[05:11] guten morgen :D [05:17] good morning oom Kilos [05:18] hello superfly [05:18] * superfly is doing the train thing [05:19] shame, go safe [05:19] do you peeps also close soon for the festive season? [05:19] shame? i do this every day (well, every work day) [05:20] ya [05:20] today is our last day [05:20] cool then lotsa family time [05:20] on leave for two weeks [05:20] all well there superfly ? [05:20] yup [05:21] how are you, oom? [05:21] not too bad ty, just one niggling old man prob [05:22] * superfly feels like an old man some days [05:23] ai! you work too hard man [05:23] how you gonna feel in 20 years time [05:23] moeg and sore and worn out [05:23] like this? [05:23] whew [05:24] not enough coffee [05:31] yes. need more coffee! [05:39] actually strange thing happened here, swaar only ever drank coffee and now suddenly at 65 became allergic to it [05:40] instant upset stomach within 15 minutes from one cuppa [05:55] hi bduk [06:00] More Kilos en almal [06:26] morning [06:30] hi Squirm ThatGraemeGuy Xethron [06:36] morning :) [06:58] what does everyone think of this: [06:58] https://www.fsf.org/news/gluglug-x60-laptop-now-certified-to-respect-your-freedom [07:02] hi gwood thats a good sign [07:02] looks promising for the future [07:02] its a start anyway [07:04] but its for women only [07:04] Proprietary software is by nature fundamentally insecure, because it uses both force of law and technological measures to prohibit a user from controlling and securing her own computer. [07:04] hehe [07:10] hi Vince-0 [07:16] yes, the direction Windows 8 is taking is what scared me into switching completely to GNU/Linux as my only OS on my laptop [07:17] i've even switched from the stock Google Android, to instead use Cyanogenmod, because of all the privacy issues i was finding with Googles version Android [07:18] Hi! [07:19] Cyanogenmod is really cool, i got quite a performance boost for my phone and the advanced privacy features are features google would never provide [07:23] cool [07:26] ThatGraemeGuy: you use kde hey? [07:26] yup [07:26] when you hover mouse over something and the popup tells you what it is [07:26] what do you call that popup [07:27] i need to try change its text from white onna white background [07:27] so just want to know what to google for [07:28] oh white on light grey background [07:29] eye cant see text [07:33] i caused it by upgrading 12.04 to kde 4.10 and it is lekker except for that and white clock [07:33] im naughty i know [08:28] good morning\ [08:35] Maaz_: coffee on [08:35] * Maaz_ starts grinding coffee [08:39] hi charl [08:39] Coffee's ready for charl! [08:42] morning people [08:44] Maaz_: thanks [08:44] charl: Okay :-) [08:44] liamT: hi [08:46] anyone good at figuring out ssh errors - I reduced the MaxAuthTries to 2 on the server, an have no PasswdAuth, so of course I get "too many authentication failures" when trying to ssh in [08:47] ohi liamT [08:47] eish [08:47] yes, eish [08:48] did you lose the password? [08:48] forget [08:48] disabled password logins, so it doesn't ask for it [08:48] yes yes, silly me, i lock myself out quite regularly [08:48] lol [08:49] but I don't have terminal access to the server, and everyone is one leave [08:49] if the password is disabled why is it doing that [08:49] better to have a password in that case, but dont forget it [08:50] if you try ssh to it from another terminal does it still show 2 fails [08:50] i'm using ssh keys to login, no password - it offers the keys in no intelligent order, so can quickly exceed the maximum limit if you have lots of them [08:51] eeek [08:52] how did you get in before to set it up? [08:52] wb Tonberry [08:52] well, the MaxAuthTries was much higher [08:52] i guess I'll have to keep fiddling [08:53] where is the server [08:53] local? [08:53] remote [08:53] ai! [08:53] I have no physical access to it [08:53] blerry eejit [08:54] i dont understand though how you can exceed maxtries if the pw is disabled [08:55] did you try just hitting enter with no password [08:55] hehe [08:55] if one ssh key doesn't work, MaxTries goes up one [08:56] gah, no stress, I'll just have to wait till Jan [08:56] ok now maxtries is that from one pc only [08:56] someone must know how to get around it [08:57] maybe someone else put a password on it [08:57] fone them [08:58] not safe to have a remote server with passwd disabled anyway [08:58] it was only me with access, i would think it safer to have no password, and use a ssh key rather [08:59] unless you lock yourself out of course [08:59] liamT: I would have thought that by using an ssh key, you would bypass the whole password authentication [08:59] it shouldn't even give you the option to enter a password [09:03] that's correct, there is no option to enter a password [09:04] but still, if you offer incorrect keys more than the limit the account is locked for a certain period [09:18] oo yay got my hover text black on light gray [09:19] had to change from oxygen to desktop application goody [09:20] hi psyatw [09:20] hi Kilos [09:20] wow [09:21] 10 seconds to respond is not bad [09:21] lol [09:21] you lucky i was right here [09:22] sometimes im cooking or sorting sheep [09:22] or sleeping [09:22] yeah [09:22] I do that too, yes [09:23] Kilos: sorry.... you still struggling with that colour scheme issue? [09:24] got it now ty ThatGraemeGuy , only my clock is still white but now i have an idea what to do [09:25] cool [09:25] will change everything to desktop apps [09:25] found a link for pclinux but it worked here so yay [09:41] http://www.amazon.com/Zenith-96-0529-4035-Tourbillon-Titanium-Chronograph/dp/B001K3IXW8/ [09:41] wtf look at the price on that [09:46] man 46% off they're practically giving it away! :-D [09:46] you'd think at that price they could waive the $9.95 shipping charge [09:53] Symmetria: when is the ETA? [12:46] sjoe [14:12] hello [14:29] hi kbmonkey [14:30] howsit there? [14:30] goet Kilos - guten tag! [14:30] hehe [14:31] zehr gut or sehr gut one of them [14:31] inetpro: which one? [15:22] got pidgin working nicely with microsoft lync server 2013 using sipe http://sipe.sourceforge.net/ [15:22] messaging and presence working perfectly [15:23] no voip though [15:25] charl: what are you doing? [15:58] Kilos: connecting to a corporate instant messaging platform [15:59] oh from your pc with pidgin-sipe [16:00] pidgin is a wonderful app [16:00] no rain today Kilos ? [16:00] only i havent tried otr in a group because i think it works pc to pc like dcc here [16:00] maybe late tonight kbmonkey [16:02] * Kilos gots a lekker kde 4.10 running here on 12.04 [16:02] otr is person to person i think [16:02] ya same as dcc [16:02] but you can also use it with mobile clients like chatsecure [16:03] the pcs sync to each other [16:03] no otr i think still sends all the traffic through the server [16:03] but it's encrypted end to end [16:03] ya but scrambled [16:04] dcc sends data in plaintext but directly between the end nodes [16:04] the scrambling works pc to pc through the server [16:04] you could say that, in the case of otr [16:05] i spose the owners of that server might be able to unscramble it [16:05] they shouldn't be able to [16:05] that depends if they use symmetric or asymmetric [16:05] because if that is the case the encryption is too weak [16:06] iirc the pcs scramble to each other so will be hard to crack [16:06] * kbmonkey does not trust IM over 3rd parties [16:06] * kbmonkey dons a tinfoil hat [16:06] i reckon pidgin otr is as safe as it gets kbmonkey [16:07] otr? [16:07] kbmonkey: no even if you use symmetric encryption, if you keep the keys safe, a man in the middle attack is useless [16:07] off the record [16:07] by symmetric I mean if they own the passphrase [16:07] oh lol, no off the record does not mean secure ;P [16:08] the idea behind end to end is that they don't\ [16:08] it just doesn't record to chat history [16:08] otherwise there is no point [16:08] xchat has otr as well but hard to setup [16:08] ah got ya charl ! [16:09] http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/OTR [16:09] "Off-the-Record Messaging, commonly referred to as OTR, is a cryptographic protocol that provides strong encryption for instant messaging conversations. OTR uses a combination of the AES symmetric-key algorithm, the Diffie?Hellman key exchange, and the SHA-1 hash function. In addition to authentication and encryption, OTR provides perfect forward secrecy and malleable encryption. " [16:09] see they clever [16:10] never knew they had that, thanks charl ! [16:11] on irc dcc is easier [16:12] pidgin has the otr setup worked out much better [16:12] i have six ciphers on my own xmpp server that are comparable https://xmpp.net/result.php?domain=charl.eu&type=client [16:12] but that's for tls, not end to end [16:13] tls? [16:13] that's for c2s not e2e to use the acronyms :) [16:13] and for s2s [16:14] did you see charl i can even see smileys in konversation [16:14] im getting more and more into kde [16:14] telepathy is also very good [16:15] so the unity peeps better make a good 14.04 otherwise i go kde full time [16:15] i like being able to see linked images inline [16:15] charl, check this out, also very interesting! http://www.cs.tau.ac.il/~tromer/acoustic/ [16:15] i have completely lost all interest in unity [16:16] and konversation can underline with ctrl+r if you want to go afk and dont want to scroll back until you recognise something said [16:16] 12.04 unity is good [16:16] kbmonkey: very cool [16:16] that is handy [16:17] the line [16:17] ok i'm off [16:17] ttyl [16:18] cheers [16:24] ciao! [16:28] holidays! [16:29] hurrah! [16:30] yay now try get some rest superfly [16:30] Kilos: hahaha! great joke [16:30] sorry [16:32] gonna work hard at the gym these hols! [16:32] lol [16:32] normally work is too draining to care for exercise [16:34] sjoe [16:35] dont forget the meeting on the 23rd kbmonkey [16:36] one of your open discussion things i think [16:36] right! thanks kilo :] [16:36] aw that didnt show a smiley [16:37] but isnt that monthly meet? [16:37] yes [16:37] 4th monday [16:37] but most peeps will be on hols and no events etc to discuss [16:39] ah yes, oraait it it sounds fun! [17:18] inetpro: waar kryp jy weg? [17:22] sjoe we are min here [17:24] ya we on holiday ;P [17:28] why do your smileys show as text here [17:28] :P [17:28] do that [17:30] I only see text lol [17:30] my smileys are not limited I have a range of emotions! [17:30] hehe [17:35] grrr [17:43] :> [17:43] now I know what makes you angry Kilos :} [17:43] lol i will find why it dont show here and fix it [17:44] http://packages.debian.org/sid/kdeartwork-emoticons [17:44] somewhere there or so [17:48] my emotis are obviously very special! [17:49] lol [17:49] i just wanna see what peeps send at me [17:53] I sometimes wonder about people [17:53] well kilos there are many types of ascii smileys, I guess only a few of them have matching image icons [17:54] for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_emoticons [17:56] where you get ;p [17:56] ; [17:56] ;P [17:57] lol. its a combine of winking and tongue [17:57] I did not say that was a full list [17:57] you gotta use whats recognised not your own typos [17:58] LOL [17:58] no [17:58] I like my typos [17:58] grrr [17:59] im gonna get a knife smiley and cut off tongues that stick out at me [18:00] you mean like this? http://gifs.gifbin.com/150638g68.gif [18:01] rofl [18:01] thats good [18:02] hahaha [18:02] Maaz_: tongue smileys is http://gifs.gifbin.com/150638g68.gif [18:02] Kilos: I'll remember that [18:03] Maaz_: shorten http://gifs.gifbin.com/150638g68.gif [18:03] Kilos: That reduces to: http://is.gd/QNrBfG [18:03] I want to do a citation needed on that page [18:04] It's not Wikipedia if they don't have citation needed on just about every page with minimal references [18:05] ill just tell maaz to give that link if peeps give me tongues [18:15] whats the diffs between smileys and emoticons [18:15] they look the same to me [18:41] hi psychicist [19:16] hey guys [19:19] hi theblazehen [19:19] sorry im slow, busy watching the tomorrow people [19:19] Tomorrow people? [19:20] yeah peeps with lekker powers [19:20] on mnet [19:21] ah ok [19:22] Just started, or been on for a while? Might watch [19:22] near finished [19:22] Ah :( [19:22] but if you can get the series somewhere its worth it [19:22] Will try :) [19:23] BTW I made my first ubuntu-based distro today :) [19:23] well done [19:24] ty :) [19:40] night all. sleep tight [22:43] Maaz_: seen cantide [22:43] charl: cantide was last seen 1 month, 8 days, 16 hours, 2 minutes and 57 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2013-11-11 22:40:07 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2013-11-11 22:46:37 PST [22:43] wonder how it's going with the guy in korea