[00:08] howdy howdy netritious [00:08] netritious: Oh, right. Not doing a ton right now. [14:35] good morning locotn [14:35] howdy wrst :) [14:38] hey hey netritious [14:38] how are things going? [14:38] same old, same old. you? [14:39] about the same trying to get things folded up to roll a new year over [14:40] sounds like a lot of fun ;) [15:11] recently got aquainted with btrfs via some news feeds. [15:12] sounds promising [15:20] netritious: yes it does, its just way behind ZFS on BSD if you are needing a file server I see no real compelling reason to use Linux over BSD [18:09] I see two compelling reasons, what one knows, and oracle [18:10] cyberanger: oracle? [18:11] I don't like getting too close to oracle's code [18:11] the bsd and linux implementations of zfs are comletely seperate from oracle [18:11] even to the point of making the version numbers so they will never intersect [18:13] true, and there is now a new native version released in 2013, developed by lawrence livermore [18:13] I've been using ZFS on /mirror [18:13] cyberanger: under linux? [18:13] btrfs for / [18:13] and ext2 for /boot [18:13] ahh [18:14] yep [18:14] my thing is freenas makes it so easy for me to have a great file server without much hassle at all [18:15] and no-exec set in fstab [18:16] and with lvm2 I can expand it easily, and I can expand zfs while mounted [18:16] nice [18:20] but I find btrfs' force-compress to be nicer than what I've seen in zfs so far [18:22] netritious: did I tell you about dm-crypt and btrfs with force-compress? [18:22] I haven't used that but most of what I'm using zfs for is media files so its already compressed not a lot of use [18:22] compressed somewhat [18:30] there's additional benifits with crypto involved [18:45] of that I'm sure, on my home freenas box that's just not really necessary especially for family photos/videos etc [18:47] * cyberanger wonders if wrst is really sure, or just taking my word for it ;-) [18:47] no actually have heard that [18:47] really :) [18:47] but did a lot of homework on zfs/freenas etc and still have a very limited knowledge of it [18:48] * cyberanger likes this [18:50] wrst: learning crypto or just curious [18:52] curious [18:52] don't have the need... yet, or do we all have the need? [18:53] need or desire [18:56] considering the times we may all have the need [19:09] yeah, trying times, but the law itself is fighting back too now [19:10] gotta love case law > https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/12/historic-ruling-federal-judge-declares-nsa-mass-phone-surveillance-likely [19:11] cyberanger: that requires you to have people in power that acknowledge the constitution in the first place [19:11] yeah, and this means we have one more than last week [19:13] true but when many/most/all of our elected officials on use it when handy for their purposes and we keep electing them... [19:18] Lord Acton said it best, "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men." [19:19] William Pitt the Elder is a close second with "Unlimited power is apt to corrupt the minds of those who possess it" [19:25] I've been increasing my encryption usage, the strength of my ciphers, improving the way it's setup to minimize attack vectors [19:28] most are just normal for me, I can only think of two setup changes I did due to the NSA mess [19:34] well you are pretty observant of the need for that anyway [19:37] * cyberanger adjusts his tin foil hat to that compliment [19:40] I try [19:42] it helps to have an incentive, and I have a huge one [20:41] Unit193: looks like the gnome team is making nautiuls even more useless! [20:42] Very likely, what now? [20:43] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/12/first-look-new-nautilus-designs === Omnifrog is now known as DJOmnifrog === DJOmnifrog is now known as Omnifrog