[00:03] <cell> I don't know
[00:09] <cell> Is there a reason that Xubuntu represents a better choice for a volunteer than another open-source project such as Wikipedia or Kde, just to name two alternatives? 
[00:11] <knome> cell, better is subjective. if working with xubuntu scratches your itch, then it's the ideal/best choice for you
[00:14] <cell> i do not know anyone who uses xubuntu or for that matter linux besides myself and people i have corresponded with on the internet.
[00:15] <knome> i didn't know anybody using xubuntu when i started contributing either
[00:16] <pleia2> reminds me, they use it for testing at mozilla, see: http://benjaminkerensa.com/2013/10/14/mozilla-summit-2013-santa-clara bkerensa said he'd put me in touch with the guy doing it
[00:16] <pleia2> "It was also really cool to see some automated battery life testing for Firefox OS being doing on Xubuntu the XFCE Community-Driven Flavor of Ubuntu."
[00:16] <knome> cool :)
[00:18] <pleia2> most of my work team uses it too, then they nag me "hey pleia2, you work on xubuntu, can you..."
[00:18] <knome> lol
[00:18] <knome> you can direct them to me
[00:18] <knome> and i can grumble for them
[00:18] <pleia2> one of my colleagues uses a different window manager, wanted us to make it easier :)
[00:19] <knome> how does that make anything easier? ;)
[00:20] <pleia2> er, make out switching out the WM easier
[00:20] <pleia2> -out
[00:20] <knome> heh, okay...
[00:20] <pleia2> I think he did something crazy like symlink the xfwm binary to the one he wanted
[00:20] <knome> >__<
[00:20] <pleia2> hehe
[00:21] <knome> i guess if that works for them..
[00:22] <Unit193> Can't you just change xfce4-session?
[00:22] <Unit193> xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-session.xml:        <value type="string" value="xfwm4"/>
[00:22] <Unit193> xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-session.xml-        <value type="string" value="--replace"/>
[00:25] <cell> i like xubuntu. lately, the software manager has been crashing though.
[00:26] <pleia2> Unit193: the obvious solutions weren't working well, I don't remember the specifics
[00:27] <pleia2> I can't find that wiki page where we were putting interview ideas for our site
[00:27]  * pleia2 fails at wiki
[00:27] <knome> pleia2, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing/Projects/XubuntuAt
[00:28] <pleia2> knome: yep, saw that and totally didn't read it, thanks
[00:30] <Unit193> Great, now I'm trying it. >_<
[00:32] <pleia2> he uses xmonad
[00:34] <cell> one thing i'm grateful to xubuntu for is encouraging me to explore and use Xchat. there are a lot of channels out here. I used to play Wesnoth, but now I think I'd rather chat
[00:43] <Unit193> pleia2: Yeah, I just switched to openbox, was pretty easy.  Just edited /etc/xdg/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-session.xml and /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-session.xml, but don't think you need to edit both.
[00:43] <pleia2> Unit193: try xmonad?
[00:44] <pleia2> maybe it was something specific to the wm
[00:45] <Unit193> Your fault if I can't figure out how to get out of it, sure. ;)
[00:45] <Unit193> Erm, maybe in a VM.
[00:47] <Unit193> Holy crap, what did I do to my desktop?!
[00:48] <Unit193> He uses this by default?
[00:48] <Unit193> I'm so confused, but it works fine, pleia2 .
[00:48] <knome> :)
[00:49] <pleia2> haha
[00:51] <Unit193> Note Note to self, pleia2 has bad ideas. :P
[00:51] <Unit193> (Kidding!)
[00:51] <pleia2> Unit193: I have passed along your suggestion!
[00:51] <pleia2> < clarkb> pleia2: neat, that seems better than my hack
[00:51] <knome> why is he hiding!
[00:51] <pleia2> not hiding, just working :)
[00:52] <knome> pleia2, that leaves us the question... what are *you* doing?
[00:52] <pleia2> waiting for my code to compile?
[00:52] <Unit193> pleia2: Heh, sure.  Works fine here (well, as much as an unconfigured xmonad does.)
[00:52] <knome> a question mark? you are unsure?
[00:53] <pleia2> knome: no one compiles code anymore, but the joke remains
[00:53] <knome> pleia2, no?
[00:53] <knome> :)
[00:53] <pleia2> we all write in python!
[00:54] <Unit193> Do we get to ask him how he uses xmonad? :P
[00:54] <pleia2> you know sysadmins, their brains work weird
[00:54] <knome> a screenshot at least...
[00:55] <pleia2> hah, I'll see what I can do
[00:56] <Unit193> pleia2: If he doesn't use xfce4-session, another method is used.
[00:56] <knome> you? wouldn't it be easier to ask him to take the screenshot than try to sneak one? :P
[00:56] <Unit193> But sure, glad to help
[00:57] <pleia2> Unit193: ah, thanks, that may be the case
[00:57] <pleia2> knome: we are actually working, need to stop distracting with random things :)
[00:57] <knome> go away then :P
[00:57] <pleia2> hahah
[00:57] <knome> (and let me go to sleep)
[00:57] <pleia2> go to sleep!
[00:58] <knome> (i can't go since i need to distract you as long as you get distracted)
[00:59] <Unit193> If he's not using xfce4-session, then /etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc is the file to look at.
[00:59] <Unit193> line 144/199
[01:01] <Unit193> # this is only necessary when running w/o xfce4-session
[01:01] <Unit193> xsetroot -solid black -cursor_name watch
[01:01] <Unit193> Weird...
[01:01] <brainwash> wouldn't an autostart entry do the trick?
[01:08] <Unit193> xfce4-session/xfsm-fadeout.c:          gdk_window_set_background (window, &black);  so, does that mean xfce4-session sets the color too?
[01:11] <Unit193> ali1234: Heh, I get the seemless login if I chmod -x xfce4-session and xsetroot. :D
[01:15] <Unit193> So the black isn't actually the video card at least.
[01:16] <brainwash> xfsm-fadeout.c?
[01:17] <brainwash> it's that something different?
[01:17] <brainwash> like when you open the shutdown dialog
[01:18] <Unit193> I just did a quick grep because of the comment, that may not be the right src file at all, but something in there seems to be doing it.
[01:21] <brainwash> I did not notice any black screen so far
[01:21] <brainwash> after login
[01:22] <brainwash> I just wish that we can push all the changes and start testing/enjoying them
[02:26] <Unit193> All you need is two ppas to try it, in theory.
[02:37] <sergio-br2> when i use 2 keyboard (portuguese and english, for example), there is no icon to change between them, in xfce panel?
[02:38] <Noskcaj> sergio-br2, Isn't that what the xkb plugin is meant to do?
[02:38] <sergio-br2> i don't know... i mean something like in ubuntu unity
[02:39] <sergio-br2> i included other language key, but there is no icon in panel. I have to Add this manually?
[02:42] <Noskcaj> install xfce4-xkb-plugin, then add it to the panel
[02:43] <Noskcaj> We probably need to advertise that xubuntu can do that better. Maybe even a "dual-languages" installer option
[02:50] <sergio-br2> humm, it's already installed
[02:51] <sergio-br2> so, it couldn't be automatic to add an xkb-plugin in top panel?
[02:53] <sergio-br2> ohh yeah, now i understood, it can do that better even
[02:54] <sergio-br2> hey, it has the country flag :D
[03:19] <bluesabre> elfy, forestpiskie: what details are you wanting on menulibre?
[04:32] <zero6688> hi, anyone knows the default user name and password for xubuntu 14.04 a1
[04:33] <zero6688> when i run it via live cd, it asks me the username and password, but no one mentions it
[04:34] <Unit193> Select the Xubuntu session too, and English language from the top right options, username is xubuntu and password is blank.
[04:35] <zero6688> thanks
[04:35] <zero6688> :)
[04:35] <sergio-br2> see this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1261660/comments/4
[04:35] <sergio-br2> if you forget this, you will enter in xfce session, instead of xubuntu session
[04:37] <zero6688> looks nice than 12.04 ;)
[04:37] <sergio-br2> Unity193, where can i track one bug from lightdm-gtk-greeter?
[04:38] <sergio-br2> Noskcaj, do you know?
[04:38] <Noskcaj> sergio-br2, do you just mean subscribe to it?
[04:38] <sergio-br2> i mean put it in iso.qa
[04:39] <sergio-br2> or packages.qa
[04:39] <sergio-br2> there is no test case for lightdm in xubuntu
[04:40] <zero6688> actually i found that after type the username, i clicked "Enter", but it doesn't work, i need to press the "Login" button.
[04:41] <Noskcaj> sergio-br2, Maybe in a iso install test
[04:41] <Noskcaj> or write a test for it
[04:42] <sergio-br2> zero6688, try to Tab to password, and press Enter.
[04:43] <zero6688> ok
[04:43] <Noskcaj> sergio-br2, lubuntu have a lightdm testcase. I'll get someone to try and copy it to xubuntu
[04:43] <sergio-br2> ok
[04:43] <zero6688> i found the chinese translation is much better than previous versions
[04:44] <sergio-br2> because i didn't know how to do it :)
[04:46] <Noskcaj> sergio-br2, For the gthumb website bug, can you contact upstream gthumb about it?
[04:46] <Noskcaj> or make a patch, which should be super easy
[04:46] <sergio-br2> Noskcaj, i have to learn how to do that
[04:46] <Noskcaj> It's not enough reason to fail the test though
[04:47] <sergio-br2> or to do an patch
[04:47] <Noskcaj> to make a patch for this, just find what file the website link is in and change it.
[04:47] <sergio-br2> hum, ok, i will see that
[04:48] <sergio-br2> maybe more easy mainstream?
[04:48] <Noskcaj> http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/patches-to-packages.html should have the full instructions
[04:48] <sergio-br2> it's good for me
[04:48] <sergio-br2> thanks
[04:48] <Noskcaj> When you get a patch made up, i'll have it into debian, ubuntu, and upstream within the week
[04:51] <Noskcaj> I've just contacted upstream about it, and i am the debian maintainer
[04:54] <Noskcaj> sergio-br2, do you know any programming languages?
[04:56] <sergio-br2> yeah, a little, like C, java, matlab (gnu octave and scilab)
[04:57] <sergio-br2> bash, a little too
[05:00] <sergio-br2> and i want to learn python and C++
[05:01] <Noskcaj> You're far better than i am then. Please patch whatever you can
[05:03] <Noskcaj> sergio-br2, Next time you test gthumb, would you mind trying to confirm bug 1240169? if it's still there, upstream will fix it
[05:03] <sergio-br2> haha, ok, but i have to learn this patch thing
[05:03] <sergio-br2> haha
[05:04] <sergio-br2> interesting
[05:05] <Noskcaj> :)
[05:06] <Noskcaj> My simple guide to patching: 1. Do changes. 2. Run "dpkg-source --commit" 3. check header of patch. 4. "quilt push && quilt refresh && quilt pop" 5. commit and upload
[05:06] <Noskcaj> (if it's in a bzr branch)
[05:07] <sergio-br2> :D
[05:07] <sergio-br2> ok
[05:08] <sergio-br2> the source is in gthum-dev?
[05:11] <sergio-br2> i think yes
[05:12] <Noskcaj> sergio-br2, bzr branch lp:ubuntu/gthumb
[05:12] <Noskcaj> -dev adds headers for other packages building
[05:12] <Noskcaj> Does anyone think we should SRU gthumb? bug 1261589
[05:13] <sergio-br2> i saw it, but i think it's invalid to trusty, non?
[05:13] <Noskcaj> yep
[05:13] <sergio-br2> the trusty version is update
[05:17] <Noskcaj> I don't know how to nominate for a distroseries, so leave it for the time being
[05:18] <Noskcaj> lderan, FYI, gthumb is probably able to introspect properly
[05:41] <sergio-br2> Noskcaj, i do dpkg-source --commit in ~/gthumb/
[05:42] <sergio-br2> but but: error: no upstream tarball
[05:43] <sergio-br2> i found the file to change, it is gthumb/gthumb/gth-browser-actions-callbacks.c
[05:46] <Unit193> sergio-br2: If you did apt-get source, use dpkg-source commit, if you did a bzr branch, use bzr diff.
[05:47] <sergio-br2> ok thanks
[06:00] <sergio-br2> Noskcaj, i will see later it, take a rest zZzzZ
[06:01] <sergio-br2> Unity193, Noskcaj, thanks, bye
[06:04] <Unit193> Unit != unity
[06:04] <Unit193> Sure.
[07:26] <elfy> bluesabre: I just need to have some idea of where menulibre is at the moment - when it's ready enought so we can use to get a testcase ready, then let me know via m/l you want it testing 
[07:27] <elfy> just more than - the vagueness I manage to pick up in here from backlogs
[09:37] <Unit193> cyberrufus: Howdy.
[10:00] <slickymaster> morning all
[11:05] <bluesabre> elfy, I'll let you know via the M/L when its ready
[11:05] <bluesabre> that's why I sent that email out last week :)
[13:03] <elfy> bluesabre: thanks :)
[15:17] <sergio-br2> Noskcaj
[16:01] <sergio-br2> Noskcaj, could you see if my patch is correct? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gthumb/+bug/1262861
[16:11] <ElderDryas> Quick question re: 14.04A1 iso...by my count it takes 7 clicks/pages (from the xubuntu home page) to get to where one can actually download the iso.  Am I just being my normal, early (for me) morning, no tea yet, self and can't see the obvious link?
[16:15] <ElderDryas> Or, as I just thought of, is this a commitment test? :)
[16:15] <slickymaster> ElderDryas: you're about right, 7 is the exact number to get it ;)
[16:19] <slickymaster> ElderDryas: see it this way: 7 is the number of the natural world. There are 7 days in the week, 7 notes on the musical scale and 7 directions (left, right, up, down, forward, back and center) ;)
[16:21] <ElderDryas> ah, I thought you were trying to go Monty Python one better.
[16:21] <slickymaster> LOL
[16:23] <ElderDryas> people must be hammering the canonical servers this morning, the DL is really slow.
[16:24] <eric_the_idiot_> jjfrv8, the Wallpaper for Workspace X display in xfdesktop has more possible options when doing multi-monitor setups.  Git master also adds an infobar to the mix. The code starts at: http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/tree/settings/main.c#n678
[16:46] <sergio-br2> it seems that xfce session has broken configs...
[16:47] <jjfrv8> eric_the_idiot_, thanks for the tip. I had gotten some screenshots of the "Wallpaper for %s" but not the infobar.
[16:47] <sergio-br2> some configuration is reset, like font hint. 
[16:47] <jjfrv8> I'll get set up again and try to capture the infobar.
[16:48] <jjfrv8> slickymaster, you still around?
[17:02] <andrzejr> guys, how in correctly configured xubuntu does xfconfd start?
[17:03] <slickymaster> jjfrv8: yes
[17:08] <slickymaster> jjfrv8, I'll be back later after dinner (21:00 UTC)
[17:13] <amerigena> a couple questions, if people don't mind me asking?
[17:15] <holstein> amerigena: support question? those should ideally be in #xubuntu if xubuntu related
[17:20] <amerigena> Nope, it has to do with testing Alpha 1.
[17:20] <holstein> maybe #ubuntu+1 ?
[17:21] <holstein> no one will likely care if you ask here
[17:24] <jjfrv8> eric_the_idiot_, I see in the code what the infobar should say but I don't see it when I bring up the dialog
[17:24] <jjfrv8> where should I look for it?
[17:24] <jjfrv8> is it recent code that is not in the PPA maybe?
[17:26] <eric_the_idiot_> Probably. I haven't done another xfdesktop release yet unless there are daily PPAs
[17:27] <eric_the_idiot_> http://imgur.com/WYQTsxM
[17:29] <jjfrv8> yeah, definitely not seeing that
[17:29] <eric_the_idiot_> guess I need to do a dev release :)
[17:30] <jjfrv8> okay, will ochosi let us know when and where to get it?
[17:32] <eric_the_idiot_> yeah, I imagine it should make it into the 4.12 ppa
[17:33] <jjfrv8> okay, thanks for the heads up. We definitely want to capture that for the docs.
[17:34] <sergio-br2> Noskcaj, or other that know that, theres is no icons for sound and keyboard panel gtk3 plugin?
[17:34] <eric_the_idiot_> Indeed, thanks for helping to write the docs for it
[17:38] <sergio-br2> and it's missing network too...
[17:38] <sergio-br2> it's the normal behavior?
[17:48] <jjfrv8> bbl
[18:11] <amerigena> When the alpha of 14.04 is installed, is Xfwm4 4.11.0 the default or not?
[18:28] <brainwash> sergio-br2: no icons or no indicators for sound/keyboard/..?
[18:29] <brainwash> sound icon sometimes does not load, you can restart the indicator service until it does finally load the icon
[18:31] <brainwash> if an indicator won't show up at all, take a look at the official wiki article
[18:31] <brainwash> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/Gtk3Indicators
[18:31] <brainwash> "Indicators may fail to load"
[18:40] <sergio-br2> brainwash, ok
[19:00] <MarcFalck> http://oi42.tinypic.com/etvbx4.jpg is this invisible tab a 14.04 issue?
[19:01] <MarcFalck> also for some reason images are associated with firefox by default
[19:02] <Noskcaj> Where's the original bug for bug 1263188 ?
[19:12] <sergio-br2> hey guys, are there problem to attachment files in xubuntu mailing list?
[19:14] <pleia2> sergio-br2: there is a size limit on what you can send, so it's best to give a link
[19:14] <pleia2> unless it's a small file (a few kb)
[19:16] <sergio-br2> ok
[19:17] <Noskcaj> sergio-br2, bug 1262861 got fixed at https://git.gnome.org/browse/gthumb/commit/?id=908c8b019432737df5ce048433984d3a1763d726
[19:30] <sergio-br2> Noskcaj, is it right?
[19:31] <Noskcaj> sergio-br2, the website part is done, upstream should fix the copyright thing soon. I'll upload the patch in my next debian upload
[19:33] <brainwash> Noskcaj: power-manager-systemd seems to work fine, we got some positive test results (except from elfy :P)
[19:33] <elfy> who'll get ignored - but doesn't care
[19:33] <brainwash> are there still some packaging problems unsolved?
[19:35] <elfy> these 'fixes' need really to be testes in vanilla installs so we can be sure 
[19:35] <brainwash> it's trusty after all
[19:35] <brainwash> we just push the package into the proposed
[19:36] <elfy> anyway - have fun 
[19:36] <elfy> cya
[19:36] <brainwash> and let people test some more
[19:39] <pleia2> amerigena: your mail to the -devel list was too big, was there an attachment or something? could you put it somewhere else and resend?
[19:44] <Noskcaj> brainwash, Adding the patch forces us to disable autoreconf
[19:46] <brainwash> so we need to patch the debian package first?
[19:49] <Noskcaj> If you put it in the xfce git, i assume it would break autogen.sh too
[19:51] <brainwash> I assume adding patches should not be a problem, so the content of these systemd support patches is somehow causing trouble?
[19:52] <sergio-br2> pleia2, i sent other message to mailing list, now with images in imageshack, sorry
[20:02] <Noskcaj> brainwash, yeah
[20:10] <Noskcaj> brainwash, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6607547/ is the error i get
[20:32] <brainwash> error: HAVE_SYSTEMD does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL
[20:32] <brainwash> I see
[22:52] <brainwash> sergio-br2: comment out the custom configuration for the right-click bottom area in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf and check if it disables right-click for you
[22:52] <brainwash> xfce4-settings seems to do everything correct and synclient confirms the changes
[22:53] <brainwash> so 50-synaptics.conf might be the cause
[22:54] <sergio-br2> hum, found it
[22:56] <brainwash> did anything change after you've edited the file?
[22:56] <sergio-br2> no, i will reboot
[22:56] <brainwash> right
[22:56] <brainwash> you will need to restart X I guess
[22:58] <sergio-br2> no, i reboot, change "Tap touchpad to click", and nothing
[22:58] <sergio-br2> it continues to right click
[23:03] <brainwash> strange
[23:04] <brainwash> I cannot test it right now
[23:04] <brainwash> so I will add a comment to the bug report later, if the change works for me
[23:05] <sergio-br2> ok
[23:35] <Noskcaj> sergio-br2, for bug 1261173 , just file an identical bug in debian. Or join the debian filesystems team and help maintain it (see http://bugs.debian.org/723596 )
[23:35] <Noskcaj> to report the debian bug, either use your email or "reportbug PACKAGE"
[23:38] <sergio-br2> but reportbug will work in ubuntu?
[23:39] <sergio-br2> Noskcaj, is it a valid bug report, if i use reportbug in ubuntu?
[23:40] <Noskcaj> it will be fine, but you'll have to tell report bug to pretend you're on debian. (it will tell you how)
[23:40] <Noskcaj> Or just go via your email
[23:42] <sergio-br2> f2fs is in canonicals plan support?
[23:43] <sergio-br2> gparted supports f2fs, ubiquity no
[23:44] <Noskcaj> ?
[23:44] <xnox> sergio-br2: ubiquity doesn't use gparted for partitioning.
[23:44] <sergio-br2> I mean, canonical is seeing Trim things to 14.04, but a File System...
[23:45] <sergio-br2> yeah, i know it
[23:45] <sergio-br2> ubiquity don't use even the same unity of gparted...
[23:46] <sergio-br2> you use MiB in gparted, and ubiquity uses MB and GB... it's strange...
[23:46] <xnox> sergio-br2: i believe ubiquity uses https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnitsPolicy
[23:47] <sergio-br2> there is no consistency in Live session, Ubiquity and Gparted do things different...
[23:47] <sergio-br2> nops, ubiquity utilise MB.
[23:48] <sergio-br2> and it is an issue for SSD or SD cards, because you can not align with Erase Block
[23:49] <xnox> sergio-br2: correct, ubiquity uses base-10 units, for disk sizes.
[23:49] <sergio-br2> or maybe I'm talking nonsense
[23:49] <xnox> sergio-br2: it's not an issue for SSD nor SD cards, as parted actually does optimal alignment in ubiquity.
[23:49] <sergio-br2> i don't know, but i think ubuntu is not ready for SSD...
[23:49] <xnox> sergio-br2: you'll notice partition table gaps and offsets.
[23:50] <xnox> sergio-br2: maybe you should investigate and make an informed opinion.
[23:50] <xnox> sergio-br2: rather than making false claims.
[23:51] <sergio-br2> xnox, but, if my SSD or card has 4 MiB of Erase block, and i do 100 MB partition in ubiquity, i think it will not align, dunno...
[23:51] <sergio-br2> yeah, i'm not sure if i'm making false claims
[23:52] <xnox> sergio-br2: first of all SSDs and SDCards do not report erase blocks to the kernel / userspace, one can find it out using experimental methods e.g. using flashbench package.
[23:53] <sergio-br2> but for from the point of view of a user, there is inconsistency between gparted and ubiquity. At least in the partition values
[23:53] <xnox> sergio-br2: and ubiquity aligns by default to a base-2 values, which can be a few, but on most typical installs ends up 2MiB i believe.
[23:54] <xnox> thus although it's not the best, it's mostly an even multiple of 4MiB.
[23:54] <xnox> ask gparted to use correct units.
[23:54] <xnox> and gparted is not a user-facing tool, like ubiquity is.
[23:54] <sergio-br2> but... what is the correct units?
[23:55] <xnox> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnitsPolicy
[23:55] <sergio-br2> yeah, i'm reading
[23:56] <sergio-br2> but for me, MiB is the "normal" unity
[23:56] <sergio-br2> but for Samsung or Kingston, it is MB...
[23:56] <sergio-br2> because MB ">" MiB
[23:57] <xnox> "unity - the state of being united or joined as a whole." or "unity - (mathematics) the number one."
[23:57] <xnox> I think you mean "units"
[23:57] <sergio-br2> yeah, units, sorry
[23:58] <sergio-br2> english is not my strong
[23:58] <xnox> sergio-br2: if I go to a store and buy a 16GB phone, and plug into my computer, i want to see 16GB phone, and partitions/data/filesystems/reserved space adding up to 16GB.
[23:58] <xnox> sergio-br2: so disk-drives should use units as advertised (tm) ;-)
[23:58] <xnox> sergio-br2: anything else, is confusing.
[23:58] <sergio-br2> yeah, it makes sense
[23:59] <xnox> sergio-br2: Mac OS X also uses base-10 units for disk space, and base-2 units for RAM. Just like ubuntu.
[23:59] <xnox> sergio-br2: there are inconsistencies in units on Windows, where base-10 prefixes are used for base-2 values =/
[23:59] <sergio-br2> and normaly, users thinks that it is less RAM :)