| * apachelogger blinks at Riddell | 00:18 | |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: that's cos 4.12 is first | 00:32 |
|---|---|---|
| * Riddell bats eyelids at apachelogger | 00:32 | |
| apachelogger | I thought .12 aint gonna make alpha1? | 00:33 |
| shadeslayer | think again *presses red button of doom* | 00:33 |
| apachelogger | ohhohohohohohho | 00:33 |
| apachelogger | problem | 00:33 |
| apachelogger | rekonq bookmarksies don't get imported into fireringdingding it seems | 00:34 |
| shadeslayer | Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo | 00:34 |
| apachelogger | not sure how to make that happen | 00:36 |
| ahoneybun_ | ping valorie | 00:37 |
| apachelogger | 'Ubuntu 13.10 should be upgraded to LTS status' | 00:38 |
| apachelogger | lawl | 00:38 |
| === rdieter_work is now known as rdieter | ||
| valorie | hi ahoneybun_ | 02:50 |
| valorie | jussi: I've heard a person on #kubuntu asking where our merch is on the website | 02:52 |
| valorie | so perhaps whip up a link on the main page this time? | 02:53 |
| valorie | Riddell: got my cards! | 02:53 |
| valorie | \o/ | 02:53 |
| valorie | thank you | 02:53 |
| ahoneybun | valorie: ping | 03:06 |
| valorie | o/ | 03:07 |
| valorie | I said hello earlier, but you must have pinged out | 03:07 |
| valorie | you sounded pretty happy last night! | 03:08 |
| ahoneybun | Yea away and did not mark away | 03:08 |
| ahoneybun | But of course | 03:08 |
| ahoneybun | You got us a space on user base | 03:08 |
| valorie | once we got a few pages the way we want them, I'll write to the translators | 03:08 |
| valorie | so once you take off the "under construction" thingie | 03:09 |
| valorie | then the tools auto-mark it ready for translation | 03:09 |
| ahoneybun | I got the welcome main and basic pages over | 03:09 |
| ahoneybun | Also made a card on trello | 03:09 |
| valorie | awesome | 03:09 |
| ahoneybun | Userbase.KDE.org/kubuntu | 03:10 |
| ahoneybun | Yep | 03:11 |
| ahoneybun | Amazing this mediawiki | 03:11 |
| valorie | when I click the basic link, I get to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Basic | 03:11 |
| valorie | it really is awesome, yes | 03:12 |
| ahoneybun | Got to fix then links | 03:12 |
| valorie | Welcome too | 03:12 |
| ahoneybun | Yea | 03:12 |
| valorie | ok, as long as you know | 03:13 |
| ahoneybun | Yea | 03:13 |
| ahoneybun | Thanks | 03:13 |
| ahoneybun | But amazing work valorie | 03:13 |
| ahoneybun | Getting us a spot | 03:13 |
| valorie | that was fun | 03:14 |
| valorie | getting us connected feels great | 03:14 |
| ahoneybun | Yea we are all a whole | 03:14 |
| valorie | I agree | 03:15 |
| ahoneybun | Brb | 03:15 |
| valorie | and it's good for everyone here to get used to working directly with KDE | 03:15 |
| ahoneybun | Media wiki is much more powerful | 03:18 |
| ahoneybun | But not too much of a stretch for new comers | 03:19 |
| ahoneybun_ | mediawiki and moinmoin share somethings in common | 04:03 |
| valorie | sure, both wikis, but beyond that? | 04:13 |
| ahoneybun_ | valorie: beyond? | 04:25 |
| valorie | sec | 04:26 |
| manchicken | apachelogger: JonT came and saved the day on that apt-pkg deprecation warning. | 04:31 |
| ahoneybun_ | g2g | 04:31 |
| manchicken | I've gotten that out and I now have no warnings in libqapt with my changes. | 04:32 |
| frank1 | who knows how to get wifi working for hp f4500? | 04:43 |
| valorie | frank1: sorry, support is in #kubuntu | 04:44 |
| valorie | manchicken: awesome | 04:45 |
| valorie | so have you submitted it to reviewboard yet? | 04:45 |
| manchicken | Still running through tests. | 04:47 |
| manchicken | I'm wondering if anybody's going to have time to help test it. | 04:48 |
| valorie | you are being very thorough | 04:48 |
| manchicken | Yeah, I submitted many of my changes before to apachelogger just to find out that I completely failed to see something. Just learning from my mistakes :) | 04:53 |
| manchicken | C++ is my weakest language, and I'm not going to get better by making the same mistakes again and again :) | 04:53 |
| valorie | heh | 05:04 |
| manchicken | krazy2 has found a bunch of stuff in libqapt. | 05:37 |
| manchicken | Most of it was there when I got there, I'm trying to decide whether or not I need to fix the issues since they're legacy. | 05:37 |
| manchicken | I got the QPointers bit in for modal dialogs opened via exec(), that seemed like an important one. | 05:41 |
| wifistinks | hello??? | 06:35 |
| lordievader | Good morning. | 08:26 |
| prem_ | hi | 08:30 |
| lordievader | Hey prem_ | 08:30 |
| prem_ | how much ram is reqd. to install kubuntu | 08:30 |
| prem_ | 64 biy | 08:30 |
| prem_ | 64 bit | 08:31 |
| lordievader | prem_: User support is in #kubuntu. | 08:31 |
| prem_ | oh.. | 08:31 |
| lordievader | prem_: This tells me 1GB is recommended: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kubuntu#System_requirements | 08:32 |
| prem_ | thanks but i was looking for 64 bit distribution because for ubuntu 64 bit requires minimum of 2gb ram | 08:33 |
| lordievader | prem_: Sounds reasonable. The bare minimum is probably somewhere around there, 1~2Gb of ram. But please join #kubuntu for support, I'm in there too ;) | 08:36 |
| === schmidtm_ is now known as schmidtm | ||
| waliarubal | can anyone tell me advantages over standard ubuntu? | 09:25 |
| waliarubal | anyone? | 09:26 |
| waliarubal | I am pretty bored from Ubuntu now and need a change in distro. | 09:26 |
| waliarubal | no one can answer my question? :( | 09:27 |
| tsimpson | KDE SC, that's an advantage in itself | 09:27 |
| waliarubal | tahnks simpson. can u please tell me something about KDE SC and its advantages? please | 09:29 |
| tsimpson | is a different UI and is generally more configurable than most other desktop environments | 09:29 |
| tsimpson | it looks nice too | 09:30 |
| lordievader | For me the biggest advantage is that I can find things. Unity seems to hide a lot of things. | 09:30 |
| waliarubal | sounds good, actually I have a dual monitor coniguration and I am also a gamer. | 09:30 |
| waliarubal | Yes, unity hides a lot... twisted part by canonical. :( | 09:31 |
| waliarubal | I generally game, program and watch movies. that's what I do. earlier I used to be windows user, but now I use Linux because of freedom. | 09:31 |
| waliarubal | I guess KDE has looks like windows also? | 09:32 |
| tsimpson | it can look like whatever you want, but its default look is not dissimilar to how windows looked before they went all metro | 09:33 |
| waliarubal | sounds good, maybe I shall switch to it. | 09:34 |
| waliarubal | Thanks a lot simpsons and dievader. | 09:34 |
| waliarubal | can you guys help me with a problem too? actually I have Canon LBP3000 printer and I can't make it work under linux. It worked perfect under windows. | 09:35 |
| waliarubal | Canon support is worst.. they haven't answered any questions. maybe you geeks can help.??? | 09:36 |
| waliarubal | anyone of you GEEKS.... help??? | 09:37 |
| lordievader | waliarubal: Kubuntu support is in #kubuntu. Canon isn't know for their Linux support I'm afraid. | 09:37 |
| waliarubal | sounds bad... but I just can't throw away my piece of hardware. any help will be appreciated. | 09:38 |
| waliarubal | Maybe I will setup KUbuntu today, in that also I will need printer installation. | 09:38 |
| lordievader | waliarubal: Join #kubuntu ;) | 09:38 |
| waliarubal | Ya, I will install K ubuntu today. | 09:39 |
| waliarubal | so now I expect help from u guys on my printer installation. :) | 09:40 |
| lordievader | waliarubal: Like I said, join the channel #kubuntu for support. This is not a support channel. | 09:41 |
| waliarubal | Thanks vader. much appreciated. | 09:42 |
| waliarubal | bby, thanks all for ur time. :D | 09:42 |
| apachelogger | yofel: piiiiiing | 09:56 |
| apachelogger | yofel: kf5 is now split... so I started wondering ... why exactly does each neon branch have the full debian/ shebang | 09:57 |
| apachelogger | oh wait, launchpad can't do tempalte processing | 09:58 |
| * apachelogger rolls eyes | 09:58 | |
| apachelogger | yofel: different question ... what do you think about moving the 3000 new repositories to builder and use *one* template debian/ to create them | 09:59 |
| yofel | what do you mean? In neon4, we had a 'dummy-ubuntu' branch that we took for each package and simply regex replaced the new package names to have a new packaging branch | 10:00 |
| yofel | neon5 had that too IIRC | 10:00 |
| apachelogger | right but you still had 3000 branches with packging | 10:00 |
| apachelogger | what I am proposing is something like kde-l10n-common | 10:00 |
| yofel | that needs non-launchpad pre-processing which we couldn't do back then | 10:01 |
| apachelogger | one branch that is regex-subbed at build time to the actual package | 10:01 |
| apachelogger | yofel: yeah, so what do you think about doin git now xD | 10:01 |
| apachelogger | because to me maintaining 30000 former kdelibs packages/branches/projects seems like a major hassle | 10:01 |
| yofel | just so I understand this right, you essentially want to deprecate the branches *and* the recipes? | 10:04 |
| apachelogger | I want to deprecate launchpad really :P | 10:05 |
| yofel | well, sure, we can do this all by ourselves, if you go and provide the infrastructure | 10:05 |
| apachelogger | already there :P | 10:05 |
| apachelogger | it's just very much hand crafted towards neon | 10:06 |
| apachelogger | which ain't a bad thing, just saying ;) | 10:06 |
| yofel | well, I don't really care what builds the packages and how they get to the PPA really, as long as there's a way to edit it and run it manually | 10:07 |
| apachelogger | right | 10:08 |
| apachelogger | there has been talk of a general purpose build infrastructure btw | 10:08 |
| yofel | anyone else getting http://paste.kde.org/p32313f5e when trying to open a mail print preview in kmail? | 10:49 |
| Riddell | jose: how's the feature tour? | 10:55 |
| apachelogger | yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6593706/ | 11:31 |
| Peace- | Riddell: btw do you know how to start a nested session of plasma-desktop ? this doesn't work :S Xephyr :1 -screen 1280x800 & sleep 3 && export DISPLAY=:1 && plasma-desktop | 11:41 |
| Peace- | with plasma-netbook instead works | 11:41 |
| BluesKaj | 'Morning all | 12:13 |
| Riddell | !testers | alpha 1 candidates need testing | 14:24 |
| ubottu | alpha 1 candidates need testing: Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56, parad1se for information | 14:24 |
| shadeslayer | will have a look | 14:25 |
| BluesKaj | Riddell, alpha 1 is out today ? thought tomorrow was the release day. | 14:26 |
| soee | :O | 14:26 |
| soee | i shall test it later at home after gym | 14:26 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: might be useful to have muon on the CD btw | 14:42 |
| shadeslayer | unless muon-updater works, in which case, it's fine | 14:42 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: link to CD's missing :) | 14:43 |
| BluesKaj | no alpha images available in https://wiki.kubuntu.org/TrustyTahr/Alpha1/Kubuntu | 14:46 |
| soee | smartboyhw is on the testers list but isnt he inactive since unknown date? | 14:46 |
| soee | *till | 14:46 |
| soee | as he studing hard ? :) | 14:46 |
| shadeslayer | http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/309/builds/59389/downloads | 14:47 |
| shadeslayer | http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/modules/qatracker/misc/cdrom.png | 14:47 |
| shadeslayer | http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/309/builds/59391/downloads | 14:47 |
| Riddell | BluesKaj: needs testing | 14:50 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: do you think muon-updater isn't working? | 14:51 |
| shadeslayer | It wasn't working on Netrunner Saucy | 14:51 |
| shadeslayer | and it had muon from Ubuntu archives | 14:51 |
| Riddell | didn't we fix the problems with muon? | 14:51 |
| Riddell | we did a load of post-release fixes | 14:51 |
| shadeslayer | plz check if muon-updater works in Trusty | 14:51 |
| shadeslayer | I can't because I've screwed up my muon install somehow | 14:52 |
| === vHanda_ is now known as vHanda | ||
| BluesKaj | muon-updater works here shadeslayer, Riddell, says trusty system is up to date | 15:00 |
| shadeslayer | okay then | 15:00 |
| shadeslayer | idk why, but it didn't work on a derivative | 15:00 |
| * shadeslayer needs to SRU | 15:00 | |
| Riddell | yeah we had that bug at release | 15:01 |
| Riddell | but (I hope) we fixed it as an SRU | 15:01 |
| BluesKaj | shadeslayer, netrunner doesn't use all the same repos as kubuntu , it restricts a few , but i can't recall which ones | 15:01 |
| shadeslayer | BluesKaj: it was a bug in muon | 15:02 |
| shadeslayer | which Aleix fixed | 15:02 |
| BluesKaj | shadeslayer, does the first url you posted above contain the alpha-1 image ? | 15:06 |
| shadeslayer | BluesKaj: yes | 15:06 |
| BluesKaj | shadeslayer, ok thanks | 15:06 |
| * BluesKaj wonders how different it is than yesterday's daily build | 15:08 | |
| ahoneybun | valorie: ping | 15:24 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: Riddell muon in saucy-proposed | 15:25 |
| shadeslayer | bug 1261812 | 15:25 |
| ubottu | bug 1261812 in muon (Ubuntu Saucy) "Please update muon to 2.1.2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1261812 | 15:25 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: installer keeps throwing up errors | 15:56 |
| shadeslayer | and crashed | 15:56 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: err | 16:12 |
| Riddell | what sort of errors? | 16:12 |
| apachelogger | hm | 16:15 |
| apachelogger | xnox: I think your cmake upload broke something | 16:16 |
| apachelogger | xnox: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/160121636/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-i386.project-neon5-dbusmenu-qt_0.0%2Bbzr20131218%2Br255%2Bneon20~ubuntu14.04.1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 16:16 |
| apachelogger | happens with every package apparently | 16:17 |
| apachelogger | kdelibs for example https://launchpadlibrarian.net/159748514/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-amd64.project-neon5-kdelibs_0.0%2Bgit20131214%2Br97583~de0aa0b%2Bneon12~ubuntu14.04.1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 16:17 |
| xnox | apachelogger: possible. | 16:17 |
| xnox | apachelogger: can you point me to the actual source/build-record instead of the logs? | 16:18 |
| xnox | apachelogger: there is no way to go from the build-log back to the actual build-record. | 16:18 |
| xnox | apachelogger: can you open about against cmake with links to source-package builds and assign it to me? | 16:18 |
| apachelogger | can do | 16:19 |
| apachelogger | https://code.launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/kf5/+build/5362429 | 16:19 |
| apachelogger | also happens regardless of architecture | 16:19 |
| xnox | apachelogger: do you also have a link to a previously working build for comparison what's "good" ? such that I don't hunt red-herrings | 16:20 |
| apachelogger | xnox: https://code.launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/kf5/+build/5323961 | 16:20 |
| apachelogger | oh wait, that';s saucy | 16:21 |
| apachelogger | xnox: https://code.launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/kf5/+build/5323959 | 16:21 |
| apachelogger | this one is trusty ^^ | 16:21 |
| Riddell | running archive-upload script for 4.12.0 to trusty | 16:22 |
| xnox | apachelogger: could it be just new cmake upstream release regression though? i'll try with my patches reversed. | 16:22 |
| apachelogger | xnox: possible but unlikely, agateau has the same version (built from source) and cannot reproduce the issue | 16:23 |
| xnox | ack. | 16:23 |
| apachelogger | bug 1262273 | 16:24 |
| ubottu | bug 1262273 in cmake (Ubuntu) "2.8.12.1-1ubuntu2 broke automoc" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1262273 | 16:24 |
| apachelogger | agateau: ^ in case you want to subscribe as well | 16:24 |
| xnox | apachelogger: does project neon builds it's own qt5? | 16:25 |
| xnox | apachelogger: and is it multiarched like the stock qt5 in ubuntu? | 16:25 |
| manchicken | apachelogger: Should I fix all of the krazy2 findings in libqapt, you think? | 16:26 |
| xnox | apachelogger: cause in my tool chain I set an explicit path to qt5::moc | 16:26 |
| agateau | apachelogger: does the cmake package has any patch? | 16:26 |
| xnox | apachelogger: is proejct-neon-qt5 multiarched? | 16:26 |
| xnox | apachelogger: if it isn't you are really ought to build project-neon-cmake, as cmake package in the distribution has been tailor specifically to the qt5 package as shipped in ubuntu. | 16:27 |
| apachelogger | hm | 16:28 |
| xnox | apachelogger: i think there are variables that you can export to make it act more like stock "cmake", i've made sure there is a fallback, but it's rather "opt-out" kind of thing as by default i enabled cross-compilation without modifying all sources. | 16:28 |
| apachelogger | that's a bug | 16:28 |
| * apachelogger puts on his kde developer hat | 16:28 | |
| xnox | apachelogger: what is the full path to "moc" in qt5? as in not the qtchooser one. | 16:28 |
| * xnox adjusts my kubuntu-developer badge | 16:28 | |
| apachelogger | when working on kde libraries I often want to have my own qt build, this is not working properly on ubuntu :P | 16:29 |
| apachelogger | xnox: /opt/project-neon5/bin/moc | 16:29 |
| apachelogger | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6595065/ | 16:30 |
| * xnox points out, that the correct interface, is to explicitely set QT5::moc in that case, in your toolchain file used for custom/prefix installed system libraries, as advised by CMake. | 16:30 | |
| xnox | apachelogger: you are pointing to the last resort path. in cmake there is Qt5::moc already set to a different location. | 16:31 |
| apachelogger | Oo | 16:31 |
| xnox | (as in the code path before that paste) | 16:31 |
| apachelogger | why? | 16:31 |
| * apachelogger fails to compute this just now xD | 16:31 | |
| xnox | apachelogger: because the one generated at qt5 package build-time is always wrong for the cross-compile case on Debian OS. | 16:32 |
| apachelogger | I think the solution is to fix the qt5 cmake config, not hardcode stuff into cmake? | 16:32 |
| xnox | apachelogger: thus, it's adjusted to the right one. Which is also, a wild guess, if you don't happen to use stock-cmake with stock-qt5. Both of them are failing to guess it at all times. | 16:32 |
| xnox | i can guard my changes better, but your are exploiting implementation details of cmake here. | 16:33 |
| xnox | and it's sad to see that project-neon is diverging so much. | 16:33 |
| apachelogger | it's exploiting the fact that cmake is not supposed to hardcode stuff :P | 16:34 |
| apachelogger | as for neon diverging ... ultimately (in my dreams) I'd like to have it running on actual production packaging | 16:34 |
| xnox | apachelogger: wrong. in CMake one should use a Toolchain file for any non-standard locations. Actual modules are, last fallback, not the first look up. | 16:35 |
| apachelogger | so you have a rolling packaging so to speak and at release time you simply branch the latest version and have your ready to go release packaging | 16:35 |
| xnox | apachelogger: if toolchain file sets all variables, none of the Find* foo modules are loaded, nor executed. | 16:35 |
| xnox | apachelogger: please start using multiarch qt5 packaging then. | 16:35 |
| apachelogger | I'll put it on my todo | 16:36 |
| xnox | cause at the moment one can co-install qt5:i386 and qt5:amd64 which doesn't look possible with project-neon at all. | 16:36 |
| xnox | apachelogger: when you'll do that, you will find your automoc broken, fyi ;-) | 16:37 |
| xnox | apachelogger: what's your pkg-config? what's your location of .pc files? this should be passed to CMake via Toolchain file! | 16:40 |
| apachelogger | export PKG_CONFIG_PATH := $(NEONDIR)/lib/pkgconfig:$(NEONDIR)/lib/$(DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH)/pkgconfig:$(PKG_CONFIG_PATH) | 16:42 |
| apachelogger | xnox: build foo is here http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~neon/project-neon5/project-neon5-runtime/view/head:/opt/project-neon5/share/pkg-project-neon5/0/default-settings.mk | 16:42 |
| xnox | apachelogger: cmake_defaults and all the LD_LIBRARY_PATH, PKG_CONFIG_PATH, QT_PLUGIN_PATH, QML2_IMPORT_PATH, are ought to live in a Toolchain file which is passed to CMake by default. | 16:43 |
| xnox | apachelogger: anything else is fragile, and is free to be changed by CMake both upstream and distribution. | 16:44 |
| xnox | apachelogger: a Toolchain file is the only contract-based interface to guarantee correct and expected compilation in CMake. | 16:44 |
| apachelogger | xnox: you should probably raise that at kde-buildsystem@kde.org because that is the actuall way they expect things to be done | 16:45 |
| xnox | apachelogger: Anybody who uses CMake and does reproducible builds is using Toolchain files (to e.g. enforce compiler versions / editions / pick this or that) it's pretty standard. | 16:47 |
| xnox | apachelogger: it's not my problem at all, that project-neon builds chooses to have non-deterministic builds. | 16:47 |
| apachelogger | ok | 16:47 |
| xnox | apachelogger: CMake upstream, and Qt upstream, and KDE upstream all support deterministic builds, for a given environment. | 16:48 |
| xnox | apachelogger: the one who picks the environment must provide a matching toolchain file to make it deterministic. | 16:48 |
| xnox | apachelogger: i took special care to honor and not break any existing users of toolchain files =/ | 16:51 |
| xnox | apachelogger: this is very low priority, as it doesn't actually affect any packages build for the distribution, by the distribution provided sources. | 16:51 |
| xnox | apachelogger: don't get me wrong, it's "incompatability" between the two and all 4 parties can claim it's a bug in the other three. (parties being: upstreams qt, cmake, kde, ubuntu) | 16:53 |
| xnox | that's what toolchain files are for, to assert ones expectations. | 16:53 |
| lordievader | ahoneybun_: Ping | 16:58 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: couldn't find errors in syslog | 16:59 |
| shadeslayer | so I restarted and it works now | 16:59 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: what works? | 17:00 |
| shadeslayer | the installer | 17:00 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: you started a fresh install and it completed without complaining? | 17:00 |
| shadeslayer | well, it's at 93% | 17:04 |
| Riddell | kdeframeworks is split! | 17:06 |
| Riddell | now where do we have qt5 5.2 packages so I can try and build something? | 17:06 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: kwalletd doesn't run here on the live cd | 17:12 |
| apachelogger | that's intentional I think | 17:15 |
| apachelogger | we casper that away | 17:15 |
| apachelogger | manchicken: judgement call, technically yes tho | 17:15 |
| apachelogger | sometimes excluding a check may be more appropriate though | 17:16 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: causes issues when trying to add a ktp account | 17:16 |
| apachelogger | http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Code_Checking#In-Code_directives | 17:16 |
| shadeslayer | why do we casper it away | 17:16 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: I do not know | 17:16 |
| apachelogger | mem consumption and stuff | 17:16 |
| apachelogger | and you'd get a popup to create a wallet in the past | 17:16 |
| shadeslayer | what is this, the 90's | 17:16 |
| apachelogger | tho it's le unnecessary | 17:16 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: yes, apparently people still bother with 1gib ram :P | 17:17 |
| apachelogger | or so my inbox says | 17:17 |
| shadeslayer | xD | 17:17 |
| shadeslayer | Since afiestas is writing us PAM integration, it won't be necessary at some point I think | 17:17 |
| shadeslayer | oh what fun : http://i.imgur.com/AznluXM.png | 17:31 |
| apachelogger | stop having fun and get some work done :@ | 17:32 |
| apachelogger | that looks excitingly broken | 17:32 |
| shadeslayer | I think the video driver is broken | 17:32 |
| shadeslayer | not KDE's fault ( it's using nouveau ) | 17:32 |
| shadeslayer | seeing such artifacts all over the place | 17:33 |
| Riddell | woo, karchive from kf5 is looking good | 17:40 |
| manchicken_ | I think I'm going to ignore the pre-existing d-pointer issues in a couple of the classes, but I'll update the explicit constructors. | 17:47 |
| manchicken_ | The d-pointer stuff seems like it'll be a much larger risk in the change. | 17:48 |
| apachelogger | mind the binary compatibility | 17:48 |
| manchicken_ | Isn't explicit just a compile-time check? | 17:50 |
| shadeslayer | manchicken_: y u no post patches to RB | 17:50 |
| manchicken_ | shadeslayer: Still cleaning up | 17:50 |
| === rdieter_work is now known as rdieter_laptop | ||
| shadeslayer | okay | 17:50 |
| manchicken_ | And what I've ended up doing here is much bigger than just a single patch. | 17:50 |
| manchicken_ | sourceslist.cpp got a lot of work done on it. | 17:51 |
| * Riddell high fives manchicken_ | 17:51 | |
| manchicken_ | :) | 17:51 |
| === debfx_ is now known as debfx | ||
| manchicken_ | I kinda took the approach that the maintainer needed to step away from this library, he had conceded there were some issues, so I just kinda took over a little bit. | 17:52 |
| manchicken_ | There may already be binary compatibility issues, which is why I've been trying to get someone who maintains a package depending on this library to jump in and help me verify that I haven't broken their world (or if I have, where). | 17:54 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: full install looks good | 17:55 |
| Riddell | manchicken_: just look at the symbol files? | 17:55 |
| manchicken_ | I guess I could do that, just compare the current version with the existing one. | 17:57 |
| vet | hi there | 17:57 |
| manchicken_ | That said, most of the dependencies (muon included) seem like they should be updated to take advantage of the new functionality in this version, namely tracking separate sources.list files. | 17:57 |
| manchicken_ | But I suppose that's probably a future task given all of the things likely going on in muon. | 17:59 |
| Riddell | hi vet | 18:00 |
| vet | having some wifi issues on Kubuntu. After rebooting the wifi doesn't connect as it appears with no key on the configuration menu. | 18:00 |
| Riddell | vet: user support in #kubuntu (I'm afraid I don't know a quick answer) | 18:00 |
| vet | thank you very much Riddell ;) | 18:01 |
| vet | first time I install kubuntu and I am way lost... :S | 18:02 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: do you have a regex handy for that upstart version parsing? | 18:03 |
| apachelogger | lol, no? | 18:04 |
| apachelogger | I don't even know what the string looks like | 18:04 |
| apachelogger | because dat code was shit :P | 18:04 |
| apachelogger | split.strip.chop.setsize.join.yourmom.yolo.morestringoperations.meow.bad.kitteh.toInt() | 18:05 |
| shadeslayer | :| | 18:07 |
| manchicken_ | I don't think that I broke binary compatibility compared to the stable version of libqapt running right now... but it's in no way binary compatible with the unreleased 2.1 version JonT was working on before. | 18:12 |
| manchicken_ | apol is my new favorite person. | 18:23 |
| xnox | apachelogger: i'm deeply upset and pissed off about your email message, which puts my conversation with you here, out of context, in the spotlight, with widely exaggerated claims. | 18:23 |
| * vHanda should switch off alerts for spotlight | 18:23 | |
| xnox | apachelogger: none of my cmake changes are complete, and are only known to not regress native compilation against system libraries for a wide subset of packages (~20% of the archive) whilst at the same time enabling as less intrusively as possible a really cool feature. | 18:23 |
| xnox | apachelogger: you on the other hand, give me what, an irc conversation and a bug report and no time to review, respond, code, prototype and fix a bug in an unstable distribution code-named trusty, which is yet to do any milestone release. | 18:24 |
| xnox | apachelogger: yet, implying that it's the final state and final implementation of 14.04 LTS. | 18:25 |
| xnox | apachelogger: i will respond to that email, but on my own time, not by your schedule. | 18:25 |
| xnox | apachelogger: i'm off to volleyball now, and will return to computers tomorrow GMT time. | 18:26 |
| xnox | apachelogger: do note, that no toolchain changes are validated until full archive rebuild, which has not happened for trusty yet. | 18:27 |
| xnox | apachelogger: as kubuntu/ubuntu developer, i would have expected you to know better. | 18:27 |
| apachelogger | xnox: upsetting was not intended, sorry for that | 18:27 |
| xnox | apachelogger: appologies are accepted. i'll calm down and respond in calm manner. | 18:27 |
| apachelogger | see you tomorrow and have fun at volleyball | 18:27 |
| xnox | apachelogger: but i'm already getting personal messages and attacks from unknown to me people about this. | 18:28 |
| xnox | apachelogger: see ya =) | 18:28 |
| apachelogger | !find xmllint | 18:52 |
| ubottu | File xmllint found in bash-completion, cluster-glue, libxml2-doc, libxml2-utils, manpages-tr, tclxml, vim-runtime, webgen0.4, webgen0.4-doc, webgen0.5 (and 1 others) http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=xmllint&mode=&suite=saucy&arch=any | 18:52 |
| shadeslayer | manchicken: fwiw I talked to Aleix today and he says that there is a file search API in libqapt | 18:58 |
| * shadeslayer will have another look | 18:58 | |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: updated | 18:58 |
| manchicken | shadeslayer: I wonder if it is just using the libapt-pkg interfaces consumed by libqapt. | 18:59 |
| manchicken | I looked through the code and didn't see anything that looked like that, but I could be wrong. It's not a huge codebase, but it's not tiny either. | 18:59 |
| shadeslayer | *nod* | 19:03 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: see RB | 19:03 |
| apachelogger | unicorns | 19:03 |
| apachelogger | so much betterz | 19:03 |
| ahoneybun | ping valorie | 21:22 |
| Riddell | why don't you come on over valorie? | 21:22 |
| * Riddell votes for Tm_T for Ubuntu IRC Council | 21:23 | |
| ahoneybun | hey Riddell | 21:23 |
| ahoneybun | Riddell: is it ok if I fix the link on http://www.kubuntu.org/community/contribute linking to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Documentation ? | 21:31 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: of course | 21:51 |
| Quintasan | shadeslayer: KTp 0.7.0 in PPA for saucy | 22:04 |
| Quintasan | thoughts? | 22:04 |
| Quintasan | shadeslayer: wait, we do have it | 22:11 |
| Quintasan | I'm dumb and can't filter by release | 22:11 |
| Riddell | Quintasan: does ktp need synced in trusty? | 22:15 |
| Quintasan | Nope | 22:16 |
| Quintasan | It's 0.7.0 in trusty alright | 22:16 |
| Quintasan | and we have 0.7.0 in ppa for saucy | 22:16 |
| Quintasan | I just couldn't find it since I filtered by the wrong release. | 22:16 |
| Riddell | ah but it would be synced with debian | 22:20 |
| ahoneybun | Riddell: I did not see a answer if you did | 22:47 |
| Riddell | ahoneybun: of course | 22:50 |
| Riddell | sorry bad tab competion | 22:51 |
| ahoneybun | ok cool | 22:51 |
| ahoneybun | I'll work on it when I get home I'm porting more docs over | 22:52 |
| ahoneybun | the software page is the last one I think | 22:52 |
| xnox | Riddell: was the alpha1 block lifted? or are all of those kde packages are for the alpha1 images? | 22:59 |
| * Riddell publishes http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.12 | 23:02 | |
| Riddell | xnox: I'm hoping they'll be caught by the block | 23:03 |
| xnox | Riddell: =/ did you check that. i think most of it will. anyway not helping alpha1, cause now for all of these packages you have no option to upload bugfix & respin with it. you'll have to go with 4.12 or release-note bugs =( so i'm a bit surprised you traded "respins option" for upload 4.12 now, instead tomorrow / friday. | 23:04 |
| xnox | Riddell: on the other hand if kubuntu alpha1 images are all dandy good =) then all is good. | 23:05 |
| xnox | Riddell: it's just doesn't look co-ordinated to me. | 23:05 |
| Riddell | xnox: I had to get those .orig in the archive so we can get the packages into backports PPA without taking up many GB of disk space and have them released promptly | 23:07 |
| Riddell | xnox: but I'm not sure I see a problem, if we do need to upload a package we can just delete the one in -proposed and upload the bugfix instead | 23:08 |
| Riddell | I guess there will be a dependency chain for some of them on the relevant library | 23:08 |
| * Riddell snoozes | 23:11 | |
| xnox | Riddell: yeah, you could cowboy it. just ugly =) | 23:23 |
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