=== doko_ is now known as doko [14:58] !dmb-ping [14:58] bdrung, ScottK, Laney, micahg, barry, tumbleweed, stgraber: DMB ping [14:59] can someone let me in our channel? [15:00] hi [15:00] can't you auth to nickserv? [15:01] not with this nick name. [15:03] bdrung_work: try now [15:03] stgraber: thanks [15:04] just checked: /msg nickserv identify nick password works [15:04] anyway. ScottK is supposed to chair according to wiki [15:04] i didn't tried to pass my nick there too [15:08] * barry waves to ScottK [15:08] yup, you can identify to your account no matter the nick you are using (provided that nick is not already registered by someone else) [15:14] o/ [15:14] Is the DMB meeting happening? [15:15] I think there should be enough people [15:16] the order of the chairs is ScottK tumbleweed stgraber barry bdrung_work [15:16] Laney: so i guess that would make stgraber up next? [15:17] #startmeeting DMB [15:17] Meeting started Mon Dec 16 15:17:16 2013 UTC. The chair is stgraber. 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[15:18] I'm assuming nothing changed there, carried to next meeting. [15:18] Discussion of skipping of Dec 30 2013 meeting on ML [15:18] this was discussed and the meeting of the 30th will be skipped. [15:18] #topic Per Package Uploader Applications === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | DMB Meeting | Current topic: Per Package Uploader Applications [15:18] +1 for skipping the Dec 30 meeting [15:19] next meeting after today is 13 jan [15:19] #topic Dmitry Shachnev for PPU of: python-markdown, python-keyring, python-secretstorage, python-docutils, python-qt4, sip4, sphinx and the QT5 packageset === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | DMB Meeting | Current topic: Dmitry Shachnev for PPU of: python-markdown, python-keyring, python-secretstorage, python-docutils, python-qt4, sip4, sphinx and the QT5 packageset [15:19] o/ again [15:20] hi mitya57, can you please introduce yourself and your application? [15:20] Of course [15:21] I am Dmitry Shachnev, user of Ubuntu since some ancient version, developing since ~Natty. I am interested in a big bunch of stuff, including Python, Qt, JS, GNOME and KDE. [15:22] For the packages listed (^), I am not the primary maintainer. [15:22] Most of them (except sphinx and sip4 I think) are now in sync with Debian. [15:22] s/not/now/ [15:23] For some of them I am also upstream co-developer (i.e. for python-keyring) [15:23] And I also contribute to upstream Qt (have made ~13 commits) === jamespag` is now known as jamespage_realme [15:24] Well, I think that will be enough, the details are in the application [15:24] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DmitryShachnev/PPUApplication [15:25] mitya57: what have you done with sip4 and pyqt? [15:25] Riddell: ScottK asked me to help with maintaining them, I think I've done one sip4 upload and two python-qt4 uploads [15:26] mitya57: thanks [15:26] are you in the Debian teams for all of these things? [15:26] I am also maintaining pyqt5, but it is in universe, so I can already upload it in Ubuntu [15:26] Laney: yes [15:27] mitya57: why ppu and not core-dev yet? [15:27] lolz, tumbleweed is your AM === penghuan_ is now known as penghuan [15:27] barry: I don't know :) [15:27] :) [15:28] mitya57: for the record, i've been very happy with all your contributions to python. thanks! [15:28] mitya57: any plan for sip 4.15.3? [15:29] regarding your "Things I don't like" - not all of it is due to a lack of communication [15:29] Riddell: oh, it just needs a trivial merge [15:29] Will do when I get upload rights :) [15:29] groovy, mitya57 gets my +1 :) [15:29] Riddell in joining the DMB shocker [15:30] anyway, sometimes there are general technical / design differences [15:31] and there are pockets of great collaboration even within communities like GNOME imo, but it's obviously quite a way from perfect [15:31] what do you think we could do there? [15:31] Laney: actually, that what-i-dont-like-in-ubuntu section is quite difficult to fill in [15:31] I do like what you put though [15:32] as someone who calls out not-coordinated work and not-forwarded patches from time to time [15:32] I think we should get more people testing unstable GNOME and pointing out issues, and discussing these issues with upstream [15:32] a lot of people are just resigned to the projects being different these days [15:33] the collaboration on the library level is better [15:33] but Ubuntu GNOME is good in this regard too [15:33] Yes, but the Gtk's CSDs stuff looks like nobody tested it under Unity before 3.10 was released [15:34] (Gtk is a library :P) [15:34] yeah I was thinking of that [15:34] quite a few changes came from the pre-upload testing [15:34] still, the basic problem is that we were testing something after it was already baked [15:35] ahem, I'll stop rambling [15:35] anyone else? [15:36] well, I'm ready to vote :-) [15:36] no, everything is answered already. [15:36] i am ready to vote. [15:36] * barry too [15:36] stgraber: [15:37] Laney: 1sec [15:38] #vote Dmitry Shachnev for PPU of: python-markdown, python-keyring, python-secretstorage, python-docutils, python-qt4, sip4, sphinx and the QT5 packageset [15:38] Please vote on: Dmitry Shachnev for PPU of: python-markdown, python-keyring, python-secretstorage, python-docutils, python-qt4, sip4, sphinx and the QT5 packageset [15:38] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [15:39] +1 [15:39] +1 [15:39] +1 received from Laney [15:39] +1 received from bdrung_work_ [15:39] +1 [keep going! i hope to see core-dev app soon] [15:39] +1 [keep going! i hope to see core-dev app soon] received from barry [15:39] +1 [15:39] +1 received from stgraber [15:40] #endvote [15:40] Voting ended on: Dmitry Shachnev for PPU of: python-markdown, python-keyring, python-secretstorage, python-docutils, python-qt4, sip4, sphinx and the QT5 packageset [15:40] Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [15:40] Motion carried [15:40] #action stgraber to get webops to add the new PPU and add qt5 membership [15:40] ACTION: stgraber to get webops to add the new PPU and add qt5 membership [15:40] you can add the membership yourself [15:40] unless I'm parsing that wrong [15:41] mitya57: congrats! [15:41] barry: UCD application in my todo list after becoming a DD :) [15:41] Laney & everybody: thanks! [15:41] mitya57: \o/ hopefully it won't take you as long for DD as it did for me :) [15:41] UCD is something else [15:42] Laney: right, I'll add the membership myself [15:42] (contributing developer) [15:42] beware of applying for that [15:42] :P [15:42] mitya57, congratulations! [15:42] dholbach: danke! [15:42] :) [15:42] Laney: names conflict, that is [15:42] everyone just says core-dev [15:42] #topic Graham Inggs for MOTU === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | DMB Meeting | Current topic: Graham Inggs for MOTU [15:43] hi [15:43] ginggs: hey there, can you introduce yourself and your application please? [15:43] I'm Graham Inggs, I've been an Ubuntu user since 2007/2008 and have been contributing since 2012 === hubbard.freenode.net changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [15:44] ginggs, sorry for not getting to update your application - just for the completeness' sake I'd like to point out that I was VERY happy with Graham's work, if there were ever issues, Graham was very quick to resolve them, coordinate with Debian and Upstreams, huge +1 from me [15:45] Let me also give a +1 to ginggs if you don't mind :) [15:46] ginggs: hi. in your endorsements section, there is a criticism about "over-eagerness to sru". what's your criteria for deciding whether to sru a fix or not? [15:47] If it affects a lot of users or the fix is trivial, I'll try for an SRU [15:49] ginggs: do you think the effort to sru fixes is too high, too low, or just right? === bdrung_work__ is now known as bdrung_work [15:51] I would say it's just right; it's not so easy as to make one want to SRU everything, and it's not so difficult as to make one avoid it altogether [15:54] Do you keep up with the testing status of things you have SRUed? [15:54] Sometimes things can linger in -proposed [15:56] yes, I usually give other people a chance to test and if no responses after 7 days I will test again myself and change the verification status [15:56] ginggs: i notice the conflict regarding sru's between your endorsement feedback and your comment about "what i like least in ubuntu". how do you resolve these two viewpoints? [16:01] I don't think it will make me want to SRU any less, but if I had upload rights at least my uploads wouldn't be taking up the sponsors team's time === G4MBY2 is now known as PaulW2U [16:01] ginggs: did your SRUs had any regressions? [16:02] i don't believe so [16:07] ginggs: are you subscribed to ubuntu-devel-announce? [16:07] not yet, no [16:07] can you please make sure you are? [16:07] will do [16:08] also. Some packages in universe are seeded and require extra care at specific times of the cycle. Can you tell me how to check whether a package is seeded or not, when to be careful about those and how to check what images may be affected? === G4MBY2 is now known as PaulW2U [16:11] can check with seeded-in-ubuntu and need to be careful with seeded packages after beta freeze [16:12] not sure offhand how to check which image [16:12] not only after beta freeze, there are milestones before that (such as this week) [16:13] seeded-in-ubuntu is pretty reliable at telling you which image [16:13] everyone ready to vote? [16:13] yup === tumbleweed_ is now known as tumbleweed [16:14] #vote ginggs for MOTU [16:15] meetingology seems dead, so don't wait for it :) [16:16] +1 === balloons_ is now known as balloons === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler [16:18] +1 === johest__ is now known as johest_home [16:19] +1 [16:20] +1 [ sorry I missed the rest of the meeting ] [16:21] +1 [16:21] #endvote [16:21] #action stgraber to add ginggs to the relevant teams [16:21] ginggs, congratulations! :) [16:21] ginggs: \o/ [16:21] the chair for our next meeting (January 13th) will be tumbleweed [16:22] #topic AOB [16:22] anything? [16:22] it should be ScottK since he missed this one [16:22] oh, good point [16:23] I'll just move myself at the back of the rotation, that should do it [16:23] stgraber: yep === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | DMB Meeting | Current topic: AOB === Daviey_ is now known as Daviey [16:24] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [16:24] Meeting ended Mon Dec 16 16:24:33 2013 UTC. [16:24] Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-12-16-15.17.moin.txt [16:24] Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-12-16-15.17.html [16:24] stgraber: thanks! [16:24] oh and now meetingology works... :) === jamespag` is now known as jamespage [16:25] well, he missed a bit [16:26] thanks! [16:26] & yay for new motus [16:27] yeah, that's getting rare === balloons_ is now known as balloons [16:28] ginggs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/New (please update it with new things as you learn them) === sarnold_ is now known as sarnold [16:45] hi! [16:45] \o [16:45] hi [16:45] hello [16:45] #startmeeting [16:45] Meeting started Mon Dec 16 16:46:00 2013 UTC. The chair is jdstrand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [16:45] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [16:45] The meeting agenda can be found at: [16:45] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting [16:46] [TOPIC] Announcements === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Announcements [16:46] Due to the EOY leave, the next security team meeting will be 2014/01/06 [16:47] [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Weekly stand-up report [16:47] I'll go first [16:47] I'm on triage this week [16:47] I'll be here all week this week! [16:47] (try the veal) [16:47] \o/ [16:47] but, I'm off the next two weeks [16:47] slacker [16:47] :) [16:47] hehe [16:48] I've got some pending updates [16:48] and a few work items around apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu that I am working on [16:48] I dug into oxide testing last week and started developing policy for apparmor policy version 1.1 for it [16:49] chris is off til the end of the year, so I'll mention that the packaging is all together for it, and it builds for all archs [16:49] oh, that's awesome :) [16:50] it fails at runtime on armhf which we think is due to a compile-time option surrounding neon [16:50] the navigation api is reviewed and I think will be committed soon [16:51] so it is really coming along. I've got a todo this week to communicate this to other stakeholders (and an oxide meeting too) [16:51] I think that's it for me [16:51] mdeslaur: you're up [16:51] I'm on community this week [16:51] I have a couple of updates pending, I'm in the final stages of testing [16:52] and I'll continue going down the list, as usual. [16:52] that's about it from me [16:52] hrm, sbeattie isn't here [16:52] tyhicks: you're up [16:52] I've got some carry over from last week [16:53] I got hung up for a little too long on an issue where the emulator fails the executable stack test of test-kernel-security.py [16:53] I spent quite a bit of time on it and I've convinced myself that it is an emulator bug because everything works fine on maguro [16:54] ickky [16:54] tyhicks: interesting-- can you file it if you haven't already? it would be good to get the emulator fixed so that other teams don't get tripped up [16:54] I've built final goldfish, manta, and mako kernels and need to do some quick testing and then send off the patches [16:54] jdstrand: sure, that's a good idea [16:54] tyhicks: oh, maguro, interesting-- do we have access to that device on the team? [16:55] jdstrand: ? I've got one [16:55] oh no [16:55] I was wrong about the code name [16:55] I meant grouper [16:55] jjohansen1: ah right, you have nearly everything :) [16:55] ok [16:55] * tyhicks has another shot of coffee [16:55] heh [16:56] after that, I'll be on user data encryption [16:56] jdstrand: no no, please forget I ever mentioned uh, never mind ;) [16:56] well, there is one problem [16:56] I can't test the manta and mako kernels [16:56] but I also don't want to bog down jj [16:57] I think testing in the emulator is sufficient, though [16:57] I have a mako. chris has a manta [16:57] (though chris is off this week) [16:57] tyhicks: if you need me, holler [16:57] all mako and manta get are some backported yama patches since their kernel configs were already hardened correctly [16:57] ok [16:57] I'll think about it some more [16:57] that's it for me [16:57] jjohansen1: you're up [16:59] I'm working on apparmor again this week, I've got some testing work to coordinate with sbeattie around dfa and permission changes, and yes ipc work. [16:59] And I'm fixing another invalidation bug that keeps taking down anything using a compound label [17:00] so files, sockets, ..., stacking pretty much everything [17:00] * jjohansen1 sighs [17:00] :( [17:02] well I think thats it from me, sarnold your up [17:04] I'm in the happy place this week [17:05] I'm all caught up on the apparmor patches (I think) so I'm moving on to the MIR audits, it's amazing how quicklyu they pile up when I'm not looking.. [17:05] yes... [17:05] sounds like it is about time to write some more apparmor patches [17:05] ;) [17:06] hah [17:06] haha :) [17:07] I started reading the developer.ubuntu.com docs last night and found a handful of problems that I'll file some bugreports for.. it's amazing how much is done already :) woo. [17:07] I think that's me covered, jdstrand back to you [17:08] sarnold: are these security bugs or just regular bugs? [17:08] jdstrand: regular bugs :) woot [17:08] ok, good :) [17:08] [TOPIC] Highlighted packages === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Highlighted packages [17:08] The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so. [17:08] See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved. [17:08] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/rawstudio.html [17:09] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/nagstamon.html [17:09] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/slim.html [17:09] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/ruby-passenger.html [17:09] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/autotrace.html [17:09] [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Miscellaneous and Questions [17:09] Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss? [17:09] jdstrand: we need to talk about who is doing watch during the holidays [17:09] mdeslaur: yeah, I added that to my todo this morning [17:10] cool [17:10] mdeslaur: thanks for reminding me === FunnyLookinHat__ is now known as FunnyLookinHat [17:14] mdeslaur, tyhicks, jjohansen1, sarnold: thanks! [17:14] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [17:14] Meeting ended Mon Dec 16 17:14:36 2013 UTC. [17:14] Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-12-16-16.46.moin.txt [17:14] Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-12-16-16.46.html [17:14] thanks jdstrand! [17:14] thanks jdstrand [17:14] thanks jdstrand! [17:14] :) [17:16] thanks! === hggdh_ is now known as hggdh === lamont` is now known as lamont === highvolt1ge is now known as highvoltage === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha === Logan__ is now known as Logan_ === slangase` is now known as slangasek