[00:00] <Beldar> !pdf
[00:00] <lickalott> ColdKey how old is this install?
[00:00] <joshtekmobile> That bot...
[00:00] <yofun> root@leonard:/usr/bin# ls -lr python* lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  9 Jun 18  2013 python2 -> python2.7 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Dec 19 17:57 python -> /usr/bin/python2.7
[00:00] <Beldar> chro, check the bots info on apps
[00:00] <PatrickDickey> yofun: For python2.7, it should show something like -rwxr-x-r-x root root and a number. Is that number something like 3336296 or 0?
[00:00] <chro> I will check evince, since okular occupies 178MB :S
[00:00] <ColdKey> lickalott, I don't know, maybe few weeks but I installed it from the USB pen drive and I don't remmember when I made it... :\
[00:00] <chro> !evince
[00:01] <lickalott> have you tried an update ColdKey?
[00:01] <lickalott> sudo apt-get update
[00:01] <yofun> PatrickDickey:  the numbers are 9 and 19
[00:01] <KI7MT> ColdKey, apt-cache show jsut shows what packages are available, not what's installed on your box.
[00:01] <chro> !Evince
[00:01] <Beldar> !info evince
[00:01] <ColdKey> lickalott, Yes I did it several times
[00:01] <lickalott> go with KI7MT's idea then (install)
[00:01] <ColdKey> KI7MT, Oh, ok.. I didn't know that :\
[00:01] <PatrickDickey> yofun: so if you type ls -l python2.7 do you get "No Such File or Directory"?
[00:01] <lickalott> I agree though.  it doesn't make sense that it's not already there.
[00:01] <yofun> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6602620/
[00:02] <joshtekmobile> root@leonard:/usr/bin# chmod 755 python
[00:02] <joshtekmobile> chmod: cannot operate on dangling symlink `python'
[00:02] <lickalott> ColdKey no problems with your monitor/resolution or anything?
[00:02] <yofun> ls: cannot access python2.7: No such file or directory
[00:02] <ColdKey> lickalott, No, everything works just fine...
[00:02] <KI7MT> ColdKey, to get installed package: dpkg --get-selections | grep xserver^
[00:02] <PatrickDickey> yofun: You need to reinstall python then. ;)
[00:02] <yofun> PatrickDickey:  apt-get wont wourk
[00:02] <joshtekmobile> ...
[00:02] <lickalott> KI7MT he posted the pastebin of that already.
[00:03] <KI7MT> without the carrot ^  sri
[00:03] <ColdKey> KI7MT, lickalott I just did sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg
[00:03] <lickalott> KI7MT -  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6602566/
[00:03] <ColdKey> do I need to run xserver -configure or something like that?
[00:03] <PatrickDickey> yofun: What version of Ubuntu are you running?
[00:03] <yofun> PatrickDickey:  12.04 LTS I belive.
[00:03] <yofun> right joshtekmobile ?
[00:04] <joshtekmobile> 12.04.3 LTS amd64
[00:04] <yofun> ^^
[00:04] <KI7MT> lickalott, I dont get why he doesn't have a xorg.conf file then ..
[00:04] <lickalott> agreed
[00:04] <lickalott> ColdKey did you upgrade to 12.04 or was that the distro on the thumbdrive?
[00:04] <hassen> dooooh...Google images' browsing is taking 90%+ of my core 2 duo cpu power..how annoying :@
[00:05] <ColdKey> That distro was on thumb drive
[00:05] <PatrickDickey> yofun: http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/python click on the amd64 at the bottom, and it should download to your computer. Then use sudo dpkg -i to install it.
[00:06] <lickalott> ColdKey now that you've installed   ls -lrt /etc/X11
[00:06] <yofun> Lol I cant wget it.
[00:06] <PatrickDickey> And yofun, you might need to click on the "python2.7" package, and download/install that also.
[00:06] <yofun> Let me try teamviewer...
[00:06] <joshtekmobile> yofun: i will ftp it
[00:06] <yofun> joshtekmobile:  FTP works?
[00:07] <joshtekmobile> yofun: it seems to
[00:07] <yofun> right SFTP
[00:07] <yofun> forgot.
[00:07] <PatrickDickey> joshtekmobile: get him the python2.7 package first, as he might only need that one.
[00:07] <yofun> s/he/we :p
[00:07] <joshtekmobile> PatrickDickey: on it
[00:07] <yofun> its a server we run together.
[00:07] <ColdKey> lickalott, now I have xorg.conf
[00:07] <PatrickDickey> Gottcha. :)
[00:07] <yofun> joshtekmobile:  drop it in root.
[00:07]  * PatrickDickey goes Texan and just starts saying y'all :P
[00:08] <ColdKey> lickalott, Lol, it's the one I created earlier... :\
[00:08] <KI7MT> Do a python -V first, 2.7.x is defautl install for ubuntu ..
[00:08] <ColdKey> Nothing added or changed
[00:08] <yofun> lol.
[00:08] <lickalott> try the -configure
[00:08] <yofun> CRAP
[00:08] <yofun> "dpkg -i" reply bash: /usr/bin/python: No such file or directory
[00:08] <PatrickDickey> yofun: Off-hand, do you remember what y'all were doing when apt-get stopped working?
[00:08] <yofun> No. joshtekmobile  just told me of this issue.
[00:09] <yofun> like 5 mins ago.
[00:09] <jinppk> does the kernel get updated in 13.10? or are kernels only updated in LTS releases?
[00:09] <yofun> Its not only apt-get PatrickDickey
[00:09] <lickalott> ColdKey - http://askubuntu.com/questions/4662/where-is-the-x-org-config-file-how-do-i-configure-x-there
[00:09] <yofun> Its almost everything.
[00:09] <hassen> Wine Windows Program Loader  ?  :o
[00:09] <yofun> PatrickDickey:  "dpkg -i" reply bash: /usr/bin/python: No such file or directory
[00:09] <PatrickDickey> yofun: Well apt-get is just a front for dpkg. I should have figured that would happen. You might have to compile it from source, or worse case is reinstall.
[00:09] <KI7MT> lickalott, that si where we started X -reconfigure .. lol
[00:10] <hitsujiTMO> yofun: what's the output of: echo $PATH             ?
[00:10] <yofun> ./usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games
[00:10] <ColdKey> lickalott,  Now I get new error when trying to run X -configure -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6602651/
[00:10] <PatrickDickey> hitsujiTMO: he doesn't have anything like the python2.7 or python3 scripts. Just the python scripts that link to them.
[00:10] <lickalott> sudo X -configure
[00:10] <hitsujiTMO> yofun: whats output of: lsb_release -a
[00:11] <ColdKey> lickalott,  I did sudo
[00:11] <yofun> root@leonard:/usr/bin# lsb_release -a bash: /usr/bin/python: No such file or directory
[00:11] <lickalott> oh....
[00:11] <yofun> Almost all commands get that reply.
[00:11] <yofun> Does bash relay on python or something?
[00:11] <yofun> Which oddly python disappeared...
[00:12] <hitsujiTMO> yofun: dpkg --get-selections | grep python
[00:12] <lickalott> ColdKey just for s's and g's...    cd /; sudo find / -name xorg.conf
[00:12] <yofun> root@leonard:/usr/bin# dpkg --get-selections | grep python bash: /usr/bin/python: No such file or directory
[00:12] <hitsujiTMO> yofun: bash doesn't rely on python, but many of the system scripts are python scripts
[00:12] <yofun> Ah..
[00:13] <ColdKey> lickalott, I guess it will find the xorg.conf that I have created earlier like KI7MT told me
[00:13] <hitsujiTMO> wait, i don't think anything there in tha last command uses python tho
[00:13] <hitsujiTMO> yofun: ls -l /bin/bash
[00:13] <lickalott> yeah see if there are others ColdKey
[00:13] <KI7MT> Just send: python -V
[00:13] <yofun> root@leonard:/usr/bin# ls -l /bin/bash -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 959120 Mar 28  2013 /bin/bash
[00:13] <ColdKey> Ok, it's running now... no results yet
[00:13] <hitsujiTMO> yofun: ls -l /bin/sh
[00:14] <yofun> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Jun 15  2013 /bin/sh -> dash
[00:14] <yofun> bash: cd: /bin/sh: Not a directory
[00:14] <PatrickDickey> hitsujiTMO: and yofun, lsb_release is a python script.
[00:14] <yofun> bash: cd: /bin/bash: Not a directory
[00:14] <KI7MT> /bin/sh is a symlink to dash
[00:14] <yofun> Seems like half of these files are missing?
[00:15] <hitsujiTMO> PatrickDickey: yes, i don't think dpkg or grep are python scripts tho
[00:15] <hitsujiTMO> yofun: ls -l /usr/bin/python
[00:15] <yofun> root@leonard:/bin# cd dash bash: cd: dash: Not a directory
[00:15] <ColdKey> lickalott, still nothing... :\
[00:15] <PatrickDickey> yofun: when you see something like ->, it means that it's pointing to another file. Not that it's missing per se. But, if the file that it's pointing to is missing, that's a problem.
[00:15] <yofun> There are "there" but not there.
[00:15] <yofun> using ls I see the folders.
[00:16] <yofun> But cd or nano to them and nothing.
[00:16] <ColdKey> lickalott, It has found only one xorg.conf in X11 that I have created :\
[00:16] <hitsujiTMO> yofun: what were you doing when all this went wrong?
[00:16] <lickalott> wtf
[00:16] <yofun> joshtekmobile: ^^
[00:16] <KI7MT> lickalott, I know,  I dont get it either
[00:16] <yofun> I wasnt doing anything. joshtekmobile  just noticed it.
[00:17] <lickalott> ColdKey how much stuff do you have on this drive so far?  (i.e. packages, apps, etc...)
[00:17] <lickalott> would it be out of the question to grab a fresh .iso and re-install?
[00:17] <hitsujiTMO> yofun: ls -l /usr/bin/python            please
[00:17] <joshtekmobile> yofun: I'm working on it
[00:18] <ColdKey> lickalott, Well it will be a lot of pain in the ... since I'm configuring and installing things for almost 2-3 weeks now :\
[00:18] <yofun> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Dec 19 17:57 /usr/bin/python -> /usr/bin/python2.7
[00:18] <yofun> joshtekmobile:  [18:16] <hitsujiTMO> yofun: what were you doing when all this went wrong
[00:18] <ColdKey> And I'm not that skilled with ubuntu so I guess I would prefer anything else and use re-install like last resort
[00:19] <yofun> ls: cannot access /usr/bin/python2.7: No such file or directory
[00:19] <ColdKey> I've downloaded the ISO from Ubuntu website and made a bootable drive, so I didn't modify anything :\
[00:19] <lickalott> hrrmmmm
[00:19] <lickalott> k.  lemme think here.
[00:19] <PatrickDickey> hitsujiTMO: Earlier yofun posted a pastebin link that showed ls -l python*. He has the symlinks pointing to python2.7, but that file is gone.
[00:19] <PatrickDickey> (or she) ;)
[00:20] <yofun> lol
[00:20] <yofun> Im a he.
[00:20] <KI7MT> that's why I said try python -V a while ago, so see if the symlink is working or not
[00:20] <Arghetlam> I'm having a bit of a problem. . .
[00:20] <KI7MT> Just becasue the link is there, does not mean the binary is working
[00:20] <yofun> root@leonard:/bin# python -V bash: /usr/bin/python: No such file or directory
[00:20] <lickalott> ColdKey - sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[00:21] <lickalott> what does that do for you?
[00:21] <hitsujiTMO> yofun: ls -l /usr/lib/python2.7
[00:21] <PatrickDickey> KI7MT: that's what I'm saying. He has a link pointing to a non-existent binary.
[00:21] <ColdKey> nothing...
[00:21] <yofun> OUTPUT!
[00:21] <Arghetlam> Anyone mind taking a look at what my machine's doing?
[00:22] <lickalott> ColdKey reboot
[00:22] <ColdKey> entered it and nothing happens, no results just new line to enter new command
[00:22] <ColdKey> ok, rebooting now
[00:22] <hitsujiTMO> yofun: lots of it?
[00:22] <yofun> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6602701/
[00:22] <yofun> yes.
[00:22] <PatrickDickey> Arghetlam: What exactly is the problem? If you ask the question, someone will answer (if we know the answer). ;)
[00:22] <yofun> Alor of output.
[00:22] <yofun> alot*
[00:23] <Arghetlam> I'm not sure what the problem is, but I have a few photos of what it's doing.
[00:23] <hitsujiTMO> looks like python2.7 is actually still installed. just the bin is missing? so which one of ye deleted it? :P
[00:23] <yofun> lol neither?
[00:23] <Arghetlam> http://s137.photobucket.com/user/pinstripedeva/story/93649
[00:23] <ColdKey> lickalott, Here I am again :)
[00:23] <yofun> s/one/thing?
[00:23] <Arghetlam> That's what I've been getting whenever I try to update.
[00:24] <yofun> Crash..
[00:24] <aguitel> how remove or disable windows boot manager ?
[00:24] <ColdKey> lickalott, Still the same error when I try to di X -configure
[00:24] <KI7MT> aguitel, install and use Grub2
[00:24] <yofun> PatrickDickey:  Neither us of. Something maybe?
[00:24] <yofun> PatrickDickey:  What can I do now?
[00:25] <Raptor_Jesus> I'm having some trouble getting java to run on chromium
[00:25] <Raptor_Jesus> im on 64bit ubuntu
[00:25] <Beldar> aguitel, make sure you include a context to your question.
[00:25] <PatrickDickey> yofun: If you have the installation DVD, you might be able to copy the bin over. I'm not quite sure though.
[00:25] <KI7MT> No buying that, Python Binary doesn't up and disappear :-) that boat dont float.
[00:25] <hitsujiTMO> Arghetlam: can you try booting to an older kernel from the grub menu?
[00:25] <yofun> KI7MT:  If something removed it.
[00:25] <yofun> lol
[00:26] <Arghetlam> I'll give it a try.
[00:26] <yofun> PatrickDickey:  so A live cd?
[00:26] <Arghetlam> Although if memory serves, it boots right into the OS.
[00:26] <hitsujiTMO> yofun: if neither of ye removed that file then either someone else has access to your server, or the hdd is dying
[00:26] <aguitel> KI7MT, i installed grub2 ,but when the pc start ,blue window appears saying windows boot manager fail and need to click ok then appears grub menu
[00:27] <yofun> hitsujiTMO:  or i figured we did something that removed it. Or a script did.
[00:27] <Arghetlam> Yeah, it boots right into the OS.
[00:27] <hitsujiTMO> yofun: yup, or you need a new hdd
[00:27] <yofun> joshtekmobile:
[00:27] <KI7MT> yofun, its a system level binary, and most of Ubuntu revolves around it, would tak allot of work to remove that inadvertantly.
[00:27] <joshtekmobile> Yes?
[00:27] <yofun> KI7MT:  Even using root?
[00:28] <hitsujiTMO> Arghetlam: you need to hit either left shift, right shift or esc on boot to get up the grub menu
[00:28] <yofun> joshtekmobile:  Well we can try to copy the bin files from the live cd.
[00:28] <yofun> Python is there.
[00:28] <yofun> sort fo.
[00:28] <yofun> of
[00:28] <joshtekmobile> I'm scaling the Ubuntu archives for a .deb version of python
[00:28] <hitsujiTMO> yofun: if you don't know how that file was removed then you don't know if other files have been removed or compromised
[00:29] <KI7MT> yofun, well you should not be using root on a sudo system in the first place, but Im not saying it can't be done, only that's its not easily done on accident.
[00:29] <joshtekmobile> Because the .tar.gz won't work
[00:29] <yofun> KI7MT:  Ah.
[00:29] <ColdKey> lickalott, KI7MT any suggestions what should I do now? :)
[00:29] <hitsujiTMO> joshtekmobile: dpkg wont work either. yofun already tried dpkg --get-selections
[00:30] <joshtekmobile> Err...
[00:30] <KI7MT> ColdKey, Im sorry mate, Im out of ideas on this one, other that, what lickalott said, maybe a re-install, or maybe someone else in the channel can help.
[00:30]  * joshtekmobile throws hands up
[00:30] <joshtekmobile> I call reinstall
[00:30] <ColdKey> :(
[00:30] <yofun> joshtekmobile:  Well that or what PatrickDickey  said.
[00:30] <PatrickDickey> yofun:  what did you mean by python is on the live cd sort of?
[00:31] <Arghetlam> I'm pretty close to that myself. Can't seem to get into grub to boot a different kernel.
[00:31] <yofun> try to copy the bin file from the live cd.
[00:31] <ColdKey> Can't I just reinstall Xorg or something like that? :(
[00:31] <yofun> PatrickDickey:  I meant our system
[00:31] <PatrickDickey> gottcha.
[00:31] <yofun> Welll... reinstalll will be better.
[00:32] <yofun> This system has a bunch of stuff we dont use.
[00:32] <hitsujiTMO> ColdKey: what exactly is your issue? can't scroll back enough to find out
[00:32] <KI7MT> yofun, are you unable to use aptitude, apt or dpkg at all ?
[00:32] <yofun> So no telling what happened
[00:32] <PatrickDickey> joshtekmobile: and yofun, if you do decide to go with the reinstall, make sure you copy any configs that you modified to another drive first. That will make setting everything up a lot easier. Also anything under your /home directories that can't be easily retrieved later.
[00:32] <yofun> Aye.
[00:32] <joshtekmobile> yofun: how am I supposed to boot from a live system? I certainly can't use the server.
[00:33] <ColdKey> hitsujiTMO, As far as I was able to catch what lickalott  and KI7MT were saying: Ubuntu says that xorg-server is installed and running but I can't configure it and also it appears somehow it's not installed :\
[00:33] <yofun> joshtekmobile: I meant just copy the bin files over.
[00:33] <PatrickDickey> joshtekmobile: put the cd in your drive, mount it to a directory (under /mnt) then cd into it, and cp the python2.7 file to /usr/bin.
[00:33] <hassen> may the Wine Windows Program loader put my ubuntu in more danger  since it makes the OS able to run .exe files?
[00:33] <hitsujiTMO> ColdKey: can you pastebin the file /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[00:33] <yofun> joshtekmobile:  has direct access to the server btw)
[00:33] <yofun> i dont ;P
[00:34] <hitsujiTMO> ColdKey: what gpu do you have?
[00:34] <KI7MT> hitsujiTMO, he has mouse problems not vid issue.
[00:34] <ColdKey> hitsujiTMO, Lenovo Y580 has GeForce GTX660M but it's disabled in BIOS so I guess it's running on some Intel Video or something like that
[00:35] <hitsujiTMO> KI7MT: ColdKey: ahh     what mouse is it?
[00:35] <ColdKey> hitsujiTMO, I had mouse issues and solution was to edit xorg.conf file but there was none until I created one (manuali with gedit)
[00:35] <ColdKey> hitsujiTMO, Logitech M510
[00:35] <KI7MT> Yeah, tryingt o get all the buttons workign.
[00:36] <hitsujiTMO> ColdKey: yeah, xorg.conf is deprecated. a logitech m510 should not require a xorg.conf entry
[00:36] <andygraybeal> what is a good linux alternative to the music player 'foobar' ?
[00:36] <KI7MT> hitsujiTMO, and there's lots of fixes on the net, but, they all need xrog.conf .. which we cant seem to make nor find on his system.
[00:36] <PatrickDickey> hassen: http://askubuntu.com/questions/175336/is-installing-wine-in-ubuntu-safe
[00:36] <hitsujiTMO> KI7MT: thats because there is not xorg.conf by default
[00:36] <KI7MT> what is ?
[00:37] <KI7MT> the default that is?
[00:37] <ColdKey> hitsujiTMO, I found several fixes that need that file xorg.conf. Ubuntu for some reason doesn't recognize all of my buttons on my mouse :\
[00:37] <PatrickDickey> andygraybeal: I've never heard of foobar (as a music player at least). But there are a lot of choices. Rhythmbox (sp?), Audacious, Amarok, etc.
[00:37] <andygraybeal> thank you PatrickDickey
[00:37] <hassen> PatrickDickey, thanks.
[00:38] <lickalott> ColdKey, no change after the reboot
[00:38] <hitsujiTMO> ColdKey: ahh buttons would prob need a custom config then. you should just be able to create an xorg.conf with the exact config needed
[00:38] <PatrickDickey> Not a problem hassen and andygraybeal.
[00:38] <KI7MT> hitsujiTMO, :-)  .. that's what we been trying to do but we're stuck
[00:38] <ColdKey> lickalott, hitsujiTMO I did create a xorg.conf in /etc/X11/ folder with the content found on ubuntu forums but it still doesn't seem to work :\
[00:39] <lickalott> use windows.....
[00:39] <lickalott> LOL
[00:39] <hitsujiTMO> ColdKey: can you pastebin what you created?
[00:39]  * lickalott ducks from all the tomatoes
[00:39] <ColdKey> lickalott, :D
[00:39] <PatrickDickey> hassen: In your case, just remember don't use sudo when installing anything under wine. That way it only gets whatever privileges your user has (minus what it has if it uses sudo).
[00:39] <JoshuaP> yofun: im working on it
[00:39] <yofun> k
[00:40] <ColdKey> hitsujiTMO, Here is the content I've added -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6602794/
[00:41] <hitsujiTMO> ColdKey: whats the output of: ls -l /dev/input/mouse
[00:42] <ColdKey> no such file or directory
[00:42] <hitsujiTMO> ColdKey: then that's why its not working :P
[00:42] <KI7MT> hitsujiTMO, ColdKey check you .conf against this: http://www.butlerpc.net/blog/2012/09/configure-logitech-m510-usb-mouse-on-ubuntu-12-04/
[00:42] <shreezbot> Can anyone tell me the best way to diagnose my installer hanging at language select???  There seem to be about a hundred different reasons for it on Google......
[00:42] <ColdKey> There is mice, mouse0, mouse1
[00:42] <hitsujiTMO> ColdKey: ls -l /dev/input/by-id/
[00:43] <KI7MT> shreezbot, which version of Ubuntu ?
[00:44] <hitsujiTMO> ColdKey: ahh woops. misread the config you posted then. but still. lets look to see if a logitech specific entry is ther
[00:44] <ColdKey> Here is the output -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6602802/
[00:44] <shreezbot> KI7MT, 13.10
[00:46] <hitsujiTMO> ColdKey: whats the output of: lsusb
[00:46] <Raptor_Jesus> I'm having some trouble getting java to run on chromium
[00:46] <Raptor_Jesus> im on 64bit ubuntu
[00:46] <KI7MT> shreezbot, Yes, there would appear to be a load reason, and unfortunately, not a good way to narrow down which one is yours ..
[00:46] <hitsujiTMO> Raptor_Jesus: how exactly did you install java?
[00:47] <ColdKey> hitsujiTMO, Here is the lusb output -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6602811/
[00:47] <ColdKey> *lsusb
[00:47] <kostkon> shreezbot, download the iso again for a start
[00:48] <PatrickDickey> shreezbot: when you burn the iso, if your computer will allow you to select the burn speed, choose the lowest setting possible.
[00:48] <hitsujiTMO> ColdKey: can you try this as xorg.conf? then reboot: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6602813/
[00:48] <KI7MT> shreezbot, is you can drop to console Ctrl+Alt+F1 you maybe be able to catch the dmesg and see more detail on the issue.
[00:49] <ColdKey> hitsujiTMO, Ok, done. I'm about to reboot now. :)
[00:49] <apb1963> 12.04.3...so i've been stumblebumbling along trying to get my wireless working - amazingly, I did that the other day.  Network manager suddenly recognized both my wired & wireless networks which it's never done before. Now I've gone to check on my web server... and it's not coming up anymore.  I just get "waiting".  if I use "localhost" instead of my domain name, I get the default page. if I use localhost/dir the errlog tells me it can't find it; if I use
[00:49] <apb1963>  localhost/html/dir it goes back to "waiting".  This implies my directoryroot is wrong... but it's not and I haven't changed it from when it was working before I messed with wireless. Perplexed at this point.
[00:49]  * hassen removes Wine Windows thingy and restores his epic original unix-like unbuntu :)
[00:50] <hassen> *ubuntu
[00:50] <apb1963> That all come out or get cut off at 3 lines?
[00:51] <shreezbot> KI7MT, I'll have to try that...  I have downloaded the ISO quite a few times to make sure that isn't hte problem.  Even tried getting the one from Bittorent.
[00:51] <shreezbot> KI7MT, I'll see if I can get to the console...  :)
[00:51] <PatrickDickey> apb1963: Do you have directories under the www directory? If you do, then you should be able to get to them through localhost/dir-name. If you have specfic htm/html files under www, you should be able to get to them with localhost/htmlfile.html
[00:51] <hassen> shreezbot, i just logged in,what's the issue?
[00:52] <KI7MT> shreezbot, without knowing what is causing the stall, it's all guess work on our part here.
[00:52] <ColdKey> hitsujiTMO, Added that code to /etc/X11/xorg.conf and rebooted. Still the same :\
[00:52] <shreezbot> hassen, My installer is hanging at the Language Select screen.
[00:52] <apb1963> PatrickDickey: Yes I do.  The top level directory for the server is /var/www/html  ... from there, I have additional directories for various things. the "dir-name" is under /var/www/html
[00:53] <hassen> shreezbot, how you are installing ubuntu?what hardware are you using?
[00:53] <shreezbot> KI7MT, Understood.  It seems to be all guesswork for me also.  Thank you for your help  :)
[00:53] <seanz> Greetings. Easy question. I've got a bunch of old kernels filling up my /boot partition. What is the easiest and safest way to clean those out?
[00:53] <KI7MT> shreezbot, also, one thing you could try is, using the Alt-Install CD .. tha't worked for me allot in the past.
[00:53] <shreezbot> hassen, I have tried a bootable USB and a bootable CD-ROM...
[00:53] <shreezbot> KI7MT, Alt-install?
[00:53] <hitsujiTMO> ColdKey: try the mouse driver so: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6602824/
[00:53] <KI7MT> alternate-install cd
[00:54] <PatrickDickey> apb1963: Have you tried going to a specific page under one of the directories? Or just going to the directory itself?
[00:54] <hassen> shreezbot, can you send a picture of the phase you're stuck in?
[00:54] <hassen> screenshot
[00:54] <hitsujiTMO> shreezbot: have you md5summed the iso?
[00:54] <apb1963> PatrickDickey: localhost/dir-name gives me "waiting" and an error in the log file telling me /var/www/dir-name doesn't exist.  It's  missing the "html/" dir.  So I went to localhost/html/dir-name and that gives me "waiting".
[00:54] <ColdKey> hitsujiTMO, So I need to add this to xorg.conf and reboot again?
[00:55] <KI7MT> shreezbot, See Alternate CD Options here: http://releases.ubuntu.com/precise/
[00:55] <hitsujiTMO> ColdKey: yups
[00:55] <apb1963> PatrickDickey: Crap.  Ignore the last statement.  Let me rewrite.
[00:55] <ColdKey> hitsujiTMO, Ok, let me reboot again then :)
[00:55] <Beldar> seanz, dpkg -l | grep linux-image  will list them for removal
[00:55] <apb1963> PatrickDickey: localhost/dir-name gives me an error in the log file telling me /var/www/dir-name doesn't exist.  It's  missing the "html/" dir.  So I went to localhost/html/dir-name and that gives me "waiting".
[00:56] <seanz> Beldar: I've done that. The problem I run into is that the OS is trying to install the latest kernel before removing any old ones. Since /boot is full, the whole process fails.
[00:56] <apb1963> PatrickDickey: I haven't tried a specific page... I'll try that now
[00:56] <seanz> Sorry, I probably should have mentioned what I tried as part of the question.
[00:56] <Beldar> seanz, not sure what your saying?
[00:57] <KI7MT> seanz, http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2013/08/remove-old-kernels-from-ubuntu-13-04-13-10/
[00:57] <hitsujiTMO> seanz: manually delete an old kernel file form /boot
[00:57] <seanz> KI7MT: Thanks. I just read that. On step 3, the newest kernel is being installed before the older kernels are removed, and since there isn't any space on /boot, the installation process fails.
[00:57] <KI7MT> remove  a few old ones, then dist-upgrade, remove the rest, just dont remove the one your using at the time :-)
[00:57] <djx> Is it possible to define on sudoers file a restriction to a specific user to read a file that has the permissions 640 and the owner and groups are root?
[00:58] <seanz> hitsujiTMO: I was trying to avoid that before trying higher level methods first.
[00:58] <PatrickDickey> apb1963: Also you could try copying one of the directories up to the www directory itself. Then see if you can access it with localhost/dir-name.
[00:58] <seanz> That's a possible option, though.
[00:58] <hitsujiTMO> seanz: or use dpkg to remove them
[00:58] <Beldar> I can do a dpkg but just use ubuntu tweak, click it and forget it, hehe
[00:58] <seanz> Beldar: I don't have an X server installed though, and there probably won't be.
[00:58] <seanz> hitsujiTMO: How would I use dpkg?
[00:59] <hitsujiTMO> seanz: try dpkg --purge <package name>          iirc
[00:59] <PatrickDickey> seanz: You could install something like bleachbit and use it to remove old kernels first. Then install the latest one.
[00:59] <seanz> hitsujiTMO: Thanks. I'll try that.
[00:59] <seanz> PatrickDickey: I'll take a look at that package. Thanks for the suggestion.
[01:00] <djx> anyone?
[01:00] <KI7MT> seanz, the how too uses dpkg to list and apt-get to remove
[01:00] <KI7MT> Tweak also another option.
[01:00] <ColdKey> hitsujiTMO, Still the same thing... :\
[01:00] <hitsujiTMO> ColdKey: ok, out of ideas then. but at least you know the correct device now
[01:00] <seanz> KI7MT: Yes, and it's definitely a clean procedure. The problem is that apt-get tries to install the latest kernel before removing older ones, and that fails due to /boot being full.
[01:01] <ColdKey> hitsujiTMO, It kinda sucks that it still doesn't work :(
[01:01] <Beldar> seanz, apt-get has never removed old kernels when installing.
[01:01] <KI7MT> try tosing a clean. autoclean, or autoremove first then, see if it clears the old hearders.
[01:01] <apb1963> PatrickDickey: it tells me "script '/var/www/index.php' not found or unable to stat" when I specify localhost/index.php  ... changing to localhost/html/index.php gives me "File does not exist: /var/www/dir-name
[01:01] <apb1963> notice that it rewrote it to "dir-name" in spite of what I specified in the address bar.
[01:01] <hitsujiTMO> ColdKey: defo
[01:01] <KI7MT> try using ..
[01:02] <seanz> Beldar: If you look at the link, you'll see the command is apt-get purge ...
[01:02] <seanz> KI7MT: Good idea! I'll try it.
[01:02] <ColdKey> I don't know what to do... I don't feel like re-installing even a single bit :(
[01:02] <hitsujiTMO> seanz: has dpkg --purge not done the trick?
[01:02] <seanz> hitsujiTMO: I haven't tried it yet.
[01:02] <seanz> However, if 'clean' does everything in one step, that might be preferred.
[01:02] <seanz> The dpkg command is a failsafe though, since that has got to work.
[01:02] <seanz> "got" to work.
[01:03] <Beldar> seanz, Not sure your point, I always run purge, but whatever, I did not give you but one command, nothing with remove other than to remove kernels
[01:03] <JoshuaP> PatrickDickey: which file do i need to copy again?
[01:03] <shreezbot> hitsujiTMO, i did, and it does not match, but i havent been able to get them to match...
[01:03] <hitsujiTMO> seanz: what are you trying apt-get clean for? that has nothing to do with your problem?
[01:03] <Raptor_Jesus> sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre
[01:03] <apb1963> PatrickDickey: There is a /var/www/index.html file.   It's the default page.  It works.
[01:03] <seanz> hitsujiTMO: I was just typing that.
[01:04] <seanz> hitsujiTMO: My problem is not downloaded package files.
[01:04] <yofun> Okay. JoshuaP  Has the ftp and such pulled up.
[01:04] <seanz> I had to view the man page before I realized it, though.
[01:04] <yofun> What folders/files does he copy?
[01:04] <apb1963> PatrickDickey: oh just re-read what you said... directory... hang on.
[01:04] <hitsujiTMO> shreezbot: if it does not match then you've a dodgy iso and you need to redownload. try a different mirror
[01:04] <JoshuaP> Raptor_Jesus: are you by any chance, someone i know? your nickname feels so familiar
[01:05] <hitsujiTMO> shreezbot: what country are you in?
[01:05] <shreezbot> hitsujiTMO, i tried all the mirrors and the torrents...  :(
[01:05] <Beldar> seanz, Here we sort of exspect you to be self sufficient, one claiming to never have any X I would think would be so
[01:05] <shreezbot> usa
[01:05] <seanz> Beldar: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6602868/
[01:05] <PatrickDickey> seanz: I'm guessing you had already tried to install the latest kernel, which is how you found this out? If so, you could try dpkg --remove --pending then do your apt-get remove kernel.
[01:05] <yofun> oh wow.
[01:05] <Roy1994> hi
[01:05] <yofun> Elitebnc just got banned...
[01:05] <hitsujiTMO> shreezbot: what iso are you installing?
[01:05] <shreezbot> hitsujiTMO, ubuntu-13.10-server-amd64
[01:06] <seanz> PatrickDickey: Thanks for the suggestion.
[01:06] <seanz> Beldar: Does that clear up the issue I had with apt-get purge?
[01:06] <hitsujiTMO> shreezbot: try this link: http://ca.releases.ubuntu.com/13.10/ubuntu-13.10-server-amd64.iso
[01:06] <PatrickDickey> yofun: It (elitebnc) was probably a bot. That's why there's a lot of the names listed.
[01:06] <Beldar> seanz, I had figured you realized your problem on a upgrade rather than being on top of this issue.
[01:06] <apb1963> PatrickDickey: "waiting for localhost"
[01:07] <seanz> Beldar: No. I was just trying to install a single package and ran into this issue.
[01:07] <seanz> Obviously this needs to be resolved first.
[01:07] <shreezbot> hitsujiTMO, trying it now
[01:08] <Raptor_Jesus> JoshuaP, yea, i'm from uncyclopedia
[01:08] <Beldar> seanz, Is the HD full or is it the boot partition, and what package was it you were installing?
[01:08] <seanz> Beldar: Only the /boot partition.
[01:08] <seanz> libxml2-dev
[01:08] <hitsujiTMO> PatrickDickey: yofun eleitebnc would be some sort of anonymous gateway or server box
[01:08] <KI7MT> dont you have to remvoe then purge?  like: apt-get remove --purge <somthing> ... ?
[01:08] <JoshuaP> Raptor_Jesus: pm?
[01:09] <yofun> hitsujiTMO:  No.
[01:09] <yofun> Its not.
[01:09] <yofun> hitsujiTMO:  They give out BNC's
[01:10] <hitsujiTMO> yofun: yes, so its an anonymous gateway :P
[01:10] <Beldar> seanz, I would just manually remove a couple kernel sets from boot and update-grub then run the sudo apt-get -f install to start with if it were me.
[01:10] <yofun> hitsujiTMO:  its not completey anoymous,
[01:10] <yofun> Elitebnc has IP's and such.
[01:10] <KI7MT> seanz, man apt-get says purge is remove + purge so that's not the issue.
[01:10] <seanz> Beldar: So just clear out enough space to let apt-get take care of the rest?
[01:10] <hitsujiTMO> well, any anonymous gatway does :P
[01:11] <seanz> KI7MT: PatrickDickey's suggestions seems to suggest that --pending will remove the old kernels without installing the latest kernel.
[01:11] <chamunks> I want to ufw deny phlapa.fios.verizon.net
[01:11] <seanz> KI7MT: Beldar is agreeing with you insofaras removing a couple of old kernels and then letting apt-get do its thing.
[01:11] <chamunks> Is this possible or acceptable?
[01:11] <Beldar> seanz, Yeah, but I have X so I would just gksudo nautilus and delete away some kernels, not sure the cli to do this I think it was postedearlier though
[01:11] <Roy1994> use apt-get autoremove
[01:12] <KI7MT> seanz, Beldar think Beldar is right, your stuck in a do-loop of not enough space, a little manual deletion could sort you out.
[01:12] <seanz> Beldar: I hear you. I want to use the packaging tools because they should remove *everything* about the packages, including the files.
[01:12] <seanz> KI7MT: That's what I'm working on. We require storyboards for changes to servers at my company, so I'm outlining a procedure now.
[01:12] <shreezbot> hitsujiTMO, Md5 sums are different again...  What gives with that?!
[01:13] <apb1963> PatrickDickey: out of ideas?
[01:13] <hitsujiTMO> shreezbot: what md5sum are you getting?
[01:13] <Beldar> seanz, the cli removal of any kernels will get them and a autoremove should get any configs I think
[01:13] <seanz> Beldar: I see what you're saying.
[01:13] <PatrickDickey> seanz: All --pending should do is remove the kernel you're trying to install. You'll have to remove the old kernels some other way.
[01:13] <shreezbot> hitsujiTMO, 4d1a8b720cdd14b76ed9410c63a00d0e
[01:13] <KI7MT> seanz, best practice is to do the hosue cleaning, immediately after installation, saving the last approaved kernal install.
[01:13] <seanz> PatrickDickey: There are 4-5 kernels that are marked for removal, though. Wouldn't --pending remove those in that case?
[01:14] <Beldar> seanz, run a update-grub after all this though
[01:14] <seanz> Beldar: Thanks. Will do.
[01:14] <shreezbot> hitsujiTMO, i dont know how to get the other
[01:14] <hitsujiTMO> shreezbot: thata the correct md5 for that iso
[01:14] <PatrickDickey> seanz: It might. I'm not sure though. I've only used it to remove updates that haven't completed yet.
[01:14] <seanz> PatrickDickey: Ah.
[01:14] <apb1963> PatrickDickey: OK, thanks for trying.
[01:14] <Beldar> I remember early on removing all the kernels that was fun.
[01:15] <hitsujiTMO> shreezbot: what way are you installing it?
[01:15] <shreezbot> hitsujiTMO, i dont know why winmd5sum is telling me they are different then...  :(
[01:15] <KI7MT> hitsujiTMO, shreezbot but if the issue is in the LiveCD install and not an MD5 issue, he's back at square 1. Using the Alt-CD can avoid that as well.
[01:15] <PatrickDickey> I'm guessing it'll be something like sudo dpkg --remove --pending && sudo apt-get autoremove (or apt-get remove linux-x where x is the old kernel).
[01:16] <seanz> Thanks again, everyone. You're a great bunch of humans.
[01:16] <seanz> Going away for now.
[01:16] <hitsujiTMO> KI7MT: there is no alt cd
[01:16] <PatrickDickey> Good luck seanz.
[01:16] <seanz> PatrickDickey: Thanks.
[01:16] <PatrickDickey> hitsujiTMO: Ubuntu server. then install desktops afterwards.
[01:17] <hitsujiTMO> PatrickDickey: his issue is with the server cd
[01:17] <Roy1994> !mail -f $HOME/.evolution/mail/loc/Inbox
[01:17] <PatrickDickey> Ugh. :S I thought it was a live cd.
[01:17] <KI7MT> hitsujiTMO, Oh, my bad, that is the ALT installer, thought it was Ubuntu Desktop he was installing.
[01:18] <hitsujiTMO> KI7MT: alt cd doesnt exist anymore btw
[01:18] <Roy1994> quit
[01:18] <hitsujiTMO> shreezbot: what method are you using to install? usb or cd?
[01:19] <KI7MT> hitsujiTMO, 12.04 is does, I dont do the in between LTS installs, so kinda behind on that a bit.
[01:22] <KI7MT> hitsujiTMO, just cheked 13.10, that's a bummer, they removed alt install, guess it's server + desktop no then, but that kernel is geared toward server duty, not desktop.
[01:26] <PatrickDickey> KI7MT: Actually the kernel is a generic one, so it's not geared either way anymore.
[01:27] <Norith> Hi everyone.  I'm wondering if I should try and enable trim/discard on an lvm'd raid1 hybrid array of a 24GB ssd and a 24GB partition on a 5400 rpm hdd in a laptop.  thoughts?
[01:27] <KI7MT> PatrickDickey, so you saying the Desktop and Server Kernels are the same now, from 12,04 onward?
[01:28] <PatrickDickey> Yep. Well at least in the 13.10 kernel. But I think I read somewhere that it's the same from 12.04 on.
[01:29] <PatrickDickey> There are different kernels that you can install from the server iso, but the generic is the default one.
[01:29] <hitsujiTMO> KI7MT: theres no real difference between server and desktop anymore. they now both use the same kernel
[01:29] <Norith> KI7MT: reference: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerFaq#What.27s_the_difference_between_desktop_and_server.3F
[01:29] <harrisr> hey i have a tar called arduino-1.0.5-linux32.tgz how do i install it from the terminal
[01:30] <PatrickDickey> harrisr: tar -xvf arduino-1.0.5-linux-32.tgz then cd into the directory and read the INSTALL file.
[01:30] <PatrickDickey> harrisr: or the README file.
[01:31] <harrisr>  arduino-1.0.5-linux-32.tgz: Cannot open: No such file or directory
[01:31] <Norith> harrisr: tar xzvf, not xvf
[01:31] <hitsujiTMO> PatrickDickey: no, they're all unified no, no more seperate kernels. the virtual and server, etc, are now just meta packages that depend on generic
[01:31] <PatrickDickey> Thanks Norith, I get them confused sometimes (most of the time actually).
[01:32] <Norith> plus, you said linux32, not linux-32
[01:32] <harrisr> tar -xzvf arduino-1.0.5-linux-32.tgz
[01:32] <harrisr> is that correct
[01:33] <KI7MT> hitsujiTMO, PatrickDickey Norith I need to catch up on current events it would appear, in 13.04 looks like they went to the common kernel . still prefer the "server" installer apposed to the Desktop.
[01:33] <PatrickDickey> harrisr: Probably tar -xzvf arduino-1.0.5-linux32.tgz
[01:33] <harrisr> ok then how do i get the install file
[01:33] <PatrickDickey> cd into the directory it creates. Most likely that will be arduino-1.0.5 and it will be in there.
[01:34] <hitsujiTMO> Norith: tar detects they tpye so no need for z
[01:34] <KI7MT> was gonna say to extract .. nee -xzvf
[01:34] <shreezbot> hitsujiTMO, I've tried both USB and CD and both hang at the same spot...
[01:34] <KI7MT> need
[01:34] <harrisr> ok i cd into directory now what
[01:34] <Norith> hitsujiTMO: ah, good to know. ty
[01:34] <sp3lltwine> hai guys
[01:34] <hitsujiTMO> shreezbot: what tool are you using to create the usb?
[01:35] <sp3lltwine> try the dd command
[01:35] <harrisr> PatrickDickey,  i cd into directory now what
[01:35] <PatrickDickey> harrisr: You'll have to use either cat or an editor to read the INSTALL (or README) file.  Then follow it's instructions on how to configure, make and make install.
[01:35] <hitsujiTMO> !danger | sp3lltwine
[01:35] <harrisr> $ ls   arduino  examples  hardware  lib  libraries  reference  revisions.txt  tools
[01:36] <PatrickDickey> harrisr: Where did you download it from? I'd suggest going there, and looking for installation instructions.
[01:36] <sp3lltwine> can someone please explain how to install tor... every time i try it says "this program is not owned by this user"
[01:36] <harrisr> http://arduino.cc/en/Main/Software
[01:37] <shreezbot> hitsujiTMO, Linux Live USB Creator
[01:38] <PatrickDickey> sp3lltwine: ls -l the file, and you might have to use sudo, depending on what user owns it (and whether it's a .deb file or another one).
[01:38] <ObrienDave> sp3lltwine, tor is available in the repos
[01:39] <PatrickDickey> harrisr: http://playground.arduino.cc//Linux/Ubuntu
[01:39] <vocx> !tor
[01:40] <KI7MT> harrisr, that is not a a common IDE, I suggest you joing their forums / irc channel, as they themselves will have the best information on how to implement their software.
[01:40]  * PatrickDickey wonders if dd finally caught up with sp3lltwine... :S
[01:40] <hitsujiTMO> shreezbot: hmm. must be some sort of compa
[01:40] <jimi_> over sftp, how can i tell a directoriy's size??
[01:40] <hitsujiTMO> shreezbot: hmm. must be some sort of compatibility issue then :(
[01:40] <hitsujiTMO> shreezbot: what kind of system is it?
[01:42] <MBCR> HI
[01:43] <PatrickDickey> Hi MBCR
[01:43] <jmgk> HI
[01:43] <MBCR> i am DRUNK!
[01:43]  * PatrickDickey wishes he was drunk.... Of course going to work in an hour would be a problem then. :P
[01:46] <riceandb1ans> how is it that ubuntu can manage to make tightvnc NOT work out of the box and require heavy system modifications to get it to work
[01:46] <harrisr> PatrickDickey, after running sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install arduino arduino-core  i got error message E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[01:46] <PatrickDickey> harrisr: did it have any errors before that? If not, then try sudo dpkg --configure -a to see what it's trying to fix.
[01:47] <Karlo_> I have a laptop running ubuntu, and two desktops, one ubuntu and one archaic redhat.  At the moment I can't connect either of the desktops to a monitor, and only one of them to a keyboard and mouse (not particularly useful anyway with no monitor). I thought that perhaps I could at least connect a blind desktop to ethernet and get files off of it, but that doesn't seem to be working.
[01:47] <harrisr> it is setting up kingsoft office
[01:48] <PatrickDickey> Karlo_: why can't you connect them to a monitor? And if you know the ip address and have openssl-server installed on them, you can use scp to copy files off.
[01:48] <KI7MT> jimi_, why sftp and no ssh  for that particular task ?
[01:48] <KI7MT> and not ssh
[01:49] <PatrickDickey> harrisr: As long as that completes without any issues, you should be able to install arduino afterwards.
[01:49] <Karlo_> PatrickDickey: Among the two desktops and two monitors, I've only found one power cord so far.  (Part of a moving fiasco.)
[01:49] <PatrickDickey> Karlo_: Been there. done that... ;)
[01:50] <jimi_> KI7MT, because only SFTP is enabled for my user
[01:50] <harrisr> how long should it take
[01:50] <PatrickDickey> And Karlo_, I meant to say openssh-server, not openssl-server.
[01:51] <PatrickDickey> harrisr: I don't know off-hand. I've never installed Kingsoft Office.
[01:51] <harrisr> there
[01:51] <PatrickDickey> Done?
[01:51] <harrisr> yes
[01:51] <PatrickDickey> Hit your up arrow key twice (to get the apt-get command to show) and hit enter. ;)
[01:52] <harrisr> i did
[01:52] <PatrickDickey> So it installed arduino then?
[01:52] <harrisr> is installing the drivers the same as windows
[01:53] <KI7MT> jimi_, I think you limited to like ls type commands, but you could try some du commands and see.
[01:53] <PatrickDickey> harrisr: The process is a bit different, but the concept is the same. If the drivers weren't installed as part of apt-get, they should have instructions on the site for it.
[01:53] <jimi_> KI7MT, du isnt available, i tried that.... no option for 'ls'
[01:53] <jimi_> KI7MT, no size for 'ls'
[01:53] <harrisr> how can i check i pluged in the arduino
[01:54] <PatrickDickey> harrisr: That's something you'll have to find on their site. I haven't played with one. I'd imagine it should mount though somewhere.
[01:54] <q0> Is there a way of appending a command to an ongoing CLI command ? Like I'm compiling kernel in terminal 1, but i forgot to add && make blabla to it, from another terminal can i append ?
[01:55] <jimi_> "how do i check i plugged in the tv"
[01:55] <jimi_> lol
[01:55] <jimi_> "did you plug it in?" .. "ya" ... "ok its plugged in"
[01:55] <jimi_> :D
[01:55] <PatrickDickey> q0: I don't think so. Most likely you'll have to CTRL+C it, and then make clean, then redo the compiliation with the command.
[01:55] <Karlo_> I powered up the archaic machine and plugged it into the ethernet; after giving it what I thought should be sufficient time to boot, I did a ping of the 254 possible IP numbers, but it wasn't there.
[01:55] <Karlo_> Perhaps this is because the LAN here is usin 192.168.1.* and my machine wants to be 10.10.10.* -- I don't fully understand this bit, and the person who was helping me just spent a full hour yelling at me for leading her on a "wild goose chase" by giving what she says are contradictory answers.  So, I'm not in a good mood.
[01:56] <KI7MT> jimi_, think you may be stuck .. not seeing any obviously answers in man stfp
[01:56] <q0> PatrickDickey, in that case compile kernel && install kernel && reboot -r now    would work without any problems ? (I'm asking because I will have to leave for hours)
[01:56] <jimi_> KI7MT, ya me either, ty tho for the help
[01:57] <harrisr> thanks gtg
[01:57] <Karlo_> q0, if you typed cmd1 and meant cmd1 && cmd2, why can't you just enter cmd2 as typeahead text?
[01:57] <PatrickDickey> q0: I'm not sure if I would trust doing it all without sitting there. But I'd say compile it, then when you come home, see if there are any errors. If not then install and reboot.
[01:58] <PatrickDickey> Karlo_: So your computer (the archaic one) is using a 192.168.x.x ip address, and the computer you're on has a 10.10.x.x address?
[01:58] <Karlo_> You can get the "&&" effect by saying [ $? = 0 ] && cmd2, but if cmd1 is eating keyboard input, then it would be trickier.
[01:58] <q0> Karlo_, typeahead text ?
[01:58] <q0> ahh, I think this is what I was looking for
[01:58] <Karlo_> q0, you can usually type in a command without waiting for the prompt
[01:59]  * PatrickDickey still wouldn't really try the install part without knowing that the compile completed successfully...
[02:00] <Karlo_> PatrickDickey: The computer I'm on right now is the laptop, and it's using 192.168.1.*; my previous LAN, before I moved here, was using 10.10.10.*, and so I'm guessing that the redhat machine is still trying to use that.
[02:01] <PatrickDickey> Karlo_: Did all of your computers get their IP addresses from DHCP, or did you set any up as static? If they got them from dhcp, it should get a 192.168.1.x number also.
[02:02] <Karlo_> Ah, now that is (apparently) the exact question that caused my would-be helper to yell at me for an hour.  So, I'll be precise here.
[02:02] <PatrickDickey> Karlo_: If it was set up as a static IP, then my suggestion would be to get a crossover cable, and connect the laptop directly to it. Then pick an number in the 10.10. range, and then try to ping the other one.
[02:03] <KI7MT> jimi_, I found a function you can use (ls) to get reak file size totals, but I think it as to be in an interactive shell, and not sure that applies in sftp.
[02:03] <MarGul> if I use sudo reboot from an SSH connection. Do I physically have to log in to my server or can I just use SSH again to get in?
[02:03] <PatrickDickey> does sftp support the dir command? If so, that should show you the file sizes.
[02:03] <Karlo_> FACT: the way the LAN was set up at my old home, when i plugged one end of a networking cable into a computer, and the other end into the ethernet hub, i would get an IP address of 10.10.10.x where the octet x was something that i could not reliably predict in advance.  (I witnessed it switch between .3 and .5)
[02:03] <PatrickDickey> MarGul: ssh will work afterwards.
[02:04] <MarGul> PatrickDickey: Thanks :)
[02:04] <jimi_> KI7MT, lay it on me daddy
[02:04] <KI7MT> jimi_, See Post Number - 6: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/how-to-make-ls-display-the-real-size-for-directories-638975/
[02:05] <PatrickDickey> Karlo_: That's because the ethernet hub (or a router somewhere along the lines) was giving it an IP address via DHCP. So, it *should* get one from the 192.168.1.x range, if you're plugging it into a hub/router on your current LAN.
[02:05] <Karlo_> I believe it's the case that I did not have anything set up as static, but I won't assert that with any confidence, since I'm fuzzy on some of the terminology here.
[02:06] <PatrickDickey> Karlo_: Static means that every time you unplug and plug it in, it gets the same IP Address. If it changed, then it got the address from DHCP (Dynamic Host Control Protocol).
[02:07] <Karlo_> Actually, let me amend that.  The ubuntu computer was definitely getting different IP numbers, but this was never observed on the redhat computer.
[02:07] <PatrickDickey> Karlo_: One other question. Was one of your computers set up as a server? Where it controlled things like IP Addresses and DNS?
[02:08] <Karlo_> I don't recall having set up anything like that, but I'm not entirely confident.
[02:10] <PatrickDickey> Karlo_: Then I suggest getting a crossover cable, and plugging it directly between the laptop and the computer. Then edit your /etc/network/interfaces file and give yourself a 10.10.10.x (try 100) with the same subnet (netmask) as the other one. You may have to try different ones (255.0.0.0, 255.255.0.0, 255.255.255.0) before it works. Then ping and see if you can find the computer.
[02:11] <hikenboot> hi anyone able to recommend an easy to use web scrapper...trying to download all the docs and pics from a site for a local cached copy
[02:11] <PatrickDickey> And Karlo_, if you do connect to the other computer, after you copy the files from it, change its /etc/network/interfaces to get the IP Address via dhcp.
[02:13] <PatrickDickey> hikenboot: www.google.com/search?q=web+scraper+linux I've used the second one, but it's been a while.
[02:14] <PatrickDickey> Karlo_: How much of a pain would it be to find the cords for the monitor, and a keyboard/mouse? That way you could just log onto the computer directly, and deal with this easily?
[02:15] <Jinxed-> How would I load programs onto ubuntu without internet access. I would like to ssh a softphone onto an ubuntu install that I can't put online
[02:15] <Jinxed-> is there a method that would work
[02:15] <Karlo_> PatrickDickey: My helper said that it doesn't matter whether a cable is crossover or not, because modern hardware detects both cases and corrects as appropriate.  It's possible that this machine is older than that technology, though.
[02:15] <PatrickDickey> Jinxed-: If you have another computer with internet access, download the installers to a USB drive, and copy them over from that.
[02:16] <Artemis3_> Jinxed-, i would try apt-offline
[02:16] <PatrickDickey> Karlo_: You can try the straight-through then. If it doesn't work, you'll have to either get a crossover, or find the cables for a monitor/keyboard/mouse and do it directly.
[02:17] <Jinxed-> Artemis3_: apt-offline?
[02:17] <chad_> hello
[02:17] <PatrickDickey> hello chad_
[02:17] <chad_> Im trying to get my backups to play on my roku through plex
[02:18] <Karlo_> PatrickDickey: Finding the missing cords is the ideal longer-term solution in any case -- I don't want to be accessing everything from the laptop all the time.  I'm rather surprised that I haven't found them yet, actually; I've inspected quite a few of the boxes in the storage bin, some of which were packed in that same room.
[02:18] <chad_> ive got some media on my home server that wont read on plex.
[02:19] <KI7MT> Jinxed-, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet/Offline
[02:20] <chad_> anyone got tips for streaming to plex?
[02:20] <PatrickDickey> chad_: Is your home server an ubuntu server, or is it something like Amahi or Windows Home Server?
[02:21] <chad_> im using plex and im running on ubuntu
[02:21] <chad_> i use plex media manager to stream to plex on the roku
[02:21] <KI7MT> Jinxed-, thist may be better actually: http://docs.xubuntu.org/1304/offline-packages.html
[02:22] <PatrickDickey> chad_: You might have to ask on the Roku forums then. Here's one link I found from their forums that might apply. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CDIQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.roku.com%2Fviewtopic.php%3Fp%3D401039%26sid%3D37c61a3acccfda7fe87f994ed2a37f5e&ei=xqmzUrG_K8iokQexjIH4AQ&usg=AFQjCNEiOjMKBapFe_5ghFOZ0B-XXrybKA&bvm=bv.58187178,d.eW0
[02:24] <KI7MT> wow, thats a looong linky :-)
[02:24] <PatrickDickey> Yeah, sometimes I hate how Google does their links. LOL
[02:24]  * PatrickDickey most of the time, actually
[02:25] <PatrickDickey> Here's a shorter version of the link chad_ http://forums.roku.com/viewtopic.php?p=401039&sid=37c61a3acccfda7fe87f994ed2a37f5e
[02:25] <chad_> im not sure if its helpfull
[02:25] <Tele> alguien habla español?
[02:25] <chad_> im reading it but thats the weird thing it works for alot of my video.. all movies.. most tv all that are in mp4 format
[02:26] <PatrickDickey> !es | Tele
[02:26] <chad_> but all my one type of show that are mp4 wont read
[02:26] <chad_> its really weird
[02:26] <KI7MT> chad_, Well, the answer is between those two, Plex and RoKu somewhere, so start at one, and if no-joy, got to the other.
[02:27] <PatrickDickey> Well if it were a regular desktop, I'd start looking at codec issues on the Roku. But since I'm not familiar with how Roku works, I'm not sure how you would do that.
[02:27] <chad_> thank patrick im looking at the article right now
[02:28] <chad_> been doing alot of reading up figured maybe i missed the simple solution lol
[02:28] <PatrickDickey> Tele: hablas ingles?
[02:31] <Tele> gracias..
[02:31] <PatrickDickey> Tele: de nada. Tenga un noche bueno.
[02:31]  * PatrickDickey is off to work now... :S Have a good night everyone.
[02:32] <Tele> igual usted PatrickDickey  (y)
[02:34] <chad_> ha looks like i figured it out
[02:34] <chad_> i was sharing to the wrong group
[02:34] <chris89k> I have an issue with cryptsetup
[02:35] <chris89k> I have a raid array md2 which was a luks partition, I could mount it and it worked fine
[02:35] <chris89k> but now it's not recognized as a luks device
[02:35] <chris89k> Device /dev/md2 is not a valid LUKS device.
[02:36] <chris89k> now when I run blkid it shows this:
[02:36] <chris89k> /dev/md2: UUID="Gnfygp-esFh-rKpL-C8JJ-vNl6-1YvK-l5dS6C" TYPE="LVM2_member"
[02:38] <grape-drank> sup homies
[02:39] <LvMises> Hah! grape-drank.
[02:39] <LvMises> I like your nick.
[02:39] <chris89k> any ideas how to change it back to luks?
[02:39] <jackson> what?
[02:39] <Guest74000> okay
[02:41] <repogu> Hi, I desperatly need you help. I recently rebooted by (x)ubuntu 12.04, and now the gui is not starting. If I go to tty1 i can login and do everything. But X is not starting. If I try startx i get the error, that nvivida has an API mismatch. The nvidia kernel moduls has version 304.88, the nvidia driver component has 304.108. Thus I cannot start X. my kernel version is 3.2.0-57 generic. Any hints or ideas to repair this problem?
[02:44] <chad_> would love to hear how to fix it repogu
[02:44] <chad_> dont know myself
[02:44] <repogu> chad_: you have the same problem?
[02:46] <awesomess3> so what's the deal with Adobe Flash player and non-SSE2 CPUs? Is the latest Adobe Flash players working with non-SSE2 CPUs?
[02:47] <chad_> i cant get my external drive to be set to allow access for 'others'
[02:48] <SonikkuAmerica> awesomess3: On Intel CPUs without it, yes. The bug only affects AMD CPUs without SSE2
[02:50] <chad_> any idea how to force a external to share?
[02:51] <chad_> im trying to change permissions
[02:51] <chad_> and it wont change the 'others' access or 'group access to allow me to stream from external
[02:57] <awesomess3> in your opinion what's your favorite Ubuntu flavor? (regular unity, gnome, kde, xfce?)
[02:58] <chad_> ive only used unity and kde
[02:58] <ObrienDave> Xubuntu \o/
[02:59] <chad_> its been long time since kde i like unity though
[02:59] <chad_> im a newb :S
[02:59] <_qfu> gnome 2.2
[03:00] <Mayonnaise> !botsnack
[03:00] <bucky> why did my sound stop working in 13.04 ?
[03:01] <Beldar> !details | bucky
[03:02] <bucky> In alsamixer my master is shown as MM, in other words muted and I can't unmute it
[03:02] <chad_> im in ubuntu and trying to change permissions on my external but they go right back to default settings
[03:02] <chad_> any tips?
[03:05] <VlperX> I installed gnome 3 with $ sudo apt-get install gnome-shell ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[03:05] <bucky> What happened in the last update that fucked my sound up?
[03:05] <VlperX> yet the unity bar on the left is still there
[03:06] <Beldar> !language | bucky
[03:06] <Beldar> VlperX, You choose gnome from the login gui
[03:07] <VlperX> but it's already switched to gnome.. that's the strange thing.. the gdm has changed.. everything
[03:07] <VlperX> except the unity bar
[03:07] <Beldar> VlperX, You choose gnome from the login gui
[03:09] <bucky> why did my sound stop working in 13.04 ?
[03:09] <bucky> In alsamixer my master is shown as MM, in other words muted and I can't unmute it
[03:10] <Beldar> not sure why you would install the gnome-desktop
[03:10] <VlperX> i sewe
[03:10] <VlperX> how do i make that my default
[03:10] <VlperX> and why not?
[03:10] <crazyhorse18> how do you install java under ubuntu
[03:10] <VlperX> not a fan of unity
[03:11] <crazyhorse18> i've tried apt-get install sun-java6-jre
[03:11] <VlperX> you want java 7, for one
[03:11] <Beldar> VlperX, gnome 3 is already there, the gnome 3 desktop is the gnome shell.
[03:11] <VlperX> crazyhorse18, sudo apt-get install icedtea-7-plugin openjdk-7-jre
[03:12] <crazyhorse18> ok thanks :)
[03:12] <Beldar> VlperX, If you access the shell from the login it will default to it.
[03:12] <VlperX> shell?
[03:12] <VlperX> what are you calling shell?
[03:13] <Beldar> VlperX, the gnome 3 desktop in ubuntu is called the gnome-shell I said this already.
[03:13] <KI7MT> VlperX, cuz that's what it's commonly referred to as.
[03:13] <Beldar> its on 1000's of websites
[03:13] <VlperX> the desktop.. is called a shell?
[03:13] <VlperX> wel i've only ever used server versions. I'm brand new to desktops
[03:13] <Beldar> probably millions
[03:14] <KI7MT> VlperX, Dont shoot the messenger :-) I didn't call it that :-0
[03:14] <bucky> In alsamixer my master is shown as MM, in other words muted and I can't unmute it
[03:14] <bucky> why did my sound stop working in 13.04 ?
[03:14] <bucky> What happened in the last update that fucked my sound up?
[03:15] <VlperX> "guys guys guys, lets call our new desktop a 'shell'" "But that's already taken by something not even related" "Shell it is!""
[03:16] <chad_> any idea on how to change permissions
[03:16] <chad_> on a external
[03:16]  * Beldar fools red fag is up
[03:16] <Beldar> flag8hehe
[03:16] <VlperX> so no chmod, chad_ ?
[03:18] <KI7MT> chad_, external what? files, folders, drives, clouds ??
[03:18] <[1]robo> howdy
[03:18] <KI7MT> Howdy
[03:18] <VlperX> howdy
[03:19] <KI7MT> now don't go and say Duty
[03:19] <[1]robo> I blew up my ubuntu setup, and I'm stumped.
[03:19] <VlperX> that's quite a statement
[03:19] <KI7MT> !details | [1]robo
[03:20] <shreezbot> Ok, so is there a good way for me to tell if the hardware for my machine just isn't compatible with Ubuntu at all???  I've tried everything to get this thing to install and I still keep hanging at the language select screen....
[03:20] <[1]robo> my hp dv7 pavilion was running hotter under ubuntu 12.10 than under windows, so I installed the AMD drivers
[03:20] <VlperX> here's a question: how, for the love of Santa, can I install these extensions? https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/7/removable-drive-menu/
[03:20] <VlperX> there's no indication of how to install it
[03:21] <shreezbot> My motherboard is an Asrock 990FX Extreme4 and I'm running an 8 core Bulldozer...
[03:21] <Beldar> shreezbot, try googling that exact computer model and the ubuntu release, maybe there is a kernel tweak needed. I assume you have done a md5 check.
[03:21] <[1]robo> X wouldn't run, so I removed the drivers, now I can't run X or start networking
[03:21] <[1]robo> (sorry, is it rude to just wander in and start talking?_)
[03:21] <shreezbot> Beldar, I've done an md5 check and it fails every time, but I'm downloading the ISO on my laptop, which is a completely different computer than the one I'm installing it on...
[03:22] <VlperX> everyone does it
[03:22] <shreezbot> Beldar, I have never seen a successful md5 check...
[03:22] <Beldar> shreezbot, a failed md5 does not mean you should try and install anyway.
[03:23] <Beldar> shreezbot, what release?
[03:23] <[1]robo> my real question is, how do I reinstall when grub is on the linux partition?
[03:23] <Beldar> [1]robo, that makes no sense.
[03:24] <shreezbot> Beldar, I've tried 12.04 and 13.10...
[03:25] <[1]robo> in what respect?
[03:25] <Beldar> shreezbot, do you have a really slow download, or any indicators why the download is bad? Are you sure your doing the check correctly.
[03:26] <Beldar> [1]robo, A reinstall has nothing to do with grub on a partition, at least without any context.
[03:26] <[1]robo> I have 4 partitions--3 windows partitions that HP shipped the laptop with and an Ext4 partition (/dev/sda3) that linux is on, and on which grub lives
[03:26] <[1]robo> thanks, talking about what I want to do helped me figure out what I need to RTFM :)
[03:26] <Beldar> [1]robo, so boot a live /disc/usb and install
[03:28] <Beldar> [1]robo, You might put in an extended the have the ubuntu in a logical and stil have room for a swap if you want one.
[03:28] <shreezbot> Beldar, I'm using winmd5sum to do the check...  My download is actually very fast...  Interestingly, I was just able to get it to work with the alternate ISO...
[03:28] <Beldar> shreezbot, Cool.
[03:28] <[1]robo> Beldar, that raises another question that I've wondered about--how big a difference does a swap partition make to performance?
[03:28] <shreezbot> Beldar, Is the alternate ISO the server version, or desktop?
[03:29] <Beldar> shreezbot, generally the desktop
[03:29] <shreezbot> Beldar, What is the difference in server and desktop other than no shell?
[03:29] <Beldar> shreezbot, No real sure I have not used the server.
[03:30] <[1]robo> anyway, thanks.  Toodles :)
[03:30] <TripleX> Hey everyone!
[03:30] <shreezbot> Beldar, That's good enough for me.  I'm using this for my home server, so I'm thinking desktop will probably be just fine...  :)
[03:31] <TripleX> Anyone know how to describe the text at the start of terminal?
[03:31] <TripleX> The words before "$"
[03:31] <ObrienDave> ummm, path?
[03:31] <TripleX> I guess.
[03:31] <shreezbot> TripleX, I think it is technically referred to as a "prompt"...
[03:31] <TripleX> Like, i'm trying to research how to edit that, so i can always have my current directly listed
[03:31] <repogu> okay. found a solution (which is very ... brute force, but recommended by linux mint users). I was a little upset, so i used this way. "sudo apt-get purge nvidia*" (where i almost craped my pants), "sudo apt-get install nvidia-current-updates-dev" (which forces the reinstall of all you need), reboot, "service lightdm start" (which restarts the graphical login, which starts x and so on). The latter is important, because startx will not get the screen
[03:31] <repogu> on it's own. The problems seems to be a messed um dkms script (or however this is called). Now I can do my work. Good night for you all (chad_ hopes this will help you, too)
[03:31] <shreezbot> TripleX, To signal that you are being prompted for input...
[03:31] <TripleX> shreezbot: So like "customize terminal prompt" would be proper.
[03:32] <TripleX> shreezbot: Understood.
[03:32] <repogu> damn. The first apt-get is of course a purge
[03:32] <shreezbot> TripleX, I think that is correct
[03:32] <TripleX> shreezbot: Awesome, thanks
[03:38] <samsee4> an upstart question
[03:38] <samsee4> anyone avaiable to help?
[03:38] <daftykins> just ask
[03:39] <samsee4> i'm running elasticsearch.  there is .deb package which installs an upstart script
[03:40] <samsee4> it runs fine from the binary but the upstart script fails to start it.  anyone know what debugging output is available?
[03:44] <KI7MT> samsee4, It's a script, so debugging it as an upstart should not be too unlike normal script debugging, same tools apply: sudo sh -x  /etc/init.d/some-script  start  .. adding ste -e and set +x / -x .. etc.. using service is the preferred way to control upstarts, but may be do as well with debugging.
[03:45] <KI7MT> samsee4, Another resource: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/Debugging
[03:46] <samsee4> k17MT thx
[03:47] <DarkGhost_> Hi!
[03:47] <DarkGhost_> I just installed ubuntu what should I do lol
[03:47] <KI7MT> Hello
[03:47] <DarkGhost_> I haven't installed any drivers seems and it seems to be going pretty good.
[03:47] <whoever> KI7MT: hello
[03:48] <nevyn> DarkGhost_: "Which way do you want to0 go? up or down?
[03:48] <KI7MT> DarkGhost_, Get the Ubuntu Manual and work through it, it's a very good tutorial: http://ubuntu-manual.org/
[03:48] <DarkGhost_> nevyn,  up
[03:48] <SchrodingersScat> DarkGhost_: what do you normally do with your computer?
[03:48] <DarkGhost_> Web dev. Play Counter-strike
[03:49] <whoever> DarkGhost_: ok, so keeping going, fyi the "drivers" .so's(shared objects) install as needed ususally
[03:49] <SchrodingersScat> DarkGhost_: I'm thinking you'll be happy then.
[03:49] <DarkGhost_> SchrodingersScat,  I've been getting better with just using VIM
[03:49] <KI7MT> Like the old say goes, if it aint broken, dont try to fix it, just use it :-)
[03:49] <VlperX> what do you guys use for an ssh client on ubuntu?
[03:50] <CountryfiedLinux> Ok I've followed the wiki on upgrading my kernel in Wheezy to 3.11 and I'm not hardly getting it.
[03:50] <KI7MT> VlanX, the terminal
[03:50] <DarkGhost_> VlperX,  terminal
[03:50] <VlperX> I use Xshell4 on windows... can't seem to get it on ubuntu =(
[03:50] <CountryfiedLinux> What repository do I need to install before I can install the kernel?
[03:50] <VlperX> well I want something with profiles
[03:51] <whoever> CountryfiedLinux:  none , its in base
[03:52] <VlperX> what the heck: ERROR: Calling a sysvinit script on a system using upstart isn't supported. Please use the 'service' command instead.
[03:52] <KI7MT> VlperX, If you really must have a GUI based SSH client, SecPanel is worth a look.
[03:52] <VlperX> that was $ sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[03:52] <whoever> CountryfiedLinux: uncommend the mirror in your mirros.lst
[03:52] <VlperX> I just want something with profiles
[03:52] <CountryfiedLinux> whoever, uncommend?
[03:52] <whoever> CountryfiedLinux: other then that you should have it
[03:53] <whoever> *uncomment
[03:53] <CountryfiedLinux> whoever, What do you mean by uncomment?
[03:53] <SchrodingersScat> vidplace7: mosh
[03:53] <KI7MT> VlperX, also, using service is the preferred service control method: sudo service networking restart  ... .. ..
[03:54] <VlperX> uh but why didn't my method work?
[03:54] <SchrodingersScat> CountryfiedLinux: if there is a # at the beginning, it might be a comment?
[03:54] <whoever> CountryfiedLinux: the line that represents that server cound be commended(begin with  ##) so that it is not being queried or used
[03:54] <CountryfiedLinux> whoever, I'm about to install Wheezy again and try again. You gonna be here in about 15 minutes? And how do I access the mirror list I have?
[03:55] <VlperX> KI7MT, I ran that and my screen went black. uhm
[03:55] <whoever> CountryfiedLinux: i will be in and out =
[03:55] <Beldar> CountryfiedLinux, debian has a channel
[03:55] <whoever> CountryfiedLinux: and why wheezy
[03:56] <CountryfiedLinux> oh right haha sorry.
[03:56] <KI7MT> VlperX, were you logged in via SSH or are you on the machine directly.
[03:56] <VlperX> direct
[03:56] <VlperX> weird?
[03:56] <VlperX> lost my ssh to it too. (duh) hasn't returned yet
[03:57] <whoever>  CountryfiedLinux that is 14 and it is not out yet,  so it may still have problems
[03:57] <KI7MT> VlperX, you may need to: sudo service network-manager restart
[03:59] <KI7MT> VlperX, and yes, simply restarting the network manager from a terminal, unless it's remote, should not give you a black screen.
[03:59] <VlperX> ya. i know. weird
[03:59] <VlperX> had to force boot
[04:01] <VlperX> why does setting a static IP always screw things up for me..
[04:02] <daftykins> VlperX: you must not be getting the config quite right
[04:02] <VlperX> i used : iface wlan0 inet static
[04:02] <daftykins> wireless =/
[04:02] <VlperX> adress, subnet, gateway
[04:02] <VlperX> surely I can static a wireless IP?
[04:03] <daftykins> is this a pure CLI server system?
[04:03] <VlperX> a what
[04:04] <KI7MT> VlperX, couple possibilities, 1). on your routers, you need to modify the DHCP range of IPS being dished out and ensure the static IP you pick in not within that range.  2). network cofig missing an element or mis configured.
[04:04] <VlperX> it's just 31.10 desktop on a laptop
[04:04] <genii> You're probably best to assign the IP at the level of the router by the MAC address instead of doing at at the endpoint of the computer
[04:04] <VlperX> probably..
[04:04] <daftykins> DHCP reservation is useless when the router is removed from the equation
[04:05] <daftykins> also, if it's desktop, specify the static IP via network manager, not the interfaces file
[04:05] <VlperX> it works eventually.. and about a 3rd of the time on new machines
[04:06] <KI7MT> VlperX, I find, wiht my home cicso, it's easy to just reserve an IP for a particular box, does the same as static, while still employing DHCP on the home LAN
[04:06] <VlperX> the MAC isn't in ifconfig.. what
[04:07] <VlperX> ohh
[04:07] <VlperX> HWaddr
[04:07] <VlperX> my bad
[04:07] <VlperX> so damn used to windows..
[04:07] <AndChat399636> How do I connect to wireless on ubuntu server ... wlan 0 not found
[04:07] <daftykins> so many horrible ideas of how to network around here :'(
[04:08] <KI7MT> VlperX, yes first line: eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:08:9b:c4:30:31 <<[04:08] <daftykins> VlperX: is network manager handling your wireless connection right now?
[04:08] <whoever> AndChat399636: the same way you would a windows
[04:08] <daftykins> whoever: right yeah, a nice purely CLI modern Windows install... oh wait.
[04:08] <VlperX> i just removed my config changes and set it in the router as suggested
[04:08] <VlperX> now to reboot to confirm it worked
[04:09] <AndChat399636> I have bash access.. I need Cli cmd to set up wlan
[04:09] <nevyn> iwconfig
[04:09] <VlperX> is `shutdown -r now` the exact same as `reboot` ?
[04:09] <nevyn> but you probably don't want to do that.
[04:10] <KI7MT> VlperX, yes
[04:10] <daftykins> AndChat399636: there are plenty of guides online i'm sure.
[04:10] <AndChat399636> Iwconfig says no wireless extensions
[04:10] <VlperX> driver issue>?
[04:11] <whoever> daftykins:  what do you mean oh, wait, it is not some magic spell here, wheather you are connecting to a router wifi or not reqaudless of wheather your on win lin, or mac
[04:11] <AndChat399636> Dafty... I have checked a handful.. and I am on my phone
[04:11] <KI7MT> VlperX, If you new to the terminal a great friend to have is "man" .. lik type in ...  man reboot  ... for info.
[04:11] <nevyn> AndChat399636: what wifi chip?
[04:12] <AndChat399636> Intel 3945abg
[04:12] <AndChat399636> That's the network controller
[04:12] <daftykins> whoever: sorry your english is pretty tough to try and follow, i was joking about the fact that he referred to a *server* OS which is pure CLI, then you said connect to wireless the same way as Windows. so - what CLI Windows have you used wifi with recently? :)
[04:13] <quechon> Anybody home
[04:14] <daftykins> yes
[04:14] <ObrienDave> nope
[04:15] <quechon> I have a segmentation fault problem in ubuntu
[04:15] <whoever> daftykins: ah... i thaught those where two different thaughts, 1- a cli server  2- connect to WAP
[04:15] <KI7MT> daftykins, come to think of it, I dont know of a Windows CLI wifi tool I've ever used .... lol ..
[04:15] <nevyn> AndChat399636: do you hvae the firmware installed?
[04:16] <AndChat399636> How do I check
[04:16] <quechon> How can i trace the root of segmentation fault  error please
[04:17] <KI7MT> quechon, most common method is gdb
[04:17] <jcrza> Anyone have a clue why my surface pro with 13.10 is freezing when I boot up?
[04:17] <quechon> Any good guide on how to use it
[04:17] <jcrza> I have time to press like one key in the password box and it just locks up graphically
[04:18] <quechon> By the way people ubuntu great os i love it
[04:18] <KI7MT> quechon, Using gdb is a full day exercise. There's lots of how too's on the net like: http://www.unknownroad.com/rtfm/gdbtut/gdbsegfault.html
[04:18] <nevyn> quechon: valgrind can also be very useful (particularly if you're trashing the stack)
[04:19] <whoever> jcrza: sounds like you have a keyboard or mouse shorting on you, is this a new build
[04:19] <AndChat399636> How do I check if the firmware is installed
[04:19] <KI7MT> quechon, what application is giving you the segfault?
[04:19] <quechon> I get that error every time i try to compile android
[04:19] <jcrza> whoever: well, I just installed it
[04:20] <whoever> jcrza: how long ago did you build the box
[04:20] <quechon> It says compiler segmentation fault
[04:20] <jcrza> whoever: oh, it's a surface pro. it's a pre-assembled tablet pc
[04:21] <whoever> jcrza: what, what keyboard are you using
[04:21] <jcrza> it's the keyboard built in to the case
[04:21] <jcrza> well, the cover.
[04:21] <nevyn> how does that thing connect?
[04:21] <jcrza> it's a magnetic thing
[04:21] <nevyn> is it bluetooth or is there a physical connector to the machine?
[04:21] <jcrza> it's definitely connected though
[04:21] <whoever> jcrza: what if you run live off the dvd
[04:22] <jcrza> the dialogue that shows "you ahve connected to a network" stays up forever
[04:22] <KI7MT> quechon, Well that where I have stop, I know nothing about Andriod whatsoever.
[04:22] <jcrza> and in my experience that fades shortly
[04:22] <jcrza> so I think it's just.. locked up
[04:22] <jcrza> whoever: it worked when I ran from usb
[04:23] <whoever> jcrza: ok, what if you install it  ... fresh , and tell it to auto log you in
[04:23] <jcrza> I suppose I could try that
[04:23] <jcrza> think it's something particularly with the login prompt?
[04:23] <quechon> Ok but it doesn't matter how many time i fresh install ubuntu i get the same and other people dont
[04:23] <quechon> Would that be a corrupt package or something
[04:24] <quechon> Could
[04:24] <jcrza> whoever: just to make sure I plugged in an external keyboard and tried to type, definitely locked up
[04:24] <whoever> jcrza: doube it , sounds like something with what keyboard you think you have or something with the timeout sequance
[04:25] <jcrza> see my message above
[04:25] <jcrza> It's definitely locked up
[04:25] <KI7MT> quechon, I would think it's more likely to be the  code you compiling rather than Ubuntu
[04:26] <whoever> jcrza: are you try to just run ubuntu or dual bot
[04:26] <whoever> *boot
[04:26] <blrg> l
[04:27] <jcrza> whoever: just ubuntu
[04:27] <jcrza> sick of programming on windows
[04:27] <KI7MT> quechon, You may want to pop into the Android IRC channel, or Android Development IRC they surely would be familar with these types of issues.
[04:27] <quechon> http://pastebin.com/1xrRjU2N this for example
[04:27] <quechon> Ok thanks man
[04:30] <whoever> jcrza: check this out, there are fixes, but don't think you can apply it if you can't get in so you may have to reinstall just to add
[04:30] <whoever> jcrza: https://bugs.launchpad.net/dell-sputnik/+bug/1167624
[04:30] <jcrza> whoever: I can get in in the "safe mode" or whatever linux calls it
[04:30] <jcrza> I already tried apt-get upgrading and getting the newest of everything I had installed
[04:30] <jcrza> still no luck in the GUI though
[04:30] <whoever> jcrza: ok, so you may not have to re install to apply
[04:32] <whoever> jcrza: does the wifi work
[04:32] <whoever> jcrza: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1165938
[04:34] <whoever> jcrza: i don't think you apt-got everything, or it would had filled your hardrive up and or would had fixed the issue :-)
[04:38] <aberrant> hi all
[04:38] <KI7MT> Hello
[04:38] <aberrant> ok, I *really* need the ability for a normal user to be able to use chown. How do I enable it?
[04:38] <aberrant> I've been reading about CAP_CHOWN but not sure how to enable it.
[04:39] <genii> aberrant: What is the desired end result you are trying to achieve?
[04:40] <aberrant> genii: I'm trying to change the ownership of a file via os.chown() in python.
[04:40] <aberrant> the python script, of course, will not be running as root.
[04:40] <aberrant> my desired end result is a file owned by some specified user, changed via the python script.
[04:41] <KI7MT> aberrant, that ability goes against the entire security model .. doing so would open up the entire system to the user base.
[04:41] <aberrant> KI7MT: sorry, but that's just not true.
[04:41] <lickalott> KI7MT did you get coldplay (or whatever his nick was) squared away?
[04:41] <aberrant> user-executable chown() opens up quota abuse, but that's really about all.
[04:42] <PebkacJones> test
[04:42] <PebkacJones> hai
[04:42] <genii> aberrant: The more traditional way in shell would be to add a sudoers entry for a user specifying the chown command
[04:42] <PebkacJones> anybody awake? :)
[04:42] <genii> !test | PebkacJones
[04:42] <lickalott> aberrant, add them to the sudoers file
[04:42] <aberrant> genii: that doesn't work for os.chown() though
[04:42] <KI7MT> aberrant, ok, well, when ya figure out a secure way of doing that, please let us know.
[04:42] <aberrant> KI7MT: most other unices allow user chown.
[04:43] <lickalott> I wouldn't do it personally, but that's how i would do it if I wanted them to have access
[04:43] <KI7MT> lickalott, nope, none of us could get that one figured out.
[04:43] <aberrant> chown strips SUID file perms, so....
[04:43] <aberrant> lickalott: that won't work with the chown(2) syscall, which is what os.chown() implements.
[04:43] <lickalott> LOL!!!  I just heard my wife whoop the shit out of my youngest son
[04:43] <genii> aberrant: The usual thing is that users are allowed to chown stuff they already own over to another user but then lose control of the file
[04:43] <aberrant> genii: yes.
[04:43] <aberrant> That's what I want.
[04:44] <KI7MT> That's different than what you originally asked about or at least was what I understood it too be.
[04:44] <lickalott> me too
[04:44] <aberrant> KI7MT: um, huh?
[04:45] <aberrant> I have a file created by user A. I want to, via python, have a process running as A chown the file to user B.
 ok, I *really* need the ability for a normal user to be able to use chown. How do I enable it?  <-----
[04:45] <lickalott> and sudo won't work???
[04:45] <aberrant> the issue is that users are NOT allowed to chown stuff in 2.6.14+ kernels without CAP_CHOWN set.
[04:46] <aberrant> lickalott: no. chown() is a syscall. It doesn't use sudo.
[04:46] <lickalott> this is all via python
[04:46] <genii> Sounds odd.
[04:46] <lickalott> ?
[04:47] <aberrant> lickalott: yes, but python's os.chown() just calls chown(2)
[04:47] <lickalott> can i ask what the purpose of the script is?  (end game)  excluding the chown from A to B part
[04:47] <VlperX> best RDP program for ubuntu?
[04:48] <SonikkuAmerica> !best
[04:48] <aberrant> it's to allow a separate process to read a temporary file that's created by the creating process, without granting go=r
[04:48] <VlperX> looking for opinions.
[04:48] <lickalott> aberrant http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1636136/how-to-execute-os-methods-as-root
[04:48] <genii> vidplace7: xrdp doesn't work too badly
[04:48] <SonikkuAmerica> !best > VlperX
[04:48] <aberrant> lickalott: those answers are terrible.
[04:48] <genii> VlperX: ^
[04:49] <vidplace7> genii: ping pong
[04:49] <lickalott> VlperX, teamviewer
[04:49] <genii> vidplace7: Apologies, misdirect
[04:49] <vidplace7> All good
[04:49] <aberrant> anyway, I'll look at how to grant CAP_CHOWN via init. This is getting silly.
[04:49] <lickalott> vnc also VlperX
[04:50] <aberrant> otherwise I have a race condition where this file is world-readable.
[04:50] <lickalott> how often will this be happening?
[04:50] <VlperX> well at least some of you were kind enough to give me your opinions, thanks
[04:50] <lickalott> reason i ask is; can you just set a cron job that will run and/or complete after the instance of the python script aberrant
[04:51] <KI7MT> aberrant, cant you do this with group permissions.
[04:51] <aberrant> lickalott: not easily.
[04:51] <aberrant> KI7MT: it'd require placing every possible user who needed this in the same group, which effectively makes the file world-readable.
[04:51] <VlperX> lickalott, not a fan of VNC. Teamviewer however, I already use that for one server. I might as well use it instead of RDP..
[04:52] <lickalott> what are your plans VlperX?
[04:52] <lickalott> ssh won't do?
[04:52] <VlperX> I connect to windows servers
[04:52] <KI7MT> aberrant, without seeing the whole picture, kind of hard for us to guess what would be the best solution.
[04:52] <lickalott> aberrant, I need time to think this through
[04:52] <aberrant> KI7MT: either that, or placing the writing process in every single user group, which doesn't scale when users are created.
[04:53] <lickalott> agree with KI7MT, a 50,000 ft view of your total plan would help aberrant
[04:53] <lickalott> from ubuntu VlperX?
[04:53] <VlperX> teamviewer doesn't show in ubuntu one.. damn
[04:53] <VlperX> that's the idea
[04:53] <aberrant> KI7MT: here's a scenario (not mine, but close enough): a process running as user "nobody" calls a remote database and grabs a user's semester grades. It writes the grades to a file in a common directory so that user can view it. How do you restrict access to that file?
[04:53] <VlperX> I'm investigating merging from windows to ubuntu as my primary
[04:54] <lickalott> TV would be your easiest solution.  one stop shop for all your clients just a double click away
[04:54] <VlperX> yes I like it
[04:54] <lickalott> i have all my clients (and family) in mine.
[04:54] <VlperX> how should I install it on ubuntu?
[04:54] <Deloril> aberrant, write the file as a user name, and give only the requestor permission to read it? With a process to delete all at the end of the day? New to linux, just how I would do it in Windows
[04:55] <lickalott> there's a linux package available from the site VlperX
[04:55] <VlperX> used to using apt-get lol
[04:55] <aberrant> write the file as a user name?
[04:55] <lickalott> not sure if it's in the repos
[04:55] <KI7MT> aberrant, first, I would write the file to a common area. The query should be user specific, and require a login or something to run it.
[04:55] <lickalott> think he meant -name aberrant
[04:55] <Deloril> sorry, for say 'lukepearsons', save them in lukepearson.txt, and have only the user be able to read it
[04:56] <KI7MT> I would not write the file to a common area .. ..
[04:56] <aberrant> KI7MT: where would you write it?
[04:56] <aberrant> Deloril: how do you "have only the user be able to read it"? That's the crux of the issue.
[04:56] <KI7MT> aberrant, I would not write a file at all, there's no need, use a dynamic query based on the users login.
[04:57] <aberrant> KI7MT: no. Assume that's not an option - data must be extracted *and saved*. Again, this isn't my exact scenario, but that part is non-changeable.
[04:57] <lickalott> aberrant chmod 400 lukepearson.txt
[04:58] <Deloril> remember, completely new to linux, but for a quick solution, chown to the requestor? or possibly a fancy chmod
[04:58] <aberrant> lickalott: and it's owned by nobody:nobody. Now wwhat?
[04:58] <aberrant> Deloril: that's the problem. Chown can't be used by non-root users.
[04:58] <lickalott> now we're getting somewhere....
[04:58] <Deloril> aha
[04:58] <Deloril> can your requestors sign into the system uniquely?
[04:58] <lickalott> so if nobody owns it, you're essentially trying to lock it down AFTER its written?
[04:59] <aberrant> Deloril: assume the students all have shell accounts and unique UIDs on the system.
[04:59] <Deloril> hrm
[04:59] <aberrant> lickalott: it's created nobody:nobody with perms 600 (due to nobody's umask).
[04:59] <aberrant> lickalott: it's already pretty well locked down when it's created.
[05:00] <KI7MT> Yeah, so much so no one else can view it.
[05:00] <lickalott> okay...can you give us a full scenario?  file is written > user1 logs in > ?
[05:00] <aberrant> KI7MT: exactly.
[05:00] <such_coins> [help] I'm having problems playing an online HTML5 <canvas> game. The screen seems to draw little bits at a time, making things jagged. When I'm moving, parts of walls can be a few pixels ahead of the rest of the walls. It's kind of like an old movie effect. This definitely is not supposed to happen. Can anyone help me?
[05:01] <Deloril> I dunno, the only other thought I have is to write the files as the students ID or something, then have a separate, elevated process that goes through and chmod's the file to that user with read perms. Dunno if that's something you want to set up though.
[05:01] <lickalott> also aberrant is this python AND apache?
[05:01] <aberrant> lickalott: file is written by a web process running as user nobody. The file contains grade data for students, all of whom have UIDs on the system. The goal is to write a grade report (.txt) for each student such that only that student has read permission to the file.
[05:01] <aberrant> lickalott: no. python, gunicorn, and nginx
[05:01] <aberrant> Deloril: that introduces a race condition.
[05:01] <Deloril> I think I'ma bow out at this point, its beyond me :)
[05:01] <lickalott> so each of the users have thier own homedir or space that only they can access?
[05:02] <lickalott> *so do
[05:02] <aberrant> lickalott: sure, why not.
[05:02] <KI7MT> aberrant, maybe a script / function, ran by sudo, can chown the file for each user name or something along those lines. But it seems whent eh file is generated that is the time to deal with the ownership issue.
[05:02] <KI7MT> when the file is ...
[05:03] <lickalott> is the file name the actual users name or do you have to rename it after creation aberrant?
[05:03] <aberrant> KI7MT: yeah, I'm gonna look at CAP_CHOWN :) There's gotta be a less kludgy way of doing this.
[05:03] <KI7MT> aberrant, alternatively, have an account for each user on the server, an place the files in the users /home
[05:03] <aberrant> lickalott: the file name is not related to the user's name.
[05:04] <aberrant> KI7MT: and how does user 'nobody' write to the user's home directory?
[05:04] <KI7MT> nobody can wire the file, and sudo can chown it to the user.
[05:04] <KI7MT> wite
[05:04] <lickalott> write
[05:04] <lickalott> ;P
[05:04] <aberrant> user nobody can't write to users' home dirs.
[05:04] <KI7MT> LOL yeah... right, write the file :-)
[05:04] <aberrant> they're all at most 755
[05:05] <lickalott> aberrant there are multiple files created (1 per student) right?
[05:05] <Deloril> My question is based on this article: http://askubuntu.com/questions/4872/bind-software-to-different-network-interfaces Over the XMas break, I've been given permission to tether my phone at work and run steam. The bottom answer seems to imply that through a fancy script I could add routes dynamically without knowing the IP address, eg, push all tra
[05:05] <aberrant> lickalott: yes
[05:05] <Deloril> ffic generated by steam through wlan0. I don't think this is accurate. Can someone shed some light on it for me please?
[05:06] <lickalott> how are you matching the file to the student?
[05:06] <KI7MT> aberrant, forgot about that. Without being in the scripts, im not gonna get a good solution this.
[05:06] <aberrant> KI7MT: yeah, it's a tough nut. I think re-enabling CAP_CHOWN is the way to go.
[05:07] <KI7MT> aberrant, seems to me the back end needs fixing, instead of putting the burden on the front end / user side.
[05:07] <aberrant> KI7MT: the only way to do that is to run the server process under privilege which is a security nightmare.
[05:07] <lickalott> one the people on my team is a kick ass programmer that does a lot of EC work for her college.  She's on vaca right now, but she'd love to dig into this for you.
[05:08] <lickalott> aberrant; how are you matching the file with the student?
[05:09] <aberrant> the student's username is retrieved via the query, and a get_pwnam('username').pw_uid is performed
[05:09] <lickalott> so the file name is something like 1003.txt or 1003.grades etc...?
[05:09] <aberrant> file name can be anything. it's grades.txt.
[05:09] <irreverant> So is there a way to become certified in Ubuntu like I was in Red Hat?
[05:10] <irreverant> and does the touch command work in ubuntu?
[05:10] <lickalott> yes irreverant
[05:10] <KI7MT> touch  == yes
[05:10] <irreverant> I know those are like pizza and peanut butter questions... but i needed to know.
[05:10] <irreverant> So both of your are saying yes to only the touch command?
[05:10] <irreverant> What about the certifications?
[05:11] <aberrant> touch works.
[05:11] <aberrant> Since  kernel  2.5.27,  capabilities  are  an optional kernel component, and can be enabled/disabled via the CONFIG_SECU‐
[05:11] <aberrant>        RITY_CAPABILITIES kernel configuration option.
[05:11] <aberrant> crap. I gotta rebuild the kernel.
[05:11] <aberrant> that's gonna take forever.
[05:11]  * genii sips and ponders peanut-butter pizza with anchovies
[05:11] <KI7MT> irreverant, http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntucert
[05:11] <lickalott> so aberrant.....  could you change the umask of nodody, let the script dump to a folder that only nobody has access to, run through the passwd file and match the uid to the username then dump the file into thier respective directories
[05:11] <irreverant> KI7MT thanks
[05:12]  * lickalott vomits @ genii's PB&A pizza
[05:12] <aberrant> lickalott: the user that dumps the file into the respective directories must have permission to those directories, which means either root, or equivalent.
[05:12] <lickalott> or you
[05:13] <lickalott> do you have full access to the server?
[05:13] <aberrant> eh. I'll just deal with a small race condition and hope nobody notices. :P
[05:13] <aberrant> lickalott: no.
[05:13] <irreverant> only thing is that links talks about the certification process in south africa that was started in 2006.
[05:13] <lickalott> whats your suspense on this aberrant
[05:13] <irreverant> not what and where i can get the cert.
[05:13] <lickalott> i wanna figure this out dangit
[05:13] <aberrant> lickalott: my suspense?
[05:13] <lickalott> irreverant, not do be a douche.....google it
[05:13] <aberrant> lickalott: it's insoluble at this point without user chown.
[05:13] <Beldar> irreverant, and with that certification you can do pro-bono development support like most of the rest.
[05:14] <irreverant> lickalott yeah i tried that... all roads lead to nowhere.
[05:14] <lickalott> suspense = timeline, when do you have to have this completed?
[05:14] <aberrant> ok, back to this. Thanks for the discussion, though.
[05:14] <irreverant> Beldar?
[05:14] <Deloril> irreverant http://www.lpi.org/linux-certifications
[05:14] <KI7MT> irreverant, contact: Canonical Ltd that's you best source of information.
[05:15] <irreverant> KI7MT yeah thats what i figured
[05:15] <lickalott> irreverant - my apologies.  peace offering - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EngineerCertification/CertObjectives
[05:16] <Beldar> somebody want to break the news of most developers in open source are not paid
[05:16] <Deloril> is there a better place I can go for the steam question?
[05:16] <lickalott> as a certified technician he could make out handsomely if a corp is running all ubuntu stuffs
[05:17] <kevin__> Steam is early days yet not sure how many can help other than the sites Steam recommends
[05:17] <lickalott> Deloril, repost now that everything has calmed down.  i remember something about 2 network interfaces
[05:17] <Deloril> My question is based on this article: http://askubuntu.com/questions/4872/bind-software-to-different-network-interfaces Over the XMas break, I've been given permission to tether my phone at work and run steam. The bottom answer seems to imply that through a fancy script I could add routes dynamically without knowing the IP address, eg, push all tra
[05:17] <Deloril> ffic generated by steam through wlan0. I don't think this is accurate (without knowing the steam IP addresses beforehand). Can someone shed some light on it for me please?
[05:17] <kevin__> Steam have stated its not for the rookie
[05:18] <genii> irreverant: http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntucert seems to indicate that LPIC-1 cert is acceptable
[05:18] <Deloril> basically, I want to push all IP traffic generated through steam out wlan0, and the rest out eth0. I dont think its possible without explicitely stating the steam IP addresses beforehand
[05:18] <lickalott> if you're tethering your phone, why are you even worried about network traffic through the internal interface?
[05:19] <Deloril> because I still need live access to the ticket queues, etc
[05:19] <Deloril> and they arent published externally
[05:19] <lickalott> i'm not a gamer...  steam ticket queues?
[05:20] <lickalott> sounds like an iptables thing.  or adding specific routes for traffic
[05:20] <Deloril> nono, internal tickets. I'm a field tech, people ring our service desk, log tickets, they get assigned to me. and my phone has a small data cap, so the less that goes out that interface, the better
[05:20] <lickalott> ahhhhh
[05:20] <Deloril> yea, my gut says get steams IP addresses, and explicitely route them. The bottom of that article seems to suggest it can be done dynamically, which doesnt sound right
[05:21] <lickalott> i'm kinda with you...only way this will work is to grab the steam IP
[05:21] <irreverant> anyone here have a LPIC cert? or other linux cert? and if so do you find it useful?
[05:21] <Deloril> I thought so, thanks lickalott
[05:22] <lickalott> you'd have to reverse all of that afterwards too. (from the article)  That would be a bit of a bear trying to remember all the stuff you did.
[05:23] <Deloril> yea, I understood it would just bork steam, which would be fine, as after xmas its nnot required anyway
[05:23] <irreverant> sudo apt-get update , updates all my repositories or just the packages in my system?
[05:23] <Deloril> linux doesnt have a fancy ip / port - application mapping mechanism, by chance?
[05:23] <irreverant> iptables
[05:23] <kevin__> I think you want to trim Steams endpoints and route them through a separate network adapter from the main aggregate
[05:23] <irreverant> will do that for you
[05:23] <irreverant> iptables and acl will give you what you need
[05:24] <lickalott> irreverant just whats on your system.  if you add a repo it will update from the new repo as well
[05:24] <Deloril> beautiful, thanks. Yea, kevin__, that's what I'm looking at.
[05:24] <Beldar> lickalott, If is a very special word, hehe
[05:24] <kevin__> tricky stuff lol
[05:24] <crazydiamond> Hi. Can anyone suggest best way to make 802.1x connection on Ubuntu?
[05:24] <KI7MT> irreverant, man apt-get ... has a good explanation between update and upgrade.
[05:25] <lickalott> sounded better when you said it kevin__... lol
 sounds like an iptables thing.  or adding specific routes for traffic
[05:25] <kevin__> lol
[05:25] <Deloril> yea, I suppose I could go the other way, mark all 10.0.0.0/8 traffic to go through eth0, then set wlan0 as the default interface, just worried about data consumption then
[05:25] <gdeeble> What's the best way to back up an exact clone of a raid1 installation in linux? I want to back up the unit so that when I swap what I'm currently running, I can come back, if I have failures or dislike it on my computer?
[05:25] <lickalott> crazydiamond, need to be a little more specific homey
[05:25] <Deloril> *default gateway
[05:26] <lickalott> gdeeble.  dd
[05:26] <kevin__> Good idea though
[05:26] <lickalott> i.e. dd if=/dev/sda of=/<mounted or external source>
[05:27] <gdeeble> lickalott - So I can dd to an image, and format and start over and if I want to come back I just dd if=img of=1 of the 2 drives and let the raid rebuild?
[05:27] <lilVaratep> anyone have a preferred vm for running ubuntu and why?
[05:27] <lickalott> dd if=/dev/<whatever you want of=/<external source>.image
[05:28] <Deloril> lolVaratep, you mean virtualisation platform?
[05:28] <gdeeble> It's a software raid1 as well, will that make any difference?
[05:28] <irreverant> vmware on a windows box
[05:28] <lilVaratep> using vmware right now to run os x mavericks
[05:28] <lickalott> shouldn't as long as you can access all the stuffs on it
[05:28] <lickalott> virtualbox lilVaratep
[05:28] <gdeeble> lickalott, Thank you.
[05:29] <Deloril> If you're running win8 pro, I'd say Hyper-V on windows. It has snapshotting built in. Unless it's just for a short time, in which case a trial of vmware workstation.
[05:29] <lickalott> less beefy than VMware and just as good imho
[05:29] <Deloril> can vbox snapshot?
[05:29] <lilVaratep> sadly i havent installed 8.1 yet =\ still on 7. looking to port to 8 pretty soon, though
[05:29] <irreverant> yes hyper V is actually really good
[05:29] <lilVaratep> VMWare can snapshot
[05:29] <Deloril> VMWare player can't though, can it?
[05:29] <lickalott> idk Deloril explain snapshot and I'll tell you....lol
[05:29] <lilVaratep> Deloril: yes, vmware can snapshot and sve to snapshots
[05:29] <Deloril> Hyper-V 3.0 is really good. Before that, I'd avoid it
[05:30] <irreverant> im thinking of dumping vmware for hyper v since server 2012 its getting a lot better and dont have as many licensing issues as you do with vmware
[05:30] <reazem> What happens if I have the sources of two distros? precise and w/e else, will APT take the latest version of software?
[05:30] <lickalott> like snapshot snapshot (screen captures)
[05:30] <xangua> reazem: you shouldn't mix repositories
[05:30] <lickalott> why would you do that reazem?
[05:30] <reazem> phpldapadmin isnt available in debian testing, only in stable.
[05:31] <reazem> my system is testing
[05:31] <xangua> reazem: this is #ubuntu , try #debian
[05:32] <lickalott> gdeeble, you can also segment the backup with dd if you want.  you can google that if you want to go that route.
[05:32] <reazem> xangua: Did you read my question? it has nothing to do with debian.
[05:32] <Deloril> lickalott, snapshotting is taking basically a point in time of a system, then being able to go back to it. So, snapshot, then format drive, then revert, it'll have the os still there. Great for testing.
[05:32] <lickalott> ahhhh
[05:32] <lilVaratep> snapshotting makes it so you don't even have to shut down
[05:32] <pieces029> does anyone know a command to keep an ssh connection always open?  Like even if it closes it will try to reconnect?
[05:32] <somsip> !info autossh | pieces029
[05:32] <irreverant> yes
[05:32] <lickalott> http://www.howtogeek.com/150258/how-to-save-time-by-using-snapshots-in-virtualbox/
[05:33] <Deloril> I can't find the option in VMWare player :(. Can anyone tell me where to find it?
[05:33] <irreverant> yes but there is a command to keep the tunnel open always
[05:33] <pieces029> somsip, ty
[05:33] <KI7MT> reazem, phpldapadmin in in Ubuntu, change over, problem solved. :-)
[05:33] <somsip> pieces029: so you just 'autossh {connection}' instead of 'ssh connection' and that's about it
[05:33] <irreverant> it forces the connection live always
[05:33] <reazem> KI7MT: It's in debian too. Wow you guys are lame
[05:33] <lickalott> whao
[05:34] <irreverant> pieces029 no theres another command for it
[05:34] <KI7MT> reazem, you said it wasn't in testing, not me.
[05:34] <lickalott> KI7MT, has helped more people in the last 8 hours than I'm sure (based on your attitude) you've helped your entire life.  Lame is not the word i would use to describe him
[05:34] <irreverant> snapshotting isnt anything new, its just like ghosting or imaging the system state of a machine and going live/prodcution off that image
[05:34] <Deloril> I'm going to have to hang out here more, I think. The conversation is excellent
[05:35] <pieces029> somsip, can I add the same params as normal?  Like ssh -R 9000:localhost:22 example.com becomes autossh -R 9000:localhost:22 example.com?
[05:35] <pieces029> and more importantly what's the best way to start at boot?  Upstart?
[05:35] <lickalott> lol @ Deloril
[05:36] <somsip> pieces029: yes, but you might need to check the params in man. I make plenty of use of .ssh/config and aliases myself
[05:36] <gdeeble> lickalott - Curiosity, if you do dd if=/dev/sda of=/img/backup.img is that going to do a full drive scan and the backup will be exact size of the drive or just the used space? I've never really used dd before.
[05:36] <pieces029> somsip, cool ty
[05:36] <irreverant> OpenSSH has an option called ServerAliveInterval which can be used to prevent the connection from being idle for too long (as a bonus, it will detect when the peer died sooner even if the connection is idle).
[05:36] <lickalott> the ENTIRE thing. it's a byte for byte copy.  you can dictate byte size if you want, but I usually leave it at default
[05:37] <lickalott> there are also options to make a bootable copy (-b) if you're interested in that
[05:37] <gdeeble> Ok. Makes sense now. So regardless that the drive only has 10GB used on a 250GB drive, it will make the backup as a 250GB image per say
[05:37] <irreverant> you can change the ServerAliveInterval for your ssh connection
[05:37] <[[thufir]]> has anyone built dogecoin client under Ubuntu?  I get compile errors about http://askubuntu.com/questions/393101/ Boost, but have the latest Boost installed.
[05:37] <lickalott> true gde33
[05:37] <lickalott> gdeeble
[05:37] <lickalott> sry
[05:38] <_nedr> hello.. i am trying to share my internet connection via adhoc by following these instructions.. http://askubuntu.com/questions/359856/ubuntu-13-10-share-wireless-internet-connection-through-ethernet
[05:38] <gdeeble> Awesome. Thanks for the information lickalott this should help.
[05:38] <_nedr> but still not working
[05:38] <irreverant> pieces029 does this help?
[05:38] <lickalott> np man.  good luck.
[05:38] <gdeeble> Thanks, I'm going to need it.
[05:39] <lickalott> on that note... i'm gonna go snuggle with my ol' lady
[05:39] <irreverant> _nedr: what are you trying to do, share your network connection - so your using one machine as a hub for a p2p connection?
[05:39] <lickalott> g'night fellers
[05:39] <pieces029> irreverant, I think so I would want that t be hi since I want the connect to always be on?
[05:39] <Deloril> have fun, and thanks for your help
[05:39] <irreverant> well youd have to play with the interval based on the firewall settings.
[05:39] <_nedr> irreverant, thanks for reply.. i have connected to internet via ehternet .. i am trying to share it via wifi
[05:40] <kriskropd> does anyone know where virtualbox stores the config that identifies the location of your stored vms for the virtualbox gui
[05:40] <_nedr> irreverant, where are these interval settings
[05:40] <somsip> kriskropd: try ~/.Virtualbox
[05:40] <kriskropd> planning on moving a bunch of vms from one location to another and would like to find this file
[05:40] <irreverant> http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/ssh-tunneling-poor-techies-vpn
[05:40] <irreverant> http://superuser.com/questions/37738/how-to-reliably-keep-an-ssh-tunnel-open
[05:40] <irreverant> these two sites will be very useful to you.
[05:40] <KI7MT> gdeeble, here's a couple good links dd= allto fo good background info: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/learn-the-dd-command-362506/  and http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2010/10/dd-command-examples/
[05:41] <_nedr> irreverant,  are you saying to me?
[05:41] <kriskropd> somsip: doh - i had a find running on my home directory and its been hanging <_< i thought it would be in .config somewhere - thanks, and I'm slightly sorry for asking something so silly now that I know where it is
[05:41] <irreverant> _nedr: no the firewall comment was directed to pieces029
[05:41] <somsip> kriskropd: np :)
[05:41] <_nedr> oh ok sorry
[05:41] <irreverant> _nedr im looking up your information now
[05:42] <munz> _nedr: u checked in .virtualbox?
[05:42] <irreverant> _nedr: you just need to change the status of the wireless interface to bridge mode.
[05:42] <_nedr> munz.. .virtualbox? i think that is someone elses question..
[05:43] <munz> wow, sorry
[05:43] <pieces029> irreverant, ty
[05:43] <TripleX> Whatttts up everyone!
[05:43] <irreverant> and configure it with the settings of the lan interface, this way you will bridge the connection from lan to wlan and use the interface as an access point.
[05:44] <KI7MT> TripleX, Nada .. hows you ?
[05:44] <TripleX> KI7MT: Kicking butt. Playing some Walking Dead and loving my Lubuntu dual boot. its everything I wanted :)
[05:44] <_nedr> irreverant .. thanks for info.... Funny why this is not mentioned in the askubuntu answer
[05:45] <TripleX> KI7MT: You doing anything special?
[05:45] <Deloril> crazy question guys, where does my sysadmin hide our gotoassist cert?
[05:45] <KI7MT> TripleX, watching MB3 and sorting out issues here, is about it.
[05:45] <TripleX> KI7MT: Nice, nice.
[05:47] <_nedr> oh he is gone..
[05:48] <TripleX> Anyone have a sweet guide on how to use curl and wget?
[05:48] <TripleX> If not, that
[05:49] <TripleX> that's fine, just was curious.
[05:49] <_nedr> does anyone know how to  change status of the wireless interface to bridge mode.
[05:53] <samsee4> K17MT thx for sudo sh -x  /etc/init.d/some-script  start.  not quite sure what it does yet but it gave me plenty of output to diagnose the problem
[06:08] <isosceles> GIMP 2.8.6 will not remain running in ubuntu 13.10. it closes after a minute or two of use. any ideas?
[06:11] <lilVaratep> how much should i put as max disk size for ubuntu (how much will I need)?
[06:11] <lilVaratep> just trying to learn linux commands and probably have fun with it
[06:11] <lilVaratep> as in have fun with ubuntu
[06:11] <Beldar> lilVaratep, Disc size, how are you installing?
[06:12] <lilVaratep> Beldar: vmware create new virtual disk
[06:12] <Beldar> lilVaratep, minimum is about 4.5 gigs so choose what you think works for you.
[06:15] <_nedr> hello.. i am trying to share my internet connection via adhoc by following these instructions.. http://askubuntu.com/questions/359856/ubuntu-13-10-share-wireless-internet-connection-through-ethernet
[06:15] <_nedr> but still not working
[06:16] <KI7MT> lilVaratep, My test setup, 1000 MB /boot /swap = 2x my RAM /roo 8000MB ... small fast and I can get 8 or 9 distros on a single 1TB drive.
[06:17] <lilVaratep> should i split virtual disk into multiple files or store as a single file?
[06:17] <Apollo> i think 1 file
[06:18] <KI7MT> lilVaratep, for VM's just a single and I select expand as needed.
[06:19] <everestt> [Font Problem | Ubuntu 13.04] I've been living with this problem for many months now... take a look at this screenshot http://i.imgur.com/tqV4rfx.png ...changing my font to webdings works just fine, but if I select FontAwesome all I get the plain old english characters instead of the graphical characters. Any potential solutions? Help!!! :)
[06:19] <lilVaratep> hmm
[06:20] <everestt> ..the problem isn't any application specific... same problem in Libreoffice, Inkscape, you-name-it.
[06:24] <Beldar> everestt, when and where was the first font change?
[06:24] <Beldar> that you did
[06:24] <everestt> Beldar, let me post another screenshot?
[06:25] <Beldar> Beldar, No the question is when did you first change fonts, and where on the OS?
[06:26] <Beldar> everestt, did you add another library at some point ans change the systems fonts?
[06:26] <everestt> Beldar, add another library?? What does that mean?
[06:26] <everestt> I don't think so... not that I know about.
[06:27] <FireStorms> Does a ubuntu allow alt codes for an account password?
[06:27] <everestt> I just copied all the new fonts into ~/.fonts ...they showed up in Libreoffice... I go to change... but no changing!
[06:27] <everestt> ^ Beldar
[06:27] <everestt> Beldar, what do you mean by "add another library"??
[06:28] <Beldar> everestt, there are sets of fonts or single fonts in the repos.
[06:28] <Beldar> you can add
[06:29] <everestt> Beldar, but how does adding more fonts mess up other 'unrelated' fonts?
[06:30] <FireStorms> Does ubuntu allow alt code in password?
[06:30] <Beldar> everestt, It is getting the details of what you have done and when that I'm looking for. For example you say new fonts what does that mean?
[06:31] <everestt> Beldar, I mean I go to www.1001freefonts.com, download some free fonts, extract the zip file, copy .ttf into ~/.fonts
[06:31] <Guest91429> i think is easier download fonts zip and drag and drop to .fonts folder
[06:32] <Guest91429> then open unity tweak tool and select new font
[06:32] <everestt> Beldar, all of these fonts in ~/.fonts show up in Libreoffice font dropdown, but when I select them some of them work, while others don't.
[06:32] <Beldar> everestt, That is my point you will need to track back what you have done I suspect, I'm not really up on this without googling and it is pretty basic stuff I suspect the correct stuff in the correct place is all.
[06:34] <lilVaratep> im trying to install ubuntu on my vm
[06:34] <lilVaratep> its asking if i should erase disk and install ubuntu
[06:34] <lilVaratep> is this safe?
[06:35] <jon__> can someone please help me with an issue?
[06:35] <FireStorms> Guys what other symbols look similar to ∞ infinity symbol. OO oo ~ surely alt codes aren't allowed in passwords?
[06:36] <KI7MT> !ask | jon__
[06:36] <everestt> Beldar, hmm ok... I cannot remember ever messing with my fonts... all I do is install new fonts and remove them by copying .ttf files manually... so I'm pretty sure I didn't create the problem. Thanks though! :)
[06:37] <lilVaratep> how should i set up my ubuntu partitions on 20gb vm?
[06:37] <everestt> Beldar, fonts work in my 13.10 live usb though.... but I didn't want to upgrade to 13.10 just yet, if I could just solve this freakin' font problem.
[06:37] <jon__> can some tell me y when i click on available devices and i choose to open a drive using dolphin it opens up gimp instead of the drive in dolphin???
[06:39] <KI7MT> lilVaratep, if this is just for testing / playing around, just let the Ubuntu Installer use the either disk (vm disk).
[06:40] <KI7MT> entire disk
[06:43] <Guest91429> everestt download new font right click on font tt file and open with font viewer then install
[06:44] <jon__> can some tell me y when i click on available devices and i choose to open a drive using dolphin it opens up gimp instead of the drive in dolphin???
[06:46] <everestt> Guest91429, doesn't work... btw where does Font Viewer copy the .ttf file?
[06:46] <lilVaratep> how much ram is really needed to run ubuntu decently fast? 2gb?
[06:48] <KI7MT> lilVaratep,
[06:48] <KI7MT> lilVaratep, for a normal Ubuntu Desktop 2gb should be plenty.
[06:54] <pr0f1t> всем привет
[06:55] <Deloril> sorry guys, noob moment. How do I use IPtables and route to view an application trying to make a connection? Is there a log file?
[06:55] <Deloril> or, more specifically, an outbound connection attempt on a given port number
[06:55] <Deloril> or all outbound connection attempts
[06:56] <lapion> Hello, is there any repository for checksums to run checksums agai?
[06:56] <lapion> +nst?
[06:56] <Guest91429> it says at top right of font viewer '' install ' just click on it
[06:57] <pr0f1t> i have a problem ssh : Permission denied (publickey,gssapi-with-mic),
[06:57] <Guest91429> then you go to unity tweak tool and select that new font
[06:57] <Guest91429> i just did it works
[06:57] <lapion> and any debsum variant that can check using checksums from that server ?
[07:00] <KI7MT> pr0f1t, You need to specify the coorect key pair and user name for the account your trying to connect too: ssh -i [full path to key-pair file] somebody@[Some host  or IP address]
[07:01] <everestt> Guest91429, the fonts are already installed... the problem is the fonts contain graphical characters/shapes (dingbats) but selecting the font shows english characters.
[07:04] <aisyah> hello
[07:06] <pr0f1t> keys on both computers (pc and pc2) are present, have the right to 600, and the folder. ssh 700. Configuration files on the same pc and pc2. With pc pc2 to connect without problems and with pc2 to pc cant
[07:07] <pr0f1t> KI7MT: I still get this error =( it generally means? (publickey,gssapi-with-mic)
[07:08] <KI7MT> pr0f1t, is this error from pc2 to pc  or pc to pc2?
[07:09] <pr0f1t> KI7MT: pc2 to pc
[07:10] <KI7MT> pr0f1t, on PC1 .. ssh-copy-id <username>@<host> where <host> is the IP address of PC
[07:10] <KI7MT> SRI on PC2 not PC1
[07:10] <everestt> :)
[07:10] <beak> What is the command to clean up the system
[07:11] <Guest38282> ok
[07:11] <beak> I have some programs that do not work, like streamtuner2, so is there a command that removes system clutter and checks dependencies and all that
[07:12] <Guest38282> i wan to raise a ticket on ubuntu...
[07:12] <Guest38282> please tell me the link to login
[07:12] <Guest38282> or steps to raise the ticket !
[07:12] <KI7MT> beak, sudo apt-get purger <package-name> then sudo apt-get autoremove
[07:13] <beak> KI7MT, Can you explain that?
[07:13] <KI7MT> .. sudo apt-get purge <package-name>
[07:13] <beak> KI7MT, You mean remove and then reinstall?
[07:13] <beak> If so, I did that
[07:14] <KI7MT> beak, First, remove the package's you want: sudo apt-get purge some-package-name  .. then clean the system up with .. sudo apt-get autoremove
[07:15] <Guest38282> i have mail ID etc...please tell me how can i raise a ticket for support !
[07:15] <KI7MT> beak, for more information type: man apt-get  .. that will explain things in detail.
[07:15] <beak> KI7MT, and this will fix streamtuner2?
[07:15] <jon__> can some tell me y when i click on available devices and i choose to open a drive using dolphin it opens up gimp instead of the drive in dolphin???
[07:16] <jon__> can someone please help???
[07:16] <lilVaratep> ubuntu in vmware is detecting my host as 2560x1600...
[07:16] <lilVaratep> and its super small
[07:16] <KI7MT> beak, I have not idea if it will fix it or not, but it will remove the package you state, then clean the system up.
[07:16] <Guest38282>  can someone please help???
[07:17] <jon__> can some tell me y when i click on available devices and i choose to open a drive using dolphin it opens up gimp instead of the drive in dolphin???
[07:17] <KI7MT> Guest38282, Who is the email ID account with ?
[07:17] <Iota-Spencer> once is enough
[07:17] <Guest38282> i have canonical account
[07:17] <Guest38282> we purchased the support
[07:17] <beak> KI7MT, Now I reinstall streamtuner2?
[07:18] <KI7MT>  !patience | jon__
[07:18] <Guest38282> and i got a mail from support@canonical.com
[07:18] <KI7MT> beak, that's up to you ..
[07:19] <pr0f1t> KI7MT: pl7ofit@pl7ofit-pc:~$ ssh-copy-id 10.42.0.2
[07:19] <pr0f1t> /usr/bin/ssh-copy-id: INFO: attempting to log in with the new key(s), to filter out any that are already installed
[07:19] <pr0f1t> /usr/bin/ssh-copy-id: WARNING: All keys were skipped because they already exist on the remote system.
[07:19] <pr0f1t> ssh-copy-id pl7ofit-pc2@10.42.0.2
[07:19] <pr0f1t> /usr/bin/ssh-copy-id: INFO: attempting to log in with the new key(s), to filter out any that are already installed
[07:19] <pr0f1t> /usr/bin/ssh-copy-id: INFO: 1 key(s) remain to be installed -- if you are prompted now it is to install the new keys
[07:19] <beak> KI7MT, Bah, streamtuner2 is still not working
[07:19] <pr0f1t> Permission denied (publickey,gssapi-keyex,gssapi-with-mic).
[07:19] <pr0f1t> KI7MT: pl7ofit@pl7ofit-pc:~$ ssh-copy-id 10.42.0.2
[07:20] <pr0f1t> /usr/bin/ssh-copy-id: INFO: attempting to log in with the new key(s), to filter out any that are already installed
[07:20] <KI7MT> beak, you may want to read this first: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/streamtuner2-internet-radio-browser.html#more-6722
[07:20] <pr0f1t> /usr/bin/ssh-copy-id: WARNING: All keys were skipped because they already exist on the remote system.
[07:20] <pr0f1t> ssh-copy-id pl7ofit-pc2@10.42.0.2
[07:20] <pr0f1t> /usr/bin/ssh-copy-id: INFO: attempting to log in with the new key(s), to filter out any that are already installed
[07:20] <pr0f1t> /usr/bin/ssh-copy-id: INFO: 1 key(s) remain to be installed -- if you are prompted now it is to install the new keys
[07:20] <pr0f1t> Permission denied (publickey,gssapi-keyex,gssapi-with-mic).
[07:20] <pr0f1t> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6604067/
[07:21] <beak> KI7MT, It used to work, but it stopped
[07:21] <beak> Ahh well.
[07:21] <[[thufir]]> how do I install berkeleyDB from apt?  https://forums.oracle.com/thread/1160654     there many results in apt-cache search
[07:22] <KI7MT> pr0f1t, I would log into PC and clear out all authorise keys in ~/.ssh/authorized-keys file, then upload you key again./
[07:22] <pr0f1t> KI7MT: ok..
[07:23] <KI7MT> pr0f1t, also on PC2, before you send the ID to PC. so: ssh-add
[07:23] <KI7MT> so: ssh-add .. then  ssh-copy-id pl7ofit-pc2@10.42.0.2
[07:23] <[[thufir]]> how do I install E: Unable to locate package libdb-devel     I think this is what I need for berkleyDB
[07:24] <Guest38282> please !
[07:24] <pr0f1t> KI7MT: even walk the dog, come and got this ssh: D
[07:25] <KI7MT> Guest38282, You should contact them directly about the problem your having.
[07:25] <Guest38282> how can i contact ? is there a contact no ? i am from India...
[07:25] <Gr1m>  Pip does not seem to get the latest version of SQLAlchemy. Is there a way to fix this ?
[07:26] <Guest38282> what is the INdia no, thats i am asking !!!
[07:27] <KI7MT> pr0f1t, This is a good explination, see answer with 46 votes: http://askubuntu.com/questions/46930/how-can-i-set-up-password-less-ssh-login
[07:29] <KI7MT> Guest38282, here's is the only contact info I know, maybe others can help: http://www.ubuntu.com/about/contact-us
[07:32] <KI7MT> [[thufir]], you want the Berkley DB installed is the right?
[07:32] <[[thufir]]> KI7MT: I htink so.
[07:32] <guzzlefry> hello
[07:32] <guzzlefry> It looks like Ubuntu Software Center locked up while installing a package.
[07:33] <guzzlefry> What's the proper procedure to safety handle this?
[07:33] <KI7MT> [[thufir]], what is it your trying to do, the berkley db is libdb5.1 and libdb-dev
[07:34] <[[thufir]]> KI7MT: they're documentation sucks.  I mean, would it be so hard tojust specify what packages to install??     I think it installed the CLI.  I'm not sure how to work the CLI dogecoin (bitcoin) client, so I'll try to install the QT version now. compile, I mean.  what is necessary for QT?       https://github.com/dogecoin/dogecoin   is what I'm working on.
[07:34] <KI7MT> [[thufir]], there's also versions / support for Java, C++, MySQL, etc.
[07:35] <[[thufir]]> KI7MT: lol.  for dogecoin?  and miss the fun of compiling?  ok, you have a link?  or just google?
[07:35] <guzzlefry> If I kill Ubuntu Software Center after it freezes while installing a program, will things likely break?
[07:35] <KI7MT> [[thufir]], sri mate, I know knowthign about bitcoing and how it's installed or managed.
[07:36] <[[thufir]]> no worries.  for QT, I can install that from apt?
[07:37] <guzzlefry> meh, guess I'm killing it anyway.
[07:37] <KI7MT> [[thufir]], yes, Qt is straight forward, Qt4 is via the repos,. Qt5 is via PPA I think
[07:38] <guzzlefry> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[07:38] <guzzlefry> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[07:38] <guzzlefry> How do I fix that?
[07:40] <kry> Hallo
[07:41] <KI7MT> guzzlefry, make sure you do not have apt-get running, or anothe version of Software center running, reboot is necessary.
[07:41] <guzzlefry> KI7MT: I ended up removing the lock.
[07:41] <shafox> i have installed vim from the source. it resides in opt/viml/ folder. i can open up vim as normal user but i cant with sudo. while using sudo vim filename it says vim command not found
[07:41] <guzzlefry> software center has a knack for locking up...
[07:42] <KI7MT> guzzlefry, the lock is there for a reason, probably a hung app or something
[07:42] <kry> I can't get a new hard disk working, I've already formatted it and addet to fstab, but it says wrong filesystem (I formatted it as ext4), wrong switch, wrong superblock
[07:43] <somsip> kry: paste your fstab using pastebin
[07:43] <kriskropd> I'm waiting for #mono to get back to me (slow) so I though I would ask in here too - I'm trying to build a project with mono. I run the .sln file through xbuild and seem to be missing two liberaries. Does anyone here know how I can get 'HtmlAgilityPack' and 'System.Deployment' for mono in ubuntu?
[07:43] <kriskropd> thought*
[07:43] <somsip> shafox: sounds like a path issue. How are you running it as sudo? What command line?
[07:44] <lilVaratep> ubuntu in vmware keeps going back to 2560 x 1600 resolution... any way to fix?
[07:44] <shafox> somsip, bash, i am running as "sudo vim filename" then it generates the command not found erro
[07:44] <lilVaratep> i used specify settings to 1920 x 1080 and doesnt work. also tried using host settings and ddint work
[07:44] <Deloril> heya folks,. does anyone have a brilliantly simple way of monitoring outbound connection attempts on a given port?
[07:44] <somsip> shafox: where is the binary for vim? Is it in /opt/viml? Is that in $PATH for root?
[07:45] <KI7MT> shafox, does vim run if you use the full path: sudo /opt/viml/vim ?
[07:45] <kry> sorry, I accidently written ext44 for file system
[07:45] <kry> now it works xD
[07:45] <KI7MT> :-) that would do it
[07:45] <somsip> kry: yeah. Doing it right always helps ;-)
[07:45] <shafox> KI7MT, yes if i type sudo /opt/viml/bin/vim it works.
[07:46] <somsip> shafox: so it's a pth issue...
[07:46] <somsip> *path
[07:46] <shafox> somsip, where can i set the root path ??
[07:46] <shafox> tried bash.bashrc in etc/ dir but no good
[07:46] <somsip> shafox: in root's .bashrc I would think. But better to add a vim alternative or a symlink in /usr/bin to /opt/viml/vim (or whatever)
[07:47] <KI7MT> shafox, add  /opt/viml/bin/vim to your env $PATH and all shoudl eb good.
[07:47] <shafox> somsip, where to crete root .bashrc file ?
[07:47] <hellyeah> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[07:47] <hellyeah> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[07:47] <shafox> KI7MT, i have already added to my user path
[07:47] <somsip> shafox: in root's home, but I don't think that is the best solution.
[07:47] <hellyeah> what was the lock file of dpkg
[07:47] <hellyeah> rm -rf blah
[07:48] <helmut_> hi
[07:48] <somsip> helmut_: what command are you running that gives that output?
[07:48] <KI7MT> shafox, but sudo does not have nor use your user path
[07:48] <somsip> !find remoteip.load
[07:49] <shafox> somsip, symlink as in sudo vim > sudo /opt/viml/vim and create a symlink file in /usr/bin or /home/user/bin/vim to pint at ?
[07:49] <hellyeah> damn i removd lock file
[07:49] <hellyeah> still got same error
[07:49] <KI7MT> shafox, add that to /etc/enviroment and source the sile as sudo
[07:49] <KI7MT> source the file .. ..
[07:50] <somsip> shafox: sudo ln -s /opt/viml/vim /usr/bin/vim *but* this will overwrite the existing symlink which I think will point to something like /etc/alaternatives/vim
[07:50] <KI7MT> ln -s works too
[07:50] <somsip> shafox: so it may be tidier to add the correct entry in /etc/alternatives/vim
[07:50] <somsip> shafox: because that's what you are doing - adding an alternative to vim. And that will probably be more upgrade safe
[07:51] <KI7MT> shafox, just curious., why not use the repo version of vim ?
[07:51] <somsip> I say "probably: with very little evidence that this is the case. It just seems that way
[07:51] <shafox> KI7MT, some plugins require the upgraded version
[07:51] <KI7MT> shafox, ok
[07:52] <[[thufir]]> I have held or broken packages:  http://pastebin.com/rk4S3UE2   now, I've already done clean and update
[07:52] <shafox> KI7MT, now the sudo source command not working.
[07:53] <lilVaratep> vmware is detecting wrong resolutions in my ubuntu... detecting i have some weird ration 2560x1600 when im only at 1920x1080
[07:53] <lilVaratep> i tried to change it in xrandr and 1920x1080 doesnt show up
[07:53] <lilVaratep> any help?
[07:53] <KI7MT> shafox, sourse without sudo
[07:54] <shafox> ok..
[07:54] <shafox> Its better to create one symlink i guess
[07:55] <holden_wang> tried an upgrade from 13.04 to 13.10 with usb stick. Getting a blinking cursor on boot up, no x. tried to edit the GRUB entry to add nomodeset, got artifacts (horizontal lines). have one of those annoying switching ati-cards. what should I try next?
[07:55] <KI7MT> shafox, the correct way to do all this can be found here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnvironmentVariables
[07:57] <guzzlefry> Has anyone here installed Redmine using apt-get?
[07:57] <KI7MT> shafox, Anything I compile, I put is /home/<username>/bin that way I just add that to my .bashrc and all is good, but everyone has their own way od doing things.
[07:57] <somsip> shafox: I am intrigued though. which plugin needs the new version?
[07:57] <shafox> youcompleteme
[07:57] <guzzlefry> This how-to says to use the password set during configuration, but I don't recall doing that.
[07:58] <somsip> shafox: I had that working with...7.1 from 12.04 I think
[07:58] <somsip> no, 7.3
[07:58] <shafox> KI7MT, I have installed python3.3.3 and set the installed dir to /opt/python33/ and created one /home/username/bin/py
[07:58] <shafox> but still i cant do sudo py
[07:58] <shafox> somsip, no 7.3.patchnumber
[07:58] <shafox> that patchnumber is not still up yet i gues
[07:59] <somsip> shafox: ah - fair enough. Github page does say you may need to compile.
[08:00] <somsip> !info vim.nox
[08:00] <KI7MT> shafox, I must admit, I dont  have allot of apps that require sudo that I custom compiled, most if not all are user apps.
[08:00] <somsip> shafox: so did you try alt versions of vim. Looks like vim.nox is at 7.4 (do you use saucy?)
[08:00] <shafox> somsip, no i use precise. it was preinstalled in my dell box
[08:00] <g3ky> Hi, Could someone tell me what the command to this window is --> http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4049/4237371436_996be37078_o.png ?
[08:01] <somsip> shafox: fair enough again then. I'm on 12.04 and it is 7.3.429
[08:01] <shafox> KI7MT, but still i do have to do some work with sudo in python . so i cant do that also..
[08:01] <KI7MT> shafox, an option may be to use /usr/local as the install, as that's in the /etc/evn file already.
[08:01] <shafox> same here somsip thats why compiled.
[08:01] <somsip> shafox: kk. Just trying to help but clearly you've done your research. No offense intended
[08:02] <shafox> somsip, alrite.
[08:03] <shafox> KI7MT, i thought it was opt dir you can install what you are compiling
[08:03] <shafox> :(
[08:03] <antimatroid> is there an environment for ubuntu 12.10 which will get me back to http://ubuntuguide.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/panel_icon_applet.png that type of environment?
[08:04] <KI7MT> shafox, think I found the issue
[08:04] <antimatroid> i dislike docks very much
[08:04] <KI7MT> shafox, try using sudo su .. .. ..
[08:04] <shafox> yes KI7MT
[08:04] <antimatroid> or rather, really like one-click access to my open windows
[08:04] <KI7MT> as in: sudo su /opt/path to binary
[08:04] <Romance> antimatroid: you can change it on your login screen
[08:05] <Romance> antimatroid: there are gnome classic, gnome 2d, etc
[08:05] <antimatroid> which one is the one I linked?
[08:05] <Romance> antimatroid: i dont really know, try each of em
[08:06] <shafox> KI7MT, as I said, If i provide full path it works in sudo, sudo su, normal user also.
[08:07] <KI7MT> shafox, My bad, I thought it did not work with sudo at all .. well in that case, add your /opt path to /etc/enviroment file and sudo su vim should work
[08:08] <somsip> KI7MT: /opt can be a bit big for adding to a path in its entirety...
[08:08] <KI7MT> shafox, for more info see: man sudoers [env_reset]
[08:08] <somsip> KI7MT: lots of stuff could end up in there...
[08:09] <KI7MT> somsip, you dont have to put /opt  drill down to what you want say .. /opt/bin/
[08:09] <shafox> not gonna add whole /opt dir gonna add only what i require i guess .
[08:09] <pascal_> hello
[08:10] <antimatroid> there are no other themes installed by default and i don't know which one would give what I want?
[08:10] <KI7MT> shafox, somsip Im not saying add just /opt .. I dont know your install paths for vim .. or I would have said, add that
[08:10] <pascal_> french keyboard ubuntu 13.10 problem about the oe we can't have the same as æ it does ø
[08:10] <somsip> KI7MT: indeed - your clarification is what was needed :) Though I still maintain a symlink can do the job...
[08:11] <shafox> a sudo example on the symlink somsip
[08:11] <pascal_> someone will correct ?
[08:11] <somsip> shafox: sudo ln -s /opt/viml/vim /usr/bin/vim (but I did this earlier and explained about /etc/alternatives too)
[08:12] <shafox> sorry i missed that
[08:12] <somsip> shafox: do ls -la /etc/alternatives vi* and you will see what I mean
[08:12] <pascal_> shafox i count on you
[08:12] <shafox> pascal_, its frech. sorry no idea.
[08:12] <pascal_> i hope you will help us
[08:13] <somsip> shafox: I don't know if this is a better way and am not trying to one-up on KI7MT, but it's a different way
[08:13] <pascal_> anyway that's new, no pb with ubuntu 12.04
[08:13] <shafox> and i am more like a web dev guy
[08:13] <pascal_> ok
[08:13] <KI7MT> shafox, somsip Here's what I'm talking about exactly with env_reset, see the first answer: http://askubuntu.com/questions/128413/setting-the-path-so-it-applies-to-all-users-including-root-sudo
[08:14] <shafox> KI7MT, ohh gotcha
[08:14] <somsip> KI7MT: I know what you mean, it's just I prefer to keep PATH to the minimum and create symlinks out from the PATH to other executables. Like I say, maybe no better and now worse. Just different
[08:14] <KI7MT> somsip, Im all for what works, don't care who or how :-)
[08:14] <shafox> lol
[08:14] <somsip> KI7MT: you come across as reasonable - it's all good :)
[08:14] <shafox> :)p
[08:15] <somsip> shafox: so....the choice is YOURS!
[08:15] <shafox> somsip, KI7MT :: Its like a blue pill or red pill situation ?
[08:15] <somsip> shafox: nah - more like a blue pill and a slightly different shade of blue pill
[08:15] <shafox> aye
[08:16] <KI7MT> shafox, Blue and Green .. Bourne Story all over again :-)
[08:17] <shafox> KI7MT, naice.
[08:18] <KI7MT> shafox, Bottom line is, how ever you want to set things up is the right way, but if you use path vars, be aware of the sudo su situation, then all is good.
[08:18] <shafox> yeah still thinking which way to go
[08:20] <LeMike> Can someone tell me how high the second number of this can go? `head -c1 /dev/random | od`
[08:23] <KI7MT> shafox, somsip the sudo guru's say to use: sudo -E su to preserve normal $PATH that normal users get.
[08:23] <shafox> ahh
[08:23] <KI7MT> shafox, I'd really have a look at /usr/local and see if that's a better fit for your sudo needs as well.
[08:25] <shafox> KI7MT, on another note: where does binary goes, i installed elasticsearch and while doing which elasticsearch it gives nothing but when i do sudo service elasticsearch start it starts and also have the runninng confirmed that its running
[08:25] <KI7MT> shafox, surely you can pass  ./configure --prefix=/usr/local  then make && make install
[08:26] <KI7MT> shafox, One app you want to use is "checkinstall" as you can install and remove custom installs easily.
[08:26] <shafox> KI7MT, i have installed through a .deb file
[08:27] <KI7MT> shafox, check install does it all automatically, from sources.
[08:27] <shafox> ahh ok
[08:27] <KI7MT> shafox, so it's ./configure .. make .. make check .. checkinstall .. v.s. make install
[08:28] <shafox> KI7MT, well yeah but for compiling from sources not for the .deb packages
[08:28] <antimatroid> so nobody knows a way to make ubuntu look like maverick without being stuck with maverick (I tried that, got stuck with other out of date stuff)
[08:28] <KI7MT> shafox, what you mean .deb packages ?
[08:29] <shafox> KI7MT, https://download.elasticsearch.org/elasticsearch/elasticsearch/elasticsearch-0.90.8.deb
[08:29] <MindSpark> antimatroid: you can make any linux distribution look however you want
[08:29] <cfhowlett> antimatroid, install use ubuntu gnome for the old gnome look
[08:29] <KI7MT> shafox, like your VIM custom compile, down load the tar, build-dep .. tar -zxsf .. ./confgure && make && checkinstall .. done.
[08:30] <shafox> KI7MT, hm thanks :)
[08:31] <lewis1711> what should my next move be if "nomodeset" on boot doesn't give me a graphical environment? kind of lost
[08:31] <KI7MT> shafox, it builds a .deb file for you .. and manages the installs that way.
[08:31] <shafox> Yeah KI7MT reading the docs now.
[08:31] <KI7MT> lewis1711, what Ubuntu version you you trying to install ?
[08:31] <Viking667> I've got a wee ... problem.
[08:32] <cfhowlett> Viking667, there're pills for that ...
[08:32] <lewis1711> KI7MT: I ran an upgrade, 13.04 -> 13.10. 13.04 did boot up.
[08:32] <Viking667> I ran an update, but now the system doesn't have a linux kernel.
[08:32] <Viking667> cfhowlett: uhm, I've taken the red one alredy.
[08:32] <Viking667> was that bad? bbadadadadadada?
[08:32] <Viking667> hic
[08:32] <cfhowlett> Viking667, reboot, use an older ubuntu ... NO KERNEL?
[08:32] <Viking667> no kernel. Period.
[08:32] <Viking667> stuffed if I know how I broke it this bad...
[08:33] <Viking667> I'm currently over on a Fedora, looking at my Ubuntu system.
[08:33] <cfhowlett> Viking667, that doesn't even sound possible.  can you boot an older version of ubuntu
[08:33] <Viking667> nope.
[08:33] <Viking667> the update seems to have removed them all. Sigh.
[08:33] <pr0f1t> KI7MT: I solved my problem, thank you for helping me. Only that it was necessary to prescribe this command: ssh-add ~ / .ssh / id_rsa
[08:33] <cfhowlett> Viking667, how exactly did you "update"
[08:33] <KI7MT> lewis1711, Ahh ok .. double release-upgrades .. nto the best say to go, unless it's LTS to LTS .. my recommendation, maybe not like it, but if you want 13.10 .. do a fresh install.
[08:33] <Viking667> I ran do-update-release...
[08:33] <Viking667> or was it do-release-update
[08:34] <cfhowlett> Viking667, one more vote for downloading the ISO and doing the manual installation ...
[08:34] <lewis1711> KI7MT: yeah might be shorter in the long term. I'll try xforcevesa, and if that fails I'll just do a clean install.
[08:34] <KI7MT> pr0f1t, Cool glad you got it fixed.
[08:34] <Viking667> ugh. Already wasted 981Mb upgrading TO 13.04
[08:35] <Viking667> I did have another idea though, I'll root around under /var/cache/apt
[08:35] <cfhowlett> Viking667, is this a server or desktop?  and do you NEED 13.10?  LTS is still workinng, you know...
[08:35] <Viking667> desktop.
[08:36] <cfhowlett> Viking667, I'm surprised to hear the old kernels got deleted.  I thought old kernels weren't autozapped by design.
[08:36] <Viking667> I was upgrading to 13.10 from 12.10 via 13.04
[08:36] <Viking667> so far, I'm stuck on 13.04 without a kernel... hehehehe.
[08:36] <KI7MT> wow another 2 release upgrade .. these things never seem to go well.
[08:36] <cfhowlett> Viking667, .... torrent the 13.10 ISO, and install
[08:36] <Viking667> sigh.
[08:37] <Viking667> tanks.
[08:37] <KI7MT> Indeed
[08:37]  * Viking667 needs to deart.
[08:37] <Viking667> err, depart.
[08:38] <pr0f1t> KI7MT: It is a pity that I do not understand what you are saying, I have to use a translator, I only understand what you are talking about issues of Ubuntu. Personally for me Saucy Salamander immediately after installation - has a lot of bugs :D
[08:40] <KI7MT> pr0f1t, I should of had you ... cd ~/.ssh ... then ... ssd-add ...  I forgot ...  Yes 12.04 is most stable.
[08:40] <KI7MT> !ru > pr0f1t
[08:41] <pr0f1t> ubottu: thx =)
[08:42] <antimatroid> I'm a happy man
[08:42] <pr0f1t> lol
[08:43] <KI7MT> The Verve .. Happy Man :-)
[08:43] <KI7MT> Or is that Lucky Man :-)
[08:43] <somsip> KI7MT: Lucky :)
[08:44] <pr0f1t> KI7MT: I could not find ia32-libs in 12.04, 12.04 for me not too good release
[08:45] <ObrienDave> KI7MT, Lucky Man, Emerson, Lake and Palmer
[08:45] <KI7MT> pr0f1t, it is there .. sudo apt-get install ia32-libs ..
[08:46] <KI7MT> ObrienDave, ELP a bit before my days :-)
[08:46] <ObrienDave> not mine ;P
[08:47] <Ben64> !multiarch
[08:47] <Ben64> http://askubuntu.com/questions/107230/what-happened-to-the-ia32-libs-package
[08:48] <KI7MT> pr0f1t, apt-cache search ia32-libs ... ... ... ia32-libs - ia32 shared libraries - transitional package
[08:49] <pr0f1t> KI7MT: This package was before, but the last time I checked, it was not, and as dependent on him any skype, teamviwer and so I had to go to 13.04, but as his term comes to an end, I switched to 13.10, and then again I did not find ia32-libs = \ such cases
[08:49] <KI7MT> pr0f1t, Ok .. understand.
[08:51] <pr0f1t> Who knows how to make a static ip for ssh?
[08:52] <pascal_> ok my keyboard pb is solved
[08:53] <pascal_> new system new use
[08:53] <KI7MT> pr0f1t, http://www.ubuntugeek.com/step-by-step-ubuntu-13-10-saucy-salamander-lamp-server-setup.html
[08:53] <vocx> pr0f1t, a static IP is for your network card. Afterwards all programmes, including SSH, would use that IP address.
[08:54] <KI7MT> pr0f1t, Start at this section: sudo vi /etc/network/interfaces
[08:55] <antimatroid> now i can't see the buddy list in pidgin (in gnome classic), anyone got any idea why that would be?
[08:55] <KI7MT> pr0f1t, Basic Tutorial: http://www.howtoforge.com/linux-basics-set-a-static-ip-on-ubuntu
[08:55] <antimatroid> i tried uninstalling, cleaning, restarting and reinstalling
[08:56] <xh> antimatroid:maybe you have to restart your computer after uninstalling cleaning etc.
[08:57] <KI7MT> More like log out and log back in, doubt a reboot is needed.
[08:58] <pr0f1t> KI7MT:I edited /etc/network/interfaces, preserved, restart the service and why the session is restarted and could not start, I had it back, now I will try again)
[08:58] <antimatroid> xh: I did just that
[08:58] <KI7MT> pr0f1t, This one is easy to follow:  http://www.howtoforge.com/linux-basics-set-a-static-ip-on-ubuntu
[09:00] <xh> antimatroid, have you tried to delete the config file?
[09:00] <antimatroid> no
[09:04] <cmdd> hi um I am having trouble with a bcm4352 wifi adapter I get slow net working speeds & speedtest.net times out its that bad
[09:04] <somsip> !bcm | cmdd
[09:04] <xh> antimatroid1, ~/.config/pidgin may be the location of the config file.dont know exactly cause i use empathy
[09:07] <ste22x> hi all
[09:07] <Rory> Hello ste22x
[09:07] <ste22x> anyone help  with my alsa
[09:08] <ste22x> would like to have it play a few audio programs at a time
[09:08] <ste22x> seems to limit me to having only one open
[09:09] <cmdd> oh & grub has stopped working i have to use f9 to boot into ubuntu
[09:09] <antimatroid> same problem still, buddy list area is completely white
[09:09] <ste22x> use  skype  and hampshere  echolink  cq 100
[09:10] <ste22x> are there  any plugins  that would help
[09:12] <Rory> ste22x: You will need to use pulseaudio for that; what Ubuntu version are you using?
[09:13] <KI7MT> cmdd, a good place to start: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[09:13] <ste22x> lubunto 13.1
[09:14] <Rory> ste22x: I recommend asking in #lubuntu for lubuntu-specific help. Ubuntu ships PulseAudio by default and has done for a long time
[09:15] <ste22x> seems like  my software has both pulse audio and  alsa
[09:16] <Rory> ste22x: Still, the sound in Lubuntu is different from Ubuntu, and this is the Ubuntu support channel
[09:16] <ste22x> ok   thx  though
[09:18] <profit> KI7MT: And for ppp0 connect this way, too, can make a static ip? I think this is problematic because ppp0 connection I connect only after logging in, and ubuntu configures the bridge before the login ...
[09:19] <KI7MT> profit, I am not sure about ppp0 .. I hve not sued that is a very long time.
[09:21] <profit> KI7MT: i am oldfag
[09:21] <KI7MT> =) .. me too
[09:22] <profit> KI7MT: how old are you?
[09:22] <Ben64> #ubuntu-offtopic for non-support discussions :)
[09:23] <profit> Ben64: took the hint
[09:23] <KI7MT> profit, Old :-)
[09:25] <cristian_c> Hi
[09:26] <cristian_c> I've tried bustle-dbus-monitor and bustle
[09:26] <cristian_c> In the various tests I've done, I have not seen activity about mouse and keyboard connected
[09:26] <cristian_c> devices work but are not announced in bustle
[09:26] <cristian_c> at the same time, the only information shown by bustle are those related to applications
[09:26] <cristian_c> may be bustle is not the right program to detect the activity of the devices?
[09:27] <cristian_c> and if so, what is the right program to monitor this activity?
[09:27] <cristian_c> Any ideas?
[09:28] <profit> KI7MT: I was joking, I do not oldfaq, I'm 20 years old. I'm so honored that this method for my ppp0 connection is not working. I created just such a piece here pl7ofit.redirectme.to, this is my static ip address. If you scan the ports, you can see 22 ssh, but I can not connect
[09:29] <cmdd> hi guy's im having trouble with grub, it stop working  and boot's windows it usually happens when i boot from the cd or other device im runing 13.10.
[09:29] <KI7MT> profit, Im not sure how to fix that one.
[09:32] <Beldar> cmdd, This a dual boot with W8? Can you be clearer on the relation of the cd or other device boot and the problem.
[09:34] <[[thufir]]> I'm trying to compile doge wallet, but get uniform_int_distribution.hpp and yet, I seem to have everything installed as per  uniform_int_distribution.hpp .
[09:35] <[[thufir]]> I mean as instructions at http://b.agilob.net/such-address-many-dig-on-linux-wow/
[09:36] <cmdd> yes this is a dual boot with win 8.1 and it happens when i boot the Ubuntu cd
[09:37] <Beldar> cmdd, the grub boot of the install is not really related to booting a live cd, so not sure what you mean.
[09:41] <cmdd> when i have ubuntu installed on dual boot and i put in the cd to install ndis wrapper for example grub does not work anymore and i have to use f9 to boot ubuntu.
[09:41] <Beldar> cmdd, ndis wrapper for?
[09:41] <KI7MT> and why using the CD to install it ?
[09:42] <cmdd> wifi problems im having also.
[09:42] <tomreyn> hi, there, could someone help me get xfce4 / xubuntu to start up again? i'm on lightdm, login, the screen flashes, i get an empty desktop background, and that's it. no window manager, no panels.
[09:43] <cmdd> thats what i read to do.
[09:43] <[[thufir]]> I'm trying to compile doge wallet, but get an error about missing uniform_int_distribution.hpp and yet, I seem to have everything installed as per   http://b.agilob.net/such-address-many-dig-on-linux-wow/
[09:43] <mjayk> tomreyn: did you install xfce4 ontop of ubuntu (with unity) or straight from xubuntu ?
[09:43] <tomreyn> mjayk: on top, but i since removed unity + ubuntu-desktop
[09:44] <Beldar> cmdd, a ndis wrapper has nothing to do with grub, I suspect there is some sort of user error going on  here. Show a link to the ndis wrapper info your following.
[09:44] <tomreyn> what i did since xfce last worked was to install some updates (could get a list if needed), and, i assume that's more important, copied ~/.gconf/ from another computer
[09:44] <tomreyn> (but not ~/.gconfd)
[09:45] <tomreyn> i also rm -rf'd ~/.cache
[09:45] <KI7MT> Beldar, he also can't get his wifi working, and I suspect he's been told to modprobe ndiswrapper & the driver, thus the need for the cd.
[09:45] <mjayk> tomreyn: can you launch things from keyboard short cuts such as terminal? Im just wondering if your config has been buggered in some way and pannels removed
[09:46] <tomreyn> mjayk: no keyboard shortcuts dont seem to work
[09:46] <cmdd> yest ndis wrapper has nothing to with grub that's what i was using the cd for when grub stoped working.
[09:46] <mjayk> tomreyn: one sure way of fixing it would be to reinstall xfce4-desktop but there may be a simpler easier way that would keep your config im just not knowlageable enough to know it:D
[09:47] <tomreyn> mjayk: there used to be ~/.xsession-errors but this doesn't seem to be written to anymore, do you know where the desktop startup is logged to now?
[09:47] <Touhou11> Doge wallet is a real thing? I assumed it was just a joke
[09:47] <KI7MT> cmdd, you dont need the CD in the drive when you boot to use is, so that not an issue.
[09:48] <tomreyn> reinstalling xfce4-desktop won't help if the problem is the configuration in my /home, and i assume that's so
[09:48] <cmdd> sorry can repeat you that?
[09:48] <nnyk> Hi.
[09:48] <mjayk> tomreyn: if you do ps -e | grep xfce what outputs do you get /
[09:49] <andyfied> [[thufir]]: did you run that sed command?
[09:49] <andyfied> Touhou11: it is so real
[09:49] <KI7MT> cmdd, to install ndiswrapper, you do not have to have the CD in the drive when you boot you machine.
[09:49] <andyfied> Touhou11: terrifyingly real
[09:49] <nnyk> I'm currently connected to a remote server and i've copied something to the system clipboard from vim (remotely). How can i paste it to the command line?
[09:50] <Touhou11> nnyk: Ctrl + V
[09:51] <cmdd> ok but i did that & now grub stopped working and i have to use f9 to boot into it.
[09:51] <tomreyn> mjayk: none, i guess it's not running
[09:51] <mjayk> tomreyn: id guess so if you get no outputs
[09:51] <Beldar> cmdd, Did you set the cd as first read in the bios at some point and not change it back to the HD?
[09:52] <mjayk> tomreyn: have you tried forcing it to run
[09:52] <mjayk> to check its not a startup problem
[09:52] <tomreyn> mjayk: how would i do this?
[09:52] <nnyk> Touhou11: not working
[09:53] <tomreyn> mjayk: actually it is running, sorry, i had killed it when i tried last time
[09:53] <cmdd> no
[09:53] <tomreyn> i've got like 10 xfce4-... processes
[09:54] <mjayk> tomreyn: :-)
[09:54] <nnyk> Touhou11: damn, vim on the server doesnt have clipboard support.
[09:54] <tomreyn> mjayk: still doesn't come up though
[09:54] <nnyk> :-/
[09:54] <cmdd> its set to os boot manager.
[09:54] <nnyk> thanks anyway.
[09:55] <mjayk> tomreyn: is xfce-pannel there?
[09:55] <tomreyn> mjayk: yes
[09:56] <mjayk> tomreyn: that is weird so it appears to be running and should be displaying things
[09:56] <tomreyn> xfce4 session, panel, terminal, volumed, power-man, notifyd, 2x netload-p , xfce4-indicator
[09:56] <[[thufir]]> does this:  http://pastebin.com/yNEFjUfz  mean that the compile worked?  if so, what's the result?  what's the name of the file?
[09:57] <airtonix> i love it when i go to paste something into chrome and it just goes "Nope" and freezes. :<
[09:57] <mjayk> tomreyn: im kinda lost now maybe try kill the session and restart it but from what you said I would expect it to work sorry
[09:58] <Touhou11> airtonix: Probably because the software is busy forwarding your message to the NSA
[09:58] <airtonix> Touhou11: you mean i have to change my operating system again based on hearsay?
[09:58] <tomreyn> mjayk: thanks anyways :)
[09:58]  * airtonix rages
[09:58] <mjayk> tomreyn:  good luck
[09:59] <esse2k> ubuntu gnome 13.10 touchscreen buggy, anyone know this problem? was working in 13.04. now cant click top menu. clicking will just highlight the item
[09:59] <Touhou11> airtonix: Not your OS, just your browser. You're using a closed-source web browser written by the same company who granted the NSA direct access to all their servers. I wouldn't trust it
[09:59] <Blindie_> hello
[09:59] <ste22x> rory  are you still there
[09:59] <andyfied> [[thufir]]: i would call that success. i don't know what the files is though
[09:59] <Blindie_> is there a way tu use dolby digital live ore dts connect with ubuntu?
[10:00] <Blindie_> ore is there another way to get all surround channels over the spdif?
[10:00] <andyfied> [[thufir]]: it should be listed in the script maybe?
[10:00] <[[thufir]]> andyfied: thanks.  ok, that's the CLI for doge, so I'll try to use that.   http://askubuntu.com/questions/393386/dogecoin-wallet-client-dependencies-boost  for the GUI version.
[10:01] <[[thufir]]> andyfied: they're README is like "doge, dig,make much money"  LOL, documentation.
[10:01] <Beldar> Touhou11, This is ubuntu support not your soapbox.
[10:01] <Touhou11> Beldar: I don't use soap
[10:01] <macs> anyone here manage to get Flux running on 13.10
[10:01] <ste22x> hi  all  i have  lubuntu now   but could easily change to ubuntu
[10:02] <andyfied> [[thufir]]: haha, i know. i'm lucky mine worked with no errors.
[10:02] <ste22x> can you use multiple audio programs  at once   with ubuntu
[10:02] <Rory> ste22x: Yes
[10:02] <Beldar> Touhou11, we can go about this till your banned, your choice.
[10:03] <ste22x> ok great   if i install ubuntu   would i be able to having a few audio programs goin
[10:03] <ste22x> voip   ones
[10:03] <cfhowlett> ste22x, limited by your audio processor capability, but yes ...
[10:04] <andyfied> [[thufir]]: i'd invite you to my pool but the website is down
[10:04] <ste22x> u know i use  skype, hamsphere   echolink
[10:04] <ste22x> on  windows i can have a few  goin at the same time
[10:04] <Blindie_> can anyone help me?
[10:04] <cfhowlett> !ask|Blindie_, details
[10:05] <ste22x> are there any  plugins   i should install  aswell
[10:06] <ste22x> quite  health  challenged   so  i  rely  on   a  few  ham  voip  programs
[10:06] <Blindie_> ubottu, i already asked the question
[10:06] <Blindie_> i am too :D
[10:06] <ste22x> but  would like to get away  from  using windows
[10:08] <Blindie_> cfhowlett, i asked the question allready, i have a pc wit spdif out and a 5.1 sourround system. My soundcard supports dolby digital live and i want to use it under ubuntu
[10:08] <Touhou11> ste22x: Please be aware while Skype works correctly on Ubuntu, it's proprietary software which Microsoft altered away from a decentralized architecture so that conversations could be monitored.
[10:08] <Blindie_> normaly spdif can only transport 2 channels ore encoded dolby digital ore dts
[10:09] <cfhowlett> Blindie_, ubuntu-restricted-extras might be in your interest
[10:10] <ste22x> are there any mixer software  ect  i  should install
[10:11] <ste22x> to play multiple  programs
[10:11] <Blindie_> hmm, didnt help cfhowlett
[10:11] <mr4eyes> like DJ mixing software?
[10:11] <Blindie_> i need a on the fly dolby digital encoder ore dts encoder
[10:12] <aaronmehar> how do I send stnderr to null? $2>/dev/null ??
[10:13] <Blindie_> when there isnt anything like that, there is no way to use ubuntu for me :(
[10:13] <cfhowlett> Blindie_, is there a windows program you use?
[10:14] <Blindie_> yes, this are implemented in the driver ( i have the creative soundblaster x-fi titanium)
[10:16] <cfhowlett> Blindie_, ask #opensourcemusicians
[10:17] <Blindie_> theanks
[10:18] <fidel__> ste22x: regarding mixing application. have you tested: mixxx?
[10:18] <fidel__> it emulated a mixer & 2 turnrable like playback devices
[10:19] <cfhowlett> Blindie_, I've got apps in my ubuntustudio which I never use - pretty sure at least one is a DJ console ...
[10:19] <Blindie_> ?
[10:19] <ste22x> no  i  haven't
[10:19] <fidel__> ste22x: then consider taking a look on it ;)
[10:20] <fidel__> not sure if it fits your needs - but its a basic mixing app
[10:20] <ste22x> will that work with the pulse audio
[10:20] <fidel__> ste22x: afaik yes
[10:20] <cfhowlett> ste22x, yes
[10:20] <fidel__> cfhowlett: sorry if i interupted
[10:21] <cfhowlett> fidel__, no worry
[10:21] <ste22x> ok   i'll  switch to ubuntu   from lubuntu   and install  the mixxx
[10:21] <fidel__> ste22x: no need to change that
[10:21] <fidel__> just install the app
[10:22] <fidel__> ubuntu / lubuntu is more or less the same anyways.
[10:22] <macs> ste22x yes switch from lubuntu, I initially downloaded lubuntu because it's marketed as simple, but just download ubuntu, i've found it much better to work with
[10:22] <ste22x> i  have the alsa  now
[10:22] <fidel__> and if it comes to installing and testing mixxx - there is really no need to change anything at that point
[10:23] <fidel__> macs: its both the same - overall - just showing another curtain
[10:23] <ste22x> even though   aren't  alsa and pulse audio   somehow connected together
[10:43] <G[zero]D> Hi all, anyone can help me teamviewer problem, when I launch, I receive a specific message: "Critical Error - Verification of your TeamViewer version failed! TeamViewer will quit for security reasons. Please reinstall TeamViewer."
[10:45] <Rory> G[zero]D: How did you install teamviewer? What Ubuntu version are you using?
[10:45] <Blindie_> hmm, it looks like there is no way, good by linux :(
[10:46] <G[zero]D> Ubuntu 13.10
[10:46] <G[zero]D> Clean install
[10:46] <Ben64> teamviewer doesn't work great in linux, you should use something native. like VNC
[10:47] <G[zero]D> I need to manage a lot of remote desk
[10:48] <Rory> G[zero]D: How did you install Teamviewer? What version did you install?
[10:48] <Ben64> !info remmina | G[zero]D
[10:48] <Touhou11> G[zero]D: Why not contact Teamviewer support?
[10:49] <G[zero]D> No man, RDP and VNC ins't solution..
[10:49] <Ben64> uh, why not
[10:49] <Radhasafn> I'm trying to add the ubuntu universe ppa and what I get is something about a json object not being decodable?
[10:49] <Rory> G[zero]D: How did you install Teamviewer? What version did you install?
[10:49] <G[zero]D> NAT/PAT
[10:49] <G[zero]D> I have try to install TV9 32bit
[10:50] <Rory> Radhasafn: How are you enabling it? it isn't a PPA it's an official repository. All you need to do is tick the box in the Software Sources application
[10:50] <Rory> G[zero]D: Where did you download the installer?
[10:50] <G[zero]D> in ubuntu 64bit native with i386 arch
[10:50] <G[zero]D> official site
[10:51] <G[zero]D> Ben64, many people isn't able to open a port for, PAT
[10:51] <Radhasafn> Rory, well, I don't have that box because I pulled that out of the OS, I'm using sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu $(lsb_release -sc) universe"
[10:51] <Rory> Radhasafn: What Ubuntu version are you using?
[10:51] <Ben64> Radhasafn: why on earth are you enabling universe like that
[10:52] <Radhasafn> Rory, I'm technically on bodhi which is an ubuntu fork though.
[10:52] <G[zero]D> Rory, Ben64 ....after two days I have now solve the problem
[10:52] <Radhasafn> Ben64, because it doesn't come with the standard graphical tool
[10:52] <Rory> Radhasafn: That isn't supported here
[10:52] <Radhasafn> bodhi is basically ubuntu with everything pulled out.
[10:52] <Radhasafn> Hmm
[10:52] <Rory> Radhasafn: What's the output of "lsb_release -sc" ?
[10:53] <Ben64> sorry but Rory is correct, bodhi isn't supported in this channel
[10:53] <cfhowlett> Radhasafn, perhaps but the best place for support of a distro is from the distro managers
[10:53] <Radhasafn> empty string
[10:53] <Rory> Radhasafn: That's why it isn't working then
[10:53] <cyt93cs> Hello folks, my machine stops at the boot fsck screen, and I don't know which option to choose. Could someone help me? The screenshot: https://www.dropbox.com/sc/t5tceaxgmnj02ub/UuXi0SAFBA
[10:53] <Rory> Radhasafn: Ask bodhi support
[10:53] <Radhasafn> Well, I figured there was something with the PPA since I read this bug a lot on the internet googling for it
[10:53] <Radhasafn> Many people are reporting they are suddenly getting this JSON error
[10:53] <Rory> Radhasafn: It isn't a PPA
[10:54] <Radhasafn> On this repo alone so I thought maybe there was some known bug with the JSON object
[10:54] <Radhasafn> Hmm
[10:54] <cyt93cs> What do F /S / M mean?
[10:54] <Radhasafn> Oh well, I see what they know at bodhi
[10:54] <Ben64> cyt93cs: that does not look good. what is you type "S"
[10:54] <Rory> Radhasafn: The command is very simple, it's failing becase it's trying to add "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu <empty_string> partner"
[10:54] <Ben64> what if**
[10:54] <G[zero]D> rm -fR .config/teamviwer9 && sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 $$ sudo aptitude upgrade && sudo dpkg -i team*.deb && sudo aptitude install -f
[10:54] <Rory> and instead oe empty_string it's expecting a release name like "saucy" or "raring"
[10:54] <saluq> i have a question if some one can help...
[10:54] <cfhowlett> cyt93cs, is this installed or from the boot USB
[10:54] <cfhowlett> !ask|saluq,
[10:55] <cyt93cs> cfhowlett: installed
[10:55] <saluq> okay thank you
[10:55] <cyt93cs> cfhowlett: after power on
[10:55] <cfhowlett> cyt93cs, first boot?  I'd say a nomodeset issue ....
[10:56] <Radhasafn> Rory, ahh
[10:56] <cyt93cs> cfhowlett: not first boot
[10:56] <Radhasafn> I think this one is based on raring
[10:56] <Ben64> cfhowlett: to me it looks like it can't mount the /home partition, but the text problem i have no idea
[10:56] <Radhasafn> Let me try that
[10:57] <Rory> cyt93cs: Can you press "f" when that prompt comes up?
[10:57] <cfhowlett> Ben64, i couldn't/didn't read the message - appears to be a rendering issue thus my guess of nomodeset
[10:57] <saluq> i am "attempting" to boot the Ubuntu 12.04.1 Live Disk on a HP Omnibook 6000 are there any boot or kernel variables that i can use to reduce resource load?
[10:57] <Ben64> Radhasafn: bodhi still isn't supported here, and you'll likely break your system by doing what you're doing. you should go to bodhi support
[10:57] <cyt93cs> Rory: what do you guess for "f"?
[10:57] <cfhowlett> saluq, try lubuntu instead if ubuntu is too demanding
[10:57] <cyt93cs> Rory: I don't have any idea :(
[10:57] <Radhasafn> Ben64, okido
[10:57] <saluq> awesome thank you
[10:58] <trupheenix> how can i use ssh keys from the file explorer in Unity?
[10:58] <Rory> cyt93cs: Not f actually, I don't think that will do anything. I believe the error you're getting is this one http://askubuntu.com/questions/120/how-do-i-avoid-the-s-to-skip-message-on-boot
[10:59] <saluq> my problem is just that is takes a long time like it has been loading for the past hour or so
[11:00] <trupheenix> how can i use ssh keys with nautilus?
[11:01] <strk> help: I've uninstalled compiz and unity and remained with no desktop :> -- installing "ubuntu-desktop" gave me back something but I'm still missing the menu
[11:01] <cyt93cs> Rory: thanks for the reference. maybe f is fix? Let me try it.
[11:01] <strk> what implements the unity menu n the left ?
[11:03] <cyt93cs> Rory: it start to fsck, great
[11:03]  * cyt93cs leave for a while for dinner
[11:03] <Rory> cyt93cs: I guess like a pro
[11:03] <cyt93cs> Rory: awesome!!
[11:03] <Rory> strk: It's a compiz plugin called Unity
[11:04] <strk> thanks guys
[11:05] <strk> can I switch the display to "text-ode" after boot ?
[11:06] <strk> rescue mode with these tiny fonts and extremely slow rendering is not comfortable at all :/
[11:09] <cfhowlett> strk, if your system is struggling I'd suggest you test lxde orr xfce4 desktop environments.  you might find xubuntu or lubuntu more digestible
[11:09] <Touhou11> strk: For a slow system I'd recommend using Arch Linux with a simple WM rather than a full-blown desktop environment
[11:11] <ikonia> recommending a distro change to arch to change a desktop - is stupid
[11:11] <ikonia> just use the desktop you want to use, there is no need for a distribution change
[11:12] <strk> you didn't get me, I was out of X
[11:12] <strk> ** (gnome-terminal:20723): WARNING **: Failed to connect to the session manager: Could not open network socket
[11:12] <strk> maybe that's my problem
[11:13] <Touhou11> The package setup of Ubuntu is optimized for a few desktop environments. While you can use it as a minimalist distribution, you have to fight against the defaults
[11:13] <strk> and dbus issue too
[11:14] <ikonia> there is no "fight" against defaults, you can install/remove what you want
[11:14] <Touhou11> ikonia: Yes, but it will take more work. Have you actually tried Arch? Seems like Ubuntu defence force
[11:14]  * strk often fights
[11:16] <ikonia> Touhou11: I've tried arch yes, and I have zero problem with it, however suggesting it a fix to a desktop change is just wrong, nothing less than "wrong"
[11:17] <ikonia> Touhou11: to suggest installing a different desktop is "more work" than changing a distro and building it from the ground up - is again, just wrong
[11:17] <ikonia> Touhou11: there is no ubuntu defense here, just bad advice defense
[11:18] <Touhou11> You're right, in the short term it takes longer to get Arch running. But due to the rolling-release model, over months/years of use the user will save time
[11:18] <ikonia> Touhou11: that's just nonsense too
[11:18] <ikonia> Touhou11: he's asking to change a desktop/window manager, not change a whole distribution and release model
[11:19] <Touhou11> Many people new to Ubuntu aren't even aware rolling-release is a possibility
[11:20] <ikonia> Touhou11: so telling them to blindly change distros is a "fix"
[11:20] <Touhou11> Agreed
[11:22] <sAnonim> hey, I have weird problem with avconv - I can't set constant output bitrate
[11:23] <sAnonim> I am using bitrate 8000k maxrate 8000k minrate 8000k but output video has 10-12M bitrate
[11:23] <sAnonim> Can anyone help me?
[11:29] <cummseng> i just unbinded a device using pci-stub, how do i undo it?
[11:29] <sxt> hi, I have to rename all files in a directory with names like 1.dat, 2.dat, 3.dat etc. by date, any ideas about a tutorial explaining how to accomplish something like that? massive renaming of files
[11:30] <abdou> hi
[11:31] <sAnonim> sxt: you can write a script, just loop while there are files in directory and for each file rename it to data and id
[11:31] <sAnonim> sxt: so for example you will have 20131220-1,20131220-2....
[11:32] <Touhou11> There's a command-line tool called "rename", just use that
[11:39] <strk> well, the menu isn't back yet
[11:40] <strk> I only have the background. Luckly I discovered CTRL-ALT-T to open a terminal, or I'd still be lost
[11:40] <strk> right-click on the desktop background doesn't give me any way to access the manu
[11:40] <strk> *menu*
[11:40] <strk> I have compiz, compiz-plugins, compiz-gnome
[11:41] <strk> compiz is also running
[11:41] <strk> what am I missing ?
[11:41] <blurkis> is there any way of checking the motherboard chipset via terminal to get the data on the chipset,  to see how much ram it can handle?  I want to upgrade to more ram, but unsure of the maximum?
[11:42] <strk> uhm, another thing: DISPLAY is :0, but can't be opened !
[11:42] <strk> Error: Can't open display: :0
[11:42] <blurkis> The limits is in the chipsets, i persume..  so having the name might ease a google search
[11:42] <dv-> blurkis: check the board manual
[11:42] <blurkis> dv-, used computer, strange brand and no manual :(
[11:42] <strk> that's from a terminal opened with CTRL-ALT-T
[11:42] <blurkis> strk, e machine something.  not sold for some year.. :(
[11:42] <PatrickDickey>   blurkis, I believe the chipset information will be in dmesg somewhere. But don't quote me on that.
[11:45] <blurkis> seems the emachine 1840 is sold with 4gb (2gb in each slot,) so the slots are full.   but cant find info if its doable to for example put 8gb in it..
[11:45] <dv-> blurkis: running lshw or dmesg like PatrickDickey said should tell you exactly what board you have
[11:46] <strk> gah, I rebooted, and now DISPLAY starts at :4.0
[11:46] <strk> what's that randomness !?
[11:48] <blurkis> dv-, thanks.  though google found me a page stating that maximum memory is in fact 4gb.  Strane though..   these limitations..  I meen, the computer is not that old. Why manufacture a motherboard that with so low limitations?
[11:49] <PatrickDickey> blurkis, you answered your own question earlier. e-Machines. They make them as cheaply as possible. So, you don't get a whole lot. You probably don't even have AMD-V or VT-x (for virtualization) in your BIOS either.
[11:50] <pulsar78> fritsch: solved it =)
[11:50]  * pulsar78 goes Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooot
[11:51] <pulsar78> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6605147/
[11:53] <PatrickDickey> Have a good day everyone (or night). I'm off to bed shortly. It's getting late (or early, if you're a normal person) here.
[11:57] <strikov> Hi guys. On one of my machines (which runs saucy) I have 'ubuntu:!:<...>' line inside /etc/shadow but still can login to machine using ssh keypair. On the other (experimental machine which runs trusty) in the same situation sshd doesn't allow ubuntu user to login (because account is locked) and I have to put 'ubuntu:*:<...>' to /etc/shadow to make it work. Which behavior is correct? Thanks
[12:08] <TomyWork> maxvi, ppa or compile
[12:08] <dp_wiz> or backports repo
[12:09] <TomyWork> or that
[12:11] <TomyWork> my ssh server changed host keys, out of the blue, from rsa to ecdsa. it's pretty much impossible that it has been taken over, and there hasnt been an ssh server update since november, so what else is going on there? some kind of EOL code?
[12:11] <maxvi> TomyWork: Thanks it works!
[12:12] <lotuspsychje> TomyWork: you have denyhosts installed to block ssh intrusion?
[12:22] <Kartagis> ubuntu stopped recognising my micro-sd card in my phone
[12:23] <lotuspsychje> Kartagis: what does /var/log/syslog say?
[12:23] <lotuspsychje> Kartagis: or do a tail -f /var/log/syslog and plug in your sd card
[12:24] <strk> what provides the top bar in an ubuntu desktop ? I've lost it (togheter with the left bar)
[12:24] <strk> someone told me before that the left one was a compiz plugin named "Unity", but I dunno how to check it's enabled
[12:25] <lotuspsychje> strk: did you uninstall unity?
[12:26] <strk> lotuspsychje: I did, but then I tried to re-install it evidently without success
[12:27] <Kartagis> lotuspsychje: nothing regarding :S
[12:27] <strk> dpkg -l | grep unity | awk '{print $2}' > unity.lst # http://strk.keybit.net/tmp/unity.lst
[12:27] <strk> lotuspsychje: ^
[12:31] <TomyWork> lotuspsychje, denyhosts isnt relevant, the server isnt exposed
[12:43]  * strk installs gnome-shell and finds yet anothe kind of thing
[12:43] <strk> can I drop unity again, now that I have gnome-shell ?
[12:53] <winmutt> how does bash know my .py is a python script? its using the wrong script
[13:02] <Magicpants> hi is there anyone that can help me with an issue that i have
[13:02] <cfhowlett> !ask|Magicpants,
[13:02] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[13:02] <anew> ~/ is this the same thing as /
[13:02] <anew> ?
[13:02] <Magicpants> !ask
[13:03] <obachan> anew: ~ translates to your home folder
[13:03] <anew> ok thx
[13:03] <obachan> so ~/ = /home/anew/ and / = /
[13:03] <anew> ah
[13:04] <pulsar78> seems i have grub and grub2 installed , is it safe to remove grub ?
[13:04] <Magicpants> !ask I recently installed Ubuntu 13.10 and along with it i installed Gnome 3.10, however, the font/text is cut in half on the menus and i have no clue why. See this picutre: http://imgdrop.se/UPL/1387544521nzb.png
[13:04] <Magicpants> I recently installed Ubuntu 13.10 and along with it i installed Gnome 3.10, however, the font/text is cut in half on the menus and i have no clue why. See this picutre: http://imgdrop.se/UPL/1387544521nzb.png
[13:05] <shafox> Has anyone installed elasticsearch ??
[13:05] <obachan> pulsar: do you know which one is active? you could test if its grub2 if you change the order of the boot scripts and rewrite the grub2 config
[13:05] <Magicpants> !patience
[13:06] <zack_> Has anyone tried xubuntu 14.04?
[13:06] <jhutchins> zack_: yes
[13:06] <cfhowlett> zack_, discuss in #ubuntu+1
[13:06] <cfhowlett> !trusty
[13:10] <obachan> :/reload
[13:11] <firmware000> how to swich windows in ircii?
[13:14] <Mike3620>  I keep on doing chmod 0666 /dev/null but it keeps reverting back to 0600 how do I make /dev/null stay at 0666 so that people can use the server?
[13:15] <mattintech> winmutt: do you mean your python script isn't executing?  when you add #!/usr/bin/python and make the script executable it should execute from the cmd line in python
[13:15] <Mike3620> Does anyone know why the file permissions keep changing on /dev/null
[13:16] <cfhowlett> !server|Mike3620,
[13:23] <anew> if i want to set up public/private keys for a user, do i have to be logged in as that user ?
[13:29] <G[zero]D> Hi all, any ideas for ubunti 13.10 x64 with battery problems? Power manager "log" battery not present
[13:31] <Rory> anew: no, just put it in their ~username/.ssh folder
[13:32] <Rory> anew: make sure they're the only user who can read their private key
[13:32] <anew> yeah but that /.ssh folder does not exist
[13:32] <G[zero]D> Rory,  ideas?
[13:33] <Rory> G[zero]D: huh?
[13:33] <G[zero]D> ubuntu 13.10 x64 with battery problems? Power manager "log" battery not present
[13:34] <G[zero]D> I have try to install tlp but without positive result
[13:34] <Rory> anew: You can create the .ssh folder but the easiest way might be to do: sudo su USERNAME -c "ssh-keygen"
[13:34] <Rory> anew: That will run the ssh-keygen command as the user "USERNAME"
[13:35] <jax7> PING:jax7
[13:38] <jax7> PING:jax7
[13:40] <anew> k let me try that
[13:40] <anew> also when i created this new user.. i created a password also... how do i disable password login ? or is that automatic
[13:43] <jax7> Where
[13:47] <kskksksk> hi all, i am trying to install super boot manager but it also asks to install iced tea java, and sdk etc, while i have oracle java already installed
[13:47] <kskksksk> i just want to install super boot maanger, not JAVA ICED TEA
[13:48] <cfhowlett> kskksksk, dependency?
[13:49] <kskksksk> cfhowlett: why this is not checking oracle java
[13:49] <kskksksk> is this not compatiable with oracle java
[13:49] <cfhowlett> kskksksk, I don't have the right background to answer that question.
[13:51] <kskksksk> i have a metered connection  and will this not conflict with  oracle java plugin
[13:51] <jhutchins> kskksksk: Whoever built the package either did not make it compatible with oracle java or did not tell it that oracle java met the requirements.  The fact that they require an SDK to run the program is a sign of a very typical and shoddy build process.  I would recommend avoiding this package and any java package from this source.
[13:52] <cfhowlett> jhutchins, upvote for clear, concise reponse!
[13:53] <kskksksk> jhutchins: thanks, but recently it was working  well,
[13:53] <kskksksk> i reinstalled ubuntu
[13:54] <kskksksk> and now this problem, and iced java was not also installed  at that time
[13:54] <kskksksk> i always install oracle java, because most of time ICED java not works like charm
[13:55] <jhutchins> kskksksk: Nothing you have said changes my answer.
[13:55] <kskksksk> jhutchins: :D
[13:56] <kamika> Hi os there a way to install Ubuntu without the X11??
[13:57] <BluesKaj> kamika, on a server?
[13:58] <kamika> BluesKaj, no on a computer
[13:58] <BluesKaj> kamika, why not X ?
[13:59] <kamika> because is to use on a project that runs on ubuntu
[13:59] <cfhowlett> wait, server isn't a computer anymore?  dammit!
[13:59] <Lucid_Lynx> is there a way , or not ?
[13:59] <cfhowlett> no one told me!
[13:59] <BluesKaj> hehe
[13:59] <Rory> Lucid_Lynx: Install the server edition, it doesn't include an X server
[14:00] <kamika> BluesKaj, basically the ideia is a computer that boots and runs the console program..
[14:00] <BluesKaj> kamika, then the server edition is for you
[14:00]  * cfhowlett thinks that sounds just like a ... server!
[14:00] <BluesKaj> !server
[14:01] <BluesKaj> cfhowlett, uhmm , yeah :)
[14:01] <Artemis3> kamika, Lucid_Lynx, i'd suggest minimal instead of server :3
[14:01] <kamika> BluesKaj, ok i'll try it...
[14:02] <zykotick9> !mini
[14:02] <kamika> Artemis3, tks i'll try that too. It runs a OpenCV project
[14:02] <maru123> hola
[14:02] <maru123> alguien quiere una noche ak
[14:02] <Artemis3> kamika, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD you have to choose command line install (f5 or something)
[14:02] <maru123> ashdkaj chau
[14:02] <ariel_17> maru123: nah
[14:03] <Rory> !es | maru123
[14:03] <maru123> "join #ubuntu-es
[14:03] <trippeh_> hey. just downloaded ubu 12.04 LTS 64-bit and the image has amd in name, i have i5, should i get another image?
[14:03] <Rory> maru123: /join #ubuntu-es
[14:04] <Rory> trippeh_: No, amd64 means 64-bit
[14:04] <kamika> Artemis3, thanks, i'll check that
[14:04] <zykotick9> trippeh_: if you want 64bit that's the right image.  works for intel and amd.
[14:05] <trippeh_> thx
[14:06] <inashdeen> hi there, I am looking for an app where I can search the net quickly, like a google toolbar we see in android. Is there such thing for ubuntu? thanks. Secondly, How can I install ubuntu touch interface in a 64 bit ubuntu? thank you
[14:07] <Rory> !touch | for your second question inashdeen
[14:07] <Rory> inashdeen: for your first question, there's a Unity lens for duckduckgo which allows you to search the web from the dash http://askubuntu.com/questions/224604/how-to-search-google-in-dash
[14:07] <inashdeen> thanks
[14:07] <Rory> No problem, glad I could help :)
[14:09] <trippeh_> install/partitioning should swap be 1st partition?
[14:10] <Rory> trippeh_: It doesn't matter
[14:12] <datandroiddude> WHat is the Channel for Ubuntu for android?
[14:13] <Rory> !touch
[14:13] <fidel__> datandroiddude: i guess sonmething with #ubuntu-touch or simular
[14:13] <Stanley00> !alis | datandroiddude
[14:15] <hansford> can someone help me please....I am having trouble of getting sound from rose garden
[14:15] <Rory> hansford: I strongly recommend asking #ubuntustudio channel, they know a lot more about that sort of thing
[14:16] <hansford> Rory....thanks
[14:21] <trippeh_> partitioning|allocating space - do apps/software (adobe,steam) install in /usr .. /usr/bin?
[14:22] <Rory> trippeh_: Yes
[14:22] <Rory> trippeh_: If in doubt, just make one big / partition, or at most, a / and a /home partition
[14:24] <trippeh_> Rory i'm installin ubu as sole os on a 750gb hdd
[14:25] <Rory> trippeh_: Then you may as well use the guided partitioning, it is sensible
[14:25] <Rory> trippeh_: Unless you know you have specific needs, in which case you wouldn't be asking :)
[14:26] <trippeh_> last time i used linux in 2003, i'm rusty
[14:26] <Rory> Just use the guided partitioning "use entire disk"
[14:27] <trippeh_> can ubu rwx on ntfs mount?
[14:27] <trippeh_> thx
[14:27] <Rory> trippeh_: Yep, we have write-access to ntfs with the ntfs-3g FUSE driver (a lot has changed since 2003)
[14:28] <trippeh_> i sure hope so, i had to write my own video driver back then
[14:28] <Rory> stuff tends to just work now. even wifi
[14:30] <trippeh_> i decided to go for linux to get better sync phone/tablet/pc/laptop
[14:40] <trippeh_> ubu image burn. managed to burn on 700mb cd with nero/win7(overburn?!), how can i do it using ubu?
[14:43] <Rory> trippeh_: I don't know anything about that, it doesn't fit on a CD. You should use a DVD or a flash drive
[14:44] <blinky_> Hi all, running xUbuntu through vmware with a cyborg RAT7 mouse, anyone know how to get all the buttons to work so I cant use the thumb buttons as back/forward.  Hvae tried editting the xorg.conf and xev still doesn't show an input.  Any ideas?
[14:45] <Rory> blinky_: Can you please show me your xorg.conf?
[14:45] <Rory> Please paste the full output onto http://paste.ubuntu.com and share the URL in this channel
[14:45] <blinky_> Section "InputClass"
[14:45] <blinky_>         Identifier "Mouse Remap"
[14:45] <blinky_>         MatchProduct "Saitek Cyborg R.A.T.7 Mouse"
[14:45] <blinky_>         MatchDevicePath "/dev/input/event*"
[14:45] <blinky_>         Option "ButtonMapping" "1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 0 0 0 0 0"
[14:45] <FloodBot1> blinky_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[14:45] <blinky_> 	Option "ZAxisMapping" "8 9"
[14:45]  * Rory sighs
[14:46] <trippeh_> Rory i managed to write the ubuntu-12.04.3-desktop-amd64 image on a 700 mb cd, i found the cd so nvm my last question
[14:48] <trippeh_> i used win7/nero -> copy cd /overburn option
[14:48] <blinky_> Any ideas
[14:49] <Rory> blinky_: Can you please show me your xorg.conf?
[14:49] <Rory> Please paste the full output onto http://paste.ubuntu.com and share the URL in this channel
[14:49] <Rory> blinky_: Don't paste multiple lines into this channel or you'll get muted again, and probably kicked
[14:49] <blinky_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6606049/
[14:50] <blinky_> yeah didnt know that first time, learning the hard way mate
[14:50] <Rory> blinky_: I did say...
[14:50] <Rory> blinky_: Thanks. Could you do the same for the output of the command "lsusb -v" ?
[14:50] <Rory> blinky_: you can do "sudo apt-get -y install pastebinit; lsusb -v | pastebinit"
[14:52] <lost4468> hi, I just installed linux and at first the internet is really slow, and after you run the system for ~10 mins the interent eventually stops working, I'm using a wireless internet with a RTL8187
[14:52] <Rory> lost4468: What Ubuntu version are you using?
[14:52] <lost4468> 12.04
[14:53] <blinky_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6606070/
[14:54] <Rory> Ah blinky_ you're in a VM, I didn't see that. It won't work in a virtual machine because it just presents to the system as "VMWare Virtual Mouse" and not your actual hardware
[14:54] <Rory> blinky_: You'll have to install Xubuntu properly on its own partition
[14:55] <blinky_> though that might be the case.  I am holding off doing a full install just yet as I use both windows and linux.  I am very new to linux and fall back onto windows a lot at the moment.
[14:55] <blinky_> Will get there soon, cheers for your help.
[14:55] <Rory> lost4468: Are you able to follow the instructions in this answer http://askubuntu.com/a/178017/62969 ? Or would you like me to help you with it?
[14:55] <Rory> np blinky_ you know you can dual boot? it's not one or the other?
[14:55] <Rory> blinky_: when you install you can move a slider to allocate hard drive space between Windows and Xubuntu
[14:56] <Rory> blinky_: and when you boot your computer you get a menu so you can choose
[14:56] <blinky_> Yeah I have a dual boot running at the moment, just prefer having acces to both at the same time.  Will have a look into running a vmware of windows within linux one day
[14:56] <Rory> That's probably a better way round to do it unless you play games on Windows
[14:57] <dv-> WINE can be used to play many windows games
[14:57] <cfhowlett> !steam
[14:57] <lost4468> Rory the download links for the drivers just send me to http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/
[14:58] <blinky_> I do play games, however, I have a seperate install of win7 for gaming.  I starting Android app dev at the moment and have been playing with Android OS's so am spending more and more time in Linux at the moment.
[14:58] <Rory> Also PlayOnLinux is pretty nice. I just pressed a button and it downloaded and installed League of Legends for me :)
[14:58] <blinky_> Have heard that is coming along nicely, when I can get BattleField and Hawken installed on Linux I dont see a need for Windows anymore :)
[15:00] <Rory> I'll give it 2 years before Linux becomes a first-class citizen thanks to Valve's SteamOS. Anyway it's getting a little #ubuntu-offtopic in here :)
[15:01] <blinky_> Cool, well cherrs for your help and I will be back later with more ubuntu questions. Have a doo Christmas all.
[15:01] <blinky_> good*
[15:01] <Rory> blinky_: Have a doo christmas too
[15:01] <lost4468> thanks Rory, I can do that, I'll go try it now
[15:08] <makara> hi. I'm having trouble connecting VPN on 13.10 to a Windows VPN (pptp).
[15:08] <makara> i'm following this: http://labnotes.decampo.org/2012/12/ubuntu-1210-connect-to-microsoft-vpn.html
[15:10] <ses1984> i have a system with intel integrated graphics, and an nvidia graphics card. i have two monitors connected to nvidia, and one connected to intel. three monitors this way works almost perfectly
[15:10] <gordonjcp> how can I stop things "sticking" to the top bar in Unity?
[15:11] <Rory> gordonjcp: Disable edge snapping
[15:11] <ses1984> the problem i have is that the system doesn't seem stable with the open source nvidia drivers. it crashes randomly and more often when the graphics are being used, like transparent desktop effects, moving windows around, playing video, etc
[15:11] <ses1984> the other problem is that if i install the nvidia proprietary drivers, i lose the ability to see output through the intel graphics
[15:11] <Touhou11> ses1984: Feel free to contribute bug fixes to the open source drivers
[15:11] <ses1984> i'm not sure if that's a configuration problem that i can fix, but i haven't been able to figure it out yet
[15:12] <ses1984> Touhou11: if i could i would. that would be like saying "you took your car in to get it fixed. feel free to contribute a better design to GM" -- i'm not a mechanical engineer. i'm not a driver developer
[15:13] <ses1984> i haven't even been able to figure out any evidence that the system logs as to why it crashes. it's a hard crash. i can't use any keyboard commands. i can't switch to another tty
[15:13] <gordonjcp> Rory: where is that?
[15:13] <ses1984> i cant alt-sysreq RSEISUB
[15:13] <Rory> ses1984: you got a S in there twice, bro
[15:13] <Rory> gordonjcp: I think it's in the monitor settings
[15:14] <ses1984> Rory: i heard that the extra S can't hurt. some people actually recommend alt-sysreq SRSESISUSB or something like that. maybe SRSESISUB
[15:14] <ses1984> but that's probably being overly careful
[15:14] <Rory> ses1984: It won't hurt, you're right, it syncs to the disk
[15:15] <gordonjcp> Rory: "sticky edges"? That makes no difference
[15:15] <ses1984> it's normally REISUB right?
[15:15] <Rory> ses1984: REISUB or RSEIUB
[15:15] <ses1984> I find REISUB easier to remember because it's kind of pronouncable
[15:20] <Rory> I just alt-sysrq-b because I live life on the edge
[15:20] <martian> Is there a way to prevent VLC from stealing focus when it finishes playing a video?
[15:22] <Touhou11> martian: Write a simple program to request focus, which takes the video length as the input parameter.
[15:22] <martian> Touhou11: oh, lovely :-P
[15:22] <Rory> martian: you can make it quit after, if you go to settings -> (advanced) -> playlists
[15:23] <Rory> martian: Then it will jsut close after playing something, although I'm aware that's a bit of a hack
[15:23] <martian> Rory: that might not be too bad. It's annoying when I'm coding and suddenly VLC decides to pop up and start taking my keystrokes!
[15:23] <Rory> martian: You could use cvlc if you're using it to play audio
[15:24] <Rory> martian: or nvlc. both those run in a terminal
[15:25] <ryanhellyer> Hello. I'm hoping some kind soul here is able to point me in the direction of how to shut off display drivers. Just bought a Lenovo in the hope that it would be compatible with Ubuntu, but it seems that was optimistic :( (I'm trying to work around this problem https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/1211932)
[15:25] <martian> Rory: naah, playing video and I suspect this is happening because I have it set to 'always on top', but when the playlist ends it tells the window manager it no longer needs to be and that that toggles the focus.. I guess
[15:28] <Kajunfiend> is cinnamon de buggy for anyone else
[15:30] <lost4468> Rory I tried that thing you sent me
[15:30] <lost4468> got the following error:
[15:30] <lost4468> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6606259/
[15:35] <Moe_Azraq> Hi
[15:36] <pulsar78> i've overwritten a module, how do i get the original back ?
[15:36] <Moe_Azraq> I am having a problem with getting utorrent to work on my Ubuntu 13.10
[15:36] <Moe_Azraq> Can somebody help me?
[15:36] <ryanhellyer> What is going wrong Moe_Azraq ?
[15:37] <Wiz_KeeD> Anyone use soulseek under ubuntu?
[15:37] <ryanhellyer> It usually is a straightforward installation.
[15:37] <Moe_Azraq> @Ryanhellyer, my computer gets stuck when trying to acces ./utserver
[15:38] <Moe_Azraq> it does not load anything
[15:38] <Moe_Azraq> The version I downloaded is utorrent 3.3
[15:41] <BluesKaj> Moe_Azraq, utorrent has to run in wine , it's a windows app
[15:41] <Wiz_KeeD> I cannot play mp3 files in ubuntu 13.10 saucy :)))
[15:41] <ikonia> !mp3 | Wiz_KeeD
[15:41] <Wiz_KeeD> isn't that like a default feature?
[15:41] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: are you aware of https://help.ubuntu.com - it will answer pretty much all of the questions you've asked to date
[15:41] <Wiz_KeeD> thank you ikonia
[15:42] <Wiz_KeeD> stop patronising please
[15:42] <ryanhellyer> Wiz_KeeD: You need to have selected the restricted formats on installation
[15:42] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: no-one is patronising you
[15:42] <lost4468> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6606259/
[15:42] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: you've asked a question, I'm giving you information to fix it and fix other problems you will probably encounter
[15:42] <lost4468> why isn't this working?
[15:42] <Moe_Azraq> BluesKaj, no it is accessible via a webbrowser
[15:42] <Moe_Azraq> on Ubuntu
[15:42] <Wiz_KeeD> ryanhellyer, ahhh I didn't know that, how can I do that at this point in time?
[15:42] <Moe_Azraq> no need for wine
[15:43] <Wiz_KeeD> one sec please
[15:43] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: the url you've just been given tells you how to do it
[15:43] <ryanhellyer> Wiz_KeeD: I think you can access it from the software center
[15:43] <ice9> how to fix the black cursor theme in unity?
[15:43] <kostkon> Wiz_KeeD, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:43] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: hence the "this will answer the question and the others you've asked to date"
[15:43] <Wiz_KeeD> Rhythmbox requires to install plugins to play media files of the following type: MPEG-1 Layer 3 (MP3) decoder
[15:43] <josh___> Hello! On the ubuntu repositories, I see packages with versions like "ubuntu0.13.10.1", "ubuntu1", "ubuntu2" etc.  The "ubuntu0..." is clear, but I couldn't find out what the 1, 2 etc mean.  Are these packages for development versions?
[15:43] <Wiz_KeeD> kostkon, will that solve my .avi and other video problems as well?
[15:43] <Moe_Azraq> @BluesKaj, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xloHsGTmsP0
[15:43] <kostkon> Wiz_KeeD, probably
[15:43] <BluesKaj> Moe_Azraq, the torrent sites are yes , but afaik utorrent is a windows exe app , which won't run on linux without wine installed
[15:44] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: READ the link ubottu gave you, it explains the multi-media and codecs
[15:44] <ikonia> Wiz_KeeD: if you read it you won't need to ask will it fix avi, will it fix mp3, it shows you what it will/will not support
[15:44] <Wiz_KeeD> ok ok
[15:45] <Wiz_KeeD> it says the same thing sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:46] <BluesKaj> Moe_Azraq, did you check the comments below the player on that url ?
[15:46] <alibama> Hi folks - i'm on ubuntu 10.4 and have to do a php 5.3.2 to 5.3.3 upgrade
[15:46] <alibama> i grabbed php 5.3.3 from here http://www.php.net/releases/
[15:47] <lost4468> I'm trying to install the drivers for my RTL8187, I get the following errors: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6606259/
[15:47] <alibama> and have untarred in my home directory… any good tutorials on my next move?  my google-fu is rather weak this morning
[15:47] <lost4468> why?
[15:47] <ikonia> alibama: don't do it
[15:47] <alibama> ikonia: not an option
[15:47] <ikonia> alibama: is the short advice, you should not be building php unless you FULLY understand what's going on
[15:48] <alibama> ikonia: ok - wrong answer
[15:48] <Wiz_KeeD> Wow that solved it, thank you guys!
[15:48] <alibama> i absolutely have to do this - 5.3.2 throws errors, 5.4 breaks the site.  I need 5.3.3 precisely to get this done
[15:48] <BluesKaj> Moe_Azraq, check this out , http://www.techdrivein.com/2011/01/top-5-bit-torrent-clients-for-ubuntu.html
[15:49] <Wiz_KeeD> dude, the clarity of the sound is like twice as better than windows....
[15:49] <ikonia> alibama: then you need to sit down and plan it, understand your system, understand the risks, and plan going forward, as this is not a "just do it" or "follow a tutorial" type thing
[15:49] <ikonia> alibama: is this a production/public facing site ?
[15:49] <ryanhellyer> Sounds like there was something wrong with your Windows installation then Wiz_KeeD
[15:49] <lost4468> probably because you didn't install the sound card drivers correctly in windows Wiz_KeeD
[15:50] <Wiz_KeeD> I mean I exagerated but it sounds a bit better and louder
[15:50] <alibama> ikonia:  i don't think you're following me here.  i have done the blah blah, and I need 5.3.3
[15:51] <ikonia> alibama: the "blah blah" - that shows you don't know what you're doing
[15:51] <alibama> ikonia: no offense or anything, but if you don't have anything useful to add….
[15:51] <ikonia> alibama: believe me - this is useful
[15:52] <alibama> ikonia: dude - getting this site running in a timely fashion is useful, your pedantic ramblings not so much
[15:52] <alibama> ikonia: enough - please
[15:52] <ikonia> alibama: you really don't understand the risks or issues you're going to create doing this rushed
[15:53] <alibama> ikonia: i really don't have time to tell you the background on this, so either send me some useful information or shut up
[15:53] <Wiz_KeeD> Anyone use soulseek in ubuntu?
[15:53] <ikonia> alibama: please don't be rude, I'm trying to stop you making a huge mistake/mess of your machine, if you wish to ignore that and just carry on blind, please do so,
[15:53] <alibama> ikonia: don't waste my time
[15:53] <alibama> ikonia: and i won't tell you how to get there
[15:54] <ikonia> alibama: there are safe ways to do what you want to do - but rushing/tutorial is not the way to approach it
[15:54] <lost4468> Rory are you here?
[15:54] <alibama> ikonia: please - just quit talking - this is  computer work - i've got snapshots of the server, it's all in vm and i need to do an upgrade, ok mom
[15:55] <ikonia> alibama: having shanpshots will not protect you from the risks,
[15:55] <alibama> is there anyway to block someone on irc?
[15:55] <kkkkkkkkkk> hi saludos desde mex
[15:56] <ryanhellyer> ikonia: There may be no risk for alibama. Please shut up like he asked.
[15:56] <alibama> kkkkkkkkkk: que onda tio?
[15:56] <lost4468> can someone please help me get my RTL8187 working properly on 12.04?
[15:57] <kkkkkkkkkk> recordando viejos tiempos del irc alibama
[15:57] <DJones> !es | kkkkkkkkkk
[15:57] <kkkkkkkkkk> :D
[15:57] <kkkkkkkkkk> okz
[16:01] <Moe_Azraq> @BluesKaj, thanks
[16:01] <BluesKaj> Moe_Azraq, np
[16:05] <lost4468> can I get some help with my internet problem?
[16:06] <ActionParsnip> lost4468: is it wired or wifi?
[16:06] <itsTodd> I recently upgrade my server to 12.04 and now none of the scripts set to run on boot with update-rc.d are running anymore. The init.d scripts seem to work fine manually but they are no longer running on boot. Any ideas?
[16:07] <lost4468> wifi, I have a RTL8187, the internet on ubuntu 12.04 is really really slow and then gets slower until after about 10 mins it stops working ActionParsnip
[16:07] <lost4468> I was told to update the drivers
[16:07] <lost4468> I tried to and got the following errors
[16:07] <lost4468> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfVn-19v09I
[16:07] <lost4468> oops
[16:07] <FloodBot1> lost4468: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:07] <ActionParsnip> lost4468: are there lots of wireless networks around you?
[16:08] <lost4468> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6606259/
[16:08] <lost4468> ActionParsnip it works fine on Windows 7
[16:08] <ActionParsnip> lost4468: doesnt answer the question
[16:08] <lost4468> no
[16:08] <ActionParsnip> lost4468: the ones that are around, are they on the same channel?
[16:08] <lost4468> no
[16:09] <lost4468> if it was interference wouldn't I experience the same thing on Windows 7?  with windows (on the same pc) it runs at full speed
[16:10] <ActionParsnip> lost4468: where are you based in the world?
[16:10] <lost4468> UK
[16:10] <ActionParsnip> lost4468: same, leeds :)
[16:11] <ActionParsnip> lost4468: what is the interface name of the wifi?
[16:12] <lost4468> it's an Alfa Realtek RTL8187?
[16:12] <ActionParsnip> lost4468: wlan0   etc...
[16:12] <lost4468> I don't know, how do I tell?
[16:12] <eggzeck> Ubuntu One file synchronization loses file permissions?
[16:12] <ActionParsnip> lost4468: sudo lshw -C network
[16:13] <lost4468> I'll have to boot into linux again, is there anything else I should do/get?
[16:13] <Rory> ActionParsnip: Wait you live in Leeds?
[16:13] <ActionParsnip> lost4468: thats all I need :)
[16:13] <ActionParsnip> Rory: yes
[16:13] <Rory> ActionParsnip: high five
[16:13] <ActionParsnip> Rory: :), what part?
[16:13] <lost4468> hey Rory I tried what you suggested as well and got this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6606259/
[16:13] <lost4468> brb to get it
[16:13] <ActionParsnip> Rory: PM if you want
[16:13] <Rory> Yeah lost4468 I have no idea about that compilation area
[16:15] <ice9> how to fix the black cursor theme in unity?
[16:17] <cuddylier> Hi
[16:17] <lost4468> back
[16:18] <cuddylier> Are ubuntu quotas in mb or kb?
[16:18] <lost4468> it's wlan0, do you want the whole output by the console?
[16:18] <ActionParsnip> cuddylier: quotes for what?
[16:18] <cuddylier> Users
[16:18] <ActionParsnip> lost4468: just the name is fine
[16:18] <cuddylier> Hard block limits
[16:18] <ActionParsnip> lost4468: sudo iw reg set GB; sudo iwconfig wlan0 rate 11M auto
[16:19] <ActionParsnip> lost4468: does that make it nicer
[16:19] <lost4468> idk I have to reboot, could of told me last time
[16:19] <lost4468> is there anything else to try as well?
[16:20] <cuddylier> ActionParsnip It says someone's file usage is 77799 whenever they're using 41gb
[16:20] <cuddylier> I'm using du -sh to get their directory space usage.
[16:20] <ActionParsnip> cuddylier: depends on file ownership really
[16:20] <cuddylier> If they own only one directory and all of it
[16:25] <lost4468> sudo: iw: command not found
[16:25] <lost4468> sudo: iw: command not found
[16:25] <lost4468> sudo: iw: command not found
[16:25] <lost4468> sudo: iw: command not found
[16:25] <lost4468> sudo: iw: command not found
[16:25] <FloodBot1> lost4468: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:25] <cuddylier> Would '480251' in quotas used mean around 480mb?
[16:25] <ActionParsnip> lost4468: sudo iwconfig reg set GB; sudo iwconfig wlan0 rate 11M auto
[16:26] <lost4468> unknown command "set"
[16:26] <lost4468> it actually said iwconfig: unknown command "set"
[16:27] <compdoc> what is 'sudo: iw:' supposed to so?
[16:28] <compdoc> dont need sudo for the command iwconfig
[16:28] <compdoc> but it still works
[16:29] <lost4468> levi@ubuntu:~$ iwconfig reg set GB
[16:29] <lost4468> iwconfig: unknown command "set"
[16:39] <DarsVaeda> hi is someone familiar with deja dup? I want to remove all backups older than one day but I fail
[16:40] <Navel> Hello ppl
[16:40] <PAPARadio> boston
[16:40] <DarsVaeda> I searched for the config cause I suppose deja dup will trigger duplicity but I fail to give a correct url to duplicity as I'm backing up to a windows server
[16:40] <Navel> may be some one have a solution for increase AMD RADEON hd 7750 1ghz edition 2gb (VERDE) in ubuntu or Mint?
[16:41] <Navel> because playing flash games with x.org and poprietary drivers = crap perfomance
[16:41] <ObrienDave> DarsVaeda, if your most recent backups are 'incremental' or 'difference', you DON'T want to clear older backups
[16:42] <DarsVaeda> I have no idea what deja dup creates here
[16:42] <ObrienDave> DarsVaeda, only if your most recent is a 'full' backup
[16:42] <DarsVaeda> I think I will just delete deja dup and try to setup duplicity myself
[16:42] <ObrienDave> ok
[16:49] <jlmarks> good morning folks! am I able to run a script from one of the virtual consoles (ctrl+alt+f1) in my primary session?
[16:50] <mnemon> jlmarks: elaborate
[16:52] <jlmarks> I would like to be able to start tilda from a virtual console and have it run in my primary session. ie go to ctrl+alt+f1, login, run tilda& , and then return to ctrl+alt+f7 and be able to interact with the program.
[16:52] <jlmarks> does that make sense?
[16:54] <mnemon> why don't you just open a xterminal and run it from there?
[16:54] <jlmarks> because when I close the xterm process that I started tilda from, tilda goes away and that is frustrating.
[16:54] <mnemon> ah, right, alt+f2 and run it from there?
[16:55] <mnemon> but yes, you can go to the virtual console and launch it from there probably
[16:55] <mnemon> might have to specify the x display to run it in
[16:55] <jlmarks> that is what I don't know how to do.
[16:55] <scott3> If I'm using the live cd how can I open my encrypted hdd from command line?
[16:56] <pulsar78> dto: net-device-up IFACE=wlan0 or net-device-up IFACE=eth0
[16:56] <mnemon> jlmarks: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1584411/how-to-run-an-x-program-from-outside-the-x-session-e-g-from-the-console-or-ssh
[16:57] <scott3> root@ubuntu:~# cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda1 hdd | Device /dev/sda1 is not a valid LUKS device.
[16:57] <scott3> why am i getting this?
[16:57] <jlmarks> mnemon:  thank you! I was in the X documentation not getting anywhere.
[16:58] <mnemon> np
[16:58] <mnemon> scott3: it's not a valid luks device or the headers are corrupted
[16:59] <scott3> right, but i can open it by clicking on the hard drive icon
[16:59] <scott3> so there must be a luks device somewhere
[16:59] <mnemon> err, are you sure it's encrypted? and that it's the same device?
[17:00] <scott3> i dunno, it must be on sda
[17:00] <scott3> if i type mount i see /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root
[17:00] <scott3> i can't see which sdX it is
[17:00] <mnemon> that's because it's lvm partition
[17:01] <ikonia> thats a logical volume
[17:01] <scott3> ok
[17:02] <scott3> is there a simple way to change the password for my encrypted volume?
[17:03] <scott3> i choose the option to encrypt the file system on installation but for some reason when ubuntu boots it doesn't accept the password, even though the same password works when opening it from the live cd
[17:07] <mnemon> scott3: do "lvscan" to get the device name, then "cryptsetup luksaddkey devicename"
[17:09] <scott3> root@ubuntu:~# lvscan | ACTIVE '/dev/ubuntu-vg/root' [295.85 GiB] inherit | root@ubuntu:~# cryptsetup luksAddKey /dev/ubuntu-vg/root | Device /dev/ubuntu-vg/root is not a valid LUKS device.
[17:10] <scott3> mnemon: didn't work
[17:15] <esde> Firefox is still being a pain in the. I've got 2 firefox windows open. One minimized and one maximized. Normal I double click on the Firefox icon twice and it shows me both windows. Nope, not when it does this. I have to close one window to maximize the other. So annoying.
[17:16] <mnemon> scott3: hmmh, do "lsblk --fs" -> check which one is crypto_luks -> add the key to it
[17:18] <esde> http://storage7.static.itmages.com/i/13/1220/h_1387559917_6030915_05e80f137b.png Notice the FF icon with the symbol for two windows. lol
[17:20] <mnemon> esde: click once and it should show you both ... or right click and select the other one?
[17:20] <mnemon> (right click the icon)
[17:20] <esde> it wouldnt let me do any of that
[17:21] <esde> it was like it was ignorant of the other window
[17:21] <esde> i gotta run now though :/ CHRISTMAS PARTY woooooo
[17:21] <scott3> mnemon: ok, that worked but it tells me no key available with this passphrase - the same passphrase works if i move with the ui though
[17:21] <scott3> mount*
[17:22] <mnemon> scott3: are you using some non-ascii characters in it? can't really think of anything else ...
[17:23] <mnemon> scott3: also apparently http://askubuntu.com/questions/95137/how-to-change-luks-passphrase
[17:26] <scott3> mnemon: nah... i'm using some characters but they're ones on the keyboard
[17:26] <scott3> thanks anyway, i think i'll just reinstall, might be quicker :D
[17:27] <mnemon> hehe :)
[17:28] <user82> hi. i got some missing thumbnails for data on a external hdd. i removed the ~/.thumbnails folder but they have to be stored somewhere else. is there a second thumbnail folder somewhere?
[17:29] <user82> i know for sure that it can create them now.
[17:32] <dab_> Hi guys
[17:32] <ozette> what's the moonlight package for mozilla firefox called?
[17:32] <dab_> My WIFI adapter isn't showing up in the list
[17:32] <JohnathanLyman> Moonlight...
[17:33] <dab_> I ran lshw -C network and still they don't show up
[17:33] <dab_> any ideas?
[17:33] <Galup> test
[17:33] <Galup> i am french
[17:34] <Galup> and speek french
[17:34] <zykotick9> !fr | Galup if you're interested
[17:35] <Galup> test
[17:35] <Galup> i am french
[17:36] <mnemon> dab_: is it disabled?
[17:36] <Galup> i speak french
[17:37] <dab_> Yes, I guess - I don't see the usual light(looking for better vocab) against the wireless icon
[17:37] <MadsRC> Can someone help me? I've removed unity and lightdm and have another DE installed (i3) - Whenever I type startx I get a blank screen with a mouse (Which must mean it doesn't load my DE) - Reinstalling my DE doesn't make startx start that DE up. What file do I specify what DE to load with startx? I don't have a ~/.xinitrc
[17:37] <dab_> mnemon: How do I enable it then?
[17:37] <zykotick9> MadsRC: create an .xinitrc and add "exec i3" or whatever the i3 command is...
[17:37] <MadsRC> Thanks, lemme try :)
[17:38] <MadsRC> Worked, thanks!
[17:38] <pobric> which ubuntu is lts ??
[17:39] <zykotick9> pobric: 12.04 right now, 14.04 will be next
[17:39] <pobric> which ubuntu is lts ??
[17:39] <pobric> which ubuntu is lts ??
[17:39] <pobric> ok thanks
[17:39] <Galup> do you help for me? y am french
[17:39] <mnemon> Galup: go to #ubuntu-fr
[17:39] <dab_> Guys help? How do I enable  wifi in Ubuntu
[17:40] <Galup> oui mais je n'y arrive pas
[17:40] <Galup> ok thank you very much
[17:41] <pobric> can I run the ubuntu 12.04 on 1.8ghz processor 512 mb ram 40 gb hdd ?
[17:41] <mnemon> dab_: are there any hardware switches and/or key combinations for enabling it on your machine? i'd check the compatibility of your wifi adapter with ubuntu ... it should show up in lshw if it's 1. enabled 2. there's a module for it loaded
[17:41] <MonkeyDust> pobric  12.04 and the next will be 14.04, in april
[17:42] <MonkeyDust> pobric  try it with a live usb or dvd
[17:42] <zykotick9> !requirements | pobric
[17:43] <zykotick9> pobric: with 512MB RAM... it'd try lubuntu (not sure if it's a LTS release or not?)
[17:43] <pobric> is lubuntu have libre office like mint or ubuntu ?
[17:45] <pobric> is lubuntu have libre office like mint or ubuntu ?
[17:46] <MonkeyDust> pobric  it's in the repos
[17:47] <seanh__> Anyone know how I can bind F1 to a custom keyboard shortcut? (Ubuntu 13.10) The problem seems to be that F1 is bound to Help in the settings app, so if I press F1 to try and choose the key as a binding, it opens Help
[17:48] <seanh__> If I could unbind F1 from Help in the settings app, that might work, but I don't see how
[17:48] <SonikkuAmerica> pobric: Not by default, no. AbiWord and Gnumeric are installed by default. You can install Libreoffice via the Lubuntu Software Center, Synaptic Package Manager, or [ sudo apt-get install libreoffice ] in terminal.
[17:51] <dab_> mnemon : thanks.  looks like there is some problem with the wifi switch. Though its still on, I dont seem to see any led flashing. Does this have anything to do with incompatibility?
[18:01] <havv> I'm trying to install qbittorrent on Xubuntu 13.10, I've added the ppa and latest version there is 3.1, but I keep getting 3.0.11... Why is that?
[18:04] <nightdemon666> anyone else in here instead of working while earning about $30 an hour!?
[18:05] <MonkeyDust> nightdemon666  wrong channel
[18:08] <nightdemon666> lol @ MonkeyDust
[18:09] <Rory> havv: Can you please show me the output of the command "sudo apt-get update"
[18:09] <Rory> Please paste the full output onto http://paste.ubuntu.com and share the URL in this channel
[18:11] <havv> Rory: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6607007/
[18:12] <riqdiiz> MonkeyDust: hi
[18:12] <genii> !schedule
[18:13] <genii> Hm.
[18:14] <lotuspsychje> genii: what are you searching?
[18:14] <genii> lotuspsychje: The factoids differ from #ubuntu to #ubuntu+1 , in this case the #ubuntu one is correct and the #ubuntu+1 one is still saying Saucy
[18:15] <genii> Will adjust shortly, after my lunch
[18:15] <Rory> wow havv I have not a clue :s
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> genii: cool, good to know you work on factoids
[18:16] <kostkon> havv, they haven't actually managed to build the package for 13.10. it says there were build failures https://launchpad.net/~hydr0g3n/+archive/qbittorrent-stable/+packages
[18:17] <kostkon> havv, maybe wait until they sort it out
[18:17] <havv> kostkon: oh :/ I'll use Transmission for now I guess
[18:17] <kostkon> havv, it shouldn't take that long
[18:17] <havv> I have some problem with opening magnet linkes with 3.0
[18:18] <kostkon> havv, have you tried deluge
[18:18] <lotuspsychje> havv: did you copy paste the magnet link then paste into 'open url'?
[18:19] <havv> lotuspsychje: yes, but I want chromium to open them using qbittorrent by default
[18:20] <havv> I looked it up and it seems there's some issue with xdg-open
[18:20] <lotuspsychje> havv: ive seen some sites are different on that
[18:20] <havv> I tried editing the xfce_open function, but it didn't do
[18:20] <seanz> hitsujiTMO: Greetings. dpkg --purge <kernel-version> was the magic command. :)
[18:21] <seanz> hitsujiTMO: It even calls update-grub for me, which is a bonus.
[18:21] <lotuspsychje> havv: most sites open transmission (firefox) for me, but some sites dont
[18:21] <seanz> Or something about the purge process does, probably the postrm maintainer script.
[18:21] <havv> kostkon: nope, never heard of it. I'll check it out
[18:22] <havv> lotuspsychje: that's weird, but I think in FF there are some preferences where you can choose how to open certain mime types
[18:23] <lotuspsychje> havv: indeed, but some sites just dont like it :p
[18:24] <lotuspsychje> i just letting you guys know ubuntu 14.04 alpha 1 is out, for those who want to try #ubuntu+1
[18:28] <MonkeyDust> lotuspsychje  it's not for plain ubuntu, iirc
[18:28] <MonkeyDust> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule
[18:28] <dj_> how  can i use internet on ubuntu server 12.04 lts as i have to login my usrname and password details in my ISP's home page in order to use internet...pls help me out
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: testversions right?
[18:29] <smallfoot> Should /boot/efi be on sda1, sda2 or sda3 or where?
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> !efi | smallfoot
[18:29] <SonikkuAmerica> smallfoot: It should be on whatever is your EFI partition (verify that using parted or GParted, it's the FAT32 partition you see)
[18:29] <smallfoot> Yeah, I read that. It didn't mention if it should be sda1 or sda2
[18:30] <smallfoot> Yeah, I don't have any EFI partition, so I have to create one
[18:30] <SonikkuAmerica> smallfoot: Do you have a GPT partition table?
[18:30] <smallfoot> SonikkuAmerica, I don't know
[18:31] <lotuspsychje> dj_: maybe try an text base browser, like links2 ?
[18:31] <SonikkuAmerica> smallfoot: Does you computer have a Windows 8 logo on it?
[18:31] <hitsujiTMO> smallfoot: whats the output of sudo fdisk -l
[18:31] <smallfoot> SonikkuAmerica, no, I built it myself
[18:31] <lotuspsychje> !info links2 | dj_
[18:31] <SonikkuAmerica> smallfoot: Then do as hitsujiTMO said.
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> imghost: you helped davinia few days ago
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> imghost: just saying tnx for your help, and she fixxed it with a bios setting, now shutdown normally
[18:32] <smallfoot> hitsujiTMO, fdisk -l have no mention of either mbr or gpt
[18:33] <Guest38625> why is opera not in the ubuntu repos
[18:33] <hitsujiTMO> smallfoot: can you pastebin the output so i can make sure. sounds like you've mbr partition then
[18:33] <lotuspsychje> !info opera
[18:34] <MonkeyDust> !find opera
[18:34] <xangua> Guest38625: opera.com when you install it, it adds it's own deb repository
[18:34] <Rashad> Hello. I am at this page http://www.ubuntu.com/download/server and I can't choose.
[18:34] <Rashad> I want to run a Node.js app on my server.
[18:34] <hitsujiTMO> Guest38625: because who uses opera? but yeah, like chrome, opera has it's own repo
[18:35] <Guest38625> xangua, thanks - but was it removed for some reason ?? or is there just not a version for saucy
[18:35] <smallfoot> hitsujiTMO, http://pastebin.com/NwQ8jQnW
[18:35] <MonkeyDust> Rashad  then go for 12.04, as it is LTS
[18:35] <Rashad> Should I choose 12.04 or 13.10 ?
[18:35] <jacob__> is there anyway to increase the sensativity of my wifi card?
[18:35] <lotuspsychje> opera was very popular years ago
[18:35] <Guest38625> hitsujiTMO, some use opera and why remove choices ??
[18:35] <hitsujiTMO> smallfoot: you have mbr so you cannot use a uefi install
[18:35] <Rashad> MonkeyDust: I won't benefit from the new features?
[18:35] <smallfoot> hitsujiTMO, I see
[18:36] <kostkon> Opera is chromium based now
[18:36] <MonkeyDust> Rashad  I don't know what you want, so hard to say
[18:36] <Rashad> What do the new features do?
[18:36] <Rashad> In a nutshell.
[18:36] <xangua> kostkon: not the linux version that i am aware
[18:36] <Rashad> Why are they good?
[18:36] <smallfoot> hitsujiTMO, if I empty the disk and disable CSM in BIOS, and re-install Ubuntu, it will be with GPT and UEFI?
[18:36] <hitsujiTMO> Guest61817: its not a case of removing choice. there's most likely licensing isuues when including opera in the main repo. Just install from opera.com. it will add the opera repo
[18:36] <kostkon> xangua, hmm
[18:36] <jacob__> is there anyway to increase the sensativity of my wifi card?
[18:36] <Rashad> ?havana
[18:37] <hitsujiTMO> smallfoot: it should yes.
[18:37] <smallfoot> hitsujiTMO, I see, thanks
[18:37] <lotuspsychje> Guest38625: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[18:37] <smallfoot> hitsujiTMO, are there any benefits of using UEFI over UEFI with CSM in legacy BIOS mode? I know GPT supports 2+ TB disks and that MBR does not.
[18:39] <hitsujiTMO> smallfoot: not of the benefits that uefi bring do not exit in most systems. for dual booting, its much harder to control who gets to be the boot loader
[18:39] <paws> when i do apt-get update i see Hit http://repo.zabbix.com and i dont see that repo in my sources.list
[18:40] <smallfoot> hitsujiTMO, so which do you think is better? UEFI or legacy BIOS?
[18:40] <hitsujiTMO> smallfoot: paws is it in /etc/apt/sources.list.d?
[18:40] <hitsujiTMO> smallfoot: are you dual booting?
[18:40] <smallfoot> hitsujiTMO, yes, or plan to
[18:40] <hitsujiTMO> smallfoot: what OSs?
[18:40] <genii> paws: It's probably in some file under the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/  where the PPA go for instance
[18:41] <lotuspsychje> jacob__: your wifi disconnects?
[18:41] <smallfoot> hitsujiTMO, probably will be Ubuntu 13.10 (and/or daily-build/alpha of 14.04) and Windows 8.1
[18:41] <jacob__> yes its a very weak signal from upstairs
[18:44] <hitsujiTMO> smallfoot: its a difficult choice. but i'd prob go with uefi considering 8.1 is involved and that can have issues on mbr installs it seems. the main thing ithat you will have an issue with in uefi is that any update to the bootloader or kernel will trigger a reinstall of the bootloader to the efiboot manager, which results in that OS being put first on the list. So you may find yourself having to bring up the uefi boot manager more often th
[18:44] <hitsujiTMO> an not
[18:44] <smallfoot> I see
[18:45] <smallfoot> hitsujiTMO, will Ubuntu daily-builds work fine with UEFI too, or will have to wait until stable releases for things to get signed and work?
[18:46] <hitsujiTMO> smallfoot: yes it will. the main thing to do tho is to modify GRUB_DISTRIBUTION in /etc/default/grub for each ubuntu install and rerun grub-install. otherwise they'll both show up in the uefi boot menu as just "ubuntu" and you won't know which is which
[18:46] <smallfoot> I see
[18:47] <smallfoot> hitsujiTMO, can Windows 8 be run with UEFI enabled, but SecureBoot disabled?
[18:47] <hitsujiTMO> smallfoot: yes
[18:47] <smallfoot> oh good
[18:47] <smallfoot> hitsujiTMO, and Ubuntu can be run with either SecureBoot enabled or disabled?
[18:47] <hitsujiTMO> smallfoot: yes
[18:48] <Wilsonb2> Howdy
[18:48] <Wilsonb2> What is the best way to complelty backup xubuntu running on a mini pc stick Arm 7?
[18:48] <smallfoot> hitsujiTMO, I don't see SecureBoot really bringing anything worth to the table though... so question is whether to have SecureBoot enabled or disabled
[18:48] <hitsujiTMO> smallfoot: you cant run windows with secure boot enabled anyway on your system since you prob don't have a MS key in the uefi since its not an OEM build
[18:49] <smallfoot> hitsujiTMO, I see. I got a Asus Z87-Pro motherboard, I bought it from a store and built a computer. I thought the Microsoft key would be pre-loaded from Asus factory?
[18:50] <hitsujiTMO> unlikely, its a OEM requirement only
[18:50] <nabocu> hello everybody.
[18:50] <Wilsonb2> Hi
[18:50] <smallfoot> hitsujiTMO, I see. I was aware it was a OEM requirement for carrying the Windows 8 logo. I thought all motherboards would have the key pre-loaded anyway though
[18:51] <hitsujiTMO> smallfoot: Some do, but not all
[18:51] <smallfoot> I see
[18:51] <nabocu> I am sitting at a computer running Ubuntu 12.04 LTS and I am trying to get the DVD drive running. Nothing changes when I put in a DVD.
[18:52] <nabocu> trying to mount /dev/cdrom returns "mount: no medium found on /dev/sr0"
[18:52] <MonkeyDust> nabocu  no icon appears?
[18:52] <nabocu> MonkeyDust: nope
[18:53] <smallfoot> hitsujiTMO, which do you think is good, UEFI with SecureBoot enabled, or UEFI with SecureBoot disabled, or UEFI with CSM for legacy BIOS support?
[18:54] <hitsujiTMO> smallfoot: uefi with secureboot disabled is what i generally go with.
[18:54] <nabocu> MonkeyDust: I think I have found the issue. It works fine with a different disc, so it appears to be the disc and not the drive
[18:54] <nabocu> darn
[18:54] <smallfoot> hitsujiTMO, I see. Thanks!
[18:54] <nabocu> Is it possible the drive can't read DVD-R?
[18:55] <hitsujiTMO> nabocu: possibly if its an older drive. some of the original dvd drives could only read either + or - not both
[18:56] <nabocu> hitsujiTMO: It is an LG GDR8164B
[18:58] <nabocu> cd-info only says it can read DVD-ROM
[18:58] <hitsujiTMO> http://www.lg.com/au/burners-drives/lg-GDR-8164B-dvd-rom-drive seems to be ok on all formats. must be the disk
[18:59] <nabocu> hitsujiTMO: thanks a lot. now I have to try on a different computer
[18:59] <hacker> hi
[19:00] <hacker> i am hacker
[19:00] <hacker> i will take ur systum
[19:00] <hacker> dead givaway
[19:00] <smallfoot> but i run ubuntu
[19:00] <DJones> hacker: Well thats not very nice, please don't make comments like that
[19:01] <hacker> i eat ribs
[19:01] <hacker> with this dude
[19:01] <hacker> bitch
[19:01] <DJones> hacker: ok, but do you have an Ubuntu support question, you may want to check the channel topic
[19:02] <MonkeyDust> hacker  if you manage to hack linux, please do write a blog about, can't wait to read how you did it
[19:02] <imghost> Me too
[19:02] <IdleOne> commenting on the stupidity of others with equally stupid remarks is best not done in here.
[19:05] <Joit> so what genius messed up the last update, that the api from nvidia dont match anymore and the xserver is messed up
[19:05] <Joit> congrats guys
[19:06] <andyfied> thanks?
[19:06] <andyfied> i tried my best
[19:10] <nabocu> gnaaaah, now it ate my disc
[19:10] <roots9> fresh ubu 12.04 install on aspire v3 - if i use touchpad all system freeze? any ideas what to do?
[19:10] <nabocu> the drive's LED is always on now, the button doesn't do anything anymore and "eject" in terminal returns "can not eject! unfitting I/O control for device"
[19:12] <kostkon> roots9, the system or just your mouse pointer?
[19:13] <roots9> all system
[19:13] <Wilsonb> What is the best way to complelty backup xubuntu running on a mini pc stick Arm 7?
[19:13] <MonkeyDust> Wilsonb  rsync is fast
[19:14] <Wilsonb> I used a flashing tool in Windows to inztall it
[19:14] <roots9> kostkon i can use the usb mouse and keyboard, if i try to use the touchpad i have to reboot (all system freeze:|))
[19:17] <kostkon> roots9, before "rebooting", you haven't actually described what you are doing exactly, it wouldn't hurt to try to go into tty, by pressing ctrl+alt+f1 to f6. if that works, try checking your logs in /var/log. eg. nano /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[19:18] <kostkon> roots9, although you could just download the iso again, and reinstall. you could also, try the latest version, 13.10 as well
[19:19] <eldios> Hi guys, I just did a server upgrade from lucid to precise but python remained at version "2.7.4-2+lucid1"
[19:20] <eldios> I need python 2.7 installed, but I want the precise version to be installed
[19:20] <eldios> any hint on how to make the switch?
[19:20] <nabocu> got a pin now
[19:20] <imghost> !python
[19:20] <imghost> !info python
[19:21] <TheLordOfTime> !info python precise
[19:21] <eldios> that package version is installed
[19:21] <eldios> but if I try to remove the "2.7.4-2+lucid1" version
[19:21] <kostkon> roots9, there are a lot of questions like this on askubuntu though http://askubuntu.com/questions/58885/trackpad-touchpad-not-responding-on-an-acer-aspire-5333-2880-how-can-i-get-it.  check the related ones on the right
[19:21] <eldios> it chain-remove many others
[19:21] <TheLordOfTime> eldios: sudo apt-get install python2.7 maybe?
[19:21] <eldios> and tries to install python-3
[19:22] <eldios> TheLordOfTime: it says that it's already installed and doesn't need to be updated (and if you look the lucid version is actually more up-to-date 2.7.4 vs 2.7.3)
[19:23] <kostkon> eldios, lucid had 2.6, precise is using 2.7
[19:23] <eldios> kostkon: well it seems that somebody installed the 2.7-lucid version from a 3rd party repo
[19:24] <eldios> but I also had python2.6 installed
[19:24] <eldios> on lucid I mean
[19:25] <eldios> after the update from lucid to precis it kept three packages
[19:25] <eldios> python2.7, python2.7-minimal and redis-server
[19:25] <kostkon> eldios, reenable the repo, adjust its line to point to 12.04 instead, sudo apt-get update and apt-get upgrade?
[19:25] <roots9> thx kostkon it's the 2-nd reinstall and same problem, i'll start digging on askubuntu
[19:26] <kostkon> roots9, try with 13.10
[19:26] <eldios> kostkon: good hint
[19:32] <guite> hi everyone, can anyone help to do a "mount -t ecryptfs", it's asking me a lot of questions on which I don't have a precise answer
[19:32] <guite> but I can telle you that I let ubuntu install encrypt my partition with default parameters
[19:32] <guite> *tell
[19:33] <Kalel> guite: What kind of question?
[19:34] <jhutchins> guite: Perhaps there is more you should know about working with encrypted filesystems before you try.
[19:35] <Kalel> agreed..
[19:36] <guite> Kalel: http://pastebin.com/s7qmyKQ2 this kind :)
[19:36] <eldios> apt-get install python2.7=2.7.3-0ubuntu3.4 python2.7-minimal=2.7.3-0ubuntu3.4
[19:36] <eldios> did the trick
[19:37] <guite> jhutchins: agreed too, didn't have much choice in fact ;)
[19:37] <fr4n_> yooo people
[19:38] <eldios> cheers thanks ^_^
[19:39] <Kalel> guite: Are you sure the passphrase you had inserted is the right one?
[19:39] <afidegnum> hello, pls I have enabled boost, varnish, and memecash on my  website and teh adsense ads are no more display, I am confused, can you please check at your end if the same situation is happening ? here is the url... http://www.mynicestore.com
[19:39] <Kalel> guite: You could just accept the question..
[19:40] <patmaddox> Hi I'm using monit to start and stop a unicorn process. starting it is fine, but monit can't seem to stop it. My command is   stop program = "/bin/kill -s QUIT `cat /a/jukely-api/current/tmp/pids/unicorn.pid`" with timeout 90 seconds    and if I run the command from the command line, it works immediately, but with monit I get a "'unicorn' failed to stop" and the process keeps running. Any ideas?
[19:41] <guite> Kalel: yes, passphrase is right, my keyboard is correctly mapped and no caps lock... I'll try with copy paste just in case
[19:42] <Kalel> guite: Yes. And if is the first time you're mounting, just accept with 'yes'.. You will, maybe, be able to mount..
[19:46] <fr4nc15c0> hey guys
[19:47] <dytobrj> hello
[19:47] <fr4nc15c0> i need help with ubuntu, is this the right place?
[19:48] <TheLordOfTime> fr4nc15c0: yes this is the right place.  ask your question
[19:48] <fr4nc15c0> i got used of windows, i decided to install ubuntu in my laptop
[19:48] <TheLordOfTime> fr4nc15c0: ask the question concisely without abusing enter or multiline pastes.  For multiline pastes if you need them, use a !pastebin
[19:48] <fr4nc15c0> but i can't decide between the 12.04 lts and the 13.10
[19:48] <fr4nc15c0> oh, sorry
[19:49] <guite> Kalel: yes on which question ?
[19:49] <TheLordOfTime> fr4nc15c0: here's my suggestion on deciding:
[19:49] <guite> Kalel: I tried default/yes for each question
[19:49] <dytobrj> or both, chances are you searching forums and specific channels for linux
[19:49] <TheLordOfTime> fr4nc15c0: do you want stability, or more "recent" software versions?
[19:49] <fr4nc15c0> i've heard 13.10 got a lot of bugs, but its the latest one.
[19:49] <Kalel> guite: And?
[19:49] <fr4nc15c0> of course i want stability
[19:49] <guite> Kalel: not better :(
[19:49] <TheLordOfTime> fr4nc15c0: i should have rephrased... stability at the sacrifice of more recent version(s) of programs is generally LTS from my uses
[19:50] <glitsj16> patmaddox: perhaps this might help --> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12461432/monit-will-not-stop-script-with-kill-command
[19:50] <guite> Kalel: but... I realize that its saying operation not permitted
[19:50] <guite> Kalel: wtf, I'm on booting from de install cd
[19:51] <guite> (woops, my english)
[19:51] <guite> Kalel: I'm booting from ubuntu install cd
[19:51] <fr4nc15c0> TheLord0fTime: i don't mind having an older version, as long i dont get a fc or something. so you would suggest me the 12.04?
[19:51] <Kalel> guite: Heh.. Yes its probably the problem ( sure it is.)
[19:52] <Beldar> fr4nc15c0, Good to know is 12.04 is a long term release 5 years support, you can upgrade to 14.04 in april another LTS is needed.
[19:52] <guite> Kalel: How can't I be permitted to do whatever I want, I did "sudo -s"
[19:52] <Beldar> if*
[19:53] <fr4nc15c0> also, i will use it for android development, so i need maximum stability for this
[19:53] <Kalel> guite: Is the encryption..
[19:53] <kostkon> fr4nc15c0, or just install 13.10 and upgrade to the next lts, ie 14.04 in 4 months
[19:54] <kostkon> time*
[19:54] <fr4nc15c0> i think i will just install the 12.04 for now, and then upgrade it to 14.04
[19:54] <Kalel> guite: In the same way you cannot mount an ordinary encrypted partition in your hard drive.
[19:54] <fr4nc15c0> well, thanks for the help guys!
[20:01] <ice9> I changed the cursor theme to black from the unity tweak tool but it's not working correctly
[20:02] <MonkeyDust> ice9  like: invisible?
[20:03] <ice9> MonkeyDust, on most areas it's the white theme, sometimes shows the black
[20:04] <MonkeyDust> ice9  guess it's for better visibility: white on a dark background and vice versa
[20:05] <MonkeyDust> ice9  try to change it back with your theme manager
[20:06] <patmaddox> glitsj16: that helps immensely, thank you! :)
[20:06] <glitsj16> ice9: it might be related to x windows (or parts) That
[20:06] <glitsj16> ice9: .. that don't get what you've set as preference
[20:07] <glitsj16> patmaddox: very welcome
[20:08] <zykotick9> ice9: if you try a non-compiz based DE, I'd bet your cursor theme would work as expected...
[20:08] <glitsj16> ice9: the alternatives system has an entree you might try: just set it to the same theme as in your gnome preferences, i believe it's called x-cursor-theme
[20:12] <fernando_> hola
[20:15] <ali> hi
[20:16] <Guest92997> yes
[20:17] <Guest92997> ali
[20:23] <Wilsonb> IcePee:
[20:23] <fatjon> hi all. i hava ubuntu 13.10  and cant get skype. what can i do?
[20:23] <teeco_> Anyone take a crack at solving this Chromium riddle?
[20:23] <teeco_> http://askubuntu.com/questions/393517/lubuntu-why-wont-chromium-to-run
[20:24] <xangua> !skype | fatjon
[20:29] <smallfoot> Why isn't Skype in Ubuntu Software Store?
[20:30] <MonkeyDust> smallfoot  because it belongs to some enterprise in redmond
[20:31] <MonkeyDust> smallfoot  guess you can find it, if you activate the 3rd party repo
[20:31] <YOURBESTFRIEND> skype is proprietary software, please don't use it
[20:31] <YOURBESTFRIEND> it does not respect your freedom
[20:32] <smallfoot> yes skype sux
[20:32] <gordonjcp> why do people use skype anyway?
[20:32] <smallfoot> to watch gurls boobies
[20:32] <MonkeyDust> because they have the freedom to use proprietary software, i guess
[20:33] <glitsj16> teeco_: in my chromium there isn't a Preferences folder either, but it's a file: -rw-------  1 glitsj16 glitsj16 107626 Dec 19 05:02 Preferences .. and to make sure it isn't a permissions issue, you can try to make a fresh folder anywhere under your /home, make sure you give it the permissions you want and feed that as default config folder to chromium in its start command (--user-data-dir=DIR switch)
[20:33] <alexandrite> i wish for skype to improve their preferences :(
[20:34] <alexandrite> guys
[20:34] <alexandrite> why doesn't chromium work on youtube?
[20:35] <Wilsonb> Using Vino vnc server in xubuntu since Teamviwer wouldnt(get error saying it only works for i386) .. works great but, cant figure out how to get it runng before log in. Menning, I turn on the T428 mini Pc stick and it boots up with vino server running before login
[20:35] <teeco_> @glitsj16 thanks for the tip
[20:36] <glitsj16> teeco_: something you can at least fiddle with, would be my first cracked riddle :p
[20:36] <teeco_> glitsj16: haha def worth a shot!
[20:37] <gordonjcp> Wilsonb: could you set the user to auto login?
[20:38] <teeco_> @glitsj16: just so strange that this is happening on fresh, new installsof lxde, lubuntu and xubunutu that I've tried so far. And on fresh, new ubunutu servers
[20:40] <teeco_> @glitsj16: for kicks, I installed lubuntu on Virtualbox running on my windows pc and chromium works totally fine.
[20:40] <glitsj16> teeco_: strange indeed, do you get this with different versions of chromium?
[20:40] <Beldar> alexandrite, Did you install the restricted extras, in regards to chromium and flash?
[20:41] <alexandrite> Beldar, I think I installed flash
[20:41] <alexandrite> Beldar, what are the restricted extras?
[20:41] <teeco_> glitsj16: hmmm, i haven't tried different versions. Just did apt-get install lubuntu. which comes loaded with chromium. On the other desktop environments I did apt-get chromium-browser. Not sure how to get other versions
[20:42] <Beldar> alexandrite, That is not an answer to my question, and I think mens nothing. ;) The restricted extras installs flash some other codecs and a choice of ms fonts.
[20:42] <Beldar> means*
[20:42] <alexandrite> Beldar, package names?
[20:42] <alexandrite> What's the name of the package for flash?
[20:43] <Wilsonb> @gordonapj - I dont see a place to set account to autologin
[20:43] <Beldar> alexandrite, ubuntu-restricted-extras  feel free to do some of this your self we exspect to to to some extent.
[20:43] <Beldar> alexandrite, Carefully read the posts, I said where flash was.
[20:44] <Wilsonb> gordonjcp: dont see that option
[20:44] <alexandrite> Hmm?
[20:44] <glitsj16> teeco_: i know of one PPA that seems quite reliable, it offers the latest dev version so that might throw other issues in your riddle mix --> https://launchpad.net/~saiarcot895/+archive/chromium-dev .. be sure you have ppa-purge onboard to be able to fall-back if things go irie
[20:45] <glitsj16> teeco_: i'm not sure it is a chromium issue though, so that might be overkill
[20:45] <xangua>  alexandrite for flash only, flashplugin-installer
[20:46] <lenzeor> Hello there. I have a question regarding the Ubuntu installation. I want to dual-boot Windows XP and Ubuntu 12.04 and the installer is dong an excellent job. When I am prompted to set up partition size in the ubuntu installer, there's this slider. Cool, but which side is Ubuntu and which side is XP?
[20:46] <alexandrite> xangua, installed :)
[20:46] <gordonjcp> Wilsonb: what exactly are you trying to do?
[20:47] <Beldar> lenzeor, You recognize that XP is not far from end of life right? and a rather precarious ms OS.
[20:47] <alexandrite> $ whereis flashplugin-installer
[20:47] <alexandrite> flashplugin-installer: /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer
[20:47] <bbqroast> Hello?
[20:47] <glitsj16> teeco_: the error you get when strating it from cli, Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display.. askubuntu, google, many different proposed fixes, seems quite random,hence difficult to pin down
[20:47] <glitsj16> *starting
[20:47] <lenzeor> Beldar, I know I know. 7 is too ressource intensive (and harder to pirate) though.
[20:48] <bbqroast> Hello, I've got Ubuntu Sever 12.04 and have just moved 120GB to a external disk mounted under /media/usb/. The move happened immediately, but as neither disks could move that fast how long should I wait before removing the disk?
[20:48] <Beldar> lenzeor, If you are running a pirate XP that is even more dangerous, and even metionong this can get you in trouble here.
[20:49] <Wilsonb> Either use gnome sharing or vino vnc server at bootup of mini pc stick, without having to log in locally to start service
[20:50] <Beldar> mentioning*
[20:50] <lenzeor> Beldar, I need Windows for work. My hardware is too slow for 7. What's your recommendation?
[20:51] <Beldar> lenzeor, For what?
[20:51] <gordonjcp> lenzeor: I've heard that windows 7 is faster than XP if you stick in enough memory
[20:51]  * gordonjcp has been playing with XP at work, it works about as well as Ubuntu 12.04 on the same hardware
[20:52] <lenzeor> I really dont want to buy 7
[20:52] <gordonjcp> sorry, not XP, Win 7
[20:52] <gordonjcp> the one that looks like KDE, is that windows 7?
[20:53] <lenzeor> depends on the version of KDE youre talking about
[20:53] <lenzeor> :)
[20:54] <Toyraztory> Hello, wHat is the terminal like for accessing home directory?
[20:55] <areckx> cd
[20:55] <areckx> just type cd and it'll bring to home dir
[20:55] <areckx> or cd ~/
[20:56] <Toyraztory> thankyou!
[20:58] <Beldar> lenzeor, If your work is important to you then running a legit safe OS seems to be a priority, it would be for me anyway.
[20:58] <lenzeor> Yes youre right
[20:58] <lenzeor> Ill try if the software I need works in a VM
[20:59] <Spirality> Question. How would one make a bootable Ubuntu USB stick? I'm not looking for an install. The instructions I follow result in the USB still asking to install to my computer when I boot from it.
[20:59] <Spirality> Wow, that wording is tricky.
[21:00] <Spirality> I seem to have broken the USB stick I tried it with.
[21:00] <Guest96985> Is it me or is the internet excessively laggy tonight?
[21:00] <Beldar> lenzeor, I have the advantage of being a college student so all my MS purchases of OS's have been incrementally small, the only real regular priced app was word
[21:00] <Spirality> When I boot from it, it says something about killing init! and then panic occurring.
[21:01] <Iriez> Beldar: Belgarath is looking for you
[21:01] <Iriez> and so is polgara fyi
[21:03] <Beldar> Iriez, Heh I have studied comparative myth, it is all the same. ;)
[21:03] <Iriez> one of my favorites btw.
[21:03] <mintux> Hi there . does anyone know about  fit-PC3 or mini-pC? can i use it as small home server ? doesn't damage ? or get hurt because it should be always ON ? any experience ? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0088XENK4/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A3J2VUK9571N8X
[21:03] <Iriez> Im a wheel of time addict.
[21:05] <chonguilhos> hello. I have a dell latitude, with a fresh ubuntu 12.04 lts install. i can see the audio sliders, but i got no sound, at all
[21:06] <chonguilhos> sound testing dont show nothing
[21:06] <Beldar> !sound | chonguilhos
[21:06] <chonguilhos> thanks
[21:09] <Beldar> mintux, short of anyone having used either this is a poll, the channel does not support polling. Research it on the web with the server of your choice.
[21:09] <mintux> ok
[21:10] <glitsj16> teeco_: http://askubuntu.com/questions/220504/how-to-make-chromium-browser-start-on-vnc-display has another take on your issue .. it suggests trying 2 different chromium profiles
[21:11] <chonguilhos> well, on the troubleshooting all steps are ok, the card is detected by the system, the module is installed, isnt muted, alsamixer volumes are all way up, pulse audio on desktop slider all up, sound configuration with volume on 100%. still no nsound
[21:12] <chonguilhos> im considering aplay something.wav would have sound
[21:12] <Beldar> chonguilhos, I would look on askubuntu with that exact computer model and dell...etc as far as sound problems.
[21:13] <Beldar> or specific hardware
[21:13] <chonguilhos> on phones it worked, tested right now
[21:14] <chonguilhos> on pullse audio configs it changes to phone input and its all right. microfone works also
[21:14] <chonguilhos> but removing the phones theres nothing, ill search askubuutnu
[21:14] <Beldar> chonguilhos, Sound problems are not real common here, so specified web searching would be what I would do while waiting, this probably is not just experienced by you alone.
[21:18] <BluesKaj> chonguilhos, which audio chip, aplay -l
[21:19] <reconmaster> what is the best way to maintain software in your home directory? just replicate the headings in /* into /home/* ?
[21:21] <SteveBell> hi all. beginners question about formatting a partition on a big drive. one partition is ext4 and 2tb. that should stay, second partition on that drive is currently ext4 and should be formatted to ntfs, ok if data is gone. is that possible?
[21:21] <reconmaster> like binary software installation, are developers rigourous enough that I can just keep extract their /bin /share /lib files directly into my home directory?
[21:21] <MonkeyDust> SteveBell  gparted can do it or fdisk, if you prefer the cli
[21:22] <SteveBell> so right clicking and format in the file manager won't work?
[21:22] <aslamK> Hi, all. Having trouble with apt-key/gpg. Symptom: apt-get started warning of NO_PUBKEY even though the keys are there; 'apt-key list' begins with: "gpg: keyblock resource `/etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d//webupd8team-y-ppa-manager.gpg': resource limit"  Any ideas?
[21:30] <teeco_> glitsj16: thanks! That looks like it might solve my issue
[21:30] <teeco_> glitsj16: I'll also give that other dev a shot. Appreciate the help!
[21:31] <Beldar> SteveBell, This in internal or external drive?
[21:31] <Beldar> an*
[21:32] <glitsj16> teeco_: very welcome, i donate the prize to your charity of choice .. although i don't know any that might appreciate cracked riddles
[21:32] <SteveBell> external
[21:32] <ice9> how to force a certain app to use the global menu?
[21:32] <SteveBell> Beldar want to start gparted but dash won't react to my clicks might have to restart…
[21:33] <Beldar> SteveBell, How big is the drive, and is it to be plugged in and read by other than a Linux OS?
[21:33] <pulsar78> how do we check progress for checking an md5sum ?
[21:33] <bekks> pulsar78: We dont. We just wait until we get the md5sum.
[21:34] <pulsar78> bekks: i already have the checksum
[21:34] <Beldar> ice9, name the app to begin with, and whether it is a cli app.
[21:35] <ice9> Beldar, its the tor browser, so firefox
[21:35] <Beldar> ice9, You downloaded this and just extracted it?
[21:35] <stefanaus> ciao
[21:36] <ice9> Beldar, yes
[21:36] <stefanaus> !list
[21:36] <[Gentoo]> ciao
[21:36] <[Gentoo]> !list
[21:37] <stefanaus> ciao
[21:37] <glitsj16> ice9: if the app has no support for the global menu it i don't think you can force it, but there is a var you can try at least, add UBUNTU_MENUPROXY=1 before the app's start command
[21:37] <Beldar> ice9, Not sure myself I use the gnome shell, I think it can be incorporated into to the OS so that it appears in the menu, just a guess though.
[21:37] <ubuntutis> i need help should i configure for phpmyadmin with dbconfig-common
[21:38] <Beldar> ice9, Personally I would leave it out of the OS, and a user only, not in the root install.
[21:38] <deadmund> Is there a media library manager that I can use to browse video files similar to how e.g. banshee will pull out artist and title and stuff from my messy music folder?
[21:38] <ice9> glitsj16, didn't work
[21:38] <SteveBell> Beldar:  3TB: 2TB and 1TB partitions. currently it is ext4, but maybe NTFS is better since then I could (maybe?) read that partition from oS X as well (which would be awesome, because I need to write a ton of files to it what come from os x)
[21:39] <Beldar> SteveBell, Ah, my concern was a windows read as usb plugins in windows only read a ntfs if the first partition.
[21:40] <casey> Question: How can I install JRE?
[21:40] <Beldar> SteveBell, all my externals are ntfs.
[21:40] <MonkeyDust> !jre
[21:40] <glitsj16> ice9: i believe the firefox-globalmenu package might be worth a shot, although since 13.04 that's quite empty, what version of ubuntu are you running ?
[21:40] <Beldar> SteveBell, I don;t use any apple OS however.
[21:42] <SteveBell> Yes, no native NTFS support as expected but tools exist
[21:42] <SteveBell> and much easier than getting access to an ext drive
[21:42] <SteveBell> sorry ext partition
[21:42] <dk0r_> With 13.10, is it necessary to blacklist nouveau after installing proprietary drivers via the 'Additional Drivers' utility ?
[21:42] <SteveBell> so NTFS and ext partition on the same drive are no issue?
[21:42] <deadmund> dk0r_: No, not always, but it usually helps to guarantee that the correct driver is loaded.
[21:43] <glitsj16> ice9: looks like it the firefox-globalmenu package only contains a changelog and a copyright file, not much there either i'm afraid
[21:45] <xangua> "The Tor Browser developers recommend against installing any add-ons in TBB which they haven't audited." says a comment on http://www.webupd8.org/2013/12/tor-browser-bundle-ubuntu-ppa.html ice9
[21:45] <Kron> is there a version of bumblebee that depends on nvidia-331?
[21:45] <dk0r_> deadmund: thanks. I installed 319 via the 'Additional Drivers' gui but are reboot 'lsgw -c video' said I was still using nouveau.
[21:45] <pulsar78> thats not really strange now is it ?
[21:45] <deadmund> dk0r_: Then definitely blacklist nouveau or uninstall it temporarily
[21:45] <hitsujiTMO_> kron: steamos is not supported here ;P
[21:46] <Beldar> SteveBell, You might ask in a apple channel would be my recommendation, I see at least 3 that have enough users that you will probably get a quick answer.
[21:46] <Kron> is 331 a steamos driver or something?
[21:46] <hitsujiTMO_> yes
[21:46] <andyfied> heh, software updated just died
[21:47] <andyfied> mm, looks semi serious, will brb
[21:47] <dk0r_> deadmund: yeah, I blacklisted via /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf and set nomodeset in kernel line but system would not boot.
[21:47] <hitsujiTMO_> kron: currently steamos is the only distro that supplies it
[21:47] <Kron> oh. I saw it in xorg-edgers.
[21:47] <Calinou> xorg-edgers is a PPA, not supported here
[21:47] <hitsujiTMO_> Kron: ppas arent supported here either. they should supply a version of bumblebee if its required
[21:48] <Beldar> SteveBell, With 3 terrabyte that would be a gpt partition table, in general ext and ntfs are fine on the same HD, I would check on access on those channels is all.
[21:49] <hitsujiTMO_> from: btw, there's lost of issues with 331 and optimus atm, so might not be worth the upgrade
[21:49] <deadmund> dk0r_: Then your card / system doesn't support that video driver :(
[21:49] <SteveBell> Beldar the access ntfs partition part is fine. the question is just how I get that second partition from ext to being ntfs. gparted was suggested. I see http://cl.ly/image/2R082O451s2y
[21:49] <bekks> SteveBell: Delete it, recreate it.
[21:49] <SteveBell> bekks but which partition to delete?
[21:50] <SteveBell> and delete from where? gparted or file manager?
[21:50] <Beldar> SteveBell, gotta unmount it to do it, you can change it or delete and bulid one.
[21:50] <bekks> SteveBell: The one you want to be ntfs.
[21:50] <Beldar> build*
[21:50] <dk0r_> deadmund: hm. The (old) card, an 8400GS is noted as being supported in the driver documentation. Perhaps I'll try that ppa user repo.
[21:51] <MonkeyDust> Kron  from the launchpad page: "For questions and bugs with software in this PPA please contact xorg crack pushers."
[21:51] <deadmund> dk0r_: You know more than I do about it at this point.  Ask in the #nouveau channel
[21:51] <Kron> okay!
[21:51] <SteveBell> wtf, again I can't click on the dash?!? just restarted because of that.
[21:52] <Beldar> SteveBell, unmount the swap then the sda1 and change it.
[21:52] <Calinou> dk0r_, 8000/9000/100/200/300/400/500/600/700/TITANs are supported by the mainline NVIDIA driver
[21:52] <Calinou> nouveau supports all cards pretty much, but slowly
[21:53] <SteveBell> so the partition is called "backup" I unmounted that partition. can I now select "format" from the file manager right click options?
[21:53] <PR1M3-1NST1NCT> is there a apt-get install that can install firefox with flashplayer
[21:54] <bekks> PR1M3-1NST1NCT: apt-get firefox flash-plugin
[21:55] <PR1M3-1NST1NCT> not found
[21:55] <dk0r_> deadmund: thanks. Calinou: Perhaps the issue is due to my 8400GS being a pci adapter, Not vga/pci-e device ??
[21:55] <bekks> PR1M3-1NST1NCT: What not found?
[21:55] <Caveat4U> bekks: Couldn't find the package
[21:55] <KI7MT> PR1M3-1NST1NCT, Both are in the repos, FF should already be installed. for Flash, go to SW Center, Click on Canonical Partners then Install Flash.
[21:55] <MonkeyDust> PR1M3-1NST1NCT  apt-cache search flashplugin, then install the appropriet package
[21:55] <PR1M3-1NST1NCT> I have it dosent work
[21:56] <bekks> Caveat4U: PR1M3-1NST1NCT: a full error message helps, not just one random line.
[21:56] <bekks> PR1M3-1NST1NCT: Pastebin the entire output of that command please.
[21:56] <SteveBell> wow this is really strange. I keep ending up not being able to type anything. known ubuntu bug on old netbooks?!?
[21:56] <SteveBell> off to another restart
[21:56] <hitsujiTMO_> PR1M3-1NST1NCT: flashplugin-installer
[21:57] <PR1M3-1NST1NCT> still didnt work
[21:57] <PR1M3-1NST1NCT> hitsujiTMO_
[21:58] <bekks> PR1M3-1NST1NCT: what didnt work? did you pastebin the entire error message yet?
[21:58] <PR1M3-1NST1NCT> No ill do it again for the 6th time one sec
[21:59] <hitsujiTMO_> PR1M3-1NST1NCT: whats the output of: cat /etc/issue
[21:59] <PR1M3-1NST1NCT> BackTrack 5 R3 - 64 Bit \n \l
[21:59] <PR1M3-1NST1NCT> that may explain why
[21:59] <hitsujiTMO_> PR1M3-1NST1NCT: :P
[21:59] <KI7MT> Indeed ..
[21:59] <bekks> PR1M3-1NST1NCT: Then please seek the backtrack support. This is Ubuntu support only.
[22:00] <PR1M3-1NST1NCT> well i have and it didnt work so i came here
[22:00] <PR1M3-1NST1NCT> but ok
[22:01] <Caveat4U> bekks: They still use a lot of the same cannonical repos
[22:01] <bekks> Caveat4U: And Ubuntu still doesnt support Backtrack :)
[22:02] <bekks> !backtrack | Caveat4U
[22:02] <Caveat4U> And backtrack doesn't support beginners
[22:02] <Caveat4U> bekks: You aren't supporting Backtrack, you are simply helping him add a software source, apt-get update, apt-get install
[22:03] <PR1M3-1NST1NCT> agreed, but I have installed flash player before on backtrack but there is a glitch in Backtrack R3
[22:03] <PR1M3-1NST1NCT> rather a bug
[22:03] <Caveat4U> you might want to forget flash player
[22:03] <Caveat4U> Use VLC instead
[22:03] <Beldar> Caveat4U, backtrack is eol
[22:03] <hitsujiTMO_> Caveat4U: that is support. And how are we supposed to know the name of the package if we don't use it ourselves
[22:03] <bekks> Caveat4U: I am not doing that. This is Ubuntu support. If he is using Backtrack, then the backtrack support is in charge. It isnt an official derivate, thats more than enough for not supporting it in here.
[22:04] <andyfied> turns out that wasn't so serious :D
[22:04] <Caveat4U> hitsujiTMO_: It's the same package, all he needs is the source added to source.list
[22:05] <hitsujiTMO_> Caveat4U: I don't know that. I don't use backtrack. That's one of the many reasons why its not supported here
[22:05] <Caveat4U> hitsujiTMO_: It's the exact same style, where else is he supposed to go?
[22:06] <bekks> Caveat4U: to the kali-linux support.
[22:06] <bekks> !backtrack | Caveat4U
[22:06] <Caveat4U> bekks: Yup, saw it
[22:06] <Caveat4U> bekks: We aren't supporting backtrack
[22:06] <PR1M3-1NST1NCT> kali-linux dosent support backtrack 5 sadly
[22:06] <Caveat4U> PR1M3-1NST1NCT: I know
[22:06] <bekks> Caveat4U: Correct. And we dont discuss that ;)
[22:06] <PR1M3-1NST1NCT> so backtrack 5 users are fucked pretty much
[22:06] <PR1M3-1NST1NCT> but its cool
[22:07] <Caveat4U> PR1M3-1NST1NCT: just try installing the VLC plug-ins for firefox - that's what I did
[22:07] <IdleOne> !language
[22:07] <PR1M3-1NST1NCT> lol ok
[22:07] <KI7MT> Go anywhere but the Ubuntu channel, as BT and it's offspring are nothing to do with Ubuntu an any way.
[22:07] <SteveBell> Beldar: so this is where I'm at: http://cl.ly/image/0M0T2X413V2E not sure how to proceed. file manager or gparted?
[22:08] <SteveBell> and which partition to select
[22:08] <surxenberg> hello
[22:08] <surxenberg> i can't install AMD's fglrx driver on debian testing. i'm using the newest one from amd.com and it says 'dkms part of installation failed'
[22:08] <Caveat4U> KI7MT: bekks: hitsujiTMO_: OK - I conceed - I just feel bad since I've been in his boat before, and it's hard to get any kind of support. I apologize for misusing the #ubuntu channel
[22:08] <surxenberg> ( yes i know this is #ubuntu but maybe ubuntu has the same problem)
[22:08] <kostkon> !debian | surxenberg
[22:09] <PR1M3-1NST1NCT> thanks Caveat4U
[22:09] <kostkon> surxenberg, anyway, this channel is ubuntu only
[22:09] <KI7MT> Caveat4U, its a real easy solution, if you want Ubuntu channel support, Install an official Ubuntu Release :-)
[22:10] <hitsujiTMO_> surxenberg: #debian is only one command away: /join #debian
[22:10] <Caveat4U> KI7MT: yup - honestly PR1M3-1NST1NCT, backtrack is extremely advanced and really easy to screw up accidentally
[22:11] <PR1M3-1NST1NCT> I know im familiar with BT5 but not BT5 there is a known bug which makes an error that im havin
[22:11] <PR1M3-1NST1NCT> BT5 R3 rather
[22:11] <ice9> what is the development channel for Ubuntu?
[22:11] <suhib> hi
[22:11] <SteveBell> Beldar: MonkeyDust any of you know how I can change that existing partition from ext to ntfs?
[22:11] <hitsujiTMO_> ice9: which dev channel are you looking for there's multiple?
[22:12] <ice9> hitsujiTMO_, the main ubuntu dev
[22:12] <Caveat4U> stefcc: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[22:12] <Caveat4U> #ubuntu-devel
[22:14] <BluesKaj> ice9, #ubuntu-devel
[22:14] <KI7MT> ice9, there's a boatload of different Buntu-devel channels, if ya log in to the channel, the welcome message give a fare bit of info on the channel's intended purpose.
[22:21] <teeco_> I've got an interesting issue for anyone that is up for a challenge. Fresh install of LXDE and a fresh install of Lubuntu, both on new VPS servers with Ubuntu 12.04 64 bit. For whatever reason, chromium will not run. Even though it comes packed in Lubuntu. Details here for anyone interested in taking a crack. Will buy beer :) http://askubuntu.com/questions/393517/lubuntu-why-wont-chromium-to-run
[22:23] <hitsujiTMO_> teeco_: any output if you try to launch chromium from the terminal ?
[22:24] <teeco_> hitsujiTMO_: yeah, I get this, which I think is actually unrelated: Xlib extension “RANDR” missing on display ":1"
[22:24] <teeco_> see here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/393517/lubuntu-why-wont-chromium-to-run
[22:25] <KI7MT> teeco_, just for background info, this a remote VPS and is a monitor of any sort physically attached to the box ?
[22:25] <SteveBell> does anybody know if file manages formating should be working at all with a 2 partition drive and only one partition being changed?
[22:27] <teeco_> K17MT: correct, remote vps. No monitor attached to the VPS. Also, I tried with xrdp and same issues
[22:28] <hitsujiTMO_> teeco_: actually i think it is part of the problem: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18940380/xlib-extension-randr-missing-on-display-1 can you pastebin the fill trace. You may be missing some sort of display support the app is expecting. maybe try a different vnc server
[22:30] <teeco_> hitsujiTMO: Thanks! I tried with xrdp and had the same results. Should I try something else?
[22:30] <hitsujiTMO_> teeco_: issue is mentioned here too http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15829633/google-chrome-cant-run-in-xvfb-because-extension-randr-missing
[22:31] <hitsujiTMO_> teeco_: yeah i'd try something else, but i'm not familiar with vnc at all so can't make any suggestions
[22:32] <teeco_> hitsujiTMO_ yeah, i'm not familiar with others either. time to learn i guess :)
[22:32] <KI7MT> teeco_, Another option using VNC: https://t3n.zendesk.com/entries/20646106-Steps-to-Install-a-Headless-GNOME-GUI-Desktop-on-Ubuntu-Server-and-Then-Remote-Control-Server-Deskto
[22:32] <KI7MT> You any also want to consider FreeNX
[22:34] <teeco_> KI7MT: It looks like it's recommending TightVNC, which is what I'm currently using. I should try vnc4server, but not familiar with it
[22:35] <KI7MT> teeco_, well, if your going to remote administer a VPS, you really need to understand everything that's happening, so no better time than the present to increase your knowledge base :-)
[22:39] <yorwos> hey guyz i have this question
[22:40] <KI7MT> teeco_, Im not sure the reason you would want / need a full desktop on a server, but Webmin may offer some functionality that skips the Desktop overhead problems.
[22:41] <kostkon> yorwos, we are waiting
[22:41] <yorwos> software & updates drivers say i got a radeon hd 6370M/7370M while i have a HD5450 , should i leave as is ? everything works fine (i have changed to fglrx-updates and still all fine)
[22:41] <yorwos> im after fresh install
[22:41] <kostkon> yorwos, they probably share the same driver so i guess you are fine
[22:42] <yorwos> yeah , but those r M models, i guess for netbooks or laptops thats why i wonder
[22:42] <c_korn> hello, one question: trying to install fontforge:i386 on amd64 there is the error fontforge:i386 : Depends: fontforge-common:i386 (= 20120731.b-3ubuntu1) but it is not installable . well, but there is no i386 version of the package. fontforge-common is Architecture: all . and the version of fontforge-common installed is already 20120731.b-3ubuntu1
[22:43] <kostkon> yorwos, just ignore it if everything works fine
[22:43] <KI7MT> yorwos, If it isn't broke, dont fix it :-) .. but seriously, with Graphics, if there isn't a pressing need to upgrade to a specific driver and all is well at present, it's best left to it's own devices.
[22:43] <hitsujiTMO_> c_korn: whats the output of: apt-cache policy fontforge-common:i386
[22:43] <SteveBell> how can I format a partition from ext to NTFS on a two partition drive?
[22:44] <KI7MT> SteveBell, gparted is a nice GUI based tool for that task.
[22:44] <bekks> SteveBell: start gparted, unmount all used partitions, format the desired partition with the fs desired.
[22:44] <yorwos> im getting into video editing though ,,,, pf
[22:44] <yorwos> hope i wont run into problems
[22:44] <c_korn> hitsujiTMO_: http://pastebin.ca/2515832
[22:44] <aslamK> 'apt-get update' complains of NO_PUBKEY even though the keys are there. 'apt-key list' spits out gpg "resource limit" msg. Need help troubleshooting.
[22:44] <yorwos> waiting for lightworks stable
[22:44] <kostkon> yorwos, which app have you chosen to be your video editor
[22:44] <teeco_> KI7MT, thanks for the link. I'll check out webmin, though not sure it'll work for our purposes. Need employees to RDP to a desktop that looks familiar to them
[22:44] <kostkon> yorwos, oh, nice then
[22:45] <fatjon> i have dual boot ubuntu 13.10 with windows 7. when i star ubuntu from the drug meno it tanke some  time. what can i do for runing faster it at start up?
[22:45] <bekks> !webmin | teeco_
[22:45] <hitsujiTMO_> c_korn: can you pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:46] <KI7MT> teeco_, I doubt Webwin would be the right choice for normal user Desktop interaction, but could certainly help on the sysadmin side of the house.
[22:46] <yorwos> another question plz , is there a neater way to get a directory list like ls |more       (not like list but single column)
[22:46] <Fou> is it really a big jump to upgrade to 13.10
[22:46] <Fou> ?
[22:46] <bekks> KI7MT: webmin will help you break your system, nothing more.
[22:46] <fatjon> i have dual boot ubuntu 13.10 with windows 7. when i star ubuntu from the drug menu it tanke some  time. what can i do for runing faster it at start up?
[22:46] <andyfied> teeco_: i had issues with webmin, vino is installed in ubuntu by default i believe
[22:46] <c_korn> hitsujiTMO_: http://pastebin.ca/2515833
[22:47] <yorwos> so many questions come here heh nice
[22:47] <KI7MT> bekks, I disagree but, there's lots of opinions out there. I've used allot in the past. SSH and command line can break the system too, if you dont know what your doing.
[22:47] <andyfied> teeco_: i got vino working well with tightvnc from windows
[22:47] <hitsujiTMO_> c_korn: localhost:3142 ??? you badly mirroring?
[22:47] <teeco_> maybe I can run tightvnc without dynamic resizing, though I'm not sure that's the issue. XRDP doesn't resize and still have the same issues with chromium
[22:48] <bekks> KI7MT: webmin is certainly know to break debian/ubuntu systems. Recommending it then isnt a good choice.
[22:48] <teeco_> andyfied, cool, i'll check it out
[22:48] <yorwos> how could i get a directory structure alike ms-dos of dir /p   with ls ? ive tried ls|more but i get no details on the files
[22:48] <c_korn> hitsujiTMO_: this is a schroot and I make use of apt-cacher-ng. it is mapped to http://mirror.informatik.uni-mannheim.de/pub/linux/distributions/ubuntu/
[22:48] <SteveBell> KI7MT: bekks I need to reformat that partition called "backup" but I#m unsure what to make of gparted: http://cl.ly/image/3s2w0h2a0R07
[22:48] <bekks> KI7MT: webmin handles config files differently, it opens up security leaks, it has issues of breaking services when configuring them.
[22:49] <andyfied> webmin doesn't really give you an idea what it is doing in general. i assumed it would give me some options when i built my raid with it. didn't get them so ended up just using mdadm, which is super easy
[22:49] <bekks> SteveBell: you have only one ext partition there.
[22:50] <andyfied> but thats one of the reasons i didn't like it, then it started doing odd things to my system
[22:50] <KI7MT> bekks,  Ok, the horse is dead, nuff said.
[22:50] <teeco_> For anyone else that may know how to resolve chromium issues on remote desktop environment, could really use the help. Thanks! Full details here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/393517/lubuntu-why-wont-chromium-to-run
[22:50] <hitsujiTMO_> c_korn: the file is on your main mirror so I presume your apt-cacher is broken
[22:50] <andyfied> vino is working well enough for me right now, but i'll be poking xserver at some point
[22:50] <fatjon> i have dual boot ubuntu 13.10 with windows 7. when i star ubuntu from the drug menu it tanke some  time. what can i do for runing faster it at start up?
[22:52] <SteveBell> bekks: confused. so you mean data1 and backup are not ext4?
[22:52] <bekks> SteveBell: I dont see "data" and "backup" there.
[22:52] <c_korn> hitsujiTMO_: well, at least it passed the checksum checks when installing. but I can disable the mirror to be sure.
[22:52] <bekks> SteveBell: I can see one ext4 partition, one extended, and one swap.
[22:52] <SteveBell> left side under "Geräte"?
[22:52] <SteveBell> devices
[22:53] <MonkeyDust> fatjon  disable unnecessary services and try these tips https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4653463/ubuntu_speed.txt
[22:53] <bekks> SteveBell: you have to click on them to see the content...
[22:54] <SteveBell> bekks. yes I do see content. but then what?
[22:54] <fatjon> ok
[22:55] <bekks> SteveBell: Then you have to decide wether is is the filesystem you want to format as ntfs.
[22:56] <SteveBell> uedLWP
[22:56] <Smashcat> Anyone know when the installer for Ubuntu will be able to handle >2TB disks without crashing out?! It's 2013, not 1985 :)
[22:56] <bekks> SteveBell: What does "uedLWP" mean?
[22:56] <SteveBell> well bekks so you mean double click in gparted or finder?
[22:56] <SteveBell> wrong chat
[22:57] <bekks> SteveBell: In your file manager, you can see that devices to. Use it to look at the contents, decide which device is holding the partition you want to reformat.
[22:57] <hitsujiTMO_> Smashcat: have you booted the installer in bios or uefi mode?
[22:59] <Smashcat> hitsujiTMO: Yep, it can't create a RAID1 array using >2TB partitions. Complains about MSDOS maximum size and crashes out. Same as it has for years. I'm surprised nobody has bothered fixing it. I'm just going to create the RAID manually after install, same as always :)
[23:00] <mir_> hello
[23:00] <adac> any ideas what the intellij apt package name is?
[23:00] <bekks> Smashcat: It isnt fixable. If you have partitions larger than 2TB, use GPT label instead of MSDOS label.
[23:00] <yorwos> brb
[23:00] <hitsujiTMO_> Smashcat:  """"Complains about MSDOS maximum size and crashes out."""" you've booted in bios mode. you must boot in uefi and install as that
[23:00] <SteveBell> bekks maybe I'm totally off here but what I see in gparted does not match up to what exists. there's an internal hdd in the netbook (guess thats 230gb) and an 1 ex. hdd with 2 partitions (2tb and 1Tb) currently I don't see how that matches up with the gparted info
[23:01] <bekks> SteveBell: why dont you just start gparted and select another device, in the top right corner?
[23:01] <Smashcat> hitsujiTMO_: Not sure what you mean - this server will only boot one way. It was using 3TB disks fine under Windows 7. Ubuntu has never worked properly with large disks in the partitioner, as far as I know though
[23:02] <fatjon> MonkeyDust. i paste this
[23:02] <KI7MT> Maybe be worth pastebinit an fdisk -l to see what all is there
[23:02] <bekks> Smashcat: Windows used a GPT label.
[23:02] <bekks> fdisk -l isnt capable of showing GPT contents.
[23:02] <fatjon> MonkeyDust. i paste the comand on terminal but dont teke afect
[23:03] <KI7MT> Im referrign to SteveBell  stuff
[23:04] <hitsujiTMO_> Smashcat: you need to to ensure you are booting as eufi so you can install onto a gpt partition. mbr doesn't support gpt at all. Windows uses a fake mbr when installing on gpt partitions
[23:04] <Smashcat> bekks: Well it doesn't matter, I just set it up after install, same as usual. Not sure why it's impossible for Linux to do the same as Windows really, but it doesn't matter
[23:04] <bekks> Smashcat: Because you have to label your disk as GPT, not as MSDOS.
[23:05] <Smashcat> bekks: Yeah what I mean is, there's no way to do that from the installer
[23:05] <blacklight> has anyone experiencing very high audio latency issues with audacity after the latest ubuntu upgrade in 13.10? audacity developers told me to blame ubuntu for that..
[23:05] <hitsujiTMO_> Smashcat: ubuntu doesn't do it because its a bad hack that can lead to many problems
[23:05] <blacklight> *is anyone
[23:05] <bekks> Smashcat: It is the default when booting using BIOS. Using UEFI, the default will be GPT.
[23:07] <Smashcat> bekks: Well I don't change anything after install, reboot and can set up the >2tB RAID1 array - have done on exactly the same hardware as this server a few times. It's only during the installer that it cannot handle large disks. I don't do anything in the BIOS between boots
[23:08] <bekks> Smashcat: Then, since you are using BIOS, the default is using MSDOS label.
[23:08] <Smashcat> bekks: Well how can the machine boot without a BIOS?
[23:09] <bekks> Smashcat: Do you know what UEFI is? :)
[23:09] <hitsujiTMO_> Smashcat: because it has uefi isntead of bios
[23:09] <Smashcat> bekks: Apparently not :) So the PC BIOS is circumvented and it uses a diffent ROM to boot?
[23:10] <lhz> Just got a new PC with Win7 preinstalled on a large SSD drive. First thing I did, was to shrink the Win7 partition to half size, then install Ubuntu 13.10 from USB. The installer didn't recognize Win7, so I added a new partition for Ubuntu and one for swap manually, then installed. I chose /dev/sda for boot loader installation. However, the computer just boots directly into Win7, Grub is never shown. What to
[23:10] <lhz> do?
[23:10] <bekks> Smashcat: Nope. BIOS isnt a ROM. BIOS is technically some software that is started from a ROM. UEFI is a different software.
[23:11] <Smashcat> Yeah, the BIOS is stored in ROM I know. So the UEFI is in a different part of ROM, or is remapped to the same address space during boot you mean?
[23:11] <KI7MT> Smashcat, UEFI background Info: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[23:11] <blacklight> any issue reported with Audacity and ubuntu 13.10 by anyone? am i the only one?
[23:11] <bekks> Smashcat: Forget about address spaces - thats an ancient relict.
[23:11] <Smashcat> bekks: All software uses address space :)
[23:12] <bekks> Smashcat: Remapping of address spaces is the relict, in fact.
[23:12] <bekks> Smashcat: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFI
[23:12] <SteveBell> bekks:  getting closer. changeing the drive was a good idea. I keep having the problem that when starting gparted for the second time I cannot authenticate.
[23:13] <awesomess3> I think using unetbootin to create a boot USB and then running the live USB might've corrupted my recovery partition for my Windows 8.0 OS. :'(
[23:14] <awesomess3> I was booting UEFI
[23:14] <bekks> awesomess3: Just booting will not damage anything.
[23:14] <awesomess3> In safe mode
[23:14] <awesomess3> oh ok
[23:14] <Smashcat> bekks: From what I read, Linux CAN use GPT disks from BIOS based systems. It jsut can't boot from them
[23:14] <bekks> Smashcat: Yeah. Thats why the installer dont let you create GPT labels in BIOS mode.
[23:15] <TLoFP> Hi guys, I installed Ubuntu and when I start the laptop it pops up with "An Error was detect. Do you want to report it?"
[23:15] <Smashcat> bekks: That doesn't make any sense. I'm not booting from the RAID1 array - it's there for data only.
[23:15] <Viking667> 'llo all.
[23:15] <Viking667> Well, I managed a minor miracle, thanks to grml.
[23:15] <glitsj16> blacklight: 13.10 uses pulseaudio 4 i believe, which uses timer-based audio scheduling, you might need to turn that off .. check if you have a line in your default.pa like load-module module-udev-detect and add tsched=0 ..restart pulseaudio and it might kick audacity in the right direction
[23:15] <hitsujiTMO_> Smashcat: then what are you booting from?
[23:15] <bekks> Smashcat: It perfectly makes sense. It is a safety precaution.
[23:16] <Smashcat> bekks: Safety for what? It is supported by Linux.
[23:16] <bekks> Smashcat: Safety for not leaving you with an unbootable system.
[23:16] <Viking667> a upgrade to 13.04 from 12.10 went bad - missed the kernel. I managed to get back into the system with grml, and installed kernel again, then rebooted. Whew.
[23:16] <bekks> Smashcat: If you want a GPT based RAID1 in BIOS mode, create it manually. The installer simply cant be used for all special use cases.
[23:16] <KI7MT> Logically speaking, there's not need for => 2TB /boot  put /usr /home whatever on it
[23:17] <Viking667> Now I'm in the midst of a 13.10 upgrade.
[23:17] <Smashcat> bekks: I'm not using the RAID1 as the boot device, or the root filesystem. It's a separate mount point. It doesn't affect boot up at all
[23:17] <bekks> Smashcat: It still is a special use case the installer isnt designed for,
[23:17] <Smashcat> bekks: Do you work on the installer? Or on the software at all?
[23:18] <bekks> Smashcat: No, why?
[23:18] <hitsujiTMO_> Smashcat: so you have another drive that that set as the primary booting device?
[23:18] <Smashcat> bekks: Wondering if you had insider info about their decisions
[23:18] <Viking667> lol. I made my /boot 200Mb.
[23:18] <bekks> Smashcat: If so, I wont announce them ;)
[23:18] <Viking667> I thought that was a reasonable size.
[23:19] <Smashcat> hitsujiTMO_: Yep, the boot/OS is on an SSD - the RAID1 device is for data storage (Samba use really).
[23:19] <hitsujiTMO_> Viking667: it is if you clean it after kernel updates
[23:19] <blacklight> glitsj16: even adding tsched=0 and restarting pulse, when i do playback in audacity i get tons of these messages on console:
[23:19] <blacklight> ALSA lib pcm.c:7843:(snd_pcm_recover) underrun occurred
[23:19] <KI7MT> Viking667, yup ,, my default installs are 500mb /boot .. has been for a long time :-)
[23:19] <bekks> Smashcat: Why dont you just manually create the RAID1 then?
[23:19] <Viking667> mmm.
[23:20] <Smashcat> hitsujiTMO_: The installer has been broken for years with RAID setup. Basically crashes out, and the install process needs to be restarted.
[23:20] <hitsujiTMO_> Smashcat: would have helped if you mentioned that earlier :P what's /dev/sda ?
[23:20] <bekks> Smashcat: It always worked for me. In standard use cases.
[23:20] <glitsj16> blacklight: do you use the lowlatency kernel ?
[23:20] <Viking667> I'm just gobsmacked my fiddling around managed to leave me without a kernel after an upgrade. I'd done some homework previously - removed all but the latest kernel, then ran the updater. I suspect I managed to do something wrong.
[23:20] <hitsujiTMO_> Smashcat: I mainly use debootstrap these days, unless its a simple system
[23:20] <Smashcat> bekks: I DO create them manually - I'm wondering why the Ubuntu team don't fix the bug that allows people to go through the process of specifying the partitions etc for the MD and then it crashes.
[23:20] <blacklight> glitsj16: how do i check that?
[23:21] <bekks> Smashcat: Not supporting a special use case isnt a bug, IMHO.
[23:21] <Smashcat> bekks: There is no "standard use" - everyone's different
[23:21] <Smashcat> bekks: setting up a RAID isn't a "special case" - I've been using them for 20 years
[23:22] <bekks> Smashcat: And since at least 15 years raid setups do work for me. Now what? :)
[23:22] <Smashcat> bekks: You're probably not doing it right then :)
[23:22] <TLoFP> I tried to install dropbox: it installed just fine, but when I try to open the application nothing happens. how can I troubleshoot this install?
[23:22] <bekks> Smashcat: Because I am not mixing label formats and boot modes? :>
[23:22] <KI7MT> Smashcat, most of have .. but RAID .. or  at least Hight Availability RAID is HW based anyway, which more often than no required loading the drivers at install.
[23:22] <glitsj16> blacklight: check your installed kernels through whatever interface you install apps, might be software center, synaptic, apt .. it is not installed by default and named linux-image-...-lowlatency instead of ...generic, i think you'd know if you had installed it
[23:23] <Smashcat> bekks: I don't think you understand what I'm doing. That's for the input though :)
[23:23] <bekks> Smashcat: Well, if you think so. I will not force you to get my knowledge. Good luck then.
[23:23] <Smashcat> hitsujiTMO_: Yeah, I'll try that one day, when I get time :)
[23:23] <blacklight> glitsj16: no i have 3.11.0-14-generic (installed via apt), should i use lowlatency?
[23:24] <Smashcat> bekks: Ok I try to manage without your knowledge - hehe
[23:24] <azerus> so... they got rid of the vga=ask parameter?
[23:24] <glitsj16> blacklight: ubuntustudio comes with lowlatency kernels by default i believe, might be a better alternative than vanilla ubuntu if you do a lot of audio editing
[23:24] <hitsujiTMO_> Smashcat: as a small suggestion, you chould remove the raid during the install
[23:24] <glitsj16> blacklight: hardware is still the biggest factor in play i think, but it's worth a shot
[23:25] <blacklight> glitsj16: that sounds like something new anyway...i never had issues with audacity until ubuntu 13.04, using the same hardware
[23:25] <GO|DFISH_> im going to fuck your mother while you watch and cry like little whiney bitch
[23:25] <Smashcat> hitsujiTMO_: Yep that's exactly what I always have to do. I just leave the RAID drives unconfigured, then set them up after rebooting
[23:25] <GO|DFISH_> im going to fuck your mother while you watch and cry like a little whiney bitch
[23:25] <DIL> oh my!
[23:25] <alecb_> pacmd shows muted: yes for my only sink -- how do I unmute it (running xmonad so standard ui is unavailable)
[23:25] <Smashcat> hitsujiTMO_: I just wish they'd either fix the installer, or remove the option to set up RAID devices if it's likely to crash during the install.
[23:26] <glitsj16> blacklight: i have never tried 13.10 for longer than 30 minutes, so i can't say anything usefull on that .. perhaps ask around in #ubuntustudio if you haven't already
[23:26] <bekks> !ops | GO|DFISH_
[23:26] <GO|DFISH_> !ops | yay
[23:26] <KI7MT> RASD1 is a waste of time & money anyway, if you really need RAID, 5,10 or 50, but a 2TB RAID1 is a failure waiting to happen.
[23:26] <KI7MT> RAID1
[23:26] <GO|DFISH_> everyone call !ops
[23:26] <GO|DFISH_> !ops
[23:26] <SteveBell> bekks got it. gparted is a little unintuitive. but I ow understand the idea and got that partition to NTFS. thanks for your patience!
[23:26] <FloodBot1> GO|DFISH_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:26] <Viking667> lol. Would -lowlatency be any good on a gaming computer or a Pentium Dual Core with 4Gb, 32-bit (so PAE a request too), and ATI HD3450?
[23:27] <SteveBell> ow=now
[23:27] <niko> GO|DFISH_: you should stop
[23:27] <Jimmie> Can anyone help me. Connect to my wifi router.
[23:27] <bekks> SteveBell: I guess its very intuitive. Choose the device, then do what you want :)
[23:27] <GO|DFISH_> niko: piko what up my boy
[23:27] <Viking667> depends on which fdisk.
[23:27] <GO|DFISH_> niko: kline me =D
[23:27] <niko> it's on my buffer
[23:27] <Viking667> ewps, wrong program.
[23:27] <GO|DFISH_> niko: yay
[23:27] <Smashcat> K17MT: Yes of course you're correct - the people who created the RAID standard didn't know what they were doing and should have asked you...
[23:27] <hitsujiTMO_> Smashcat: to be honest there's lost of issues with the partitioner, but its better than most. I've been reintroduced to the debian one lately and its awful. I would suggest filing a bug report on launchpad.
[23:27] <bekks> Some op please can make us get rid of that creature?
[23:27] <Viking667> GO|DFISH_: you upset too many more people, you won't just be K-lined.
[23:27] <GO|DFISH_> bekks: im going to fuck your mother while you watch and cry like little whiney bitch
[23:28] <bekks> :D
[23:28] <Smashcat> hitsujiTMO_: Yeah, I'm sure I mentioned it years ago. Not a big deal, just irritating. Meh
[23:28] <Viking667> hm. left...
[23:28] <KI7MT> Smashcat, I didn't say that, do your home work, then come educate us about how robust RAID1 is.
[23:29]  * Viking667 doesn't consider "RAID1" ... robust.
[23:29] <Smashcat> K17MT: You're speaking from a position of ignorance, and you clearly just want to argue and look big in front of people. I'm not interested in giving you my attention, thanks
[23:29] <bekks> KI7MT: I guess that discussion is pointless, since he thinks he knows better.
[23:30] <KI7MT> have a nice day :-)
[23:30] <Smashcat> bekks: You're assuming I don't also use RAID5 and RAID10 (and RAID 0+1)
[23:30] <bekks> Smashcat: I am not paying attention to you anymore, not even assumptions.
[23:30] <Smashcat> bekks: Thank you :)
[23:34] <troy2> anyone actually chatting?
[23:35] <Smashcat> Heh - sure!
[23:35] <troy2> I've been playing around w/ Linux recently. not ready to jump in with both feet but certainly seeing the potential.
[23:36] <troy2> far superior to windows. but I love my Mac!
[23:36] <Viking667> troy2: heh. I think I am.
[23:36] <Viking667> wow. I can't say about Mac, apart from the having to purchase OS X.
[23:37] <Viking667> To me, that puts Mac OS X into the same bucket as Windows. Upgrades would likely cost across major versions...
[23:37] <Viking667> do they?
[23:37] <bekks> Viking667: Not anymore.
[23:37] <Smashcat> Upgrades for OSX are all free
[23:37] <Viking667> wow. So you shell out once, and all upgrades after that are free?
[23:38] <bekks> Viking667: Yes.
[23:38] <Smashcat> You never "buy" OSX - it comes on the machine
[23:38] <Viking667> lol. If only Microsoft would do that for Windows.
[23:38] <Viking667> Smashcat: if it comes on the machine, then you're paying for it.
[23:38] <troy2> I have about 7 different Linux builds loaded into VMs while I experiment. any comments on preferences?
[23:38] <Smashcat> It's a different model. MS only make money from the software. Apple make money from hardware
[23:38] <Viking667> troy2: certainly Ubuntu. see what Fedora's like too. Those are the two mainstream ones, along with Debian.
[23:39] <awsation336> OSX is just more polished.
[23:39] <Viking667> in certain areas.
[23:39] <Viking667> I found it harder to do stuff there than I did in FreeBSD
[23:39] <CalabiYauManifol> hey
[23:39] <CalabiYauManifol> How can get rid of freaking empathy?
[23:39] <Smashcat> viking667: You're not really paying for it, as the hardware is what you're buying. The software is required to make it useable. It's like saying you want to buy a car without the firmware on the embedded microprocessors
[23:39] <hitsujiTMO_> CalabiYauManifol: you need to get rid of unity/gnome to get rid of empathy
[23:39] <Viking667> or buying a car without the leather on the seats, would be a better idea.
[23:39] <CalabiYauManifol> I used it and now it pops up everytime in the background doing something
[23:40] <KI7MT> Yeah, it's a different model alright, $$ making model, buy the car cheap, then get hammered to years for the gas (aka, Software / Applications)
[23:40] <Viking667> err, without the seats, rather.
[23:40] <CalabiYauManifol> what
[23:40] <CalabiYauManifol> no config?
[23:40] <CalabiYauManifol> it annoys the hell out of me
[23:40] <Smashcat> Viking667: No, it's exactly the same as a car without firmware, or a phone without firmware for that matter.
[23:40] <Viking667> mmmm.
[23:40] <hitsujiTMO_> CalabiYauManifol: may try removing empathys config from ~/.config
[23:40] <Smashcat> Viking667: You could say you're paying for Android, as it's on the phone, but you're not
[23:41] <Viking667> technically, I suppose you're paying for the vendor's tweaks to Android.
[23:41] <CalabiYauManifol> what if "yum remove empathy"?
[23:41] <CalabiYauManifol> is that possible?
[23:41] <Viking667> possibly.
[23:41] <Viking667> on a fedora/centos-based system
[23:41] <CalabiYauManifol> Yes I'm using fedora
[23:41] <CalabiYauManifol> you need to register to talk in their channel
[23:41] <hitsujiTMO_> CalabiYauManifol: this is ubuntu supprt
[23:42] <CalabiYauManifol> and I'm too lazy to do right now
[23:42] <Viking667> I think he knows that.
[23:42] <Viking667> CalabiYauManifol: sigh. Laziness. That only works so far, dude.
[23:42] <CalabiYauManifol> ^^
[23:42] <Smashcat> Viking667: Not even that - most contribute their code to Google as binary blobs - or drivers. It's an extra cost, but you cannot buy the software by itself, so it has no price. It's the difference between hardware and software companies. Samsung don't sell the software that runs their TVs either :)
[23:43] <CalabiYauManifol> Or how can I just deativate autostart?
[23:43] <CalabiYauManifol> deactivate*
[23:43] <Beldar> CalabiYauManifol, open startup applications and populate it and turn it off if there.
[23:44] <awsation336> i am still using ubu 10.04. too scared to do the upgrade to 12.04. have too many customizations, repos, etc. can any one recommend a way to add redundancy to the upgrade process ?
[23:45] <Viking667> uhm.... no?
[23:45] <Viking667> ...as I'm just working through update from 12.10 to 13.10. I've fixed one major faux-pas so far.
[23:45] <Beldar> CalabiYauManifol, run this to populate startup applications   sudo sed -i 's/NoDisplay=true/NoDisplay=false/g' /etc/xdg/autostart/*.desktop
[23:46] <CalabiYauManifol> ah wait
[23:46] <Smashcat> awsation336: Best way is to install fresh on a new disk, then move stuff across generally - it's painful to upgrade too much
[23:46] <CalabiYauManifol> I started it and deleted all accounts and so on
[23:46] <CalabiYauManifol> hope that works
[23:46] <CalabiYauManifol> anyway thx Beldar
[23:46] <Beldar> CalabiYauManifol, This is for ubuntu however not fedora
[23:46] <Beldar> CalabiYauManifol, dekeying accounts does not turn them off.
[23:46] <awsation336> thx smashcat.
[23:47] <Beldar> deleting*
[23:47] <Smashcat> awsation336: np
[23:47] <CalabiYauManifol> I mean it can't connect to an account now
[23:47] <Beldar> CalabiYauManifol, Ah in empathy yes, you can remove it using ubuntu tweak if needed.
[23:47] <CalabiYauManifol> ^^
[23:47] <CalabiYauManifol> whatever
[23:48] <CalabiYauManifol> why is empathy so ugly??
[23:48] <CalabiYauManifol> :((
[23:48] <Beldar> heh whatever to you.
[23:48] <CalabiYauManifol> ^^ as usual I expected that you can optimize the hell out of it
[23:48] <CalabiYauManifol> but no
[23:48] <CalabiYauManifol> :/
[23:49] <Beldar> what-evering help really motivates others to help you.
[23:49] <CalabiYauManifol> lol ok
[23:49] <CalabiYauManifol> ;)
[23:49] <KI7MT> Is there a question or problem in there somewhere ?
[23:49] <CalabiYauManifol> hhm
[23:50] <CalabiYauManifol> not sure
[23:50] <CalabiYauManifol> I guess not :)
[23:50] <james> help I need to get these videos to stop buffering
[23:50] <Viking667> hm. What is Empathy again?
[23:50] <CalabiYauManifol> more internet speed?
[23:50] <Home555> всем привет, кто-то говорит по-русски?
[23:50] <Beldar> !ru | Home555
[23:50] <CalabiYauManifol> it's a program where you can use icq/irc/some messenger stuff
[23:50] <Home555>  /join #ubuntu-ru
[23:50] <Viking667> Ahhh, I see. I use irssi+bitlbee for that.
[23:50] <Viking667> Home555: nyet.
[23:51] <CalabiYauManifol> I use irssi too
[23:51] <awsation336> +1 for irssi
[23:51] <Smashcat> Jesus, the 13.10 server edition of Ubuntu is really screwed :) haha. Think I'm better to install the desktop version, then change it to boot into command-line mode only. Tum te tum
[23:51] <CalabiYauManifol> best irc client in the history of irc clients
[23:51] <Guest37739> I have work to do on my other computer and my dad wants to watch something online but the video keeps buffering and it's not my internet because I have very good internet on my other computer works fine.
[23:51] <Beldar> !040 | Smashcat
[23:51] <awsation336> althought weechat is there as well
[23:51] <compdoc> sex?!!
[23:51] <CalabiYauManifol> lol
[23:51] <CalabiYauManifol> don't mess with ubottu !!
[23:52] <Guest37739> Can someone please give me some kind of fix for video buffering
[23:52] <Viking667> I tried weechat, wasn't entirely enamoured with it. it slowed down dramatically when there were more people in the channel.
[23:52] <Guest37739> I thought maybe it was iceweasel but it does the same on chromium
[23:52] <Beldar> Guest37739, sure a faster computer
[23:52] <Smashcat> I was talking about a character in a fairy story though!
[23:52] <CalabiYauManifol> you said Jesus?
[23:52] <Guest37739> Thanks beldar
[23:52] <Smashcat> Exactly
[23:52] <CalabiYauManifol> haha
[23:52] <Beldar> and downloads
[23:52] <awesomess3> jesus jesus jesus
[23:52] <Viking667> Guest37739: what are the computer specifications? i.e. CPU? Memory?
[23:53] <CalabiYauManifol> Jesus Christ he is serious^^
[23:53] <Guest37739> It's a thinkpad t61
[23:53] <Viking667> awesomess3: he's a great guy.
[23:53] <Viking667> hm.
[23:53] <Guest37739> It's just a computer I run linux on for whatever linux related work I have to do.
[23:53] <Beldar> must be twink hour
[23:53] <KI7MT> Buffering How? Encoding, Downloading, Playing what ?
[23:53] <Viking667> Guest37739: how much memory?
[23:53] <Guest37739> It's a live stream of a basketball game
[23:54] <Viking667> And, is it a t61p?
[23:54] <KI7MT> Fast computer not going to solve that, only Inet BW / Speed.
[23:54] <CalabiYauManifol> maybe you look at the configurations of the player you use
[23:54] <Viking667> Actually, if it's swapping, I'm wondering if that affects things.
[23:54] <CalabiYauManifol> or there is some menu somewhere
[23:54] <Guest37739> I'm using a browser
[23:54] <Guest37739> to play it
[23:55] <CalabiYauManifol> yep
[23:55] <CalabiYauManifol> maybe there is some menu
[23:55] <CalabiYauManifol> ehhrr
[23:55]  * Viking667 disappears...
[23:55] <CalabiYauManifol> lol?
[23:55] <CalabiYauManifol> look around if you can somewhere adjust the quality of the video
[23:55] <Guest37739> and it can't be my internet because I have never had to buffer for years
[23:56] <Guest37739> I did I put it on low and it goes on for awhile but just starts buffering again
[23:56] <CalabiYauManifol> hhm
[23:56] <Guest37739> I have nothing else running but chromium
[23:56] <CalabiYauManifol> try different browser?
[23:56] <Guest37739> I did I was on iceweasel but I thought maybe the buffering was an icewease issue but chromium does the same
[23:57] <CalabiYauManifol> ah ok
[23:57] <CalabiYauManifol> iceweasel lol
[23:57] <KI7MT> Guest37739, it not only your DL speed, but also the Outbound Pipe BW too, if there's 1000's of nodes connected DL-ing the Vid, thee too may be contributing to the problem.
[23:57] <Guest37739> it's not my download speed
[23:57] <CalabiYauManifol> well ok
[23:57] <CalabiYauManifol> thx and byebye
[23:57] <Gumby> Guest37739: he didnt say it was
[23:58] <Gumby> Guest37739: do all streams have the issue?
[23:58] <Guest37739> I don't know. There is only one stream for it.
[23:58] <Gumby> try another stream of something else
[23:59] <tinox> Anyone want to take a stab at solving this brain buster? Fresh install of lubuntu on remote VPS running Ubuntu 64 bit. Can't get Chromium to launch. I started a thread here but not getting any hits http://askubuntu.com/questions/393517/lubuntu-why-wont-chromium-to-run