[00:08] <wrst> howdy howdy netritious
[00:08] <Unit193> netritious: Oh, right.  Not doing a ton right now.
[14:35] <netritious> good morning locotn
[14:35] <netritious> howdy wrst :)
[14:38] <wrst> hey hey netritious
[14:38] <wrst> how are things going?
[14:38] <netritious> same old, same old. you?
[14:39] <wrst> about the same trying to get things folded up to roll a new year over
[14:40] <netritious> sounds like a lot of fun ;)
[15:11] <netritious> recently got aquainted with btrfs via some news feeds.
[15:12] <netritious> sounds promising
[15:20] <wrst> netritious: yes it does, its just way behind ZFS on BSD if you are needing a file server I see no real compelling reason to use Linux over BSD
[18:09] <cyberanger> I see two compelling reasons, what one knows, and oracle
[18:10] <wrst> cyberanger: oracle?
[18:11] <cyberanger> I don't like getting too close to oracle's code
[18:11] <wrst> the bsd and linux implementations of zfs are comletely seperate from oracle
[18:11] <wrst> even to the point of making the version numbers so they will never intersect
[18:13] <cyberanger> true, and there is now a new native version released in 2013, developed by lawrence livermore
[18:13] <cyberanger> I've been using ZFS on /mirror
[18:13] <wrst> cyberanger: under linux?
[18:13] <cyberanger> btrfs for /
[18:13] <cyberanger> and ext2 for /boot
[18:13] <wrst> ahh
[18:14] <cyberanger> yep
[18:14] <wrst> my thing is freenas makes it so easy for me to have a great file server without much hassle at all
[18:15] <cyberanger> and no-exec set in fstab
[18:16] <cyberanger> and with lvm2 I can expand it easily, and I can expand zfs while mounted
[18:16] <wrst> nice
[18:20] <cyberanger> but I find btrfs' force-compress to be nicer than what I've seen in zfs so far
[18:22] <cyberanger> netritious: did I tell you about dm-crypt and btrfs with force-compress?
[18:22] <wrst> I haven't used that but most of what I'm using zfs for is media files so its already compressed not a lot of use
[18:22] <wrst> compressed somewhat
[18:30] <cyberanger> there's additional benifits with crypto involved
[18:45] <wrst> of that I'm sure, on my home freenas box that's just not really necessary especially for family photos/videos etc
[18:47]  * cyberanger wonders if wrst is really sure, or just taking my word for it ;-)
[18:47] <wrst> no actually have heard that
[18:47] <wrst> really :)
[18:47] <wrst> but did a lot of homework on zfs/freenas etc and still have a very limited knowledge of it
[18:48]  * cyberanger likes this
[18:50] <cyberanger> wrst: learning crypto or just curious
[18:52] <wrst> curious
[18:52] <wrst> don't have the need... yet, or do we all have the need?
[18:53] <cyberanger> need or desire
[18:56] <wrst> considering the times we may all have the need
[19:09] <cyberanger> yeah, trying times, but the law itself is fighting back too now
[19:10] <cyberanger> gotta love case law > https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/12/historic-ruling-federal-judge-declares-nsa-mass-phone-surveillance-likely
[19:11] <wrst> cyberanger: that requires you to have people in power that acknowledge the constitution in the first place
[19:11] <cyberanger> yeah, and this means we have one more than last week
[19:13] <wrst> true but when many/most/all of our elected officials on use it when handy for their purposes and we keep electing them...
[19:18] <cyberanger> Lord Acton said it best, "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men."
[19:19] <cyberanger> William Pitt the Elder is a close second with "Unlimited power is apt to corrupt the minds of those who possess it"
[19:25] <cyberanger> I've been increasing my encryption usage, the strength of my ciphers, improving the way it's setup to minimize attack vectors
[19:28] <cyberanger> most are just normal for me, I can only think of two setup changes I did due to the NSA mess
[19:34] <wrst> well you are pretty observant of the need for that anyway
[19:37]  * cyberanger adjusts his tin foil hat to that compliment
[19:40] <cyberanger> I try
[19:42] <cyberanger> it helps to have an incentive, and I have a huge one
[20:41] <wrst> Unit193: looks like the gnome team is making nautiuls even more useless!
[20:42] <Unit193> Very likely, what now?
[20:43] <wrst> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/12/first-look-new-nautilus-designs