[07:33] brainwash: < brainwash> ochosi: does the background of gtk3 indicator panel item become transparent occasionally? [07:33] I get that [07:42] woo a1 candidate [07:53] pleia2: thanks for reminding me - call going out in a few ... [07:53] social call a few later please :) [07:56] all done - included -users in alpha testing call [08:04] hi Noskcaj [08:04] hey elfy [08:12] elfy: in what sense? [08:12] ochosi: ... [08:13] ochosi: oh yea - randomly during machine being on - the indicator -panel area becomes transparent [08:14] next time I'll grab a screenie [08:14] one day I'll just have an always on client that I then use during the day as well :p [08:19] ok, well good to know [08:19] actually that should never happen, currently there's a patch there to specifically prevent that [08:20] ok [08:21] I just read it in piskie's backlog :) [08:25] :) [08:25] anyway, there's still that bug in the panel to be fixed (i.e. transparency and bg-color/image broken due to gtk3 indicators) [08:25] hopefully that'll also resolve your issue [08:27] :) [08:59] ochosi: so you don't need a screenshot or anything [09:00] elfy: well if you have one, sure, but i trust you if you say it [09:00] 's transparent [09:00] i presume there's nothing in the logs about it? [09:00] well - I didn't see it happen so I don't know about the logs - but there is a lot in there atm [09:01] you can always pastebin them if you want [09:01] some I can see belongs to liferea and the weather ind - welcome to it if you want :) [09:01] ok - 2 ticks then :) [09:01] http://imagebin.org/282588 [09:02] looks nice :> [09:02] http://pastebin.com/qSb0kQaD [09:02] ochosi: personally I liked thew whole panel being transparent - used to use that with gnome [09:03] there's nothing there [09:03] yeah, me too [09:03] i hope we can get this problem with the panel fixed [09:03] nothing where? [09:03] in your log [09:03] nothing related you mean? [09:03] yup [09:03] at least as far as i can tell [09:04] k [09:04] 50% is googletalk noise [09:04] ochosi: well - from where I stand - I hope that we get this issue fixed, but I'm more concerned about them landing :) [09:05] googletalk? [09:05] oh - the hangout stuff I guess [09:05] yup [09:05] hangout uses the gtalk plugin [09:05] yea [09:06] there are some panel errors [09:06] but i'm not sure they're related [09:06] hard to tell [09:06] well - if it's hard for you to tell - it's a stone wall certainty that it'd mean 'loads' to me :p [09:10] :) [09:33] morning all [09:36] morning [09:57] knome: ping [09:59] morning slickymaster [09:59] or elfy :) [09:59] morning elfy [10:00] elfy at you disposal for review, merge and update the tracker https://code.launchpad.net/~slickymaster/ubuntu-manual-tests/ubuntu-manual-tests/+merge/199063 [10:00] slickymaster: if you're talking about the merge proposal - I've seen it - I'll look a bit later [10:00] aah - you were :P [10:01] after/if you merge it I'll update the card in Trello also [10:01] you don't actually need to ping us about those - we both get LP mails from there anyway I think :) [10:01] I know I certainly get mails regarding all the testcase stuff [10:01] slickymaster: when I've done - I can update trello :) [10:02] yeah I know, but as we're all with out hands full, one thing or another may be overlooked elfy [10:03] good point :p [10:12] slickymaster: why is there 3 unrelated bugs listed against that MP? [10:13] well, they're not related with the MP, they're related with the branch, elfy [10:14] oh ok - hope that if there's a bunch of stuff in the branch I don't screw the merge up then [10:14] that shouldn't happen as there was no changes with those other two files [10:15] elfy, at least theoretically it shouldn't happen [10:15] elfy: quick question elfy [10:16] have you got the chance to test alpha yet? [10:16] no [10:17] elfy: well I did it and ubiquity slides are huge, wondering if it was happening just to me [10:17] bbs [10:17] report it :) [10:17] I mean huge in screen size [10:17] I'll be looking in a while [10:17] oh hang on - check the existing bugs - saw that one [10:17] afk for 15 mins [10:17] bug number? [10:18] slickymaster: as in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/1260396 ? [10:18] Ubuntu bug 1260396 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubiquity window spans width of screen" [High,Confirmed] [10:19] xnox: sort of [10:20] xnox: in my case/alpha1 it never cames back to the correct width [10:21] elfy, xnox, I'll comment it in bug 1260396 [10:21] bug 1260396 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubiquity window spans width of screen" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1260396 [10:22] looks funky [10:24] yeah, doesn't change to "normal" size fore me either. [10:28] ochosi, xnox, well, to shortsighted people it might be regarded as an improvement ;) [10:54] slickymaster: all done [10:59] elfy: ok, you didn't forget to update the tracker, did you? ;) [11:00] nope :) [11:01] elfy: going to update Trello [11:02] done that as well :p [11:02] elfy: yeah, I saw you beat me on that [11:03] :) [11:03] he he he [11:32] elfy: on another note, regarding https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/1256898 do you think we should do an entire new test or can we adjust/re-write http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-testcase/ubuntu-manual-tests/trunk/view/head:/testcases/packages/Xfce/1576_Xfce4%20Session%20and%20Startup%20Settings ? [11:32] Ubuntu bug 1256898 in Ubuntu Manual Tests "Test Needed : xfce4 session handling" [Undecided,In progress] [11:34] ) [11:35] might be better to do a new one - others might use that and the packages it was written against [11:35] ok [11:38] afk for a bit now [13:00] bbl [13:40] ochosi, I've redone the xfdesktop Prefs section so please review it when you get a chance [13:41] I basically just tweaked the 4.10 docs and then added a 4.12 diffs section [13:41] slickymaster, instead of messing up your sections with a copy-paste from my old Prefs stuff, I just made a copy of it [13:42] slickymaster, you can just pick and choose anything from it if you want: http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=xfdesktop-docs:preferences:jjfrv8-copy [13:44] slickymaster, and fyi, there's one suggestion from ochosi I didn't implement yet in my old section: http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=xfdesktop-docs:preferences:comments [13:44] slickymaster, I imagine that should go in Usage now [13:45] bblte [15:30] ochosi, elfy: regarding https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/Gtk3Indicators there are a bunch of them that just don't show up in Setting Manager [15:31] what are you thinking regarding approaching this? [15:32] in settings manager? [15:33] yeaps [15:33] they are supposed to show up in the panel, or? :) [15:34] I think they're supposed to [15:34] looks like I don't understand the problem [15:40] slickymaster: that's described in the known issues [15:41] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-datetime/+bug/1074314 [15:41] Ubuntu bug 1074314 in indicator-datetime (Ubuntu) "indicator-datetime configuration panel only works in Unity session" [Undecided,Confirmed] [15:42] ali1234: yes, I know, but as it is bit vague I was wondering if it might be a particular problem with my VB box [15:43] slickymaster: once we've got a real idea what's going on with them - I'll sort that out [15:44] for the moment just forget about them [15:44] okie dokie [15:45] atm indicatoes aren't in settings manager and I personally see no reason why they should be [15:45] bad enough in there as it it :) [15:45] agreed [15:47] jjfrv8: saw it ^^^ and will try to have it finish this week [15:49] jjfrv8, ochosi, regarding http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=xfdesktop-docs:preferences:comments I don't know how I can do this. I just have one monitor. [15:49] jjfrv8, ochosi, so if one of you can take this one it would be preferable === G4MBY2 is now known as PaulW2U === G4MBY2 is now known as PaulW2U [16:14] wb bluesabre or bluesabr1 :p [16:25] ochosi: might be unrelated. might not - harking back to the odd thing with xchat I was getting [16:25] did a panel restart to get sound ind back [16:25] ok [16:26] xchat became completely unresponsive [16:26] interestign [16:26] just thought I'd mention that [16:26] but it's really odd that it only affects xchat [16:26] in other related news - I've not had that again since I installed nvidia [16:27] yea - agreed, just passing on info as I find it :) [16:27] so wait, it just happens with xchat and nouveau? [16:27] seems to [16:27] though this latest panel restart/xchat dying was with nvidia - so it might just be coincidental :) [16:29] crap [16:29] what does xchat do with the sound indicator? I could test and maybe confirm it [16:29] sounds bad [16:30] brainwash: just fyi, i asked Noskcaj to set up a PPA with powermanager + suse-patches [16:31] he said he'll try to do it asap, but in case he forgets and i forget to remind him, feel free to remind him :] [16:31] ok :) [16:32] that reminds me of the lock_hint issue, robert did not really give us an answer [16:33] well, not really [16:33] ochosi: did you saw what I said about your comments on http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=xfdesktop-docs:preferences:comments ? [16:33] slickymaster: i did, haven't had time to review jjfrv8's page yet, but i guess one of us can do the multi-monitor thingy [16:33] ochosi: great [16:38] ochosi: what I'll do is leave nvidia installed for a couple of days and then remove it and go back to nouveau [16:38] brainwash: story goes - xchat goes like this http://imagebin.org/282133 with nouveau, nothing in startxfce logs - couple of occurrences of that - install nvidia - no occurrences of that with xchat since then - restart panel - (gains sound ind/loses panel transparency) - xchat unresponsive [16:38] that get's you up to date :) [16:38] you'll have not seen that ^^ === hobgoblin is now known as elfy [16:41] I will launch xchat and see what it does [16:42] with nouevea? [16:43] with AMD :) [16:43] brainwash: it doesn't happen immediately - just so you know [16:44] well - we'll see - but as it is isn't happening with nvidia, might not with amd either [16:44] bbl [17:08] bbl [17:23] Hello! [17:23] <-- new guy [17:23] :) [17:23] welcome kendall [17:23] thanks [17:23] I just started using xubuntu [17:24] already developing a touchscreen calibration fix, so I figured I would start chatting around about it [17:24] but it's written in java... [17:25] that might be taboo here... I dunno [17:25] lol, I'm new [17:26] might want to have a look at our strategy document to get a better idea of how we do things :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/StrategyDocument [17:26] thanks pleia2 [17:26] we don't see a lot of java around here [17:26] that is what I expected [17:26] I just worked out that program as a proof of concept [17:27] next I will work it into a more acceptable language [17:27] one that doesn't require installing anything to run [17:27] * pleia2 nods [17:28] not much effort on touchscreens has been put into xubuntu directly either [17:28] well, it's not quite the standard yet [17:28] i have a touchscreen netbook [17:28] :D if you need a tester for stuffs [17:28] becoming more so every day, however [17:28] sweet! :) [17:28] I will let you know GridCube [17:29] * pleia2 heads off to work [17:29] msg me your contact info and I will send it over when I complete it [17:29] that machine runs 12.04 tho [17:29] i will upgrade it to 14.04 when it comes out [17:29] it's working as a stand alone java class right now, but I want to make it a clickable .jar file, so that's what I'm working on before I release it [17:30] if anyone would like to have a copy of my touch screen calibration fix in java just msg kendallmcintosh@gmail.com [17:31] it is still in alpha stag though, so it does need testing [17:33] *stage [17:34] loving xubuntu, though! it rocks [17:36] I was looking for a solid distro that doesn't contain useless features that bloat my system [17:36] I'm in love with xubuntu [17:43] there was someone on the xfce-dev mailinglist also doing stuff for touchscreens [17:44] don't remember who or where, must've been a while ago already [17:46] kendall: that guy is also working on touchscreen stuff obviously (follow that thread to the end), you might wanna get in touch with him: http://mail.xfce.org/pipermail/xfce4-dev/2013-January/030128.html [17:47] and yeah, xfce's core is mostly written in c, some not-core stuff is vala and even less is python [17:50] thanks [17:53] I know java is not a popular choice, but it's just a proof of concept. I'd like to integrate it into the OS, or at least add a good app to the repository. It is still not an automated task yet (ie. requires user input), so it's a ways off from being automated enough to include in the distro [17:56] i don't know whether automization is the main criterion for an app to be good [17:57] frankly, i have no clue what and how you customize the touchscreen (cause i don't have one), so... :) [17:57] but it's always nice to see a new face or a new contributor around [18:03] :-) [18:04] it's nice to come into a project and community that is worth contributing to! [18:35] kendall, my problem with my touchscreen is that linux doesnt dinamycally rotates the screen, if i want to rotate it i need to run a script to change the layout, and then recalibrate the touchscreen interface to work with it [18:35] hmmmm [18:36] you rotate the screen? what is reported when you run "xrandr" in the terminal? [18:37] if the screen reports it's coordinates as rotated in xrandr then my program will likely calibrate your touch screen correctly [18:39] my program basically has you pick your touch screen out of a list (limited right now to dual screens only) [18:39] then you select your touch device [18:39] and it calibrates the coordinates based on position and size reported from xrandr [18:40] so it will handle if the screen is left-of, above, right-of, or below [18:40] it doesn't care if the screen is rotated [18:40] because the height and width of the screen should be reported as such [18:54] kendall, yes i have a small script by the screen manufactured that does that :P [18:59] ochosi, Is it just the three systemd patches that i should have in the ppa? [19:04] GridCude... just curious. can you send me xrandr output from your system [19:05] you're making me think about screen rotation... which is good [19:05] I'd like to see what the output is before you run the manufacturer script and then after [19:05] I think my program wouldn't care, but it might [19:22] Noskcaj: yes, please [19:22] we can always look into the others later [19:41] PPA is up, waiting for buildd [19:54] ochosi, Any idea what https://launchpadlibrarian.net/159951261/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-amd64.xfce4-power-manager_1.2.0-3ubuntu1systemd1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz is from? [19:55] I'll try a build without autoreconf [19:59] yep, that fixed it [20:21] hi, i downloaded one of the daily isos for 14.04 but it doesn't seem to do anything on my laptop, is the installer in a known broken state or is it something on my end? [20:28] team - is anything being done about the user session patch that's kicking about waiting? [20:29] a5m0: hi - not broken that badly afaik [20:29] what's actually happening for you? [20:29] a5m0: how did you get the iso - what have you booted it with? [20:31] a5m0: you can see what bugs people have seen so far here http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/309/builds/59196/testcases and here http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/309/builds/59197/testcases [20:33] Noskcaj: nice, so the build succeeded? [20:34] All builds fine. https://launchpad.net/~noskcaj/+archive/power-manager-systemd [20:34] awesome work Noskcaj [20:34] brainwash: let's test this then ^ [20:34] :) [20:34] elfy: i put it on usb with unetbootin [20:35] I just hope that leave xdt-autogen on didn't break anything. We need to fix it with autoreconf before it can go in the archive [20:35] a5m0: did you hashcheck the iso before hand [20:35] a5m0: just booting with the 64bit now in a vm [20:36] Noskcaj: we'll see, i'll test on saucy and i hope that brainwash will do some testing on both saucy and trusty [20:36] a5m0, Have you got the latest unetbootin installed? 585-2ubuntu1 [20:36] mmh, this one is a bit tricky... I don't use the power manager at all [20:37] brainwash: install it and try to use suspend/hibernate through the trayicon-menu [20:37] a5m0: after Try Xubuntu - there is a bug - which means you have to use username xubuntu and also change language [20:37] uhm, this is not a valid test case, or? [20:37] elfy: md5 checks out [20:37] it's about button and lid events [20:38] nothing shows on my screen after i hit enter on try xubuntu or install from unetbootin [20:38] ochosi: bug 1222021 [20:38] bug 1222021 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "xfce4-power-manager does not inhibit systemd from handling buttons and lid events" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1222021 [20:38] not only that [20:38] a5m0: what hardware [20:39] brb [20:39] dell latitude e6439 [20:39] e6430* [20:40] mmm - should be fine [20:41] ochosi: not only? but this is the part which has not been implemented/patches yet, support for suspend/hibernate via logind/systemd was already added [20:43] ochosi: so I will test if the power manager reacts to power button press (should show the shutdown dialog and prevent systemd from doing anything) [20:46] a5m0: maybe try booting with nomodeset option - boot - when you see man and kbd - hit any key - F6 - choose nomodeset [20:47] well that's interesting, f6 didnt' give me any neat options [20:47] but it actually booted [20:48] how do you change language? [20:48] ochosi, When you get back, should i have addd dh_systemd [20:48] *added [20:49] a5m0: at login window - which you'll get to eventually - top right - one of the dropdowns is for language - think it's the 'flag' one [20:49] thanks [20:52] a5m0: welcome - and thanks for testing - please make sure to report results for us :) [20:53] oh i will, i was having issues getting nvidia-prime/optimus working on 13.10 so i figured i would try 14.04 [20:53] :) [20:54] Unit193: you know what's going on with bug 1259525 [20:54] bug 1259525 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Lubuntu & Xubuntu lightdm session fails to start. user-session is not set" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1259525 [20:54] I know it's triaged [20:54] a5m0: change the session to xubuntu as well I think is needed [20:55] looks more like regular xfce skinning than xubuntu skin? [20:55] I was too late then ... [20:55] didn't see anything on the dropdown [20:55] well it shouldn't mess up my install right? [20:56] might do [20:56] eh ok i'll just restart [21:00] switched it to xubuntu session but it still looks like some xfce notes to it [21:01] here with xubuntu session/english uk it looks normal [21:02] but that bug is known - mentioned it just a couple of lines up [21:06] jjfrv8: I changed your fail here to a pass - the testcase doesn't say anything about even looking at menus - left the bug reported though - http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/309/builds/59196/testcases/1302/results/ [21:07] gtg now - night all [21:09] password screen for full disc encryption is borked [21:09] shows a bunch of square characters instead of "please enter your password" prompt [21:10] also login-automatically in installer did not seem to actually affect the install, still required login [21:29] not sure if that's a bug or something limited to my setup: xubuntu 13.10 64b with full disc encryption is very slow when uncompressing a large tar file. [21:30] Cursor moves with jumps, gui responds slowly, no obvious cpu hoggers but there are a couple of kworker threads 10% cpu each, tar - another 10%. [21:35] a5m0: bug 1260792 [21:35] bug 1260792 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "Plymouth font shows only square/rectangle glyphs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1260792 [21:41] Noskcaj: you should add a comment to bug 1222021 and inform the affected users so they can test the PPA [21:41] bug 1222021 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "xfce4-power-manager does not inhibit systemd from handling buttons and lid events" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1222021 [21:52] and please make sure to mail the -dev list with it - as long as the required information is available there's no reason why we can't put a call out for it in a day or so as well [21:52] Noskcaj: ^^ === xubuntu is now known as Guest95482 [23:02] hey guys [23:02] Noskcaj: wait, you're asking me? i thought you're the packager :) [23:02] hey andrzejr [23:02] is Greybird the default theme style for xubuntu trusty? [23:02] sergiobenrocha2: yup, at least that's the plan [23:02] ok [23:03] it`s weird [23:05] what ppa`s should I install to test xubuntu? [23:05] there is for gtk3, and for whisker menu, are there other? [23:08] yeah, there's a shimmer daily PPA [23:08] for the gtk themes and icon-thee [23:08] theme [23:08] and the xfce4.12 xubuntu-dev ppa [23:09] well, but xfce 4.12 will arrive in trusty? [23:09] i thougth that the default was 4.10, with some things of 4.11 [23:11] the PPA is called 4.12 [23:12] because it contains components that will be released with 4.12 [23:12] at the moment, it's all 4.11 (the dev-releases between 4.10 and 12) [23:12] hum, yes [23:15] ok [23:21] so, it is only this PPA: [23:21] ppa:xubuntu-dev/xfce-4.12 [23:21] ppa:noskcaj/indicator-gtk3 [23:21] ppa:shimmerproject/daily [23:21] ppa:gottcode/gcppa [23:22] pretty much [23:22] ok, thanks [23:22] you can also use more stuff, e.g. the lightdm-gtk-greeter PPA, the light-locker PPA [23:22] and the parole daily PPA [23:23] (those things will hopefully also land in 14.04) [23:23] LightDM GTK+ Greeter Daily ? [23:24] and Light-Locker Daily ? [23:25] yeah [23:26] but you can also incrementally add those [23:26] to test things one after the otehr [23:26] but theoretically they should all work (they do for me in saucy) [23:26] one by one? yes [23:27] Parole is not in xfce-4.12 ppa? [23:28] oh, well it is actually [23:28] in fact we're preparing a new release [23:28] should happen any day now [23:28] so you can also wait until it lands there (might take until after christmas) [23:29] hum, ok [23:29] ppa madness [23:30] :) [23:30] and, if I get um bug, how can i report in launchpad? There is problem report PPA with ubuntu-bug [23:30] brainwash: become and uploader and improve thigns ;) [23:31] why not push all the stuff into the official ppa? [23:31] uhm repo [23:31] so you just download the trusty daily image =S [23:33] I get trillions of package updates every day [23:35] so pushing all the ppa packages shouldn't be a problem in the trusty dev cycle, or? [23:37] it's 6 PPA's for test... [23:38] whisker menu, i used it a lot in saucy, i think it is good for official repo [23:39] whisker menu is already available in trusty [23:39] same for light-locker [23:39] but the integration is missing [23:40] hey, it's true [23:42] whisker is up-to-date in official repo [23:42] hey, Synaptic is missing in trusty... [23:42] is it default in system, in saucy? [23:43] synaptic has not been default for a few releases already [23:45] humm [23:47] what packages i should purge to use light-locker? [23:48] none actually [23:48] xscreensaver? [23:48] make sure that xscreensaver does not launch on startup [23:48] all xscreensaver? [23:49] or just purge it? [23:49] hum, in "Session and Startup" ? [23:49] yes [23:50] brainwash: even if it's not there in startup, won't xflock launch it upon trying to lock? [23:50] or "just purge it" [23:50] ok [23:51] does the command tool launch xscreensaver? [23:51] or light-locker? [23:51] xscreensaver-command / light-locker-command [23:51] sergiobenrocha2: you should also apply this patch https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/xfce4-session/light-locker [23:52] which means editing the shell script /usr/bin/xflock4 [23:53] so, i have to compile light-locker? [23:54] no [23:55] but you should edit the mentioned file [23:55] hum, i don't understand, the link is to source [23:55] hum, let me see [23:56] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/xfce4-session/light-locker/revision/79#scripts/xflock4 [23:57] it changes a shell script, so you don't need to compile anything [23:57] scripts/xflock4 ? [23:57] /usr/bin/xflock4 [23:57]