[06:09] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[06:12] <superfly> hi Kilos
[06:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all
[06:16] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:30] <superfly> yo ThatGraemeGuy
[06:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo fly
[07:06] <Kilos> no fair. xchat only shows graphical smileys in winsucks
[07:06] <Kilos> i like to see who sticks tongue out at me
[07:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> its called windows, don't sink to that level
[07:14] <Kilos> sorry 
[07:26] <Squirm> morning
[07:26] <Kilos> hi there Squirm bored already?
[07:28] <Squirm> it's been ok
[07:29] <Squirm> been keeping myself busy
[07:29] <Kilos> good
[07:59] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[08:01] <Vince-0> Hi!
[08:48] <charl> good morning all
[08:48] <charl> Maaz_: coffee on
[08:48]  * Maaz_ flips the salt-timer
[08:48] <charl> hi Kilos, Vince-0, Squirm, ThatGraemeGuy 
[08:48] <charl> and superfly 
[08:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> hi :)
[08:52] <Maaz_> Coffee's ready for charl!
[08:52] <Vince-0> !
[08:53] <charl> got (one of) our outbound links updated this morning to 40gbps
[08:53] <charl> i don't notice much of a difference though
[08:53] <charl> Maaz_: thanks
[08:53] <Maaz_> charl: Sure
[08:56] <Kilos> Maaz_, hi
[08:56]  * Maaz_ waves to Kilos
[08:57] <Kilos> hi charl 
[08:57] <Kilos> thats fast that
[09:08] <oupateddie> Morning great world
[09:08]  * oupateddie Waves
[09:10] <Kilos> hi oupateddie 
[09:11] <oupateddie> howzit
[09:12] <Kilos> lekker and you?
[09:12] <oupateddie> trying to play with kubuntu 13.10
[09:12] <oupateddie> Installed in clean on the lappie
[09:13] <oupateddie> but some small things I am not sure of yet
[09:13] <Kilos> fast hey
[09:13] <Kilos> or do you update same time
[09:13] <Kilos> ok lemme reboot to kde
[09:14] <oupateddie> well I got it installed and yes it is quite fast. Tell me how the hell do I arrange the icons on the desktop?
[09:18] <superfly> oupateddie: you don't, the "desktop" is not a place to store your icons
[09:19] <oupateddie> OK kindly enlighten me
[09:19] <superfly> you can change it if you want, but there really isn't a reason to
[09:19] <superfly> oupateddie: if you want access to your often used programs, you can right-click on them in the menu and say "add to favourites"
[09:19] <oupateddie> well then help. As I am an OLD gnome user
[09:19] <superfly> that'll add them to the front page of the menu
[09:19] <oupateddie> ok
[09:20] <superfly> you can also right-click on the item in the task bar and select "show a launcher when not running" and it'll leave the icon there when the app is not running (like on Windows 7)
[09:21] <oupateddie> ok let me start from one point. I have no remoived the icons on the desktop asw ell as a second desktop I had
[09:22] <oupateddie> right now I want to add icons to some place where I can access them easily. I thus right-click and ad to favourites
[09:22] <Kilos> yip
[09:22] <superfly> then when you open the menu, they're there
[09:23] <superfly> or, start your app, and then right-click on its entry in the task bar and click on "show a launcher when not running" and it'll be on the task bar all the time
[09:25] <Kilos> also if you want to run something you tick the blue launcher bottom left and type in the program you want to run and it will show
[09:25] <Kilos> oupateddie: superfly is the kde master here, him and inetpro 
[09:26] <superfly> I don't actually use the normal menu any more, I use something similar to Unity's dash called Homerun
[09:26] <superfly> but I prefer using my keyboard to my mouse :-)
[09:26] <Kilos> lol we arent all at your level superfly 
[09:26] <oupateddie> I also prefer keaboard
[09:27] <oupateddie> so where I get this Homerun
[09:27] <Kilos> Maaz_: google Homerun for 13.10 kubuntu
[09:27] <Maaz_> Kilos: "How To Install Homerun Kicker 1.1.0 On Kubuntu 13.10/13.04/12.10 ..." http://linuxg.net/how-to-install-homerun-kicker-1-1-0-on-kubuntu-13-1013-0412-10-and-linux-mint-161514-using-kde/ :: "Kubuntu 13.10 Quick Look « openDarkwing" http://opendarkwing.com/kubuntu-13-10-quick-look/ :: "Kubuntu 13.04 Personal Setup, (+Homerun Launcher Re-Ordering ..."
[09:27] <Maaz_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEJm7yI_u30 :: "homerun + kicker : “Blue-Shell” team - Launchp…
[09:28]  * Kilos looks too
[09:30] <oupateddie> OK I'll get there in time. I have right clicked on the FireFox and aade
[09:30] <oupateddie> OK I see it on the taslbaar
[09:33] <superfly> oupateddie: I right-click on the icon and then set the keyboard shortcut to Windows+F1
[09:33] <superfly> then I can press Meta+F1 and start typing my app name
[09:36] <oupateddie> Ok I'm trying to install the homerun widget
[09:36] <Kilos> superfly: did you have homerun on 12.04 too
[09:45] <Kilos> hi psyatw 
[09:46] <Symmetria> holy crap there are some stupid people in this world
[09:47] <psyatw> hi Symmetria
[09:47] <psyatw> of course there are
[09:48] <Symmetria> steers afrovan seriously just asked me if Kenya was an international destination while I was trying to get moving quotes
[09:48]  * Symmetria double facepalms
[09:50] <oupateddie> what is an activity?
[10:05] <superfly> oupateddie: it's like a different style of interacting with your desktop (I think)
[10:12] <oupateddie> Was on the phone, thanks 
[10:13] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:31] <Squirm> internet
[10:31] <Squirm> is painfully slow
[10:31] <Squirm> I miss my internet
[10:37] <Kilos> dont rush man you on holiday
[11:09] <Squirm> so when I'm stuck at my parents house and have nothing to do but sit and watch a painfully slow download of the latest How I met your Mother...
[11:09] <Squirm> I musn't rush ?
[11:09] <Squirm> :/
[11:09] <Squirm> I can't rush
[11:10] <Squirm> sadly, I think I'm going to cut my losses and download the lower quality version :(
[11:11] <Squirm> non-HD quality on an HD TV, when you're used to watching HD, looks shocking 
[11:20] <charl> taking a look at pycharm now
[11:20] <charl> it's a proprietary product although it does seem to have a dumbed-down open source version
[11:21] <charl> but for a python ide, that looks really grown up
[11:23] <Kilos> haha
[12:12] <Symmetria> heh everyone ready for a very dark day on the internet?
[12:13] <Squirm> no :/
[12:13] <Squirm> my internet is pretty dead anyway
[12:15] <Symmetria> heh, the routing table just got 2 large for a large number of deployed routers on the internet to handle
[12:15] <Symmetria> we're on the verge of a pretty catastrophic event that people are gonna have to run around fixing ;p
[12:15] <Squirm> lol
[12:15] <Squirm> wow
[12:24] <charl> lol
[12:24] <charl> it's about time we hit some hurdles again... it was going far too well for my taste
[12:25] <Symmetria> charl lol, its a minature y2k bug of ciscos creation 
[12:25] <charl> i'm sure they will fix it shortly with an ios update, if they haven't already
[12:25] <Symmetria> cant be fixed with an ios update 
[12:25] <Symmetria> its a setting that has to be done outside of ios 
[12:26] <Symmetria> and haha no one updates ios unless there is a problem
[12:26] <Symmetria> so whats gonna happen is, half the internet is gonna screw out, and THEN people are gonna start fixing
[12:26] <Symmetria> and you're looking at a day or 2 of chaos
[12:26] <Symmetria> at least
[12:26] <charl> sounds like fun
[12:27] <charl> serves people right for using cisco :P
[12:29] <Symmetria> yes cisco can die in a fire
[12:29] <Symmetria> gimme juniper kthx
[12:30] <charl> i was looking at metafabric just now
[12:30] <Symmetria> heh in the routing world you really have 4 choices on the higher end
[12:30] <Symmetria> cisco
[12:30] <Symmetria> juniper
[12:30] <Symmetria> huawei
[12:30] <Symmetria> and alcatel
[12:30] <Symmetria> alcatel will make baby Jesus weep 
[12:30] <Symmetria> huawei you need to hire a translator if you want any support
[12:30] <charl> yeah i was about to say... alcatel... really?
[12:31] <Symmetria> cisco, well, cisco is just... cisco ;p
[12:31] <Symmetria> charl heh, ALU stuff works, its just horrific to configure
[12:31] <Symmetria> shockingly, they actually hold a HUGE percentage of the market
[12:31] <Symmetria> they have a 25% market share in the high end routing market 
[12:31] <Symmetria> but I hate their stuff
[12:32] <charl> bah
[12:43] <charl> at home i have a ubee cpe device but it's a complete piece of carp
[12:43] <charl> i just connect myself directly to the damn thing with an ethernet cable
[12:44] <charl> the wifi is so bad it doesn't stretch for more than 5 metre i think
[12:47] <charl> wb Kilos 
[12:47] <Kilos> ty
[12:47] <Kilos> no idea what happened but anyway
[12:48] <Kilos> hi cmsch 
[12:51] <cmsch> hi Kilos.  I'm just lurking
[12:53] <Kilos> thats fine cmsch 
[12:53] <charl> this is quite interesting
[12:53] <charl> earlier this year, google decided to move away from xmpp
[12:53] <Kilos> what can you teach us. lurking is boring
[12:53] <charl> microsoft, on the other hand, is moving towards xmpp http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Lync_Server#XMPP
[12:54] <charl> "Lync Server has an XMPP gateway server to federate with external XMPP servers."
[12:54] <charl> "With Lync Server 2013 - XMPP is natively part of the product"
[12:54] <charl> so much for google...
[12:54] <Kilos> charl: you on kde?
[12:55] <charl> Kilos: no on i3
[12:55] <Kilos> eish
[12:55] <charl> i do have kde running in a VM though
[12:55] <charl> you need something?
[12:56] <Kilos> i did a kde upgrade on 12.04 and now the bottom panel is black so i cant see my 10 workspaces
[12:57] <charl> no idea, i'm running 13.10 here in the vm
[12:57] <charl> which theme are you using? oxygen?
[12:57] <Kilos> yeah 
[12:57] <charl> maybe it might help moving back to air
[12:57] <charl> oxygen just seems to be borked
[12:58] <charl> oxygen is known to be buggy in any case
[12:58] <Kilos> ok ty lemme try that
[13:02] <Kilos> doesnt change anything
[13:02] <Kilos> everything on air now
[13:03] <Kilos> i dunno if it would need a reboot to show
[13:04] <charl> seems like you hit a weird bug there
[13:04] <Kilos> http://askubuntu.com/questions/70694/how-to-change-color-transparency-of-all-desktop-panels
[13:04] <Kilos> followed that but no change
[13:04] <Kilos> grrr
[15:00] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:01] <Kilos> du8e to incomplete upgrade charl 
[15:01] <Kilos> due as well
[15:02] <Kilos> fixed now but in my morning fiddles i ticked number workspaces and now cant find that to switch it off
[15:02] <Kilos> domdonner
[17:41] <Kilos> oh my, lightning hit tower, so signal but irc working
[17:41] <Kilos> Maaz_, coffee on
[17:41]  * Maaz_ flips the salt-timer
[17:42] <Kilos> Maaz_, quck
[17:42] <Maaz_> Kilos: Sorry...
[17:42] <Kilos> Maaz_, quick
[17:42] <Maaz_> Kilos: What?
[17:42] <Kilos> ai!
[17:42] <Kilos> Maaz_, quickly
[17:42] <Maaz_> Kilos: What?
[17:42] <Kilos> Maaz_, hurry
[17:42] <Maaz_> Making decent coffee is an art Kilos and should never be rushed
[17:43] <Kilos> inetpro, kry jy darem bietjie reen?
[17:45] <Maaz_> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[17:46] <Kilos> Maaz_, thanks
[17:46] <Maaz_> Kilos: Okay :-)
[17:49] <Kilos> hi psychicist 
[17:49] <psychicist> hi Kilos 
[18:07] <Kilos> psychicist, i see maverick.com is an entertainment company
[18:08] <Kilos> what you doing there
[18:08] <Kilos> you gonna sing and dance for us
[18:08] <inetpro> good evening
[18:08] <inetpro> Kilos: ja dankie
[18:08] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[18:08] <inetpro> baie lekker gereen hier
[18:09] <Kilos> mooi dit reen nog hier maar nie hard nie
[18:09] <inetpro> selle hier
[18:09] <Kilos> listen to the falling rain, listen to it fall
[18:10] <psychicist> Kilos, is it?
[18:10] <inetpro> what does it tell you Kilos?
[18:10] <psychicist> goedenavond inetpro 
[18:11] <inetpro> psychicist: hi
[18:11] <Kilos> the rain inetpro ?
[18:11] <Kilos> tells me grass will grow and sheep will vreet dik
[18:12] <Kilos> psychicist,  "Maverick - An Entertainment Company" http://www.maverick.com/
[18:13] <Kilos> and heres what i see for you
[18:13] <Kilos> (~psychicis@nat-192-168-32-0-rw3.maverick.com.pl
[18:14] <psychicist> Kilos, you see, I'm a fervent supporter of entertainment for the masses
[18:14] <Kilos> lol
[18:14] <psychicist> even here in Poland
[18:15] <psychicist> on television, on the radio, on the internet
[18:15] <psychicist> you name it
[18:15] <psychicist> http://www.maverick.com.pl/
[18:15] <Kilos> good man
[18:16] <Kilos> whew
[18:20] <Symmetria> I prefer mwww.mavericks.co.za ;p
[18:20]  * Symmetria grins
[18:20] <Symmetria> ooops
[18:20] <Symmetria> www.mavericks.co.za I mean 
[19:26] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight