[02:13] <xangua> no ops arount to calm #ubuntu ¿
[02:26] <IdleOne> speaks Spanish, why didn't he speak to him
[02:35] <LjL> i can read Spanish, too... and i can tell you he wouldn't have listened
[02:38] <IdleOne> I know he wouldn't have listened, but he didn't even try.
[12:51] <k1l> !guidelines > alumno_
[13:03] <muchdoge> How do I get help?
[13:04] <LjL> wish i knew
[17:53] <h00k> 11:47 ::: netjoin/#ubuntu-offtopic cyberputz (~rg@fredphelps.jesusfucked.me)
[17:53] <h00k> ...
[17:53] <IdleOne> phunyguy: his vanity host is ugly, but he hasn't been an issue otherwise that I know of. If it offends you that much...seems h00k is bothered by it also.
[17:54] <IdleOne> personally don't think it is the worst host we have seen.
[17:54] <h00k> I don't care about the jesus part, just the f-bomb.
[17:54] <h00k> I'm going to look past it, I think.
[17:54] <h00k> meh.
[17:55] <phunyguy> it's just....  WHY?
[17:56] <h00k> successful troll is successful :(
[17:56] <IdleOne> because not everybody thinks that the combination of the F bomb and the name Jesus is a bad thing.
[17:56] <k1l> you dont have that host by accident
[17:58] <LjL> so i guess it's only right since we have some rules in our channels that aren't even so clearly well defined, to force everyone to adapt network-wide
[17:59] <IdleOne> +1, and we should all wear the same uniform too
[17:59] <k1l> network-wide? is anyone talking about users in #otherchannel than #ubuntu*
[18:00] <IdleOne> forcing a user to change his cloak so they can use #ubuntu* would be a network wide change for them
[18:00] <LjL> i think some people choose to misinterpret what other people say in a similar vein to how some people choose their hostnames
[18:00] <jbroome> that's not a cloak, that's reverse DNS
[18:00] <IdleOne> jbroome: for simplicity I used cloak, should have said host perhaps?
[18:00] <jbroome> cloak implies that we set it
[18:01] <LjL> host makes more sense
[18:01] <k1l> innapropriate behaviour, nicks or hosts need to stay out. thats it
[18:02] <IdleOne> jbroome: true, sorry.
[18:02] <k1l> if he wants to troll in #ubuntu-offtopic and is not allowed because of his inapproriate host, i can live with that
[18:02] <IdleOne> he wasn't trolling
[18:02] <k1l> he is actually trolling with that host
[18:03] <IdleOne> all he did was join the channel, for all we know he was going to just idle there and not say a word for the next year.
[18:03] <k1l> you even told he wanted attention.
[18:03] <jbroome> np
[18:04] <k1l> so that is what a troll does. put something into the channel that starts some trouble. if its some words, a nick or a host.
[18:04] <IdleOne> choosing that host to me implies that he wanted attention, much like ubuntu members who ask for the @ubuntu/member cloak.
[18:04] <jussi> Huomio!!! :D
[18:04] <k1l> so we are discussing how offensive a ubuntu/member cloak is? really?
[18:05] <IdleOne> no what we are discussing is why are we freaking out over something that wasn't an issue until it was made an issue by us
[18:05] <h00k> I'm over it, I don't care about the host :(
[18:05] <h00k> It's a network wide change we'd enforce to get them to comply with our channel
[18:05] <h00k> but maybe I'm just getting lazy in my ops
[18:05] <h00k> no, I brought it up, mostly as a question
[18:06] <h00k> I didn't know if it had been seen before, much like the other nick in question the other week (LjL, remember? [lol]). Where...really...not a big deal and don't make it one...
[18:06] <h00k> what was it, niggerish or something?
[18:06] <h00k> anyway.
[18:07] <IdleOne> niggardly
[18:07] <h00k> That's just my $0.02.
[18:07] <k1l> ok. so when a user is allowed the nick "ubuntu_is_teh_sux" in #fedora he is allowed that nick in our channel?
[18:08] <k1l> or "k1l_is_an_asshole".
[18:08] <k1l> because it would be a network wide change to change a nick, too.
[18:08] <IdleOne> yes, as long as he doesn't say anything to disrupt the channel. As for the asshole nick, no.
[18:09] <h00k> rhetorical: is asshole then allowed as a host/mask?
[18:09] <jussi> k1l: I can be in my channel with as nasty nicks as you want. but if someone wants to participate in #ubuntu channels, the nick must comply with the CoC
[18:09] <k1l> jussi: so goes for the host
[18:09] <h00k> since normally, hosts/masks are only seen upon entrance and exit, and nicknames are for whenever they speak
[18:09] <h00k> so visibility is different, do different "rules" apply?
[18:09] <h00k> s/rules/guidelines/
[18:10] <IdleOne> h00k: common sense applies
[18:10] <jussi> and lets face it, most users are not having joins/parts...
[18:10] <IdleOne> and the ones who do see the join/parts aren't really paying attention to them most of the time
[18:10] <jussi> I think leaving it until there is a complaint - if no one notices/has an issue, why botther the person?
[18:10] <k1l> jussi: i do see a intention in that host. you talk about that as if that is accidently missunderstandable
[18:11] <jussi> k1l: does it bother you?  if so, ask him as a user to change it. if he wont, then its the ops turn
[18:14] <k1l> i see we have a problem with the big censor elephant.
[18:14] <h00k> hm?
[18:15] <IdleOne> I believe in censorship actually. I just don't think we need to censor everything.
[18:15] <k1l> i dont get where the network-wide is a factor to judging what is not appropriate in ubuntu channels
[18:17] <k1l> a nick is also network-wide and that is considered to be changeable to suit the channel guidelines. but when i intentionally take a host that can be offensive to others that is fine since it would apply to have been changed network-wide
[18:23] <h00k> I can see your point
[18:29] <h00k> I don't know what the 'answer' is
[18:31] <k1l> imho, if something is not appropriate (like against the CoC) it doesnt matter if its words, nick or host. you choose a nick the same way you choose the words you write or the host in that case.
[21:43] <ikonia> hello zernia
[21:45] <ikonia> ?
[21:45] <k1l> seems like bad karma :)
[21:45] <ikonia> I wonder if he was someone we know under a differnt nick
[21:46] <ikonia> I don't see anything similar in BT
[21:47] <k1l> is see other 91.210. receiving k-lines.
[21:53] <ikonia> k1l: some bot net apparantly
[21:53] <ikonia> seems staff are on it