[00:00] <FuuqUmist> SMPlayer also has their own support channel unlike gnome Mplayer
[00:01] <ianorlin> this is a support channel though there is lubuntu-offtopic for normal conversations
[00:01] <ianorlin> *#lubuntu-offtopic
[00:01] <FuuqUmist> i'm talking about lubuntu
[00:25] <ste22x> hi guys  need help with alsa sound system
[00:27] <ste22x> i'd like to run a few  ham programs at once   echolink, cq100, hampshere  ect but right now the alsa  only lets me run one program
[00:27] <ste22x> anyone no about the plugins i need
[00:30] <syntax_> Hi, I was wondering if anyone would be able to help me troubleshoot a problem that I'm having when attempting to install a package?
[00:30] <syntax_> Here is the pastebin; http://pastebin.com/XzqiKCzc
[00:31] <ianorlin> were you using apt-get ?
[00:32] <syntax_> ianorlin: yup, the command that I used was "sudo apt-get install wireshark"
[00:32] <syntax_> I also ran "sudo apt-get -f install" beforehand to see if I had any broken packages, which I did not.
[00:32] <syntax_> I can also post the output from that command if need be.
[00:33] <ianorlin> have you tried apt-get build-dep wireshark?
[00:34] <syntax_> nope, I will try that now
[00:35] <syntax_> outpu,: http://pastebin.com/kMPkTghC
[00:36] <pleia2> syntax_: it looks like you have something strange going on with your sources (why is a debian version name in the package version on a lubuntu system..?)
[00:36] <pleia2> syntax_: and what version of lubuntu is this?
[00:36] <koell> does someone have a macbook pro retina display? tried ubuntu?
[00:37] <syntax_> pleia, I'm not sure. To be honest my knowledge of Linux is still very much at the novice level.
[00:37] <syntax_> pleia, let me check
[00:37] <pleia2> syntax_: can do: cat /etc/lsb-release
[00:38] <syntax_> 13.04
[00:38]  * ianorlin doesn't have a mac but I have heard some of the new ones have been somewhat of a pain
[00:38] <pleia2> ah, 13.04 does have wheezy in the string
[00:39] <pleia2> syntax_: what happens when you try to install libgtk2.0-dev ?
[00:40] <pleia2> it does exist: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libgtk2.0-dev&searchon=names&suite=raring&section=all
[00:40] <syntax_> I haven't tried that, what package is that?
[00:40] <ianorlin> reading the paste again it looks like there is a package hold on a dependecy
[00:40] <pleia2> syntax_: sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev
[00:41] <syntax_> http://pastebin.com/2n938pu7
[00:41] <pleia2> syntax_: that's very strange, it should exist on a regular 13.04 system :(
[00:42] <syntax_> ianorlin, is there a way to fix the hold?
[00:42] <syntax_> pleia2, should I check synaptic to see if its there? Or will that not make a difference?
[00:43] <ianorlin> http://askubuntu.com/questions/164587/how-can-you-unhold-remove-a-hold-on-a-package
[00:44] <syntax_> Thanks! How do I first identify what the package is that is on hold?
[00:44] <syntax_> in the article they use 'package_name' as a placeholder for the package that is on hold
[00:45] <ianorlin> libgtk2.0-dev
[00:45] <syntax_> oh, ok. Thanks. I will try and run this using that.
[00:46] <syntax_> It says that libgtk2.0-dev was already not on hold
[00:47] <syntax_> when I ran: "sudo apt-mark unhold libgtk2.0-dev"
[00:47] <koell> ianorlin: i know. there is not really high-dpi support for such displays.
[00:48] <ianorlin> why which driver do they end up using?
[03:03] <vn151502510> hi
[03:04] <vn151502510> I have a win8 iso file, how can I make an bootable usb with it?
[03:05] <vn151502510> I tried unetbootin, but have no option
[03:07] <vn151502510> sorry, my mistake
[03:07] <vn151502510> unetbootin works
[03:08] <Unit193> Really?
[03:08] <Unit193> Huh.
[03:09] <SonikkuAmerica> Wow. It seems like 99.2% of all the cases we get in here solve themselves... high rate of PEBCAK I guess.
[03:39] <Guest55441> how can i get debugging messages from network manager? im not even getting an error when it fails to connect to a wireless network. it's not an encryption problem. it's an open network.
[05:05] <deleted_> lol pebcak
[08:23] <ste2> hi guys
[08:25] <ste2> have an issue with alsa sound
[08:25] <ste2> need some help with
[08:26] <hateball> !details
[08:26] <ste2> oh  thx   guys
[08:26] <ste2> i could only use one program  at a time
[08:27] <ste2> i  wanted to be able to run a few voip  at a time
[08:27] <ste2> skype, hamsphere , allstar  webtranseaver
[08:28] <ste2> is there a plugin  that'l let me  do that      i'm using  lubuntu 13.1
[08:29] <ste2> i  have  a few  voip programs  i can  run  at the same time on windows  with out a problem
[08:30] <ste2> this is with the alsa  sound
[08:37] <ste2> any luck
[08:38] <ste2> having problems with  this screen   so i'm not sure if you've  responded
[08:41] <ste2> anyone have any ideas
[08:52] <ste22x> anyone  stll  around
[09:09] <ste22x> anyone there
[09:09] <ste22x> not sure  how to work this  xchat
[09:39] <ste22x> hi guys
[09:39] <ste22x> anyone  around
[09:50] <leszek> hi
[12:37] <adanoob> what's the cause for: sudo: unable to execute ./fpupdate: No such file or directory ?? if the file is known to be there and is executable ?
[12:44] <adanoob> It's already the third antivirus I try to install, and NONE (besides clamav) works... what the heck is going on ?
[12:49] <adanoob> ok, so it seems to be a 32 bit vs 64 bit issue
[12:49] <adanoob> according to what's the cause for: sudo: unable to execute ./fpupdate: No such file or directory ?? is the file is there and is executable ?
[12:49] <adanoob> oops sorry
[12:53] <adanoob> ok, I'm giving up on the 64 bit version, will try the 32 bit !! shucks
[14:41] <adanoob> damm check Point End Point security does not recognize ANY antivirus under Linux !
[17:34] <BullShark> How do you stop network manager in lubuntu 13.10 without it respawning?
[17:36] <holstein> BullShark: what are you trying to do?
[17:38] <BullShark> holstein :: network manager fails to connect to a wireless network that it can see without giving an error message. the issue is not related to encryption. the network is unencrypted/open. I would like to find out why NM is failing to connect. the only way I have found to do this is to run "NetworkManager --no-daemon --log-level=DEBUG"
[17:40] <holstein> i usually troubleshoot those in more hardware specific ways.. you might look into just not starting it manually
[17:41] <BullShark> holstein :: i'd prefer to be able to use the builtin wireless chip to the laptop. it was working fine under xp before i wiped it, so it must not be a hardware failure. what are you suggesting?
[17:41] <BullShark> and why shouldn't i be able to see logs generated by network-manager?
[17:42] <holstein> i was saying, as a solution make the network manager not autostart.. then, yuo can lanuch it manually as you please.. i didnt mean to imply to not use the device
[17:42] <BullShark> holstein :: how do i stop it from auto starting besides removing it?
[17:42] <holstein> i would just try and connect to other devices, to see that the device is functioning properly.. i would expect no logging if the device is bad
[17:43] <holstein> i would also try a live CD on the same hardware to remove my user config and system config from the equation.. i would also at some point want to try the hardware with a supported drive
[17:43] <holstein> driver*
[17:47] <BullShark> ok, those are good troubleshooting steps to narrow down the problem. however the installation of lubuntu is new. really the only user config/changes are updating it. network manager may be saying something useful in it's output. how can i prevent it from autostarting as a daemon?
[17:48] <BullShark> i had to use the grub-n-iso method because the cpu doesn't report it supporting PAE
[17:48] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1801529 might be like it.. but, things are chaning
[17:49] <holstein> BullShark: any of those custom steps could be causing the driver/module not to work properly
[17:49] <BullShark> after upgrading, i should have a new kernel with modules
[17:49] <holstein> BullShark: i would try and troubleshoot the specific networking device as close to stock ubuntu as possible.. otherwise, you could be troubleshooting something that is not the issue
[17:49] <BullShark> from the link you gave, there is not an /etc/init.d/network-manager service
[17:50] <holstein> BullShark: right.. things are changing, and i have not needed to stop the service first hand
[17:50] <holstein> what would i do? troubleshoot via hardware.. and remove the network manager if needed and use another one that logs
[17:50] <BullShark> i look at the PPID and it's 0. some how it was started by init???
[17:50] <holstein> but, it wont log "the hardware is broken", or "the custom kernel you are using is not support the device"
[17:52] <BullShark> holstein :: the only thing out of the ordinary i did was
[17:52] <BullShark> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:prof7bit/fake-pae
[17:52] <BullShark> sudo apt-get update
[17:52] <BullShark> sudo apt-get install fake-pae
[17:52] <BullShark> before upgrading
[17:53] <holstein> BullShark: sure, and those are not in the repos. im not saying thats the issue, but those are sources that AFAIK change the kernel
[17:53] <BullShark> those steps are required. stock lubuntu 13.10 won't boot on an ibm thinkpad t41 because the kernel is looking for that cpu PAE flag.
[17:53] <holstein> i understand. but, those steps could be causing the device to fail
[17:55] <BullShark> i wish lubuntu would support this older laptop, thinkpad t41. i am using lubuntu on it because afterall, it is supposed to be light weight for slower hardware.
[17:55] <holstein> BullShark: lubuntu cant support anything outside the repos, and there is nothing in the main ubuntu repos that support non-pae right now
[17:56] <BullShark> so getting to mainstream ubuntu to test it is a problem
[17:56] <holstein> BullShark: its not problem.. its not included, so no need to test
[17:57] <holstein> BullShark: its not something ubuntu is interested in supporting.. non-pae.. and lubuntu is inheriting that lack of support in the shared repos
[17:58] <BullShark> it wouldn't be an issue if it was my machine, custom built gentoo and make menuconfig on that kernel, but i need this machine to be user-friendly for a non tech savy user.
[17:59] <holstein> i would personally do http://www.webupd8.org/2012/05/how-to-install-ubuntu-1204-on-non-pae.html
[17:59] <holstein> !minimal
[17:59] <holstein> even though there is no official 12.04 lubuntu long term support, i would install 12.04 and lxde and manually set up an environment
[18:00] <holstein> this is assuming the networking hardware is functional, and that this is the actual issue
[18:01] <holstein> i wouldnt install "lubuntu-desktop", but just "lxde".. and the user would have longer support for the machine that 13.10 does
[18:02] <BullShark> holstein :: i can do all that and find out the same problem exists, maybe. i would also like to know how to prevent network manager from auto-starting. actually i don't have the machine in front of me now, but i want to be prepared for all troubleshooting steps when i am near it.
[18:03] <holstein> BullShark: when you have it in front of you, you can try some of the steps outlined for not starting the network manger.. if they dont work, you can remove it, and install one that maybe logs more the information you are searching for
[18:04] <holstein> !upstart
[18:05] <BullShark> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NetworkManager#Using_nm-applet.2C_wifi_networks_don.27t_prompt_for_password_and_just_disconnect
[18:05] <BullShark> that describes the problem
[18:05] <BullShark> actually it's not supposed to prompt for a password. there is none.
[18:05] <holstein> BullShark: not that i read..
[18:05] <holstein> BullShark: the password prompt could include other issues.. wpa supplicant
[18:06] <BullShark> none of those should be an issue because the network is open. that is how the client prefers it, free internet for his neighbors
[18:07] <holstein> BullShark: im saying that post can be incorrect, since it *does* involve a password.. and other technology
[18:07] <BullShark> oh right
[18:07] <holstein> not incorrect.. but, no relevant to you
[18:07] <BullShark> i should try wicd
[18:08] <BullShark> lspci -nnk, ill check on that kernel module in use
[18:09] <holstein> you should try connecting to another router.. and connecting and upgrading the packages wired..
[18:09] <BullShark> but all of this is not looking good to the client when i told him linux is better and wiped xp off his machine =/
[18:09] <holstein> you could be wasting a lot of time if that kernel change is breaking the support
[18:10] <holstein> BullShark: "better" is a matter of opinion and use case
[18:10] <holstein> BullShark: we could just as easily be discussing hardware that windows doesnt support.. such as windows8 on the same hardware
[18:10] <BullShark> ibm thinkpad t41 only supports wireless b. so when i had it, i could see other networks but the signal was too low to try to make a connection and my own hardware didn't do wireless b, so i assumed that was working =/
[18:11] <holstein> BullShark: plus, we are assuming a lot here.. have you tried to connect the machine yourself to another network?
[18:11] <holstein> BullShark: if you literally installed linux, and dropped it to the user, and he is saying "i cant connect", then go to the unit, and see first hand
[18:11] <holstein> BullShark: it could be quite a simple user-error
[18:12] <holstein> BullShark: the router could be set to G only, or not utilizing B.. or who knows
[18:12] <holstein> BullShark: i dont think you are going to find anything all that helpful in a log.. and i wouldnt lose sleep over stopping the network manager to create them
[18:12] <BullShark> it wasn't a user error. i tried myself when bringing the laptop to his home. i didn't have time to troubleshoot much. i had to set up a camera security system.
[18:13] <BullShark> holstein :: i will check on that router setting
[18:13] <holstein> BullShark: if he connected and created the connection, and you didnt remove and refresh and create a new connection, it could be that simple
[18:13] <holstein> BullShark: you would want to blow out all the connections on the network manager and re create them
[18:13] <BullShark> ok
[18:17] <BullShark> thanks for the suggestions. i'll give all those and more a try later when i have a chance.
[18:18] <holstein> BullShark: cheers!