[00:00] the keyboard shortcut to lock the screen should now work, also the menu entry [00:01] on top of that, light-locker will automatically lock the screen on suspend/hibernate [00:01] if triggered via session menu [00:02] ok [00:03] i had an issue to login in live cd [00:03] make sure that the light-locker process is running in the background, if you haven't restarted the session yet after installing light-locker [00:03] it prompt me to login window, it has um report bug, or no? [00:03] ah, sure about light locker. [00:04] i'm in live cd yet [00:05] there is an issue with login? [00:05] i think login in live CD has 3 issues. One i think it is reported [00:05] 3 o.o [00:05] yes, i have to type xubuntu to login [00:05] but, i had to try too the language (bangladesh to english) and the session, xfce to xubuntu [00:06] it's always a good idea to report bugs if you cannot find an existing report [00:06] well, i'm not sure if these are reported [00:06] let me find this [00:07] i don't undertand well this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1257372 [00:07] Ubuntu bug 1257372 in lightdm-gtk-greeter (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu/Lubuntu daily image does not lead to a working desktop in a live session" [High,Fix released] [00:07] this covers only the problem to go direct to desktop, is it true? [00:09] in saucy, the language problem is still there. If you do a logout and do login, typing xubuntu, the desktop will be a xfce session with bangladesh language [00:09] and it continues in trusty [00:09] so, i don't sure if this bug covers these issues [00:09] yes, I did encounter this problem too (saucy) [00:09] currently I'm trying to find the bug report :) [00:10] and i don't know what package is, this 2 issues, language and session type [00:11] the default, i think, should be "English" and "Xubuntu Session", not "Bangladesh" and "Xfce Session" [00:11] bug 1245585 [00:11] bug 1245585 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "LiveCD: wrong language selected by default on login screen" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1245585 [00:12] yes, cool, it is [00:12] it affects trusty too [00:13] hum, i forgot that i commented in this bug :D [00:14] but the package affected is not ubiquity [00:14] no? [00:14] well, i don't know. [00:14] read comment 5 [00:15] so as of now we don't know the cause of this problem [00:15] ok [00:16] so, probably it is the same issue for session type? [00:16] most likely yes [00:17] it looks like lightdm is simply falling back to the first entry in the menu [00:18] yes, bangladesh is the first language [00:18] because it is not able to query the correct default values of the live user [00:18] like comment 5 states, it's maybe a problem caused by accountsservice [00:19] the service which manages user settings like language, keyboard layout, background picture,.. [00:22] ok, thanks for all, i will try to install xubuntu here [00:23] glad you enjoy xubuntu :) [00:24] hum, alacarte will be substitute, i forgot the name... is there a ppa? or it is in repo? [00:25] menulibre [00:25] https://launchpad.net/~menulibre-dev/+archive/daily [00:26] ok, thanks [01:15] bluesabre: isn't menulibre in a massive state of flux at the moment? [02:14] forestpiskie, yea, that's one way to put it [02:14] cool, kendall made his way over to -devel :) [02:14] (one of my coworkers) [02:49] Hi all [04:43] forestpiskie, I expect to have menulibre at a much more stable state by the end of this or next week [04:44] I took all of next week off, so I should have a good opportunity to make tons of progress on each of my work items [04:50] forestpiskie, The issue with putting a full call for testing out yet is that the patch isn't finished. [04:50] ochosi, I am the packager, but all i know about systemd is it made a minor war in the debian community [04:57] I'll add dh_systemd in the next ppa upload, since it can't hurt. [05:29] forestpiskie: No. [05:35] dh_systemd won't help at all, btw. [07:30] morning. just set up my desktop system. [07:33] hi knome [07:33] hey forestpiskie :) [07:34] Noskcaj: okey doke [07:54] Unit193: thanks [07:56] ahh [07:56] much better today with the working room, but too bad i'm feeling a bit sick :( [07:56] :( [08:01] this user-session bug is a real pita [08:02] wha? :P [08:04] Got gilir online, fixed there. Went over some information from that though, default-session was what was in th email, but it didn't work. [08:06] I saw lubuntu was fixed [08:38] knome: can you look at this - adding menu test to software centre https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/USCedit [08:38] if you've not got time let me know and I'll hassle Nick [08:45] Unit193: this is nice - so 64bit - you can tell it to run xub session and change the language - do the same in the 32bit and it ignores what session you tell it [08:45] Well that's strange, I always cheated on that one though. [08:48] lol [09:02] elfy, Unit193: so we're still having problems with the dailys? [09:05] dailies/a1 [09:06] k [09:06] i thought Unit193 had proposed fixes for the login issues [09:06] ochosi: it's sitting there triaged [09:06] :( [09:07] so we need to put it in the sponsors queue? [09:07] I guess so - I don't really understand all that stuff :| though knome was pinging micah about it a couple of days ago [09:08] yeah, but micahg is busy most of the time, we should just always throw stuff at the sponsor's queue imo [09:09] if he gets to it earlier, fine, but that way things aren't in limbo forever [09:10] knome: what do you think? ^ [09:12] if the sponsors queue is what logically I think it is - then I'd +1 that [09:15] we used it a lot to get stuff into saucy [09:15] dholbach was one of the most frequent uploaders [09:15] :) [09:18] Unit193: bug 1261660 - I assume it's all related, but I reported it anyway [09:18] bug 1261660 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "User session fails to accept settings" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1261660 [09:19] ochosi: best thing for me to do with things like sponsors queue is just to +1 it if it's in the best interests of the team - but do nothing else in case I break it :p [09:30] ochosi, elfy: +1. [09:31] if you file the paperwork, i can ping people to look at it [09:32] well tbh Unit193 is on that bug, so i can't really file the paperwork [09:32] but i hope he can do it and get in touch with you [09:32] on that bug? what do you mean? [09:32] well the trusty login stuff [09:32] it's been ACK'd the branch is okay [09:32] and now it just need uploading [09:33] is there something blocking that i don't understand? [09:33] but it's not in the sponsor's queue yet, or is it? [09:33] no [09:33] but if you file the paperwork, eg. get it on the queue.. [09:33] moreover, for me it was about what we generally should do, not just this bug specifically [09:33] yep [09:34] i'm all +1 for the queue at least for now, until we have more packagers [09:34] desktop machine is so good [09:34] tbh i have no clue how to add stuff to the queue (and i don't know where the branch sits...) [09:34] lol [09:34] i'll paste you an url [09:34] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess [09:35] "Is on that bug" I'm a bug perhaps? What do you mean by this? [09:35] basically, file a bug; attach a patch, and subscribe ubuntu-sponsors [09:36] Unit193: i thought you were the one who proposed a branch with a fix? [09:37] That's all I've done, other than testing but that doesn't count. [09:37] i believe it was xnox who ack'd the branch is fine [09:37] k [09:38] basically, the message was: get it uploaded now [09:38] ;) [09:38] anyway, gotta do some work, bbabl [09:38] if you want, you can follow up on #ubuntu-quality [09:40] Also, it needs fixed "upstream", which is where I proposed it and only the two xubuntu devs can commit. [09:40] and anybody in ~ubuntu-dev [09:40] i guess. [09:41] ~ubuntu-core-dev is a member of ~xubuntu-dev [09:41] so that should work out as expected [09:41] again, if you do the paperwork, i'll get somebody to look at it.. [09:46] Heh, so "deadline" is the 19th. === zequence_ is now known as zequence [09:54] morning all [09:55] monring slickymaster [09:55] morning elfy [10:00] hey slickymaster [10:00] slickymaster, you pinged me earlier? [10:00] might have ... [10:00] lol [10:02] * slickymaster curses his internet connection [10:04] bbl [10:04] slickymaster, hullo [10:04] elfy, your branch is merged and in the tracker [10:04] morning knome [10:04] slickymaster, you pinged me? [10:05] knome: i see i have a lot of -doc related mails to catch up with ;) [10:05] sure, i had those too.. [10:05] yesterday, but it's resolved [10:05] okay, good [10:05] it was about merging the xfce4 panel test [10:12] :) [10:18] 64bit has been rebuilt apparently [10:18] knome: ty [10:18] knome: you done the tracker or shall I do that? [10:21] nvm - read the whole line now ... === xnox_ is now known as xnox [10:44] elfy, :) [10:46] damn internet connection [10:47] elfy, knome, if neither of you have any objections I'll assign my self to bug 1255805 to fix it [10:47] bug 1255805 in Ubuntu Manual Tests "Parole testcase instructions have a broken link" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1255805 [10:47] slickymaster, go ahead [11:27] elfy: did you already test Noskcaj's power manager PPA? [11:28] with this patched version Xubuntu does not immediately shut down when the power button is pressed [11:29] so the user is actually able to interact with shutdown dialog and decide what the system should do [11:29] works for me [11:31] also closing the lid should now perform the action set via the power manager settings window [11:31] bug 1222021 [11:32] bug 1222021 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "xfce4-power-manager does not inhibit systemd from handling buttons and lid events" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1222021 [11:38] brainwash: so lid stuff works? i still gotta test that in saucy [11:38] could not test it [11:38] (so far my system went to a zombie-like suspend state when i closed the lid too early when shutting down) [11:38] that's a different issue [11:38] are you sure? [11:39] yea, the shutdown process should not be interrupted [11:39] maybe I can find the bug report [11:40] bug 1211514 [11:40] bug 1211514 in systemd-shim (Ubuntu Saucy) "Shutdowns fail to finish if laptop lid is closed before completely shutdown" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1211514 [11:41] fixed in trusty :) [11:41] sweet! [11:44] nice [11:47] hope they'll fix it in saucy too [11:47] elfy: ping me when you can. There's something I'd like to discuss with you about http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/306/builds/55995/testcases/1569/results [11:47] oh [11:47] ochosi: package is already in proposed [11:47] they did in proposed [11:47] yeah, just noticed [11:48] regarding the new abiword ruler glitch, overlay-scrollbar actually prevents the top ruler from breaking [11:49] but the ruler on the left side breaks partially after scrolling [11:50] great :/ [11:50] so it's not Xubuntu specific :) [11:50] yeah [11:50] that's the good side [11:50] means i don't have to dig into the theming code once again [11:50] * ochosi remembers the horror of reading the abiword source a few months ago [11:52] maybe it gets fixed at some point during the normal dev cycle of abitword [11:52] abiword [11:53] yup, let's just hope that [12:47] ochosi: bug 1261372 [12:47] bug 1261372 in thunar (Ubuntu) "Tabs are unintuitive" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1261372 [12:48] maybe it could be improved via theme changes? [12:49] brainwash: it could, but tabs look the same everywhere and i don't wanna break the consistency [12:49] http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-12172013-014935pm.php [12:49] so fix it everywhere? [12:49] imho it's not that hard to see [12:50] or instead, mark it as wontfix [12:50] for older people it is [12:51] so a change to improve the contrast is unlikely? [12:52] i wouldn't recommend our theme to old people or people with bad sight by default, better to use a highcontrast theme instead [12:52] ok [12:52] we've had many issues like this one before, to be frank [12:53] but increasing the contrast everywhere to account for ppl with bad sight makes things sometimes worse to use for ppl with good eyesight [12:53] so it's a question of balance imo [12:53] well, we also have a 1px window border :D [12:53] not easy to resize the window via mouse [12:54] brainwash, alt-right-click-drag [12:54] yeah, I was thinking about the possibility to make xubuntu a bit easier to use for most people [12:54] knome: yeah, hardly anyone uses this method [12:55] well that's a harsh assumption [12:55] it's my observation [12:55] from a group of how many people? [12:55] i mean, [12:55] like.. 10 at max [12:55] brainwash: we actually have a 2px border [12:55] =S [12:55] i don't necessarily disagree on how used that is [12:56] but i do think we should rather make people be aware of taht [12:56] that [12:56] than changing our theming because of that issue [12:56] yes, it's a never ending story anyway [12:58] in a way, yes. but it really isn't hard to use a different theme [12:58] ;) [12:59] what about making the font bold in the active tab? [12:59] ...or a different way to resize the window [12:59] :) [12:59] brainwash: well, in this case gtk2 is the limit... in gtk3 i could probably do that [12:59] ochosi, ^ wouldn't that lead to tabs "nudging" ? [12:59] yeah, and it could lead to that [12:59] but as i can't even do it, i can't test it now :) [12:59] (our theme would look different anyway if we weren't restricted by gtk2) [13:00] more awesome? [13:04] i guess i'll take that as a compliment, and yes, in some areas, certainly more awesome [13:07] (fwiw, tabs would be one of those areas) [13:14] i'm going to fix the 1px border thing in xfwm [13:14] but after christmas [13:14] we should be able to have 0px borders... and still resize the windows [13:14] awwh, no nice christmas present from ali1234 ;( [13:14] ali1234, btw, why 1234? [13:14] ali123 was taken [13:14] why 123? [13:15] same [13:15] lol [13:15] why not non-ali? [13:16] i don't want to come up with a new name [13:16] lol [13:16] alib [13:16] or a_lib :P [13:16] or ali5n [13:16] or alib4n [13:17] wait, that's a bit close to taliban [13:17] alibxn [13:17] ! [13:23] !enter | knome [13:23] knome: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line. Don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation! [13:23] GridCube, they weren't either questions or responses ;) [13:23] XD [13:24] probably !flood then P: [13:24] ha [14:51] knome: if you're around, please merge https://code.launchpad.net/~slickymaster/ubuntu-manual-tests/ubuntu-manual-tests/+merge/199280 and update the tracker [15:09] bbl [18:14] hi folks [18:14] "bigger" desktops (like GNOME/KDE) are now integrating color management configuration etc [18:14] this is still missing for XFCE (and thus Xubuntu), while I agree it an argument on itself, whether xfce/xubuntu should ever go there, "feature bloat" [18:15] I did a writeup, how color management can be configured right now on current xubuntu [18:15] https://encrypted.pcode.nl/blog/2013/11/24/display-color-profiling-on-linux/ [18:17] I guess this is more of a FYI, if you ever come across users asking about this kinda thing, you know where to point them :) [18:56] meeting time soon [18:57] wut? [18:57] oh wait [18:57] haha [18:57] no... [18:57] nvm [18:57] i'm off [18:57] 48 hours maybe :p [18:57] yep :P [19:00] elfy: please test https://launchpad.net/~noskcaj/+archive/power-manager-systemd [19:12] So trusty finally broke on my pc [19:16] Noskcaj: power-manager-systemd prevents systemd from shutting down immediately, so I was able to interact with the shutdown dialog :) [19:16] could not test lid events [19:17] oh, talking about power button event [19:19] Let me know if there's any fixes you want to add. I'll try and work on the autoreconf error when i get my laptop re-installed [19:20] I guess with the now included patches the systemd support should be complete [19:21] just an upgrade required? [19:22] seems not - nothing shows up after grabbing that ppa and updating [19:22] trusty, right? [19:23] yea - what package is supposed to update with it? [19:23] d-bus? [19:23] xfce4-power-manager and xfce4-power-manager-data [19:23] nvm - stupid software updater failing again :D [19:24] got all sorts itr seems gnumeric and nvidia ... [19:24] apt should grab the version provided by the PPA [19:25] well, check "apt-cache policy xfce4-power-manager" [19:25] so this should deal with the pressing power button and wishing I'd not issue I believe [19:26] yes [19:26] it works for me now [19:26] needs reboot ? [19:26] relog [19:26] ok - I'll reboot and check the nvidia I think [19:27] hopefully I does not break your system :D [19:27] uhm "it does not.." [19:27] that makes more sense [19:39] ok - so press power button - logs out the machine [19:39] brainwash Noskcaj ^^ [19:39] no idea if I've edited any files - but power manager has Ask for power button press [19:40] that is strange [19:41] was there an upstart file we were editing at some point with this issue? [19:41] the logind.conf file [19:42] /etc/systemd/logind.conf [19:42] don't remember doing anything with that one here [19:42] but the patched version of xfce power manager should now prevent systemd from performing any action [19:42] do you see the shutdown dialog for a brief moment? [19:43] bash history shows me doing something with logind.conf [19:43] really should back these things up ... [19:43] I'll look tomorrow on a clean install [19:44] you should also take a look at all the log files [19:44] off to fight nvidia now [19:44] ok :) [19:44] cya [19:45] last time it took me a while to track down what was still blacklisting nouveau - should be easier this time :p [19:45] hello all [19:47] is there something wrong with the server? my connection to this channel only seems to be down [19:47] doesn't look like there is problems [19:47] and yeah.. the dev meeting is on thursday [19:47] you got me ;) [19:49] well, I'm showing a .1-.3 connection lag [19:49] that isn't much though [19:49] but only on this channel [19:49] the rest it's 0.0 or 0.1 [19:50] then again, I am insane [19:51] so, 1st time joining, and I'm guessing noone has any issues to talk about? [19:52] we aren't always flooding the channel, yeah ;) [19:53] ok - so that's been fun [19:53] ok, well how about this, anyone else have any issues with booting from live USB key? [19:53] on the 14.04 alpha I mean [19:53] McLovin, you should talk with elfy, he's our QA lead [19:53] so he should know.. [19:54] ok, elfy have you seen that issue at all? [19:54] brainwash Noskcaj - action buttons - shutdown/restart works fine - indicator-power I assume - same behaviour [19:54] elfy: Grabbing the i386 to see if I get it as well. [19:55] logout fails from indicator-power but works from action buttons [19:55] power press button - shutsdown the machine [19:56] McLovin: sorry - was in the middle of shouting at the machine here :p [19:56] has anyone else have any issues with booting from live USB key? [19:56] so what issue are you talking about? [19:56] I missed all of what you said previously [19:57] I DD'd the alpha iso to a usb key, and when I tried to boot it, it gave me a blue screen with a black box, and the whole screen just was blinking rapidly [19:57] brainwash Noskcaj so - it seems I've an issue here still [19:57] McLovin: not seen nor heard that one lately [19:58] 32bit or 64bit [19:58] I'm gonna download another copy of the iso, dbl check the md5 and make sure all is good, and try again with a different usb key [19:58] I run 64bit [19:58] I tend to use unetbootin - not really ever bothered with dd for it [19:59] McLovin: well - have you checked the md5 against what you do have - that said the image was rebuilt earlier today [19:59] I got the image yesterday morning [19:59] my time [19:59] McLovin: Could use rsync or zsync to use part of the iso you already have. [20:00] right - been a rebuild since then - 10:07UTC today [20:00] Unit193: +1 to that [20:00] elfy: indicator-power is a different story and not being used by xubuntu (as of now) [20:00] I have stupid fast cpnnection speeds, so dling a new iso only takes about 45 seconds [20:00] i used to have a stupidly fast connection speed :( [20:01] ochosi: ok - so 2 days of nvidia and no return to that xchat issue - reinstalled nouveau tonight - waiting game [20:01] McLovin: wow. It just took me an hour [20:01] lderan: then the speed caught up with the accent? [20:01] McLovin: Hah, nice! [20:01] Is that a university internet or do you just live in the right place? [20:01] elfy, yup :P [20:01] elfy: pressing the power button should perform the action specified via the xfce power manager, same for closing the (laptop) lid [20:01] lderan: forever tarred with the Carrot badge :D [20:01] I pay a high price for my connection [20:01] and I live in the right area [20:02] /rename-channel #xubuntu-offtopic [20:02] elfy: bug 1222021 [20:02] bug 1222021 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "xfce4-power-manager does not inhibit systemd from handling buttons and lid events" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1222021 [20:02] brainwash: I assumed so - it's not though ;) [20:02] I have 80mb/s connection [20:02] McLovin: 100mbps in the nearest town to where i am [20:02] elfy: you should add a comment to the bug report then [20:02] and indicator-power is not going to be a default xubuntu one ? [20:03] where's it say that? [20:03] we got the xfce-power-manager tray icon [20:04] version 20131217? [20:04] iso version I'm talking about [20:04] McLovin: 2 secs [20:04] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/20131217/trusty-desktop-amd64.iso [20:04] looks to be the one you're looking at [20:05] yup yup [20:05] brainwash: I'll remove power from the wiki then [20:05] Additional benefit of zsync is that it has the shasum embedded and checks it. [20:05] elfy: nah, it can be tested [20:06] elfy: same for the session and date&time indicator [20:06]