[05:11] <Kilos> guten morgen :D
[05:17] <superfly> good morning oom Kilos 
[05:18] <Kilos> hello superfly 
[05:18]  * superfly is doing the train thing
[05:19] <Kilos> shame, go safe
[05:19] <Kilos> do you peeps also close soon for the festive season?
[05:19] <superfly> shame? i do this every day (well, every work day)
[05:20] <superfly> ya
[05:20] <superfly> today is our last day
[05:20] <Kilos> cool then lotsa family time
[05:20] <superfly> on leave for two weeks
[05:20] <Kilos> all well there superfly ?
[05:20] <superfly> yup
[05:21] <superfly> how are you, oom?
[05:21] <Kilos> not too bad ty, just one niggling old man prob
[05:22]  * superfly feels like an old man some days
[05:23] <Kilos> ai! you work too hard man
[05:23] <Kilos> how you gonna feel in 20 years time
[05:23] <superfly> moeg and sore and worn out
[05:23] <superfly> like this?
[05:23] <Kilos> whew
[05:24] <Kilos> not enough coffee
[05:31] <superfly> yes. need more coffee!
[05:39] <Kilos> actually strange thing happened here, swaar only ever drank coffee and now suddenly at 65 became allergic to it
[05:40] <Kilos> instant upset stomach within 15 minutes from one cuppa
[05:55] <Kilos> hi bduk 
[06:00] <bduk> More Kilos  en almal
[06:26] <Squirm> morning
[06:30] <Kilos> hi Squirm ThatGraemeGuy Xethron 
[06:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning :)
[06:58] <gwood> what does everyone think of this:
[06:58] <gwood> https://www.fsf.org/news/gluglug-x60-laptop-now-certified-to-respect-your-freedom
[07:02] <Kilos> hi gwood thats a good sign
[07:02] <Kilos> looks promising for the future
[07:02] <Kilos> its a start anyway
[07:04] <Kilos> but its for women only
[07:04] <Kilos> Proprietary software is by nature fundamentally insecure, because it uses both force of law and technological measures to prohibit a user from controlling and securing her own computer.
[07:04] <Kilos> hehe
[07:10] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[07:16] <gwood> yes, the direction Windows 8 is taking is what scared me into switching completely to GNU/Linux as my only OS on my laptop
[07:17] <gwood> i've even switched from the stock Google Android, to instead use Cyanogenmod, because of all the privacy issues i was finding with Googles version Android
[07:18] <Vince-0> Hi!
[07:19] <gwood> Cyanogenmod is really cool, i got quite a performance boost for my phone and the advanced privacy features are features google would never provide
[07:23] <Kilos> cool
[07:26] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy: you use kde hey?
[07:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> yup
[07:26] <Kilos> when you hover mouse over something and the popup tells you what it is
[07:26] <Kilos> what do you call that popup
[07:27] <Kilos> i need to try change its text from white onna white background
[07:27] <Kilos> so just want to know what to google for
[07:28] <Kilos> oh white on light grey background
[07:29] <Kilos> eye cant see text
[07:33] <Kilos> i caused it by upgrading 12.04 to kde 4.10 and it is lekker except for that and white clock
[07:33] <Kilos> im naughty i know
[08:28] <charl> good morning\
[08:35] <charl> Maaz_: coffee on
[08:35]  * Maaz_ starts grinding coffee
[08:39] <Kilos> hi charl 
[08:39] <Maaz_> Coffee's ready for charl!
[08:42] <liamT> morning people
[08:44] <charl> Maaz_: thanks
[08:44] <Maaz_> charl: Okay :-)
[08:44] <charl> liamT: hi
[08:46] <liamT> anyone good at figuring out ssh errors - I reduced the MaxAuthTries to 2 on the server, an have no PasswdAuth, so of course I get "too many authentication failures" when trying to ssh in
[08:47] <Kilos> ohi liamT 
[08:47] <Kilos> eish
[08:47] <liamT> yes, eish
[08:48] <Kilos> did you lose the password?
[08:48] <Kilos> forget
[08:48] <liamT> disabled password logins, so it doesn't ask for it
[08:48] <liamT> yes yes, silly me, i lock myself out quite regularly
[08:48] <Kilos> lol
[08:49] <liamT> but I don't have terminal access to the server, and everyone is one leave
[08:49] <Kilos> if the password is disabled why is it doing that
[08:49] <Kilos> better to have a password in that case, but dont forget it
[08:50] <Kilos> if you try ssh to it from another terminal does it still show 2 fails
[08:50] <liamT> i'm using ssh keys to login, no password - it offers the keys in no intelligent order, so can quickly exceed the maximum limit if you have lots of them
[08:51] <Kilos> eeek
[08:52] <Kilos> how did you get in before to set it up?
[08:52] <Kilos> wb Tonberry
[08:52] <liamT> well, the MaxAuthTries was much higher
[08:52] <liamT> i guess I'll have to keep fiddling
[08:53] <Kilos> where is the server
[08:53] <Kilos> local?
[08:53] <liamT> remote
[08:53] <Kilos> ai!
[08:53] <liamT> I have no physical access to it
[08:53] <liamT> blerry eejit
[08:54] <Kilos> i dont understand though how you can exceed maxtries if the pw is disabled
[08:55] <Kilos> did you try just hitting enter with no password
[08:55] <Kilos> hehe
[08:55] <liamT> if one ssh key doesn't work, MaxTries goes up one
[08:56] <liamT> gah, no stress, I'll just have to wait till Jan
[08:56] <Kilos> ok now maxtries is that from one pc only
[08:56] <Kilos> someone must know how to get around it
[08:57] <Kilos> maybe someone else put a password on it
[08:57] <Kilos> fone them
[08:58] <Kilos> not safe to have a remote server with passwd disabled anyway
[08:58] <liamT> it was only me with access, i would think it safer to have no password, and use a ssh key rather
[08:59] <liamT> unless you lock yourself out of course
[08:59] <Squirm> liamT: I would have thought that by using an ssh key, you would bypass the whole password authentication
[08:59] <Squirm> it shouldn't even give you the option to enter a password
[09:03] <liamT> that's correct, there is no option to enter a password
[09:04] <liamT> but still, if you offer incorrect keys more than the limit the account is locked for a certain period
[09:18] <Kilos> oo yay got my hover text black on light gray
[09:19] <Kilos> had to change from oxygen to desktop application goody
[09:20] <Kilos> hi psyatw 
[09:20] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[09:20] <psyatw> wow
[09:21] <psyatw> 10 seconds to respond is not bad
[09:21] <Kilos> lol
[09:21] <Kilos> you lucky i was right here
[09:22] <Kilos> sometimes im cooking or sorting sheep
[09:22] <Kilos> or sleeping
[09:22] <psyatw> yeah
[09:22] <psyatw> I do that too, yes
[09:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: sorry.... you still struggling with that colour scheme issue?
[09:24] <Kilos> got it now ty ThatGraemeGuy , only my clock is still white but now i have an idea what to do
[09:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> cool
[09:25] <Kilos> will change everything to desktop apps
[09:25] <Kilos> found a link for pclinux but it worked here so yay
[09:41] <Symmetria> http://www.amazon.com/Zenith-96-0529-4035-Tourbillon-Titanium-Chronograph/dp/B001K3IXW8/
[09:41] <Symmetria> wtf look at the price on that
[09:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> man 46% off they're practically giving it away! :-D
[09:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> you'd think at that price they could waive the $9.95 shipping charge
[09:53] <Squirm> Symmetria: when is the ETA?
[12:46] <Kilos> sjoe
[14:12] <kbmonkey> hello
[14:29] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey 
[14:30] <Kilos> howsit there?
[14:30] <kbmonkey> goet Kilos - guten tag!
[14:30] <Kilos> hehe
[14:31] <Kilos> zehr gut or sehr gut one of them
[14:31] <Kilos> inetpro: which one?
[15:22] <charl> got pidgin working nicely with microsoft lync server 2013 using sipe http://sipe.sourceforge.net/
[15:22] <charl> messaging and presence working perfectly
[15:23] <charl> no voip though
[15:25] <Kilos> charl: what are you doing?
[15:58] <charl> Kilos: connecting to a corporate instant messaging platform
[15:59] <Kilos> oh from your pc with pidgin-sipe
[16:00] <Kilos> pidgin is a wonderful app
[16:00] <kbmonkey> no rain today Kilos ?
[16:00] <Kilos> only i havent tried otr in a group because i think it works pc to pc like dcc here
[16:00] <Kilos> maybe late tonight kbmonkey 
[16:02]  * Kilos gots a lekker kde 4.10 running here on 12.04
[16:02] <charl> otr is person to person i think
[16:02] <Kilos> ya same as dcc
[16:02] <charl> but you can also use it with mobile clients like chatsecure
[16:03] <Kilos> the pcs sync to each other
[16:03] <charl> no otr i think still sends all the traffic through the server
[16:03] <charl> but it's encrypted end to end
[16:03] <Kilos> ya but scrambled
[16:04] <charl> dcc sends data in plaintext but directly between the end nodes
[16:04] <Kilos> the scrambling works pc to pc through the server
[16:04] <charl> you could say that, in the case of otr
[16:05] <Kilos> i spose the owners of that server might be able to unscramble it
[16:05] <charl> they shouldn't be able to
[16:05] <kbmonkey> that depends if they use symmetric or asymmetric 
[16:05] <charl> because if that is the case the encryption is too weak
[16:06] <Kilos> iirc the pcs scramble to each other so will be hard to crack
[16:06]  * kbmonkey does not trust IM over 3rd parties
[16:06]  * kbmonkey dons a tinfoil hat
[16:06] <Kilos> i reckon pidgin otr is as safe as it gets kbmonkey 
[16:07] <kbmonkey> otr?
[16:07] <charl> kbmonkey: no even if you use symmetric encryption, if you keep the keys safe, a man in the middle attack is useless
[16:07] <Kilos> off the record
[16:07] <kbmonkey> by symmetric I mean if they own the passphrase
[16:07] <kbmonkey> oh lol, no off the record does not mean secure ;P
[16:08] <charl> the idea behind end to end is that they don't\
[16:08] <kbmonkey> it just doesn't record to chat history
[16:08] <charl> otherwise there is no point
[16:08] <Kilos> xchat has otr as well but hard to setup
[16:08] <kbmonkey> ah got ya charl !
[16:09] <charl> http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/OTR
[16:09] <charl> "Off-the-Record Messaging, commonly referred to as OTR, is a cryptographic protocol that provides strong encryption for instant messaging conversations. OTR uses a combination of the AES symmetric-key algorithm, the Diffie?Hellman key exchange, and the SHA-1 hash function. In addition to authentication and encryption, OTR provides perfect forward secrecy and malleable encryption. "
[16:09] <Kilos> see they clever
[16:10] <kbmonkey> never knew they had that, thanks charl !
[16:11] <Kilos> on irc dcc is easier
[16:12] <Kilos> pidgin has the otr setup worked out much better
[16:12] <charl> i have six ciphers on my own xmpp server that are comparable https://xmpp.net/result.php?domain=charl.eu&type=client
[16:12] <charl> but that's for tls, not end to end
[16:13] <Kilos> tls?
[16:13] <charl> that's for c2s not e2e to use the acronyms :)
[16:13] <charl> and for s2s
[16:14] <Kilos> did you see charl i can even see smileys in konversation
[16:14] <Kilos> im getting more and more into kde
[16:14] <charl> telepathy is also very good
[16:15] <Kilos> so the unity peeps better make a good 14.04 otherwise i go kde full time
[16:15] <charl> i like being able to see linked images inline
[16:15] <kbmonkey> charl, check this out, also very interesting! http://www.cs.tau.ac.il/~tromer/acoustic/
[16:15] <charl> i have completely lost all interest in unity
[16:16] <Kilos> and konversation can underline with ctrl+r if you want to go afk and dont want to scroll back until you recognise something said
[16:16] <Kilos> 12.04 unity is good
[16:16] <charl> kbmonkey: very cool
[16:16] <charl> that is handy
[16:17] <charl> the line
[16:17] <charl> ok i'm off
[16:17] <charl> ttyl
[16:18] <Kilos> cheers
[16:24] <kbmonkey> ciao!
[16:28] <superfly> holidays!
[16:29] <kbmonkey> hurrah!
[16:30] <Kilos> yay now try get some rest superfly 
[16:30] <superfly> Kilos: hahaha! great joke
[16:30] <Kilos> sorry
[16:32] <kbmonkey> gonna work hard at the gym these hols!
[16:32] <kbmonkey> lol
[16:32] <kbmonkey> normally work is too draining to care for exercise
[16:34] <Kilos> sjoe
[16:35] <Kilos> dont forget the meeting on the 23rd kbmonkey 
[16:36] <Kilos> one of your open discussion things i think
[16:36] <kbmonkey> right! thanks kilo	:]
[16:36] <Kilos> aw that didnt show a smiley
[16:37] <kbmonkey> but isnt that monthly meet?
[16:37] <Kilos> yes
[16:37] <kbmonkey> 4th monday
[16:37] <Kilos> but most peeps will be on hols and no events etc to discuss
[16:39] <kbmonkey> ah yes, oraait it it sounds fun!
[17:18] <Kilos> inetpro: waar kryp jy weg?
[17:22] <Kilos> sjoe we are min here
[17:24] <kbmonkey> ya we on holiday ;P
[17:28] <Kilos> why do your smileys show as text here
[17:28] <Kilos> :P
[17:28] <Kilos> do that
[17:30] <kbmonkey> I only see text lol
[17:30] <kbmonkey> my smileys are not limited I have a range of emotions!
[17:30] <kbmonkey> hehe
[17:35] <Kilos> grrr
[17:43] <kbmonkey> :>
[17:43] <kbmonkey> now I know what makes you angry Kilos :}
[17:43] <Kilos> lol i will find why it dont show here and fix it
[17:44] <Kilos> http://packages.debian.org/sid/kdeartwork-emoticons
[17:44] <Kilos> somewhere there or so
[17:48] <kbmonkey> my emotis are obviously very special!
[17:49] <Kilos> lol
[17:49] <Kilos> i just wanna see what peeps send at me
[17:53] <Trixar_za> I sometimes wonder about people
[17:53] <kbmonkey> well kilos there are many types of ascii smileys, I guess only a few of them have matching image icons
[17:54] <kbmonkey> for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_emoticons
[17:56] <Kilos> where you get ;p
[17:56] <Kilos> ;
[17:56] <Kilos> ;P
[17:57] <kbmonkey> lol. its a combine of winking and tongue
[17:57] <kbmonkey> I did not say that was a full list
[17:57] <Kilos> you gotta use whats recognised not your own typos
[17:58] <kbmonkey> LOL
[17:58] <kbmonkey> no
[17:58] <kbmonkey> I like my typos
[17:58] <Kilos> grrr
[17:59] <Kilos> im gonna get a knife smiley and cut off tongues that stick out at me
[18:00] <kbmonkey> you mean like this? http://gifs.gifbin.com/150638g68.gif
[18:01] <Kilos> rofl
[18:01] <Kilos> thats good
[18:02] <kbmonkey> hahaha
[18:02] <Kilos> Maaz_: tongue smileys is <reply> http://gifs.gifbin.com/150638g68.gif
[18:02] <Maaz_> Kilos: I'll remember that
[18:03] <Kilos> Maaz_: shorten http://gifs.gifbin.com/150638g68.gif
[18:03] <Maaz_> Kilos: That reduces to: http://is.gd/QNrBfG
[18:03] <Trixar_za> I want to do a citation needed on that page
[18:04] <Trixar_za> It's not Wikipedia if they don't have citation needed on just about every page with minimal references
[18:05] <Kilos> ill just tell maaz to give that link if peeps give me tongues
[18:15] <Kilos> whats the diffs between smileys and emoticons
[18:15] <Kilos> they look the same to me
[18:41] <Kilos> hi psychicist 
[19:16] <theblazehen> hey guys
[19:19] <Kilos> hi theblazehen 
[19:19] <Kilos> sorry im slow, busy watching the tomorrow people
[19:19] <theblazehen> Tomorrow people?
[19:20] <Kilos> yeah peeps with lekker powers
[19:20] <Kilos> on mnet
[19:21] <theblazehen> ah ok
[19:22] <theblazehen> Just started, or been on for a while? Might watch
[19:22] <Kilos> near finished
[19:22] <theblazehen> Ah :(
[19:22] <Kilos> but if you can get the series somewhere its worth it
[19:22] <theblazehen> Will try :) 
[19:23] <theblazehen> BTW I made my first ubuntu-based distro today :)
[19:23] <Kilos> well done
[19:24] <theblazehen> ty :)
[19:40] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[22:43] <charl> Maaz_: seen cantide
[22:43] <Maaz_> charl: cantide was last seen 1 month, 8 days, 16 hours, 2 minutes and 57 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2013-11-11 22:40:07 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2013-11-11 22:46:37 PST
[22:43] <charl> wonder how it's going with the guy in korea