[14:58] <bdrung_work> !dmb-ping
[14:59] <bdrung_work> can someone let me in our channel?
[15:00] <Laney> hi
[15:00] <Laney> can't you auth to nickserv?
[15:01] <bdrung_work> not with this nick name.
[15:03] <stgraber> bdrung_work: try now
[15:03] <bdrung_work> stgraber: thanks
[15:04] <laney_> just checked: /msg nickserv identify nick password works
[15:04] <Laney> anyway. ScottK is supposed to chair according to wiki
[15:04] <bdrung_work> i didn't tried to pass my nick there too
[15:08]  * barry waves to ScottK 
[15:08] <IdleOne> yup, you can identify to your account no matter the nick you are using (provided that nick is not already registered by someone else)
[15:14] <mitya57> o/
[15:14] <mitya57> Is the DMB meeting happening?
[15:15] <Laney> I think there should be enough people
[15:16] <Laney> the order of the chairs is ScottK tumbleweed stgraber barry bdrung_work
[15:16] <barry> Laney: so i guess that would make stgraber up next?
[15:17] <stgraber> #startmeeting DMB
[15:17] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Dec 16 15:17:16 2013 UTC.  The chair is stgraber. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:17] <stgraber> #topic review of past action items
[15:17] <stgraber> micahg to restructure PPU teams.
[15:18] <stgraber> I'm assuming nothing changed there, carried to next meeting.
[15:18] <stgraber> Discussion of skipping of Dec 30 2013 meeting on ML
[15:18] <stgraber> this was discussed and the meeting of the 30th will be skipped.
[15:18] <stgraber> #topic Per Package Uploader Applications
[15:18] <bdrung_work> +1 for skipping the Dec 30 meeting
[15:19] <barry> next meeting after today is 13 jan
[15:19] <stgraber> #topic Dmitry Shachnev for PPU of: python-markdown, python-keyring, python-secretstorage, python-docutils, python-qt4, sip4, sphinx and the QT5 packageset
[15:19] <mitya57> o/ again
[15:20] <stgraber> hi mitya57, can you please introduce yourself and your application?
[15:20] <mitya57> Of course
[15:21] <mitya57> I am Dmitry Shachnev, user of Ubuntu since some ancient version, developing since ~Natty. I am interested in a big bunch of stuff, including Python, Qt, JS, GNOME and KDE.
[15:22] <mitya57> For the packages listed (^), I am not the primary maintainer.
[15:22] <mitya57> Most of them (except sphinx and sip4 I think) are now in sync with Debian.
[15:22] <mitya57> s/not/now/
[15:23] <mitya57> For some of them I am also upstream co-developer (i.e. for python-keyring)
[15:23] <mitya57> And I also contribute to upstream Qt (have made ~13 commits)
[15:24] <mitya57> Well, I think that will be enough, the details are in the application
[15:24] <mitya57> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DmitryShachnev/PPUApplication
[15:25] <Riddell> mitya57: what have you done with sip4 and pyqt?
[15:25] <mitya57> Riddell: ScottK asked me to help with maintaining them, I think I've done one sip4 upload and two python-qt4 uploads
[15:26] <Laney> mitya57: thanks
[15:26] <Laney> are you in the Debian teams for all of these things?
[15:26] <mitya57> I am also maintaining pyqt5, but it is in universe, so I can already upload it in Ubuntu
[15:26] <mitya57> Laney: yes
[15:27] <barry> mitya57: why ppu and not core-dev yet?
[15:27] <Laney> lolz, tumbleweed is your AM
[15:27] <mitya57> barry: I don't know :)
[15:27] <barry> :)
[15:28] <barry> mitya57: for the record, i've been very happy with all your contributions to python.  thanks!
[15:28] <Riddell> mitya57: any plan for sip 4.15.3?
[15:29] <Laney> regarding your "Things I don't like" - not all of it is due to a lack of communication
[15:29] <mitya57> Riddell: oh, it just needs a trivial merge
[15:29] <mitya57> Will do when I get upload rights :)
[15:29] <Riddell> groovy, mitya57 gets my +1 :)
[15:29] <Laney> Riddell in joining the DMB shocker
[15:30] <Laney> anyway, sometimes there are general technical / design differences
[15:31] <Laney> and there are pockets of great collaboration even within communities like GNOME imo, but it's obviously quite a way from perfect
[15:31] <Laney> what do you think we could do there?
[15:31] <mitya57> Laney: actually, that what-i-dont-like-in-ubuntu section is quite difficult to fill in
[15:31] <Laney> I do like what you put though
[15:32] <Laney> as someone who calls out not-coordinated work and not-forwarded patches from time to time
[15:32] <mitya57> I think we should get more people testing unstable GNOME and pointing out issues, and discussing these issues with upstream
[15:32] <Laney> a lot of people are just resigned to the projects being different these days
[15:33] <Laney> the collaboration on the library level is better
[15:33] <Laney> but Ubuntu GNOME is good in this regard too
[15:33] <mitya57> Yes, but the Gtk's CSDs stuff looks like nobody tested it under Unity before 3.10 was released
[15:34] <mitya57> (Gtk is a library :P)
[15:34] <Laney> yeah I was thinking of that
[15:34] <Laney> quite a few changes came from the pre-upload testing
[15:34] <Laney> still, the basic problem is that we were testing something after it was already baked
[15:35] <Laney> ahem, I'll stop rambling
[15:35] <Laney> anyone else?
[15:36] <Laney> well, I'm ready to vote :-)
[15:36] <bdrung_work_> no, everything is answered already.
[15:36] <bdrung_work_> i am ready to vote.
[15:36]  * barry too
[15:36] <Laney> stgraber:
[15:37] <stgraber> Laney: 1sec
[15:38] <stgraber> #vote Dmitry Shachnev for PPU of: python-markdown, python-keyring, python-secretstorage, python-docutils, python-qt4, sip4, sphinx and the QT5 packageset
[15:38] <meetingology> Please vote on: Dmitry Shachnev for PPU of: python-markdown, python-keyring, python-secretstorage, python-docutils, python-qt4, sip4, sphinx and the QT5 packageset
[15:38] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[15:39] <Laney> +1
[15:39] <bdrung_work_> +1
[15:39] <meetingology> +1 received from Laney
[15:39] <meetingology> +1 received from bdrung_work_
[15:39] <barry> +1 [keep going!  i hope to see core-dev app soon]
[15:39] <meetingology> +1 [keep going!  i hope to see core-dev app soon] received from barry
[15:39] <stgraber> +1
[15:39] <meetingology> +1 received from stgraber
[15:40] <stgraber> #endvote
[15:40] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Dmitry Shachnev for PPU of: python-markdown, python-keyring, python-secretstorage, python-docutils, python-qt4, sip4, sphinx and the QT5 packageset
[15:40] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[15:40] <meetingology> Motion carried
[15:40] <stgraber> #action stgraber to get webops to add the new PPU and add qt5 membership
[15:40] <meetingology> ACTION: stgraber to get webops to add the new PPU and add qt5 membership
[15:40] <Laney> you can add the membership yourself
[15:40] <Laney> unless I'm parsing that wrong
[15:41] <Laney> mitya57: congrats!
[15:41] <mitya57> barry: UCD application in my todo list after becoming a DD :)
[15:41] <mitya57> Laney & everybody: thanks!
[15:41] <barry> mitya57: \o/  hopefully it won't take you as long for DD as it did for me :)
[15:41] <Laney> UCD is something else
[15:42] <stgraber> Laney: right, I'll add the membership myself
[15:42] <Laney> (contributing developer)
[15:42] <Laney> beware of applying for that
[15:42] <Laney> :P
[15:42] <dholbach> mitya57, congratulations!
[15:42] <mitya57> dholbach: danke!
[15:42] <dholbach> :)
[15:42] <mitya57> Laney: names conflict, that is
[15:42] <Laney> everyone just says core-dev
[15:42] <stgraber> #topic Graham Inggs for MOTU
[15:43] <ginggs> hi
[15:43] <stgraber> ginggs: hey there, can you introduce yourself and your application please?
[15:43] <ginggs> I'm Graham Inggs, I've been an Ubuntu user since 2007/2008 and have been contributing since 2012
[15:44] <dholbach> ginggs, sorry for not getting to update your application - just for the completeness' sake I'd like to point out that I was VERY happy with Graham's work, if there were ever issues, Graham was very quick to resolve them, coordinate with Debian and Upstreams, huge +1 from me
[15:45] <mitya57> Let me also give a +1 to ginggs if you don't mind :)
[15:46] <barry> ginggs: hi.  in your endorsements section, there is a criticism about "over-eagerness to sru".  what's your criteria for deciding whether to sru a fix or not?
[15:47] <ginggs> If it affects a lot of users or the fix is trivial, I'll try for an SRU
[15:49] <barry> ginggs: do you think the effort to sru fixes is too high, too low, or just right?
[15:51] <ginggs> I would say it's just right; it's not so easy as to make one want to SRU everything, and it's not so difficult as to make one avoid it altogether
[15:54] <Laney> Do you keep up with the testing status of things you have SRUed?
[15:54] <Laney> Sometimes things can linger in -proposed
[15:56] <ginggs> yes, I usually give other people a chance to test and if no responses after 7 days I will test again myself and change the verification status
[15:56] <barry> ginggs: i notice the conflict regarding sru's between your endorsement feedback and your comment about "what i like least in ubuntu".  how do you resolve these two viewpoints?
[16:01] <ginggs> I don't think it will make me want to SRU any less, but if I had upload rights at least my uploads wouldn't be taking up the sponsors team's time
[16:01] <bdrung_work> ginggs: did your SRUs had any regressions?
[16:02] <ginggs>  i don't believe so
[16:07] <stgraber> ginggs: are you subscribed to ubuntu-devel-announce?
[16:07] <ginggs> not yet, no
[16:07] <stgraber> can you please make sure you are?
[16:07] <ginggs> will do
[16:08] <stgraber> also. Some packages in universe are seeded and require extra care at specific times of the cycle. Can you tell me how to check whether a package is seeded or not, when to be careful about those and how to check what images may be affected?
[16:11] <ginggs> can check with seeded-in-ubuntu and need to be careful with seeded packages after beta freeze
[16:12] <ginggs> not sure offhand how to check which image
[16:12] <stgraber> not only after beta freeze, there are milestones before that (such as this week)
[16:13] <stgraber> seeded-in-ubuntu is pretty reliable at telling you which image
[16:13] <stgraber> everyone ready to vote?
[16:13] <Laney> yup
[16:14] <stgraber> #vote ginggs for MOTU
[16:15] <stgraber> meetingology seems dead, so don't wait for it :)
[16:16] <Laney> +1
[16:18] <barry> +1
[16:19] <bdrung_work_> +1
[16:20] <tumbleweed> +1 [ sorry I missed the rest of the meeting ]
[16:21] <stgraber> +1
[16:21] <stgraber> #endvote
[16:21] <stgraber> #action stgraber to add ginggs to the relevant teams
[16:21] <dholbach> ginggs, congratulations! :)
[16:21] <tumbleweed> ginggs: \o/
[16:21] <stgraber> the chair for our next meeting (January 13th) will be tumbleweed
[16:22] <stgraber> #topic AOB
[16:22] <stgraber> anything?
[16:22] <Laney> it should be ScottK since he missed this one
[16:22] <stgraber> oh, good point
[16:23] <stgraber> I'll just move myself at the back of the rotation, that should do it
[16:23] <barry> stgraber: yep
[16:24] <stgraber> #endmeeting
[16:24] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Dec 16 16:24:33 2013 UTC.
[16:24] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-12-16-15.17.moin.txt
[16:24] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-12-16-15.17.html
[16:24] <barry> stgraber: thanks!
[16:24] <stgraber> oh and now meetingology works... :)
[16:25] <tumbleweed> well, he missed a bit
[16:26] <Laney> thanks!
[16:26] <Laney> & yay for new motus
[16:27] <tumbleweed> yeah, that's getting rare
[16:28] <Laney> ginggs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/New (please update it with new things as you learn them)
[16:45] <jdstrand> hi!
[16:45] <mdeslaur> \o
[16:45] <mdeslaur> hi
[16:45] <tyhicks> hello
[16:45] <jdstrand> #startmeeting
[16:45] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Dec 16 16:46:00 2013 UTC.  The chair is jdstrand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:45] <jdstrand> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[16:45] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[16:46] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Announcements
[16:46] <jdstrand> Due to the EOY leave, the next security team meeting will be 2014/01/06
[16:47] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[16:47] <jdstrand> I'll go first
[16:47] <jdstrand> I'm on triage this week
[16:47] <jdstrand> I'll be here all week this week!
[16:47] <jdstrand> (try the veal)
[16:47] <mdeslaur> \o/
[16:47] <jdstrand> but, I'm off the next two weeks
[16:47] <mdeslaur> slacker
[16:47] <mdeslaur> :)
[16:47] <jdstrand> hehe
[16:48] <jdstrand> I've got some pending updates
[16:48] <jdstrand> and a few work items around apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu that I am working on
[16:48] <jdstrand> I dug into oxide testing last week and started developing policy for apparmor policy version 1.1 for it
[16:49] <jdstrand> chris is off til the end of the year, so I'll mention that the packaging is all together for it, and it builds for all archs
[16:49] <mdeslaur> oh, that's awesome :)
[16:50] <jdstrand> it fails at runtime on armhf which we think is due to a compile-time option surrounding neon
[16:50] <jdstrand> the navigation api is reviewed and I think will be committed soon
[16:51] <jdstrand> so it is really coming along. I've got a todo this week to communicate this to other stakeholders (and an oxide meeting too)
[16:51] <jdstrand> I think that's it for me
[16:51] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: you're up
[16:51] <mdeslaur> I'm on community this week
[16:51] <mdeslaur> I have a couple of updates pending, I'm in the final stages of testing
[16:52] <mdeslaur> and I'll continue going down the list, as usual.
[16:52] <mdeslaur> that's about it from me
[16:52] <mdeslaur> hrm, sbeattie isn't here
[16:52] <mdeslaur> tyhicks: you're up
[16:52] <tyhicks> I've got some carry over from last week
[16:53] <tyhicks> I got hung up for a little too long on an issue where the emulator fails the executable stack test of test-kernel-security.py
[16:53] <tyhicks> I spent quite a bit of time on it and I've convinced myself that it is an emulator bug because everything works fine on maguro
[16:54] <jjohansen1> ickky
[16:54] <jdstrand> tyhicks: interesting-- can you file it if you haven't already? it would be good to get the emulator fixed so that other teams don't get tripped up
[16:54] <tyhicks> I've built final goldfish, manta, and mako kernels and need to do some quick testing and then send off the patches
[16:54] <tyhicks> jdstrand: sure, that's a good idea
[16:54] <jdstrand> tyhicks: oh, maguro, interesting-- do we have access to that device on the team?
[16:55] <jjohansen1> jdstrand: ? I've got one
[16:55] <tyhicks> oh no
[16:55] <tyhicks> I was wrong about the code name
[16:55] <tyhicks> I meant grouper
[16:55] <jdstrand> jjohansen1: ah right, you have nearly everything :)
[16:55] <jdstrand> ok
[16:55]  * tyhicks has another shot of coffee
[16:55] <jdstrand> heh
[16:56] <tyhicks> after that, I'll be on user data encryption
[16:56] <jjohansen1> jdstrand: no no, please forget I ever mentioned uh, never mind ;)
[16:56] <tyhicks> well, there is one problem
[16:56] <tyhicks> I can't test the manta and mako kernels
[16:56] <tyhicks> but I also don't want to bog down jj
[16:57] <tyhicks> I think testing in the emulator is sufficient, though
[16:57] <jdstrand> I have a mako. chris has a manta
[16:57] <jdstrand> (though chris is off this week)
[16:57] <jdstrand> tyhicks: if you need me, holler
[16:57] <tyhicks> all mako and manta get are some backported yama patches since their kernel configs were already hardened correctly
[16:57] <tyhicks> ok
[16:57] <tyhicks> I'll think about it some more
[16:57] <tyhicks> that's it for me
[16:57] <tyhicks> jjohansen1: you're up
[16:59] <jjohansen1> I'm working on apparmor again this week, I've got some testing work to coordinate with sbeattie around dfa and permission changes, and yes ipc work.
[16:59] <jjohansen1> And I'm fixing another invalidation bug that keeps taking down anything using a compound label
[17:00] <jjohansen1> so files, sockets, ..., stacking pretty much everything
[17:00]  * jjohansen1 sighs
[17:00] <sarnold> :(
[17:02] <jjohansen1> well I think thats it from me, sarnold your up
[17:04] <sarnold> I'm in the happy place this week
[17:05] <sarnold> I'm all caught up on the apparmor patches (I think) so I'm moving on to the MIR audits, it's amazing how quicklyu they pile up when I'm not looking..
[17:05] <jdstrand> yes...
[17:05] <tyhicks> sounds like it is about time to write some more apparmor patches
[17:05] <tyhicks> ;)
[17:06] <jdstrand> hah
[17:06] <sarnold> haha :)
[17:07] <sarnold> I started reading the developer.ubuntu.com docs last night and found a handful of problems that I'll file some bugreports for.. it's amazing how much is done already :) woo.
[17:07] <sarnold> I think that's me covered, jdstrand back to you
[17:08] <jdstrand> sarnold: are these security bugs or just regular bugs?
[17:08] <sarnold> jdstrand: regular bugs :) woot
[17:08] <jdstrand> ok, good :)
[17:08] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[17:08] <jdstrand> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[17:08] <jdstrand> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[17:08] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/rawstudio.html
[17:09] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/nagstamon.html
[17:09] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/slim.html
[17:09] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/ruby-passenger.html
[17:09] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/autotrace.html
[17:09] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[17:09] <jdstrand> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[17:09] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: we need to talk about who is doing watch during the holidays
[17:09] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: yeah, I added that to my todo this morning
[17:10] <mdeslaur> cool
[17:10] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: thanks for reminding me
[17:14] <jdstrand> mdeslaur, tyhicks, jjohansen1, sarnold: thanks!
[17:14] <jdstrand> #endmeeting
[17:14] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Dec 16 17:14:36 2013 UTC.
[17:14] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-12-16-16.46.moin.txt
[17:14] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-12-16-16.46.html
[17:14] <sarnold> thanks jdstrand!
[17:14] <jjohansen1> thanks jdstrand
[17:14] <mdeslaur> thanks jdstrand!
[17:14] <jdstrand> :)
[17:16] <tyhicks> thanks!