[07:33] <forestpiskie> brainwash: < brainwash> ochosi: does the background of gtk3 indicator panel item  become transparent occasionally?
[07:33] <forestpiskie> I get that
[07:42] <pleia2> woo a1 candidate
[07:53] <elfy> pleia2: thanks for reminding me - call going out in a few ... 
[07:53] <elfy> social call a few later please :)
[07:56] <elfy> all done - included -users in alpha testing call
[08:04] <elfy> hi Noskcaj 
[08:04] <Noskcaj> hey elfy 
[08:12] <ochosi> elfy: in what sense?
[08:12] <elfy> ochosi: ... 
[08:13] <elfy> ochosi: oh yea - randomly during machine being on - the indicator -panel area becomes transparent
[08:14] <elfy> next time I'll grab a screenie
[08:14] <elfy> one day I'll just have an always on client that I then use during the day as well :p
[08:19] <ochosi> ok, well good to know
[08:19] <ochosi> actually that should never happen, currently there's a patch there to specifically prevent that
[08:20] <elfy> ok
[08:21] <elfy> I just read it in piskie's backlog :)
[08:25] <ochosi> :)
[08:25] <ochosi> anyway, there's still that bug in the panel to be fixed (i.e. transparency and bg-color/image broken due to gtk3 indicators)
[08:25] <ochosi> hopefully that'll also resolve your issue
[08:27] <elfy> :)
[08:59] <elfy> ochosi: so you don't need a screenshot or anything 
[09:00] <ochosi> elfy: well if you have one, sure, but i trust you if you say it
[09:00] <ochosi> 's transparent
[09:00] <ochosi> i presume there's nothing in the logs about it?
[09:00] <elfy> well - I didn't see it happen so I don't know about the logs - but there is a lot in there atm
[09:01] <ochosi> you can always pastebin them if you want
[09:01] <elfy> some I can see belongs to liferea and the weather ind - welcome to it if you want :)
[09:01] <elfy> ok - 2 ticks then :)
[09:01] <elfy> http://imagebin.org/282588
[09:02] <ochosi> looks nice :>
[09:02] <elfy> http://pastebin.com/qSb0kQaD
[09:02] <elfy> ochosi: personally I liked thew whole panel being transparent - used to use that with gnome
[09:03] <ochosi> there's nothing there
[09:03] <ochosi> yeah, me too
[09:03] <ochosi> i hope we can get this problem with the panel fixed
[09:03] <elfy> nothing where?
[09:03] <ochosi> in your log
[09:03] <elfy> nothing related you mean?
[09:03] <ochosi> yup
[09:03] <ochosi> at least as far as i can tell
[09:04] <elfy> k 
[09:04] <ochosi> 50% is googletalk noise
[09:04] <elfy> ochosi: well - from where I stand - I hope that we get this issue fixed, but I'm more concerned about them landing :)
[09:05] <elfy> googletalk? 
[09:05] <elfy> oh - the hangout stuff I guess
[09:05] <ochosi> yup
[09:05] <ochosi> hangout uses the gtalk plugin
[09:05] <elfy> yea
[09:06] <ochosi> there are some panel errors
[09:06] <ochosi> but i'm not sure they're related
[09:06] <ochosi> hard to tell
[09:06] <elfy> well - if it's hard for you to tell - it's a stone wall certainty that it'd mean 'loads' to me :p
[09:10] <ochosi> :)
[09:33] <slickymaster> morning all
[09:36] <ochosi> morning
[09:57] <slickymaster> knome: ping
[09:59] <elfy> morning slickymaster 
[09:59] <slickymaster> or elfy :)
[09:59] <slickymaster> morning elfy
[10:00] <slickymaster> elfy at you disposal for review, merge and update the tracker https://code.launchpad.net/~slickymaster/ubuntu-manual-tests/ubuntu-manual-tests/+merge/199063
[10:00] <elfy> slickymaster: if you're talking about the merge proposal - I've seen it - I'll look a bit later
[10:00] <elfy> aah - you were :P
[10:01] <slickymaster> after/if you merge it I'll update the card in Trello also 
[10:01] <elfy> you don't actually need to ping us about those - we both get LP mails from there anyway I think :)
[10:01] <elfy> I know I certainly get mails regarding all the testcase stuff
[10:01] <elfy> slickymaster: when I've done - I can update trello :)
[10:02] <slickymaster> yeah I know, but as we're all with out hands full, one thing or another may be overlooked elfy
[10:03] <elfy> good point :p
[10:12] <elfy> slickymaster: why is there 3 unrelated bugs listed against that MP?
[10:13] <slickymaster> well, they're not related with the MP, they're related with the branch, elfy
[10:14] <elfy> oh ok - hope that if there's a bunch of stuff in the branch I don't screw the merge up then
[10:14] <slickymaster> that shouldn't happen as there was no changes with those other two files
[10:15] <slickymaster> elfy, at least theoretically it shouldn't happen
[10:15] <slickymaster> elfy: quick question elfy
[10:16] <slickymaster> have you got the chance to test alpha yet?
[10:16] <elfy> no
[10:17] <slickymaster> elfy: well I did it and ubiquity slides are huge, wondering if it was happening just to me
[10:17] <elfy> bbs
[10:17] <elfy> report it :)
[10:17] <slickymaster> I mean huge in screen size
[10:17] <elfy> I'll be looking in a while
[10:17] <elfy> oh hang on - check the existing bugs - saw that one 
[10:17] <elfy> afk for 15 mins 
[10:17] <slickymaster> bug number?
[10:18] <xnox> slickymaster: as in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/1260396 ?
[10:19] <slickymaster> xnox: sort of
[10:20] <slickymaster> xnox: in my case/alpha1 it never cames back to the correct width
[10:21] <slickymaster> elfy, xnox, I'll comment it in bug 1260396
[10:22] <ochosi> looks funky
[10:24] <xnox> yeah, doesn't change to "normal" size fore me either.
[10:28] <slickymaster> ochosi, xnox, well, to shortsighted people it might be regarded as an improvement ;)
[10:54] <elfy> slickymaster: all done
[10:59] <slickymaster> elfy: ok, you didn't forget to update the tracker, did you? ;)
[11:00] <elfy> nope :)
[11:01] <slickymaster> elfy: going to update Trello
[11:02] <elfy> done that as well :p
[11:02] <slickymaster> elfy: yeah, I saw you beat me on that
[11:03] <slickymaster> :)
[11:03] <elfy> he he he 
[11:32] <slickymaster> elfy: on another note, regarding https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/1256898 do you think we should do an entire new test or can we adjust/re-write http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-testcase/ubuntu-manual-tests/trunk/view/head:/testcases/packages/Xfce/1576_Xfce4%20Session%20and%20Startup%20Settings ?
[11:34] <olli> )
[11:35] <elfy> might be better to do a new one - others might use that and the packages it was written against
[11:35] <slickymaster> ok
[11:38] <elfy> afk for a bit now
[13:00] <slickymaster> bbl
[13:40] <jjfrv8> ochosi, I've redone the xfdesktop Prefs section so please review it when you get a chance
[13:41] <jjfrv8> I basically just tweaked the 4.10 docs and then added a 4.12 diffs section
[13:41] <jjfrv8> slickymaster, instead of messing up your sections with a copy-paste from my old Prefs stuff, I just made a copy of it
[13:42] <jjfrv8> slickymaster, you can just pick and choose anything from it if you want: http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=xfdesktop-docs:preferences:jjfrv8-copy
[13:44] <jjfrv8> slickymaster, and fyi, there's one suggestion from ochosi I didn't implement yet in my old section: http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=xfdesktop-docs:preferences:comments
[13:44] <jjfrv8> slickymaster, I imagine that should go in Usage now
[13:45] <jjfrv8> bblte
[15:30] <slickymaster> ochosi, elfy: regarding https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/Gtk3Indicators there are a bunch of them that just don't show up in Setting Manager
[15:31] <slickymaster> what are you thinking regarding approaching this?
[15:32] <brainwash> in settings manager?
[15:33] <slickymaster> yeaps
[15:33] <brainwash> they are supposed to show up in the panel, or? :)
[15:34] <slickymaster> I think they're supposed to
[15:34] <brainwash> looks like I don't understand the problem
[15:40] <ali1234> slickymaster: that's described in the known issues
[15:41] <ali1234> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-datetime/+bug/1074314
[15:42] <slickymaster> ali1234: yes, I know, but as it is bit vague I was wondering if it might be a particular problem with my VB box
[15:43] <elfy> slickymaster: once we've got a real idea what's going on with them - I'll sort that out
[15:44] <elfy> for the moment just forget about them
[15:44] <slickymaster> okie dokie
[15:45] <elfy> atm indicatoes aren't in settings manager and I personally see no reason why they should be
[15:45] <elfy> bad enough in there as it it :)
[15:45] <slickymaster> agreed
[15:47] <slickymaster> jjfrv8: saw it ^^^ and will try to have it finish this week
[15:49] <slickymaster> jjfrv8, ochosi, regarding http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=xfdesktop-docs:preferences:comments I don't know how I can do this. I just have one monitor.
[15:49] <slickymaster> jjfrv8, ochosi, so if one of you can take this one it would be preferable 
[16:14] <elfy> wb bluesabre or bluesabr1 :p
[16:25] <elfy> ochosi: might be unrelated. might not - harking back to the odd thing with xchat I was getting
[16:25] <elfy> did a panel restart to get sound ind back 
[16:25] <ochosi> ok
[16:26] <elfy> xchat became completely unresponsive
[16:26] <ochosi> interestign
[16:26] <elfy> just thought I'd mention that
[16:26] <ochosi> but it's really odd that it only affects xchat
[16:26] <elfy> in other related news - I've not had that again since I installed nvidia
[16:27] <elfy> yea - agreed, just passing on info as I find it :)
[16:27] <ochosi> so wait, it just happens with xchat and nouveau?
[16:27] <elfy> seems to 
[16:27] <elfy> though this latest panel restart/xchat dying was with nvidia - so it might just be coincidental :)
[16:29] <ochosi> crap
[16:29] <brainwash> what does xchat do with the sound indicator? I could test and maybe confirm it
[16:29] <ochosi> sounds bad
[16:30] <ochosi> brainwash: just fyi, i asked Noskcaj to set up a PPA with powermanager + suse-patches
[16:31] <ochosi> he said he'll try to do it asap, but in case he forgets and i forget to remind him, feel free to remind him :]
[16:31] <brainwash> ok :)
[16:32] <brainwash> that reminds me of the lock_hint issue, robert did not really give us an answer
[16:33] <ochosi> well, not really
[16:33] <slickymaster> ochosi: did you saw what I said about your comments on http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=xfdesktop-docs:preferences:comments ?
[16:33] <ochosi> slickymaster: i did, haven't had time to review jjfrv8's page yet, but i guess one of us can do the multi-monitor thingy
[16:33] <slickymaster> ochosi: great
 ochosi: what I'll do is leave nvidia installed for a couple of days and then remove it and go back to nouveau
 brainwash: story goes - xchat goes like this http://imagebin.org/282133 with nouveau, nothing in startxfce logs - couple of occurrences of that - install nvidia - no occurrences of that with xchat since then - restart panel - (gains sound ind/loses panel transparency) - xchat unresponsive
 that get's you up to date :)
[16:38] <hobgoblin> you'll have not seen that ^^
[16:41] <brainwash> I will launch xchat and see what it does
[16:42] <elfy> with nouevea?
[16:43] <brainwash> with AMD :)
[16:43] <elfy> brainwash: it doesn't happen immediately - just so you know
[16:44] <elfy> well - we'll see - but as it is isn't happening with nvidia, might not with amd either
[16:44] <elfy> bbl
[17:08] <slickymaster> bbl
[17:23] <kendall> Hello!
[17:23] <kendall> <-- new guy
[17:23] <kendall> :)
[17:23] <pleia2> welcome kendall 
[17:23] <kendall> thanks
[17:23] <kendall> I just started using xubuntu
[17:24] <kendall> already developing a touchscreen calibration fix, so I figured I would start chatting around about it
[17:24] <kendall> but it's written in java... 
[17:25] <kendall> that might be taboo here... I dunno
[17:25] <kendall> lol, I'm new
[17:26] <pleia2> might want to have a look at our strategy document to get a better idea of how we do things :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/StrategyDocument
[17:26] <kendall> thanks pleia2
[17:26] <pleia2> we don't see a lot of java around here
[17:26] <kendall> that is what I expected
[17:26] <kendall> I just worked out that program as a proof of concept
[17:27] <kendall> next I will work it into a more acceptable language
[17:27] <kendall> one that doesn't require installing anything to run
[17:27]  * pleia2 nods
[17:28] <pleia2> not much effort on touchscreens has been put into xubuntu directly either
[17:28] <kendall> well, it's not quite the standard yet
[17:28] <GridCube> i have a touchscreen netbook 
[17:28] <GridCube> :D if you need a tester for stuffs
[17:28] <kendall> becoming more so every day, however
[17:28] <kendall> sweet! :)
[17:28] <kendall> I will let you know GridCube
[17:29]  * pleia2 heads off to work
[17:29] <kendall> msg me your contact info and I will send it over when I complete it
[17:29] <GridCube> that machine runs 12.04 tho
[17:29] <GridCube> i will upgrade it to 14.04 when it comes out
[17:29] <kendall> it's working as a stand alone java class right now, but I want to make it a clickable .jar file, so that's what I'm working on before I release it
[17:30] <kendall> if anyone would like to have a copy of my touch screen calibration fix in java just msg kendallmcintosh@gmail.com
[17:31] <kendall> it is still in alpha stag though, so it does need testing
[17:33] <kendall> *stage
[17:34] <kendall> loving xubuntu, though!  it rocks
[17:36] <kendall> I was looking for a solid distro that doesn't contain useless features that bloat my system
[17:36] <kendall> I'm in love with xubuntu
[17:43] <ochosi> there was someone on the xfce-dev mailinglist also doing stuff for touchscreens
[17:44] <ochosi> don't remember who or where, must've been a while ago already
[17:46] <ochosi> kendall: that guy is also working on touchscreen stuff obviously (follow that thread to the end), you might wanna get in touch with him: http://mail.xfce.org/pipermail/xfce4-dev/2013-January/030128.html
[17:47] <ochosi> and yeah, xfce's core is mostly written in c, some not-core stuff is vala and even less is python
[17:50] <kendall> thanks
[17:53] <kendall> I know java is not a popular choice, but it's just a proof of concept.  I'd like to integrate it into the OS, or at least add a good app to the repository.  It is still not an automated task yet (ie. requires user input), so it's a ways off from being automated enough to include in the distro
[17:56] <ochosi> i don't know whether automization is the main criterion for an app to be good
[17:57] <ochosi> frankly, i have no clue what and how you customize the touchscreen (cause i don't have one), so... :)
[17:57] <ochosi> but it's always nice to see a new face or a new contributor around
[18:03] <kendall> :-)
[18:04] <kendall> it's nice to come into a project and community that is worth contributing to!
[18:35] <GridCube> kendall, my problem with my touchscreen is that linux doesnt dinamycally rotates the screen, if i want to rotate it i need to run a script to change the layout, and then recalibrate the touchscreen interface to work with it
[18:35] <kendall> hmmmm
[18:36] <kendall> you rotate the screen?  what is reported when you run "xrandr" in the terminal?
[18:37] <kendall> if the screen reports it's coordinates as rotated in xrandr then my program will likely calibrate your touch screen correctly 
[18:39] <kendall> my program basically has you pick your touch screen out of a list (limited right now to dual screens only)
[18:39] <kendall> then you select your touch device
[18:39] <kendall> and it calibrates the coordinates based on position and size reported from xrandr
[18:40] <kendall> so it will handle if the screen is left-of, above, right-of, or below
[18:40] <kendall> it doesn't care if the screen is rotated
[18:40] <kendall> because the height and width of the screen should be reported as such
[18:54] <GridCube> kendall, yes i have a small script by the screen manufactured that does that :P
[18:59] <Noskcaj> ochosi, Is it just the three systemd patches that i should have in the ppa?
[19:04] <kendall> GridCude... just curious.  can you send me xrandr output from your system
[19:05] <kendall> you're making me think about screen rotation... which is good
[19:05] <kendall> I'd like to see what the output is before you run the manufacturer script and then after
[19:05] <kendall> I think my program wouldn't care, but it might
[19:22] <ochosi> Noskcaj: yes, please
[19:22] <ochosi> we can always look into the others later
[19:41] <Noskcaj> PPA is up, waiting for buildd
[19:54] <Noskcaj> ochosi, Any idea what https://launchpadlibrarian.net/159951261/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-amd64.xfce4-power-manager_1.2.0-3ubuntu1systemd1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz is from?
[19:55] <Noskcaj> I'll try a build without autoreconf
[19:59] <Noskcaj> yep, that fixed it
[20:21] <a5m0> hi, i downloaded one of the daily isos for 14.04 but it doesn't seem to do anything on my laptop, is the installer in a known broken state or is it something on my end?
[20:28] <elfy> team - is anything being done about the user session patch that's kicking about waiting?
[20:29] <elfy> a5m0: hi - not broken that badly afaik
[20:29] <elfy> what's actually happening for you? 
[20:29] <elfy> a5m0: how did you get the iso - what have you booted it with? 
[20:31] <elfy> a5m0: you can see what bugs people have seen so far here http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/309/builds/59196/testcases and here http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/309/builds/59197/testcases
[20:33] <ochosi> Noskcaj: nice, so the build succeeded?
[20:34] <Noskcaj> All builds fine. https://launchpad.net/~noskcaj/+archive/power-manager-systemd
[20:34] <ochosi> awesome work Noskcaj 
[20:34] <ochosi> brainwash: let's test this then ^
[20:34] <Noskcaj> :)
[20:34] <a5m0> elfy: i put it on usb with unetbootin
[20:35] <Noskcaj> I just hope that leave xdt-autogen on didn't break anything. We need to fix it with autoreconf before it can go in the archive
[20:35] <elfy> a5m0: did you hashcheck the iso before hand 
[20:35] <elfy> a5m0: just booting with the 64bit now in a vm
[20:36] <ochosi> Noskcaj: we'll see, i'll test on saucy and i hope that brainwash will do some testing on both saucy and trusty
[20:36] <Noskcaj> a5m0, Have you got the latest unetbootin installed? 585-2ubuntu1
[20:36] <brainwash> mmh, this one is a bit tricky... I don't use the power manager at all
[20:37] <ochosi> brainwash: install it and try to use suspend/hibernate through the trayicon-menu
[20:37] <elfy> a5m0: after Try Xubuntu - there is a bug - which means you have to use username xubuntu and also change language
[20:37] <brainwash> uhm, this is not a valid test case, or?
[20:37] <a5m0> elfy: md5 checks out
[20:37] <brainwash> it's about button and lid events
[20:38] <a5m0> nothing shows on my screen after i hit enter on try xubuntu or install from unetbootin
[20:38] <brainwash> ochosi: bug 1222021
[20:38] <ochosi> not only that
[20:38] <elfy> a5m0: what hardware 
[20:39] <ochosi> brb
[20:39] <a5m0> dell latitude e6439
[20:39] <a5m0> e6430*
[20:40] <elfy> mmm - should be fine
[20:41] <brainwash> ochosi: not only? but this is the part which has not been implemented/patches yet, support for suspend/hibernate via logind/systemd was already added
[20:43] <brainwash> ochosi: so I will test if the power manager reacts to power button press (should show the shutdown dialog and prevent systemd from doing anything)
[20:46] <elfy> a5m0: maybe try booting with nomodeset option - boot - when you see man and kbd - hit any key - F6 - choose nomodeset
[20:47] <a5m0> well that's interesting, f6 didnt' give me any neat options
[20:47] <a5m0> but it actually booted 
[20:48] <a5m0> how do you change language?
[20:48] <Noskcaj> ochosi, When you get back, should i have addd dh_systemd
[20:48] <Noskcaj> *added
[20:49] <elfy> a5m0: at login window - which you'll get to eventually - top right - one of the dropdowns is for language - think it's the 'flag' one
[20:49] <a5m0> thanks
[20:52] <elfy> a5m0: welcome - and thanks for testing - please make sure to report results for us :)
[20:53] <a5m0> oh i will, i was having issues getting nvidia-prime/optimus working on 13.10 so i figured i would try 14.04
[20:53] <elfy> :)
[20:54] <elfy> Unit193: you know what's going on with bug 1259525
[20:54] <elfy> I know it's triaged 
[20:54] <elfy> a5m0: change the session to xubuntu as well I think is needed
[20:55] <a5m0> looks more like regular xfce skinning than xubuntu skin?
[20:55] <elfy> I was too late then ... 
[20:55] <a5m0> didn't see anything on the dropdown
[20:55] <a5m0> well it shouldn't mess up my install right?
[20:56] <elfy> might do 
[20:56] <a5m0> eh ok i'll just restart
[21:00] <a5m0> switched it to xubuntu session but it still looks like some xfce notes to it
[21:01] <elfy> here with xubuntu session/english uk it looks normal
[21:02] <elfy> but that bug is known - mentioned it just a couple of lines up 
[21:06] <elfy> jjfrv8: I changed your fail here to a pass - the testcase doesn't say anything about even looking at menus - left the bug reported though - http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/309/builds/59196/testcases/1302/results/
[21:07] <elfy> gtg now - night all
[21:09] <a5m0> password screen for full disc encryption is borked
[21:09] <a5m0> shows a bunch of square characters instead of "please enter your password" prompt
[21:10] <a5m0> also login-automatically in installer did not seem to actually affect the install, still required login
[21:29] <andrzejr> not sure if that's a bug or something limited to my setup: xubuntu 13.10 64b with full disc encryption is very slow when uncompressing a large tar file.
[21:30] <andrzejr> Cursor moves with jumps, gui responds slowly, no obvious cpu hoggers but there are a couple of kworker threads 10% cpu each, tar - another 10%.
[21:35] <brainwash> a5m0: bug 1260792
[21:41] <brainwash> Noskcaj: you should add a comment to bug 1222021 and inform the affected users so they can test the PPA
[21:52] <forestpiskie> and please make sure to mail the -dev list with it - as long as the required information is available there's no reason why we can't put a call out for it in a day or so as well
[21:52] <forestpiskie> Noskcaj: ^^
[23:02] <sergiobenrocha2> hey guys
[23:02] <ochosi> Noskcaj: wait, you're asking me? i thought you're the packager :)
[23:02] <ochosi> hey andrzejr 
[23:02] <sergiobenrocha2> is Greybird the default theme style for xubuntu trusty?
[23:02] <ochosi> sergiobenrocha2: yup, at least that's the plan
[23:02] <sergiobenrocha2> ok
[23:03] <sergiobenrocha2> it`s weird
[23:05] <sergiobenrocha2> what ppa`s should I install to test xubuntu?
[23:05] <sergiobenrocha2> there is for gtk3, and for whisker menu, are there other?
[23:08] <ochosi> yeah, there's a shimmer daily PPA
[23:08] <ochosi> for the gtk themes and icon-thee
[23:08] <ochosi> theme
[23:08] <ochosi> and the xfce4.12 xubuntu-dev ppa
[23:09] <sergiobenrocha2> well, but xfce 4.12 will arrive in trusty?
[23:09] <sergiobenrocha2> i thougth that the default was 4.10, with some things of 4.11
[23:11] <ochosi> the PPA is called 4.12
[23:12] <ochosi> because it contains components that will be released with 4.12
[23:12] <ochosi> at the moment, it's all 4.11 (the dev-releases between 4.10 and 12)
[23:12] <sergiobenrocha2> hum, yes
[23:15] <sergiobenrocha2> ok
[23:21] <sergiobenrocha2> so, it is only this PPA:
[23:21] <sergiobenrocha2> ppa:xubuntu-dev/xfce-4.12
[23:21] <sergiobenrocha2> ppa:noskcaj/indicator-gtk3
[23:21] <sergiobenrocha2> ppa:shimmerproject/daily
[23:21] <sergiobenrocha2> ppa:gottcode/gcppa
[23:22] <ochosi> pretty much
[23:22] <sergiobenrocha2> ok, thanks
[23:22] <ochosi> you can also use more stuff, e.g. the lightdm-gtk-greeter PPA, the light-locker PPA
[23:22] <ochosi> and the parole daily PPA
[23:23] <ochosi> (those things will hopefully also land in 14.04)
[23:23] <sergiobenrocha2> LightDM GTK+ Greeter Daily ?
[23:24] <sergiobenrocha2> and Light-Locker Daily ?
[23:25] <ochosi> yeah
[23:26] <ochosi> but you can also incrementally add those
[23:26] <ochosi> to test things one after the otehr
[23:26] <ochosi> but theoretically they should all work (they do for me in saucy)
[23:26] <sergiobenrocha2> one by one? yes
[23:27] <sergiobenrocha2> Parole is not in xfce-4.12 ppa?
[23:28] <ochosi> oh, well it is actually
[23:28] <ochosi> in fact we're preparing a new release
[23:28] <ochosi> should happen any day now
[23:28] <ochosi> so you can also wait until it lands there (might take until after christmas)
[23:29] <sergiobenrocha2> hum, ok
[23:29] <brainwash> ppa madness
[23:30] <ochosi> :)
[23:30] <sergiobenrocha2> and, if I get um bug, how can i report in launchpad? There is problem report PPA with ubuntu-bug
[23:30] <ochosi> brainwash: become and uploader and improve thigns ;)
[23:31] <brainwash> why not push all the stuff into the official ppa?
[23:31] <brainwash> uhm repo
[23:31] <brainwash> so you just download the trusty daily image =S
[23:33] <brainwash> I get trillions of package updates every day
[23:35] <brainwash> so pushing all the ppa packages shouldn't be a problem in the trusty dev cycle, or?
[23:37] <sergiobenrocha2> it's 6 PPA's for test...
[23:38] <sergiobenrocha2> whisker menu, i used it a lot in saucy, i think it is good for official repo
[23:39] <brainwash> whisker menu is already available in trusty
[23:39] <brainwash> same for light-locker
[23:39] <brainwash> but the integration is missing
[23:40] <sergiobenrocha2> hey, it's true
[23:42] <sergiobenrocha2> whisker is up-to-date in official repo
[23:42] <sergiobenrocha2> hey, Synaptic is missing in trusty...
[23:42] <sergiobenrocha2> is it default in system, in saucy?
[23:43] <GridCube> synaptic has not been default for a few releases already
[23:45] <sergiobenrocha2> humm
[23:47] <sergiobenrocha2> what packages i should purge to use light-locker?
[23:48] <brainwash> none actually
[23:48] <ochosi> xscreensaver?
[23:48] <brainwash> make sure that xscreensaver does not launch on startup
[23:48] <sergiobenrocha2> all xscreensaver?
[23:49] <ochosi> or just purge it?
[23:49] <sergiobenrocha2> hum, in "Session and Startup" ?
[23:49] <brainwash> yes
[23:50] <ochosi> brainwash: even if it's not there in startup, won't xflock launch it upon trying to lock?
[23:50] <brainwash> or "just purge it"
[23:50] <sergiobenrocha2> ok
[23:51] <brainwash> does the command tool launch xscreensaver?
[23:51] <brainwash> or light-locker?
[23:51] <brainwash> xscreensaver-command / light-locker-command
[23:51] <brainwash> sergiobenrocha2: you should also apply this patch https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/xfce4-session/light-locker
[23:52] <brainwash> which means editing the shell script /usr/bin/xflock4
[23:53] <sergiobenrocha2> so, i have to compile light-locker?
[23:54] <brainwash> no
[23:55] <brainwash> but you should edit the mentioned file 
[23:55] <sergiobenrocha2> hum, i don't understand, the link is to source
[23:55] <sergiobenrocha2> hum, let me see
[23:56] <brainwash> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/xfce4-session/light-locker/revision/79#scripts/xflock4
[23:57] <brainwash> it changes a shell script, so you don't need to compile anything
[23:57] <sergiobenrocha2> scripts/xflock4 ?
[23:57] <brainwash> /usr/bin/xflock4
[23:57] <sergiobenrocha2> hum, ok
[23:59] <sergiobenrocha2> it's only 2 lines, ok