| sergiobenrocha2 | hum, if i choose Xubuntu, and then type any thing in username, then it changes to xfce, you can see if you try to choose again between xubuntu and xfce | 00:02 |
|---|---|---|
| sergiobenrocha2 | i think it change every time window login "thinks" i'm changing the user... | 00:05 |
| sergiobenrocha2 | i think it is a bit confusing... even when this login bug will be fixed, if an user logout, he probabily will find this issue. | 00:09 |
| sergiobenrocha2 | this lightdm is very inconsistent... | 00:29 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: if I set my panel background to this image, only the indicators have transparency (transparent png) https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2536196/panelbg.png | 01:35 |
| bluesabre | and other than that, alpha doesn't work at all with the panel | 01:35 |
| Unit193 | Mhmm, known "issue" 'tis why I went back to gtk2 full. | 01:38 |
| bluesabre | yeah, I knew the second part was knowm | 01:39 |
| bluesabre | known too | 01:39 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: yeah, i'm aware that in fact the current workaround doesn't really work | 06:54 |
| ochosi | a fix is being worked on though | 06:54 |
| elfy | knome: there's a started A1 blog entry with the bugs etc and some comments | 07:46 |
| elfy | knome: won't be able to do more to it - working till 5ish tonight | 08:04 |
| ochosi | elfy: what is the status quo of A1, does it run so far? | 08:27 |
| elfy | it runs - but you have to make sure to set xubuntu as session, check the languages and use xubuntu as a username to boot it | 08:28 |
| ochosi | right, so the proposed fixes for that haven't been merged yet? | 08:28 |
| elfy | nope | 08:29 |
| ochosi | :/ | 08:29 |
| elfy | https://launchpadlibrarian.net/160184172/Screenshot%20-%20191213%20-%2007%3A41%3A49.png# | 08:30 |
| elfy | too | 08:30 |
| elfy | bit messy - but it could be worse | 08:30 |
| elfy | you can boot it :) but don't try an do an autoresize install or you'll be in deep - no way to set the partition sizes ;) | 08:31 |
| Unit193 | Still takes full width too. | 08:31 |
| elfy | Unit193: I'd never try and force people to use the -dev release, I just don't understand why at least those in -team aren't at least using it sometime and reporting things | 08:32 |
| ochosi | but that's a ubiquity problem, right? | 08:32 |
| elfy | Unit193: yea - but that's not too much of an issue you can move things about | 08:32 |
| elfy | ochosi: yep | 08:32 |
| ochosi | and the menu thing? | 08:32 |
| elfy | got to go now - work | 08:32 |
| ochosi | ok, ttyl | 08:32 |
| elfy | that I assume is tied up with the session things | 08:33 |
| elfy | if it's not then it's a seperate bug | 08:33 |
| ochosi | well | 08:33 |
| ochosi | you can easily test that | 08:33 |
| ochosi | just set the menu file by hand | 08:33 |
| Unit193 | elfy: I have a VM I use for testing/breaking/doing a little bit of packaging. | 08:34 |
| ochosi | right-click the appmenu-button -> set menu-file to /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/menus/xfce-applications.menu | 08:34 |
| ochosi | if that fixes it, then it's probably the session | 08:34 |
| elfy | Unit193: I do as well - main machine is a daily updated trusty from shortly after saucy went live | 08:35 |
| elfy | test in vm's the dailies - or an old lappy for 32bit | 08:35 |
| elfy | cya | 08:35 |
| ochosi | k, cya | 08:36 |
| Unit193 | Chau. | 08:36 |
| ochosi | intresting spelling :) | 08:36 |
| ochosi | Unit193: didn't you propose the patch for fixing the login? | 08:37 |
| Unit193 | Yep. | 08:37 |
| ochosi | did micahg already agree to merging it? | 08:37 |
| ochosi | or have you not "bothered" him with it :) | 08:38 |
| Unit193 | I did twice. | 08:38 |
| ochosi | so no response? | 08:38 |
| Unit193 | Think he wanted a way to clean the old config, I don't think that's going to happen. | 08:39 |
| ochosi | for what, upgrades? | 08:40 |
| Unit193 | Yes. | 08:40 |
| ochosi | but that's somewhat irrelevant at this stage, no? | 08:40 |
| ochosi | i mean the main issue should be to get our dailies easily testable again | 08:41 |
| ochosi | deprecated config-files often happen due to upgrades, me thinks | 08:41 |
| Unit193 | There are ways to fix that normally, but the "standard" was to use a tool that'd edit a config file as it's not Proper to touch them otherwise, that tool is now gone. | 08:42 |
| ochosi | :/ | 08:43 |
| ochosi | hey andrzejr | 08:58 |
| andrzejr | hi ochosi | 09:06 |
| ochosi | andrzejr: i just wanted to let you know that i talked to eric about the gtk3 indicators bg problem and he's looking into it | 09:08 |
| andrzejr | good, thanks | 09:08 |
| ochosi | he has made some progress on it even | 09:09 |
| ochosi | which is especially nice as i've heard from some of our testers that the current workaround is breaking with some graphics cards/drivers | 09:09 |
| ochosi | oddly enough the bg of the indicators gets transparent with e.g. nouveau drivers after some time | 09:09 |
| ochosi | seems to be a race condition or something | 09:10 |
| andrzejr | interesting... there should nothing timing dependent | 09:11 |
| andrzejr | this is definitely a deeper issue - something about the way the panel handles transparency | 09:11 |
| ochosi | yeah, entirely possible | 09:12 |
| ali1234 | ochosi: i have seen it on nvidia | 09:12 |
| ochosi | :( | 09:12 |
| ochosi | ok, well then at least we know now that the current workaround isn't really working around it | 09:12 |
| ali1234 | if you set the main panel backgound to "image" then the indicator plugin background goes transparent (you can see the wallpaper) | 09:12 |
| ali1234 | i am probably not using the newest code | 09:12 |
| ochosi | i wonder if that's a gtk3.10 issue | 09:12 |
| ali1234 | this is on saucy | 09:13 |
| ali1234 | actually that's wrong | 09:14 |
| ochosi | odd, for me that works | 09:14 |
| ali1234 | if you set the main panel background to image, the image only shows under the indicator plugin, and nowhere else | 09:14 |
| ochosi | bg-image is one of the few things where only the gtk3 indicators get a bg and the rest remains the same | 09:14 |
| ochosi | yup | 09:14 |
| andrzejr | ali1234, just tried that - no problem here (other than indicator background has its own bg colour) | 09:16 |
| andrzejr | I get a bg image everywhere except for the indicator plugin | 09:18 |
| ali1234 | so that's the extact reverse to what i get | 09:18 |
| ochosi | very strange that | 09:18 |
| ochosi | i really hope that whatever eric is working on (looked quite promising on the screenshot) works for all drivers | 09:21 |
| andrzejr | BTW, I have fixed some layout problems in the indicator plugin. I found them after moving to 13.10. Interestingly no one complained about them and I haven't spotted them when testing on a vbox installation. | 09:25 |
| ochosi | yeah, i saw your commits yesterday | 09:25 |
| ali1234 | "check if labels are visible" sounds like something i saw where you can sometimes get empty areas | 09:39 |
| andrzejr | ali1234, I've seen that with power indicator labels (if you switch them on&off) in deskbar mode. | 09:44 |
| andrzejr | would also affect multi-row panels. | 09:44 |
| slickymaster | morning all | 09:55 |
| slickymaster | elfy, ochosi, right-clicking the appmenu-button and setting the menu-file to /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/menus/xfce-applications.menu does fix it | 10:00 |
| slickymaster | so it's probably a session issue | 10:00 |
| slickymaster | Unit193: ^^^ | 10:02 |
| Unit193 | I didn't do it! :P | 10:02 |
| Unit193 | slickymaster: Is that a question or a statement? Lack of question marks and how it is phrased indicates a statement. | 10:04 |
| Unit193 | Also, meeting later today. | 10:04 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: darn, I was hoping that maybe I provided some useful debug info | 10:04 |
| slickymaster | Unit193: neither, it was an assumption | 10:06 |
| Unit193 | In that case, I can tell you that you are correct. | 10:06 |
| slickymaster | or a supposition :P | 10:06 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: yeah, no worries ;) | 10:07 |
| * ochosi won't be able to make the meeting tonight | 10:07 | |
| ochosi | i'll be on the train, so... | 10:07 |
| slickymaster | since you're mentioning it Unit193, the meeting is at 19:00 UTC, isn it? | 10:08 |
| slickymaster | isn't ^^ | 10:08 |
| Unit193 | 14:00 EST. | 10:09 |
| slickymaster | Unit193: you wouldn't give a straight answer, would you? :P | 10:10 |
| Unit193 | date -ud "14:00 EST" says you're right. (I know local time, GCal shows local time too. :P ) | 10:11 |
| Unit193 | Thu Dec 19 19:00:00 UTC 2013 | 10:11 |
| slickymaster | LOL | 10:11 |
| bluesabre | so, gtk3.10 is in 14.04 | 10:30 |
| bluesabre | but I noticed that ImageMenuItems still exist | 10:30 |
| bluesabre | is ubuntu shipping patches? | 10:30 |
| bluesabre | or is the code not actually removed for that until a later release | 10:31 |
| ochosi | good question | 10:32 |
| Unit193 | debian/patches/git-gtkmodelmenuitem-icon-support.patch | 10:33 |
| Unit193 | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+source/gtk+3.0/+changelog | 10:33 |
| ochosi | hah, nice | 10:34 |
| Unit193 | That patch was removed, so it seems..? | 10:41 |
| ochosi | oh | 10:57 |
| brainwash | bug 1222021 | 12:30 |
| ubottu | bug 1222021 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "xfce4-power-manager does not inhibit systemd from handling buttons and lid events" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1222021 | 12:30 |
| brainwash | more test results please | 12:30 |
| brainwash | it's one of the major issues in saucy/trusty | 12:31 |
| elfy | ochosi: you can rest safe now - xchat has gone 1990s with nvidia as well ... | 14:13 |
| elfy | brainwash: I commented on bug 1222021 | 14:17 |
| ubottu | bug 1222021 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "xfce4-power-manager does not inhibit systemd from handling buttons and lid events" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1222021 | 14:17 |
| brainwash | elfy: just saw it :D | 14:17 |
| elfy | you'd have seen me test it as well probably ;) | 14:17 |
| brainwash | I was about to tell you to write a comment and add your test results | 14:18 |
| elfy | not checked it with a brand new install though | 14:18 |
| elfy | so consequently not able to add it to the release notes for A1 | 14:18 |
| brainwash | now that we got a patched version we need to actually test it | 14:18 |
| brainwash | as known issue? | 14:18 |
| elfy | yea | 14:19 |
| elfy | I assume it is an issue, but it wasn't reported | 14:19 |
| brainwash | we know that bugs usually don't disappear magically | 14:19 |
| ochosi | elfy: thanks for the double-ping :) | 14:19 |
| elfy | thought you'd need to know :p | 14:20 |
| brainwash | ochosi: did you already test the patched version of xfce4-power-manager? | 14:20 |
| brainwash | we need feedback and test results =S | 14:21 |
| elfy | added it to the release notes | 14:21 |
| brainwash | so it can be also backported to saucy | 14:21 |
| elfy | brainwash: well - is it fixed? because it doesn't look like it to me ;) | 14:22 |
| brainwash | but for me it is | 14:22 |
| brainwash | cannot test lid events though | 14:22 |
| ochosi | the lid events aren't prevented it seems | 14:22 |
| brainwash | but assume they work now too | 14:22 |
| ochosi | my system just went to sleep | 14:22 |
| brainwash | did you relog or restart power manager? | 14:23 |
| elfy | mark it is as fixed then - I'll just create a new bug for it | 14:23 |
| brainwash | 1 positive result is not enough | 14:23 |
| brainwash | currently we got like 2 negatives ones | 14:24 |
| elfy | I did ask jackson if he wanted a call for it - but he said no | 14:24 |
| ochosi | brainwash: i installed the PPA already a few days ago | 14:24 |
| brainwash | bummer | 14:25 |
| elfy | I've given up asking for anything now | 14:25 |
| brainwash | did you also test the power button event? | 14:25 |
| elfy | back later | 14:26 |
| ochosi | brainwash: i can't right now, i'm in the middle of something... | 14:26 |
| knome | ochosi, tmi | 14:26 |
| knome | :P | 14:26 |
| brainwash | ok, too risky then | 14:26 |
| ochosi | since the lid isn't prevented, i'm too pessimistic about the power button to try *now* | 14:27 |
| brainwash | you told power manager to do nothing on this event? | 14:33 |
| brainwash | redundant questions inc | 14:34 |
| ochosi | ofc | 14:37 |
| ochosi | brainwash: lid-switch isn't inhibited it seems, but the power-button | 15:26 |
| ochosi | oh, i was wrong, seems the lid switch works too now | 15:27 |
| brainwash | now? random? | 15:27 |
| ochosi | i dunno, i'll reboot and try again | 15:27 |
| brainwash | it should work every time | 15:27 |
| ochosi | oh really? | 15:27 |
| ochosi | i thought it's ok if it works like 50% of the time... | 15:28 |
| ochosi | brb | 15:28 |
| ochosi | ok, it works now | 15:30 |
| ochosi | i presume that the time-frame between changing the settings and trying the lid was too short | 15:30 |
| ochosi | (i mean before, when it didn't work) | 15:30 |
| ochosi | i had to edit logind.conf too | 15:31 |
| ochosi | but now it consistently works | 15:31 |
| brainwash | great | 15:31 |
| brainwash | so elfy is doing it wrong :) | 15:31 |
| brainwash | it's 2x works vs. 1x does not work | 15:32 |
| ochosi | maybe he should check his logind.conf | 15:33 |
| ochosi | although theoretically that shouldn't matter i guess | 15:33 |
| ochosi | since it should be overrided anyway | 15:33 |
| slickymaster | ochosi: http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=xfdesktop-docs:usage is finished and ready for your review | 17:01 |
| slickymaster | ping if you feel that changes need to be done, ochosi | 17:01 |
| === brainwash_ is now known as brainwash | ||
| slickymaster | bbl | 17:29 |
| pleia2 | elfy: *hangs head in shame* I didn't do ISO tests this alpha, I'm sorry | 18:12 |
| elfy | pleia2: lol | 18:18 |
| elfy | I Was behind myself | 18:20 |
| pleia2 | do we have release notes? lmk if I should pitch in somewhere | 18:24 |
| elfy | knome: we going to say mark as ready - and start building dailies again - I've got mail from Kate Stewart prodding me | 18:24 |
| elfy | pleia2: I've started the draft at xubuntu.org | 18:24 |
| elfy | not much else I can say without getting unduly cynical and depressed about the whole thing | 18:25 |
| pleia2 | elfy: hugs | 18:27 |
| pleia2 | elfy: mind if I clean this up a bit? (knome will have a seizure if he sees all these divs) | 18:28 |
| elfy | do what you want pleia2 | 18:29 |
| pleia2 | ok, thanks | 18:29 |
| elfy | while you're there you can delete the one that's just been sat there doing and going nowhere | 18:30 |
| pleia2 | sure | 18:30 |
| elfy | ta | 18:32 |
| pleia2 | elfy: "To boot successfully to a Xubuntu Desktop" you're talking about the LiveCD, right? (gathering cues from context) | 18:36 |
| elfy | yea - sorry - whole thing is about the images | 18:37 |
| elfy | I'd been up 10 minutes when I did that ... | 18:37 |
| pleia2 | that's why I'm here :) | 18:37 |
| elfy | lol | 18:37 |
| elfy | just got up? | 18:37 |
| pleia2 | well, following CC meeting | 18:38 |
| elfy | aah yes - wrong time/wrong week for me for that | 18:38 |
| pleia2 | elfy: do we have a list of testers? | 18:39 |
| elfy | we have the list of people on -testers | 18:39 |
| pleia2 | you mentioned 7 people tested it | 18:39 |
| elfy | oh - the ones that actually did it | 18:40 |
| pleia2 | yeah :) | 18:40 |
| elfy | no - but it won't take long for me to get one | 18:40 |
| pleia2 | if it's not too much trouble, might be worthwhile listing them in the blog post for encouragement | 18:40 |
| elfy | yep | 18:40 |
| elfy | couple of minutes | 18:40 |
| elfy | pleia2: where you want the list? | 18:43 |
| pleia2 | elfy: PM is fine | 18:43 |
| elfy | ok | 18:43 |
| slickymaster | knome, elfy, is any of you around? | 18:56 |
| elfy | sort of - only been in 30 minutes or so | 18:57 |
| elfy | and the meeting is due to start soon as well | 18:57 |
| slickymaster | yeah, I know | 18:57 |
| elfy | so - is it a quick one :) | 18:57 |
| slickymaster | but before that, can you please merge https://code.launchpad.net/~slickymaster/ubuntu-manual-tests/ubuntu-manual-tests/+merge/199703 and update the tracker as well? | 18:57 |
| elfy | no - I really need to get my head together a bit and be able to sit without a bunch of pains | 18:58 |
| slickymaster | oh sorry to ear that you're still doing not so well | 18:59 |
| slickymaster | are you still on medication elfy? | 18:59 |
| elfy | I'll look at it a bit later though :) | 18:59 |
| elfy | yep | 18:59 |
| elfy | slickymaster: you know when you mark it for review - you can put someone's name in there? | 19:00 |
| slickymaster | it's a shame if you won't get better before christmas | 19:00 |
| elfy | I won't - but it's better than it was :) | 19:00 |
| slickymaster | yeah, I know, but I always felt that it wouldn't be sorte of "correct" | 19:01 |
| elfy | back shortly | 19:01 |
| slickymaster | sort | 19:01 |
| pleia2 | haz meeting? | 19:01 |
| elfy | slickymaster: no - that's fine - name me on them | 19:01 |
| elfy | pleia2: no-one else around? | 19:01 |
| slickymaster | ElderDryas, will do | 19:01 |
| elfy | back very shortly | 19:02 |
| slickymaster | ups, sorry ElderDryas, that was meant for elfy | 19:02 |
| pleia2 | knome said he would be :) | 19:02 |
| pleia2 | knome knome knome | 19:02 |
| elfy | slickymaster: LOL | 19:02 |
| * slickymaster curses auto completion | 19:02 | |
| === ElderDryas is now known as drc | ||
| drc | better slickymaster ? :) | 19:03 |
| elfy | ha ha ha | 19:03 |
| slickymaster | LOL | 19:03 |
| slickymaster | much better drc | 19:03 |
| * slickymaster bows | 19:03 | |
| slickymaster | tks | 19:04 |
| drc | especially with a meeting coming up. | 19:04 |
| pleia2 | well, we should start | 19:04 |
| pleia2 | #startmeeting | 19:04 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Thu Dec 19 19:04:49 2013 UTC. The chair is pleia2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 19:04 |
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| pleia2 | #chair elfy knome | 19:04 |
| meetingology | Current chairs: elfy knome pleia2 | 19:04 |
| pleia2 | elfy: I think there is some work to do here if you're able: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/Alpha1/Xubuntu | 19:05 |
| elfy | where did that page come from ? | 19:06 |
| pleia2 | it's what is linked on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/Alpha1 | 19:07 |
| pleia2 | we could just change and link to our blog post if we don't want to use it though | 19:07 |
| pleia2 | anyway, who all is here for the meeting? :) | 19:08 |
| elfy | I'll not have time to look at that today | 19:08 |
| jjfrv8 | o/ | 19:08 |
| slickymaster | o/ | 19:08 |
| elfy | I am - though likely to have to escape in 10 for a short while | 19:08 |
| Noskcaj | o/ | 19:08 |
| pleia2 | #topic Items carried on | 19:08 |
| sergiobenrocha2 | o/ | 19:08 |
| pleia2 | ali1234, elfy, knome, ochosi, skellat - any updates from your actions last meeting? | 19:09 |
| * pleia2 digging up link | 19:09 | |
| ali1234 | nothing new here | 19:10 |
| elfy | #info Waiting for updates from bluesabre re menulibre | 19:10 |
| pleia2 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings/Archive/Minutes/2013-01-10#Action_items.2C_by_person | 19:10 |
| pleia2 | wrong link | 19:10 |
| pleia2 | that was just a flashback :) | 19:10 |
| elfy | lol | 19:10 |
| pleia2 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings/Archive/Minutes/2013-12-12#Action_items.2C_by_person | 19:10 |
| elfy | no other updates from me | 19:11 |
| pleia2 | ok, I'll readd all these since everyone is asleeping | 19:11 |
| pleia2 | #action skellat and ali1234 to look at the SRU progress for indicator-sound-GTK2 | 19:11 |
| meetingology | ACTION: skellat and ali1234 to look at the SRU progress for indicator-sound-GTK2 | 19:11 |
| elfy | yep | 19:11 |
| pleia2 | #action elfy to chase bluesabre re menulibre | 19:11 |
| meetingology | ACTION: elfy to chase bluesabre re menulibre | 19:11 |
| pleia2 | #action elfy to set up a new vm and get everyone's new bits in so I've got something to look at | 19:11 |
| meetingology | ACTION: elfy to set up a new vm and get everyone's new bits in so I've got something to look at | 19:11 |
| elfy | no lol | 19:11 |
| pleia2 | haha | 19:12 |
| ali1234 | well the SRU paperwork is filed, i'm just waiting for something to happen now | 19:12 |
| elfy | I'm waiting for bluesabre now :) | 19:12 |
| pleia2 | tsk | 19:12 |
| pleia2 | #undo | 19:12 |
| meetingology | Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Action object at 0x16d9490> | 19:12 |
| pleia2 | #undo | 19:12 |
| meetingology | Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Action object at 0x163b990> | 19:12 |
| elfy | sorry :) | 19:12 |
| pleia2 | #undo | 19:12 |
| meetingology | Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Action object at 0x17ca690> | 19:12 |
| pleia2 | alright, let's try this again | 19:12 |
| pleia2 | #action ali1234 to keep an eye on SRU progress for indicator-sound-GTK2 | 19:13 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ali1234 to keep an eye on SRU progress for indicator-sound-GTK2 | 19:13 |
| pleia2 | elfy: what's bluesabre's item here? | 19:13 |
| pleia2 | #action elfy to set up a new vm and get everyone's new bits in so I've got something to look at | 19:13 |
| meetingology | ACTION: elfy to set up a new vm and get everyone's new bits in so I've got something to look at | 19:13 |
| pleia2 | #action ochosi to follow up on xfce 4.12 release with nick and report back | 19:13 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ochosi to follow up on xfce 4.12 release with nick and report back | 19:13 |
| elfy | #action Team members wanting things tested need to ensure a mail get's sent to the -dev list | 19:14 |
| meetingology | ACTION: Team members wanting things tested need to ensure a mail get's sent to the -dev list | 19:14 |
| pleia2 | #topic Team Updates | 19:15 |
| elfy | not just random pings in here please - thanks | 19:15 |
| pleia2 | anyone have updates? | 19:15 |
| jjfrv8 | none from me this week | 19:16 |
| elfy | <pleia2> we could just change and link to our blog post if we don't want to use it though - that might be the best short term plan for that | 19:16 |
| Noskcaj | #info Noskcaj needs testimonials for MOTU and Xubuntu Packageset. Please add one at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Noskcaj#Testimonials | 19:16 |
| Noskcaj | #info lderan has got basic autopilot tests working, an example one can be found at http://paste.ubuntu.com/6597150/ | 19:16 |
| pleia2 | elfy: ok, thanks | 19:16 |
| elfy | QA update is more or less the release notes - wherever they are | 19:16 |
| slickymaster | #info slickymaster has been doing same packages testing and I've noticed that a few of them needed to be re-written, which I've done. So if someone comes across a a test that it's not accurate please ping me and I'll correct it | 19:16 |
| elfy | there was a poor turnout on testing imo | 19:17 |
| pleia2 | #info Poor turnout for A1 testing | 19:17 |
| elfy | sorry - bad as ochosi this week ... | 19:17 |
| pleia2 | #info QA and Marketing wrote Alpha1 announcement to go out once the image is set free | 19:17 |
| elfy | #info waiting for agreement to release image with knome | 19:18 |
| slickymaster | i think that there was an increased in the number of tests done | 19:19 |
| slickymaster | *increase | 19:19 |
| pleia2 | ok, any more updates? | 19:20 |
| elfy | brb | 19:20 |
| pleia2 | #topic Announcements | 19:20 |
| pleia2 | #info Alpha1 is today! | 19:20 |
| pleia2 | that's all I've got | 19:20 |
| pleia2 | #info Happy Holidays | 19:21 |
| elfy | back | 19:22 |
| elfy | pleia2: what about the Lionel replacement issue | 19:22 |
| pleia2 | I don't know anything about that | 19:23 |
| elfy | could of sworn knome was going to talk to everyone | 19:23 |
| Unit193 | From last meeting. | 19:24 |
| elfy | yea | 19:24 |
| pleia2 | well, does anyone else have comments about it? :) | 19:24 |
| elfy | none -= not qualified to have any sensible comments at present :) | 19:24 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 19:25 |
| Noskcaj | I think it's micah temporarily get the position just because he has upload rights. We need to actually vote someone in though | 19:25 |
| elfy | #action knome to be in touch with people re Tech Lead position | 19:25 |
| meetingology | ACTION: knome to be in touch with people re Tech Lead position | 19:25 |
| pleia2 | ok | 19:26 |
| pleia2 | any other announcements? | 19:26 |
| elfy | pleia2: seems like not much else to meet about | 19:26 |
| pleia2 | #topic New ang emerging items | 19:26 |
| pleia2 | sweet, I copied the typo from the last meeting | 19:27 |
| pleia2 | I am really good at this meting thing | 19:27 |
| elfy | :) | 19:27 |
| pleia2 | #subtopic Schedule next meeting | 19:27 |
| pleia2 | maybe thursday after new years? | 19:27 |
| pleia2 | Jan 2nd | 19:28 |
| jjfrv8 | +1 | 19:28 |
| elfy | works for me - will be back on the treadmill | 19:28 |
| pleia2 | same bat time? | 19:28 |
| elfy | yep | 19:28 |
| pleia2 | #decided Next meeting on Thursday, January 2nd at 19:00 UTC | 19:28 |
| pleia2 | #agree Next meeting on Thursday, January 2nd at 19:00 UTC | 19:28 |
| pleia2 | well whatever :) | 19:29 |
| pleia2 | ok, thanks all! | 19:29 |
| pleia2 | happy Alpha 1 day | 19:29 |
| jjfrv8 | thanks, pleia2 | 19:29 |
| pleia2 | #endmeeting | 19:29 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended Thu Dec 19 19:29:36 2013 UTC. | 19:29 |
| meetingology | Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2013/xubuntu-devel.2013-12-19-19.04.moin.txt | 19:29 |
| meetingology | Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2013/xubuntu-devel.2013-12-19-19.04.html | 19:29 |
| slickymaster | thanks pleia2 | 19:29 |
| elfy | thanks pleia2 et al | 19:29 |
| Unit193 | pleia2: Heh, you did better than I, thanks. | 19:29 |
| elfy | back later | 19:31 |
| slickymaster | jjfrv8, http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=xfdesktop-docs is finished | 19:32 |
| Unit193 | Next meeting: http://goo.gl/OgPOjl | 19:33 |
| slickymaster | jjfrv8, correction http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=xfdesktop-docs:usage is finished | 19:33 |
| slickymaster | so if you want you can start to work on the Multimonitor section | 19:34 |
| jjfrv8 | slickymaster, saw that. thanks. I've got two new saucy images installed on my test machine but have not gotten the second monitor hooked up yet | 19:35 |
| slickymaster | jjfrv8, yeah the number of monitors was my issue :) | 19:35 |
| slickymaster | jjfrv8, anyway we'll have to wait on ochosi review, now | 19:36 |
| jjfrv8 | don't even know if my little Dell will do it, but I think so | 19:36 |
| slickymaster | jjfrv8, it just a matter of trying ;) | 19:36 |
| slickymaster | bbl | 19:41 |
| === drc is now known as ElderDryas | ||
| knome | yep, sorry | 19:47 |
| knome | pleia2, elfy: is the alpha announcement ready? are the images marked ready? | 19:48 |
| knome | brb | 19:49 |
| pleia2 | knome: elfy wanted an ack from you to set the images read | 19:49 |
| pleia2 | knome: release announcement is ready in wordpress if you want to look | 19:49 |
| elfy | knome: marked ready | 20:15 |
| elfy | mailed Kate to tell her | 20:16 |
| elfy | knome: can you deal with slangasek in -release re the mail you forwarded - I've gtg now | 20:22 |
| elfy | "Flavor team leads, please let slangasek know on #ubuntu-release when you've got an image you're happy with and want the daily builds turned off. " | 20:22 |
| jjfrv8 | slickymaster, as I was looking over your Usage section, I noticed a feature I wasn't aware of that causes a mismatch with the second screenshot | 20:29 |
| jjfrv8 | I put a <note> in to explain what I'm talking about. It's in the first "Background" section. | 20:30 |
| jjfrv8 | ochosi, ^^ | 20:30 |
| Noskcaj | One #info i forgot for the meeting. We should be able to re-add a pidgin twitter plugin next month | 20:43 |
| === sergiobenrocha2 is now known as sergio-br2 | ||
| sergio-br2 | hey guys, i'm trying to install xubuntu here, but ubiquity crashes, and apport did one profile of the bug, but it didn't open firefox... | 22:38 |
| sergio-br2 | so, where can i found the bug report that it did? | 22:38 |
| Unit193 | Should be in /var/crash/ | 22:42 |
| sergio-br2 | hum, ok, thanks | 22:44 |
| Unit193 | micahg: http://paste.openstack.org/show/55563 list of things different from saucy with (most) dupes (libmng1 -> libmng2) removed. I'd hope we can at least remove libedataserver perhaps? | 23:22 |
| Unit193 | indicator-sound brings in something dumb as well. | 23:23 |
| Unit193 | Recommends: gnome-control-center | ubuntu-system-settings | 23:23 |
| Unit193 | http://paste.openstack.org/show/55564 list of unity or gnome packages, some we do want. | 23:25 |
| cell | hi | 23:27 |
| cell | how did the meeting go? | 23:28 |
| cell | is anyone here | 23:28 |
| Unit193 | Short and well. | 23:28 |
| cell | ah, short. well, i guess I missed out? | 23:29 |
| cell | Is 14.04 going to have the 3.12 linux kernel? | 23:29 |
| Unit193 | Yes. | 23:30 |
| Unit193 | !info linux-generic trusty | 23:30 |
| ubottu | linux-generic (source: linux-meta): Complete Generic Linux kernel and headers. In component main, is optional. Version 3.12.0.7.9 (trusty), package size 1 kB, installed size 33 kB | 23:30 |
| cell | awesome. 3.12 is supposed to be much faster with AMD/ATI video | 23:34 |
| cell | Also, is Xubuntu doing anything on the MIR/Wayland front or is that being put off until next version | 23:34 |
| cell | i'm glad someone is still here to chat | 23:35 |
| Unit193 | Not this release, though you can play with the one since it's in repo. | 23:35 |
| brainwash | I should give xmir another chance, it has been a while since I've tested it the last time | 23:38 |
| Unit193 | Hah, just spun up ISOs. :P | 23:39 |
| cell | so xubuntu i guess is going to go Xmir, rather than develop wayland for xfce like some sources in the media said | 23:39 |
| Unit193 | Media is all crap, and that's also not a given either. | 23:40 |
| sergio-br2 | what's the position about mir and wayland in xubuntu? | 23:44 |
| cell | i think maybe they don't know and are waiting to see just like Linux Mint | 23:44 |
| knome | xubuntu won't "develop" either X, Xmir or Wayland really | 23:44 |
| brainwash | we are just waiting for the Xfce developers to do some magic | 23:45 |
| brainwash | wayland magic | 23:45 |
| sergio-br2 | haha | 23:45 |
| sergio-br2 | so, it seems that only unity will use mir... | 23:45 |
| brainwash | is that bad? | 23:46 |
| sergio-br2 | don't know | 23:46 |
| cell | that is what it seems like to me too, but i think everyone is waiting for the dust to settle | 23:46 |
| sergio-br2 | for canonical yes... | 23:46 |
| brainwash | it's canoncial's idea after all | 23:46 |
| sergio-br2 | yeah | 23:46 |
| brainwash | no one wants upstarts too | 23:46 |
| pleia2 | published the blog post so it stops 404ing in the annoucement | 23:46 |
| brainwash | upstart | 23:46 |
| brainwash | can you call lightdm a product made by canoncial? | 23:47 |
| knome | pleia2, i was doing that | 23:47 |
| pleia2 | knome: doh | 23:47 |
| knome | pleia2, there was one broken link and then i beautified the link titles | 23:47 |
| knome | but it's fine now! | 23:47 |
| pleia2 | knome: haha, ok | 23:47 |
| cell | i was wondering whether volunteering for xubuntu can be a stepping stone to a job or whether it is more of a philanthropic and humanitarian pursuit | 23:48 |
| knome | cell, can definitely help you get a job | 23:49 |
| knome | cell, but how much depends on how much/what you are working on; the team can't guarantee anything... | 23:49 |
| Unit193 | brainwash: Redhad used/uses it, but moving to systemd of course. | 23:49 |
| knome | Unit193, what's redhad? | 23:49 |
| Unit193 | -d+t | 23:50 |
| brainwash | they dropped upstart | 23:50 |
| Unit193 | Mhmm. | 23:50 |
| cell | what does it mean when someone's text is red? Is that for emphasis or does it imply a whisper? | 23:50 |
| brainwash | so we aren't doing any Xmir testing to keep track of the development progress? | 23:51 |
| knome | cell, just means they've written your nick in the message, like this | 23:51 |
| Unit193 | brainwash: I'll check it live again if it actually shows up. | 23:52 |
| sergio-br2 | Chrome OS uses upstart yet? | 23:57 |
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