[00:02] <sergiobenrocha2> hum, if i choose Xubuntu, and then type any thing in username, then it changes to xfce, you can see if you try to choose again between xubuntu and xfce
[00:05] <sergiobenrocha2> i think it change every time window login "thinks" i'm changing the user...
[00:09] <sergiobenrocha2> i think it is a bit confusing... even when this login bug will be fixed, if an user logout, he probabily will find this issue.
[00:29] <sergiobenrocha2> this lightdm is very inconsistent...
[01:35] <bluesabre> ochosi: if I set my panel background to this image, only the indicators have transparency (transparent png) https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2536196/panelbg.png
[01:35] <bluesabre> and other than that, alpha doesn't work at all with the panel
[01:38] <Unit193> Mhmm, known "issue" 'tis why I went back to gtk2 full.
[01:39] <bluesabre> yeah, I knew the second part was knowm
[01:39] <bluesabre> known too
[06:54] <ochosi> bluesabre: yeah, i'm aware that in fact the current workaround doesn't really work
[06:54] <ochosi> a fix is being worked on though
[07:46] <elfy> knome: there's a started A1 blog entry with the bugs etc and some comments 
[08:04] <elfy> knome: won't be able to do more to it - working till 5ish tonight
[08:27] <ochosi> elfy: what is the status quo of A1, does it run so far?
[08:28] <elfy> it runs - but you have to make sure to set xubuntu as session, check the languages and use xubuntu as a username to boot it
[08:28] <ochosi> right, so the proposed fixes for that haven't been merged yet?
[08:29] <elfy> nope
[08:29] <ochosi> :/
[08:30] <elfy> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/160184172/Screenshot%20-%20191213%20-%2007%3A41%3A49.png#
[08:30] <elfy> too
[08:30] <elfy> bit messy - but it could be worse
[08:31] <elfy> you can boot it :) but don't try an do an autoresize install or you'll be in deep - no way to set the partition sizes ;)
[08:31] <Unit193> Still takes full width too.
[08:32] <elfy> Unit193: I'd never try and force people to use the -dev release, I just don't understand why at least those in -team aren't at least using it sometime and reporting things
[08:32] <ochosi> but that's a ubiquity problem, right?
[08:32] <elfy> Unit193: yea - but that's not too much of an issue you can move things about
[08:32] <elfy> ochosi: yep
[08:32] <ochosi> and the menu thing?
[08:32] <elfy> got to go now - work 
[08:32] <ochosi> ok, ttyl
[08:33] <elfy> that I assume is tied up with the session things 
[08:33] <elfy> if it's not then it's a seperate bug
[08:33] <ochosi> well
[08:33] <ochosi> you can easily test that
[08:33] <ochosi> just set the menu file by hand
[08:34] <Unit193> elfy: I have a VM I use for testing/breaking/doing a little bit of packaging.
[08:34] <ochosi> right-click the appmenu-button -> set menu-file to /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/menus/xfce-applications.menu
[08:34] <ochosi> if that fixes it, then it's probably the session
[08:35] <elfy> Unit193: I do as well - main machine is a daily updated trusty from shortly after saucy went live 
[08:35] <elfy> test in vm's the dailies - or an old lappy for 32bit
[08:35] <elfy> cya 
[08:36] <ochosi> k, cya
[08:36] <Unit193> Chau.
[08:36] <ochosi> intresting spelling :)
[08:37] <ochosi> Unit193: didn't you propose the patch for fixing the login?
[08:37] <Unit193> Yep.
[08:37] <ochosi> did micahg already agree to merging it?
[08:38] <ochosi> or have you not "bothered" him with it :)
[08:38] <Unit193> I did twice.
[08:38] <ochosi> so no response?
[08:39] <Unit193> Think he wanted a way to clean the old config, I don't think that's going to happen.
[08:40] <ochosi> for what, upgrades?
[08:40] <Unit193> Yes.
[08:40] <ochosi> but that's somewhat irrelevant at this stage, no?
[08:41] <ochosi> i mean the main issue should be to get our dailies easily testable again
[08:41] <ochosi> deprecated config-files often happen due to upgrades, me thinks
[08:42] <Unit193> There are ways to fix that normally, but the "standard" was to use a tool that'd edit a config file as it's not Proper to touch them otherwise, that tool is now gone.
[08:43] <ochosi> :/
[08:58] <ochosi> hey andrzejr 
[09:06] <andrzejr> hi ochosi 
[09:08] <ochosi> andrzejr: i just wanted to let you know that i talked to eric about the gtk3 indicators bg problem and he's looking into it
[09:08] <andrzejr> good, thanks
[09:09] <ochosi> he has made some progress on it even
[09:09] <ochosi> which is especially nice as i've heard from some of our testers that the current workaround is breaking with some graphics cards/drivers
[09:09] <ochosi> oddly enough the bg of the indicators gets transparent with e.g. nouveau drivers after some time
[09:10] <ochosi> seems to be a race condition or something
[09:11] <andrzejr> interesting... there should nothing timing dependent
[09:11] <andrzejr> this is definitely a deeper issue - something about the way the panel handles transparency
[09:12] <ochosi> yeah, entirely possible
[09:12] <ali1234> ochosi: i have seen it on nvidia
[09:12] <ochosi> :(
[09:12] <ochosi> ok, well then at least we know now that the current workaround isn't really working around it
[09:12] <ali1234> if you set the main panel backgound to "image" then the indicator plugin background goes transparent (you can see the wallpaper)
[09:12] <ali1234> i am probably not using the newest code
[09:12] <ochosi> i wonder if that's a gtk3.10 issue
[09:13] <ali1234> this is on saucy
[09:14] <ali1234> actually that's wrong
[09:14] <ochosi> odd, for me that works
[09:14] <ali1234> if you set the main panel background to image, the image only shows under the indicator plugin, and nowhere else
[09:14] <ochosi> bg-image is one of the few things where only the gtk3 indicators get a bg and the rest remains the same
[09:14] <ochosi> yup
[09:16] <andrzejr> ali1234, just tried that - no problem here (other than indicator background has its own bg colour)
[09:18] <andrzejr> I get a bg image everywhere except for the indicator plugin
[09:18] <ali1234> so that's the extact reverse to what i get
[09:18] <ochosi> very strange that
[09:21] <ochosi> i really hope that whatever eric is working on (looked quite promising on the screenshot) works for all drivers
[09:25] <andrzejr> BTW, I have fixed some layout problems in the indicator plugin. I found them after moving to 13.10. Interestingly no one complained about them and I haven't spotted them when testing on a vbox installation.
[09:25] <ochosi> yeah, i saw your commits yesterday
[09:39] <ali1234> "check if labels are visible" sounds like something i saw where you can sometimes get empty areas
[09:44] <andrzejr> ali1234, I've seen that with power indicator labels (if you switch them on&off) in deskbar mode.
[09:44] <andrzejr> would also affect multi-row panels.
[09:55] <slickymaster> morning all
[10:00] <slickymaster> elfy, ochosi, right-clicking the appmenu-button and setting the menu-file to /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/menus/xfce-applications.menu does fix it
[10:00] <slickymaster> so it's probably a session issue
[10:02] <slickymaster> Unit193: ^^^
[10:02] <Unit193> I didn't do it! :P
[10:04] <Unit193> slickymaster: Is that a question or a statement?  Lack of question marks and how it is phrased indicates a statement.
[10:04] <Unit193> Also, meeting later today.
[10:04] <bluesabre> ochosi: darn, I was hoping that maybe I provided some useful debug info
[10:06] <slickymaster> Unit193: neither, it was an assumption
[10:06] <Unit193> In that case, I can tell you that you are correct.
[10:06] <slickymaster> or a supposition :P 
[10:07] <ochosi> bluesabre: yeah, no worries ;)
[10:07]  * ochosi won't be able to make the meeting tonight
[10:07] <ochosi> i'll be on the train, so...
[10:08] <slickymaster> since you're mentioning it Unit193, the meeting is at 19:00 UTC, isn it?
[10:08] <slickymaster> isn't ^^
[10:09] <Unit193> 14:00 EST.
[10:10] <slickymaster> Unit193: you wouldn't give a straight answer, would you? :P
[10:11] <Unit193> date -ud "14:00 EST"  says you're right.  (I know local time, GCal shows local time too. :P )
[10:11] <Unit193> Thu Dec 19 19:00:00 UTC 2013
[10:11] <slickymaster> LOL
[10:30] <bluesabre> so, gtk3.10 is in 14.04
[10:30] <bluesabre> but I noticed that ImageMenuItems still exist
[10:30] <bluesabre> is ubuntu shipping patches?
[10:31] <bluesabre> or is the code not actually removed for that until a later release
[10:32] <ochosi> good question
[10:33] <Unit193> debian/patches/git-gtkmodelmenuitem-icon-support.patch
[10:33] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+source/gtk+3.0/+changelog
[10:34] <ochosi> hah, nice
[10:41] <Unit193> That patch was removed, so it seems..?
[10:57] <ochosi> oh
[12:30] <brainwash> bug 1222021
[12:30] <brainwash> more test results please
[12:31] <brainwash> it's one of the major issues in saucy/trusty
[14:13] <elfy> ochosi: you can rest safe now - xchat has gone 1990s with nvidia as well ...
[14:17] <elfy> brainwash: I commented on bug 1222021
[14:17] <brainwash> elfy: just saw it :D
[14:17] <elfy> you'd have seen me test it as well probably ;)
[14:18] <brainwash> I was about to tell you to write a comment and add your test results
[14:18] <elfy> not checked it with a brand new install though
[14:18] <elfy> so consequently not able to add it to the release notes for A1
[14:18] <brainwash> now that we got a patched version we need to actually test it
[14:18] <brainwash> as known issue?
[14:19] <elfy> yea 
[14:19] <elfy> I assume it is an issue, but it wasn't reported
[14:19] <brainwash> we know that bugs usually don't disappear magically
[14:19] <ochosi> elfy: thanks for the double-ping :)
[14:20] <elfy> thought you'd need to know :p
[14:20] <brainwash> ochosi: did you already test the patched version of xfce4-power-manager?
[14:21] <brainwash> we need feedback and test results =S
[14:21] <elfy> added it to the release notes
[14:21] <brainwash> so it can be also backported to saucy
[14:22] <elfy> brainwash: well - is it fixed? because it doesn't look like it to me ;)
[14:22] <brainwash> but for me it is
[14:22] <brainwash> cannot test lid events though
[14:22] <ochosi> the lid events aren't prevented it seems
[14:22] <brainwash> but assume they work now too
[14:22] <ochosi> my system just went to sleep
[14:23] <brainwash> did you relog or restart power manager?
[14:23] <elfy> mark it is as fixed then - I'll just create a new bug for it
[14:23] <brainwash> 1 positive result is not enough
[14:24] <brainwash> currently we got like 2 negatives ones
[14:24] <elfy> I did ask jackson if he wanted a call for it - but he said no
[14:24] <ochosi> brainwash: i installed the PPA already a few days ago
[14:25] <brainwash> bummer
[14:25] <elfy> I've given up asking for anything now
[14:25] <brainwash> did you also test the power button event?
[14:26] <elfy> back later
[14:26] <ochosi> brainwash: i can't right now, i'm in the middle of something...
[14:26] <knome> ochosi, tmi
[14:26] <knome> :P
[14:26] <brainwash> ok, too risky then
[14:27] <ochosi> since the lid isn't prevented, i'm too pessimistic about the power button to try *now*
[14:33] <brainwash> you told power manager to do nothing on this event?
[14:34] <brainwash> redundant questions inc
[14:37] <ochosi> ofc
[15:26] <ochosi> brainwash: lid-switch isn't inhibited it seems, but the power-button
[15:27] <ochosi> oh, i was wrong, seems the lid switch works too now
[15:27] <brainwash> now? random?
[15:27] <ochosi> i dunno, i'll reboot and try again
[15:27] <brainwash> it should work every time
[15:27] <ochosi> oh really?
[15:28] <ochosi> i thought it's ok if it works like 50% of the time...
[15:28] <ochosi> brb
[15:30] <ochosi> ok, it works now
[15:30] <ochosi> i presume that the time-frame between changing the settings and trying the lid was too short
[15:30] <ochosi> (i mean before, when it didn't work)
[15:31] <ochosi> i had to edit logind.conf too
[15:31] <ochosi> but now it consistently works
[15:31] <brainwash> great
[15:31] <brainwash> so elfy is doing it wrong :)
[15:32] <brainwash> it's 2x works vs. 1x does not work
[15:33] <ochosi> maybe he should check his logind.conf
[15:33] <ochosi> although theoretically that shouldn't matter i guess
[15:33] <ochosi> since it should be overrided anyway
[17:01] <slickymaster> ochosi: http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=xfdesktop-docs:usage is finished and ready for your review
[17:01] <slickymaster> ping if you feel that changes need to be done, ochosi
[17:29] <slickymaster> bbl
[18:12] <pleia2> elfy: *hangs head in shame* I didn't do ISO tests this alpha, I'm sorry
[18:18] <elfy> pleia2: lol 
[18:20] <elfy> I Was behind myself 
[18:24] <pleia2> do we have release notes? lmk if I should pitch in somewhere
[18:24] <elfy> knome: we going to say mark as ready - and start building dailies again - I've got mail from Kate Stewart prodding me
[18:24] <elfy> pleia2: I've started the draft at xubuntu.org
[18:25] <elfy> not much else I can say without getting unduly cynical and depressed about the whole thing
[18:27] <pleia2> elfy: hugs
[18:28] <pleia2> elfy: mind if I clean this up a bit? (knome will have a seizure if he sees all these divs)
[18:29] <elfy> do what you want pleia2 
[18:29] <pleia2> ok, thanks
[18:30] <elfy> while you're there you can delete the one that's just been sat there doing and going nowhere
[18:30] <pleia2> sure
[18:32] <elfy> ta
[18:36] <pleia2> elfy: "To boot successfully to a Xubuntu Desktop" you're talking about the LiveCD, right? (gathering cues from context)
[18:37] <elfy> yea - sorry - whole thing is about the images
[18:37] <elfy> I'd been up 10 minutes when I did that ... 
[18:37] <pleia2> that's why I'm here :)
[18:37] <elfy> lol
[18:37] <elfy> just got up?
[18:38] <pleia2> well, following CC meeting
[18:38] <elfy> aah yes - wrong time/wrong week for me for that
[18:39] <pleia2> elfy: do we have a list of testers?
[18:39] <elfy> we have the list of people on -testers
[18:39] <pleia2> you mentioned 7 people tested it
[18:40] <elfy> oh - the ones that actually did it 
[18:40] <pleia2> yeah :)
[18:40] <elfy> no - but it won't take long for me to get one
[18:40] <pleia2> if it's not too much trouble, might be worthwhile listing them in the blog post for encouragement
[18:40] <elfy> yep 
[18:40] <elfy> couple of minutes
[18:43] <elfy> pleia2: where you want the list?
[18:43] <pleia2> elfy: PM is fine
[18:43] <elfy> ok 
[18:56] <slickymaster> knome, elfy, is any of you around?
[18:57] <elfy> sort of - only been in 30 minutes or so 
[18:57] <elfy> and the meeting is due to start soon as well
[18:57] <slickymaster> yeah, I know
[18:57] <elfy> so - is it a quick one :)
[18:57] <slickymaster> but before that, can you please merge https://code.launchpad.net/~slickymaster/ubuntu-manual-tests/ubuntu-manual-tests/+merge/199703 and update the tracker as well?
[18:58] <elfy> no - I really need to get my head together a bit and be able to sit without a bunch of pains
[18:59] <slickymaster> oh sorry to ear that you're still doing not so well
[18:59] <slickymaster> are you still on medication elfy?
[18:59] <elfy> I'll look at it a bit later though :)
[18:59] <elfy> yep
[19:00] <elfy> slickymaster: you know when you mark it for review - you can put someone's name in there? 
[19:00] <slickymaster> it's a shame if  you won't get better before christmas
[19:00] <elfy> I won't - but it's better than it was :)
[19:01] <slickymaster> yeah, I know, but I always felt that it wouldn't be sorte of "correct"
[19:01] <elfy> back shortly 
[19:01] <slickymaster> sort
[19:01] <pleia2> haz meeting?
[19:01] <elfy> slickymaster: no - that's fine - name me on them 
[19:01] <elfy> pleia2: no-one else around?
[19:01] <slickymaster> ElderDryas, will do
[19:02] <elfy> back very shortly
[19:02] <slickymaster> ups, sorry ElderDryas, that was meant for elfy 
[19:02] <pleia2> knome said he would be :)
[19:02] <pleia2> knome knome knome 
[19:02] <elfy> slickymaster: LOL
[19:02]  * slickymaster curses auto completion
[19:03] <drc> better slickymaster ? :)
[19:03] <elfy> ha ha ha 
[19:03] <slickymaster> LOL
[19:03] <slickymaster> much better drc 
[19:03]  * slickymaster bows
[19:04] <slickymaster> tks
[19:04] <drc> especially with a meeting coming up.
[19:04] <pleia2> well, we should start
[19:04] <pleia2> #startmeeting
[19:04] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Dec 19 19:04:49 2013 UTC.  The chair is pleia2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[19:04] <pleia2> #chair elfy knome 
[19:04] <meetingology> Current chairs: elfy knome pleia2
[19:05] <pleia2> elfy: I think there is some work to do here if you're able: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/Alpha1/Xubuntu
[19:06] <elfy> where did that page come from ?
[19:07] <pleia2> it's what is linked on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/Alpha1
[19:07] <pleia2> we could just change and link to our blog post if we don't want to use it though
[19:08] <pleia2> anyway, who all is here for the meeting? :)
[19:08] <elfy> I'll not have time to look at that today 
[19:08] <jjfrv8> o/
[19:08] <slickymaster> o/
[19:08] <elfy> I am - though likely to have to escape in 10 for a short while
[19:08] <Noskcaj> o/
[19:08] <pleia2> #topic Items carried on
[19:08] <sergiobenrocha2> o/
[19:09] <pleia2> ali1234, elfy, knome, ochosi, skellat - any updates from your actions last meeting? 
[19:09]  * pleia2 digging up link
[19:10] <ali1234> nothing new here
[19:10] <elfy> #info Waiting for updates from bluesabre re menulibre
[19:10] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings/Archive/Minutes/2013-01-10#Action_items.2C_by_person
[19:10] <pleia2> wrong link
[19:10] <pleia2> that was just a flashback :)
[19:10] <elfy> lol
[19:10] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings/Archive/Minutes/2013-12-12#Action_items.2C_by_person
[19:11] <elfy> no other updates from me
[19:11] <pleia2> ok, I'll readd all these since everyone is asleeping
[19:11] <pleia2> #action skellat and ali1234 to look at the SRU progress for indicator-sound-GTK2
[19:11] <meetingology> ACTION: skellat and ali1234 to look at the SRU progress for indicator-sound-GTK2
[19:11] <elfy> yep 
[19:11] <pleia2> #action elfy to chase bluesabre re menulibre
[19:11] <meetingology> ACTION: elfy to chase bluesabre re menulibre
[19:11] <pleia2> #action elfy to set up a new vm and get everyone's new bits in so I've got something to look at
[19:11] <meetingology> ACTION: elfy to set up a new vm and get everyone's new bits in so I've got something to look at
[19:11] <elfy> no lol
[19:12] <pleia2> haha
[19:12] <ali1234> well the SRU paperwork is filed, i'm just waiting for something to happen now
[19:12] <elfy> I'm waiting for bluesabre now :)
[19:12] <pleia2> tsk
[19:12] <pleia2> #undo
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[19:12] <pleia2> #undo
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[19:12] <elfy> sorry :)
[19:12] <pleia2> #undo
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[19:12] <pleia2> alright, let's try this again
[19:13] <pleia2> #action ali1234 to keep an eye on SRU progress for indicator-sound-GTK2
[19:13] <meetingology> ACTION: ali1234 to keep an eye on SRU progress for indicator-sound-GTK2
[19:13] <pleia2> elfy: what's bluesabre's item here?
[19:13] <pleia2> #action elfy to set up a new vm and get everyone's new bits in so I've got something to look at
[19:13] <meetingology> ACTION: elfy to set up a new vm and get everyone's new bits in so I've got something to look at
[19:13] <pleia2> #action ochosi to follow up on xfce 4.12 release with nick and report back
[19:13] <meetingology> ACTION: ochosi to follow up on xfce 4.12 release with nick and report back
[19:14] <elfy> #action Team members wanting things tested need to ensure a mail get's sent to the -dev list
[19:14] <meetingology> ACTION: Team members wanting things tested need to ensure a mail get's sent to the -dev list
[19:15] <pleia2> #topic Team Updates
[19:15] <elfy> not just random pings in here please - thanks 
[19:15] <pleia2> anyone have updates?
[19:16] <jjfrv8> none from me this week
 we could just change and link to our blog post if we don't want to use it though - that might be the best short term plan for that
[19:16] <Noskcaj> #info Noskcaj needs testimonials for MOTU and Xubuntu Packageset. Please add one at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Noskcaj#Testimonials
[19:16] <Noskcaj> #info lderan has got basic autopilot tests working, an example one can be found at http://paste.ubuntu.com/6597150/
[19:16] <pleia2> elfy: ok, thanks
[19:16] <elfy> QA update is more or less the release notes - wherever they are
[19:16] <slickymaster> #info slickymaster has been doing same packages testing and I've noticed that a few of them needed to be re-written, which I've done. So if someone comes across a a test that it's not accurate please ping me and I'll correct it
[19:17] <elfy> there was a poor turnout on testing imo
[19:17] <pleia2> #info Poor turnout for A1 testing
[19:17] <elfy> sorry - bad as ochosi this week ... 
[19:17] <pleia2> #info QA and Marketing wrote Alpha1 announcement to go out once the image is set free
[19:18] <elfy> #info waiting for agreement to release image with knome 
[19:19] <slickymaster> i think that there was an increased in the number of tests done
[19:19] <slickymaster> *increase
[19:20] <pleia2> ok, any more updates?
[19:20] <elfy> brb
[19:20] <pleia2> #topic Announcements
[19:20] <pleia2> #info Alpha1 is today!
[19:20] <pleia2> that's all I've got
[19:21] <pleia2> #info Happy Holidays
[19:22] <elfy> back
[19:22] <elfy> pleia2: what about the Lionel replacement issue 
[19:23] <pleia2> I don't know anything about that
[19:23] <elfy> could of sworn knome was going to talk to everyone
[19:24] <Unit193> From last meeting.
[19:24] <elfy> yea
[19:24] <pleia2> well, does anyone else have comments about it? :)
[19:24] <elfy> none -= not qualified to have any sensible comments at present :)
[19:25] <pleia2> hehe
[19:25] <Noskcaj> I think it's micah temporarily get the position just because he has upload rights. We need to actually vote someone in though
[19:25] <elfy> #action knome to be in touch with people re Tech Lead position
[19:25] <meetingology> ACTION: knome to be in touch with people re Tech Lead position
[19:26] <pleia2> ok
[19:26] <pleia2> any other announcements?
[19:26] <elfy> pleia2: seems like not much else to meet about
[19:26] <pleia2> #topic New ang emerging items
[19:27] <pleia2> sweet, I copied the typo from the last meeting
[19:27] <pleia2> I am really good at this meting thing
[19:27] <elfy> :)
[19:27] <pleia2> #subtopic Schedule next meeting
[19:27] <pleia2> maybe thursday after new years?
[19:28] <pleia2> Jan 2nd
[19:28] <jjfrv8> +1
[19:28] <elfy> works for me - will be back on the treadmill
[19:28] <pleia2> same bat time?
[19:28] <elfy> yep 
[19:28] <pleia2> #decided Next meeting on Thursday, January 2nd at 19:00 UTC
[19:28] <pleia2> #agree Next meeting on Thursday, January 2nd at 19:00 UTC
[19:29] <pleia2> well whatever :)
[19:29] <pleia2> ok, thanks all!
[19:29] <pleia2> happy Alpha 1 day
[19:29] <jjfrv8> thanks, pleia2 
[19:29] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[19:29] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Dec 19 19:29:36 2013 UTC.  
[19:29] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2013/xubuntu-devel.2013-12-19-19.04.moin.txt
[19:29] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2013/xubuntu-devel.2013-12-19-19.04.html
[19:29] <slickymaster> thanks pleia2 
[19:29] <elfy> thanks pleia2 et al
[19:29] <Unit193> pleia2: Heh, you did better than I, thanks.
[19:31] <elfy> back later 
[19:32] <slickymaster> jjfrv8, http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=xfdesktop-docs is finished
[19:33] <Unit193> Next meeting: http://goo.gl/OgPOjl
[19:33] <slickymaster> jjfrv8, correction http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=xfdesktop-docs:usage is finished
[19:34] <slickymaster> so if you want you can start to work on the Multimonitor section
[19:35] <jjfrv8> slickymaster, saw that. thanks. I've got two new saucy images installed on my test machine but have not gotten the second monitor hooked up yet
[19:35] <slickymaster> jjfrv8, yeah the number of monitors was my issue :)
[19:36] <slickymaster> jjfrv8, anyway we'll have to wait on ochosi review, now
[19:36] <jjfrv8> don't even know if my little Dell will do it, but I think so
[19:36] <slickymaster> jjfrv8, it just a matter of trying ;)
[19:41] <slickymaster> bbl
[19:47] <knome> yep, sorry
[19:48] <knome> pleia2, elfy: is the alpha announcement ready? are the images marked ready?
[19:49] <knome> brb
[19:49] <pleia2> knome: elfy wanted an ack from you to set the images read
[19:49] <pleia2> knome: release announcement is ready in wordpress if you want to look
[20:15] <elfy> knome: marked ready 
[20:16] <elfy> mailed Kate to tell her
[20:22] <elfy> knome: can you deal with slangasek in -release re the mail you forwarded - I've gtg now
[20:22] <elfy> "Flavor team leads,  please let slangasek know on #ubuntu-release when you've got an image you're happy with and want the daily builds turned off. "
[20:29] <jjfrv8> slickymaster, as I was looking over your Usage section, I noticed a feature I wasn't aware of that causes a mismatch with the second screenshot
[20:30] <jjfrv8> I put a <note> in to explain what I'm talking about. It's in the first "Background" section.
[20:30] <jjfrv8> ochosi, ^^
[20:43] <Noskcaj> One #info i forgot for the meeting. We should be able to re-add a pidgin twitter plugin next month
[22:38] <sergio-br2> hey guys, i'm trying to install xubuntu here, but ubiquity crashes, and apport did one profile of the bug, but it didn't open firefox... 
[22:38] <sergio-br2> so, where can i found the bug report that it did?
[22:42] <Unit193> Should be in /var/crash/
[22:44] <sergio-br2> hum, ok, thanks
[23:22] <Unit193> micahg: http://paste.openstack.org/show/55563 list of things different from saucy with (most) dupes (libmng1 -> libmng2) removed.  I'd hope we can at least remove libedataserver perhaps?
[23:23] <Unit193> indicator-sound brings in something dumb as well.
[23:23] <Unit193> Recommends: gnome-control-center | ubuntu-system-settings
[23:25] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/55564 list of unity or gnome packages, some we do want.
[23:27] <cell> hi 
[23:28] <cell> how did the meeting go?
[23:28] <cell> is anyone here
[23:28] <Unit193> Short and well.
[23:29] <cell> ah, short. well, i guess I missed out? 
[23:29] <cell> Is 14.04 going to have the 3.12 linux kernel?
[23:30] <Unit193> Yes.
[23:30] <Unit193> !info linux-generic trusty
[23:34] <cell> awesome. 3.12 is supposed to be much faster with AMD/ATI video 
[23:34] <cell> Also, is Xubuntu doing anything on the MIR/Wayland front or is that being put off until next version
[23:35] <cell> i'm glad someone is still here to chat
[23:35] <Unit193> Not this release, though you can play with the one since it's in repo.
[23:38] <brainwash> I should give xmir another chance, it has been a while since I've tested it the last time
[23:39] <Unit193> Hah, just spun up ISOs. :P
[23:39] <cell> so xubuntu i guess is going to go Xmir, rather than develop wayland for xfce like some sources in the media said
[23:40] <Unit193> Media is all crap, and that's also not a given either.
[23:44] <sergio-br2> what's the position about mir and wayland in xubuntu?
[23:44] <cell> i think maybe they don't know and are waiting to see just like Linux Mint
[23:44] <knome> xubuntu won't "develop" either X, Xmir or Wayland really
[23:45] <brainwash> we are just waiting for the Xfce developers to do some magic
[23:45] <brainwash> wayland magic
[23:45] <sergio-br2> haha
[23:45] <sergio-br2> so, it seems that only unity will use mir...
[23:46] <brainwash> is that bad?
[23:46] <sergio-br2> don't know
[23:46] <cell> that is what it seems like to me too, but i think everyone is waiting for the dust to settle 
[23:46] <sergio-br2> for canonical yes...
[23:46] <brainwash> it's canoncial's idea after all
[23:46] <sergio-br2> yeah
[23:46] <brainwash> no one wants upstarts too
[23:46] <pleia2> published the blog post so it stops 404ing in the annoucement
[23:46] <brainwash> upstart
[23:47] <brainwash> can you call lightdm a product made by canoncial?
[23:47] <knome> pleia2, i was doing that
[23:47] <pleia2> knome: doh
[23:47] <knome> pleia2, there was one broken link and then i beautified the link titles
[23:47] <knome> but it's fine now!
[23:47] <pleia2> knome: haha, ok
[23:48] <cell> i was wondering whether volunteering for xubuntu can be a stepping stone to a job or whether it is more of a philanthropic and humanitarian pursuit
[23:49] <knome> cell, can definitely help you get a job
[23:49] <knome> cell, but how much depends on how much/what you are working on; the team can't guarantee anything...
[23:49] <Unit193> brainwash: Redhad used/uses it, but moving to systemd of course.
[23:49] <knome> Unit193, what's redhad?
[23:50] <Unit193> -d+t
[23:50] <brainwash> they dropped upstart
[23:50] <Unit193> Mhmm.
[23:50] <cell> what does it mean when someone's text is red? Is that for emphasis or does it imply a whisper?
[23:51] <brainwash> so we aren't doing any Xmir testing to keep track of the development progress?
[23:51] <knome> cell, just means they've written your nick in the message, like this
[23:52] <Unit193> brainwash: I'll check it live again if it actually shows up.
[23:57] <sergio-br2> Chrome OS uses upstart yet?