[08:59] <Saviq> sil2100, hey, did you see my comment on the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1262743/comments/2 ?
[08:59] <Saviq> sil2100, filed a related bug on ci processes: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ci-services-itself/+bug/1262879
[09:00] <sil2100> Saviq: hi, just looking at it
[09:00] <sil2100> Saviq: I wonder what happened that it failed that one time on my device - maybe unity8 couldn't properly got woken up by autopilot?
[09:00] <sil2100> *get
[09:01] <Saviq> sil2100, no, unity8 sometimes take quite some time to tear down everything
[09:01] <Saviq> sil2100, in which time it might end up the screen suspends
[09:01] <Saviq> sil2100, there's no way for unity8 to wake the screen
[09:01] <Saviq> sil2100, when it's starting - I wrote all of that to ubuntu-phone ML
[09:04] <sil2100> Saviq: ok, so what I'll do is run the test suite again and then try doing the release
[09:11] <Saviq> sil2100, yes please, make sure to keep the screen on with the powerd-cli command
[09:12] <Saviq> sil2100, FWIW this only happens in trunk for you due to https://code.launchpad.net/~nicolas-doffay/unity8/upstart-kill-fix/+merge/198931
[09:12] <Saviq> sil2100, before, upstart would kill unity8 after 5s
[09:12] <Saviq> now it only times out after 30s
[09:13] <Saviq> so before it would never take long enough to blank the screen (but also not long enough to collect a .crash, hence the override)
[09:54] <Saviq> dednick, hey, can you mark affect the respective indicators that have incorrect positions: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-network/+bug/1262611 ?
[09:57] <dednick> Saviq: sure
[09:57] <Saviq> dednick, positions come from indicators now, right?
[09:58] <dednick> Saviq: yep, service files if i remember correctly
[09:58] <Saviq> dednick, yup, please comment on the bug what the values are now and where they need to be fixed - and mark unity8 Invalid afterwards
[09:58] <dednick> Saviq: ok
[10:05] <dednick> Cimi: did you run the calendar test suite yesterday? the entry is there, but i had the same results (might have just entered in incorrect box)
[10:06] <Cimi> dednick, no calendars
[10:06] <dednick> Cimi: ok cool.
[10:08] <Cimi> dednick, and battery of the tablet is dead :D
[10:08] <Cimi> willl do in a bit
[10:09] <dednick> Cimi: ok, all mine failed. calendar doesnt seem to work at all with sidestage
[10:50] <mhr3_> Saviq, you probably got a bunch of emails about the json doc :)
[10:50] <mhr3_> thostr_, you might want to re-look at well
[10:53] <Saviq> mhr3_, not yet, but will have a look
[11:06] <Saviq> mhr3_, ah, so by EarlyPreview you actually mean with no round-trip between the UI and the scope
[11:06] <Saviq> mhr3_, that's something I wasn't thinking about
[11:06] <mhr3_> Saviq, oh, that wasn't clear?
[11:07] <mhr3_> :/
[11:07] <Saviq> mhr3_, yeah, I always thought about a minimal round-trip, but now I get it - and yeah, probably nothing tragic happens to the JSON structure anyway
[11:09] <mhr3_> right
[11:37] <Saviq> sil2100, any luck?
[11:39] <sil2100> Saviq: it's as you say, the tests seem to look fine - there's like one test that fails when the screen fades out
[11:39] <sil2100> But rarely
[11:42] <Saviq> sil2100, cool
[11:43] <sil2100> Saviq: so I'll release it once cu2d says it's ok
[11:43] <tsdgeos> have you guys tried greyback debs on the nexus10?
[11:43] <tsdgeos> i'm getting a diying unity8 too
[11:43] <tsdgeos> nexus4 was fine
[11:44] <tsdgeos> but nexus10 unity8 keeps restarting
[11:45] <Saviq> tsdgeos, not restarting here, works fine?
[11:45] <tsdgeos> Saviq: extra ? in your sentence?
[11:46] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah, probably ;)
[11:46] <Saviq> tsdgeos, it does not restart here
[11:46] <Saviq> tsdgeos, although what mzanetti reported happens - unity8 tests don't work (but they don't on mako, either)
[11:46] <tsdgeos> well i get unity8 on screen on the nexus4
[11:46] <tsdgeos> nexus10 all i have is blackness
[11:47] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: with AP too?
[11:47] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: why would i run autopilot if untiy8 doesn't even start
[11:47] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: it works fine when running it manually. But with AP it fails
[11:47] <mzanetti> for me at least
[11:47] <mzanetti> on Nexus 4
[11:47] <mzanetti> well, both. I see the same on 4 and 10
[11:48] <mzanetti> the question was rather if it works on Nexus 4 with AP for you
[11:49] <dednick> is qa vpn down?
[11:49] <mzanetti> dednick: can't connect either
[11:50] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: sure, nexus4 is all fine
[11:50] <dednick> hm. i think all jenkins is down
[11:50] <dednick> oh, no
[11:50] <Saviq> dednick, your branch failed due to otto failure, but couldn't restart
[11:50] <dednick> Saviq: otto?
[11:50] <Saviq> dednick, the testrunner
[11:51] <dednick> Saviq: ah, yeah. I was trying to restart, but cant get to it.;
[11:51] <Saviq> dednick, otto is the project that actually runs the tests in s-jenkins and daily build
[11:51] <Saviq> dednick, yup, me neither
[11:52] <dandrader> tsdgeos, greyback's sidestage packages worked for me on nexus 10 as well
[11:52] <tsdgeos> :/
[11:52] <tsdgeos> dandrader: image 79 ?
[11:53] <dandrader> tsdgeos, but I did have a terminal on with "powerd-cli display bright" during the tests to make sure I would see what's happening throughout
[11:53] <tsdgeos> my unity8 is crashing constantly
[11:53] <tsdgeos> that is not my problem
[11:53] <mzanetti> didn't work for me... AP doesn't work neither on nexus 4 nor nexus 10 for me
[11:53] <Saviq> hmm once Nexus10 sleeps here, I can't wake it up :/
[11:53] <dandrader> tsdgeos, the image number I used I put on that spreadsheet
[11:53] <mzanetti> starting it manually works fine on both for me
[11:54] <greyback> hey, ricmm was working on fixing bugs with his sidestage stuff, here's his latest packages: http://people.canonical.com/~ricmm/sidestage-debs.tar.gz
[11:59] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I'm on 79 and works fine
[11:59] <tsdgeos> that is weird :_/
[12:00]  * tsdgeos reflashes and reinstalls the debs
[12:00] <dednick> tsdgeos: i think mine is crashing pretty often as well. Have you got the sidestage mods installed?
[12:00] <Saviq> tsdgeos, hmm maybe it crashed just now...
[12:01]  * Saviq clears /var/crash
[12:01] <tsdgeos> dednick: mods?
[12:01] <Saviq> and maybe that's why I can't resurrect it when it goes to sleep
[12:01] <Saviq> tsdgeos, he meant the .debs
[12:01] <dednick> tsdgeos: the packages for sidestage we are testing with
[12:01] <tsdgeos> dednick: yes, with greyback's debs crashes a lot
[12:01] <tsdgeos> otherwise it's fine
[12:02] <Saviq> tsdgeos, check out ricmm's debs above ↑↑
[12:02] <tsdgeos> Saviq: how much above? :D
[12:02] <tsdgeos> ah
[12:02] <tsdgeos> got them
[12:02] <Saviq> tsdgeos, not a lot ;)
[12:03] <Saviq> lol
[12:03] <Saviq> anyone else getting upside-down screenshots from time to time?
[12:04] <Saviq> in the side stage, when swiping through the launcher, I'm getting upside-down screenshots sometimes ;)
[12:06] <Saviq> crash
[12:06] <Saviq> tsdgeos, so yeah, it's pretty crashy, not as much as yours is, probably ;)
[12:08] <Saviq> greyback, you going through the issues on mako? I'll go on manta then
[12:09] <greyback> Saviq: yep
[12:09] <Saviq> greyback, gallery was manta first
[12:09] <Saviq> greyback, should be mako?
[12:09] <greyback> Saviq: oh darn, fixing
[12:10] <Saviq> greyback, right-edge switch, do you see a flicker when the apps get into place (so on focus change?)
[12:11] <Saviq> greyback, think it's the same as mzanetti's flicker you discussed earlier this week?
[12:11] <greyback> Saviq: no actually
[12:11] <Saviq> greyback, I do, on manta, will report separate
[12:12] <greyback> Saviq: I do get flicker if i activate running app from launcher
[12:12] <Saviq> greyback, how about upside-down screenshots? ;)
[12:12] <greyback> Saviq: you're holding it wrong :D
[12:13] <Saviq> greyback, no, I just can't rotate it that fast
[12:15] <Saviq> tsdgeos, crashes in the application plugin here, for you?
[12:16] <tsdgeos> qtubuntu somewhere
[12:17] <tsdgeos> already reflashed to try ric's packages in a clean environment
[12:19] <Saviq> greyback, how about general jitter when doing transitions?
[12:19] <Saviq> greyback, it looks like frames are delivered in wrong order or something...
[12:20] <Saviq> greyback, whenever I launch apps or switch between them, the screenshots jump around like crazy
[12:21] <greyback> Saviq: aside from white flickers where screenshots not loaded yet, most animations are smooth here. I'm on image 77 though (yesterdays). I need to update to today's
[12:21] <tsdgeos> ric's packages also make it die
[12:22] <greyback> tsdgeos: backtrace? New Mir release was made, maybe API/ABI break
[12:23] <tsdgeos> greyback: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6605309/
[12:23] <tsdgeos> greyback: but it is weird, since it worked on the Nexus4 :-S
[12:23] <greyback> tsdgeos: ok, looks like qtubuntu fail for tablet
[12:24] <tsdgeos> greyback: want me to try to compile something manually? or?
[12:25] <greyback> tsdgeos: I'll be ~30 minutes before I can reproduce. If you'd like to dig, be my guest.
[12:26] <greyback> tsdgeos: https://code.launchpad.net/~ricmm/qtubuntu/papi-setdimensions/+merge/198498 & https://code.launchpad.net/~ricmm/platform-api/set-dimensions are the branches
[12:34] <Saviq> greyback, tsdgeos new mir not there in image 79 yet anyway
[12:34] <tsdgeos> the look of http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/unity8-ci/ is quite sad -/
[12:34] <tsdgeos> i am totally puzzled as why it works for Saviq and not for me :-(
[12:34] <Saviq> tsdgeos, it's pretty crashy here, too, so...
[12:34] <Saviq> dudes, we got a unity8 release, thanks sil2100!
[12:34] <tsdgeos> ah ok
[12:35]  * Saviq awaits the 100% for unity8 on maguro finally :)
[12:35] <sil2100> \o/ (finally ;p)
[12:35] <sil2100> Yeah sil2100! Why did that take so long, huh?!
[12:35] <sil2100> Oh, right, that's me
[12:35] <Saviq> tsdgeos, otto seems to get locked again... http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/autopilot-testrunner-otto-trusty/1673/artifact/results/autopilot/artifacts/unity8.shell.tests.test_hud.TestHud.test_show_hud_appears%20%28Desktop%20Nexus%2010%29.ogv
[12:36] <tsdgeos> :/
[12:36] <Saviq> tsdgeos, not so for the last three runs, though, so hopefully an isolated issue
[12:44] <mzanetti> greyback: will we get a possibility to know when an application actually starts painting after startup?
[12:44] <greyback> mzanetti: when we use the scenegraph work, yes.
[12:45] <mzanetti> ok. great.
[12:49] <tsdgeos> greyback: lunch calling, didn't have time to compile anything, back layer
[12:50] <greyback> ok
[13:22] <greyback> Saviq: just testing manta, I see what you mean about jitteriness
[13:22] <Saviq> greyback, yeah, it's rather bad
[13:22] <greyback> yep
[14:02] <tsdgeos> greyback: any luck? did you repro the crash?
[14:03] <greyback> tsdgeos: what were you doing to make it crash? I've not crashed it yet on tablet
[14:03] <greyback> (no I lie, I did once, but failed to do it again)
[14:04] <tsdgeos> greyback: install, reboot -> done
[14:05] <greyback> tsdgeos: nope, not getting that
[14:05]  * tsdgeos shakes fist
[14:05] <greyback> tsdgeos: I instlled image 79, installed ricmm's packages, it's ok
[14:05] <tsdgeos> same i did
[14:05] <tsdgeos> greyback: you did reboot, right?
[14:06] <greyback> tsdgeos: yes
[14:06]  * tsdgeos tries for the fourth time
[14:07] <mhr3_> Saviq, gauge!
[14:07] <Saviq> mhr3_, comments? ;)
[14:10] <Saviq> mhr3_, aah rating?
[14:11]  * Saviq probably connects "gauge" to "12-gauge" most... not sure that's a good connection to have in the scopes system ;)
[14:12] <mhr3_> Saviq, lol, i thought you're asking me to add it as a comment
[14:12] <mhr3_> anyway, i did :)
[14:12] <mhr3_> had to google what 12-gauge is
[14:15] <Saviq> mhr3_, now you now ;)
[14:16] <mhr3_> yea, at least it's not as bad as last time when i was googling something about one cup
[14:18] <Saviq> mhr3_, MAN, you don't mention that
[14:18] <Saviq> you DO NOT MENTION THAT
[14:19]  * Saviq goes to find gasoline to pour on his eyes
[14:20]  * mzanetti is curios now
[14:20] <tsdgeos> greyback: insatlling all of these, right? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6605904/
[14:20] <tsdgeos> greyback: that's the sha1sum
[14:20] <mhr3_> mzanetti, don't be, you'll regret it
[14:21] <Saviq> mzanetti, DON'T
[14:21] <dandrader> heheh, I remember that one cup craziness
[14:21] <mzanetti> this doesn't help, Saviq :D
[14:21] <greyback> tsdgeos: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6605912/
[14:21] <Saviq> mzanetti, really, not before christmas
[14:21] <mzanetti> lol
[14:21] <mhr3_> Saviq, think it'll soon claim another victim
[14:21] <Saviq> mzanetti, leave it for new years
[14:21] <mzanetti> ok. remind me if I forget
[14:22] <dandrader> mzanetti, just keep your webcam recording you as you find out what's that about
[14:22] <dandrader> will make a good video
[14:22] <Saviq> ;)
[14:23] <Saviq> there's probably more "guy watches two girls one cup for the first time"-type video results when you google for it these days than the actual video ;)
[14:23] <Saviq> s/guy/someone/
[14:23] <mhr3_> uh oh
[14:23] <mhr3_> now he knows what to google for
[14:23] <mzanetti> hmm...
[14:24] <mzanetti> it does sound like I should not use the canonical managed google account for it
[14:24] <mhr3_> leave it after work hours at least
[14:24] <mhr3_> nsfw
[14:24] <mzanetti> ok
[14:25] <mhr3_> nsfwaa
[14:25] <mhr3_> as in "not safe for watching at all"
[14:25] <mzanetti> :D
[14:27] <tsdgeos> nope
[14:27] <tsdgeos> nothing
[14:27]  * kgunn really wonders what all this one cup thing is
[14:27] <tsdgeos> somethins wrong with my nexus10
[14:28]  * kgunn heeds advice he sees not look
[14:28] <tsdgeos> or what?
[14:28]  * tsdgeos confused
[14:32] <greyback> tsdgeos: it's a mystery to me, sorry
[14:37] <Saviq> kgunn, do not.
[14:37] <kgunn> :)
[14:37] <kgunn> taking the advice
[14:37] <kgunn> woohoo....AP tests running on sidedstage mako for me now!
[14:37] <mhr3_> Saviq, https://code.launchpad.net/~mhr3/unity-scopes-shell/json-overrides/+merge/199508 pls?
[14:38] <kgunn> guessing i just did somethign stupid
[14:38] <Cimi> Saviq, you mentioned some packages, but qtubuntu is not packaged
[14:38] <kgunn> hmmm...i missed standup huh
[14:38] <mhr3_> mzanetti, ^ or maybe you want to see some scopes code again :)
[14:38] <Cimi> Saviq, you have a special link for it?
[14:38] <mhr3_> mzanetti, this time with 100% fewer threads :)
[14:38] <greyback> Cimi: http://people.canonical.com/~ricmm/sidestage-debs.tar.gz
[14:39] <mzanetti> mhr3_: :D
[14:39] <dednick> Saviq: also noticed that apps that are supposed to be running in sidestage, actually dont under autopilot. Is that expected?
[14:39] <Cimi> thx
[14:39] <mzanetti> mhr3_: yeah. I guess I can do that one
[14:39] <Saviq> dednick, should be fine with the packages above
[14:39] <Saviq> mzanetti, thanks
[14:39] <dednick> ah, new ones..
[14:40] <Saviq> dednick, new ones this morning, yeah
[14:40] <dednick> Saviq: oh, no, i already have those
[14:41] <Saviq> dednick, hmm so they run in sidestage manually, but not under ap?
[14:41] <tsdgeos> and now it works
[14:41]  * tsdgeos is even more confused
[14:41] <dednick> Saviq: yeah
[14:41] <Saviq> dednick, that sounds like we're not reading the hint from the .desktop file in that case
[14:42] <tsdgeos> Saviq: greyback: so i did the phablet-flash with --boostrap instead of the regular one and now it's working, no clue why that would mean anything different
[14:42] <Saviq> tsdgeos, interesting indeed
[14:42] <Saviq> dednick, since they're not launched via upstart, maybe we're not taking the stage hint into account
[14:42] <Saviq> greyback, WDYT ↑?
[14:42] <Saviq> greyback, apps not going to sidestage under autopilot?
[14:43] <dednick> Saviq: hm, let me check what happens when i start with cmdline
[14:44] <dednick> Saviq: yeah, that's it
[14:44] <Saviq> dednick, add bug to http://pad.ubuntu.com/qP0HD1BUn4 please
[14:46] <greyback> there's the stage_hint command line switch. But ricmm added to platform-api code to read the APP_ID env var, and from there open the desktop file and read the stage. So APP_ID needs to be set
[14:46] <kgunn> this is excellent work guys...
[14:49] <greyback> does terminal app for for anyone?
[14:49] <greyback> s/for for/work for/
[14:49] <dednick> greyback: looks like starting it with stage_hint=SideStage is doing "something", but not the correct thing :) it get's the size right, but the it's on the left.
[14:50] <kgunn> dednick: Cimi ...i'll do the mako runs for the tests you have
[14:50] <kgunn> i don't think either of you have n4s
[14:50] <Cimi> kgunn, thanks
[14:50] <dednick> kgunn: thanks
[14:51] <greyback> dednick: another bug, please report :)
[14:53] <mzanetti> mhr3_: fails to build with http://paste.ubuntu.com/6606060
[14:54] <mzanetti> heh... nice pastebin number
[14:54] <mhr3_> mzanetti, old libunity-api?
[14:54] <mhr3_> mzanetti, update && upgrade
[14:54] <mzanetti> mhr3_: on it, yeah
[14:55] <dednick> out for a bit. bbl
[14:55] <dandrader> unity8 is crashing for me as well on manta...
[14:56] <tsdgeos> dandrader: all the time or just sometimes?
[14:57] <dandrader> tsdgeos, I left the device alone for some minutes, when I came back to use it unity8 was gone. restarting it doesn't help. screen remains black even with "powerd-cli display on bright"
[14:58] <tsdgeos> dandrader: adb shell and ps -A | grep unity8
[14:58] <tsdgeos> is it different pids all the time?
[14:58] <greyback> dandrader: recent crash file for unity8 in /var/crash/ ?
[15:00] <greyback> hmm, pulseaudio using 9% of CPU on tablet after fresh boot, wonder why
[15:00] <dandrader> greyback, no
[15:00] <greyback> shame
[15:00] <kgunn> is it normal (or unheard of) to have an upstart app launch crash is screen blanks right before an AP test runs ?
[15:00] <kgunn> just checking if the crash i just saw is junk (expected)
[15:01] <greyback> kgunn: I'd argue that any crash is not normal :)
[15:01] <greyback> but that's news to me
[15:01] <kgunn> greyback: most people run the tests correctly ;)
[15:02] <greyback> dammit powerd, stop reducing my default brightness to sod-all
[15:05] <tsdgeos> well
[15:05] <tsdgeos> the sidestage packages are broken
[15:05] <kgunn> i'm gonna say that crash was crap
[15:05] <tsdgeos> not really sure makes sense testing more :D
[15:06] <tsdgeos> start calculator, works, close calculator, start calculator, doesn't work, close calcular, start calculator, doesn't work, close calcular, everything blows up
[15:06] <kgunn> tsdgeos: assume you mean on n10 ?
[15:06] <tsdgeos> yep
[15:07] <greyback> tsdgeos: yep, am seeing similar, it's fragile
[15:07] <kgunn> greyback: think we have enough bugs to halt...then we can repeat this effort in the new year with a new branch ?
[15:08] <kgunn> or is it useful to complete at least the AP testing
[15:08] <greyback> kgunn: yep, I think we can stop. ricmm & I will start fixing the obvious problems. Since app launch & stop isn't reliable, AP will just give us lots of false fails
[15:09] <mhr3_> Saviq, did you have time to rebase the scope tool on trunk?
[15:09] <kgunn> ok... dandrader dednick|lunch Cimi Saviq ^
[15:09] <mhr3_> Saviq, if not i can do it
[15:09] <Saviq> mhr3_, no, didn't get to it - please do
[15:09] <Cimi> ok
[15:09] <kgunn> greyback: you and ricmm need any help ?...or is 2 cooks already crowded ?
[15:10] <mhr3_> Saviq, k, got anything unpushed for the branch?
[15:10] <mhr3_> if so, pls push
[15:10] <Saviq> mhr3_, don't think so, let me check
[15:10] <greyback> ricmm what you think? I think 2 is enough
[15:10] <Cimi> now I got 55 failures
[15:10] <Cimi> :-\
[15:10] <Saviq> mhr3_, ready for you
[15:10] <mhr3_> Saviq, thx, on it
[15:11]  * ricmm readsback
[15:11] <ricmm> kgunn: 2 is enough
[15:12] <ricmm> kgunn: a handful of these bugs are not new bugs, these are just bugs that came from MWC, so not really regressions
[15:12] <ricmm> others are simple to squash
[15:12] <ricmm> 2 is good, we might have something cool in a few hours
[15:13] <kgunn> ricmm: love to hear that
[15:20] <mzanetti> mhr3_: added one comment. let me know if I should approve or you want to change
[15:33]  * mzanetti -> away for an hour
[15:36] <mhr3_> mzanetti, pushed
[15:40] <mhr3_> Saviq, https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/unity-scope-tool/+merge/199831
[15:42] <Saviq> mhr3_, cheers
[16:17] <dednick> can anyone start the music app on manta with sidestage? using the application scope, not a song.
[16:18] <Cimi> dednick, me
[16:18] <dednick> Cimi: hm, it's working now after a reboot
[16:22] <Cimi> dednick, how are tests going for you?
[16:22] <Cimi> dednick, for me it's like random
[16:22] <Cimi> once 5 errors, once 11, once 20
[16:23] <Cimi> I dunno if I do something wrong
[16:23] <dednick> Cimi: it's a struggle
[16:24] <dednick> sigh.... i want to go home now :(
[16:25] <tsdgeos> dandrader: if you're in monday you can have a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/horizontalJournal/+merge/199834
[16:25] <Cimi> dednick, you don't work from home?
[16:26] <dednick> Cimi: I am home
[16:26] <dandrader> tsdgeos, I won't, but I can get started on it today
[16:26] <Cimi> dednick, so why yu want to go home? :)
[16:26] <dednick> Cimi: :) because I'm tired of fighting with tests!
[16:27] <Cimi> dednick, it's one of the easiest days... you run your command echoing to a log file,then you use grep :P
[16:45] <dednick> Saviq: do you know where to find the logs of an app trying to be started by unity8?
[16:46] <Saviq> dednick, ~/.cache/upstart/application-*.log
[16:47] <dednick> Saviq: just says "Error"
[16:47] <dednick> Saviq: it's using upstart right?
[16:47] <dednick> where are the upstart logs? :)
[16:47] <Saviq> dednick, yes, upstart-app-launch to be exact
[16:48] <Saviq> dednick, they *are* the upstart logs
[16:48] <Saviq> dednick, i.e. if anything's output by the job, it'd be there
[16:48] <dednick> Saviq: yeah, but isn't there a log for the upstart daemon?
[16:48] <dednick> as in the thing calling upstart-app-launch
[16:49] <Saviq> dednick, not sure
[16:49] <Saviq> dednick, maybe http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/ has some info
[16:55] <tsdgeos> ok, guys, happy holidays, see you next year!
[16:56] <mhr3_> mzanetti, https://code.launchpad.net/~mhr3/unity-scopes-shell/scopes-list-delay-envvar/+merge/199840
[16:56] <mhr3_> quick workaround for the frickin qmlplugindump issue ^
[16:58] <dednick> lol, wtf is that?!
[16:59] <mhr3_> dednick, that's qmlplugindump being broken pile of ...
[17:00] <dednick> ahha, because it creates the objects?
[17:00] <mhr3_> yea, and doesn't delete them
[17:00] <mhr3_> yet it does unload the module on exit
[17:00] <mhr3_> very clever
[17:01] <mhr3_> scratch that, if it did it on exit, it'd be fine, it unloads it after it's done with the introspection
[17:04] <mhr3_> dednick, feel free to approve it since you've looked at it :)
[17:04] <dednick> mhr3_: lol, eww. don't want my name next to that!
[17:04] <dednick> mhr3_: should just remove plugindump until it's fixed.
[17:05] <mhr3_> we all know noone will fix it for this usecase :P
[17:05] <dednick> you could!
[17:05] <mhr3_> first i'd have to convince them there's a problem
[17:06] <mhr3_> don't want a fix next year, want it now! :P
[17:06] <dednick> mhr3_: right, and until that time, remove it! :)
[17:06] <mhr3_> but then you wouldn't have introspection in qtcreator
[17:06] <mhr3_> that'd be terrible
[17:07] <mhr3_> dednick, and the best part - it allows me to run the tests with lower delay, so they run 900ms faster!!!
[17:07] <dednick> mhr3_: is the load always supposed to be async?
[17:07] <mhr3_> and that's worth it! :P
[17:07] <mhr3_> yes
[17:08] <dednick> mhr3_: and presumably you mean 90ms faster?
[17:08] <mhr3_> dednick, no, i mean 900ms
[17:09] <dednick> or 95 rather. you changed from 100 to 5
[17:09] <mhr3_> dednick, each test is standalone and recreates the whole thing
[17:09] <dednick> mhr3_: oh, you mean in total
[17:09] <dednick> ok
[17:10] <dednick> marginal! :)
[17:10] <mhr3_> right?!
[17:10] <dednick> mhr3_: uuu, does adding a static to clas change ABI?
[17:11] <mhr3_> dednick, doesn't matter, it's a plugin, not a library
[17:11] <dednick> mhr3_: is scopes.h not an interface?
[17:11] <mhr3_> no, it just defines the Scopes object for qml
[17:12] <mhr3_> but fwiw i don't think static would change the abi
[17:12] <dednick> mhr3_: ok. good enough for me then. except that it's pretty gross. :)
[17:13] <mhr3_> dednick, meh, you need to close one eye from time to time :)
[17:13] <mhr3_> rather ;)
[17:13] <dednick> approved
[17:13] <mhr3_> thx
[17:15] <mhr3_> and with that i bid farewell, enjoy holidays everyone!
[17:23] <mzanetti> dednick: thanks ... was eating
[17:24] <mzanetti> mhr3_: is this that qmldump issue? https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/unity-scopes-shell-trusty-i386-ci/34/console
[17:25] <mzanetti> mhr3_: doesn't like... seems a real issue somewhere
[18:23]  * greyback eow, will be here Monday