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bdrung_work!dmb-ping14:58
ubottubdrung, ScottK, Laney, micahg, barry, tumbleweed, stgraber: DMB ping14:58
bdrung_workcan someone let me in our channel?14:59
Laneyhi15:00
Laneycan't you auth to nickserv?15:00
bdrung_worknot with this nick name.15:01
stgraberbdrung_work: try now15:03
bdrung_workstgraber: thanks15:03
laney_just checked: /msg nickserv identify nick password works15:04
Laneyanyway. ScottK is supposed to chair according to wiki15:04
bdrung_worki didn't tried to pass my nick there too15:04
* barry waves to ScottK 15:08
IdleOneyup, you can identify to your account no matter the nick you are using (provided that nick is not already registered by someone else)15:08
mitya57o/15:14
mitya57Is the DMB meeting happening?15:14
LaneyI think there should be enough people15:15
Laneythe order of the chairs is ScottK tumbleweed stgraber barry bdrung_work15:16
barryLaney: so i guess that would make stgraber up next?15:16
stgraber#startmeeting DMB15:17
meetingologyMeeting started Mon Dec 16 15:17:16 2013 UTC.  The chair is stgraber. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.15:17
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stgraber#topic review of past action items15:17
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stgrabermicahg to restructure PPU teams.15:17
stgraberI'm assuming nothing changed there, carried to next meeting.15:18
stgraberDiscussion of skipping of Dec 30 2013 meeting on ML15:18
stgraberthis was discussed and the meeting of the 30th will be skipped.15:18
stgraber#topic Per Package Uploader Applications15:18
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bdrung_work+1 for skipping the Dec 30 meeting15:18
barrynext meeting after today is 13 jan15:19
stgraber#topic Dmitry Shachnev for PPU of: python-markdown, python-keyring, python-secretstorage, python-docutils, python-qt4, sip4, sphinx and the QT5 packageset15:19
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mitya57o/ again15:19
stgraberhi mitya57, can you please introduce yourself and your application?15:20
mitya57Of course15:20
mitya57I am Dmitry Shachnev, user of Ubuntu since some ancient version, developing since ~Natty. I am interested in a big bunch of stuff, including Python, Qt, JS, GNOME and KDE.15:21
mitya57For the packages listed (^), I am not the primary maintainer.15:22
mitya57Most of them (except sphinx and sip4 I think) are now in sync with Debian.15:22
mitya57s/not/now/15:22
mitya57For some of them I am also upstream co-developer (i.e. for python-keyring)15:23
mitya57And I also contribute to upstream Qt (have made ~13 commits)15:23
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mitya57Well, I think that will be enough, the details are in the application15:24
mitya57https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DmitryShachnev/PPUApplication15:24
Riddellmitya57: what have you done with sip4 and pyqt?15:25
mitya57Riddell: ScottK asked me to help with maintaining them, I think I've done one sip4 upload and two python-qt4 uploads15:25
Laneymitya57: thanks15:26
Laneyare you in the Debian teams for all of these things?15:26
mitya57I am also maintaining pyqt5, but it is in universe, so I can already upload it in Ubuntu15:26
mitya57Laney: yes15:26
barrymitya57: why ppu and not core-dev yet?15:27
Laneylolz, tumbleweed is your AM15:27
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mitya57barry: I don't know :)15:27
barry:)15:27
barrymitya57: for the record, i've been very happy with all your contributions to python.  thanks!15:28
Riddellmitya57: any plan for sip 4.15.3?15:28
Laneyregarding your "Things I don't like" - not all of it is due to a lack of communication15:29
mitya57Riddell: oh, it just needs a trivial merge15:29
mitya57Will do when I get upload rights :)15:29
Riddellgroovy, mitya57 gets my +1 :)15:29
LaneyRiddell in joining the DMB shocker15:29
Laneyanyway, sometimes there are general technical / design differences15:30
Laneyand there are pockets of great collaboration even within communities like GNOME imo, but it's obviously quite a way from perfect15:31
Laneywhat do you think we could do there?15:31
mitya57Laney: actually, that what-i-dont-like-in-ubuntu section is quite difficult to fill in15:31
LaneyI do like what you put though15:31
Laneyas someone who calls out not-coordinated work and not-forwarded patches from time to time15:32
mitya57I think we should get more people testing unstable GNOME and pointing out issues, and discussing these issues with upstream15:32
Laneya lot of people are just resigned to the projects being different these days15:32
Laneythe collaboration on the library level is better15:33
Laneybut Ubuntu GNOME is good in this regard too15:33
mitya57Yes, but the Gtk's CSDs stuff looks like nobody tested it under Unity before 3.10 was released15:33
mitya57(Gtk is a library :P)15:34
Laneyyeah I was thinking of that15:34
Laneyquite a few changes came from the pre-upload testing15:34
Laneystill, the basic problem is that we were testing something after it was already baked15:34
Laneyahem, I'll stop rambling15:35
Laneyanyone else?15:35
Laneywell, I'm ready to vote :-)15:36
bdrung_work_no, everything is answered already.15:36
bdrung_work_i am ready to vote.15:36
* barry too15:36
Laneystgraber:15:36
stgraberLaney: 1sec15:37
stgraber#vote Dmitry Shachnev for PPU of: python-markdown, python-keyring, python-secretstorage, python-docutils, python-qt4, sip4, sphinx and the QT5 packageset15:38
meetingologyPlease vote on: Dmitry Shachnev for PPU of: python-markdown, python-keyring, python-secretstorage, python-docutils, python-qt4, sip4, sphinx and the QT5 packageset15:38
meetingologyPublic votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)15:38
Laney+115:39
bdrung_work_+115:39
meetingology+1 received from Laney15:39
meetingology+1 received from bdrung_work_15:39
barry+1 [keep going!  i hope to see core-dev app soon]15:39
meetingology+1 [keep going!  i hope to see core-dev app soon] received from barry15:39
stgraber+115:39
meetingology+1 received from stgraber15:39
stgraber#endvote15:40
meetingologyVoting ended on: Dmitry Shachnev for PPU of: python-markdown, python-keyring, python-secretstorage, python-docutils, python-qt4, sip4, sphinx and the QT5 packageset15:40
meetingologyVotes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:015:40
meetingologyMotion carried15:40
stgraber#action stgraber to get webops to add the new PPU and add qt5 membership15:40
meetingologyACTION: stgraber to get webops to add the new PPU and add qt5 membership15:40
Laneyyou can add the membership yourself15:40
Laneyunless I'm parsing that wrong15:40
Laneymitya57: congrats!15:41
mitya57barry: UCD application in my todo list after becoming a DD :)15:41
mitya57Laney & everybody: thanks!15:41
barrymitya57: \o/  hopefully it won't take you as long for DD as it did for me :)15:41
LaneyUCD is something else15:41
stgraberLaney: right, I'll add the membership myself15:42
Laney(contributing developer)15:42
Laneybeware of applying for that15:42
Laney:P15:42
dholbachmitya57, congratulations!15:42
mitya57dholbach: danke!15:42
dholbach:)15:42
mitya57Laney: names conflict, that is15:42
Laneyeveryone just says core-dev15:42
stgraber#topic Graham Inggs for MOTU15:42
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ginggshi15:43
stgraberginggs: hey there, can you introduce yourself and your application please?15:43
ginggsI'm Graham Inggs, I've been an Ubuntu user since 2007/2008 and have been contributing since 201215:43
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dholbachginggs, sorry for not getting to update your application - just for the completeness' sake I'd like to point out that I was VERY happy with Graham's work, if there were ever issues, Graham was very quick to resolve them, coordinate with Debian and Upstreams, huge +1 from me15:44
mitya57Let me also give a +1 to ginggs if you don't mind :)15:45
barryginggs: hi.  in your endorsements section, there is a criticism about "over-eagerness to sru".  what's your criteria for deciding whether to sru a fix or not?15:46
ginggsIf it affects a lot of users or the fix is trivial, I'll try for an SRU15:47
barryginggs: do you think the effort to sru fixes is too high, too low, or just right?15:49
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ginggsI would say it's just right; it's not so easy as to make one want to SRU everything, and it's not so difficult as to make one avoid it altogether15:51
LaneyDo you keep up with the testing status of things you have SRUed?15:54
LaneySometimes things can linger in -proposed15:54
ginggsyes, I usually give other people a chance to test and if no responses after 7 days I will test again myself and change the verification status15:56
barryginggs: i notice the conflict regarding sru's between your endorsement feedback and your comment about "what i like least in ubuntu".  how do you resolve these two viewpoints?15:56
ginggsI don't think it will make me want to SRU any less, but if I had upload rights at least my uploads wouldn't be taking up the sponsors team's time16:01
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bdrung_workginggs: did your SRUs had any regressions?16:01
ginggs i don't believe so16:02
stgraberginggs: are you subscribed to ubuntu-devel-announce?16:07
ginggsnot yet, no16:07
stgrabercan you please make sure you are?16:07
ginggswill do16:07
stgraberalso. Some packages in universe are seeded and require extra care at specific times of the cycle. Can you tell me how to check whether a package is seeded or not, when to be careful about those and how to check what images may be affected?16:08
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ginggscan check with seeded-in-ubuntu and need to be careful with seeded packages after beta freeze16:11
ginggsnot sure offhand how to check which image16:12
stgrabernot only after beta freeze, there are milestones before that (such as this week)16:12
stgraberseeded-in-ubuntu is pretty reliable at telling you which image16:13
stgrabereveryone ready to vote?16:13
Laneyyup16:13
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stgraber#vote ginggs for MOTU16:14
stgrabermeetingology seems dead, so don't wait for it :)16:15
Laney+116:16
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bdrung_work_+116:19
tumbleweed+1 [ sorry I missed the rest of the meeting ]16:20
stgraber+116:21
stgraber#endvote16:21
stgraber#action stgraber to add ginggs to the relevant teams16:21
dholbachginggs, congratulations! :)16:21
tumbleweedginggs: \o/16:21
stgraberthe chair for our next meeting (January 13th) will be tumbleweed16:21
stgraber#topic AOB16:22
stgraberanything?16:22
Laneyit should be ScottK since he missed this one16:22
stgraberoh, good point16:22
stgraberI'll just move myself at the back of the rotation, that should do it16:23
barrystgraber: yep16:23
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stgraber#endmeeting16:24
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meetingologyMeeting ended Mon Dec 16 16:24:33 2013 UTC.16:24
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barrystgraber: thanks!16:24
stgraberoh and now meetingology works... :)16:24
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tumbleweedwell, he missed a bit16:25
Laneythanks!16:26
Laney& yay for new motus16:26
tumbleweedyeah, that's getting rare16:27
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Laneyginggs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/New (please update it with new things as you learn them)16:28
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jdstrandhi!16:45
mdeslaur\o16:45
mdeslaurhi16:45
tyhickshello16:45
jdstrand#startmeeting16:45
meetingologyMeeting started Mon Dec 16 16:46:00 2013 UTC.  The chair is jdstrand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.16:45
meetingologyAvailable commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired16:45
jdstrandThe meeting agenda can be found at:16:45
jdstrand[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting16:45
jdstrand[TOPIC] Announcements16:46
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jdstrandDue to the EOY leave, the next security team meeting will be 2014/01/0616:46
jdstrand[TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report16:47
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jdstrandI'll go first16:47
jdstrandI'm on triage this week16:47
jdstrandI'll be here all week this week!16:47
jdstrand(try the veal)16:47
mdeslaur\o/16:47
jdstrandbut, I'm off the next two weeks16:47
mdeslaurslacker16:47
mdeslaur:)16:47
jdstrandhehe16:47
jdstrandI've got some pending updates16:48
jdstrandand a few work items around apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu that I am working on16:48
jdstrandI dug into oxide testing last week and started developing policy for apparmor policy version 1.1 for it16:48
jdstrandchris is off til the end of the year, so I'll mention that the packaging is all together for it, and it builds for all archs16:49
mdeslauroh, that's awesome :)16:49
jdstrandit fails at runtime on armhf which we think is due to a compile-time option surrounding neon16:50
jdstrandthe navigation api is reviewed and I think will be committed soon16:50
jdstrandso it is really coming along. I've got a todo this week to communicate this to other stakeholders (and an oxide meeting too)16:51
jdstrandI think that's it for me16:51
jdstrandmdeslaur: you're up16:51
mdeslaurI'm on community this week16:51
mdeslaurI have a couple of updates pending, I'm in the final stages of testing16:51
mdeslaurand I'll continue going down the list, as usual.16:52
mdeslaurthat's about it from me16:52
mdeslaurhrm, sbeattie isn't here16:52
mdeslaurtyhicks: you're up16:52
tyhicksI've got some carry over from last week16:52
tyhicksI got hung up for a little too long on an issue where the emulator fails the executable stack test of test-kernel-security.py16:53
tyhicksI spent quite a bit of time on it and I've convinced myself that it is an emulator bug because everything works fine on maguro16:53
jjohansen1ickky16:54
jdstrandtyhicks: interesting-- can you file it if you haven't already? it would be good to get the emulator fixed so that other teams don't get tripped up16:54
tyhicksI've built final goldfish, manta, and mako kernels and need to do some quick testing and then send off the patches16:54
tyhicksjdstrand: sure, that's a good idea16:54
jdstrandtyhicks: oh, maguro, interesting-- do we have access to that device on the team?16:54
jjohansen1jdstrand: ? I've got one16:55
tyhicksoh no16:55
tyhicksI was wrong about the code name16:55
tyhicksI meant grouper16:55
jdstrandjjohansen1: ah right, you have nearly everything :)16:55
jdstrandok16:55
* tyhicks has another shot of coffee16:55
jdstrandheh16:55
tyhicksafter that, I'll be on user data encryption16:56
jjohansen1jdstrand: no no, please forget I ever mentioned uh, never mind ;)16:56
tyhickswell, there is one problem16:56
tyhicksI can't test the manta and mako kernels16:56
tyhicksbut I also don't want to bog down jj16:56
tyhicksI think testing in the emulator is sufficient, though16:57
jdstrandI have a mako. chris has a manta16:57
jdstrand(though chris is off this week)16:57
jdstrandtyhicks: if you need me, holler16:57
tyhicksall mako and manta get are some backported yama patches since their kernel configs were already hardened correctly16:57
tyhicksok16:57
tyhicksI'll think about it some more16:57
tyhicksthat's it for me16:57
tyhicksjjohansen1: you're up16:57
jjohansen1I'm working on apparmor again this week, I've got some testing work to coordinate with sbeattie around dfa and permission changes, and yes ipc work.16:59
jjohansen1And I'm fixing another invalidation bug that keeps taking down anything using a compound label16:59
jjohansen1so files, sockets, ..., stacking pretty much everything17:00
* jjohansen1 sighs17:00
sarnold:(17:00
jjohansen1well I think thats it from me, sarnold your up17:02
sarnoldI'm in the happy place this week17:04
sarnoldI'm all caught up on the apparmor patches (I think) so I'm moving on to the MIR audits, it's amazing how quicklyu they pile up when I'm not looking..17:05
jdstrandyes...17:05
tyhickssounds like it is about time to write some more apparmor patches17:05
tyhicks;)17:05
jdstrandhah17:06
sarnoldhaha :)17:06
sarnoldI started reading the developer.ubuntu.com docs last night and found a handful of problems that I'll file some bugreports for.. it's amazing how much is done already :) woo.17:07
sarnoldI think that's me covered, jdstrand back to you17:07
jdstrandsarnold: are these security bugs or just regular bugs?17:08
sarnoldjdstrand: regular bugs :) woot17:08
jdstrandok, good :)17:08
jdstrand[TOPIC] Highlighted packages17:08
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jdstrandThe Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.17:08
jdstrandSee https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.17:08
jdstrandhttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/rawstudio.html17:08
jdstrandhttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/nagstamon.html17:09
jdstrandhttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/slim.html17:09
jdstrandhttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/ruby-passenger.html17:09
jdstrandhttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/autotrace.html17:09
jdstrand[TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions17:09
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jdstrandDoes anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?17:09
mdeslaurjdstrand: we need to talk about who is doing watch during the holidays17:09
jdstrandmdeslaur: yeah, I added that to my todo this morning17:09
mdeslaurcool17:10
jdstrandmdeslaur: thanks for reminding me17:10
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jdstrandmdeslaur, tyhicks, jjohansen1, sarnold: thanks!17:14
jdstrand#endmeeting17:14
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meetingologyMeeting ended Mon Dec 16 17:14:36 2013 UTC.17:14
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sarnoldthanks jdstrand!17:14
jjohansen1thanks jdstrand17:14
mdeslaurthanks jdstrand!17:14
jdstrand:)17:14
tyhicksthanks!17:16
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