[00:00] <brainwash> the keyboard shortcut to lock the screen should now work, also the menu entry
[00:01] <brainwash> on top of that, light-locker will automatically lock the screen on suspend/hibernate
[00:01] <brainwash> if triggered via session menu
[00:02] <sergiobenrocha2> ok
[00:03] <sergiobenrocha2> i had an issue to login in live cd
[00:03] <brainwash> make sure that the light-locker process is running in the background, if you haven't restarted the session yet after installing light-locker
[00:03] <sergiobenrocha2> it prompt me to login window, it has um report bug, or no?
[00:03] <sergiobenrocha2> ah, sure about light locker.
[00:04] <sergiobenrocha2> i'm in live cd yet
[00:05] <brainwash> there is an issue with login?
[00:05] <sergiobenrocha2> i think login in live CD has 3 issues. One i think it is reported
[00:05] <brainwash> 3 o.o
[00:05] <sergiobenrocha2> yes, i have to type xubuntu to login
[00:05] <sergiobenrocha2> but, i had to try too the language (bangladesh to english) and the session, xfce to xubuntu
[00:06] <brainwash> it's always a good idea to report bugs if you cannot find an existing report
[00:06] <sergiobenrocha2> well, i'm not sure if these are reported
[00:06] <sergiobenrocha2> let me find this
[00:07] <sergiobenrocha2> i don't undertand well this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1257372
[00:07] <sergiobenrocha2> this covers only the problem to go direct to desktop, is it true?
[00:09] <sergiobenrocha2> in saucy, the language problem is still there. If you do a logout and do login, typing xubuntu, the desktop will be a xfce session with bangladesh language
[00:09] <sergiobenrocha2> and it continues in trusty
[00:09] <sergiobenrocha2> so, i don't sure if this bug covers these issues
[00:09] <brainwash> yes, I did encounter this problem too (saucy)
[00:09] <brainwash> currently I'm trying to find the bug report :)
[00:10] <sergiobenrocha2> and i don't know what package is, this 2 issues, language and session type
[00:11] <sergiobenrocha2> the default, i think, should be "English" and "Xubuntu Session", not "Bangladesh" and "Xfce Session"
[00:11] <brainwash> bug 1245585
[00:12] <sergiobenrocha2> yes, cool, it is
[00:12] <sergiobenrocha2> it affects trusty too
[00:13] <sergiobenrocha2> hum, i forgot that i commented in this bug :D
[00:14] <sergiobenrocha2> but the package affected is not ubiquity
[00:14] <brainwash> no?
[00:14] <sergiobenrocha2> well, i don't know.
[00:14] <brainwash> read comment 5
[00:15] <brainwash> so as of now we don't know the cause of this problem
[00:15] <sergiobenrocha2> ok
[00:16] <sergiobenrocha2> so, probably it is the same issue for session type?
[00:16] <brainwash> most likely yes
[00:17] <brainwash> it looks like lightdm is simply falling back to the first entry in the menu
[00:18] <sergiobenrocha2> yes, bangladesh is the first language
[00:18] <brainwash> because it is not able to query the correct default values of the live user
[00:18] <brainwash> like comment 5 states, it's maybe a problem caused by accountsservice
[00:19] <brainwash> the service which manages user settings like language, keyboard layout, background picture,..
[00:22] <sergiobenrocha2> ok, thanks for all, i will try to install xubuntu here
[00:23] <brainwash> glad you enjoy xubuntu :)
[00:24] <sergiobenrocha2> hum, alacarte will be substitute, i forgot the name... is there a ppa? or it is in repo?
[00:25] <brainwash> menulibre
[00:25] <brainwash> https://launchpad.net/~menulibre-dev/+archive/daily
[00:26] <sergiobenrocha2> ok, thanks
[01:15] <forestpiskie> bluesabre: isn't menulibre in a massive state of flux at the moment?
[02:14] <bluesabre> forestpiskie, yea, that's one way to put it
[02:14] <bluesabre> cool, kendall made his way over to -devel :)
[02:14] <bluesabre> (one of my coworkers)
[02:49] <unova> Hi all
[04:43] <bluesabre> forestpiskie, I expect to have menulibre at a much more stable state by the end of this or next week
[04:44] <bluesabre> I took all of next week off, so I should have a good opportunity to make tons of progress on each of my work items
[04:50] <Noskcaj> forestpiskie, The issue with putting a full call for testing out yet is that the patch isn't finished. 
[04:50] <Noskcaj> ochosi, I am the packager, but all i know about systemd is it made a minor war in the debian community
[04:57] <Noskcaj> I'll add dh_systemd in the next ppa upload, since it can't hurt.
[05:29] <Unit193> forestpiskie: No.
[05:35] <Unit193> dh_systemd won't help at all, btw.
[07:30] <knome> morning. just set up my desktop system.
[07:33] <forestpiskie> hi knome 
[07:33] <knome> hey forestpiskie :)
[07:34] <forestpiskie> Noskcaj: okey doke
[07:54] <elfy> Unit193: thanks 
[07:56] <knome> ahh
[07:56] <knome> much better today with the working room, but too bad i'm feeling a bit sick :(
[07:56] <elfy> :(
[08:01] <elfy> this user-session bug is a real pita 
[08:02] <knome> wha? :P
[08:04] <Unit193> Got gilir online, fixed there.  Went over some information from that though, default-session was what was in th email, but it didn't work.
[08:06] <elfy> I saw lubuntu was fixed 
[08:38] <elfy> knome: can you look at this - adding menu test to software centre https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/USCedit
[08:38] <elfy> if you've not got time let me know and I'll hassle Nick
[08:45] <elfy> Unit193: this is nice - so 64bit - you can tell it to run xub session and change the language - do the same in the 32bit and it ignores what session you tell it
[08:45] <Unit193> Well that's strange, I always cheated on that one though.
[08:48] <elfy> lol
[09:02] <ochosi> elfy, Unit193: so we're still having problems with the dailys?
[09:05] <elfy> dailies/a1 
[09:06] <ochosi> k
[09:06] <ochosi> i thought Unit193 had proposed fixes for the login issues
[09:06] <elfy> ochosi: it's sitting there triaged 
[09:06] <ochosi> :(
[09:07] <ochosi> so we need to put it in the sponsors queue?
[09:07] <elfy> I guess so - I don't really understand all that stuff :| though knome was pinging micah about it a couple of days ago
[09:08] <ochosi> yeah, but micahg is busy most of the time, we should just always throw stuff at the sponsor's queue imo
[09:09] <ochosi> if he gets to it earlier, fine, but that way things aren't in limbo forever
[09:10] <ochosi> knome: what do you think? ^
[09:12] <elfy> if the sponsors queue is what logically I think it is - then I'd +1 that
[09:15] <ochosi> we used it a lot to get stuff into saucy
[09:15] <ochosi> dholbach was one of the most frequent uploaders
[09:15] <elfy> :)
[09:18] <elfy> Unit193: bug 1261660 - I assume it's all related, but I reported it anyway 
[09:19] <elfy> ochosi: best thing for me to do with things like sponsors queue is just to +1 it if it's in the best interests of the team - but do nothing else in case I break it :p
[09:30] <knome> ochosi, elfy: +1.
[09:31] <knome> if you file the paperwork, i can ping people to look at it
[09:32] <ochosi> well tbh Unit193 is on that bug, so i can't really file the paperwork
[09:32] <ochosi> but i hope he can do it and get in touch with you
[09:32] <knome> on that bug? what do you mean?
[09:32] <ochosi> well the trusty login stuff
[09:32] <knome> it's been ACK'd the branch is okay
[09:32] <knome> and now it just need uploading
[09:33] <knome> is there something blocking that i don't understand?
[09:33] <ochosi> but it's not in the sponsor's queue yet, or is it?
[09:33] <knome> no
[09:33] <knome> but if you file the paperwork, eg. get it on the queue..
[09:33] <ochosi> moreover, for me it was about what we generally should do, not just this bug specifically
[09:33] <knome> yep
[09:34] <knome> i'm all +1 for the queue at least for now, until we have more packagers
[09:34] <knome> desktop machine is so good
[09:34] <ochosi> tbh i have no clue how to add stuff to the queue (and i don't know where the branch sits...)
[09:34] <knome> lol
[09:34] <knome> i'll paste you an url
[09:34] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess
[09:35] <Unit193> "Is on that bug"  I'm a bug perhaps?  What do you mean by this?
[09:35] <knome> basically, file a bug; attach a patch, and subscribe ubuntu-sponsors
[09:36] <ochosi> Unit193: i thought you were the one who proposed a branch with a fix?
[09:37] <Unit193> That's all I've done, other than testing but that doesn't count.
[09:37] <knome> i believe it was xnox who ack'd the branch is fine
[09:37] <ochosi> k
[09:38] <knome> basically, the message was: get it uploaded now
[09:38] <knome> ;)
[09:38] <ochosi> anyway, gotta do some work, bbabl
[09:38] <knome> if you want, you can follow up on #ubuntu-quality 
[09:40] <Unit193> Also, it needs fixed "upstream", which is where I proposed it and only the two xubuntu devs can commit.
[09:40] <knome> and anybody in ~ubuntu-dev
[09:40] <knome> i guess.
[09:41] <knome> ~ubuntu-core-dev is a member of ~xubuntu-dev
[09:41] <knome> so that should work out as expected
[09:41] <knome> again, if you do the paperwork, i'll get somebody to look at it..
[09:46] <Unit193> Heh, so "deadline" is the 19th.
[09:54] <slickymaster> morning all
[09:55] <elfy> monring slickymaster 
[09:55] <slickymaster> morning elfy
[10:00] <knome> hey slickymaster 
[10:00] <knome> slickymaster, you pinged me earlier?
[10:00] <elfy> might have ... 
[10:00] <knome> lol
[10:02]  * slickymaster curses his internet connection
[10:04] <elfy> bbl
[10:04] <knome> slickymaster, hullo
[10:04] <knome> elfy, your branch is merged and in the tracker
[10:04] <slickymaster> morning knome 
[10:04] <knome> slickymaster, you pinged me?
[10:05] <slickymaster> knome: i see i have a lot of -doc related mails to catch up with ;)
[10:05] <knome> sure, i had those too..
[10:05] <slickymaster> yesterday, but it's resolved
[10:05] <knome> okay, good
[10:05] <slickymaster> it was about merging the xfce4 panel test
[10:12] <knome> :)
[10:18] <elfy> 64bit has been rebuilt apparently
[10:18] <elfy> knome: ty
[10:18] <elfy> knome: you done the tracker or shall I do that?
[10:21] <elfy> nvm - read the whole line now ... 
[10:44] <knome> elfy, :)
[10:46] <slickymaster> damn internet connection
[10:47] <slickymaster> elfy, knome, if neither of you have any objections I'll assign my self to bug 1255805 to fix it
[10:47] <knome> slickymaster, go ahead
[11:27] <brainwash> elfy: did you already test Noskcaj's power manager PPA?
[11:28] <brainwash> with this patched version Xubuntu does not immediately shut down when the power button is pressed
[11:29] <brainwash> so the user is actually able to interact with shutdown dialog and decide what the system should do
[11:29] <brainwash> works for me
[11:31] <brainwash> also closing the lid should now perform the action set via the power manager settings window
[11:31] <brainwash> bug 1222021
[11:38] <ochosi> brainwash: so lid stuff works? i still gotta test that in saucy
[11:38] <brainwash> could not test it
[11:38] <ochosi> (so far my system went to a zombie-like suspend state when i closed the lid too early when shutting down)
[11:38] <brainwash> that's a different issue
[11:38] <ochosi> are you sure?
[11:39] <brainwash> yea, the shutdown process should not be interrupted 
[11:39] <brainwash> maybe I can find the bug report
[11:40] <brainwash> bug 1211514
[11:41] <brainwash> fixed in trusty :)
[11:41] <bluesabre> sweet!
[11:44] <ochosi> nice
[11:47] <ochosi> hope they'll fix it in saucy too
[11:47] <slickymaster> elfy: ping me when you can. There's something I'd like to discuss with you about http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/306/builds/55995/testcases/1569/results
[11:47] <ochosi> oh
[11:47] <brainwash> ochosi: package is already in proposed
[11:47] <ochosi> they did in proposed
[11:47] <ochosi> yeah, just noticed
[11:48] <brainwash> regarding the new abiword ruler glitch, overlay-scrollbar actually prevents the top ruler from breaking
[11:49] <brainwash> but the ruler on the left side breaks partially after scrolling
[11:50] <ochosi> great :/
[11:50] <brainwash> so it's not Xubuntu specific :)
[11:50] <ochosi> yeah
[11:50] <ochosi> that's the good side
[11:50] <ochosi> means i don't have to dig into the theming code once again
[11:50]  * ochosi remembers the horror of reading the abiword source a few months ago
[11:52] <brainwash> maybe it gets fixed at some point during the normal dev cycle of abitword
[11:52] <brainwash> abiword
[11:53] <ochosi> yup, let's just hope that
[12:47] <brainwash> ochosi: bug 1261372
[12:48] <brainwash> maybe it could be improved via theme changes?
[12:49] <ochosi> brainwash: it could, but tabs look the same everywhere and i don't wanna break the consistency
[12:49] <ochosi> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-12172013-014935pm.php
[12:49] <brainwash> so fix it everywhere?
[12:49] <ochosi> imho it's not that hard to see
[12:50] <ochosi> or instead, mark it as wontfix
[12:50] <brainwash> for older people it is
[12:51] <brainwash> so a change to improve the contrast is unlikely?
[12:52] <ochosi> i wouldn't recommend our theme to old people or people with bad sight by default, better to use a highcontrast theme instead
[12:52] <brainwash> ok
[12:52] <ochosi> we've had many issues like this one before, to be frank
[12:53] <ochosi> but increasing the contrast everywhere to account for ppl with bad sight makes things sometimes worse to use for ppl with good eyesight
[12:53] <ochosi> so it's a question of balance imo
[12:53] <brainwash> well, we also have a 1px window border :D
[12:53] <brainwash> not easy to resize the window via mouse
[12:54] <knome> brainwash, alt-right-click-drag
[12:54] <brainwash> yeah, I was thinking about the possibility to make xubuntu a bit easier to use for most people
[12:54] <brainwash> knome: yeah, hardly anyone uses this method
[12:55] <knome> well that's a harsh assumption
[12:55] <brainwash> it's my observation
[12:55] <knome> from a group of how many people?
[12:55] <knome> i mean,
[12:55] <brainwash> like.. 10 at max
[12:55] <ochosi> brainwash: we actually have a 2px border
[12:55] <brainwash> =S
[12:55] <knome> i don't necessarily disagree on how used that is
[12:56] <knome> but i do think we should rather make people be aware of taht
[12:56] <knome> that
[12:56] <knome> than changing our theming because of that issue
[12:56] <brainwash> yes, it's a never ending story anyway
[12:58] <ochosi> in a way, yes. but it really isn't hard to use a different theme
[12:58] <knome> ;)
[12:59] <brainwash> what about making the font bold in the active tab?
[12:59] <knome> ...or a different way to resize the window
[12:59] <brainwash> :)
[12:59] <ochosi> brainwash: well, in this case gtk2 is the limit... in gtk3 i could probably do that
[12:59] <knome> ochosi, ^ wouldn't that lead to tabs "nudging" ?
[12:59] <ochosi> yeah, and it could lead to that
[12:59] <ochosi> but as i can't even do it, i can't test it now :)
[12:59] <ochosi> (our theme would look different anyway if we weren't restricted by gtk2)
[13:00] <brainwash> more awesome?
[13:04] <ochosi> i guess i'll take that as a compliment, and yes, in some areas, certainly more awesome
[13:07] <ochosi> (fwiw, tabs would be one of those areas)
[13:14] <ali1234> i'm going to fix the 1px border thing in xfwm
[13:14] <ali1234> but after christmas
[13:14] <ali1234> we should be able to have 0px borders... and still resize the windows
[13:14] <knome> awwh, no nice christmas present from ali1234 ;(
[13:14] <knome> ali1234, btw, why 1234?
[13:14] <ali1234> ali123 was taken
[13:14] <knome> why 123?
[13:15] <ali1234> same
[13:15] <knome> lol
[13:15] <knome> why not non-ali?
[13:16] <ali1234> i don't want to come up with a new name
[13:16] <knome> lol
[13:16] <knome> alib
[13:16] <knome> or a_lib :P
[13:16] <knome> or ali5n
[13:16] <knome> or alib4n
[13:17] <knome> wait, that's a bit close to taliban
[13:17] <knome> alibxn
[13:17] <knome> !
[13:23] <GridCube> !enter | knome 
[13:23] <knome> GridCube, they weren't either questions or responses ;)
[13:23] <GridCube> XD
[13:24] <GridCube> probably !flood then P:
[13:24] <knome> ha
[14:51] <slickymaster> knome: if you're around, please merge https://code.launchpad.net/~slickymaster/ubuntu-manual-tests/ubuntu-manual-tests/+merge/199280 and update the tracker
[15:09] <slickymaster> bbl
[18:14] <pmjdebruijn> hi folks
[18:14] <pmjdebruijn> "bigger" desktops (like GNOME/KDE) are now integrating color management configuration etc
[18:14] <pmjdebruijn> this is still missing for XFCE (and thus Xubuntu), while I agree it an argument on itself, whether xfce/xubuntu should ever go there, "feature bloat"
[18:15] <pmjdebruijn> I did a writeup, how color management can be configured right now on current xubuntu
[18:15] <pmjdebruijn> https://encrypted.pcode.nl/blog/2013/11/24/display-color-profiling-on-linux/
[18:17] <pmjdebruijn> I guess this is more of a FYI, if you ever come across users asking about this kinda thing, you know where to point them :)
[18:56] <knome> meeting time soon
[18:57] <elfy> wut?
[18:57] <knome> oh wait
[18:57] <knome> haha
[18:57] <knome> no...
[18:57] <knome> nvm
[18:57] <knome> i'm off
[18:57] <elfy> 48 hours maybe :p
[18:57] <knome> yep :P
[19:00] <brainwash> elfy: please test https://launchpad.net/~noskcaj/+archive/power-manager-systemd
[19:12] <Noskcaj> So trusty finally broke on my pc
[19:16] <brainwash> Noskcaj: power-manager-systemd prevents systemd from shutting down immediately, so I was able to interact with the shutdown dialog :)
[19:16] <brainwash> could not test lid events
[19:17] <brainwash> oh, talking about power button event
[19:19] <Noskcaj> Let me know if there's any fixes you want to add. I'll try and work on the autoreconf error when i get my laptop re-installed
[19:20] <brainwash> I guess with the now included patches the systemd support should be complete
[19:21] <elfy> just an upgrade required?
[19:22] <elfy> seems not - nothing shows up after grabbing that ppa and updating
[19:22] <brainwash> trusty, right?
[19:23] <elfy> yea - what package is supposed to update with it?
[19:23] <elfy> d-bus?
[19:23] <brainwash> xfce4-power-manager and xfce4-power-manager-data
[19:23] <elfy> nvm - stupid software updater failing again :D
[19:24] <elfy> got all sorts itr seems gnumeric and nvidia ... 
[19:24] <brainwash> apt should grab the version provided by the PPA
[19:25] <brainwash> well, check "apt-cache policy xfce4-power-manager"
[19:25] <elfy> so this should deal with the pressing power button and wishing I'd not issue I believe
[19:26] <brainwash> yes
[19:26] <brainwash> it works for me now
[19:26] <elfy> needs reboot ?
[19:26] <brainwash> relog
[19:26] <elfy> ok - I'll reboot and check the nvidia I think
[19:27] <brainwash> hopefully I does not break your system :D
[19:27] <brainwash> uhm "it does not.."
[19:27] <brainwash> that makes more sense
[19:39] <elfy> ok - so press power button - logs out the machine
[19:39] <elfy> brainwash Noskcaj ^^
[19:39] <elfy> no idea if I've edited any files - but power manager  has Ask for power button press
[19:40] <brainwash> that is strange
[19:41] <elfy> was there an upstart file we were editing at some point with this issue?
[19:41] <brainwash> the logind.conf file
[19:42] <brainwash> /etc/systemd/logind.conf
[19:42] <elfy> don't remember doing anything with that one here
[19:42] <brainwash> but the patched version of xfce power manager should now prevent systemd from performing any action
[19:42] <brainwash> do you see the shutdown dialog for a brief moment?
[19:43] <elfy> bash history shows me doing something with logind.conf
[19:43] <elfy> really should back these things up ... 
[19:43] <elfy> I'll look tomorrow on a clean install
[19:44] <brainwash> you should also take a look at all the log files
[19:44] <elfy> off to fight nvidia now 
[19:44] <brainwash> ok :)
[19:44] <brainwash> cya
[19:45] <elfy> last time it took me a while to track down what was still blacklisting nouveau - should be easier this time :p
[19:45] <McLovin> hello all
[19:47] <McLovin> is there something wrong with the server? my connection to this channel only seems to be down
[19:47] <knome> doesn't look like there is problems
[19:47] <knome> and yeah.. the dev meeting is on thursday
[19:47] <knome> you got me ;)
[19:49] <McLovin> well, I'm showing a .1-.3 connection lag
[19:49] <knome> that isn't much though
[19:49] <McLovin> but only on this channel
[19:49] <McLovin> the rest it's 0.0 or 0.1
[19:50] <McLovin> then again, I am insane
[19:51] <McLovin> so, 1st time joining, and I'm guessing noone has any issues to talk about?
[19:52] <knome> we aren't always flooding the channel, yeah ;)
[19:53] <elfy> ok - so that's been fun
[19:53] <McLovin> ok, well how about this, anyone else have any issues with booting from live USB key?
[19:53] <McLovin> on the 14.04 alpha I mean
[19:53] <knome> McLovin, you should talk with elfy, he's our QA lead
[19:53] <knome> so he should know..
[19:54] <McLovin> ok, elfy have you seen that issue at all?
[19:54] <elfy> brainwash Noskcaj - action buttons - shutdown/restart works fine - indicator-power I assume - same behaviour
[19:54] <Unit193> elfy: Grabbing the i386 to see if I get it as well.
[19:55] <elfy> logout fails from indicator-power but works from action buttons
[19:55] <elfy> power press button - shutsdown the machine
[19:56] <elfy> McLovin: sorry - was in the middle of shouting at the machine here :p
[19:56] <McLovin> has anyone else have any issues with booting from live USB key?
[19:56] <elfy> so what issue are you talking about?
[19:56] <elfy> I missed all of what you said previously
[19:57] <McLovin> I DD'd the alpha iso to a usb key, and when I tried to boot it, it gave me a blue screen with a black box, and the whole screen just was blinking rapidly
[19:57] <elfy> brainwash Noskcaj so - it seems I've an issue here still 
[19:57] <elfy> McLovin: not seen nor heard that one lately
[19:58] <elfy> 32bit or 64bit
[19:58] <McLovin> I'm gonna download another copy of the iso, dbl check the md5 and make sure all is good, and try again with a different usb key
[19:58] <McLovin> I run 64bit
[19:58] <elfy> I tend to use unetbootin - not really ever bothered with dd for it
[19:59] <elfy> McLovin: well - have you checked the md5 against what you do have - that said the image was rebuilt earlier today
[19:59] <McLovin> I got the image yesterday morning
[19:59] <McLovin> my time
[19:59] <Unit193> McLovin: Could use rsync or zsync to use part of the iso you already have.
[20:00] <elfy> right - been a rebuild since then - 10:07UTC today
[20:00] <elfy> Unit193: +1 to that
[20:00] <brainwash> elfy: indicator-power is a different story and not being used by xubuntu (as of now)
[20:00] <McLovin> I have stupid fast cpnnection speeds, so dling a new iso only takes about 45 seconds
[20:00] <lderan> i used to have a stupidly fast connection speed :(
[20:01] <elfy> ochosi: ok - so 2 days of nvidia and no return to that xchat issue - reinstalled nouveau tonight - waiting game
[20:01] <Noskcaj> McLovin: wow. It just took me an hour
[20:01] <elfy> lderan: then the speed caught up with the accent? 
[20:01] <Unit193> McLovin: Hah, nice!
[20:01] <Noskcaj> Is that a university internet or do you just live in the right place?
[20:01] <lderan> elfy, yup :P
[20:01] <brainwash> elfy: pressing the power button should perform the action specified via the xfce power manager, same for closing the (laptop) lid
[20:01] <elfy> lderan: forever tarred with the Carrot badge :D
[20:01] <McLovin> I pay a high price for my connection
[20:01] <McLovin> and I live in the right area
[20:02] <Noskcaj>  /rename-channel #xubuntu-offtopic
[20:02] <brainwash> elfy: bug 1222021
[20:02] <elfy> brainwash: I assumed so - it's not though ;)
[20:02] <McLovin> I have 80mb/s connection
[20:02] <Noskcaj> McLovin: 100mbps in the nearest town to where i am
[20:02] <brainwash> elfy: you should add a comment to the bug report then
[20:02] <elfy> and indicator-power is not going to be a default xubuntu one ? 
[20:03] <elfy> where's it say that?
[20:03] <brainwash> we got the xfce-power-manager tray icon
[20:04] <McLovin> version 20131217?
[20:04] <McLovin> iso version I'm talking about
[20:04] <elfy> McLovin: 2 secs
[20:04] <elfy> 	http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/20131217/trusty-desktop-amd64.iso
[20:04] <elfy> looks to be the one you're looking at
[20:05] <McLovin> yup yup
[20:05] <elfy> brainwash: I'll remove power from the wiki then
[20:05] <Unit193> Additional benefit of zsync is that it has the shasum embedded and checks it.
[20:05] <brainwash> elfy: nah, it can be tested
[20:06] <brainwash> elfy: same for the session and date&time indicator
[20:06] <elfy> mmm
[20:06] <McLovin> ok, I got the one from the pending now
[20:07] <elfy> pending?
[20:07] <McLovin> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/pending/
[20:07] <elfy> think that's the same one 
[20:07] <McLovin> it's the iso that was released at 10:04 this morning
[20:08] <elfy> yea same -= just checked the md5's
[20:08] <McLovin> yea, it is the same one
[20:08] <McLovin> lol
[20:09] <elfy> ochosi brainwash - plus side to whatever I appeared to have done to this in the last 45 minutes - lost the lag when logging in - seems to go straight to the desktop now
[20:09] <McLovin> for some reason my download is going kinda slow right now
[20:09] <elfy> no grey screen
[20:09] <brainwash> elfy: maybe we need to discuss this, but I assume we will stay with the current panel setup and keep xfce-power-manaer (tray icon), xfce4-session panel item and xfce4-datetime-plugin
[20:09] <elfy> McLovin: quick question - unrelated to current issue - what has brought you to us here - where do you read about our testing
[20:10] <Unit193> McLovin: cdimage.ubuntu gives me less than half the speed I'm getting from us.archive.ubuntu.
[20:10] <elfy> brainwash: yea - maybe add an agenda item for it
[20:11] <brainwash> elfy: yes
[20:11] <brainwash> elfy: no grey screen (flicker) is always good news :)
[20:11] <elfy> indeed lol
[20:12] <elfy> but I was still getting it with nvidia
[20:12] <McLovin> elfy, I just wanted to try out xfce, and was building my own distro for myself for a while, and started to swsitch to an Ubuntu mini.iso base, and then building an XFCE desktop on top of that, then decided to give xubuntu a try, and figured, I know what needs to be done, and I'm able to build from scratch, know how to bug track and fix issues, so I figured I would see if I was able to out here in any wya
[20:12] <McLovin> way*
[20:12] <McLovin> why do you ask elfy?
[20:12] <elfy> will doublecheck tomorrow - but I've logged in/out/shutdown a few times recently
[20:12] <brainwash> elfy: did you maybe disable xfwm4's compositor?
[20:13] <elfy> McLovin: because it's an uphill struggle getting people to test for us - just wondering if you'd seen it somewhere specific 
[20:13] <elfy> brainwash: possibly
[20:13] <elfy> no - enabled still
[20:13] <brainwash> elfy: ok
[20:13] <elfy> so that's another plus :D
[20:13] <McLovin> no, I saw the get involved link, and decided to follow it and see if there was anything I could do
[20:13] <elfy> ok - thanks :)
[20:14] <McLovin> no problem
[20:19] <elfy> brainwash: all the barious options in logind.conf are commented out 
[20:19] <elfy> including #PowerKeyIgnoreInhibited=no
[20:22] <brainwash> elfy: any suspicious errors/warnings in ~/.cache/upstart/startxfce4.log? or in syslog?
[20:22] <brainwash> or /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log
[20:22] <brainwash> because a forced logout might point to a X server crash
[20:23] <brainwash> the usual log file madness, check them all :)
[20:25] <McLovin> ok, I'm gonna try the unetboot way to get the new iso onto a usb key, and see if I can get it installed and running
[20:26] <elfy> McLovin: have you seen any of the current issues - mostly with user session#/
[20:27] <McLovin> honestly, I just got home from the Dr and PT, so I haven't really had time to look at too much today, let go take a look at the bug reports, you got a quicker link to them I can use?
[20:28] <elfy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1259662
[20:28] <elfy> is annoying 
[20:28] <elfy> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/308/builds/59196/testcases
[20:29] <elfy> look there - you can mouseover the bugs - most of the descriptions sum them up nice;y
[20:29] <elfy> the major one is you'll load to a login screen - make sure to set session to xubuntu, language to what you want and the username is xubuntu
[20:30] <ali1234> what's that settings bug about?
[20:30] <elfy> -default-settings?
[20:30] <ali1234> i don't understand the bug
[20:30] <ali1234> what were you expecting?
[20:30] <elfy> live session doesn't get setup - you boot to login screen
[20:31] <elfy> ali1234: the same as we always get ;)
[20:32] <McLovin> why are Lubuntu and Ubuntu bugs being posted at the Xubuntu bug report page?
[20:32] <elfy> they affect us
[20:32] <ali1234> because there is overlap between all the flavours
[20:33] <elfy> brainwash: nothing obvious I can see in the logs
[20:33] <ali1234> elfy: so your system sub-menu is now huge?
[20:33] <McLovin> ahh, well, yeah, some of them I can that do, like the GTK-3+ stuff, but things like keyboard selection on Unity desktop?
[20:34] <elfy> ali1234: that bug - thought you were talking about the other one - yes, all the items in the settings manager are replicated outside the settings manager
[20:34] <ali1234> *all* of them?
[20:34] <McLovin> to change that I think you would just have to edit the .desktop files for those item
[20:34] <elfy> ali1234: seems to be all of the settings manager items yep
[20:34] <ali1234> because... if you put *everything* from settings manager into a menu on purpose - the menu has about 20 top level items and also some submenus
[20:35] <elfy> ali1234: I'll do a screenshot
[20:35] <Noskcaj> So i just finished my daily install, for some reason the default desktop was the Xfce session, rather than the Xubuntu session
[20:36] <ali1234> http://imagebin.org/282779
[20:36] <elfy> McLovin: we shouldn't need to - that user session bug first appeared at the same time as the menu
[20:37] <elfy> ali1234: yea - not right
[20:37] <McLovin> ahh, ok
[20:37] <elfy> Noskcaj: as far as I know this is all to do with the same issue
[20:37] <elfy> they certainly appeared at the same time and on the same image
[20:38] <Noskcaj> ok
[20:38] <elfy> ahah - latest image seems to have lost the menu issue
[20:39] <elfy> not looked since before 1000 this morning
[20:40] <ali1234> i just updated my trusty install and don't see it. i'm not curently testing isos though
[20:41] <ali1234> my custom settings menu still works fine too
[20:41] <elfy> might just be on iso's 
[20:41] <ali1234> the upstart idicator ting still isn't fixed :(
[20:41] <elfy> I tend to not use the dailies themselves other than to test - this install just get's updated as they roll in
[20:43] <elfy> brainwash: earlier when I was talking about the indicators - spoke about the power one - I was wrong I meant the session management one 
[20:45] <brainwash> elfy: the cog wheel?
[20:45] <elfy> yea
[20:45] <elfy> logout doesn't work for me from it
[20:46] <brainwash> I don't use that one
[20:46] <brainwash> but I will test it somewhat later
[20:46]  * elfy neither - but as I Was checking the others - I checked these too
[20:47] <brainwash> maybe you should list these indicator as optional ones
[20:47] <elfy> me?
[20:47] <brainwash> indicator-session -datetime -power
[20:47] <brainwash> yes, the wiki article
[20:48] <elfy> agenda?
[20:48] <Guest3932> ok, i got the live iso to boot
[20:48] <brainwash> gtk3 indicator article
[20:49] <elfy> would be better to discuss at a meeting and then list these things as optionals I think
[20:49] <brainwash> they bloat the panel and we don't intend to use them anyway
[20:49] <brainwash> right
[20:49] <elfy> there you go again - what's this 'we' - I've seen nothing at all anywhere about which we might or not be using
[20:50] <ali1234> agreed. the wiki page lists *all* of them
[20:50] <brainwash> uhm, the great xubuntu spirit :D
[20:50] <elfy> lol
[20:50] <elfy> well it needs to get off it's arse and mail the list then :p
[20:51] <brainwash> no one mentioned that we will switch to these specific indiactors
[20:51] <brainwash> so we keep the current panel setup
[20:51] <ali1234> well, it's not even in the main distro yet
[20:52] <brainwash> but we got a working PPA now at least
[20:52] <elfy> yep - step forward :)
[20:53] <brainwash> on top of that, with the patched indicator-sound-gtk2 for saucy we can now focus on trusty and gtk3 indi support
[20:54] <elfy> wb McLovin_ 
[20:54] <McLovin_> thank you
[20:54] <McLovin_> I got the new iso to boot, but all the fonts are messed up
[20:54] <Unit193> We still don't have indicator-sound-gtk2, is it stuck in upload queue?
[20:55] <elfy> McLovin_: bangladesh fonts? you need to set that at the login screen currently
[20:55] <McLovin_> some are normal and in plain english, others looked like they were arabic maybe?
[20:55] <McLovin_> yes, that would be it
[20:55] <elfy> yep - set that at the flag icon on login screen
[20:55] <McLovin_> ok, I must not have read everything like an idiot
[20:55] <elfy> :)
[20:56] <elfy> I've read them so often that my head is spinning at the moment
[20:56] <McLovin_> <-------------please excuse the noob
[20:56] <elfy> then I got a slightly different variation on that theme with the 32bit image - that went to xfce session regardless of what session I set 
[20:57] <brainwash> bug 1245585
[20:57] <brainwash> ^
[20:58] <McLovin_> ok, I'll work on that and other things in a little bit, like I said, I was at Dr and PT all day, so I'm kinda tired, and I need to eat something, so. I'll be back later most likely
[20:58] <McLovin_> ttyal
[21:09] <elfy> back tomorrow
[21:58] <ochosi> pmjdebruijn: i'm very interested in getting that in xfce at least in some optional way, but i'm not sure, when i last looked at it it seemed like a terrible amount of work (with stuff i have no clue about)
[22:01] <ochosi> pmjdebruijn: your article is really a nice read!
[22:06] <knome> ochosi, want to do a round of wallpaper stuff?
[22:06] <ochosi> yeah, could do
[22:07] <ochosi> last round before christmas
[22:07] <knome> if you say so ;)
[22:07] <ochosi> well yeah, actually after tday afternoon i'll be gone more or less until january
[22:07] <knome> ah
[22:07] <ochosi> lots of travelling and meeting family
[22:07] <knome> have fun then, and merry christmas and happy new year!
[22:07] <ochosi> almost every day in a different place...
[22:07] <ochosi> ty :)
[22:07] <knome> huhu
[22:07] <knome> that's sick
[22:07] <ochosi> well i'll be around *till* thursday
[22:08] <knome> but that's pretty much what my wife does with her 6 days off
[22:08] <ochosi> mhm
[22:08] <ochosi> well i don't have much choice
[22:08] <knome> same city though, so always gets home for the night
[22:08] <ochosi> anyhoo, wallpapers: i already talked to gridcube that his photos don't have enough resolution
[22:08] <ochosi> but he doesn't have them in a higher resolution
[22:08] <knome> did he submit some?
[22:09] <ochosi> so i'm wondering whether we should accept them because they're not getting in the set anyway...
[22:09] <knome> what's the resolution?
[22:10] <ochosi> 2048 x 1536
[22:11] <ochosi> our minimum in the guidelines is 2560 x 1600
[22:11] <knome> yep, i'm looking at that
[22:11] <knome> probably best to stick with the guidelines.
[22:12] <ochosi> yeah, if we already decide on a limit, it's kinda odd having to justify going for another limit later
[22:12] <ochosi> anyway, he understood when i pointed it out
[22:12] <knome> yes, and lookd dubious if we bend/change the rules for a team member
[22:13] <ochosi> yeah
[22:13] <ochosi> so i'll remove them with a note in the changelog
[22:13] <knome> i don't see them in submissions
[22:13] <knome> do i have something cached?
[22:13] <knome> oh, another alias
[22:14] <ochosi> sorry, they're already gone...
[22:14] <ochosi> you can go to the history
[22:14] <ochosi> i haven't removed the attachments yet
[22:14] <knome> i've seen them
[22:14] <knome> i was just wondering what photos were you talking about :)
[22:15] <ochosi> ah ok
[22:25] <ochosi> knome: ok, my part is done
[22:25] <knome> oki
[22:29] <knome> and done
[22:31] <ochosi> cool, ta
[22:32] <knome> np
[22:33] <sergiobenrocha2> hello
[22:34] <sergiobenrocha2> how can i assign 1 bug to xubuntu?
[22:35] <knome> what bug and why?
[22:35] <sergiobenrocha2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1216594
[22:35] <sergiobenrocha2> yes
[22:35] <sergiobenrocha2> it is
[22:37] <sergiobenrocha2> i don't understand very well... there is a lot of bug in xubuntu, but only 5 or 6 is assign to this page: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/309/builds
[22:38] <sergiobenrocha2> hum, it changed to 3
[22:41] <knome> those iso tests do not cover all the aspects of xubuntu
[22:41] <knome> packages.qa.ubuntu.com for more testing
[22:50] <sergiobenrocha2> humm, ok
[22:50] <sergiobenrocha2> if i tag "trusty" in launchpad, it assign to this page, if the package is in xubuntu/xfce ?
[22:57] <knome> no
[22:58] <knome> you will have to report a test result from the tracker for the bug to show up in that list
[22:58] <ochosi> pmjdebruijn: meh, i just get weird errors with dispcal (different I/O errors with the saucy version and your PPA, so it obviously doesn't like me)
[23:09] <sergiobenrocha2> i can reproduce Bug #1210898 
[23:09] <sergiobenrocha2> but i'm using the ppa's...
[23:11] <ochosi> yeah, looks like automount is borked
[23:13] <brainwash> shouldn't thunar-volman be the target package?
[23:14] <ochosi> yeah
[23:14] <ochosi> although it could also be a bug in thunar
[23:14] <ochosi> hard to say
[23:15] <brainwash> software, please stop breaking 
[23:16] <brainwash> :D
[23:17] <sergiobenrocha2> hehe
[23:17]  * ochosi waits to see whether that helps