[00:29] apachelogger: I has 0.8.1-1ubuntu3.2 [00:29] and it works [00:29] as in, doesn't crash when I plug in a mouse [00:33] reported and changed tags [00:33] I even tried repeatedly replugging the mouse to see it it crashes but it didn't [01:28] xnox: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1261251 thoughts would be appreciated [01:28] Ubuntu bug 1261251 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity-dm doesn't have access to /dev/dri because of missing loginctl session" [Low,New] [01:28] Quintasan: hoorayz [01:39] someone fixed 4.12 for saucy :) [01:42] Quintasan: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/akonadi/+bug/1245979 [01:42] Ubuntu bug 1245979 in akonadi (Ubuntu) "After Upgrade to Kubuntu 13.10 akondai fails to register at d-bus session, making kde-pim suit unusable" [Undecided,Confirmed] [01:42] Quintasan: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326480 [01:42] KDE bug 326480 in server "Akonadi fails to start" [Normal,Confirmed] [01:42] soee: it was broken? [01:43] apachelogger: 2 packages faild to build from what iv seen earlier [01:44] aha [01:53] two new whoopsie non-dev/QA cards in case someone wants some low hanging fruit [02:06] apachelogger: I can't get used to this damn Trello thing [02:07] add some stamps, they help [02:08] Stamps? [02:10] stickers they are called actually [02:10] oh you can't use stickers, you are njo admin [02:10] tough luck :P [02:11] I don't even know what the hell does that do [02:11] Anyways, anyone is working on the ufw-kde package? [02:11] it adds a sticker [02:11] https://trello.com/b/4zyxwgRP/14-04-documentation [02:11] the documentation l10n card has a sticker [02:11] it makes the card 100% more sticky [02:12] Quintasan: https://trello.com/c/OUuTZcud assigned and in doing so yes [02:12] you could however ask ovidiu-florin whether he let's you join :P [02:12] ovidiu-florin: You are no asleep, are you? [02:14] normal people are sleeping at this ungodly hour [02:14] two new non-dev QA cards in case someone wants to do something in that area [02:14] Unexpectedly I have to agree with you right away on that [02:20] holy shit [02:20] no wonder I still didn't finish sddm [02:21] It's a totaly debian/copyright hell [02:21] total* [02:21] * apachelogger copyrights Quintasan [02:22] * Quintasan slaps WTFPLv2 sticker onto apachelogger's forehead [02:22] * Quintasan throws bricks at apachelogger [02:22] Well, that covers "do what the fuck you want" about right [02:22] :P [02:23] also covers "concerningly rude behavior" [02:24] * Quintasan patches up apachelogger [02:24] kubotu: order beer for apachelogger [02:24] * kubotu gives apachelogger a nice frosty mug of beer. [02:24] virtual beer for a virtual brick [02:25] I won't throw real bricks at you but I can give you beer next time we shall meet [02:25] kubotu: order whisky [02:25] * kubotu throws a mighty fine glass of Balvenie Doublewood at apachelogger. [02:25] What are ye looking at? [02:25] * apachelogger waves fist at kubotu [02:25] kubotu: got a problem mate? [02:25] kubotu should respond with "No, sir." [02:26] I am reasonable certain that scottish bots don't say no sir [02:27] the correct response would be /msg chanserv op $chan /kick $nick [02:27] hmm [02:27] +1 [02:27] apachelogger: Y'know, I think this bot is going to be a damn huge box of surprise instead of being a bot [02:28] dat sounds dirty [02:28] The type of box that you kick instead of opening and when you do so it opens up and kicks you back but with iron shoes. [02:28] so, I actually wrote a plugin that allows one to use a bot to control the music played by $hostOfBot [02:28] no one using it unfortunately [02:28] kubotu: next track [02:28] not kubotu [02:29] which one? [02:29] wrote that the barca office and Riddell because apparently no one likes Riddell's sleepy music :P [02:29] *for the [02:29] lel [02:29] Actually what the hell does Riddell listen to? [02:29] rammstein [02:30] What. [02:30] >sleepy music [02:30] actually that sounds wrong [02:30] >Rammstein [02:30] I know you are not sane but that's a different story. [02:30] tranditional scottish music http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXatLOWjr-k [02:30] actually not sleep enough, you really have to wait for JR to answer [02:31] more of the soothing background music anyway [02:31] >Why Does It Always Rain On Me? [02:31] I see what you did there. [02:31] I peronsally like me some serious bass when doing haxx0ring [02:32] Quintasan: actually you should look dat up on wikipedia, I think that song has some reasonable backstory [02:32] Hell, looking at my playlist I can't figure what I like. [02:32] >He wanted to go somewhere sunny because in his hometown of Glasgow it rained all the time. In an interview at the Live 8 concert, he explained that he was spending a short holiday in the southern vacation city of Eilat in the middle of the winter.[1] The city is known for its hot weather even during winter time, but surprisingly it began to rain for two days during his stay. [02:32] was something like he went on vacation to somewhere in the middle east where it not ever rains or something and it rained for the two days he was there [02:32] wow [02:32] oh wow [02:32] >When Travis started to perform this song at the 1999 Glastonbury Festival, after being sunny for several hours, it began to rain exactly when the first line was sung. [02:32] JUST WOW [02:32] yeah [02:33] plus it's a nice tune IMO [02:33] HOW DO YOU EVEN GET HATED BY RAIN SO MUCH [02:33] xD [02:35] my playlist [02:35] >classical music [02:35] >metal [02:35] >rock [02:35] >game ost [02:35] >game ost [02:35] >metal [02:35] >more rock [02:35] >mooooooooooooore classical music [02:35] seriously [02:36] I think you just like to have noise :P [02:37] I generally listen to classical music now [02:38] I used to spam metal and rock [02:38] <- never managed to listen to tha metal [02:38] makes me all sorts of -.- [02:39] well, going to leave you with some more traditional scottish music and head to bed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM0sTNtWDiI :P [02:40] apachelogger: Night [03:22] YES! I finally got Krazy2 working. [03:23] Anybody good with cmake interested in reviewing my cmake diffs? [04:02] apachelogger: ping [05:28] shadeslayer: I haven't done git builds for some while, only from tarballs [06:57] Is there any reason we don't syn the ktp stuff other than no one has the time? [07:00] Noskcaj: is it on the list of 'stuff to do'? [07:00] like ninjas, or the trello? [07:00] idk. I know very little about the workings of kde [07:00] ok, i'll look for you [07:01] ktp=? [07:01] about 15 things on merges.ubuntu.com [07:03] ok, I see those [07:05] on http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu-buildstatus/kubuntu-buildstatus.html I see a lot of green for ktp, but that doesn't talk about versioning [07:07] debian has the same version, but it would be better to sync when possible [07:07] debian merges are being postponed for the most part though [07:07] that isn't a KDE thing, that's us [07:07] because so many changes are coming soon, it was felt it would be more work than it's worth [07:07] ok [07:08] whether that affects ktp* dunno [07:08] but after the first of the year, I assume the pace will pick up [07:09] trello is sort hard to search, but an overview of 13.10 and 14.04 boards doesn't mention ktp to my non-devel eyes [07:10] so I will assume it falls with the rest of the postponed merges [07:11] if there is a reason to get them done now rather than later, please write to the kubuntu-devel list, and I'll bet someone will pick that up [07:15] I could try and do the merges if someone wants, i've got nothing to do and it's annoying having that many things coming up on MoM for no real reason [07:17] if you know how, we can always use the help! [07:18] Noskcaj: all the links are up in the /topic [07:19] I seem to be the only person awake, but i'm rather useless for questions except what you've already asked [07:20] ok, thanks for the help [07:20] thank YOU [07:21] I love it when people walk up and offer to help [07:23] What should my username and password for http://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas be? [07:38] Now i'm going to have to wait for my pc to unfreeze from compiling stuff [07:41] Noskcaj: you'll have to create a login to Identity [07:41] http://identity.kde.org [07:41] with your realname [07:41] that same login can be used almost everywhere in KDE [07:42] note that you can have a different login name than realname [07:42] and your realname is only revealed if you explicitly allow it [08:04] valorie, Turns out i'd already made sync bugs for most of them, but all were ignored because of a tarball issue because debian make their tarballs from git [08:05] interesting [08:05] that doesn't seem like debian! [08:06] always so cautious [08:09] from a upstream release tracker in the pkg-kde git. Just as safe, but annoying for us [08:10] Riddell, PING. Any chance you could go through the ktp stuff and sync/fakesync most of it? [08:39] Good morning. [09:02] nu update kde KDE SC 4.11.4 for kubuntu 12.04? [09:02] no [09:04] who knows something about? [09:04] maximus: Isn't it in the Kubuntu-backports? [09:04] no [09:05] this the reason i'm asking about this problem [09:05] Oh right, 4.11.3. Guess the devs haven't uploaded 4.11.4 yet. [09:05] maximus: I'm waiting for 4.11.3 to get into -updates before looking at 4.11.4 [09:06] after 2 weeks? [09:06] uh huh [09:07] soon will be here 4.11.5 [09:08] maximus: are you after something in paticular or are you just wainting to be 0.0.1 better? [09:08] 4.11.4 works better [09:09] Quintasan: should ktp just synced from debian? [09:09] i have it in solydk [09:09] but i need it also in kubuntu 12.04 [09:10] what is solydk ? [09:10] http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=solydxk [09:11] interesting, http://solydxk.com/homeedition/solydk/ [09:11] apachelogger: commented, incomplete. [09:11] moar debian [09:12] this the first time i have to wait 2 weeks for kde updates [09:12] it is a shame for kubuntu [09:12] one week it's enough [09:13] maximus: have you thought about helping out? [09:13] our crew is working as fast and hard as they can [09:15] we speak about updates. what work? to put them in backports? till now they solved this problem in days not in weeks [09:15] testing, for starters [09:15] the team from solydk made this work in 2 days [09:16] we don't just package stuff up and throw it out there for users to test, unless they are alpha or beta releases [09:16] but i don't want to fight [09:16] ok thanks. i know that the backports are empty [09:17] I'm just saying, if a job is easy and quick, they get it done quickly [09:17] nobody slacking here [09:17] everything works good with this new release. to test something it takes 2-3 days. kde makes a very good work [09:20] nice to meet your downstreams [09:22] so what he was saying was: do it quickly, so I can get mine done quickly? [09:23] I sense a certain air of tapping of the quirt on his riding boot [09:23] * valorie gets out the bullwhip just in case [09:24] I wonder what solydxk does that kubuntu doesn't [09:29] sounds like they just build off of debian, so dunno [09:29] and maybe use LTS kub. packages? [09:29] pfff [09:30] http://userbase.kde.org/Amarok/Manual/Playlist/SavedPlaylists [09:30] maybe [09:31] it is always nice to hear of another downstream but would be nicer to be introduced when not being blamed [09:31] let me export a playlist and put it in my dropbox for ya [09:31] oops, wrong channel for that, sorry [09:31] Riddell: indeed [09:31] "In November 2012 Linux Mint took the decision not to maintain a KDE version of LMDE and to stop maintaining the Xfce version.[4] SolydXK was started with emphasis on the two desktop environments." [09:31] aah so it could be seen as being a new Linux Mint KDE [09:43] gah who was that guy? [09:45] Maximus from the Gladiator film! [10:39] Riddell: so it's a derivate of a derivate of a derivate? [10:39] rather fancy [10:40] come to think of it, how/why does something based on LMDE use our packages? Oo [10:42] man dat distrowatch is useless as a metric [10:49] apachelogger: distrowatch's 'popularity' metric is more accurately their Google SEO ranking for each distro page [10:50] new python qt/kde programming card for minor fixes to usb-creator (also lowhanging fruit) [10:50] unicodesnowman: yeah [10:50] it's mighty pointless, that's what it is [10:51] it would actually be (slightly) useful if they calculated useragents [10:54] how so? [11:11] as in instead of the most visitors to a page, it uses useragents of visitors of the site to determine popularity [11:25] unicodesnowman: metrics would still be skewed because the majority of users will not ever go to such a site unless it shows up as one of the first hits in a very generic linuxy search [11:26] that being said the only units capable of producing reliable metrics on intertubes-using-linux-machines would be the search sites themselves [11:27] but people using privacy focused distros might not connect to the internet / use a particular search engine. it's quite difficult, if not impossible to get non-secrewed data [11:29] Riddell, shadeslayer: didn't we fix startkde not workign on trusty? [11:31] I don't know :( [11:34] hm [11:35] apparenlty stuff is running, I just get nothing but a cursor [11:35] Oo [12:01] my 13.10 iso says 12.04 in the installer [12:01] Oo [12:02] maybe there is a bug in usb-creator === soee_ is now known as soee === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter [12:55] agateau: http://i.imgur.com/Al3gVM0.png [12:55] width works in .10 [12:55] but I think the slideshow shouldn't scale down [12:55] shoudl be a fixed size frame thingy IMHO [12:56] otherwise as we can see the icon of the slide is too far away from the text [12:56] you mean the kubuntu logo at the bottom right in your screenshot? [12:57] yes [12:58] I think we should put fixed size constraints on the slideshows (as implicitly was the case previously/in other flavors) [12:58] the problem is: if we don't fill the height then the truncated blurry reflection will look odd there [12:58] and so it does not look silly maybe paint a sunk qframe with white background or somesuch nonesense [12:58] agateau: TBH the reflection always looked odd to me ;) [12:59] also qframe+background may help with the oddness [12:59] I would agree with you, but only if we can fix the slideshow images to not have cropped parts [12:59] I am not fond of using a frame [12:59] just give it a try please :P [12:59] but yeah, we have cards to revise slideshow nonsense already [12:59] might as well change the icons as part of those [13:01] apachelogger: Howdy :) [13:01] Did you understand what I meant about the size of my change? [13:02] https://github.com/manchicken/libqapt/blob/master/ChangeLog [13:03] ahoy, you mean spaceships! [13:03] At least shuttles. [13:03] manchicken: poke apol on #kde-devel what he prefers [13:03] some people also like to use reviewboard for huge ass diffs because of the commenting feature etc. [13:05] I am completely unaware of the review boad. [13:05] board even [13:05] I know it's a thing, but I've never worked with it before. [13:05] basically git diff, upload to git.reviewboard.kde.org and fill out the review information (target branch, people to review etc.) [13:06] It seems like everybody is saying that's the route I should take, so I'm working in that direction. Right now I'm more worried about whittling down the list of items I'm going to have pop out so I can save everybody some time. [13:06] Also, if everybody thinks these changes are a bad idea, it'd be good to get that out of the way sooner rather than later :) [13:06] That's cool [13:07] That seems very similar to what we do with bzr merge requests. [13:07] Hey folks [13:08] apachelogger: shadeslayer also seems like an interested party. He seems to be doing some Qt5 porting work. [13:08] BluesKaj: Hiya [13:09] manchicken: simply add him to the reviewers then ;) [13:10] hi manchicken [13:11] !testers | 4.12.0 in ninjas [13:11] 4.12.0 in ninjas: Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56, parad1se for information [13:11] Sick_Rimmit: you a tester too? [13:13] Riddell, shadeslayer: which host runs qa.kubuntu.co.uk and do I have access to that? [13:13] Riddell: The ninja ppa is still yofel's private ppa? If so, I'll run a test this evening. [13:13] apachelogger: docs.kubuntu [13:13] k [13:14] lordievader: it's kubuntu-ninjas private PPA [13:14] apachelogger: hmm you don't seem to have an account on it [13:14] apachelogger: give me preferred username if you want one [13:15] Riddell: not needed right now, was just looking for a test machine [13:15] going to use a blue systems one [13:16] Riddell: isnt kopete still building ? [13:21] soee: in saucy yes [13:21] Riddell, I'm here :) [13:23] what's up ? === 6JTAAVX6H is now known as rexxster [14:03] BluesKaj: we need 4.12.0 tested [14:05] Riddell, Platform Version 4.11.97 ? [14:09] BluesKaj: no, 4.12.0 [14:09] BluesKaj: it's in kubuntu-ninjas [14:22] Riddell: sausy ready ? [14:22] *c [14:24] what is the status of khtml? I see it being ported to frameworks 5. Does maintining khtml still make sense (as I understand it can't keep up with webkit/blin) [14:24] soee: yes it's ready for testing [14:25] and applications like kmail etc. support kpart-webkit as a replacement, so one may ask why all the duplicate effort? [14:25] tester56__: probably not but this is free software and as long as people work on it then it happens [14:25] tester56__: I agree it's a waste of effort, but for KF5 the policy is to maintain source compatibility if possible and in this case it's possible [14:26] Riddell: do all kde applications support webkit? [14:29] does anyone know if there are plans for supporting blink along with webkit in kpart? [14:36] Riddell, binary packages of 4.12 Release Candidate (internally 4.11.97) , is this different ? , http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.12-rc.php , because I don't see anything about KDE 4.12 on kubunyu-ninjas [14:37] er kubuntu-ninjas [14:39] already running 4.11.97 [14:45] tester56__: I don't know if all applications support webkit I'm afraid [14:45] tester56__: it's too early for plans for blink yet [14:45] BluesKaj_: kubuntu-ninjas PPA has 4.12.0 packages. if you don't see them you're not using kubuntu-ninjas ppa [15:06] 14.04 deadlines board is now called deadlines&quality control [15:06] to more accurately reflect the content [15:08] it still sounds ominous [15:08] how about Ministry for Truth and Completion? :) [15:09] lol [15:25] ScottK: around to quiz mitya57? === cmagina_ is now known as cmagina [15:48] congratulations to mitya57 for getting upload rights to sip and pyqt, just when there's a new sip release needing merged in [16:00] Riddell: thanks again, hopefully I'll be able to do that soon (also, it's a minor release, no hurry here) [16:01] mitya57: interesting how you're into both Qt and Gnome, not a combination that usually goes together :) === G4MBY2 is now known as PaulW2U [16:04] Riddell: well, I'm mostly moving away from GNOME now [16:05] But I have some Ubuntu GNOME/Unity installations deployed, which I need to support :) [16:05] (Don't worry, Kubuntu is there too :P) === G4MBY2 is now known as PaulW2U === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler === claydoh_ is now known as Guest41313 [16:52] Riddell: saucy update without single problem [16:57] soee: to 4.12.0 ? [16:57] Riddell: yes [16:57] awesome [17:00] hey anyone else hit a bug where if your screensaver comes on due to inactivity (as opposed to choosing to lock), the lock screeen can be dismissed simply by moving the mouse? === Guest41313 is now known as claydoh [17:00] it's showing me the lock screen, there's a space to type my password, but as soon as i move the mouse, it unlocks [17:01] maco: yes, known bug [17:01] kk [17:01] or crappy usability [17:01] as in it shouldnt show the password box til its properly locked? [17:01] system settings -> display and monitor-> screen locker -> start automatically -> require password [17:39] Riddell, can't find the ninja ppa with kde 4.12 , guess i need username and pw , got an accessible url ? [17:49] soee, do you have it ? [17:50] BluesKaj_: ypu [17:51] soee, can you post it , in a pm perhaps ? [17:52] oh , that's for saucy , i assumed it was for trusty [17:52] BluesKaj_: got it ? [17:53] ah no :D [17:53] ok [17:53] running trusty here [18:49] Riddell: 4.12 installed fine on Trusty. Rebooted and saw nothing strange. Should I write a report somewhere or is this enough? [18:50] I said it yesterday, but nearly all of the ktp packages can be synced. It might have to be a fakesync because debian build their tarballs from a release tracking git === rdieter_work is now known as rdieter [19:43] Riddell: ping [21:12] helllo [21:13] is kubuntu working with non pae cpu ?? [21:13] olivier___, I'm pretty sure no ubuntu flavours support non-pae [21:14] There is a custom lubuntu release and a number of other distros like crunchbang that do [21:14] ok... i am gonna check that .... thanks noskcaj [21:15] bye bye [21:17] Noskcaj: I was told that Xubuntu 12.04 also uses a non-pae kernel. [21:17] Maybe. Wouldn't that mean all of 12.04 did? [21:18] Noskcaj: I thought Kubuntu uses the pae kernel per default. [21:18] http://xubuntu.org/news/12-04-release/ [21:18] "The i386 images use a non-PAE kernel. The non-PAE kernel will not be available in future Xubuntu releases." [21:18] interesting [21:56] actually, our 12.04.0 release should be non-pae, in the other ones I'm not sure. IIRC something broke there [22:06] jose: pong [22:06] Riddell: hey, the guy from UDS-R here, wanted to check if you could please assign a task I claimed on GCI [22:08] UDS-R? there were lots of guys there :) [22:08] jose: awesome, assigned! [22:09] you want to bzr branch lp:~kubuntu-website/kubuntu-website/kubuntu.org [22:09] Riddell: yeah, I called you for your interview if you remember :) [22:09] you made me famous :) [22:10] haha [22:10] Riddell: so, I don't know if you could please be a bit more specific on what needs to be done [22:10] I have some time now to do it [22:11] jose: yeah let's look at it [22:12] branched [22:13] jose: so because our website setup is so crap images can't be attached to a page but need to be in the theme which you just branched [22:14] jose: do you have a launchpad account id? [22:14] Riddell: jose should be it [22:16] jose: groovy, I added you to https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-website [22:16] so you can commit or push directly there [22:16] cool [22:16] I'd still go for a MP before :P [22:17] jose: just sent you access details for the website [22:17] checking that [22:20] jose: your task is to update kubuntu.org/feature-tour [22:20] jose: no major changed needed as you noted but some of it is out of date [22:21] jose: I started already on kubuntu.org/feature-tour-new [22:21] which you can edit at https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/node/302/edit [22:22] let's be honest - I don't find any differences between one or the other [22:22] just looked them side by side [22:22] jose: yeah because I updated some of the images in the theme but that didn't get synced to the server yet [22:23] as I say our website setup is a bit crappy [22:23] jose: so your task is to work out what images I've already updated and make sure they're sane then update all the rest [22:24] jose: are you running 13.10? (or even better Trusty?) [22:24] stuck with raring [22:24] but I can download trusty for sure [22:24] hmm I don't even know if the trust images are working todayhttps://www-admin.kubuntu.org/node/302/edit [22:25] tsk, bad paste [22:25] hmm I don't even know if the trusty images are working today [22:25] jose: can you download saucy and install that (to a virtual machine is fine)? [22:25] yeppers, doing that now [22:26] I seem to have done images down to "Surf the Internet safely" so from there on you need to retake the screenshorts [22:26] or take better ones if you think they're not relevant or very interesting [22:27] also we just changed Trusty from rekonq to Firefox by default so you can change the text there [22:27] mhm, I'll finish downloading the image and start doing that [22:27] you're @ London, right? [22:28] Edinburgh :) [22:28] but same timezone (until next year at least) [22:28] hi [22:29] I have a kinda dumb question... will Kubuntu run on an old MAC? [22:30] Riddell: cool, I'm UTC -5 so I'll poke you during your afternoon if needed :) [22:30] mikeinsandpoint: it depends on the model [22:30] an 8500? [22:32] ooh a classic. no I'm afraid that'll be too old [22:33] what about a G4 flowerpot? [22:35] honestly no idea,you can try to download our 12.04 powerpc image and try it http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/12.04/release/ [22:36] "Kontact integrates seamlessly with your address book and our productivity suite." does it? how does it intergrate into libreoffice? [22:37] jose: I think you can reword that sentence [22:37]