[00:00] <sergio-br2> * it has
[00:01] <sergio-br2> well, i'm not a developer... this things i told, it's a user perspective
[00:01] <sergio-br2> *these
[00:08] <sergio-br2> xnox, cdimage.ubuntu use MiB, but when you do the download, in thunar it uses MB... :D
[00:08] <sergio-br2> 864 MiB --> 906 MB
[00:08] <xnox> sergio-br2: i think there is an openbug against apache, that in the directory listing it does indeed use the wrong units.
[00:09] <xnox> sergio-br2: unfortunately changing that, will break anything that is automatically parsing such generated listings =/
[00:09] <sergio-br2> * thunar not, nautilus
[00:56] <sergio-br2> does light-locker use xscreensaver-data?
[01:06] <brainwash> sergio-br2: no
[01:07] <sergio-br2> brainwash, so, there is no cool things to see in the screen? :)
[01:07] <brainwash> uhm, you either see a black screen or the light dm greeter
[01:07] <brainwash> pretty boring
[01:08] <brainwash> screensavers are old school
[01:08] <Noskcaj> brainwash, Still worth having
[01:09] <brainwash> yeah, so I'm waiting for the new version of xscreensaver :)
[01:10] <sergio-br2> this apport is being very efficient... it is not reporting crashes...
[01:16] <brainwash> it's disabled I guess
[01:18] <sergio-br2> canonical disable it in releases, not in alpha... or not?
[01:19] <brainwash> it gets activated during the alpha/beta phase I think
[01:19] <brainwash> so it might be still disabled
[01:20] <brainwash> people in #ubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-desktop might know
[01:25] <sergio-br2> it's disable, i can see in /etc/apport/crashdb.conf
[02:00] <sergio-br2> hey, there is no Guest Account in lightdm?
[08:26] <elfy> ochosi: any mileage to be gained by me disabling the nvidia card and using the onboard to see if I get this 1990s issue with that?
[08:40] <ali1234> elfy: can you do a bootchart?
[08:40] <ali1234> i might reveal, if things are starting in the wrong order
[08:41] <ali1234> it has an option to keep running for a time after login
[08:41] <elfy> I can install that of course, though I'm not sure how it will help here
[08:41] <elfy> aaah - that would be why you think it will help and I dopn't then :p
[08:41] <ali1234> you have a missing settings daemon
[08:42] <elfy> though this xchat issue could turn (and did with nvidia) turn up some hours after I've booted the machine
[08:44] <ali1234> well if it is just xchat then i don't see how it can be video card related
[08:45] <elfy> me neither now that I've seen it with nvidia as well - previously I'd not
[08:45] <elfy> with nouveau it usually appears within 30 minutes 
[08:45] <elfy> nvidia it was while I was at work - so at least 90minutes
[08:46] <elfy> ali1234: did you see the error I got in startxfce log?
[08:46] <ali1234> no
[08:47] <elfy> http://pastebin.com/pP6bcJEK
[08:47] <elfy> get that at more or less the same time 
[08:47] <ali1234> that means 1. xfsettingsd crashed
[08:48] <ali1234> and 2. it crashed because of something to o with multimonitor
[08:48] <ali1234> BadRRCrtc -> RR = Xrandr, Crtc = "a monitor" basically
[08:49] <elfy> just done it now 
[08:49] <ali1234> so pretty much this means a monitor disappeared and that caused xfsettings to crash
[08:49] <elfy> right 
[08:50] <elfy> I wonder if that's the tv plugged in 
[08:50] <ali1234> quite possibly, especially if it is HDMI
[08:50] <elfy> it is 
[08:50] <elfy> ok - I'll unplug that and then monitor it again
[08:51] <ali1234> TVs can do weird things
[08:51] <elfy> only use it to watch movies and not doing a lot of that atm anyway
[08:51] <ali1234> with standby mode and so on, they can really confuse graphics cards
[08:51] <elfy> yep
[08:52] <elfy> cheap tesco's job this one is 
[08:52] <ali1234> it could be video card related too, since the video driver is the one watching for things being plugged/unplugged
[08:52] <elfy> unplugged it - I'll monitor that now
[08:52] <ali1234> ultimately though xfsettings shouldn't crash
[08:52] <elfy> yea
[08:53] <elfy> I suppose this is all useful, though perhaps not xubuntu related
[08:53] <elfy> thanks ali1234 
[08:53] <ali1234> the trouble with those X errors is they are asynchronous
[08:54] <ali1234> so can be hard to pin down
[08:55] <elfy> yep
[08:56] <elfy> ochosi was just worried I think that it was 'us' with an issue - if it's not that'd great, means we can move on 
[08:57] <ali1234> yeah, it's probably not
[08:57] <ali1234> it's a xfce issue
[08:58] <elfy> mmm
[08:58] <elfy> right - I gtg - back in a few 
[11:23] <elfy> ali1234: forgot this bit of the xchat story when I was talking to you earlier - it only started after I installed the gtk3 ind stuff
[12:03] <elfy> so thinking about it - it is something to do with us perhaps
[12:06] <brainwash> or an update which came in the same time frame
[12:06] <brainwash> like the gtk 3.10 one
[12:07] <elfy> possibly 
[12:08] <elfy> losing the will to live here
[12:08] <elfy> all I know is that xchat dies and as I use it constantly - if we ship with it like this then we'll be in the wonderful position of having the QA lead using some other xfce distro 
[12:09] <elfy> all I'm able to do unfortunately is report on it and do what people ask me to test different things
[12:23] <brainwash> currently there are so many little glitches and annoyances in trusty :/
[12:23] <brainwash> on top of that, almost all of our new features and packages are still not available (only via PPA)
[12:24] <elfy> well I'm not noticing that many tbh - just this xchat thing - which I notice rather a lot :D
[12:24] <brainwash> use a terminal based IRC client and profit :)
[12:24] <elfy> yep - hopefully after xmas we'll be able to get a lot of this stuff in properly - or it will be too late to 
[12:25] <elfy> brainwash: I hate them - hence forestpiskie being away and just logging for me when I'm not here ;)
[12:31] <elfy> brainwash: not even sure at the moment how many things there are ticking away on PPAs lol
[12:47] <elfy> hi GridCube 
[12:58] <GridCube> hi elfy 
[12:58] <GridCube> :)
[14:47] <elfy> hi DanChapman 
[14:48] <DanChapman> heya elfy :-) how are you?
[14:48] <elfy> dry
[14:48] <elfy> :)
[14:54] <sergio-br2> elfy, my indicator panel went transparency
[14:54] <sergio-br2> *transparent
[14:55] <elfy> so does mine from time to time 
[14:55] <elfy> it's a known issue
[14:55] <sergio-br2> i have the apport info, do you care?
[14:55] <elfy> you can keep it there and see if ochosi wants it 
[14:56] <elfy> but I think that they're on top of that issue
[14:56] <elfy> or at least don't want reports about it at present
[14:57] <sergio-br2> there is other issue, if i disable and enable bluetooth from the old indicator, the news indicator close
[14:57] <elfy> sergio-br2: did you read the trusty wiki for these gtk3 indicators?
[14:58] <sergio-br2> yeah
[14:58] <sergio-br2> there are 4 issues
[14:59] <sergio-br2> 3 now
[14:59] <elfy> did you add the workaround to /etc/environment?
[14:59] <elfy> but to be honest - I don't know 
[15:00] <elfy> report it if you want - though apport will complain that it's not an official package - which it isn't 
[15:02] <sergio-br2> i didn't add the /etc/environment workaround
[15:02] <sergio-br2> ok, i will see this
[15:04] <elfy> ok 
[15:04] <elfy> cya
[15:09] <brainwash> workaround: turn off the compositor and the transparent indicator area will turn black :)
[15:19]  * elfy would make the whole panel transparent :p
[23:11] <sergio-br2> hi
[23:55] <Noskcaj> lderan, PING. I've made a few basic autopilot tests, an incomplete gthumb one that tests a bit more. Would you be able to help me with debugging the gthumb one?
[23:55] <Noskcaj> Also, the only xubuntu packages i've found that support introspection are catfish and simple-scan