[18:20] <ibeardslee> morning
[18:40] <olly> morning
[19:28] <ajmitch> morning
[20:26] <chilts> morning
[20:39] <mwhudson> so part of the reason i thought a recent kernel upgrade made my system screwy
[20:40] <mwhudson> is that the trackpad got reenabled somehow
[20:40] <mwhudson> it's a thinkpad and i only use the nipple
[20:40] <mwhudson> so i clip the trackpad when typing and odd things happen
[21:05] <hads-test> Yeah I turn mine off too
[21:27] <chilts> I just switched my Fn and Ctrl keys on my Thinkpad ... I'm much happier as a result
[21:27] <chilts> I don't use the nipple or the buttons above the trackpad
[21:27] <mwhudson> hads-test: can you remember how? :)
[21:28] <mwhudson> oh there's a button for it :)
[21:28] <mwhudson> chilts: weirdo
[21:28] <chilts> wut!
[21:28] <mwhudson> chilts: why have a thinkpad if you don't use the nipple? :)
[21:28] <chilts> 'coz work paid for it :D
[21:28] <mwhudson> though tbh i use an external keyboard & mouse almost all the time
[21:28] <chilts> though I do like it
[21:29] <chilts> me too
[21:29] <chilts> it's only when I'm out and about I use the trackpad anyway
[21:29] <mwhudson> chilts: which do you have?
[21:29] <chilts> W530
[21:29] <mwhudson> the trackpad is pretty rubbish on my x220
[21:29] <mwhudson> even more so in ubuntu than windows iirc
[21:29] <chilts> there are a few things I don't like, but it seems pretty sturdy
[21:30] <chilts> in some ways I wish I'd gone for a lighter model, but tbh it's mostly on my desk
[21:30] <chilts> and 16GB RAM is nice
[21:30] <chilts> so that I can have a hundred or so tabs open in Firefox (and no idea what is there)
[21:31] <mwhudson> i'm pretty happy with mine, more ram and more pixels would be nice, but it's not at all bad for 2.5 yrs old
[21:32] <chilts> ah, I remember, this one is 1920x1080 which is probably why I got it
[21:33] <chilts> I suspect in 2.5 years time I'll still be happy with it too, so that's good to know
[21:33] <hads-test> mwhudson: Yeah, the button :)
[21:34] <hads-test> I've got a T400 which is getting on a bit, I'm impatiently waiting on my Christmas present which is a T440s, the power adapter has arrived so far.
[21:35] <chilts> oh, that's the other thing I hate, the power brick really is a brick
[21:35] <chilts> I don't know how they get away with it
[21:36] <hads-test> The new one is a slimmer wider brick.
[21:37] <hads-test> With a square jack instead of round.
[21:37] <hads-test> I've been waiting ages for a 14" Thinkpad with more screen real estate. Quite exciting.
[21:38] <mwhudson> chilts: that's what you get for buying a big thinkpad :)
[21:38] <mwhudson> the 60w supplies are much smaller
[21:39] <chilts> :/
[21:39] <chilts> I'll note that for next time
[21:39] <chilts> I think I might try and find a replacement which is a bit more manageable
[21:46] <ibeardslee> we are getting the Lenovo X1 Carbons as a standard laptop for staff at the moment, getting them without Windows.
[21:47]  * ibeardslee has a bit of adjustment with the trackpad and buttons etc
[21:47] <mwhudson> ibeardslee: was just looking at them, they seem nice
[21:47] <mwhudson> ibeardslee: can only be configured with 8gb ram though?
[21:47] <ibeardslee> down side is the 8GB fixed
[21:47] <hads-test> Yeah not bad but a bit limited. No built in Ethernet etc.
[21:47] <ibeardslee> I have heard (not confirmed) that the next iteration will have able to have 16GB.
[21:48] <hads-test> The T440s is a good alternative
[21:48] <ibeardslee> for a lot of people the wireless is good enough, and with a USB ethernet adapter they behave pretty good.
[21:48] <hads-test> Yeah for most people it would be fine.
[21:50] <G> ibeardslee: I recall (second hand) that circa 12 months ago, PXE booting was neigh-on-impossible with those USB adapters
[21:50] <ibeardslee> if you ask Silicon nicely you can get the Lenovos without Windows
[21:51] <ibeardslee> G: The only problem I had with the PXE boot while installing one yesterday was the firmware missing from the 12.04 (not 12.04.3) netboot we have setup.
[21:52] <ibeardslee> ended up doing a USB stick boot
[21:52] <ibeardslee>  /install
[21:52] <G> ibeardslee: I think from the bug I recall seeing ended up getting fixed in the kernel, but for the life of me I can't remember when
[21:52] <hads-test> This is the 440 series slim brick; http://imgur.com/l8MaXN7
[21:53] <G> ibeardslee: ahh good, they must've fixed it, just thought I'd mention it anyway
[21:54] <ibeardslee> it did the pxeboot fine, but failed with the install because of the missing firmware.
[21:54] <ibeardslee> BUT different usb adapter may also behave differently.