[14:56] <airurando> afternoon
[14:56] <airurando> wishing you all an enjoyable festive season!
[14:59] <zmoylan-len> hi
[14:59] <zmoylan-len> all crimbo shopping sorted?
[15:01] <airurando> just about
[15:02] <airurando> what about yourself zmoylan-len
[15:02] <zmoylan-len> being athiest means i save a fortune on crimbo pressies :-)
[15:03] <airurando> forgot about that
[15:03] <airurando> lucky you
[15:03] <zmoylan-len> though i am checking to see if my nephew would be interested in a rasp pi
[15:04] <airurando> Santa is bringing one to oisin. Orla gets a laptop
[15:04] <airurando> oisin is getting a nexus 7 also
[15:05] <zmoylan-len> odd, my nephew is also called oisin
[15:05] <airurando> ha ha
[15:05] <airurando> popular name
[15:05] <zmoylan-len> oisin and owen.  pretty sure it's oisin that's the geeky one
[15:06] <airurando> you better get that right
[15:06] <airurando> ;-)
[15:06] <zmoylan-len> ah, i'll just tell my brother to hand it to the geeky one. :-)
[15:07] <airurando> :-)
[15:08] <airurando> tell me how easy/hard will it be to dual boot a new dell laptop with win8 on it?
[15:08] <airurando> I never understood that secure boot stuff.
[15:09]  * zmoylan-len is currently rebuilding my main media drive after accidently erasing it making dual boot work 'properly'
[15:09] <airurando> oh dear
[15:10] <airurando> :-(
[15:10] <zmoylan-len> i finally got linux installed on lenovo win 8 afflicted computer.  but it was awkward
[15:11] <zmoylan-len> when i used bios it booted linux and when i used uefi it booted windows.  i followed instructions to make uefi, win8 and linux to all get along and it never booted again and erased media drive
[15:11] <airurando> hmmmm
[15:12] <zmoylan-len> i saw it as natures way of saying stop using windows.  which i only used for itunes anyway.  so have ditched windows and am now 100% linux
[15:12] <zmoylan-len> even my mac has been cleared off to keep me away from itunes
[15:12] <airurando> :-)
[15:12] <airurando> itunes has a hold on me also
[15:13] <zmoylan-len> linux has no substitute, nor android.  writing a partial replacement for own use in perl at mo.
[15:13] <zmoylan-len> the file shuffling part that allows you to watch a tv show on an idevice
[15:14] <airurando> I probably won't be messing with my daughters laptop for a while so as all you have said demonstrates that dual booting is way above my skill level on newer hardware
[15:14] <airurando> http://www.dell.com/ie/p/inspiron-15-3521/pd
[15:15] <airurando> that one with the core i3 processor
[15:15] <zmoylan-len> i intend to get an oxfam laptop with win7 to dual boot.   http://www.oxfamireland.org/computers/laptop-plus
[15:16] <zmoylan-len> win8 is deliberatly knobbled to make dual boot with linux horrible.
[15:16] <tdr112> hey airurando
[15:16] <airurando> nice zmoylan-len
[15:17] <tdr112> zmoylan-len: that happen to me
[15:17] <airurando> hi tdr112
[15:17] <zmoylan-len> cheap, high end business laptops in decent nick.  i've seen 2 so far. very nice
[15:17] <tdr112> wasted a day on it trying to get it to work , just got rid of win 8 and runing stuff in a vm
[15:18] <zmoylan-len> can't create a vm without an install disk though
[15:18] <tdr112> hey airurando, kids going mad yet
[15:18] <zmoylan-len> on a laptop
[15:18] <tdr112> zmoylan-len: i have a vm of vista
[15:18] <airurando> tdr112:  yip
[15:18]  * zmoylan-len is not sure if that's better or worse than win8 :-D
[15:20] <tdr112> zmoylan-len: have not used it for 20 days, just using wine more and more
[15:20] <zmoylan-len> itunes doesn't work in wine
[15:20] <tdr112> airurando: how goes the dojo
[15:20] <zmoylan-len> or rather it loads, but it doesn't actually work
[15:21] <airurando> tdr112: great. on Christmas break at the moment.  Orla has taken to scratch really well.  Oisin still a bit young.
[15:22] <tdr112> airurando: Do you help out, when your off ?
[15:27] <airurando> tdr112:  as much as i can.  They are getting to a point beyond my current abilities
[15:28] <airurando> Orla is on her own.
[15:28] <airurando> I can help the newer folks a bit
[15:33] <tdr112> airurando: but its not chlid care, parents do hang around ?
[15:34] <airurando> yes they do
[15:34] <airurando> it is real good here in athy but it is early days yet
[15:35] <airurando> from the parents I get the impression that they are very greatful to the mentors for providing their kids with the opportunity
[15:36] <airurando> it clashes with alot of things on a sat morning but kids and parents are picking the coder dojo over those other activities
[15:36] <airurando> again though it is early days
[15:37] <airurando> as long as my kids want to go I'll support and encourage them but I won't force them
[15:44] <airurando> crikey it is pouring rain here.
[15:45] <zmoylan-len> train station down south closed https://twitter.com/cybernoelie/statuses/413325728038805504
[16:04] <airurando> aye the mother in law is trapped on the train from cobh
[16:55] <zmoylan-len> pics of the train from cobh with debris on roof.  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bbx9oSnIMAE3WEL.jpg