[01:27] <n-iCe> hello guys
[01:28] <n-iCe> I am using a VGA external monitor, how can I make to not turn off the monitor?
[01:28] <n-iCe> after time
[01:29] <holstein> n-iCe: TBH, i have had issues getting those settings to stick in some cases.. i assume you have set those in the GUI and tested, and the changes are not sticking? if not, try the settings..
[01:30] <n-iCe> yeah
[01:30] <n-iCe> are not sticking
[01:30] <n-iCe> can't be saved
[01:30] <n-iCe> why
[01:30] <holstein> n-iCe: you can look into graphics drivers.. you can look into bios settings that could be over riding
[01:31] <holstein> i konw, sometimes, i'll load up the heavier live ISO's, such as main ubuntu, and test.. if it works in main ubuntu 13.10, and not lubuntu 13.10, then, you should be able to figure out what needs to be added
[01:31] <n-iCe> xset s off
[01:31] <n-iCe> should solve the monitor time out
[01:32] <holstein> n-iCe: correct.. i agree that it "should", but lubuntu is lean, and may not have the packages necessary to communicate with your hardware.. or, the bios could be over-riding the settings there
[01:34] <holstein> you can see if lubuntu is still using xfce4-power-manager-settings by trying to run that command via alt+f2
[01:34] <holstein> i dont have a stock lubuntu install here to test on
[01:34] <holstein> n-iCe: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1193716 is relevant
[01:35] <n-iCe> it is not
[01:35] <n-iCe> Xfce4 Power Manager is not running, do you want to launch it now?
[01:36] <holstein> n-iCe: OK.. so, move on from there, then
[01:36] <holstein> n-iCe: i will not be able to suggest an exact fix for you unless i am at the hardware..
[01:36] <n-iCe> is there any group
[01:37] <n-iCe> to add power manager?
[01:37] <holstein> n-iCe: shouldnt be
[08:09] <user93901> possible to change font colour for inactive taskbar windows?
[08:10] <user93901> inactive minimized windows are showing black fonts on black taskbar.
[08:16] <user93901> Fixed it!  Changed the theme to clearlooks.
[12:11] <leszek> hi
[14:27] <Engin> there are people willing to do all sorts of stuff all around the world! thank you!
[14:27] <Engin> i had an ancient (but cute) iBook G4 laying around maybe i'll put it to some use now!
[18:02] <urielvigilant> What it is the easyest way to install Lubuntu on Asus eepc and wich version ?
[18:03] <holstein> urielvigilant: you just download the iso, and use whatever is the easiest for you.. cd, usb stick, or whatever
[18:03] <holstein> urielvigilant: i would get the latest 32bit 13.10
[18:03] <wxl> urielvigilant: given it's an eeepc, usb
[18:03] <wxl> urielvigilant: any version should work unless you have the oldest of eeepcs
[18:04] <koell> found an old eMachine em350 from my brother (netbook). which ubuntu version should i choose? 64 bit possible?
[18:04] <urielvigilant> its friend of mine epc, with 4 gb hardrive or flashdrive inside .... some like that but 4gb
[18:04] <wxl> koell: you mean lubuntu, or is this a lubuntu question?
[18:04] <urielvigilant> wxl
[18:04] <wxl> urielvigilant: that tells me next to nothing, but you might want to try debian eeepc
[18:05] <koell> wxl: oh sorry. have both channels open. but it doesnt matter. lubuntu/ubuntu. i may choose the server edition.
[18:05] <urielvigilant> wxl : some people say i will find problems installing lubuntu 12.04 in machines with less the 4 gb or with 4gb ram
[18:06] <urielvigilant> wxl : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1wK2LP7UkA
[18:06] <wxl> urielvigilant: like i said, try debian eeepc
[18:21] <urielvigilant> wxl : i dont want to install that DEbian because i have zero experience on it, then my friend wil come to me to ask for  help to handle it on begining. Please tell me can i follow exactly this instructions for Ubuntu same has on Lubuntu ?  http://gobitech.blogspot.pt/2011/06/install-ubuntu-1104-on-asus-eee-pc-701.html
[18:22] <wxl> urielvigilant: all i can say is probably. try it.
[18:22] <holstein> urielvigilant: i install the iso to a usb stick, and follow the prompts from the installer
[18:23] <holstein> urielvigilant: its quite simple, and clear
[18:23] <urielvigilant> it will tell us that eepc 4g dont have 4gb no hard disl space enought as you can see on that webpage explanation .
[18:24] <urielvigilant> i ask about is i can follow the same because he is explaining for ubuntu 11.04 but then somewhere in the text he said that : Update: For Ubuntu 11.10, the same bug rears its ugly head, but instead of line 310, it's now on line 250.
[18:24] <urielvigilant> Update 2: For Ubuntu 12.04, the file is now /usr/lib/ubiquity/ubiquity/misc.py, line 796.
[18:24] <urielvigilant> Update 3: For Ubuntu 12.10, the file is still /usr/lib/ubiquity/ubiquity/misc.py.
[18:25] <urielvigilant> he says that the number of line change . .  and path also for 12.04
[18:26] <holstein> urielvigilant: if you dont have room for lbuntu, you wont have room for it.. you'll want to install..
[18:26] <holstein> !minimal | urielvigilant
[18:27] <urielvigilant> holstein have you seen this  http://gobitech.blogspot.pt/2011/06/install-ubuntu-1104-on-asus-eee-pc-701.html
[18:27] <urielvigilant> ?
[18:27] <holstein> urielvigilant: i had that machine.. and thats what i did. the mini, and added what i wanted
[18:27] <holstein> urielvigilant: you are not using 11.04.. its not supported. its EOL
[18:28] <urielvigilant> holstein :  this machine is 4 GB Lubuntu say no space enought to install nether in 12.04 nether in 12.10 , doesn it as you see in the link before ?
[18:28] <urielvigilant> its a bug . . . does it ?
[18:29] <urielvigilant> my question is about if this solution is the same for lubuntu :   http://gobitech.blogspot.pt/2011/06/install-ubuntu-1104-on-asus-eee-pc-701.html
[18:30] <holstein> urielvigilant: your lack of hard drive space is no bug
[18:30] <holstein> urielvigilant: i use the minimal iso.. i create an ext2 partition the entire size of the disk with no swap
[18:31] <urielvigilant> holstein : you have minimal of Ubuntu or Lubuntu ?
[18:31] <holstein> urielvigilant: lubuntu *is* ubuntu
[18:31] <urielvigilant> ok
[18:31] <holstein> urielvigilant: the minimal is none of them.. you get just the minimal.. you can add lxde only to it
[18:31] <urielvigilant> lol
[18:31] <holstein> urielvigilant: you can end up with an install that will fit in that space
[18:31] <urielvigilant> ok i see .
[18:32] <holstein> urielvigilant: you will basically create your own install with just enough to fit that space.. install the basics.. add lxde..
[18:34] <urielvigilant> holstein : 13.10 runs ? wich is the best version ?
[18:34] <holstein> urielvigilant: "best" is a matter of opinion and use case
[18:34] <holstein> urielvigilant: 13.10 is the recent supported version
[18:35] <holstein> !12.04
[18:35] <holstein> urielvigilant: but, there is no official lubuntu 12.04 lts
[18:35] <holstein> urielvigilant: since you are building your own, you can decide if you want newer, or longer term support
[18:35] <urielvigilant> but it will work ? i have experience that 12.04 dont run on computers with out eap processors, that why i ask
[18:36] <urielvigilant> sorry . . . 13.04 13.10 and 12.10 dont work with out eap processors
[18:37] <holstein> urielvigilant: they work for me
[18:37] <urielvigilant> holstein but lubuntu website says 12.04 lubuntu will end up april . . . support . .
[18:37] <urielvigilant> not same thing
[18:37] <holstein> urielvigilant: you are not going to install lubutu
[18:37] <holstein> lubuntu*
[18:38] <urielvigilant> yes
[18:38] <holstein> urielvigilant: you will istall from the minimal and add what you want, which will not be lubuntu, or xubuntu.. or any of the normal ones
[18:38] <holstein> urielvigilant: they will all be too big for that drive
[18:38] <holstein> urielvigilant: so, you can install the 12.04 lts base, or any of the other supported versions.. i suggest between 12.04 or 13.10
[18:38] <urielvigilant> ok, then about put the minimal in a usb stick , is normal and same way using unebootin ?
[18:39] <holstein> urielvigilant: to make that decision, you ask your self "do i want the newer version? or the one that is supported the longest?"
[18:39] <holstein> the answer you come up with dicates which you want...
[18:39] <urielvigilant> longest
[18:39] <holstein> urielvigilant: unet or dd should work fine
[18:40] <urielvigilant> persisten mode with 4gb example ?
[18:41] <holstein> urielvigilant: i dont do that
[18:41] <urielvigilant> i ask because i found in your link this  ;: Unlike other iso images available on this site, older versions of this image mini.iso do not work with the USB stick installation method.
[18:41] <holstein> urielvigilant:  i just install.. i dont use persistence like that
[18:41] <holstein> urielvigilant: i would use whatever works.. that iso is small and will take very little time to test
[18:42] <holstein> urielvigilant: i dont remember it i used unet, or dd.. or just an actual CD.. but i did use that iso
[18:45] <sda> Hi all! I would like to access my desktop from another device. I would also like to be able to choose the resolution at connection like RDP. Also I would like to be able to connect with different users. Do you have any Idea? VNC doesn't seems fit my need!
[18:45] <wxl> sda: yes! rdp.
[18:46] <sda> wxl, does rdp work well on linux?
[18:46] <wxl> sda: yep.
[18:47] <wxl> sda: i am, in fact, using it right now.
[18:47] <sda> wxl, as much as I remember is a microsoft protocoll, I though maybe linux could have something just for its
[18:47] <wxl> sda: they did develop it, but they made it open source.
[18:47] <holstein> teamvewier or splashtop are easy
[18:48] <wxl> sda: i've found a lot of linux/free software folks believe the motto of not reinventing the wheel.
[18:48] <sda> holstein, they are commercial tools
[18:48] <holstein> sda: sure.. did you say that was not an option?
[18:48] <holstein> sda: they are easy, and do what you are asking
[18:48] <sda> i would like use something open\free
[18:48] <wxl> rdp rdp rdp
[18:48] <sda> so rdp will be!
[18:48] <urielvigilant> holstein : the lubuntu alternate iso has more then 600 mb this is normal ?  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Alternate_ISO
[18:49] <wxl> i wonder
[18:49] <wxl> !rdp
[18:49] <holstein> urielvigilant: i wouldnt install lubuntu.. it wont fit
[18:49] <holstein> urielvigilant: i suggest the mini iso
[18:49] <wxl> aw poor ubottu
[18:49] <holstein> urielvigilant: the alternate iso still installs the same lubuntu that will be too big for the disk
[18:50] <sda> wxl, I have a KVM server with some virtual machines running, I would like to be able to connect to them and use them to develop and stuff, so I though xrdp maybe was not the best solution, but maybe i was wrong!
[18:50] <holstein> openbox has connections built in.. i thought kvm did as well
[18:50] <wxl> sda: using xrdp right now :)
[18:50] <holstein> or add-able
[18:50] <urielvigilant> holstein but i cant find minimal of the lubuntu
[18:50] <holstein> not openbox.. virtualbox
[18:50] <holstein> !minimal | urielvigilant
[18:50] <wxl> yeah virtualbox does for sure
[18:50] <wxl> can't speak about kvm
[18:51] <holstein> yeah, i havent used it first hand
[18:51] <wxl> virtualbox actually uses rdp for remote cxns
[18:51] <holstein> yup, and its easy, integrated
[18:51] <wxl> maybe you could export the machine and import it in vbox?
[18:52] <sda> I am also probably going to use openbox as windows manager, so xrdp with openbox, seems ok
[18:52] <holstein> sda: i meant virtualbox
[18:52] <holstein> sda: openbox was an typo
[18:53] <holstein> sda: my point was, some virtualization platforms have this funcitonality baked in
[18:53] <sda> ops! :D haha, ok kvm\libvirt virtualbox or xen are all the same, just virt platform
[18:53] <holstein> sda: i would explore if kvm just has something setting there to connect to
[18:53] <sda> yep, vnc
[18:53] <holstein> sda: they are *not* the same
[18:53] <holstein> sda: if they were the same, they would be the same.. but they are different
[18:54] <sda> holstein, from my problem point of view are the same, then of course they are very different
[18:54] <sda> anyway thanks everybody!
[18:54] <sda> i'll try now
[18:54] <holstein> sda: if they are "all the same" to you, then go with virtualbox.. the rdp thing works easily
[19:03] <sda> holstein, nah, i checked, i cannot have multiple user and change resolution with buildin virtualbox remote desktop, like VNC
[19:03] <holstein> sda: sounds like you want freenx
[19:04] <holstein> the "commercial" application is "nomachine".. freenx uses the nomachien viewer..
[19:04] <holstein> !freenx
[19:05] <holstein> you can forward out different user sessions.. but, i usually just do all that resizing client side with remmina
[19:05] <holstein> !info remmina
[19:05] <koell> does someone work with shotwell? i have some problems importing my photos from a different folder on my desktop. shotwell always freezes on import so i've to kill it via terminal. got these error on terminal ""** (shotwell:14310): WARNING **: Couldn't connect to accessibility bus: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-VzAbRRQiEw""
[19:07] <sda> i saw freenx! but i still don't have a android client. And I am not really able to understand what to search as alternative client
[19:07] <holstein> sda: mabye just try it, and asee if it meets your needs.. i had no problems using vnc on android, other than it was not usable speed-wise
[19:29] <SocialEvil> hi guys, when i boot lubuntu i dont have run lubuntu without install.. any idea ?
[19:30] <SocialEvil> how to try it without install it ?
[19:30] <SocialEvil> i have lubuntu 12.10
[19:30] <holstein> !12.10
[19:30] <holstein> SocialEvil: i would get 13.10.. the normal desktop iso.. not the alternate
[19:31] <SocialEvil> holstein, i have no more cds :D
[19:31] <holstein> SocialEvil: sure. but you are asking for funcionality that is not present in the product you have downloaded
[19:31] <SocialEvil> i see
[19:31] <holstein> SocialEvil: you'll need to get an iso that supports live booting
[19:31] <holstein> SocialEvil: you can boot these from usb sticks
[19:32] <SocialEvil> so lubuntu 12.10 dont support it?
[19:32] <holstein> SocialEvil: the alternate iso's in general dont do live
[19:32] <SocialEvil> what does alternate iso mean ?
[19:33] <holstein> SocialEvil: not live.. has other alternatives as well.. but doesnt require running a graphical enviroment to install
[19:33] <urielvigilant> after i install ubuntu minimal on eepc on it will look like ? a terminal windows  or does it have some graphical inetrface ?
[19:33] <urielvigilant> holstein
[19:33] <holstein> urielvigilant: just a prompt.. where you install lxde, or whatever you want, up to the space you have
[19:33] <SocialEvil> holstein, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/PreviousReleases i installed this one.. is it alternate?
[19:34] <SocialEvil> aaaaaa holstein
[19:34] <SocialEvil> now i got it :) sorry
[19:34] <holstein> SocialEvil: no worries
[19:35] <urielvigilant> holstein : so first thing i need it to do : sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop  ?
[19:36] <urielvigilant> and then reboot ? thats it to have lubuntu desktop ?
[19:36] <holstein> urielvigilant: lubuntu desktop is *too* big
[19:37] <urielvigilant> so what i have to type on terminal ?
[19:37] <holstein> urielvigilant: you'll want to determine what will fit.. what i suggested, and still stuggest installing, assuming lubuntu is the interest, is lxde
[19:37] <urielvigilant> what it is the command ?
[19:37] <holstein> urielvigilant: for what, friend?
[19:37] <urielvigilant> to have a graphic environment on it
[19:38] <holstein> urielvigilant: depends on which you want
[19:38] <holstein> urielvigilant: lxde is the one i suggested installing and is the one lubuntu uses
[19:38] <urielvigilant> so what to put lde on it ?
[19:38] <urielvigilant> lxde on it ?
[19:38] <urielvigilant>  sudo apt-get install  lxde ?
[19:39] <holstein> urielvigilant: why not try that command?
[19:39] <holstein> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:39] <holstein> thats what i would do first.. then.. "sudo apt-get install lxde"
[19:39] <urielvigilant> i have not the laptop here, thurday i go there and i want to make all things working at first
[19:40] <holstein> urielvigilant: you'll want an internet connection
[19:40] <holstein> urielvigilant: the minimal assumes you are going to have a good connection
[19:40] <urielvigilant> yes friend, help me, i will help someone to have linux for first time ever .
[19:40] <urielvigilant> wifi conection . .  dow it will work or need to do something ?
[19:41] <holstein> those older eeeps's also boot sd cards... you could get an 8gb sd card, install lubuntu on it, and literaly plug it in and boot
[19:41] <holstein> urielvigilant: wifi is not optimal
[19:41] <urielvigilant> better cable
[19:41] <urielvigilant> so
[19:41] <holstein> urielvigilant: no.. *easier* with a cable
[19:41] <holstein> much easier
[19:48] <urielvigilant> holstein : iam seing here on you tube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlR-tUPGNCU    , it will be like it will look like does nit ? Lxde come with all basic tools like file manager , and others ?
[19:48] <holstein> urielvigilant: you have room for what you have room for
[19:49] <holstein> urielvigilant: i know what i did with my 4g drive.. i didnt use it. i bought a cheap 16gb sd card.. and i have a few other installs on an 8gb card
[19:49] <holstein> urielvigilant: that machine is low on many resources..
[19:49] <holstein> urielvigilant: do you have room for a file manager? sure..
[19:50] <urielvigilant> so you could install Ubuntu or Lubuntu full in tha case
[19:50] <holstein> urielvigilant: i wouldnt want unity on that spec machine.. but the space is no issue
[19:51] <urielvigilant> huumm, i see
[19:51] <holstein> i personally dont run x on that machine
[19:51] <urielvigilant> so a sd card is the solution, it will possible to dual boot in that case ?
[19:51] <holstein> urielvigilant: its an easy way to add a bigger hard drive..
[19:52] <holstein> urielvigilant: you boot whatever you like
[19:52] <urielvigilant> so,  with 4gb and lxde its possible to have pcman or other, and libree office ?
[19:53] <holstein> urielvigilant: depends, friend
[19:53] <holstein> urielvigilant: if you want to compromise, and make room for things, you'll have room for them
[19:53] <holstein> urielvigilant: if not, you wont
[19:53] <urielvigilant> lxde dont come with it down sit ?
[19:53] <urielvigilant> because after lxde it will have many 2 gb free ?
[19:54] <urielvigilant> or more does nit '
[19:54] <holstein> urielvigilant: i have *never* bothered cramming anything onto a 4gb card since i did it 6 years ago, and it wasnt worth the effort
[19:54] <holstein> urielvigilant: i just use a bigger drive
[19:55] <holstein> urielvigilant: you'll have to decide what you want to do.. and there is limited space, and you use what you want with what you want
[19:55] <urielvigilant> yes, i will tell my friend. SD card are cheap now anywa doesn it ?
[19:55] <holstein> urielvigilant:  i have no idea what hardware cost where you are, but its literally the only wat to add capacity
[19:56] <urielvigilant> trying to install from a boot usb pen drive example lubuntu 12.04 on it with sd card, it will assume sdcard is an external hardisk ?
[19:57] <holstein> urielvigilant: i have removed all the internal drives.. i have used an installer that doesnt assume anything. i have not installed a boot loader and done it manually. i have left grub on the internal
[19:57] <urielvigilant> --- external harddrive i mean ?
[19:57] <holstein> urielvigilant: all of these things are up to you, and agin, "best" is a matter of use case and opinion
[19:58] <urielvigilant> do you think it will assume is an hardrive to install on it , in a easy way ?
[19:59] <holstein> urielvigilant: i think the installer will do what it does.. and if i was worried about it, i would research, and read about what it does, and get the tool that fits my needs
[19:59] <holstein> urielvigilant: the alternate and mini should be asking if you want grub, and offering not to install it
[20:00] <urielvigilant> ok thats right
[20:21] <zleap> well the raspberry pi can run on 4gb sd card,  so that still has programming tools, editors etc
[20:21] <zleap> it depends on who we are aiming this at,  i would guess people don't always need office applications
[20:21] <holstein> zleap: he's gone.. but this is was not an arm machine.. this was an etempt at the standard iso
[20:21] <zleap> i know
[20:22] <zleap> but you can put quite a lot in 4gb on the pi,  not even 4gb,
[20:22] <zleap> i am guessing a min install would be 200 you can still get quite a lot in there
[22:01] <sda> wxl, i tried xrdp, but i have trouble to reconnect, it starts all the time a new session
[22:16] <Slesa> The pyhton IDE eric segfaults. Is that a known problem?