[10:58] so what is ppc64el? whats the difference to the other arches? [10:58] have I missed a mail on -devel about it? [11:02] so its little endian, why is it named el not le? oO [11:08] Debian uses el for whatever reason. armel, mips64el. [11:08] I don't know what it means or the history around it. [11:10] I thought it was an endianness joke, but eb exists so maybe not === dpm_ is now known as dpm === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [12:27] jtaylor: rbasak: Laney: i always thought it was a clever pun: little endian - le - 6C 65, would be stored in memory as 65 6C (little endian) and thus it's "el" most significant letter last ;-) [12:27] yeah [12:28] Well, that's debatable :) [12:29] rbasak: if one doesn't know endianess a self-declared "le" appears as "el" value ;-)))) or rather your BigEndian machine will see it as such ;-) [12:29] It's only gets reversed in memory because you did the initial conversion in big endian :) [12:29] rbasak: memory addresses are sequential ;-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endianness [12:30] Yeah sure, but you read 6C 65 out of memory, and convert it to an integer, and then to hex, and then print it here. [12:30] The endianness comes into play when you convert to an integer. [12:30] Nothing gets swapped. [12:31] It's ASCII->integer when you have the endianness question. So saying that le is el in little endian doesn't really work. [12:31] (or 2-byte -> 16 bit integer, if you like) [12:36] wgrant: so ppc64el is long double = 16 byte but 80 bit precision? [12:37] I'm trying to understand your numpy patch [12:39] jtaylor: It's the same as ppc64, except the bytes within each double are flipped. [12:42] are you planing on forwarding it upstream? [12:43] also are there porterboxes available numpys test segfaults with python-dbg [12:45] jtaylor: Modern qemu-system-ppc64 can do LE [12:46] jtaylor: We don't have a pregenerated image for it, though. [12:46] qemu sucks for floating point [12:46] it doesn'T seem to respect ieee754 [12:47] Hm [12:48] Anyway, we barely have buildds atm, no porter boxes yet. qemu *should* work fine. [12:48] The primary archive isn't quite debootstrappable yet, but http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/bootstrap/ppc64el is. [12:50] I'll give it a try [12:50] if you have access to a machine, it would be grat if you could just give me a backtrace [12:51] Let me see what I can do. [12:51] Thanks for looking === j_f-f_ is now known as j_f-f === freeflying is now known as freeflying_away === Zic is now known as Guest7180 === debfx_ is now known as debfx === Guest7180 is now known as Zic [18:47] sd