=== chriadam|away is now known as chriadam === chriadam is now known as chriadam|afk === duflu_ is now known as duflu === Namidairo`bnc is now known as Namidairo === vying is now known as Guest6395 [03:46] lol [04:56] has anyone been successful in installing on droid x2 === chriadam|afk is now known as chriadam === ricardodrosales is now known as ricdros [08:07] in theory, if I'll have on my phone "ubuntu for android" will I be able to install a vm software and run windows on my phone as I do on my desktop? [08:18] jnhghy: Probably, yes. Although performance will be terrible. [08:19] RAOF: I assume performance depends on the phone's capabilities right? so with 8 core's or more and big ram it might run acceptabily ... (I'm thinking at samsung S5 as a realistic hardware wich has 8 cores and enough ram I think ...) [08:21] No phone hardware in the immediate future is going to give acceptable performance for a windows VM; you can't do any of the HW assisted stuff that desktop VMs use, because you need to translate the instruction set. [08:23] RAOF: sorry but I don't understand what "HW" is can you explain? [08:23] Hardware. === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away [08:24] good morning [08:25] Desktop VMs run at acceptable speeds mainly because there are a bunch of specific CPU instructions that allow you to run an x86 VM without actually emulating an x86 processor. x86-on-arm can't make use of that, and will be slow. [08:30] RAOF: I see, thank you for your effort to explain this.. . :) === ara_ is now known as ara [09:50] does android 4.4 support the old nexus 7? [09:53] asac, I have 4.4.2 on mine [09:57] asac, https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images#razorkrt16s [09:59] sil2100: good morning, how are you? [09:59] sil2100: FYI, I did a manual no-change upload of autopilot-gtk this morning to make it installable again [10:00] sil2100: apparently it got built against a newer xpathselect in the PPA, but that xpathselect version didn't land in trusty at the same time [10:00] sil2100: so the copied ap-gtk was uninstallable [10:26] pitti: morning! Oh, ok... I could have expected that, sorry about that! I'll sync up the changelog later on so that cu2d is happy ;) [10:27] sil2100: thanks; I hope re-syncing isn't too much trouble; also, that changelog entry isn't really valuable, so it's fine to just drop it on next auto-upload as well [10:27] Good morning! Some weeks before I asked if the Nexus 5 will be supported in the future. I was told to wait, because one management decision was missing and the developer would have to buy the hardware. Some days later I got the information that a rebase for 4.4 is ongoing. Any updates for these topics? Last information was that the Nexus 5 could be supported in the end of Jan. or beginning of Feb. Is that still the plan after one manuf [10:27] acturer will build a ubuntu touch phone? === cul- is now known as cul [10:55] FuLgOrE: we can only give you an outlook about what we know for sure for the next month or so. the android 4.4 rebase plan as of today does not involve nexus 5 in the first batch. we will do the move using emulator and N4 primarily ... what happens then is yet to be defined :) [10:58] thanks for the information. I hope the N5 will be put on the plan in the future === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [11:13] sil2100, what's up with https://launchpadlibrarian.net/160195168/buildlog.txt.gz ? [11:13] sil2100, afaict unity-api is very much correct version - https://launchpad.net/~unity-team/+archive/demo-stuff/+packages === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [11:16] mhr3_: let me see === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === rachelliu_ is now known as rachelliu === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [12:02] * sil2100 pokes Mirv about the merge request [12:07] sil2100, so... what's the conclusion? [12:08] sil2100: mumble, I'll look after that [12:09] mhr3_: does the error happen all the time? Where's the package that the build is happening from? [12:12] sil2100, https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/+recipe/unity-scopes-api-daily-newscopes [12:16] sil2100, and the best part, when you look at the last successful build (https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/+archive/demo-stuff/+build/5357846), it actually did use the 7.80.5 [12:19] no image for nexus 5 yet? [12:21] hey guys, when do I an update, I get a partial upgrade where it mentions that the "qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu-cordova" is no longer needed. Every other package is being upgraded. Is this good? [12:26] mhr3_: normally it can also mean that one of the dependencies of the dependencies of the dependencies failed to build, but I'll look into that - now I'm doing firefighting with Ubuntu Touch so be with you in a bit ;) === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === jhodapp|afk is now known as jhodapp [12:36] the mediaplayer-app is crashing http://paste.ubuntu.com/6599421/ [12:36] with r75 [12:43] daker, should be bug 1262600 [12:43] bug 1262600 in mediaplayer-app (Ubuntu) "mediaplayer no longer plays video in image #76" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1262600 [12:44] Ursinha: yes! [13:01] renato_: hello! [13:02] sil2100, hey [13:03] renato: are you still working a bit on mediaplayer-app? [13:04] sil2100, they asked me to implement back the scene selector [13:04] but I did not start yet [13:07] sil2100, why? [13:07] renato: since hm, with the latest images we get mediaplayer-app segfaulting when trying to view videos - LP: #1262600 [13:07] Launchpad bug 1262600 in mediaplayer-app (Ubuntu) "mediaplayer no longer plays video in image #76" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1262600 [13:07] renato: it's not an issue directly in mediaplayer-app though [13:08] renato: we suspect it's caused by the new android bits we pulled in [13:08] sil2100, jhodapp is working on that [13:08] Oh? [13:08] So it's a known issue already? [13:09] jhodapp: ^ ? [13:10] renato, jhodapp: could you guys comment on this? === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [13:10] sil2100, the gstreamer backend hasn't changed in any of those images...so something else broke playback === Namidairo is now known as Namidairo`bnc [13:12] jhodapp: right, we think it might be android's fault === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [13:13] sil2100, yes...that would make sense...did anything get merged at the android level of things? [13:13] jhodapp: yes, but sadly it's nothing that could cause such a big regression [13:13] jhodapp: but maybe something in the toolchain [13:14] jhodapp: since we observed it first on image 75, and on 75 we upgraded android [13:14] tsdgeos, hey what does verticalJournal look like ? [13:14] We'll try to downgrade and make sure [13:14] sil2100, upgraded it how...to a completely new version? [13:15] jhodapp, just a rebuild ... with minro changes for the emulator # [13:15] (i'm not really here :P ) [13:16] hybris changed too though .... and the headers moved into a new package (not sure if they also have new content and things using hybris might need a rebuild or ao) [13:16] barry, I have a fix for #199656 I would really appreciate if you can take a look and let me know if it is good for your use case :) [13:16] barry, if it can be today 'cause is my last day before xmas break better, else I can always take a quick look tomorrow [13:17] jhodapp: to some other snapshot [13:18] sil2100, I added a comment to the bug report...if someone with that image could try what I suggested that would be helpful [13:18] sil2100: aaand done. the merge, that is. also marked the qtbase part of the bug as fix committed. [13:19] \o\ [13:19] /o/ [13:19] Mirv: thanks! [13:19] thanks to you :) === Namidairo`bnc is now known as Namidairo [13:22] * Laney attached the output === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [13:36] thanks Laney === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [13:47] om26er: it's like a grid but with variable heights [13:47] tsdgeos, got a screenshot ? :) [13:48] nope [13:48] i mean it's not used anywhere inside unity8 [13:48] i can give you a screenshot of rectangles [13:48] if you want === VDVsx__ is now known as VDVsx [14:33] hey good to be here. has anyone succeeded with Ubuntu on nexus 4. how do you connect to an external monitor, keyboard, mouse ? [14:35] you dont [14:36] the desktop mode is only planned for 14.10 or later [14:37] mandel: hi, i don't think you mean LP: #199656 ;) [14:37] Launchpad bug 199656 in Inkscape "Inkscape is changing CDATA section to &something; notation" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199656 === Namidairo is now known as Namidairo`bnc [14:52] but there is a Ubuntu for phones download available right now on the Ubuntu site ? [14:52] let's try LP: #1261999 [14:52] Launchpad bug 1261999 in ubuntu-download-manager "When downloading a file to a partition with no space left no error is emitted" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1261999 [14:54] taunted: yes [14:54] kenvandine: how does one undo the wallpaper on the phone? [14:54] is there some gsettings fu? [14:55] you could reset the gsettings key [14:55] one sec [14:56] org.gnome.desktop.background pictureUri [14:56] popey, ^^ [14:56] reset that [14:56] ta [14:57] gsettings reset org.gnome.desktop.background pictureUri [14:57] No such key 'pictureUri' [14:57] whoops [14:57] hang on [14:57] ☻ [14:59] gsettings reset org.gnome.desktop.background picture-uri [15:00] kenvandine: is there a separate one for the home screen? [15:00] yes [15:01] popey, just a sec [15:02] popey, oh, that doesn't come from gsettings [15:02] that's accountsservice [15:02] popey, just check use the same [15:03] kenvandine: that got it, thanks! [15:03] np === Nothing_Much_ is now known as Nothing_Much [15:06] timp, ping [15:06] ahayzen: hello [15:06] timp, Are you the right person to talk to about SDK components? [15:07] ahayzen: I am one of the right persons, yes :) [15:07] timp, I was wondering if reordering support within a ListView was expected to land this cycle or not? [15:07] ahayzen: you mean drag-and-drop to re-order list items? [15:07] timp, yeah [15:08] ahayzen: I don't know, but I think there us a bug report for that. let me check [15:08] timp, I am asking because i'm half way through adding scrolling support to the music-app's custom implmentation but thought there is no point if u guys are gonna add it this cycle anyway [15:09] ahayzen: I found the bug, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1195353 [15:09] Ubuntu bug 1195353 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "SDK should provide support to rearrange items in a ListView" [Medium,Confirmed] [15:10] ahayzen: nobody is working on it yet, and we currently have a bunch of bugs that are higher priority, so I don't think that feature will come soon [15:10] timp, thanks, ok i'll continue with our custom implementation and see how far i can get :) [15:11] barry, true, I probably got the wrong bug, it is bug #1261999 [15:11] bug 1261999 in ubuntu-download-manager "When downloading a file to a partition with no space left no error is emitted" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1261999 [15:11] ahayzen: if your changes can be useful for other apps too, feel free to propose a merge request for the UITK :) [15:11] mandel: i have meetings coming up, but i will try to test it after that [15:12] ahayzen: if you need help/hints on how to do that feel free to ask. [15:12] timp, I think one other app was using our code before... i'll see if i can make it a bit more generic cause it is tied to our other elements quite tightly [15:12] ahayzen: can you comment on the bug that you're working on it for the music-app? [15:12] timp, cool, thanks for ur help :) [15:13] ahayzen: then we know apps that we need to support, and if you don't propose an MR, we will have some example code to see how it can be done :) [15:13] timp, yep will do, we have partial support at the moment [15:13] timp, you just can't scroll the viewport when u move the item to the top/bottom and the code needs cleaning up a bit :) === dandrader is now known as dandrader|lunch [15:16] ahayzen: sounds good already. If you can comment on the bug what's working for you and what you need, and point to the code, that is useful too [15:18] timp, ok, i'll see if I can abstract it out a bit as it is embedded into our listView...and we had to do a custom swipeDelete to get both to work :/ although i want to revisit this === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea [15:20] ahayzen: swipeDelete and reorganizing should work together, they both use different dragging directions. [15:20] ahayzen: but maybe they'll need a threshold so you don't start deleting instead of rearranging if you start by swiping 1 pixel to the right [15:21] timp, i think they were stealing each others mouse events...although I know a few more things like mouse.accepted tht i didn't when i did this last cycle [15:27] dobey: hello! [15:27] dobey: I just noticed that unity-scope-click FTBFS on all archs in daily-build: [15:28] dobey: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+archive/daily-build/+build/5365723 [15:29] sil2100: yes, i have a branch in review that should fix it [15:30] dobey: excellent, thanks! === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [15:49] mardy, did you see ssweeny's MR about loading qml-plugins from ~/.local/share? with that + app-access + click-hooks-rebase, we will have account-plugins as clicks :D [15:50] cwayne, really? cool [15:51] pmcgowan, yeah, we'll have the proper click hooks, plus ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts will be looking in the right place, so it should be good to go [15:51] this is rather exciting [15:52] cwayne, do you have any slimport adapters? [15:53] pmcgowan, yeah [15:54] cwayne, any at the office I can borrow? === gatox is now known as gatox_lunch [15:54] pmcgowan, probably, ask AK he controls a bunch of them i think [15:54] cwayne, thanks === rachelliu_ is now known as rachelliu [16:01] rsalveti: sergiusens: joining the hangout is going to be a little tough for me considering I'm breaking my audio trying to make HFP work. [16:20] mardy: Doesn't look like the online accounts tests are running on the device [16:21] Ran 4 tests in 0.172s ... [16:26] timp, you still around? [16:29] bzoltan1: ping, I have a request for something to be added to the SDK that allows for detecting if a keyboard or mouse is available [16:29] ahayzen: yes, for 2 more minutes [16:29] timp, you around tomorrow? i may have figured it out [16:31] ahayzen: yes, I will be around tomorrow [16:31] ahayzen: perhaps not any more at this time, so to be sure ping me a bit earlier [16:31] timp, cool i'll continue playing about and see how far I can get...ok thanks :) [16:36] mhall119: it is on the roadmap already :) [16:42] popey, I seem to be reflecting your bugs recently: bug #1262611 ;) [16:42] bug 1262611 in indicator-network (Ubuntu) "Should use an icon instead of "No signal" label." [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1262611 [16:42] deflecting? === Anthony is now known as Guest44504 [16:43] Saviq: \o/ [16:43] I'll try harder === vying is now known as Guest47306 [16:44] Saviq: try bug 1262711 ㋛ [16:44] bug 1262711 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "Unity crashes with lots of music displayed in expanded music category in home scope" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1262711 [16:44] popey, the music crash one - that I won't deflect ;) [16:44] haha] [16:44] popey, OTOH: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1240408 [16:44] Ubuntu bug 1240408 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "unity8 crashed with SIGSEGV in QCoreApplication::postEvent()" [Medium,Confirmed] [16:44] popey, we had it on our radar for some time, but never got to actually fixing it [16:44] I'm not opening the preview, just expanding the category [16:44] popey, we hope it's gone with Qt 5.2 ;) [16:44] hahah [16:44] popey, yeah, expanding category was enough [16:44] shitcanonicalsays.tumblr.com [16:44] "It's fixed in mir" [16:45] "It's fixed in qt 5.2" [16:45] etc [16:45] ☻ [16:45] ;) [16:47] Saviq: is it known that the apps lens jumps just after you click an application icon? [16:48] popey, sounds like it's opening the "Running apps" category [16:48] popey, but yeah, I've seen that - please file [16:50] k [16:58] bzoltan1: can you link me to the roadmap? [16:59] Saviq: it's been there since the addition of the swipe bettwen previews, you click to launch an app and unity8 opens the preview too [17:00] daker, hmm interesting [17:01] Anyone happen to know if things will go bad when new ringtones are added to RO image -> make image RW, add ringtones, put the image back to RO mode [17:01] timppa, they will be gone after an OTA upgrade === dandrader|lunch is now known as dandrader === gatox_lunch is now known as gatox [17:02] ogra_: :/ [17:03] I would love to add some new tones... [17:20] Saviq, hey, how do I run unity8 with introspection enabled on my device? I know I’ve done it in the past, just can’t reme [17:20] remember how [17:24] oSoMoN_, `inictl restart unity8 QT_TESTABILITY=1` is enough [17:24] oSoMoN_, there's helpers for doing that in unity8-autopilot, if you want it [17:25] Saviq, thanks! [17:33] does anybody has experience with running ubuntu touch on the Nexus 7 tilapia? I was confused by the supported device list an page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install Is grouper = nakasi or nakasig really correct? Must it not be tilapia = nakasig? [17:38] Saviq: added a crash file to bug 1262711 [17:39] bug 1262711 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "Unity crashes with lots of music displayed in expanded music category in home scope" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1262711 [17:40] popey, awesome, thanks, /me retraces === Guest44504 is now known as Chocanto [17:42] popey : Hey :) [17:43] Chocanto: hey there! [17:43] How are you? [17:43] popey: good and you ? [17:43] Saviq: is this where you see my dodgy music collection? ☻ [17:43] popey, ;D [17:43] Chocanto: great, ready for holidays ☻ [17:44] popey : Oh yes, when will you get your holidays ? :) [17:44] next week. [17:45] great :) [17:45] Chocanto: so when is a good time / day for you to do irc meetings? [17:45] today, if you can/want [17:45] sure, what time? [17:45] popey, which image number, btw? if you could apport-cli, "View", "Keep" the .crash file next time, would be real nice [17:45] Saviq: #76 [17:45] do you have any time where you are free N, [17:46] *? [17:46] popey, thanks [17:46] Saviq: ok [17:46] Chocanto: 20:00 UTC? [17:46] Chocanto: actually, 18:00 UTC - in 10 mins or so? [17:47] popey : so at 18:00 UTC :) [17:47] great, I'll add it to the calendar [17:47] see you in #ubuntu-touch-meeting in ~13m [17:47] ok great === om26er_ is now known as om26er [17:57] kdub: I've been poking around at bug #1258655, but what I see is unity8 hanging, not crashing [17:57] bug 1258655 in powerd "Abort when blanking/unblanking screen; exception thrown from mir::graphics::android::HWCCommonDevice::mode(MirPowerMode)" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1258655 [17:58] it manifests itself in different ways, depending on what step of posting the frame mir is in [17:58] i saw some hangs too [17:58] kdub: when I look I see a thread block in uninterruptible sleep in mipi_dsi_off(), which is inside a driver related to the display [17:59] kdub: when it does crash, do you know exactly what unity is trying to do? [17:59] its trying to post the first frame when it wakes up [18:00] unblank the screen, post, wait for the frame to appear on screen [18:01] Chocanto: joining us in #ubuntu-touch-meeting ? [18:02] kdub: so it looks like it's doing a syscall when it gets the signal. Do you know which syscall? [18:04] maybe FBIOBLANK === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [18:04] sforshee, it could be doing a few [18:05] MSMFB_BUFFER_SYNC is another likely candidate [18:05] did you check dmesg to see if there's anything interesting there when it happens? [18:08] sergiusens: do we have a click package for the docviewer? [18:08] sforshee, yeah, i didn't see anything suspicious [18:08] some timeout in the fb driver, but i'd expect that [18:09] the driver logs didn't have anything obvious, other than failure to use the FB [18:10] i can find the exact log [18:12] popey, can't seem to collect the data here, fails with "not enough space" :/ [18:12] popey, could you go apport-cli _the_crash_file, go "view" and then "keep", see if that works for you? [18:12] kdub: oh, I see that the signal is SIGABRT, so that isn't actually coming from the kernel [18:12] ok Saviq [18:13] we throw when the ioctl fails, leads to the sigabrt === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [18:14] okay [18:15] Saviq: i said "view" now I have "yes / No / cancel" to "do you want to continue the report process anyway"? [18:15] popey, yes [18:15] k [18:19] popey, yeah, they get built, but not added into the image [18:21] ta [18:22] Saviq: so i said "k" keep - it now still has a 24MB .crash file.. is that right? [18:22] popey, yeah [18:22] popey, it collected some minimal additional info - still the core dump is the significant chunk [18:22] popey, but now I should be able to retrace locally [18:23] should i re-upload to lp? [18:24] Saviq: ^ [18:24] popey, or somewhere where I can get it [18:26] Saviq: http://popey.com/~alan/_usr_bin_unity8.32011.crash [18:26] popey, thanks! === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [18:55] kenvandine: can you trigger daily-build PPA build of unity-scope-click please? [19:02] dobey, sure [19:02] thanks [19:03] dobey, triggered [19:03] thanks === dandrader is now known as dandrader|bbl === ricardodrosales is now known as ricdros [19:40] Hi, Kaleo. I got a question for you. How can I detect the current device resolution from a QML app? [19:42] neokore, not the device, but your app's - just look at your root object's width and height [19:43] Hey, good answer! Thank you Saviq! [19:43] neokore, what do I win? [19:43] ;) [19:44] :D [19:52] Saviq: my eternal gratitude. Priceless. [19:52] popey, yay! [19:52] * Saviq hides under the bed [19:53] haha [19:53] popey, does it get stale? [19:53] popey, what's the maintenance instructions? [19:54] I wouldn't drink on it. === dandrader|bbl is now known as dandrader [20:37] How are Mir milestones reached? Are they reached by tasks accomplished? or is it by date/time? Relevant link: https://launchpad.net/mir [20:50] kenvandine: hey. can you trigger another unity-scope-click PPA daily-build please? :) [20:54] fishscene, Perhaps #ubuntu-mir ? [21:01] ah- I'll ask in there. Thanks, tedg [21:14] dobey, i'd love to :) [21:15] dobey, done [21:15] thanks! [21:15] np [21:15] plars: ^^ kenvandine did it :) [21:16] doanac: ack [21:20] kdub: I just added a comment to bug #1258655, I have a pretty good idea of where the race is [21:20] bug 1258655 in powerd "Abort when blanking/unblanking screen; exception thrown from mir::graphics::android::HWCCommonDevice::mode(MirPowerMode)" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1258655 [21:20] unfortunately it's a little complicated [21:21] also unfortunate is the fact that I'm nearly EOD and then am on vacation until Jan 2 [21:21] jdstrand: tedg my app starts working again! thanks [21:22] Cool, great! [21:42] hrmm [21:44] is it appropriate to include a qt5 qml componeent plug-in in a source-named package, rather than in a qtdeclarative5-foo package? [21:44] daker: nice! [21:45] i'm not sure how to avoid a circular dependency otherwise [22:02] Are the preparation and tests documented in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Testing#Testing_your_Ubuntu_Touch_Code_before_submission expected to work under the emulator? [22:09] I'm adding '-s emulator-5554' to all of the commands, as documented at the bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Emulator#Using_the_emulator [22:10] but preparation commands are hanging and a previous run of the tests all failed [22:10] tyhicks, couldnt you also just do -e instead? [22:10] I don't have the error handy at the moment [22:10] cwayne: oh, I didn't realize that the -s command was just being passed to adb [22:11] cwayne: yeah, -e should work fine (but that's not related to the problems that I'm hitting) [22:13] hmm... phablet-test-run won't accept -e [22:17] sforshee, great :) [22:44] rsalveti, where do the headers in android-headers come from? I'd guess (from the versioning), they're supposed to be android-4.2.2-r1, but i'm hitting snags with compiling mir against that package [23:08] kdub, android headers have been split out into a different package [23:10] kdub, ah, never mind, I misread [23:11] sergiusens, yeah, i just see a mismatch in some of the files when I compare to google's release http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6602379/ [23:12] kdub, in the source package there's a debian/extract-headers.sh and it relies on an ANDROID_ROOT; so it's not really reproduceable; could come from wherever the package author decided it should come from [23:14] sergiusens, i see [23:20] kdub, a good improvement would be to use git repos directly to import (either phablet.* or *googlesource*) <- rsalveti