[00:13] <stgraber> ogra_: hmm, so I uploaded my initramfs-tools-ubuntu-touch change but the package appears to FTBFS with some unrelated error:
[00:13] <stgraber> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/159877979/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-armhf.initramfs-tools-ubuntu-touch_0.64_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[00:14] <stgraber> seems like the new fakeroot broke the build somehow
[00:28] <stgraber> ogra_: hmm, so apparently with the older libfakeroot/libfakechroot LD_PRELOAD would be set to an invalid value of "lib1 lib2" instead of "lib1:lib2" so ldd wouldn't show those dependencies and they'd be ignore by update-initramfs
[00:28] <stgraber> ogra_: now with the current version, ldd sees those libraries but can't access them due to fakechroot
[00:31] <stgraber> hmm, or not, just changing that one thing doesn't solve anything
[00:32] <stgraber> ogra_: I've got to run now. At least I've confirmed that I didn't cause the problem... One obvious way around is to install fakechroot in the chroot but that'll also result in a bloated initrd which will contain libfakeroot and libfakechroot for no good reason...
[02:12] <cwayne> mhall119, are you a mod on the g+ page
[05:04] <Mirv> popey: ogra_: zoltan was looking into that SDK upgrade problem, and found the cause at least
[08:07] <pinguinnet> hi
[08:09] <pinguinnet> yesterday installed touch on my galaxy nexus and find it great but having problems in changing password for my wifi connection
[08:09] <pinguinnet> can some help me with it
[08:51] <BillyZane> I bought a nexus 5 so I can install ubuntu-touch. now i've discovered the time scale for a nexus 5 release is indefinite
[08:52] <BillyZane> i want to see ubuntu-touch becoming a viable alternative to android, but it has to get ALL the hardware features of a phone functional. even on the nexus 4, which is the best supported phone, the gyroscope apparently has zero support
[08:57] <tsdgeos> BillyZane: this is free software! I'm sure the team working on the sensors will welcome patches to make it work better :-)
[08:58] <BillyZane> that's for sure
[08:58] <BillyZane> i'm not trying to point fingers or be ungrateful
[09:00] <BillyZane> but i feel canonical has this ambitious plan and it won't have any chance if it can't get those basic things right. of course it's in beta right? so perhaps in 2014 it will work out these issues
[09:06] <pitti> ricmm: hey Rick, how are you?
[09:08] <tygerlord> Hello, I'm trying porting flipped on crespo and have a trouble with dir structure, according to touch script
[09:08] <tygerlord> system is mounted to /android/system under root ubuntu
[09:09] <tygerlord> but for working /system seem to be mounted under root ubuntu
[09:10] <tygerlord> I don't know where the transfert from /android/system to /system must be realised
[09:11] <tygerlord> to check what goes wrong...
[09:12] <tygerlord> Someone know if a wiki summarise dir that must be present at end of init?
[09:38] <tvoss> pitti, good morning
[09:38] <pitti> hey tvoss, guten Morgen
[09:45] <tygerlord> Someone know witch script is in charge of mounting /system under ubuntu root?
[11:09] <nerochiaro_> oSoMoN: hi when you have a minute can you look into this MR from last week ? there are some tests failing on mako but it seems like a CI infrastructure issue, not a problem caused by the MR itself: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-mediumtests-runner-mako/4071/console
[11:09] <xnox> tygerlord: initramfs-tools-ubuntu-touch in some case, which is at times generated from the per device fstab using the update-fstab hacks.
[11:12] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro_, looks like the application crashed
[11:12] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro_, "terminate called after throwing an instance of …"
[11:14] <nerochiaro_> oSoMoN: oh, hadn't noticed that. doesn't seem to happen in all cases where tests fail, though
[11:16] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro_, right, looks like the app fails to start, or autopilot fails to find it, seems this has been happening quite a lot for various apps lately, apparently only (or mostly) on mako
[11:17] <nerochiaro_> oSoMoN: I think someone with a mako should investigate that, but in the meantime can the actual code be reviewed ?
[11:17] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro_, see the last few e-mails in the thread entitled "Landing team 10.12.13" on the ubuntu-phone ML, where Thomi refers to the TnT team, you should ping them about this failure
[11:18] <nerochiaro_> oSoMoN: checking that email. what about the review though ?
[11:19] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro_, which review? you only sent me a link to some logs
[11:20] <nerochiaro_> oSoMoN: sorry, I meant this one: https://code.launchpad.net/~amanzi-team/gallery-app/gallery-app-save-state/+merge/198364 I seem to recall asking for a review last week already, but I might be wrong
[11:21] <oSoMoN> I don’t recall that one, I’ll have a look
[11:22] <OttOmanTR> Will Ubuntu Touch have standard ubuntu desktop when you have it connected to a monitor?
[11:24] <timp> OttOmanTR: eventually
[11:24] <timp> OttOmanTR: but not the current version
[11:25] <OttOmanTR> somebody said Ubuntu Touch is not the Ubuntu for phones we saw before
[11:25] <timp> OttOmanTR: I know only of one ubuntu touch(/phones), but I don't know what you saw before :)
[11:26] <timp> OttOmanTR: perhaps somebody meant that Ubuntu for Android is something else than Ubuntu Touch. That is correct.
[11:26] <OttOmanTR> I saw Ubuntu for phones videos on youtube that has Ubuntu Desktop when you plug it to a external monitor via hdmi
[11:27] <timp> OttOmanTR: this? http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/ubuntu-for-android
[11:27] <OttOmanTR> yes it is
[11:27] <OttOmanTR> so Ubuntu Touch is not this?
[11:28] <OttOmanTR> because this was what I liked about Ubuntu Touch
[11:28] <timp> OttOmanTR: ubuntu touch is still in development, and that feature is not there yet
[11:29] <timp> OttOmanTR: yes, I like that too, so I can't wait for that particular feature to become available :) dunno when though.
[11:30] <OttOmanTR> If Ubuntu Touch doesn't have that now even in alpha/beta stage, I ensure you it'll never have it :(
[11:32] <popey> OttOmanTR: it's planned for 14.10
[11:33] <OttOmanTR> popey: Thanks a lot :)
[11:38] <Hourd> Looking forward to that feature
[11:40] <popey> me too!
[11:40] <popey> i want to plug it into a TV and use it to play media too
[11:44] <nerochiaro_> oSoMoN: it seems that the app crashes during the very first tests, and after that autopilot is never able to find it again
[11:45] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro_, same symptoms as for the other apps (seen sometimes on webbrowser-app)
[11:45] <nerochiaro_> oSoMoN: i'm emailing the tnt team about it, cc'ing you
[11:45] <oSoMoN> thx
[11:58] <charlycoste> hi everyone!
[12:15] <ffelgenh> are there any issues with android 4.4 installing ubuntu touch ... the nexus 4 I use for installing ubuntu touch  is asking me to upgrade to 4.4 ... I know there is some dual boot setup for android and ubuntu touch, can somebody please point me to a how to for that?
[12:23] <vicky> hi
[12:23] <vicky> anybody there?
[12:23] <vicky> need help
[12:24] <charlycoste> i'm here, but I'm looking for help too :p
[12:24] <popey> !ask
[12:25] <popey> ffelgenh: we haven't ported to 4.4 yet
[12:25] <popey> ffelgenh: I believe we've had reports that 4.4 may upgrade the radio firmware and cause issues, but not seen that myself first hand
[12:26] <cwayne> wow, last test run is looking really good
[12:26] <cwayne> 99%
[12:26] <ffelgenh> thx ... I will wait until 4.4 is ported ... but 4.3 is ported?
[12:27] <ffelgenh> popey: sorry I missed the correct answer format ;-)
[12:28] <ffelgenh> popey: do you have experience with dual boot, or anybody you know?
[12:30] <charlycoste> Is there any way to make Ubuntu Touch work on a Nexus 7 of 2nd generation?
[12:31] <vicky> i want to install ubuntu touch on my lg p990; from last one year the development is like freezed..no further updates from dev rugglezs
[12:33] <vtpot> ?
[12:35] <popey> ffelgenh: i don't. we don't have a supported method for dual boot right now
[12:36] <popey> charlycoste: not yet
[12:36] <vtpot> not dual boot.
[12:36] <vtpot> just ubuntu touch
[12:36] <vtpot> ?
[12:37] <ffelgenh> popey: thx ... sorry for asking again ... what is the supported android version
[12:37] <charlycoste> thank you popey. Should I wait for it and maybe give a hand to developers or should I change it back for a 1rst generation one?
[12:38] <popey> ffelgenh: 4.3 i think
[12:39] <charlycoste> (I just bought a Nexus 7 to install Ubuntu Touch for Qt developing purpose and was desapointed to realize that only the 2012 edition are supported)
[12:43] <dholbach> cyphermox, on maguro I have the problem that in some circumstances (not sure when or why) when I call somebody or get called, I can hear nothing and all, and on the next call it's fine again - did anyone report anything like this already? what kind of information would you or awe need for this?
[12:43] <ogra_> dholbach, that sounds more like pulseaudio acting up
[12:44] <dholbach> ah, ok - that might be
[12:44] <dholbach> diwic, ^ have you heard cases of this before?
[12:46] <diwic> dholbach, not really, I think it's a new one...but not sure about that either
[12:46] <dholbach> it looks like people on the other end can hear me just fine
[12:46] <dholbach> and start making fun of me and my phone (we all take it with humour), but I think I should start debugging it somehow :)
[12:47] <diwic> dholbach, I think you could try taking an alsa-info when call is working and when call is broken, and compare the two
[12:47] <diwic> dholbach, to see if it's a mixer problem
[12:47] <dholbach> ok great
[12:47] <dholbach> will do
[12:48] <ffelgenh> popey: fine ... then I do not have to go back to an earlier version  ... I did not install ubuntu touch since the release 1.0 back in october ... I will make a fresh install ... anything special, beside changing the channel to trusty? ... from ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net I read about "problems" with the trusty tahr images, shall I wait with the fresh install ... I like to do bluetooth experiments, and later app development
[12:50] <ogra_> ffelgenh, trusty is fine (don't use the trusty-proposed channel, just trusty if you want some stability though)
[12:51] <dholbach> diwic, how do I take an alsa-info?
[12:52] <ogra_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/AlsaInfo
[12:52] <dholbach> perfect
[12:52] <popey> ffelgenh: trusty is pretty good right now, but you may want to disable mir
[12:52] <popey> i dont believe it works well on the nexus 7 at the moment
[12:52] <ogra_> works here
[12:52] <ffelgenh> ogra_,popey: thank you!
[12:53] <popey> "works" vs "works well"
[12:53] <ogra_> its just a bit slower (since it uses some SW rendering bits)
[12:53] <ffelgenh> ogra_,popey: I will also install on a nexus 7
[12:54] <ffelgenh> ogra_,popey: the first time ... when the device arrived tomorrow
[12:54] <dragonfly> quit
[12:56] <ogra_> ffelgenh, oh, and if you can avoid it, do *not* upgrade the nexus4 to 4.4 ... the radio firmware changed and is not backwards compatible (ubuntu will not be able to use the radio/wlan if the device was on 4.4 before)
[12:56] <dholbach> diwic, is there anything special I need to do on touch or maguro to
[12:56] <dholbach> ... have it working? I get "cat: /proc/asound/modules: No such file or directory" and it reboots
[12:57] <ffelgenh> ogra_: popey all ready warned me ... I will not install it ... how can I get rid off this annoying upgrade message?
[12:57] <ogra_> heh, dunno ...
[12:58] <ogra_> ask google ? :)
[12:58] <diwic> dholbach, hmm, I thought I tried alsa-info on N4 a while ago, but not sure. tbh, you're one of the first using alsa-info on ARM. :-)
[12:58] <dholbach> woohoo! exciting ;-)
[12:59] <ffelgenh> ogra_: :-) I will ... hoped somebody maybe knows it
[12:59]  * ogra_ shakes his head ... 
[12:59] <ogra_> diwic, s/ARM/Touch/
[13:00] <ogra_> (we used alsa-info on ARM a lot in the past :P )
[13:00] <diwic> ogra_, you did? The lspci issue was fixed less than a year ago?
[13:00] <ogra_> we used it on pandas ... and beagleboards ...
[13:02] <diwic> ogra_, well, I vaguely remember that it would refuse to work without lspci, but maybe my memory was wrong...
[13:02] <diwic> dholbach, but any reboot must be due to some weird kernel bug, I would assume...
[13:02] <ogra_> well, i know that i had to collect alsa-info stuff for TI back when they still had a linux team caring for panda and beagle
[13:03] <ogra_> and it used to work there
[13:03] <ogra_> probably the panda was special
[13:04] <diwic> dholbach, if alsa-info does not work, perhaps try "amixer -c0 contents", that would at least give you the mixer state
[13:04] <dholbach> diwic, all right, will do - thanks
[13:25] <cwayne> mardy, any update on the app-access branch?
[13:53] <lilix> hello
[13:53] <lilix> there are someone?
[14:03] <asac> om26er: maybe join #ubuntu-ci-eng
[14:03] <asac> for these days :)
[14:03] <asac> hehe
[14:03] <om26er> sure
[14:07] <mardy> cwayne: it's about ready, but I'm on holidays this week
[14:09] <cwayne> mardy, ah, sorry!
[14:25] <nerochiaro> kenvandine: hi, when you have a minute, can you tell me if there's any documentation on how to push content from an app to an other app ? In the current docs there seems to be only the possibility for an app to request content from another, but not the other way around (an app wanting to save some content and asking the content hub to spawn another app that can handle it)
[14:26] <nerochiaro> kenvandine: for example browser or notes wanting to save a picture in the gallery
[14:27] <kenvandine> nerochiaro, right, we can't initiate on the export side yet
[14:27] <kenvandine> i have a branch for that
[14:27] <kenvandine> but it isn't ready yet
[14:27] <nerochiaro> kenvandine: i see. any ideas on when it might be usable ?
[14:28] <kenvandine> nerochiaro, depends... my branch works now
[14:28] <kenvandine> but i think the API will need to change a bit
[14:29] <kenvandine> nerochiaro, so you could start implementation with my unmerged branch, just beware the API might get broken
[14:29] <nerochiaro> kenvandine: is it better if i wait until you have something more final, then ?
[14:29] <kenvandine> nerochiaro, i doubt i'll get it merged before the holiday break
[14:30] <Noxr> ubuntu-touch faster of ubuntu-unity?
[14:31] <Noxr> yes no?
[14:31] <nerochiaro> kenvandine: ok, thanks
[14:31] <Noxr> Ubuntu-unity slow work on netbook
[14:31] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: your branch seems ok, but I don't understand why we would need to ping the server
[14:33] <pitti> tvoss: do you know whether ricmm will be back this year still?
[14:33] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, I was looking at intermittent CI failures this morning, and I noticed in one case that the test failed because the page on which the browser initially opens was never loaded, and this page is served by the local test server, so I added this check which I hope will help understand what happens in similar cases
[14:33] <tvoss> pitti, yup, should be back tomorrow
[14:33] <pitti> tvoss: danke
[14:33] <Noxr> Hey?
[14:34] <tvoss> pitti, yw :) btw: I just realized I have a whole truckload of chroots mounted, any idea how to umount all of them?
[14:34] <pitti> tvoss: schroot, or plain chroot?
[14:34] <tvoss> pitti, schroot
[14:34] <tvoss> Noxr, ubuntu-touch is not a replacement for Unity on the desktop
[14:35] <pitti> tvoss: try sudo schroot --end-session --all-sessions
[14:35] <Noxr> Utouch fast work?
[14:35] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: not sure what would change if you first ask the server to open a different page
[14:35] <pitti> tvoss: sorry, sudo schroot --end-session --all
[14:35] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i mean, it would fail the same way with the loremipsum page and the ping page, no ?
[14:35] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, well I can identify early on that the problem is with the server, before even starting the app
[14:35] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, so I can discard issues with starting the app itself
[14:36] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i see. ok then, makes sense.
[14:36] <tvoss> Noxr, sorry, have problem parsing your question
[14:36] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: approved
[14:36] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, thx
[14:36] <Noxr> Ubuntu Unity slow work in netbook
[14:36] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: did you have any other comments on my MR besides the one about expanduser (which i fixed)
[14:36] <nerochiaro> ?
[14:37] <tvoss> Noxr, what kind of netbook are you running on?
[14:37] <dobey> Noxr: ubuntu touch and unity8 are not solutions for slow graphics drivers
[14:37] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: also CI is completely messed up at this moment on gallery-app, fails to even build the app
[14:37] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, I just resumed my review, I’ll comment on it in a bit
[14:37] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: oh, perfect
[14:38] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, yeah, CI fails on other MRs for gallery-app too, I’m looking into it
[14:38] <Noxr> will slow work on intel?
[14:39] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: thanks
[14:40] <Noxr> yes?
[14:41] <Noxr> Ubuntu touch faster or not?
[14:41] <Noxr> or 100% one base?
[14:43] <Noxr> Ok how install ubuntu touch on flash for my netbook?
[14:45] <Noxr> hey?
[14:46] <ogra_> ubuntu touch is a 100% new base, designed for phones and tablets ...
[14:47] <ogra_> in ~1 year you will also be able to use it as desktop ... today ... not so much
[14:49] <Noxr> ogra, u mean touch faster?
[14:49] <ogra_> why would faster matter ?
[14:49] <ogra_> you will not have a desktop
[14:50] <ogra_> it is a phone OS
[14:50] <ogra_> not something  you want to use on a netbook until there is a desktop mode
[14:51] <Noxr> but i can just install de ?
[14:52] <ogra_> you can install unity8 on a netbook if you run the 14.04 developer release
[14:52] <ogra_> i dont think anyone tests if it is faster there ...
[14:53] <Noxr> :|
[14:53] <ogra_> because we do not care for desktop before 14.10
[14:53] <Noxr> me also no care just need fast os for netbook
[14:54] <ogra_> what netbook is this
[14:54] <Noxr> few
[14:54] <Noxr> but need just fast os
[14:55] <ogra_> and normal ubuntu is not fast enough for you ?
[14:55] <Noxr> very slow work
[14:55] <Noxr> or just slow
[14:56] <ogra_> well, it really depends on the netbook you use .... this is why i asked which ...
[14:56] <ogra_> if it has a bad graphics driver ubuntu will run slow
[14:57] <Noxr> lol u think ubuntu unity fast work on the tablets?
[14:57] <ogra_> if you look for something that does not need a good graphics driver, look at lubuntu or xubuntu ...
[14:57] <Noxr> no also slow
[14:57] <Noxr> i know but slow
[14:58] <ogra_> well, then i can not help you ... lubuntu runs very fast on a 1GHz 512M machine here
[14:58] <Noxr> easypeasy also have not de
[14:58] <Noxr> on on this mashine Lubuntu work slow
[14:59] <Noxr> toush lightweight and fast system?
[15:00] <cyphermox> dholbach: you're not alone, I noticed that too but I had put it on a bad flash rather than anything else, I was in a hurry and I haven't gotten many calls recently ;)
[15:01] <dholbach> cyphermox, I'll call a couple of folks after work again and note down the mixer levels - my previous test with ogra_ worked just fine :)
[15:01] <Noxr> Ubuntu just have lightweight system?
[15:02] <Noxr> i can install touch and install lubuntu-desctop for example?
[15:02] <ogra_> no
[15:03] <ogra_> touch is only for phones ...
[15:03] <Noxr> http://www.everydaylinuxuser.com/2013/10/12-great-linux-operating-systems-for.html
[15:03] <ogra_> you can install unity8 (which touch uses for the UI) on a netbook
[15:03] <Noxr> ogra why?
[15:03] <dholbach> Noxr, there's going to be a "preview" of a unity8 desktop session in 14.04, but it's not there yet
[15:03] <Noxr> ogra, why cant install on netbook?
[15:03] <dholbach> Noxr, right now it's just on phones and tablets as ogra_ said
[15:04] <ogra_> Noxr, the low level of touch is hardware specific
[15:04] <ogra_> the high level is unity8
[15:04] <ogra_> you can use the high level on a netbook
[15:04] <Rienzilha> Joy /me just ordered a nexus 4
[15:04] <ogra_> but the low level only on phones
[15:04] <ogra_> Rienzilha, congrats :)
[15:05] <Noxr> but touch have other standart drivers for hardware in repos?
[15:05] <ogra_> Noxr, on the low level the system is designed for specific phones
[15:05] <Rienzilha> I'm looking forward to trying touch
[15:05] <ogra_> !devices | Noxr
[15:06] <Noxr> i ask i can add repos of official ubuntu desctop with drivers yes?
[15:06] <Noxr> in touch
[15:06] <ogra_> no
[15:07] <Noxr> why?
[15:07] <ogra_> because these drivers are for phones
[15:07] <ogra_> they do not work on normal netbooks
[15:07] <Noxr> but i can add normal drivers?\
[15:07] <ogra_> you can use a normal ubuntu and install unity8 on it
[15:08] <Noxr> no
[15:08] <ogra_> that gives you the normal ubuntu drivers for netbooks
[15:08] <Noxr> i want touch + standart repo
[15:08] <Rienzilha> lol
[15:08] <Rienzilha> this is going nowhere :)
[15:09] <Noxr> why?
[15:09] <ogra_> Noxr, touch uses the standard repo ...
[15:09] <ogra_> Noxr, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/trusty-preinstalled-touch-armhf.manifest
[15:09] <ogra_> this is the list of packages used in ubuntu touch
[15:10] <ogra_> but the dirvers are separate
[15:10] <Noxr> ogra, but i can add any other packages from standart Ubuntu desctop yes?
[15:10] <ogra_> you can make the phone writable and install all packages from the ubuntu archive, yes
[15:11] <Noxr> no  u not understand me
[15:12] <Noxr> Why i just cant install Ubuntu Touch + Lubuntu-desktop on the netbook?
[15:12] <Noxr> I can get drivers from desctop repo for my netbook?
[15:12] <ogra_> because ubuntu touch is not available for netbooks
[15:12] <Rienzilha> lol
[15:12] <ogra_> :)
[15:12] <Hourd> Noxr: why do you want to put Ubuntu Touch on a netbook?
[15:13] <Noxr> Ubuntu standarts is slow and Ubuntu minimal + other - hard install and errors
[15:13] <ogra_> Hourd, he thinks the system is smaller, but doesnt understand that the low level is only available for phones/tablets ... and that he has to use a normal ubuntu core if used on a netbook
[15:14] <Rienzilha> besides, a minimal install of ubuntu is pretty lightweight
[15:14] <ogra_> right
[15:14] <Noxr> But i can add drivers for netbook hardware?
[15:14] <Rienzilha> your heaviest component is the X server and the windowmanager
[15:15] <Rienzilha> Noxr: stop it. Use a minimal ubuntu install, and install a lightweight desktop environment. I understand you can try touches environment, but you're probably better off with something like fluxbox if you want fast and lightweight
[15:15] <randomcpp> does anyone know if I can flash UT with TWRP?
[15:15] <Noxr> i not need xorg cose no play in games here + intel video
[15:16] <Rienzilha> well you need some kind of x server if you want graphics
[15:16] <Noxr> fluxbox is ugly and trash
[15:16] <Rienzilha> but it is fast
[15:16] <Hourd> Noxr: it would be easier to strip a minimal even smaller than it would be to get Touch working on a netbook
[15:16] <Rienzilha> if you want pretty and feature rich, get a better netbook or settle for less performance
[15:16]  * Rienzilha agrees with Hourd 
[15:16] <ogra_> randomcpp, should work afaik
[15:17] <Hourd> Or if you want it that custom go with Arch or Gentoo, would be less effort
[15:17] <Noxr> i want optimal like Windows XP now here
[15:17] <randomcpp> ogra_, or does ubuntu custom recovery support android roms?
[15:18] <ogra_> yes, its a normal CWM recovery with some ubuntu estras added
[15:18] <ogra_> *extras
[15:18] <ogra_> (tar, gpg and the ubuntu-upgrade scripts)
[15:18] <randomcpp> even better
[15:18] <Noxr> All drivers in Linux in kernel? But possible add other drivers?
[15:19] <randomcpp> thank you :)
[15:19] <Hourd> Noxr: i'm sorry I do not understand what you want
[15:19] <Hourd> or why you want it
[15:19] <Noxr> i want add drivers for netbook in touch
[15:19] <Rienzilha> 'please contact your hardware manufacturer for driver support'
[15:19] <ogra_> lol
[15:20] <ogra_> Noxr, what drivers exactly ?
[15:20] <Noxr> all
[15:20] <dholbach> Noxr, Ubuntu Touch currently is just not available as a Ubuntu Desktop alternative yet
[15:20] <ogra_> all drivers should be in the kernel ...
[15:20] <Hourd> Noxr: why do you want to do this? For what purpose?
[15:20] <ogra_> additionally graphics drivers come with xorg ...
[15:21] <ogra_> beyond this, there are no other drivers ...
[15:21] <Noxr> there are many drivers
[15:22] <ogra_> they all come with the linux kernel or with xorg ...
[15:22] <Noxr> Ubuntu have any accelerated kernel?
[15:22] <ogra_> what is an accelerated kernel ?
[15:22] <Rienzilha> it does have turbochargers :)
[15:23] <ogra_> ubuntu has the same kernel all linux distros have
[15:23]  * dholbach hugs xnox
[15:23] <Noxr> ok facepalm
[15:23] <Noxr> what distro then can use here on ubuntu?
[15:24] <timp> ogra_: there are additional drivers like those of nvidia, but I doubt a netbook has nvidia graphics
[15:24] <ogra_> as i told you before ... the most lightweight in the ubuntu family is is lubuntu
[15:24] <ogra_> if you want anything lighter you have to roll your own
[15:25] <ogra_> (like using fluxbox on ubuntu-minimal + xorg ... someone mentioned that above)
[15:25] <timp> ogra_: if lubuntu is slow, then probably you can only make it faster by not using any graphical environment, only console.
[15:25] <ogra_> timp, right
[15:25] <timp> ogra_: ah. that was meant for Noxr, not you :)
[15:25] <timp> Noxr: if lubuntu is slow, then probably you can only make it faster by not using any graphical environment, only console.
[15:25] <ogra_> :)
[15:27]  * ogra_ glues a k at the end of slangase` 
[15:27] <Hourd> Just use single user mode :)
[15:28] <Noxr> timp, how?
[15:30] <ogra_> Noxr, by installing ubuntu-server
[15:30] <ogra_> (which only installs -minimal and -standard by default)
[15:30] <Noxr> :) i no need server
[15:31] <Noxr> bb
[15:31] <Noxr> i go find good OS for netbooks then
[15:32] <ogra_> good idea
[15:32] <randomcpp> ogra_, do you know why doesn't ubuntu recovery let me mount /sdcard (/system, /data and /cache work)?
[15:33] <ogra_> randomcpp, hmm, it should ... how did you try it ?
[15:33] <ogra_> (works for me from the menu)
[15:33] <ogra_> (or rather ... worked like 3 moths ago when i tried it last)
[15:34] <randomcpp> I go to recovery > mounts and storage > mount /sdcard => nothing happens
[15:34] <ogra_> you mean in adb it doesnt show up mounted ?
[15:34] <ogra_> probably a bug then, ask sergiusens or rsalveti ...
[15:35]  * ogra_ is officially on vacation :)
[15:35] <randomcpp> I haven't tried from adb
[15:35] <dholbach> ogra_, go on vacation!
[15:35] <ogra_> dholbach, i am ... only doing the fun stuff ;)
[15:37] <OttOmanTR> Noxr: for my netbook I use Arch + (LXDM+ XFCE)
[15:38] <Noxr> arch no usrfriendly
[15:39] <OttOmanTR> yes it is definitely not but if you know linux even a little, their wiki is very helpful
[15:42] <daker> ogra_: is there a way i can monitor the brightness changes (commandline) ?
[15:42] <OttOmanTR> As I'm a Windows user, Linux is awesome :) I had to create nandroid backup file name manually but there is an easy way :)
[15:42] <ogra_> daker, from sysfs i suppose ... not sure powerd has an api for it
[15:43] <OttOmanTR> command inside command filename= `date +"%Y-%m-%d_%H-%M"`_`getprop ro.build.PDA`
[15:53] <daker> ogra_: i am asking because i suspect there is something wrong there, i always use 0% but the keeps changing
[15:54] <ogra_> i think thats powerd trying to be clever
[15:54] <daker> and when i press the power button the brightness changes from 0 to 100% then screen off
[15:54] <ogra_> there is a powerd-cli command to make it stop doing that
[15:54] <ogra_> but i doubt you can call it from an app in case you are trying that
[15:55] <daker> ogra_: ok thanks
[16:00] <OttOmanTR> So guys, Ubuntu Touch doesn't have apps running in a virtual machine like how android does, right?
[16:01] <ogra_> right
[16:02] <OttOmanTR> I know it's CM based but you took Dalvik JVM out
[16:02] <OttOmanTR> so do Ubuntu Touch apps run natively on CPU?
[16:03] <ogra_> Ubuntu Touch only uses the kernel and some bits from android to make sensors or the modem work ... the rest is normal ubuntu
[16:04] <OttOmanTR> ogra_: awesome
[16:04] <ogra_> apps are either QML, or Ot/C++ or HTML/Javascript
[16:05] <ogra_> s/Ot/Qt/
[16:05] <OttOmanTR> QT apps are good, VLC is written in QT afaik
[16:06] <OttOmanTR> of course it depends on developers
[16:21] <victorp> popey, ping
[16:21] <victorp> popey, the bug about installing the platform tools - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/+bug/1261429
[16:22] <popey> nice one
[16:40] <lool> wow on my laptop I have 1190 identical postinst files out of 2182 postinst files
[16:40] <lool> that's 4 MiBs of postinsts doing ldconfig
[17:29] <rsalveti> sergiusens: quick one, to make it build with latest libhybris: https://code.launchpad.net/~rsalveti/powerd/using_pkg-config_updating_libhybris_dependency/+merge/199160
[18:51] <tygerlord> hello, does a wiki exist with ubuntu roofs details?
[18:52] <tygerlord> It seems that /system /data and other are not mounted in ubuntu rootfs in my crespo build
[18:54] <tygerlord> does soemone have a running ubuntu on is phone?
[20:01] <cukedaddy> does anyone know if the nexus 5 is going to be able to run ubuntu?
[20:02] <matv1> i've heard nothing about that
[20:02] <cukedaddy> thanks...I hope to hear it soon
[20:03] <matv1> but i would guess that canonical is triying it out in their backroom :)
[20:04] <cukedaddy> I would imagine
[20:04] <cukedaddy> anyway...too exciting for me in here lol
[20:05] <matv1> haha
[20:05] <cukedaddy> ciao
[21:21] <daker> hi is there a way to run a single qml file manually, i am trying to debug by running GST_DEBUG=*:5 qmlscene XYZ.qml
[21:52] <cwayne> Saviq, hey, re: the choosing-background-based-on-aspect-ratio bug, since it's invalid in unity8, what should it be marked as affecting?
[21:57] <Saviq> cwayne, it's only affecting the sevilerow project now, isn't it?
[21:58] <Saviq> cwayne, i.e. you need to ship the job that will procure an .override file for the default background depending on device?
[21:59] <cwayne> Saviq, right, but it still needs to be done dynamically based on the screen size
[22:00] <cwayne> is there a way to get the screensize in an upstart job? im happy to have it part of the SR tarball, but i'm not sure how it'd be done ATM
[22:00] <Saviq> cwayne, for that I think it's enough to base on device code name
[22:01] <cwayne> Saviq, is that available as an env var or something?
[22:04] <Saviq> cwayne, it's gettable for sure, not entirely sure where from
[22:04] <Saviq> sergiusens, any pointers on getting a device codename in an upstart job?
[22:06] <sergiusens> Saviq, use getprop, the adb upstart job can be used as an example (although I'm not use it uses the exact property)
[22:06] <cwayne> ah, didnt know whether getprop was available.. should be easy enough
[22:06] <sergiusens> Saviq, you want ro.product.device
[22:06] <Saviq> sergiusens, yeah, but *inside* the device?
[22:06] <sergiusens> Saviq, ah, the boot hooks to enable mir have it
[22:06] <Saviq> sergiusens, it needs to run in the lxc, right?
[22:07] <Saviq> sergiusens, ah!
[22:07] <Saviq> sergiusens, cheers
[22:07] <sergiusens> Saviq, nope, can run in ubuntu
[22:07] <Saviq> cwayne, yeah, `getprop ro.product.device` works
[22:09] <cwayne> Saviq, great thanks.  how is it going to be done in stock images then?  is it just going to be one wallpaper that scales well?
[22:09]  * cwayne is just curious, since unity8 today has the size > units.gu(60) check
[22:10] <Saviq> cwayne, we only have a limited number of devices we support in the stock images, so we can probably just make it the same
[22:10] <Saviq> cwayne, and then device-specific images can override that
[22:11] <cwayne> Saviq, cool, thanks
[22:11] <Saviq> cwayne, and yeah, that check needs to go away
[22:13] <cwayne> Saviq, im happy to log a bug for it if it'd be helpful for you guys
[22:13] <Saviq> cwayne, maybe just adapt the one we have already :_
[22:14] <Saviq> cwayne, and re-New it for unity8
[22:15] <cwayne> Saviq, sure, ill do that