| Kilos | guten morgen :D | 05:11 |
|---|---|---|
| superfly | good morning oom Kilos | 05:17 |
| Kilos | hello superfly | 05:18 |
| * superfly is doing the train thing | 05:18 | |
| Kilos | shame, go safe | 05:19 |
| Kilos | do you peeps also close soon for the festive season? | 05:19 |
| superfly | shame? i do this every day (well, every work day) | 05:19 |
| superfly | ya | 05:20 |
| superfly | today is our last day | 05:20 |
| Kilos | cool then lotsa family time | 05:20 |
| superfly | on leave for two weeks | 05:20 |
| Kilos | all well there superfly ? | 05:20 |
| superfly | yup | 05:20 |
| superfly | how are you, oom? | 05:21 |
| Kilos | not too bad ty, just one niggling old man prob | 05:21 |
| * superfly feels like an old man some days | 05:22 | |
| Kilos | ai! you work too hard man | 05:23 |
| Kilos | how you gonna feel in 20 years time | 05:23 |
| superfly | moeg and sore and worn out | 05:23 |
| superfly | like this? | 05:23 |
| Kilos | whew | 05:23 |
| Kilos | not enough coffee | 05:24 |
| superfly | yes. need more coffee! | 05:31 |
| Kilos | actually strange thing happened here, swaar only ever drank coffee and now suddenly at 65 became allergic to it | 05:39 |
| Kilos | instant upset stomach within 15 minutes from one cuppa | 05:40 |
| Kilos | hi bduk | 05:55 |
| bduk | More Kilos en almal | 06:00 |
| Squirm | morning | 06:26 |
| Kilos | hi Squirm ThatGraemeGuy Xethron | 06:30 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | morning :) | 06:36 |
| gwood | what does everyone think of this: | 06:58 |
| gwood | https://www.fsf.org/news/gluglug-x60-laptop-now-certified-to-respect-your-freedom | 06:58 |
| Kilos | hi gwood thats a good sign | 07:02 |
| Kilos | looks promising for the future | 07:02 |
| Kilos | its a start anyway | 07:02 |
| Kilos | but its for women only | 07:04 |
| Kilos | Proprietary software is by nature fundamentally insecure, because it uses both force of law and technological measures to prohibit a user from controlling and securing her own computer. | 07:04 |
| Kilos | hehe | 07:04 |
| Kilos | hi Vince-0 | 07:10 |
| gwood | yes, the direction Windows 8 is taking is what scared me into switching completely to GNU/Linux as my only OS on my laptop | 07:16 |
| gwood | i've even switched from the stock Google Android, to instead use Cyanogenmod, because of all the privacy issues i was finding with Googles version Android | 07:17 |
| Vince-0 | Hi! | 07:18 |
| gwood | Cyanogenmod is really cool, i got quite a performance boost for my phone and the advanced privacy features are features google would never provide | 07:19 |
| Kilos | cool | 07:23 |
| Kilos | ThatGraemeGuy: you use kde hey? | 07:26 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | yup | 07:26 |
| Kilos | when you hover mouse over something and the popup tells you what it is | 07:26 |
| Kilos | what do you call that popup | 07:26 |
| Kilos | i need to try change its text from white onna white background | 07:27 |
| Kilos | so just want to know what to google for | 07:27 |
| Kilos | oh white on light grey background | 07:28 |
| Kilos | eye cant see text | 07:29 |
| Kilos | i caused it by upgrading 12.04 to kde 4.10 and it is lekker except for that and white clock | 07:33 |
| Kilos | im naughty i know | 07:33 |
| charl | good morning\ | 08:28 |
| charl | Maaz_: coffee on | 08:35 |
| * Maaz_ starts grinding coffee | 08:35 | |
| Kilos | hi charl | 08:39 |
| Maaz_ | Coffee's ready for charl! | 08:39 |
| liamT | morning people | 08:42 |
| charl | Maaz_: thanks | 08:44 |
| Maaz_ | charl: Okay :-) | 08:44 |
| charl | liamT: hi | 08:44 |
| liamT | anyone good at figuring out ssh errors - I reduced the MaxAuthTries to 2 on the server, an have no PasswdAuth, so of course I get "too many authentication failures" when trying to ssh in | 08:46 |
| Kilos | ohi liamT | 08:47 |
| Kilos | eish | 08:47 |
| liamT | yes, eish | 08:47 |
| Kilos | did you lose the password? | 08:48 |
| Kilos | forget | 08:48 |
| liamT | disabled password logins, so it doesn't ask for it | 08:48 |
| liamT | yes yes, silly me, i lock myself out quite regularly | 08:48 |
| Kilos | lol | 08:48 |
| liamT | but I don't have terminal access to the server, and everyone is one leave | 08:49 |
| Kilos | if the password is disabled why is it doing that | 08:49 |
| Kilos | better to have a password in that case, but dont forget it | 08:49 |
| Kilos | if you try ssh to it from another terminal does it still show 2 fails | 08:50 |
| liamT | i'm using ssh keys to login, no password - it offers the keys in no intelligent order, so can quickly exceed the maximum limit if you have lots of them | 08:50 |
| Kilos | eeek | 08:51 |
| Kilos | how did you get in before to set it up? | 08:52 |
| Kilos | wb Tonberry | 08:52 |
| liamT | well, the MaxAuthTries was much higher | 08:52 |
| liamT | i guess I'll have to keep fiddling | 08:52 |
| Kilos | where is the server | 08:53 |
| Kilos | local? | 08:53 |
| liamT | remote | 08:53 |
| Kilos | ai! | 08:53 |
| liamT | I have no physical access to it | 08:53 |
| liamT | blerry eejit | 08:53 |
| Kilos | i dont understand though how you can exceed maxtries if the pw is disabled | 08:54 |
| Kilos | did you try just hitting enter with no password | 08:55 |
| Kilos | hehe | 08:55 |
| liamT | if one ssh key doesn't work, MaxTries goes up one | 08:55 |
| liamT | gah, no stress, I'll just have to wait till Jan | 08:56 |
| Kilos | ok now maxtries is that from one pc only | 08:56 |
| Kilos | someone must know how to get around it | 08:56 |
| Kilos | maybe someone else put a password on it | 08:57 |
| Kilos | fone them | 08:57 |
| Kilos | not safe to have a remote server with passwd disabled anyway | 08:58 |
| liamT | it was only me with access, i would think it safer to have no password, and use a ssh key rather | 08:58 |
| liamT | unless you lock yourself out of course | 08:59 |
| Squirm | liamT: I would have thought that by using an ssh key, you would bypass the whole password authentication | 08:59 |
| Squirm | it shouldn't even give you the option to enter a password | 08:59 |
| liamT | that's correct, there is no option to enter a password | 09:03 |
| liamT | but still, if you offer incorrect keys more than the limit the account is locked for a certain period | 09:04 |
| Kilos | oo yay got my hover text black on light gray | 09:18 |
| Kilos | had to change from oxygen to desktop application goody | 09:19 |
| Kilos | hi psyatw | 09:20 |
| psyatw | hi Kilos | 09:20 |
| psyatw | wow | 09:20 |
| psyatw | 10 seconds to respond is not bad | 09:21 |
| Kilos | lol | 09:21 |
| Kilos | you lucky i was right here | 09:21 |
| Kilos | sometimes im cooking or sorting sheep | 09:22 |
| Kilos | or sleeping | 09:22 |
| psyatw | yeah | 09:22 |
| psyatw | I do that too, yes | 09:22 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | Kilos: sorry.... you still struggling with that colour scheme issue? | 09:23 |
| Kilos | got it now ty ThatGraemeGuy , only my clock is still white but now i have an idea what to do | 09:24 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | cool | 09:25 |
| Kilos | will change everything to desktop apps | 09:25 |
| Kilos | found a link for pclinux but it worked here so yay | 09:25 |
| Symmetria | http://www.amazon.com/Zenith-96-0529-4035-Tourbillon-Titanium-Chronograph/dp/B001K3IXW8/ | 09:41 |
| Symmetria | wtf look at the price on that | 09:41 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | man 46% off they're practically giving it away! :-D | 09:46 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | you'd think at that price they could waive the $9.95 shipping charge | 09:46 |
| Squirm | Symmetria: when is the ETA? | 09:53 |
| Kilos | sjoe | 12:46 |
| kbmonkey | hello | 14:12 |
| Kilos | hi kbmonkey | 14:29 |
| Kilos | howsit there? | 14:30 |
| kbmonkey | goet Kilos - guten tag! | 14:30 |
| Kilos | hehe | 14:30 |
| Kilos | zehr gut or sehr gut one of them | 14:31 |
| Kilos | inetpro: which one? | 14:31 |
| charl | got pidgin working nicely with microsoft lync server 2013 using sipe http://sipe.sourceforge.net/ | 15:22 |
| charl | messaging and presence working perfectly | 15:22 |
| charl | no voip though | 15:23 |
| Kilos | charl: what are you doing? | 15:25 |
| charl | Kilos: connecting to a corporate instant messaging platform | 15:58 |
| Kilos | oh from your pc with pidgin-sipe | 15:59 |
| Kilos | pidgin is a wonderful app | 16:00 |
| kbmonkey | no rain today Kilos ? | 16:00 |
| Kilos | only i havent tried otr in a group because i think it works pc to pc like dcc here | 16:00 |
| Kilos | maybe late tonight kbmonkey | 16:00 |
| * Kilos gots a lekker kde 4.10 running here on 12.04 | 16:02 | |
| charl | otr is person to person i think | 16:02 |
| Kilos | ya same as dcc | 16:02 |
| charl | but you can also use it with mobile clients like chatsecure | 16:02 |
| Kilos | the pcs sync to each other | 16:03 |
| charl | no otr i think still sends all the traffic through the server | 16:03 |
| charl | but it's encrypted end to end | 16:03 |
| Kilos | ya but scrambled | 16:03 |
| charl | dcc sends data in plaintext but directly between the end nodes | 16:04 |
| Kilos | the scrambling works pc to pc through the server | 16:04 |
| charl | you could say that, in the case of otr | 16:04 |
| Kilos | i spose the owners of that server might be able to unscramble it | 16:05 |
| charl | they shouldn't be able to | 16:05 |
| kbmonkey | that depends if they use symmetric or asymmetric | 16:05 |
| charl | because if that is the case the encryption is too weak | 16:05 |
| Kilos | iirc the pcs scramble to each other so will be hard to crack | 16:06 |
| * kbmonkey does not trust IM over 3rd parties | 16:06 | |
| * kbmonkey dons a tinfoil hat | 16:06 | |
| Kilos | i reckon pidgin otr is as safe as it gets kbmonkey | 16:06 |
| kbmonkey | otr? | 16:07 |
| charl | kbmonkey: no even if you use symmetric encryption, if you keep the keys safe, a man in the middle attack is useless | 16:07 |
| Kilos | off the record | 16:07 |
| kbmonkey | by symmetric I mean if they own the passphrase | 16:07 |
| kbmonkey | oh lol, no off the record does not mean secure ;P | 16:07 |
| charl | the idea behind end to end is that they don't\ | 16:08 |
| kbmonkey | it just doesn't record to chat history | 16:08 |
| charl | otherwise there is no point | 16:08 |
| Kilos | xchat has otr as well but hard to setup | 16:08 |
| kbmonkey | ah got ya charl ! | 16:08 |
| charl | http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/OTR | 16:09 |
| charl | "Off-the-Record Messaging, commonly referred to as OTR, is a cryptographic protocol that provides strong encryption for instant messaging conversations. OTR uses a combination of the AES symmetric-key algorithm, the Diffie?Hellman key exchange, and the SHA-1 hash function. In addition to authentication and encryption, OTR provides perfect forward secrecy and malleable encryption. " | 16:09 |
| Kilos | see they clever | 16:09 |
| kbmonkey | never knew they had that, thanks charl ! | 16:10 |
| Kilos | on irc dcc is easier | 16:11 |
| Kilos | pidgin has the otr setup worked out much better | 16:12 |
| charl | i have six ciphers on my own xmpp server that are comparable https://xmpp.net/result.php?domain=charl.eu&type=client | 16:12 |
| charl | but that's for tls, not end to end | 16:12 |
| Kilos | tls? | 16:13 |
| charl | that's for c2s not e2e to use the acronyms :) | 16:13 |
| charl | and for s2s | 16:13 |
| Kilos | did you see charl i can even see smileys in konversation | 16:14 |
| Kilos | im getting more and more into kde | 16:14 |
| charl | telepathy is also very good | 16:14 |
| Kilos | so the unity peeps better make a good 14.04 otherwise i go kde full time | 16:15 |
| charl | i like being able to see linked images inline | 16:15 |
| kbmonkey | charl, check this out, also very interesting! http://www.cs.tau.ac.il/~tromer/acoustic/ | 16:15 |
| charl | i have completely lost all interest in unity | 16:15 |
| Kilos | and konversation can underline with ctrl+r if you want to go afk and dont want to scroll back until you recognise something said | 16:16 |
| Kilos | 12.04 unity is good | 16:16 |
| charl | kbmonkey: very cool | 16:16 |
| charl | that is handy | 16:16 |
| charl | the line | 16:17 |
| charl | ok i'm off | 16:17 |
| charl | ttyl | 16:17 |
| Kilos | cheers | 16:18 |
| kbmonkey | ciao! | 16:24 |
| superfly | holidays! | 16:28 |
| kbmonkey | hurrah! | 16:29 |
| Kilos | yay now try get some rest superfly | 16:30 |
| superfly | Kilos: hahaha! great joke | 16:30 |
| Kilos | sorry | 16:30 |
| kbmonkey | gonna work hard at the gym these hols! | 16:32 |
| kbmonkey | lol | 16:32 |
| kbmonkey | normally work is too draining to care for exercise | 16:32 |
| Kilos | sjoe | 16:34 |
| Kilos | dont forget the meeting on the 23rd kbmonkey | 16:35 |
| Kilos | one of your open discussion things i think | 16:36 |
| kbmonkey | right! thanks kilo:] | 16:36 |
| Kilos | aw that didnt show a smiley | 16:36 |
| kbmonkey | but isnt that monthly meet? | 16:37 |
| Kilos | yes | 16:37 |
| kbmonkey | 4th monday | 16:37 |
| Kilos | but most peeps will be on hols and no events etc to discuss | 16:37 |
| kbmonkey | ah yes, oraait it it sounds fun! | 16:39 |
| Kilos | inetpro: waar kryp jy weg? | 17:18 |
| Kilos | sjoe we are min here | 17:22 |
| kbmonkey | ya we on holiday ;P | 17:24 |
| Kilos | why do your smileys show as text here | 17:28 |
| Kilos | :P | 17:28 |
| Kilos | do that | 17:28 |
| kbmonkey | I only see text lol | 17:30 |
| kbmonkey | my smileys are not limited I have a range of emotions! | 17:30 |
| kbmonkey | hehe | 17:30 |
| Kilos | grrr | 17:35 |
| kbmonkey | :> | 17:43 |
| kbmonkey | now I know what makes you angry Kilos :} | 17:43 |
| Kilos | lol i will find why it dont show here and fix it | 17:43 |
| Kilos | http://packages.debian.org/sid/kdeartwork-emoticons | 17:44 |
| Kilos | somewhere there or so | 17:44 |
| kbmonkey | my emotis are obviously very special! | 17:48 |
| Kilos | lol | 17:49 |
| Kilos | i just wanna see what peeps send at me | 17:49 |
| Trixar_za | I sometimes wonder about people | 17:53 |
| kbmonkey | well kilos there are many types of ascii smileys, I guess only a few of them have matching image icons | 17:53 |
| kbmonkey | for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_emoticons | 17:54 |
| Kilos | where you get ;p | 17:56 |
| Kilos | ; | 17:56 |
| Kilos | ;P | 17:56 |
| kbmonkey | lol. its a combine of winking and tongue | 17:57 |
| kbmonkey | I did not say that was a full list | 17:57 |
| Kilos | you gotta use whats recognised not your own typos | 17:57 |
| kbmonkey | LOL | 17:58 |
| kbmonkey | no | 17:58 |
| kbmonkey | I like my typos | 17:58 |
| Kilos | grrr | 17:58 |
| Kilos | im gonna get a knife smiley and cut off tongues that stick out at me | 17:59 |
| kbmonkey | you mean like this? http://gifs.gifbin.com/150638g68.gif | 18:00 |
| Kilos | rofl | 18:01 |
| Kilos | thats good | 18:01 |
| kbmonkey | hahaha | 18:02 |
| Kilos | Maaz_: tongue smileys is <reply> http://gifs.gifbin.com/150638g68.gif | 18:02 |
| Maaz_ | Kilos: I'll remember that | 18:02 |
| Kilos | Maaz_: shorten http://gifs.gifbin.com/150638g68.gif | 18:03 |
| Maaz_ | Kilos: That reduces to: http://is.gd/QNrBfG | 18:03 |
| Trixar_za | I want to do a citation needed on that page | 18:03 |
| Trixar_za | It's not Wikipedia if they don't have citation needed on just about every page with minimal references | 18:04 |
| Kilos | ill just tell maaz to give that link if peeps give me tongues | 18:05 |
| Kilos | whats the diffs between smileys and emoticons | 18:15 |
| Kilos | they look the same to me | 18:15 |
| Kilos | hi psychicist | 18:41 |
| theblazehen | hey guys | 19:16 |
| Kilos | hi theblazehen | 19:19 |
| Kilos | sorry im slow, busy watching the tomorrow people | 19:19 |
| theblazehen | Tomorrow people? | 19:19 |
| Kilos | yeah peeps with lekker powers | 19:20 |
| Kilos | on mnet | 19:20 |
| theblazehen | ah ok | 19:21 |
| theblazehen | Just started, or been on for a while? Might watch | 19:22 |
| Kilos | near finished | 19:22 |
| theblazehen | Ah :( | 19:22 |
| Kilos | but if you can get the series somewhere its worth it | 19:22 |
| theblazehen | Will try :) | 19:22 |
| theblazehen | BTW I made my first ubuntu-based distro today :) | 19:23 |
| Kilos | well done | 19:23 |
| theblazehen | ty :) | 19:24 |
| Kilos | night all. sleep tight | 19:40 |
| charl | Maaz_: seen cantide | 22:43 |
| Maaz_ | charl: cantide was last seen 1 month, 8 days, 16 hours, 2 minutes and 57 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2013-11-11 22:40:07 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2013-11-11 22:46:37 PST | 22:43 |
| charl | wonder how it's going with the guy in korea | 22:43 |
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