| brainwash | the keyboard shortcut to lock the screen should now work, also the menu entry | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| brainwash | on top of that, light-locker will automatically lock the screen on suspend/hibernate | 00:01 |
| brainwash | if triggered via session menu | 00:01 |
| sergiobenrocha2 | ok | 00:02 |
| sergiobenrocha2 | i had an issue to login in live cd | 00:03 |
| brainwash | make sure that the light-locker process is running in the background, if you haven't restarted the session yet after installing light-locker | 00:03 |
| sergiobenrocha2 | it prompt me to login window, it has um report bug, or no? | 00:03 |
| sergiobenrocha2 | ah, sure about light locker. | 00:03 |
| sergiobenrocha2 | i'm in live cd yet | 00:04 |
| brainwash | there is an issue with login? | 00:05 |
| sergiobenrocha2 | i think login in live CD has 3 issues. One i think it is reported | 00:05 |
| brainwash | 3 o.o | 00:05 |
| sergiobenrocha2 | yes, i have to type xubuntu to login | 00:05 |
| sergiobenrocha2 | but, i had to try too the language (bangladesh to english) and the session, xfce to xubuntu | 00:05 |
| brainwash | it's always a good idea to report bugs if you cannot find an existing report | 00:06 |
| sergiobenrocha2 | well, i'm not sure if these are reported | 00:06 |
| sergiobenrocha2 | let me find this | 00:06 |
| sergiobenrocha2 | i don't undertand well this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1257372 | 00:07 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1257372 in lightdm-gtk-greeter (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu/Lubuntu daily image does not lead to a working desktop in a live session" [High,Fix released] | 00:07 |
| sergiobenrocha2 | this covers only the problem to go direct to desktop, is it true? | 00:07 |
| sergiobenrocha2 | in saucy, the language problem is still there. If you do a logout and do login, typing xubuntu, the desktop will be a xfce session with bangladesh language | 00:09 |
| sergiobenrocha2 | and it continues in trusty | 00:09 |
| sergiobenrocha2 | so, i don't sure if this bug covers these issues | 00:09 |
| brainwash | yes, I did encounter this problem too (saucy) | 00:09 |
| brainwash | currently I'm trying to find the bug report :) | 00:09 |
| sergiobenrocha2 | and i don't know what package is, this 2 issues, language and session type | 00:10 |
| sergiobenrocha2 | the default, i think, should be "English" and "Xubuntu Session", not "Bangladesh" and "Xfce Session" | 00:11 |
| brainwash | bug 1245585 | 00:11 |
| ubottu | bug 1245585 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "LiveCD: wrong language selected by default on login screen" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1245585 | 00:11 |
| sergiobenrocha2 | yes, cool, it is | 00:12 |
| sergiobenrocha2 | it affects trusty too | 00:12 |
| sergiobenrocha2 | hum, i forgot that i commented in this bug :D | 00:13 |
| sergiobenrocha2 | but the package affected is not ubiquity | 00:14 |
| brainwash | no? | 00:14 |
| sergiobenrocha2 | well, i don't know. | 00:14 |
| brainwash | read comment 5 | 00:14 |
| brainwash | so as of now we don't know the cause of this problem | 00:15 |
| sergiobenrocha2 | ok | 00:15 |
| sergiobenrocha2 | so, probably it is the same issue for session type? | 00:16 |
| brainwash | most likely yes | 00:16 |
| brainwash | it looks like lightdm is simply falling back to the first entry in the menu | 00:17 |
| sergiobenrocha2 | yes, bangladesh is the first language | 00:18 |
| brainwash | because it is not able to query the correct default values of the live user | 00:18 |
| brainwash | like comment 5 states, it's maybe a problem caused by accountsservice | 00:18 |
| brainwash | the service which manages user settings like language, keyboard layout, background picture,.. | 00:19 |
| sergiobenrocha2 | ok, thanks for all, i will try to install xubuntu here | 00:22 |
| brainwash | glad you enjoy xubuntu :) | 00:23 |
| sergiobenrocha2 | hum, alacarte will be substitute, i forgot the name... is there a ppa? or it is in repo? | 00:24 |
| brainwash | menulibre | 00:25 |
| brainwash | https://launchpad.net/~menulibre-dev/+archive/daily | 00:25 |
| sergiobenrocha2 | ok, thanks | 00:26 |
| forestpiskie | bluesabre: isn't menulibre in a massive state of flux at the moment? | 01:15 |
| bluesabre | forestpiskie, yea, that's one way to put it | 02:14 |
| bluesabre | cool, kendall made his way over to -devel :) | 02:14 |
| bluesabre | (one of my coworkers) | 02:14 |
| unova | Hi all | 02:49 |
| bluesabre | forestpiskie, I expect to have menulibre at a much more stable state by the end of this or next week | 04:43 |
| bluesabre | I took all of next week off, so I should have a good opportunity to make tons of progress on each of my work items | 04:44 |
| Noskcaj | forestpiskie, The issue with putting a full call for testing out yet is that the patch isn't finished. | 04:50 |
| Noskcaj | ochosi, I am the packager, but all i know about systemd is it made a minor war in the debian community | 04:50 |
| Noskcaj | I'll add dh_systemd in the next ppa upload, since it can't hurt. | 04:57 |
| Unit193 | forestpiskie: No. | 05:29 |
| Unit193 | dh_systemd won't help at all, btw. | 05:35 |
| knome | morning. just set up my desktop system. | 07:30 |
| forestpiskie | hi knome | 07:33 |
| knome | hey forestpiskie :) | 07:33 |
| forestpiskie | Noskcaj: okey doke | 07:34 |
| elfy | Unit193: thanks | 07:54 |
| knome | ahh | 07:56 |
| knome | much better today with the working room, but too bad i'm feeling a bit sick :( | 07:56 |
| elfy | :( | 07:56 |
| elfy | this user-session bug is a real pita | 08:01 |
| knome | wha? :P | 08:02 |
| Unit193 | Got gilir online, fixed there. Went over some information from that though, default-session was what was in th email, but it didn't work. | 08:04 |
| elfy | I saw lubuntu was fixed | 08:06 |
| elfy | knome: can you look at this - adding menu test to software centre https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/USCedit | 08:38 |
| elfy | if you've not got time let me know and I'll hassle Nick | 08:38 |
| elfy | Unit193: this is nice - so 64bit - you can tell it to run xub session and change the language - do the same in the 32bit and it ignores what session you tell it | 08:45 |
| Unit193 | Well that's strange, I always cheated on that one though. | 08:45 |
| elfy | lol | 08:48 |
| ochosi | elfy, Unit193: so we're still having problems with the dailys? | 09:02 |
| elfy | dailies/a1 | 09:05 |
| ochosi | k | 09:06 |
| ochosi | i thought Unit193 had proposed fixes for the login issues | 09:06 |
| elfy | ochosi: it's sitting there triaged | 09:06 |
| ochosi | :( | 09:06 |
| ochosi | so we need to put it in the sponsors queue? | 09:07 |
| elfy | I guess so - I don't really understand all that stuff :| though knome was pinging micah about it a couple of days ago | 09:07 |
| ochosi | yeah, but micahg is busy most of the time, we should just always throw stuff at the sponsor's queue imo | 09:08 |
| ochosi | if he gets to it earlier, fine, but that way things aren't in limbo forever | 09:09 |
| ochosi | knome: what do you think? ^ | 09:10 |
| elfy | if the sponsors queue is what logically I think it is - then I'd +1 that | 09:12 |
| ochosi | we used it a lot to get stuff into saucy | 09:15 |
| ochosi | dholbach was one of the most frequent uploaders | 09:15 |
| elfy | :) | 09:15 |
| elfy | Unit193: bug 1261660 - I assume it's all related, but I reported it anyway | 09:18 |
| ubottu | bug 1261660 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "User session fails to accept settings" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1261660 | 09:18 |
| elfy | ochosi: best thing for me to do with things like sponsors queue is just to +1 it if it's in the best interests of the team - but do nothing else in case I break it :p | 09:19 |
| knome | ochosi, elfy: +1. | 09:30 |
| knome | if you file the paperwork, i can ping people to look at it | 09:31 |
| ochosi | well tbh Unit193 is on that bug, so i can't really file the paperwork | 09:32 |
| ochosi | but i hope he can do it and get in touch with you | 09:32 |
| knome | on that bug? what do you mean? | 09:32 |
| ochosi | well the trusty login stuff | 09:32 |
| knome | it's been ACK'd the branch is okay | 09:32 |
| knome | and now it just need uploading | 09:32 |
| knome | is there something blocking that i don't understand? | 09:33 |
| ochosi | but it's not in the sponsor's queue yet, or is it? | 09:33 |
| knome | no | 09:33 |
| knome | but if you file the paperwork, eg. get it on the queue.. | 09:33 |
| ochosi | moreover, for me it was about what we generally should do, not just this bug specifically | 09:33 |
| knome | yep | 09:33 |
| knome | i'm all +1 for the queue at least for now, until we have more packagers | 09:34 |
| knome | desktop machine is so good | 09:34 |
| ochosi | tbh i have no clue how to add stuff to the queue (and i don't know where the branch sits...) | 09:34 |
| knome | lol | 09:34 |
| knome | i'll paste you an url | 09:34 |
| knome | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess | 09:34 |
| Unit193 | "Is on that bug" I'm a bug perhaps? What do you mean by this? | 09:35 |
| knome | basically, file a bug; attach a patch, and subscribe ubuntu-sponsors | 09:35 |
| ochosi | Unit193: i thought you were the one who proposed a branch with a fix? | 09:36 |
| Unit193 | That's all I've done, other than testing but that doesn't count. | 09:37 |
| knome | i believe it was xnox who ack'd the branch is fine | 09:37 |
| ochosi | k | 09:37 |
| knome | basically, the message was: get it uploaded now | 09:38 |
| knome | ;) | 09:38 |
| ochosi | anyway, gotta do some work, bbabl | 09:38 |
| knome | if you want, you can follow up on #ubuntu-quality | 09:38 |
| Unit193 | Also, it needs fixed "upstream", which is where I proposed it and only the two xubuntu devs can commit. | 09:40 |
| knome | and anybody in ~ubuntu-dev | 09:40 |
| knome | i guess. | 09:40 |
| knome | ~ubuntu-core-dev is a member of ~xubuntu-dev | 09:41 |
| knome | so that should work out as expected | 09:41 |
| knome | again, if you do the paperwork, i'll get somebody to look at it.. | 09:41 |
| Unit193 | Heh, so "deadline" is the 19th. | 09:46 |
| === zequence_ is now known as zequence | ||
| slickymaster | morning all | 09:54 |
| elfy | monring slickymaster | 09:55 |
| slickymaster | morning elfy | 09:55 |
| knome | hey slickymaster | 10:00 |
| knome | slickymaster, you pinged me earlier? | 10:00 |
| elfy | might have ... | 10:00 |
| knome | lol | 10:00 |
| * slickymaster curses his internet connection | 10:02 | |
| elfy | bbl | 10:04 |
| knome | slickymaster, hullo | 10:04 |
| knome | elfy, your branch is merged and in the tracker | 10:04 |
| slickymaster | morning knome | 10:04 |
| knome | slickymaster, you pinged me? | 10:04 |
| slickymaster | knome: i see i have a lot of -doc related mails to catch up with ;) | 10:05 |
| knome | sure, i had those too.. | 10:05 |
| slickymaster | yesterday, but it's resolved | 10:05 |
| knome | okay, good | 10:05 |
| slickymaster | it was about merging the xfce4 panel test | 10:05 |
| knome | :) | 10:12 |
| elfy | 64bit has been rebuilt apparently | 10:18 |
| elfy | knome: ty | 10:18 |
| elfy | knome: you done the tracker or shall I do that? | 10:18 |
| elfy | nvm - read the whole line now ... | 10:21 |
| === xnox_ is now known as xnox | ||
| knome | elfy, :) | 10:44 |
| slickymaster | damn internet connection | 10:46 |
| slickymaster | elfy, knome, if neither of you have any objections I'll assign my self to bug 1255805 to fix it | 10:47 |
| ubottu | bug 1255805 in Ubuntu Manual Tests "Parole testcase instructions have a broken link" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1255805 | 10:47 |
| knome | slickymaster, go ahead | 10:47 |
| brainwash | elfy: did you already test Noskcaj's power manager PPA? | 11:27 |
| brainwash | with this patched version Xubuntu does not immediately shut down when the power button is pressed | 11:28 |
| brainwash | so the user is actually able to interact with shutdown dialog and decide what the system should do | 11:29 |
| brainwash | works for me | 11:29 |
| brainwash | also closing the lid should now perform the action set via the power manager settings window | 11:31 |
| brainwash | bug 1222021 | 11:31 |
| ubottu | bug 1222021 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "xfce4-power-manager does not inhibit systemd from handling buttons and lid events" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1222021 | 11:32 |
| ochosi | brainwash: so lid stuff works? i still gotta test that in saucy | 11:38 |
| brainwash | could not test it | 11:38 |
| ochosi | (so far my system went to a zombie-like suspend state when i closed the lid too early when shutting down) | 11:38 |
| brainwash | that's a different issue | 11:38 |
| ochosi | are you sure? | 11:38 |
| brainwash | yea, the shutdown process should not be interrupted | 11:39 |
| brainwash | maybe I can find the bug report | 11:39 |
| brainwash | bug 1211514 | 11:40 |
| ubottu | bug 1211514 in systemd-shim (Ubuntu Saucy) "Shutdowns fail to finish if laptop lid is closed before completely shutdown" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1211514 | 11:40 |
| brainwash | fixed in trusty :) | 11:41 |
| bluesabre | sweet! | 11:41 |
| ochosi | nice | 11:44 |
| ochosi | hope they'll fix it in saucy too | 11:47 |
| slickymaster | elfy: ping me when you can. There's something I'd like to discuss with you about http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/306/builds/55995/testcases/1569/results | 11:47 |
| ochosi | oh | 11:47 |
| brainwash | ochosi: package is already in proposed | 11:47 |
| ochosi | they did in proposed | 11:47 |
| ochosi | yeah, just noticed | 11:47 |
| brainwash | regarding the new abiword ruler glitch, overlay-scrollbar actually prevents the top ruler from breaking | 11:48 |
| brainwash | but the ruler on the left side breaks partially after scrolling | 11:49 |
| ochosi | great :/ | 11:50 |
| brainwash | so it's not Xubuntu specific :) | 11:50 |
| ochosi | yeah | 11:50 |
| ochosi | that's the good side | 11:50 |
| ochosi | means i don't have to dig into the theming code once again | 11:50 |
| * ochosi remembers the horror of reading the abiword source a few months ago | 11:50 | |
| brainwash | maybe it gets fixed at some point during the normal dev cycle of abitword | 11:52 |
| brainwash | abiword | 11:52 |
| ochosi | yup, let's just hope that | 11:53 |
| brainwash | ochosi: bug 1261372 | 12:47 |
| ubottu | bug 1261372 in thunar (Ubuntu) "Tabs are unintuitive" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1261372 | 12:47 |
| brainwash | maybe it could be improved via theme changes? | 12:48 |
| ochosi | brainwash: it could, but tabs look the same everywhere and i don't wanna break the consistency | 12:49 |
| ochosi | http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-12172013-014935pm.php | 12:49 |
| brainwash | so fix it everywhere? | 12:49 |
| ochosi | imho it's not that hard to see | 12:49 |
| ochosi | or instead, mark it as wontfix | 12:50 |
| brainwash | for older people it is | 12:50 |
| brainwash | so a change to improve the contrast is unlikely? | 12:51 |
| ochosi | i wouldn't recommend our theme to old people or people with bad sight by default, better to use a highcontrast theme instead | 12:52 |
| brainwash | ok | 12:52 |
| ochosi | we've had many issues like this one before, to be frank | 12:52 |
| ochosi | but increasing the contrast everywhere to account for ppl with bad sight makes things sometimes worse to use for ppl with good eyesight | 12:53 |
| ochosi | so it's a question of balance imo | 12:53 |
| brainwash | well, we also have a 1px window border :D | 12:53 |
| brainwash | not easy to resize the window via mouse | 12:53 |
| knome | brainwash, alt-right-click-drag | 12:54 |
| brainwash | yeah, I was thinking about the possibility to make xubuntu a bit easier to use for most people | 12:54 |
| brainwash | knome: yeah, hardly anyone uses this method | 12:54 |
| knome | well that's a harsh assumption | 12:55 |
| brainwash | it's my observation | 12:55 |
| knome | from a group of how many people? | 12:55 |
| knome | i mean, | 12:55 |
| brainwash | like.. 10 at max | 12:55 |
| ochosi | brainwash: we actually have a 2px border | 12:55 |
| brainwash | =S | 12:55 |
| knome | i don't necessarily disagree on how used that is | 12:55 |
| knome | but i do think we should rather make people be aware of taht | 12:56 |
| knome | that | 12:56 |
| knome | than changing our theming because of that issue | 12:56 |
| brainwash | yes, it's a never ending story anyway | 12:56 |
| ochosi | in a way, yes. but it really isn't hard to use a different theme | 12:58 |
| knome | ;) | 12:58 |
| brainwash | what about making the font bold in the active tab? | 12:59 |
| knome | ...or a different way to resize the window | 12:59 |
| brainwash | :) | 12:59 |
| ochosi | brainwash: well, in this case gtk2 is the limit... in gtk3 i could probably do that | 12:59 |
| knome | ochosi, ^ wouldn't that lead to tabs "nudging" ? | 12:59 |
| ochosi | yeah, and it could lead to that | 12:59 |
| ochosi | but as i can't even do it, i can't test it now :) | 12:59 |
| ochosi | (our theme would look different anyway if we weren't restricted by gtk2) | 12:59 |
| brainwash | more awesome? | 13:00 |
| ochosi | i guess i'll take that as a compliment, and yes, in some areas, certainly more awesome | 13:04 |
| ochosi | (fwiw, tabs would be one of those areas) | 13:07 |
| ali1234 | i'm going to fix the 1px border thing in xfwm | 13:14 |
| ali1234 | but after christmas | 13:14 |
| ali1234 | we should be able to have 0px borders... and still resize the windows | 13:14 |
| knome | awwh, no nice christmas present from ali1234 ;( | 13:14 |
| knome | ali1234, btw, why 1234? | 13:14 |
| ali1234 | ali123 was taken | 13:14 |
| knome | why 123? | 13:14 |
| ali1234 | same | 13:15 |
| knome | lol | 13:15 |
| knome | why not non-ali? | 13:15 |
| ali1234 | i don't want to come up with a new name | 13:16 |
| knome | lol | 13:16 |
| knome | alib | 13:16 |
| knome | or a_lib :P | 13:16 |
| knome | or ali5n | 13:16 |
| knome | or alib4n | 13:16 |
| knome | wait, that's a bit close to taliban | 13:17 |
| knome | alibxn | 13:17 |
| knome | ! | 13:17 |
| GridCube | !enter | knome | 13:23 |
| ubottu | knome: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line. Don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation! | 13:23 |
| knome | GridCube, they weren't either questions or responses ;) | 13:23 |
| GridCube | XD | 13:23 |
| GridCube | probably !flood then P: | 13:24 |
| knome | ha | 13:24 |
| slickymaster | knome: if you're around, please merge https://code.launchpad.net/~slickymaster/ubuntu-manual-tests/ubuntu-manual-tests/+merge/199280 and update the tracker | 14:51 |
| slickymaster | bbl | 15:09 |
| pmjdebruijn | hi folks | 18:14 |
| pmjdebruijn | "bigger" desktops (like GNOME/KDE) are now integrating color management configuration etc | 18:14 |
| pmjdebruijn | this is still missing for XFCE (and thus Xubuntu), while I agree it an argument on itself, whether xfce/xubuntu should ever go there, "feature bloat" | 18:14 |
| pmjdebruijn | I did a writeup, how color management can be configured right now on current xubuntu | 18:15 |
| pmjdebruijn | https://encrypted.pcode.nl/blog/2013/11/24/display-color-profiling-on-linux/ | 18:15 |
| pmjdebruijn | I guess this is more of a FYI, if you ever come across users asking about this kinda thing, you know where to point them :) | 18:17 |
| knome | meeting time soon | 18:56 |
| elfy | wut? | 18:57 |
| knome | oh wait | 18:57 |
| knome | haha | 18:57 |
| knome | no... | 18:57 |
| knome | nvm | 18:57 |
| knome | i'm off | 18:57 |
| elfy | 48 hours maybe :p | 18:57 |
| knome | yep :P | 18:57 |
| brainwash | elfy: please test https://launchpad.net/~noskcaj/+archive/power-manager-systemd | 19:00 |
| Noskcaj | So trusty finally broke on my pc | 19:12 |
| brainwash | Noskcaj: power-manager-systemd prevents systemd from shutting down immediately, so I was able to interact with the shutdown dialog :) | 19:16 |
| brainwash | could not test lid events | 19:16 |
| brainwash | oh, talking about power button event | 19:17 |
| Noskcaj | Let me know if there's any fixes you want to add. I'll try and work on the autoreconf error when i get my laptop re-installed | 19:19 |
| brainwash | I guess with the now included patches the systemd support should be complete | 19:20 |
| elfy | just an upgrade required? | 19:21 |
| elfy | seems not - nothing shows up after grabbing that ppa and updating | 19:22 |
| brainwash | trusty, right? | 19:22 |
| elfy | yea - what package is supposed to update with it? | 19:23 |
| elfy | d-bus? | 19:23 |
| brainwash | xfce4-power-manager and xfce4-power-manager-data | 19:23 |
| elfy | nvm - stupid software updater failing again :D | 19:23 |
| elfy | got all sorts itr seems gnumeric and nvidia ... | 19:24 |
| brainwash | apt should grab the version provided by the PPA | 19:24 |
| brainwash | well, check "apt-cache policy xfce4-power-manager" | 19:25 |
| elfy | so this should deal with the pressing power button and wishing I'd not issue I believe | 19:25 |
| brainwash | yes | 19:26 |
| brainwash | it works for me now | 19:26 |
| elfy | needs reboot ? | 19:26 |
| brainwash | relog | 19:26 |
| elfy | ok - I'll reboot and check the nvidia I think | 19:26 |
| brainwash | hopefully I does not break your system :D | 19:27 |
| brainwash | uhm "it does not.." | 19:27 |
| brainwash | that makes more sense | 19:27 |
| elfy | ok - so press power button - logs out the machine | 19:39 |
| elfy | brainwash Noskcaj ^^ | 19:39 |
| elfy | no idea if I've edited any files - but power manager has Ask for power button press | 19:39 |
| brainwash | that is strange | 19:40 |
| elfy | was there an upstart file we were editing at some point with this issue? | 19:41 |
| brainwash | the logind.conf file | 19:41 |
| brainwash | /etc/systemd/logind.conf | 19:42 |
| elfy | don't remember doing anything with that one here | 19:42 |
| brainwash | but the patched version of xfce power manager should now prevent systemd from performing any action | 19:42 |
| brainwash | do you see the shutdown dialog for a brief moment? | 19:42 |
| elfy | bash history shows me doing something with logind.conf | 19:43 |
| elfy | really should back these things up ... | 19:43 |
| elfy | I'll look tomorrow on a clean install | 19:43 |
| brainwash | you should also take a look at all the log files | 19:44 |
| elfy | off to fight nvidia now | 19:44 |
| brainwash | ok :) | 19:44 |
| brainwash | cya | 19:44 |
| elfy | last time it took me a while to track down what was still blacklisting nouveau - should be easier this time :p | 19:45 |
| McLovin | hello all | 19:45 |
| McLovin | is there something wrong with the server? my connection to this channel only seems to be down | 19:47 |
| knome | doesn't look like there is problems | 19:47 |
| knome | and yeah.. the dev meeting is on thursday | 19:47 |
| knome | you got me ;) | 19:47 |
| McLovin | well, I'm showing a .1-.3 connection lag | 19:49 |
| knome | that isn't much though | 19:49 |
| McLovin | but only on this channel | 19:49 |
| McLovin | the rest it's 0.0 or 0.1 | 19:49 |
| McLovin | then again, I am insane | 19:50 |
| McLovin | so, 1st time joining, and I'm guessing noone has any issues to talk about? | 19:51 |
| knome | we aren't always flooding the channel, yeah ;) | 19:52 |
| elfy | ok - so that's been fun | 19:53 |
| McLovin | ok, well how about this, anyone else have any issues with booting from live USB key? | 19:53 |
| McLovin | on the 14.04 alpha I mean | 19:53 |
| knome | McLovin, you should talk with elfy, he's our QA lead | 19:53 |
| knome | so he should know.. | 19:53 |
| McLovin | ok, elfy have you seen that issue at all? | 19:54 |
| elfy | brainwash Noskcaj - action buttons - shutdown/restart works fine - indicator-power I assume - same behaviour | 19:54 |
| Unit193 | elfy: Grabbing the i386 to see if I get it as well. | 19:54 |
| elfy | logout fails from indicator-power but works from action buttons | 19:55 |
| elfy | power press button - shutsdown the machine | 19:55 |
| elfy | McLovin: sorry - was in the middle of shouting at the machine here :p | 19:56 |
| McLovin | has anyone else have any issues with booting from live USB key? | 19:56 |
| elfy | so what issue are you talking about? | 19:56 |
| elfy | I missed all of what you said previously | 19:56 |
| McLovin | I DD'd the alpha iso to a usb key, and when I tried to boot it, it gave me a blue screen with a black box, and the whole screen just was blinking rapidly | 19:57 |
| elfy | brainwash Noskcaj so - it seems I've an issue here still | 19:57 |
| elfy | McLovin: not seen nor heard that one lately | 19:57 |
| elfy | 32bit or 64bit | 19:58 |
| McLovin | I'm gonna download another copy of the iso, dbl check the md5 and make sure all is good, and try again with a different usb key | 19:58 |
| McLovin | I run 64bit | 19:58 |
| elfy | I tend to use unetbootin - not really ever bothered with dd for it | 19:58 |
| elfy | McLovin: well - have you checked the md5 against what you do have - that said the image was rebuilt earlier today | 19:59 |
| McLovin | I got the image yesterday morning | 19:59 |
| McLovin | my time | 19:59 |
| Unit193 | McLovin: Could use rsync or zsync to use part of the iso you already have. | 19:59 |
| elfy | right - been a rebuild since then - 10:07UTC today | 20:00 |
| elfy | Unit193: +1 to that | 20:00 |
| brainwash | elfy: indicator-power is a different story and not being used by xubuntu (as of now) | 20:00 |
| McLovin | I have stupid fast cpnnection speeds, so dling a new iso only takes about 45 seconds | 20:00 |
| lderan | i used to have a stupidly fast connection speed :( | 20:00 |
| elfy | ochosi: ok - so 2 days of nvidia and no return to that xchat issue - reinstalled nouveau tonight - waiting game | 20:01 |
| Noskcaj | McLovin: wow. It just took me an hour | 20:01 |
| elfy | lderan: then the speed caught up with the accent? | 20:01 |
| Unit193 | McLovin: Hah, nice! | 20:01 |
| Noskcaj | Is that a university internet or do you just live in the right place? | 20:01 |
| lderan | elfy, yup :P | 20:01 |
| brainwash | elfy: pressing the power button should perform the action specified via the xfce power manager, same for closing the (laptop) lid | 20:01 |
| elfy | lderan: forever tarred with the Carrot badge :D | 20:01 |
| McLovin | I pay a high price for my connection | 20:01 |
| McLovin | and I live in the right area | 20:01 |
| Noskcaj | /rename-channel #xubuntu-offtopic | 20:02 |
| brainwash | elfy: bug 1222021 | 20:02 |
| ubottu | bug 1222021 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "xfce4-power-manager does not inhibit systemd from handling buttons and lid events" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1222021 | 20:02 |
| elfy | brainwash: I assumed so - it's not though ;) | 20:02 |
| McLovin | I have 80mb/s connection | 20:02 |
| Noskcaj | McLovin: 100mbps in the nearest town to where i am | 20:02 |
| brainwash | elfy: you should add a comment to the bug report then | 20:02 |
| elfy | and indicator-power is not going to be a default xubuntu one ? | 20:02 |
| elfy | where's it say that? | 20:03 |
| brainwash | we got the xfce-power-manager tray icon | 20:03 |
| McLovin | version 20131217? | 20:04 |
| McLovin | iso version I'm talking about | 20:04 |
| elfy | McLovin: 2 secs | 20:04 |
| elfy | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/20131217/trusty-desktop-amd64.iso | 20:04 |
| elfy | looks to be the one you're looking at | 20:04 |
| McLovin | yup yup | 20:05 |
| elfy | brainwash: I'll remove power from the wiki then | 20:05 |
| Unit193 | Additional benefit of zsync is that it has the shasum embedded and checks it. | 20:05 |
| brainwash | elfy: nah, it can be tested | 20:05 |
| brainwash | elfy: same for the session and date&time indicator | 20:06 |
| elfy | mmm | 20:06 |
| McLovin | ok, I got the one from the pending now | 20:06 |
| elfy | pending? | 20:07 |
| McLovin | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/pending/ | 20:07 |
| elfy | think that's the same one | 20:07 |
| McLovin | it's the iso that was released at 10:04 this morning | 20:07 |
| elfy | yea same -= just checked the md5's | 20:08 |
| McLovin | yea, it is the same one | 20:08 |
| McLovin | lol | 20:08 |
| elfy | ochosi brainwash - plus side to whatever I appeared to have done to this in the last 45 minutes - lost the lag when logging in - seems to go straight to the desktop now | 20:09 |
| McLovin | for some reason my download is going kinda slow right now | 20:09 |
| elfy | no grey screen | 20:09 |
| brainwash | elfy: maybe we need to discuss this, but I assume we will stay with the current panel setup and keep xfce-power-manaer (tray icon), xfce4-session panel item and xfce4-datetime-plugin | 20:09 |
| elfy | McLovin: quick question - unrelated to current issue - what has brought you to us here - where do you read about our testing | 20:09 |
| Unit193 | McLovin: cdimage.ubuntu gives me less than half the speed I'm getting from us.archive.ubuntu. | 20:10 |
| elfy | brainwash: yea - maybe add an agenda item for it | 20:10 |
| brainwash | elfy: yes | 20:11 |
| brainwash | elfy: no grey screen (flicker) is always good news :) | 20:11 |
| elfy | indeed lol | 20:11 |
| elfy | but I was still getting it with nvidia | 20:12 |
| McLovin | elfy, I just wanted to try out xfce, and was building my own distro for myself for a while, and started to swsitch to an Ubuntu mini.iso base, and then building an XFCE desktop on top of that, then decided to give xubuntu a try, and figured, I know what needs to be done, and I'm able to build from scratch, know how to bug track and fix issues, so I figured I would see if I was able to out here in any wya | 20:12 |
| McLovin | way* | 20:12 |
| McLovin | why do you ask elfy? | 20:12 |
| elfy | will doublecheck tomorrow - but I've logged in/out/shutdown a few times recently | 20:12 |
| brainwash | elfy: did you maybe disable xfwm4's compositor? | 20:12 |
| elfy | McLovin: because it's an uphill struggle getting people to test for us - just wondering if you'd seen it somewhere specific | 20:13 |
| elfy | brainwash: possibly | 20:13 |
| elfy | no - enabled still | 20:13 |
| brainwash | elfy: ok | 20:13 |
| elfy | so that's another plus :D | 20:13 |
| McLovin | no, I saw the get involved link, and decided to follow it and see if there was anything I could do | 20:13 |
| elfy | ok - thanks :) | 20:13 |
| McLovin | no problem | 20:14 |
| elfy | brainwash: all the barious options in logind.conf are commented out | 20:19 |
| elfy | including #PowerKeyIgnoreInhibited=no | 20:19 |
| brainwash | elfy: any suspicious errors/warnings in ~/.cache/upstart/startxfce4.log? or in syslog? | 20:22 |
| brainwash | or /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log | 20:22 |
| brainwash | because a forced logout might point to a X server crash | 20:22 |
| brainwash | the usual log file madness, check them all :) | 20:23 |
| McLovin | ok, I'm gonna try the unetboot way to get the new iso onto a usb key, and see if I can get it installed and running | 20:25 |
| elfy | McLovin: have you seen any of the current issues - mostly with user session#/ | 20:26 |
| McLovin | honestly, I just got home from the Dr and PT, so I haven't really had time to look at too much today, let go take a look at the bug reports, you got a quicker link to them I can use? | 20:27 |
| elfy | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1259662 | 20:28 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1259662 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Menus include settings applications" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 20:28 |
| elfy | is annoying | 20:28 |
| elfy | http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/308/builds/59196/testcases | 20:28 |
| elfy | look there - you can mouseover the bugs - most of the descriptions sum them up nice;y | 20:29 |
| elfy | the major one is you'll load to a login screen - make sure to set session to xubuntu, language to what you want and the username is xubuntu | 20:29 |
| ali1234 | what's that settings bug about? | 20:30 |
| elfy | -default-settings? | 20:30 |
| ali1234 | i don't understand the bug | 20:30 |
| ali1234 | what were you expecting? | 20:30 |
| elfy | live session doesn't get setup - you boot to login screen | 20:30 |
| elfy | ali1234: the same as we always get ;) | 20:31 |
| McLovin | why are Lubuntu and Ubuntu bugs being posted at the Xubuntu bug report page? | 20:32 |
| elfy | they affect us | 20:32 |
| ali1234 | because there is overlap between all the flavours | 20:32 |
| elfy | brainwash: nothing obvious I can see in the logs | 20:33 |
| ali1234 | elfy: so your system sub-menu is now huge? | 20:33 |
| McLovin | ahh, well, yeah, some of them I can that do, like the GTK-3+ stuff, but things like keyboard selection on Unity desktop? | 20:33 |
| elfy | ali1234: that bug - thought you were talking about the other one - yes, all the items in the settings manager are replicated outside the settings manager | 20:34 |
| ali1234 | *all* of them? | 20:34 |
| McLovin | to change that I think you would just have to edit the .desktop files for those item | 20:34 |
| elfy | ali1234: seems to be all of the settings manager items yep | 20:34 |
| ali1234 | because... if you put *everything* from settings manager into a menu on purpose - the menu has about 20 top level items and also some submenus | 20:34 |
| elfy | ali1234: I'll do a screenshot | 20:35 |
| Noskcaj | So i just finished my daily install, for some reason the default desktop was the Xfce session, rather than the Xubuntu session | 20:35 |
| ali1234 | http://imagebin.org/282779 | 20:36 |
| elfy | McLovin: we shouldn't need to - that user session bug first appeared at the same time as the menu | 20:36 |
| elfy | ali1234: yea - not right | 20:37 |
| McLovin | ahh, ok | 20:37 |
| elfy | Noskcaj: as far as I know this is all to do with the same issue | 20:37 |
| elfy | they certainly appeared at the same time and on the same image | 20:37 |
| Noskcaj | ok | 20:38 |
| elfy | ahah - latest image seems to have lost the menu issue | 20:38 |
| elfy | not looked since before 1000 this morning | 20:39 |
| ali1234 | i just updated my trusty install and don't see it. i'm not curently testing isos though | 20:40 |
| ali1234 | my custom settings menu still works fine too | 20:41 |
| elfy | might just be on iso's | 20:41 |
| ali1234 | the upstart idicator ting still isn't fixed :( | 20:41 |
| elfy | I tend to not use the dailies themselves other than to test - this install just get's updated as they roll in | 20:41 |
| elfy | brainwash: earlier when I was talking about the indicators - spoke about the power one - I was wrong I meant the session management one | 20:43 |
| brainwash | elfy: the cog wheel? | 20:45 |
| elfy | yea | 20:45 |
| elfy | logout doesn't work for me from it | 20:45 |
| brainwash | I don't use that one | 20:46 |
| brainwash | but I will test it somewhat later | 20:46 |
| * elfy neither - but as I Was checking the others - I checked these too | 20:46 | |
| brainwash | maybe you should list these indicator as optional ones | 20:47 |
| elfy | me? | 20:47 |
| brainwash | indicator-session -datetime -power | 20:47 |
| brainwash | yes, the wiki article | 20:47 |
| elfy | agenda? | 20:48 |
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| Guest3932 | ok, i got the live iso to boot | 20:48 |
| brainwash | gtk3 indicator article | 20:48 |
| elfy | would be better to discuss at a meeting and then list these things as optionals I think | 20:49 |
| brainwash | they bloat the panel and we don't intend to use them anyway | 20:49 |
| brainwash | right | 20:49 |
| elfy | there you go again - what's this 'we' - I've seen nothing at all anywhere about which we might or not be using | 20:49 |
| ali1234 | agreed. the wiki page lists *all* of them | 20:50 |
| brainwash | uhm, the great xubuntu spirit :D | 20:50 |
| elfy | lol | 20:50 |
| elfy | well it needs to get off it's arse and mail the list then :p | 20:50 |
| brainwash | no one mentioned that we will switch to these specific indiactors | 20:51 |
| brainwash | so we keep the current panel setup | 20:51 |
| ali1234 | well, it's not even in the main distro yet | 20:51 |
| brainwash | but we got a working PPA now at least | 20:52 |
| elfy | yep - step forward :) | 20:52 |
| brainwash | on top of that, with the patched indicator-sound-gtk2 for saucy we can now focus on trusty and gtk3 indi support | 20:53 |
| elfy | wb McLovin_ | 20:54 |
| McLovin_ | thank you | 20:54 |
| McLovin_ | I got the new iso to boot, but all the fonts are messed up | 20:54 |
| Unit193 | We still don't have indicator-sound-gtk2, is it stuck in upload queue? | 20:54 |
| elfy | McLovin_: bangladesh fonts? you need to set that at the login screen currently | 20:55 |
| McLovin_ | some are normal and in plain english, others looked like they were arabic maybe? | 20:55 |
| McLovin_ | yes, that would be it | 20:55 |
| elfy | yep - set that at the flag icon on login screen | 20:55 |
| McLovin_ | ok, I must not have read everything like an idiot | 20:55 |
| elfy | :) | 20:55 |
| elfy | I've read them so often that my head is spinning at the moment | 20:56 |
| McLovin_ | <-------------please excuse the noob | 20:56 |
| elfy | then I got a slightly different variation on that theme with the 32bit image - that went to xfce session regardless of what session I set | 20:56 |
| brainwash | bug 1245585 | 20:57 |
| ubottu | bug 1245585 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "LiveCD: wrong language selected by default on login screen" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1245585 | 20:57 |
| brainwash | ^ | 20:57 |
| McLovin_ | ok, I'll work on that and other things in a little bit, like I said, I was at Dr and PT all day, so I'm kinda tired, and I need to eat something, so. I'll be back later most likely | 20:58 |
| McLovin_ | ttyal | 20:58 |
| elfy | back tomorrow | 21:09 |
| === Noskcaj10 is now known as Noskcaj | ||
| ochosi | pmjdebruijn: i'm very interested in getting that in xfce at least in some optional way, but i'm not sure, when i last looked at it it seemed like a terrible amount of work (with stuff i have no clue about) | 21:58 |
| ochosi | pmjdebruijn: your article is really a nice read! | 22:01 |
| knome | ochosi, want to do a round of wallpaper stuff? | 22:06 |
| ochosi | yeah, could do | 22:06 |
| ochosi | last round before christmas | 22:07 |
| knome | if you say so ;) | 22:07 |
| ochosi | well yeah, actually after tday afternoon i'll be gone more or less until january | 22:07 |
| knome | ah | 22:07 |
| ochosi | lots of travelling and meeting family | 22:07 |
| knome | have fun then, and merry christmas and happy new year! | 22:07 |
| ochosi | almost every day in a different place... | 22:07 |
| ochosi | ty :) | 22:07 |
| knome | huhu | 22:07 |
| knome | that's sick | 22:07 |
| ochosi | well i'll be around *till* thursday | 22:07 |
| knome | but that's pretty much what my wife does with her 6 days off | 22:08 |
| ochosi | mhm | 22:08 |
| ochosi | well i don't have much choice | 22:08 |
| knome | same city though, so always gets home for the night | 22:08 |
| ochosi | anyhoo, wallpapers: i already talked to gridcube that his photos don't have enough resolution | 22:08 |
| ochosi | but he doesn't have them in a higher resolution | 22:08 |
| knome | did he submit some? | 22:08 |
| ochosi | so i'm wondering whether we should accept them because they're not getting in the set anyway... | 22:09 |
| knome | what's the resolution? | 22:09 |
| ochosi | 2048 x 1536 | 22:10 |
| ochosi | our minimum in the guidelines is 2560 x 1600 | 22:11 |
| knome | yep, i'm looking at that | 22:11 |
| knome | probably best to stick with the guidelines. | 22:11 |
| ochosi | yeah, if we already decide on a limit, it's kinda odd having to justify going for another limit later | 22:12 |
| ochosi | anyway, he understood when i pointed it out | 22:12 |
| knome | yes, and lookd dubious if we bend/change the rules for a team member | 22:12 |
| ochosi | yeah | 22:13 |
| ochosi | so i'll remove them with a note in the changelog | 22:13 |
| knome | i don't see them in submissions | 22:13 |
| knome | do i have something cached? | 22:13 |
| knome | oh, another alias | 22:13 |
| ochosi | sorry, they're already gone... | 22:14 |
| ochosi | you can go to the history | 22:14 |
| ochosi | i haven't removed the attachments yet | 22:14 |
| knome | i've seen them | 22:14 |
| knome | i was just wondering what photos were you talking about :) | 22:14 |
| ochosi | ah ok | 22:15 |
| ochosi | knome: ok, my part is done | 22:25 |
| knome | oki | 22:25 |
| knome | and done | 22:29 |
| ochosi | cool, ta | 22:31 |
| knome | np | 22:32 |
| sergiobenrocha2 | hello | 22:33 |
| sergiobenrocha2 | how can i assign 1 bug to xubuntu? | 22:34 |
| knome | what bug and why? | 22:35 |
| sergiobenrocha2 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1216594 | 22:35 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1216594 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "xfce power manager reports invalid battery life information" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 22:35 |
| sergiobenrocha2 | yes | 22:35 |
| sergiobenrocha2 | it is | 22:35 |
| sergiobenrocha2 | i don't understand very well... there is a lot of bug in xubuntu, but only 5 or 6 is assign to this page: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/309/builds | 22:37 |
| sergiobenrocha2 | hum, it changed to 3 | 22:38 |
| knome | those iso tests do not cover all the aspects of xubuntu | 22:41 |
| knome | packages.qa.ubuntu.com for more testing | 22:41 |
| sergiobenrocha2 | humm, ok | 22:50 |
| sergiobenrocha2 | if i tag "trusty" in launchpad, it assign to this page, if the package is in xubuntu/xfce ? | 22:50 |
| knome | no | 22:57 |
| knome | you will have to report a test result from the tracker for the bug to show up in that list | 22:58 |
| ochosi | pmjdebruijn: meh, i just get weird errors with dispcal (different I/O errors with the saucy version and your PPA, so it obviously doesn't like me) | 22:58 |
| sergiobenrocha2 | i can reproduce Bug #1210898 | 23:09 |
| ubottu | bug 1210898 in thunar (Ubuntu) "Thunar does not automatically mount removable drives and media" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1210898 | 23:09 |
| sergiobenrocha2 | but i'm using the ppa's... | 23:09 |
| ochosi | yeah, looks like automount is borked | 23:11 |
| brainwash | shouldn't thunar-volman be the target package? | 23:13 |
| ochosi | yeah | 23:14 |
| ochosi | although it could also be a bug in thunar | 23:14 |
| ochosi | hard to say | 23:14 |
| brainwash | software, please stop breaking | 23:15 |
| brainwash | :D | 23:16 |
| sergiobenrocha2 | hehe | 23:17 |
| * ochosi waits to see whether that helps | 23:17 | |
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