| cell | I don't know | 00:03 |
|---|---|---|
| cell | Is there a reason that Xubuntu represents a better choice for a volunteer than another open-source project such as Wikipedia or Kde, just to name two alternatives? | 00:09 |
| knome | cell, better is subjective. if working with xubuntu scratches your itch, then it's the ideal/best choice for you | 00:11 |
| cell | i do not know anyone who uses xubuntu or for that matter linux besides myself and people i have corresponded with on the internet. | 00:14 |
| === xnox is now known as doko_ | ||
| knome | i didn't know anybody using xubuntu when i started contributing either | 00:15 |
| === doko_ is now known as xnox | ||
| pleia2 | reminds me, they use it for testing at mozilla, see: http://benjaminkerensa.com/2013/10/14/mozilla-summit-2013-santa-clara bkerensa said he'd put me in touch with the guy doing it | 00:16 |
| pleia2 | "It was also really cool to see some automated battery life testing for Firefox OS being doing on Xubuntu the XFCE Community-Driven Flavor of Ubuntu." | 00:16 |
| knome | cool :) | 00:16 |
| pleia2 | most of my work team uses it too, then they nag me "hey pleia2, you work on xubuntu, can you..." | 00:18 |
| knome | lol | 00:18 |
| knome | you can direct them to me | 00:18 |
| knome | and i can grumble for them | 00:18 |
| pleia2 | one of my colleagues uses a different window manager, wanted us to make it easier :) | 00:18 |
| knome | how does that make anything easier? ;) | 00:19 |
| pleia2 | er, make out switching out the WM easier | 00:20 |
| pleia2 | -out | 00:20 |
| knome | heh, okay... | 00:20 |
| pleia2 | I think he did something crazy like symlink the xfwm binary to the one he wanted | 00:20 |
| knome | >__< | 00:20 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 00:20 |
| knome | i guess if that works for them.. | 00:21 |
| Unit193 | Can't you just change xfce4-session? | 00:22 |
| Unit193 | xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-session.xml: <value type="string" value="xfwm4"/> | 00:22 |
| Unit193 | xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-session.xml- <value type="string" value="--replace"/> | 00:22 |
| cell | i like xubuntu. lately, the software manager has been crashing though. | 00:25 |
| pleia2 | Unit193: the obvious solutions weren't working well, I don't remember the specifics | 00:26 |
| pleia2 | I can't find that wiki page where we were putting interview ideas for our site | 00:27 |
| * pleia2 fails at wiki | 00:27 | |
| knome | pleia2, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing/Projects/XubuntuAt | 00:27 |
| pleia2 | knome: yep, saw that and totally didn't read it, thanks | 00:28 |
| Unit193 | Great, now I'm trying it. >_< | 00:30 |
| pleia2 | he uses xmonad | 00:32 |
| cell | one thing i'm grateful to xubuntu for is encouraging me to explore and use Xchat. there are a lot of channels out here. I used to play Wesnoth, but now I think I'd rather chat | 00:34 |
| Unit193 | pleia2: Yeah, I just switched to openbox, was pretty easy. Just edited /etc/xdg/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-session.xml and /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-session.xml, but don't think you need to edit both. | 00:43 |
| pleia2 | Unit193: try xmonad? | 00:43 |
| pleia2 | maybe it was something specific to the wm | 00:44 |
| Unit193 | Your fault if I can't figure out how to get out of it, sure. ;) | 00:45 |
| Unit193 | Erm, maybe in a VM. | 00:45 |
| Unit193 | Holy crap, what did I do to my desktop?! | 00:47 |
| Unit193 | He uses this by default? | 00:48 |
| Unit193 | I'm so confused, but it works fine, pleia2 . | 00:48 |
| knome | :) | 00:48 |
| pleia2 | haha | 00:49 |
| Unit193 | Note Note to self, pleia2 has bad ideas. :P | 00:51 |
| Unit193 | (Kidding!) | 00:51 |
| pleia2 | Unit193: I have passed along your suggestion! | 00:51 |
| pleia2 | < clarkb> pleia2: neat, that seems better than my hack | 00:51 |
| knome | why is he hiding! | 00:51 |
| pleia2 | not hiding, just working :) | 00:51 |
| knome | pleia2, that leaves us the question... what are *you* doing? | 00:52 |
| pleia2 | waiting for my code to compile? | 00:52 |
| Unit193 | pleia2: Heh, sure. Works fine here (well, as much as an unconfigured xmonad does.) | 00:52 |
| knome | a question mark? you are unsure? | 00:52 |
| pleia2 | knome: no one compiles code anymore, but the joke remains | 00:53 |
| knome | pleia2, no? | 00:53 |
| knome | :) | 00:53 |
| pleia2 | we all write in python! | 00:53 |
| Unit193 | Do we get to ask him how he uses xmonad? :P | 00:54 |
| pleia2 | you know sysadmins, their brains work weird | 00:54 |
| knome | a screenshot at least... | 00:54 |
| pleia2 | hah, I'll see what I can do | 00:55 |
| Unit193 | pleia2: If he doesn't use xfce4-session, another method is used. | 00:56 |
| knome | you? wouldn't it be easier to ask him to take the screenshot than try to sneak one? :P | 00:56 |
| Unit193 | But sure, glad to help | 00:56 |
| pleia2 | Unit193: ah, thanks, that may be the case | 00:57 |
| pleia2 | knome: we are actually working, need to stop distracting with random things :) | 00:57 |
| knome | go away then :P | 00:57 |
| pleia2 | hahah | 00:57 |
| knome | (and let me go to sleep) | 00:57 |
| pleia2 | go to sleep! | 00:57 |
| knome | (i can't go since i need to distract you as long as you get distracted) | 00:58 |
| Unit193 | If he's not using xfce4-session, then /etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc is the file to look at. | 00:59 |
| Unit193 | line 144/199 | 00:59 |
| Unit193 | # this is only necessary when running w/o xfce4-session | 01:01 |
| Unit193 | xsetroot -solid black -cursor_name watch | 01:01 |
| Unit193 | Weird... | 01:01 |
| brainwash | wouldn't an autostart entry do the trick? | 01:01 |
| Unit193 | xfce4-session/xfsm-fadeout.c: gdk_window_set_background (window, &black); so, does that mean xfce4-session sets the color too? | 01:08 |
| Unit193 | ali1234: Heh, I get the seemless login if I chmod -x xfce4-session and xsetroot. :D | 01:11 |
| Unit193 | So the black isn't actually the video card at least. | 01:15 |
| brainwash | xfsm-fadeout.c? | 01:16 |
| brainwash | it's that something different? | 01:17 |
| brainwash | like when you open the shutdown dialog | 01:17 |
| Unit193 | I just did a quick grep because of the comment, that may not be the right src file at all, but something in there seems to be doing it. | 01:18 |
| brainwash | I did not notice any black screen so far | 01:21 |
| brainwash | after login | 01:21 |
| brainwash | I just wish that we can push all the changes and start testing/enjoying them | 01:22 |
| Unit193 | All you need is two ppas to try it, in theory. | 02:26 |
| sergio-br2 | when i use 2 keyboard (portuguese and english, for example), there is no icon to change between them, in xfce panel? | 02:37 |
| Noskcaj | sergio-br2, Isn't that what the xkb plugin is meant to do? | 02:38 |
| sergio-br2 | i don't know... i mean something like in ubuntu unity | 02:38 |
| sergio-br2 | i included other language key, but there is no icon in panel. I have to Add this manually? | 02:39 |
| Noskcaj | install xfce4-xkb-plugin, then add it to the panel | 02:42 |
| Noskcaj | We probably need to advertise that xubuntu can do that better. Maybe even a "dual-languages" installer option | 02:43 |
| sergio-br2 | humm, it's already installed | 02:50 |
| sergio-br2 | so, it couldn't be automatic to add an xkb-plugin in top panel? | 02:51 |
| sergio-br2 | ohh yeah, now i understood, it can do that better even | 02:53 |
| sergio-br2 | hey, it has the country flag :D | 02:54 |
| bluesabre | elfy, forestpiskie: what details are you wanting on menulibre? | 03:19 |
| zero6688 | hi, anyone knows the default user name and password for xubuntu 14.04 a1 | 04:32 |
| zero6688 | when i run it via live cd, it asks me the username and password, but no one mentions it | 04:33 |
| Unit193 | Select the Xubuntu session too, and English language from the top right options, username is xubuntu and password is blank. | 04:34 |
| zero6688 | thanks | 04:35 |
| zero6688 | :) | 04:35 |
| sergio-br2 | see this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1261660/comments/4 | 04:35 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1261660 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "User session fails to accept settings" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 04:35 |
| sergio-br2 | if you forget this, you will enter in xfce session, instead of xubuntu session | 04:35 |
| zero6688 | looks nice than 12.04 ;) | 04:37 |
| sergio-br2 | Unity193, where can i track one bug from lightdm-gtk-greeter? | 04:37 |
| sergio-br2 | Noskcaj, do you know? | 04:38 |
| Noskcaj | sergio-br2, do you just mean subscribe to it? | 04:38 |
| sergio-br2 | i mean put it in iso.qa | 04:38 |
| sergio-br2 | or packages.qa | 04:39 |
| sergio-br2 | there is no test case for lightdm in xubuntu | 04:39 |
| zero6688 | actually i found that after type the username, i clicked "Enter", but it doesn't work, i need to press the "Login" button. | 04:40 |
| Noskcaj | sergio-br2, Maybe in a iso install test | 04:41 |
| Noskcaj | or write a test for it | 04:41 |
| sergio-br2 | zero6688, try to Tab to password, and press Enter. | 04:42 |
| zero6688 | ok | 04:43 |
| Noskcaj | sergio-br2, lubuntu have a lightdm testcase. I'll get someone to try and copy it to xubuntu | 04:43 |
| sergio-br2 | ok | 04:43 |
| zero6688 | i found the chinese translation is much better than previous versions | 04:43 |
| sergio-br2 | because i didn't know how to do it :) | 04:44 |
| Noskcaj | sergio-br2, For the gthumb website bug, can you contact upstream gthumb about it? | 04:46 |
| Noskcaj | or make a patch, which should be super easy | 04:46 |
| sergio-br2 | Noskcaj, i have to learn how to do that | 04:46 |
| Noskcaj | It's not enough reason to fail the test though | 04:46 |
| sergio-br2 | or to do an patch | 04:47 |
| Noskcaj | to make a patch for this, just find what file the website link is in and change it. | 04:47 |
| sergio-br2 | hum, ok, i will see that | 04:47 |
| sergio-br2 | maybe more easy mainstream? | 04:48 |
| Noskcaj | http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/patches-to-packages.html should have the full instructions | 04:48 |
| sergio-br2 | it's good for me | 04:48 |
| sergio-br2 | thanks | 04:48 |
| Noskcaj | When you get a patch made up, i'll have it into debian, ubuntu, and upstream within the week | 04:48 |
| Noskcaj | I've just contacted upstream about it, and i am the debian maintainer | 04:51 |
| Noskcaj | sergio-br2, do you know any programming languages? | 04:54 |
| sergio-br2 | yeah, a little, like C, java, matlab (gnu octave and scilab) | 04:56 |
| sergio-br2 | bash, a little too | 04:57 |
| sergio-br2 | and i want to learn python and C++ | 05:00 |
| Noskcaj | You're far better than i am then. Please patch whatever you can | 05:01 |
| Noskcaj | sergio-br2, Next time you test gthumb, would you mind trying to confirm bug 1240169? if it's still there, upstream will fix it | 05:03 |
| ubottu | bug 1240169 in gthumb (Ubuntu) "Find Duplicates does not use start directory from dialog" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1240169 | 05:03 |
| sergio-br2 | haha, ok, but i have to learn this patch thing | 05:03 |
| sergio-br2 | haha | 05:03 |
| sergio-br2 | interesting | 05:04 |
| Noskcaj | :) | 05:05 |
| Noskcaj | My simple guide to patching: 1. Do changes. 2. Run "dpkg-source --commit" 3. check header of patch. 4. "quilt push && quilt refresh && quilt pop" 5. commit and upload | 05:06 |
| Noskcaj | (if it's in a bzr branch) | 05:06 |
| sergio-br2 | :D | 05:07 |
| sergio-br2 | ok | 05:07 |
| sergio-br2 | the source is in gthum-dev? | 05:08 |
| sergio-br2 | i think yes | 05:11 |
| Noskcaj | sergio-br2, bzr branch lp:ubuntu/gthumb | 05:12 |
| Noskcaj | -dev adds headers for other packages building | 05:12 |
| Noskcaj | Does anyone think we should SRU gthumb? bug 1261589 | 05:12 |
| ubottu | bug 1261589 in gthumb (Ubuntu) "please update gthumb with last version in Ubuntu 13.10" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1261589 | 05:12 |
| sergio-br2 | i saw it, but i think it's invalid to trusty, non? | 05:13 |
| Noskcaj | yep | 05:13 |
| sergio-br2 | the trusty version is update | 05:13 |
| Noskcaj | I don't know how to nominate for a distroseries, so leave it for the time being | 05:17 |
| Noskcaj | lderan, FYI, gthumb is probably able to introspect properly | 05:18 |
| sergio-br2 | Noskcaj, i do dpkg-source --commit in ~/gthumb/ | 05:41 |
| sergio-br2 | but but: error: no upstream tarball | 05:42 |
| sergio-br2 | i found the file to change, it is gthumb/gthumb/gth-browser-actions-callbacks.c | 05:43 |
| Unit193 | sergio-br2: If you did apt-get source, use dpkg-source commit, if you did a bzr branch, use bzr diff. | 05:46 |
| sergio-br2 | ok thanks | 05:47 |
| sergio-br2 | Noskcaj, i will see later it, take a rest zZzzZ | 06:00 |
| sergio-br2 | Unity193, Noskcaj, thanks, bye | 06:01 |
| Unit193 | Unit != unity | 06:04 |
| Unit193 | Sure. | 06:04 |
| elfy | bluesabre: I just need to have some idea of where menulibre is at the moment - when it's ready enought so we can use to get a testcase ready, then let me know via m/l you want it testing | 07:26 |
| elfy | just more than - the vagueness I manage to pick up in here from backlogs | 07:27 |
| Unit193 | cyberrufus: Howdy. | 09:37 |
| slickymaster | morning all | 10:00 |
| bluesabre | elfy, I'll let you know via the M/L when its ready | 11:05 |
| bluesabre | that's why I sent that email out last week :) | 11:05 |
| elfy | bluesabre: thanks :) | 13:03 |
| sergio-br2 | Noskcaj | 15:17 |
| sergio-br2 | Noskcaj, could you see if my patch is correct? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gthumb/+bug/1262861 | 16:01 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1262861 in gthumb (Ubuntu) "Website link in About gThumb is wrong" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 16:01 |
| ElderDryas | Quick question re: 14.04A1 iso...by my count it takes 7 clicks/pages (from the xubuntu home page) to get to where one can actually download the iso. Am I just being my normal, early (for me) morning, no tea yet, self and can't see the obvious link? | 16:11 |
| ElderDryas | Or, as I just thought of, is this a commitment test? :) | 16:15 |
| slickymaster | ElderDryas: you're about right, 7 is the exact number to get it ;) | 16:15 |
| slickymaster | ElderDryas: see it this way: 7 is the number of the natural world. There are 7 days in the week, 7 notes on the musical scale and 7 directions (left, right, up, down, forward, back and center) ;) | 16:19 |
| ElderDryas | ah, I thought you were trying to go Monty Python one better. | 16:21 |
| slickymaster | LOL | 16:21 |
| ElderDryas | people must be hammering the canonical servers this morning, the DL is really slow. | 16:23 |
| eric_the_idiot_ | jjfrv8, the Wallpaper for Workspace X display in xfdesktop has more possible options when doing multi-monitor setups. Git master also adds an infobar to the mix. The code starts at: http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/tree/settings/main.c#n678 | 16:24 |
| sergio-br2 | it seems that xfce session has broken configs... | 16:46 |
| jjfrv8 | eric_the_idiot_, thanks for the tip. I had gotten some screenshots of the "Wallpaper for %s" but not the infobar. | 16:47 |
| sergio-br2 | some configuration is reset, like font hint. | 16:47 |
| jjfrv8 | I'll get set up again and try to capture the infobar. | 16:47 |
| jjfrv8 | slickymaster, you still around? | 16:48 |
| andrzejr | guys, how in correctly configured xubuntu does xfconfd start? | 17:02 |
| slickymaster | jjfrv8: yes | 17:03 |
| slickymaster | jjfrv8, I'll be back later after dinner (21:00 UTC) | 17:08 |
| amerigena | a couple questions, if people don't mind me asking? | 17:13 |
| holstein | amerigena: support question? those should ideally be in #xubuntu if xubuntu related | 17:15 |
| amerigena | Nope, it has to do with testing Alpha 1. | 17:20 |
| holstein | maybe #ubuntu+1 ? | 17:20 |
| holstein | no one will likely care if you ask here | 17:21 |
| jjfrv8 | eric_the_idiot_, I see in the code what the infobar should say but I don't see it when I bring up the dialog | 17:24 |
| jjfrv8 | where should I look for it? | 17:24 |
| jjfrv8 | is it recent code that is not in the PPA maybe? | 17:24 |
| eric_the_idiot_ | Probably. I haven't done another xfdesktop release yet unless there are daily PPAs | 17:26 |
| eric_the_idiot_ | http://imgur.com/WYQTsxM | 17:27 |
| jjfrv8 | yeah, definitely not seeing that | 17:29 |
| eric_the_idiot_ | guess I need to do a dev release :) | 17:29 |
| jjfrv8 | okay, will ochosi let us know when and where to get it? | 17:30 |
| eric_the_idiot_ | yeah, I imagine it should make it into the 4.12 ppa | 17:32 |
| jjfrv8 | okay, thanks for the heads up. We definitely want to capture that for the docs. | 17:33 |
| sergio-br2 | Noskcaj, or other that know that, theres is no icons for sound and keyboard panel gtk3 plugin? | 17:34 |
| eric_the_idiot_ | Indeed, thanks for helping to write the docs for it | 17:34 |
| sergio-br2 | and it's missing network too... | 17:38 |
| sergio-br2 | it's the normal behavior? | 17:38 |
| jjfrv8 | bbl | 17:48 |
| amerigena | When the alpha of 14.04 is installed, is Xfwm4 4.11.0 the default or not? | 18:11 |
| brainwash | sergio-br2: no icons or no indicators for sound/keyboard/..? | 18:28 |
| brainwash | sound icon sometimes does not load, you can restart the indicator service until it does finally load the icon | 18:29 |
| brainwash | if an indicator won't show up at all, take a look at the official wiki article | 18:31 |
| brainwash | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/Gtk3Indicators | 18:31 |
| brainwash | "Indicators may fail to load" | 18:31 |
| sergio-br2 | brainwash, ok | 18:40 |
| MarcFalck | http://oi42.tinypic.com/etvbx4.jpg is this invisible tab a 14.04 issue? | 19:00 |
| MarcFalck | also for some reason images are associated with firefox by default | 19:01 |
| Noskcaj | Where's the original bug for bug 1263188 ? | 19:02 |
| ubottu | bug 1263188 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "At first login, default session is xfce instead of xubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1263188 | 19:02 |
| sergio-br2 | hey guys, are there problem to attachment files in xubuntu mailing list? | 19:12 |
| pleia2 | sergio-br2: there is a size limit on what you can send, so it's best to give a link | 19:14 |
| pleia2 | unless it's a small file (a few kb) | 19:14 |
| sergio-br2 | ok | 19:16 |
| Noskcaj | sergio-br2, bug 1262861 got fixed at https://git.gnome.org/browse/gthumb/commit/?id=908c8b019432737df5ce048433984d3a1763d726 | 19:17 |
| ubottu | bug 1262861 in gthumb (Ubuntu) "Website link in About gThumb is wrong" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1262861 | 19:17 |
| sergio-br2 | Noskcaj, is it right? | 19:30 |
| Noskcaj | sergio-br2, the website part is done, upstream should fix the copyright thing soon. I'll upload the patch in my next debian upload | 19:31 |
| brainwash | Noskcaj: power-manager-systemd seems to work fine, we got some positive test results (except from elfy :P) | 19:33 |
| elfy | who'll get ignored - but doesn't care | 19:33 |
| brainwash | are there still some packaging problems unsolved? | 19:33 |
| elfy | these 'fixes' need really to be testes in vanilla installs so we can be sure | 19:35 |
| brainwash | it's trusty after all | 19:35 |
| brainwash | we just push the package into the proposed | 19:35 |
| elfy | anyway - have fun | 19:36 |
| elfy | cya | 19:36 |
| brainwash | and let people test some more | 19:36 |
| pleia2 | amerigena: your mail to the -devel list was too big, was there an attachment or something? could you put it somewhere else and resend? | 19:39 |
| Noskcaj | brainwash, Adding the patch forces us to disable autoreconf | 19:44 |
| brainwash | so we need to patch the debian package first? | 19:46 |
| Noskcaj | If you put it in the xfce git, i assume it would break autogen.sh too | 19:49 |
| brainwash | I assume adding patches should not be a problem, so the content of these systemd support patches is somehow causing trouble? | 19:51 |
| sergio-br2 | pleia2, i sent other message to mailing list, now with images in imageshack, sorry | 19:52 |
| Noskcaj | brainwash, yeah | 20:02 |
| Noskcaj | brainwash, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6607547/ is the error i get | 20:10 |
| brainwash | error: HAVE_SYSTEMD does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL | 20:32 |
| brainwash | I see | 20:32 |
| brainwash | sergio-br2: comment out the custom configuration for the right-click bottom area in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf and check if it disables right-click for you | 22:52 |
| brainwash | xfce4-settings seems to do everything correct and synclient confirms the changes | 22:52 |
| brainwash | so 50-synaptics.conf might be the cause | 22:53 |
| sergio-br2 | hum, found it | 22:54 |
| brainwash | did anything change after you've edited the file? | 22:56 |
| sergio-br2 | no, i will reboot | 22:56 |
| brainwash | right | 22:56 |
| brainwash | you will need to restart X I guess | 22:56 |
| sergio-br2 | no, i reboot, change "Tap touchpad to click", and nothing | 22:58 |
| sergio-br2 | it continues to right click | 22:58 |
| brainwash | strange | 23:03 |
| brainwash | I cannot test it right now | 23:04 |
| brainwash | so I will add a comment to the bug report later, if the change works for me | 23:04 |
| sergio-br2 | ok | 23:05 |
| Noskcaj | sergio-br2, for bug 1261173 , just file an identical bug in debian. Or join the debian filesystems team and help maintain it (see http://bugs.debian.org/723596 ) | 23:35 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 723596 in wnpp "RFA: f2fs-tools" [Normal,Open] | 23:35 |
| ubottu | bug 1261173 in f2fs-tools (Ubuntu) "[upgrade-software-version] f2fs-tools 1.2.0" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1261173 | 23:35 |
| Noskcaj | to report the debian bug, either use your email or "reportbug PACKAGE" | 23:35 |
| sergio-br2 | but reportbug will work in ubuntu? | 23:38 |
| sergio-br2 | Noskcaj, is it a valid bug report, if i use reportbug in ubuntu? | 23:39 |
| Noskcaj | it will be fine, but you'll have to tell report bug to pretend you're on debian. (it will tell you how) | 23:40 |
| Noskcaj | Or just go via your email | 23:40 |
| sergio-br2 | f2fs is in canonicals plan support? | 23:42 |
| sergio-br2 | gparted supports f2fs, ubiquity no | 23:43 |
| Noskcaj | ? | 23:44 |
| xnox | sergio-br2: ubiquity doesn't use gparted for partitioning. | 23:44 |
| sergio-br2 | I mean, canonical is seeing Trim things to 14.04, but a File System... | 23:44 |
| sergio-br2 | yeah, i know it | 23:45 |
| sergio-br2 | ubiquity don't use even the same unity of gparted... | 23:45 |
| sergio-br2 | you use MiB in gparted, and ubiquity uses MB and GB... it's strange... | 23:46 |
| xnox | sergio-br2: i believe ubiquity uses https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnitsPolicy | 23:46 |
| sergio-br2 | there is no consistency in Live session, Ubiquity and Gparted do things different... | 23:47 |
| sergio-br2 | nops, ubiquity utilise MB. | 23:47 |
| sergio-br2 | and it is an issue for SSD or SD cards, because you can not align with Erase Block | 23:48 |
| xnox | sergio-br2: correct, ubiquity uses base-10 units, for disk sizes. | 23:49 |
| sergio-br2 | or maybe I'm talking nonsense | 23:49 |
| xnox | sergio-br2: it's not an issue for SSD nor SD cards, as parted actually does optimal alignment in ubiquity. | 23:49 |
| sergio-br2 | i don't know, but i think ubuntu is not ready for SSD... | 23:49 |
| xnox | sergio-br2: you'll notice partition table gaps and offsets. | 23:49 |
| xnox | sergio-br2: maybe you should investigate and make an informed opinion. | 23:50 |
| xnox | sergio-br2: rather than making false claims. | 23:50 |
| sergio-br2 | xnox, but, if my SSD or card has 4 MiB of Erase block, and i do 100 MB partition in ubiquity, i think it will not align, dunno... | 23:51 |
| sergio-br2 | yeah, i'm not sure if i'm making false claims | 23:51 |
| xnox | sergio-br2: first of all SSDs and SDCards do not report erase blocks to the kernel / userspace, one can find it out using experimental methods e.g. using flashbench package. | 23:52 |
| sergio-br2 | but for from the point of view of a user, there is inconsistency between gparted and ubiquity. At least in the partition values | 23:53 |
| xnox | sergio-br2: and ubiquity aligns by default to a base-2 values, which can be a few, but on most typical installs ends up 2MiB i believe. | 23:53 |
| xnox | thus although it's not the best, it's mostly an even multiple of 4MiB. | 23:54 |
| xnox | ask gparted to use correct units. | 23:54 |
| xnox | and gparted is not a user-facing tool, like ubiquity is. | 23:54 |
| sergio-br2 | but... what is the correct units? | 23:54 |
| xnox | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnitsPolicy | 23:55 |
| sergio-br2 | yeah, i'm reading | 23:55 |
| sergio-br2 | but for me, MiB is the "normal" unity | 23:56 |
| sergio-br2 | but for Samsung or Kingston, it is MB... | 23:56 |
| sergio-br2 | because MB ">" MiB | 23:56 |
| xnox | "unity - the state of being united or joined as a whole." or "unity - (mathematics) the number one." | 23:57 |
| xnox | I think you mean "units" | 23:57 |
| sergio-br2 | yeah, units, sorry | 23:57 |
| sergio-br2 | english is not my strong | 23:58 |
| xnox | sergio-br2: if I go to a store and buy a 16GB phone, and plug into my computer, i want to see 16GB phone, and partitions/data/filesystems/reserved space adding up to 16GB. | 23:58 |
| xnox | sergio-br2: so disk-drives should use units as advertised (tm) ;-) | 23:58 |
| xnox | sergio-br2: anything else, is confusing. | 23:58 |
| sergio-br2 | yeah, it makes sense | 23:58 |
| xnox | sergio-br2: Mac OS X also uses base-10 units for disk space, and base-2 units for RAM. Just like ubuntu. | 23:59 |
| xnox | sergio-br2: there are inconsistencies in units on Windows, where base-10 prefixes are used for base-2 values =/ | 23:59 |
| sergio-br2 | and normaly, users thinks that it is less RAM :) | 23:59 |
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