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1222021 | 01:15 |
| brainwash | I'll try to get the importance level raised to high, because the user might lose data if the system performs a shutdown on button press (no dialog) or when the system tries to suspend on a system which does not support it properly | 01:18 |
| brainwash | on top of that, it affects many users | 01:19 |
| ochosi | yeah, but it won't help i guess | 01:19 |
| ochosi | unless someone writes a patch | 01:19 |
| ochosi | (i mean the importance level alone) | 01:19 |
| ochosi | that would be one alternative, have a simple systemd settings app that also controls the screensaver | 01:20 |
| brainwash | true, not even "critical" would change anything =S | 01:20 |
| ochosi | then we dont need the powermanager anymore | 01:20 |
| ochosi | rowboatn1ck: wanna write some UI code again? ;) ^ | 01:21 |
| brainwash | power manager also controls screen brightness and other settings | 01:21 |
| brainwash | and different profiles for battery and AC mode | 01:22 |
| elfy | ochosi: finally got around to adding lightlocker/ removing xscreensaver - seems the shortcut to it is ctrl+alt+L - not working for me here | 12:22 |
| brainwash | elfy: did you also patch xflock4? | 12:35 |
| elfy | no - why should I have | 12:35 |
| elfy | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2013-December/009478.html | 12:36 |
| brainwash | because the shortcut calls xflock4 | 12:36 |
| elfy | doesn't say anything about fiddling about, if it's nto prod ready that's fine - just assumed it was | 12:37 |
| brainwash | https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/xfce4-session/light-locker | 12:37 |
| brainwash | so a branch does already exist, merging and packaging takes some time =S | 12:38 |
| elfy | thanks - brainwash - I'll wait for that to land then | 12:38 |
| elfy | yep - indeed :) | 12:39 |
| elfy | just trying to make sure this machine has everything installable we hope to land in April actually installed | 12:39 |
| brainwash | right, the new stuff should be included asap I think | 12:41 |
| elfy | yep | 12:41 |
| brainwash | and we got plenty of changes and new features | 12:41 |
| elfy | I think the only 'new' stuff not installed here is menulibre and mugshot | 12:44 |
| brainwash | gtk3 indicator support | 12:44 |
| brainwash | the mentioned light-locker integration | 12:45 |
| brainwash | and the patches for the smooth background transition | 12:45 |
| elfy | yea | 12:45 |
| brainwash | whisker menu | 12:45 |
| elfy | though I've got both installed atm | 12:45 |
| elfy | and that | 12:45 |
| brainwash | and the panel layout loader/saver tool | 12:46 |
| brainwash | :D | 12:46 |
| elfy | no idea about that | 12:46 |
| elfy | if people doing these things don't actaully say on the mailing list then they get missed | 12:47 |
| elfy | bbl | 12:48 |
| brainwash | bye | 12:48 |
| elfy | have a good day brainwash :) | 12:48 |
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| elfy | bluesabre: is there a trusty source for mugshot yet? | 13:16 |
| elfy | the daily ppa appears to not have one | 13:16 |
| elfy | ochosi: side effect here with removing xscreensaver and installing lightlocker - now affected by Bug 1193716 | 15:25 |
| ubottu | bug 1193716 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "Monitor turns off after 10 minutes of inactivity despite the fact that XScreensaver has been removed from Lubuntu" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1193716 | 15:25 |
| knome | oh yay! | 15:44 |
| knome | i has internets! | 15:44 |
| GridCube | yay! | 15:48 |
| GridCube | :D | 15:48 |
| bluesabre | elfy: good point, I've added a trusty build, should finish shortly | 15:52 |
| bluesabre | elfy, please see my comment on that bug | 15:56 |
| elfy | bluesabre: k - cheers and I saw the comment :) | 16:49 |
| elfy | knome: always useful :) | 16:49 |
| brainwash | doesn't the power manager allow to configure the timer for screen blanking? | 16:53 |
| brainwash | elfy: can you please suspend/hibernate your system and after resume check if the login greeter displays the "Log In" or "Unlock" button? | 16:54 |
| elfy | I tried suspend a short while ago - when I was looking at the lock screen thing - coming out of suspend - just goes straight to where I suspended from | 16:56 |
| elfy | no login nor unlock | 16:56 |
| brainwash | show while ago? after installing light-locker / making it the default? | 16:57 |
| brainwash | short | 16:58 |
| elfy | yea - after lightlocker install | 16:58 |
| elfy | I'm not really here atm | 16:58 |
| brainwash | so it should automatically lock your session every time you suspend/hibernate the system | 16:59 |
| brainwash | via session menu | 16:59 |
| elfy | of course | 17:03 |
| brainwash | ochosi: still don't understand this, lightdm reports that the greeter is not being used as lock screen (lock_hint not set) | 17:08 |
| brainwash | ochosi: but it works if I manually lock the session before triggering suspend/hibernate | 17:09 |
| knome | elfy, yep... | 17:22 |
| bluesabre | elfy, did you restart, or run light-locker? | 17:32 |
| bluesabre | the process has to be running to listen to suspend/hibernate/light-locker -l | 17:32 |
| bluesabre | its added to autostart, but not started automatically until you've logged out or run "light-locker" | 17:33 |
| elfy | no - no restart done - I'll check tomorrow then - but then I also applied setterm -blank 0 -powerdown 0 now | 17:39 |
| ochosi | elfy: yeah, you have to set that timeout via "xset s $seconds" in the terminal atm | 17:49 |
| ochosi | we'll have to fix that somehow, not sure yet how/where | 17:50 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: create a lightweight alternative to the xscreensaver settings | 17:50 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: yeah, or just fix powermanager to be able to set those values | 17:51 |
| bluesabre | but then what about the lubuntu folks? | 17:51 |
| ochosi | i thought they also use the powermanager? | 17:51 |
| bluesabre | maybe | 17:51 |
| bluesabre | we need to figure out what to do with this, want to create a wiki page or lp blueprint? | 17:52 |
| ochosi | one sec, i'm actually trying to follow up on the panel issues atm | 17:52 |
| ochosi | (alpha and bg issues i mean) | 17:52 |
| bluesabre | ok, cool | 17:53 |
| brainwash | bluesabre: do you test/use light-locker? | 17:56 |
| bluesabre | yeah, or I have in the past, haven't set it up on my new laptop yet | 17:57 |
| bluesabre | but I can answer any questions about it | 17:58 |
| brainwash | does the gtk greeter show the "log in" or "unlock" button after resuming from suspend/hibernate? :P | 17:58 |
| bluesabre | should show "unlock" | 17:59 |
| bluesabre | because it locks the screen when it suspends | 17:59 |
| brainwash | right, but lightdm does report a wrong status (lock_hint not set) | 17:59 |
| brainwash | for me (2 different systems) | 17:59 |
| bluesabre | so lightdm shows Log in for you then? | 18:00 |
| brainwash | yes | 18:00 |
| brainwash | but it works properly if I manually lock the screen and the suspend/hibernate | 18:01 |
| bluesabre | hm | 18:01 |
| bluesabre | ochosi ^ | 18:01 |
| brainwash | ochosi cannot confirm this :/ | 18:02 |
| brainwash | so I'm trying to find someone to confirm this issue | 18:03 |
| bluesabre | are you running saucy or trusty? | 18:03 |
| brainwash | one system is saucy, the other one is trusty | 18:04 |
| bluesabre | ah | 18:04 |
| bluesabre | covering all the bases ;) | 18:04 |
| brainwash | one can only suspend, the other one only hibernate :D | 18:04 |
| ochosi | so... | 18:04 |
| brainwash | basically they are totally different | 18:04 |
| ochosi | not covering all the bases ;) | 18:04 |
| bluesabre | I'm not familiar with the code, but I might take a look and see if anything sticks out to me | 18:05 |
| brainwash | if I manually lock the session, I will get redirected to vt8 _before_ entering the suspend state | 18:05 |
| brainwash | but automatically via dbus _after_ resuming | 18:06 |
| ochosi | my guess is that xfce4-session locks only after coming back from suspend | 18:06 |
| ochosi | light-locker locks it before going into suspend | 18:07 |
| ochosi | (because it seemed safer) | 18:07 |
| brainwash | xfce4-session does nothing actually, only triggering the suspend process | 18:07 |
| brainwash | xflock4 is not called | 18:07 |
| ochosi | might be a bug in the session then | 18:08 |
| bluesabre | not really a session bug, it doesn't lock by default on suspend | 18:10 |
| bluesabre | light-locker's lock activates when it detects the suspend-signal | 18:11 |
| bluesabre | but thats probably too late | 18:11 |
| bluesabre | so it locks when it comes back | 18:11 |
| bluesabre | is my guess | 18:11 |
| bluesabre | :D | 18:11 |
| ochosi | not sure, it locks on time here | 18:11 |
| ochosi | when i hit suspend, i see the lockscreen of light-locker for a split-second | 18:11 |
| bluesabre | probably a race condition | 18:11 |
| ochosi | maybe, but it has been working consistently here for a long while | 18:12 |
| ochosi | anyway, it wouldn't hurt to let the session take care of that | 18:12 |
| bluesabre | maybe we can upstream it with nick, or add an ubuntu-patch | 18:12 |
| ochosi | yeah | 18:13 |
| ochosi | i'm not at all familiar with the session code though | 18:13 |
| ochosi | also: the powermanager also handles that | 18:13 |
| ochosi | so duplocate functionality | 18:13 |
| ochosi | i think the powerman calls xflock | 18:13 |
| ochosi | (but it doesn't work with logind) | 18:14 |
| ochosi | it's a huge mess, imo | 18:14 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 18:20 |
| bluesabre | "modularity" | 18:20 |
| ochosi | :/ | 18:22 |
| ochosi | imo we should fix the powermanager | 18:22 |
| ochosi | first ubuntu-patch it | 18:22 |
| ochosi | or convince nick that it needs patching | 18:22 |
| ochosi | but we really need a fix for that for 14.04 | 18:22 |
| ochosi | at least proper logind support | 18:22 |
| brainwash | https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/X11:xfce/xfce4-power-manager | 18:29 |
| brainwash | patches do exist | 18:29 |
| brainwash | gnome-screensaver shows the "unlock" button after resume | 18:32 |
| ochosi | we should try to get those patches then... | 18:32 |
| brainwash | contact the ubuntu package maintainer | 18:33 |
| bluesabre | prtty sure that would be "Xubuntu Developers" | 18:37 |
| bluesabre | :) | 18:37 |
| ochosi | yup | 18:39 |
| forestpiskie | ok - see lock screen on way to suspending - comes back to login screen | 18:46 |
| forestpiskie | screen still blanking after 10 minutes - I assume that'll get sorted eventually | 18:47 |
| forestpiskie | back tomorrow | 18:47 |
| ochosi | forestpiskie: did you move your mouse? | 18:50 |
| ochosi | ah | 18:50 |
| ochosi | screen still blanking means: use "xset s $timeout" in your running session | 18:50 |
| ochosi | this setting doesn't get restored | 18:51 |
| ochosi | so you'd have to add it to your autostarted apps | 18:51 |
| brainwash | welcome back to 1999 :D | 19:04 |
| brainwash | ochosi: does the background of gtk3 indicator panel item become transparent occasionally? | 19:05 |
| brainwash | like full transparent | 19:06 |
| ochosi | no, not atm | 19:11 |
| jjfrv8 | brainwash, hi. Did you ever file a bug for the Abiword ruler issue? I'm seeing it with the current daily. | 19:32 |
| ochosi | and if you do, please file it against abiword :) | 19:33 |
| brainwash | jjfrv8: not yet | 19:33 |
| jjfrv8 | did you still plan to or do you want me to? | 19:33 |
| brainwash | open an extra window like the about dialog one and it will restore the ruler | 19:34 |
| brainwash | oh, the about dialog is missing an icon | 19:34 |
| ochosi | really? | 19:34 |
| brainwash | yeah, feel free to report it | 19:34 |
| ochosi | can you show me a screenshot of it? | 19:34 |
| ochosi | or is it one that abiword would usually provide | 19:34 |
| brainwash | it's showing the "image not available" one | 19:35 |
| ochosi | hm | 19:35 |
| ochosi | weird | 19:35 |
| jjfrv8 | yes | 19:35 |
| brainwash | the usual abiword strangeness | 19:35 |
| ochosi | brainwash: when you get back from hibernation, other than the lock-hint missing you can re-login to your session, right? | 19:37 |
| brainwash | yes, everything seems to work properly | 19:38 |
| ochosi | ok, so only the lock-hint is missing | 19:38 |
| ochosi | i'm talking to robert_ancell in #ubuntu-devel atm | 19:38 |
| brainwash | lightdm responds with "(null)" | 19:38 |
| ochosi | mind to join quickly and report your exp? | 19:38 |
| ochosi | just in two sentences or so | 19:39 |
| brainwash | we just need some people to test this scenario :/ | 19:48 |
| jjfrv8 | Abiword bug 1261203 | 19:48 |
| ubottu | bug 1261203 in abiword (Ubuntu) "Abiword top ruler hidden by gray area on first open" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1261203 | 19:48 |
| brainwash | jjfrv8: did you test other themes? | 19:48 |
| jjfrv8 | no, I didn't think it mattered much if you get it on a fresh install | 19:49 |
| brainwash | it seemed to work ok in Unity and Lubuntu | 19:49 |
| brainwash | but in Xubuntu/Xfce all/most themes were affected | 19:49 |
| brainwash | I will need to verify this | 19:50 |
| jjfrv8 | just tried a couple; default, bluebird. problem still there. | 19:51 |
| brainwash | which icon theme do you use? | 19:53 |
| brainwash | this is a screenshot of my abiword http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/abiword.php | 19:53 |
| jjfrv8 | the default, elementary Xfce darker | 19:53 |
| brainwash | mine looks slightly different | 19:56 |
| jjfrv8 | my first screenshot looked just like yours - I put it in the bug. Now I'm getting a slightly different one | 19:56 |
| brainwash | I cannot recall that I've changed it to something other than xfce darker | 19:57 |
| ochosi | brainwash: are you using the shimmer-daily PPA? | 19:57 |
| brainwash | no | 19:57 |
| ochosi | cause i removed the gnome-icon theme dependency there to trigger all missing icons | 19:57 |
| ochosi | so i can add them | 19:57 |
| jjfrv8 | ochosi, I am | 19:58 |
| brainwash | you mean the abiword about dialog icon? | 19:58 |
| ochosi | yup | 19:58 |
| brainwash | ok, so the change needs to be reverted? | 19:59 |
| ochosi | no, since you're not using the PPA, the bug is somewhere else | 20:00 |
| brainwash | but why isn't abiword showing its own icon/symbol? o.o | 20:00 |
| brainwash | maybe a general abiword bug | 20:00 |
| ochosi | yup | 20:01 |
| ochosi | dinner-time, bbiab | 20:01 |
| jjfrv8 | I'm off for a bit too | 20:02 |
| skellat | Anybody have time to take a peek at LP Bug #1211933 perhaps? | 20:45 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1211933 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "mkinitramfs blows up on casper dependency" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1211933 | 20:45 |
| Haythem | heeey | 20:51 |
| Haythem | anyone here ? | 20:51 |
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