[08:18] <xubuntu992> hello room
[08:20] <xubuntu992> im kinda curious if anyone has a solution for a simple issue im having with xubuntu 12.04 lts, i have just installed it to an older beige system with an onboard intel celeron and i810 graphics (integrated) now for some odd reason i seem to get a white screen with garbled text during bootup, however xfce displays just fine, albeit the resolution is slightly too high but that is adjustable
[08:21] <xubuntu992> does anyone know how to straighten that out, I have already tried adjusting the settings for grub to force the screen resolution but the boot screen seems off
[08:21] <us|0gb> That sounds like what my sister has on Mint.
[08:21] <us|0gb> No idea how to fix it though.
[08:22] <xubuntu992> also, I had made sure, intel drivers were installed and even changed them out onto another version in which dpkg and xorg threw a hissyfit and threw me into the terminal with a broken dependency and a nonworking desktop
[08:22] <xubuntu992> and exactly, i have no idea why it does this, this machine is not new by any means and shouldnt have any driver problem imo, even winderps knows what to do on that hw
[08:26] <xubuntu992> hmm ok, well thanks though anyway
[08:27] <xubuntu992> sorry for the rant too but it frustrates me that it has these problems on ancient hardware, i just feel like it should be plug n play by now, tbt, its this box is gonna mine dogecoin xD
[08:27] <xubuntu992> much doge doge so many coin
[08:28] <us|0gb> Yeah, I know how you feel about hardware issues. My graphics are bugged up due to a bad graphics card. I don't need something powerful, I just want my panel to display correctly.
[08:32] <xubuntu992> if all goes well (the software may require it but not sure) id like to disable the desktop on it alltogether
[08:32] <xubuntu992> my home server had the same fiasco on debian with an nvidia card (also older beige system) and i went through a 2 day event squinting at it til i finally was able to load up the proprietary and correct it
[08:33] <xubuntu992> and sheesh, did it overheat?
[08:34] <atreus_> I have an issue with my menus in xfce, anyone know how to make the separators invisible?
[08:34] <us|0gb> I'm running without the proprietary firmware. The card might work with it, but it's not worth it to me. I prefer to be free.
[08:34] <us|0gb> atreus_: Right click on the separator and choose "properties".
[08:35] <us|0gb> Set style to "transparent".
[08:35] <atreus_> us|0gb: this is in the right click menus
[08:37] <us|0gb> Sorry, I don;t know how to fix the bugged-up menus.
[08:37] <atreus_> dang, any idea where the separator image file is kept?
[08:38] <xubuntu992> I see, like I stated, I understand new hardware, like a high end gpu used for gaming, but these machines are really old junkers and shouldnt need that babysitting from a proprietary driver
[08:38] <xubuntu992> if anything, by now it should be baked into the free one how to handle them
[08:39] <xubuntu992> im reinstalling now from breaking things, soon as that completes i think im going to turn in, its late, i can play with this more tomorrow
[08:41] <us|0gb> Yeah, I know how that feels too. I reinstalled the system four times this week alone to deal with messes caused by apt and aptitude.
[08:41] <us|0gb> Good night!
[08:41] <xubuntu992> they can be fixed but it wasnt worth it being a fresh installation
[08:42] <xubuntu992> my fear is my server, when that hardware gets upgraded in the future, how am I going to move all the configuration it got over to the new system :eek!
[08:43] <us|0gb> I often don't know how to fix without reinstalling. But I built a reset script that should minimize my need to reinstall in the future.
[08:43] <us|0gb> You'll have to find and copy the config files, I guess.
[08:44] <xubuntu992> yeah, that is a long way off though, I dont plan on any of that for a good while yet, so as long as we keep humming away, I should be ok, then again I have moved from box to box before with images and surprisingly it didnt puke
[08:45] <xubuntu992> only itll probably be clean as itll also go from x86 to x64 at that point, as I will actually build a purpose built rig for the task
[08:45] <xubuntu992> I moved a mint debian from a vm to an older clamshell dell which actually took just fine
[08:47] <xubuntu992> those folks arent even computer literate, just an old dell they chose to keep rather than retire post xp life
[08:47] <xubuntu992> and its been solid for them
[08:49] <xubuntu992> only real adjustment honestly was explaining to them how an antivirus was not necessary anymore on a linux machine
[08:49] <xubuntu007> is the voice indicator fixed with 14.04 alpha 1?
[08:50] <xubuntu992> their needs are simple really as users but hey, i figure linux is great with older users and those with simple needs, its a system that you setup and it just works
[08:50] <us|0gb> Not sure, my system is based on 12.04.
[08:51] <us|0gb> Yeah, it works as long as you aren't constantly messing with things like I am.
[08:51] <Sysi> you can fix the indocator on 13.10 too, no need to run alpha software
[08:51] <xubuntu992> lol amen to that, long as the updates dont break it :( too
[08:51] <us|0gb> Still, Windows breaks even if you don't mess with it,
[08:52] <xubuntu992> meh, ive dialed in winderps pretty decently and had minimal issues, if things are done right and you tune it to run about as lean as itll go without messing with anything you normally do itll run like a boss
[08:52] <xubuntu992> win7 just hums along for me
[08:52] <xubuntu007> which is the channel of gnome ubuntu here on irc/
[08:54] <us|0gb> I imagine it would be #ubuntu-gnome , but I don't know. I'm not even on Ubuntu.
[08:54] <xubuntu007> yeah indeed
[08:55] <Sysi> internet confirms #ubuntu-gnome
[08:57] <Sysi> btw. linux systems works just fine even if you mess with them, you just need to know what you're doing :P
[08:57] <us|0gb> If you know what you're doing, you aren't messing with them; you're configuring them.
[08:58] <Sysi> ubuntu might not be the best in this aspect, debian or fedora are tested more outside the default setup
[09:00] <us|0gb> Debian tends to bite me. Fedora outright hates me.
[09:02] <xubuntu992> i see, i just tend to be bitten by driver issues on legacy pcs for unknown reasons
[09:03] <xubuntu992> i always thought that an older machine should be known how to be dealt with by the free default drivers loaded at installtion, not need 2 + days of configuring to get things where they need to be'
[09:03] <xubuntu992> I seem to be bit by beige boxes
[09:04] <us|0gb> Life was so easy when I used Xubuntu .... Or at least computing was.
[09:05] <xubuntu992> heh my issue is happening in xubuntu
[09:05] <us|0gb> Yeah, I know. It doesn't work for every situation, but it worked for my use case.
[09:07] <xubuntu992> if i can get this figured out itll be fine, half of me is debating debian though, because the software I do need is identical, just debian has it flagged as "unstable"
[09:07] <xubuntu992> im afraid of a dependancy nightmare in the ensuing install if i pull it into 7.3
[09:14] <bekks> xubuntu992: How about stating the actual issue you are facing?
[09:15] <xubuntu992> I did earlier, and noone knew the solution
[09:15] <bekks> I had to scrool too much text :)
[09:16] <bekks> *scroll even
[09:16] <xubuntu992> i see, essentially the add version is xubuntu12.04, intel i810 integrated graphics and the issue was that during boot it would display the screen as white with garbled text, xfce and the terminal inside of it however, look just fine, same would go for a tty prompt
[09:17] <xubuntu992> being 4 am in my part of the world, im just wrapping up a reinstallation after breaking things from playing with drivers and heading to bed, ill deal with this more tomorrow
[09:18] <bekks> So which GPU driver did you install?
[09:18] <xubuntu992> it was an intel driver, from another distro  I would imagine, it was in synaptic
[09:18] <xubuntu992> and the xorg intel driver was loaded
[09:19] <bekks> From another distro? I dont believe that.
[09:20] <xubuntu992> I dont mean distro, another version, im sorry *4 am is getting to me
[09:20] <bekks> And which driver was it then?
[09:21] <xubuntu992> the reinstall was already occuring, i cant recall the name right now, it was another listed intel driver inside of the search for the xorg one
[09:23] <bekks> "another", "some" - sorry, too vague to bother further.
[09:23] <xubuntu992> doesnt really affect me hombre, im on my way to bed in about 10 minutes after this grub installation
[09:25] <xubuntu992> ok well im going to bed, deal with this among the living
[09:25] <xubuntu992> goodnight everyone
[10:30] <haled> When I try to login to xubuntu's GDM with the main account it sends me back to the login screen, but the guest account seems to be working fine. What can I do?
[11:43] <xubuntu145> Is there way to get unity like window tiling in xubuntu? (holding titlebar, can put up down left right coner to tile window)
[11:45] <cfhowlett> xubuntu145, the various docks might have that functionality .. cairo-dock?  docky?
[11:46] <tobitobsy> hi, i'm doing the yearly maintenance on my mom's computerwhich runs ubuntu 12.04 LTS with the xubuntu desktop. i just ran ubuntu-support-status and am surprised to see that xubuntu-desktop and many other packes are listed as unsupported. why is this?
[11:46] <TheSheep> cfhowlett: actually it's not the dock
[11:46] <TheSheep> xubuntu145: recent xubutnu should support this
[11:46] <tobitobsy> also, why can't i "send to channel" on #ubuntu ?
[11:47] <TheSheep> xubuntu145: you can enable it in window manager tweaks
[11:47] <TheSheep> tobitobsy: probably because you were banned, go to ubuntu-ops and ask
[11:48] <tobitobsy> TheSheep: i wasn't banned. maybe the webchat is in general? i'll ask there
[11:48] <TheSheep> tobitobsy: someone else who used that ip before you could have been
[11:49] <tobitobsy> yes that'd be possible, if unlikely
[11:50] <ObrienDave> do you have an evil twin? :P
[11:51] <tobitobsy> now that would definitely explain it. but i'm not aware of him.
[11:52] <tobitobsy> my mom can be diabolic sometime, but i doubt she knows what irc is
[11:52] <ObrienDave> weirder things have happened
[11:52] <ObrienDave> ya never know
[11:53] <tobitobsy> oh, do you think you know the answers to my  original question?
[11:54] <TheSheep> I think it's normal, I just checked mine
[11:55] <tobitobsy> hmm, so canonical only supports unity?
[11:56] <ObrienDave> just looked also, 95% come from various PPAs. I don't have a problem with any of them
[11:57] <tobitobsy> http://pastie.org/private/13rhzz1aweoobp5xf8pfq is what i got
[11:57] <tobitobsy> xubuntu-desktop is probably not from some PPA ;)
[11:58] <ObrienDave> no, but i recognize most of your list. i wouldn't worry about them too much
[12:00] <tobitobsy> so you don't think it impacts security support?
[12:00] <ObrienDave> nah, as long as you have security repos enabled
[12:01] <tobitobsy> well that alone doesn't ensure you only have packages which get security support installed
[12:01] <ObrienDave> this is true
[12:01] <tobitobsy> i.e. medibuntu used to be enabled here and there were old packages installed from there.
[12:02] <ObrienDave> medibuntu went *poof*
[12:02] <cfhowlett> tobitobsy, medibuntu is no longer ...
[12:02] <tobitobsy> i'm aware, but how do i find out the ones  which are now not getting security updates?
[12:04] <tobitobsy> i tried with "apt-show-versions|grep -v uptodate" which lists a whole bunch as being "newer than version available in archive", but i seem to have failed in my attempts to downgrade them.
[12:04] <tobitobsy> so how would you go about this?
[12:06] <ObrienDave> i have no clue on that
[12:06] <TheSheep> there is this apt-purge-ppa command
[12:07] <Sysi> I guess xubuntu-desktop is marked as not supported because it isn't 5 year LTS like unity but 3, maybe it's been accidentally marked as not supported after normal 18 months
[12:07] <TheSheep> that removes a ppa from your sources and all packages that were installed from it
[12:07] <nikolam> didn't know medibuntu is gone
[12:07] <ObrienDave> current support for non-server is 9 months
[12:08] <cfhowlett> nikolam, ubuntu-restricted-extras takes care of that stuff now
[12:08] <Sysi> ObrienDave: but when 12.04 was released it was still 18, same for 12.10
[12:08] <ObrienDave> nikolam, yup, about 3-4 months ago
[12:08] <nikolam> cfhowlett, thanks for that info
[12:08] <ObrienDave> Sysi, true
[12:09] <tobitobsy> hmm frankly i don't think ppa-purge would help, since tese are not PPA packages. also ppa-purge has never worked reliably for me.
[13:35] <xubuntu169> have a problem with xfce on 13.10. Although I can use properties to edit the default menu the menu on the desktop is not identical to the one being edited.
[15:00] <zierka> hi! I have a problem with the resolution of my external monitor, can someone help me?
[15:15] <zierka>  hi! I have a problem with the resolution of my external monitor, can someone help me? (2)
[15:39] <GridCube> !details | zierka
[16:20] <zierka> I have a problem with the resolution of my external display on xubuntu 13.10. I attached an lcd monitor to my Ivy bridge laptop with intel hd 4000 video card. My problem is I can't set the resolution of the external display to the native resolution. In Settings Manager > Display > the available resolutions are 1024x768, 800x600, 848x480, 640x480. I have no 1280x1024, which is the native resolution. I *know* that it supports that resolution and that is th
[16:20] <zierka> e normal native, because I checked it on windows. xrandr outputs the same resolutions. Any ideas why there is no 1280x1024?
[16:23] <zierka> It's a 19 inch old samsung syncmaster 940n lcd monitor.
[17:12] <schreber> is there any specific way I can make the terminal open in full screen whenever I open it?
[17:16] <xubuntu899> Does anyone know if xubuntu 13.10 has the broadcom card support already installed on loading? i tried using the ubuntu 13.10 distro on my netbook but it was using too many reesources and it worked with my wifi card right off the bat.
[17:17] <Sysi> xubuntu899: xubuntu has same hardware support as ubuntu
[17:19] <xubuntu899> ok so do you think that it will work right off the bat with my network card and i wont have to go throught the process of installing the STA driver
[17:19] <bekks> That process takes about two minutes.
[17:20] <Sysi> there are different broadcom chips, mine works out of the box
[17:22] <xubuntu899> ive followed all the guides on installing the dirvers and they never worked with lubuntu. ubuntu worked but like i said too many resources. im going to try out xubuntu
[17:22] <bekks> The only difference is the GUI.
[17:22] <bekks> You still have to install the same drivers as you did before.
[17:25] <xubuntu899> then why did i not have to install the drivers when installing ubuntu
[17:28] <bekks> xubuntu899: Ubuntu and Xubuntu have the SAME hardware support. It is just a different GUI.
[17:29] <Reuthermonkey> Hello all.
[17:30] <Reuthermonkey> Installing xubuntu 13.10 to a system using a usb drive as its only storage. any major issues I should be expecting?
[17:30] <Reuthermonkey> other than what google will reveal?
[18:18] <xubuntu717> I HAVE A LAPTOP THAT I WANT USE BUT CAN FING OS FROM MY LAPTOP
[18:20] <bekks> Dont shout please. We can read lowercase too.
[18:30] <Travis> Hello.
[18:31] <Travis> Xubuntu wants to take forever at making my screen come back up, when opening the laptop lid.  What causes this?
[18:48] <Travis> Does anyone here know what causes my laptop to take forever to turn on the screen, after closing it?
[18:49] <Sysi> does it go to hibernate? do you need to press some button?
[18:49] <Sysi> how much is "forever"?
[18:50] <Travis> I close the lid.  It turns black.  When I try to open the lid, it stays black and never comes back up.
[18:51] <Sysi> that's normal for all non-apple laptops I've ever seen
[18:52] <Travis> oh sure!  Now that I've talked to you about it, it quits doing it.
[18:52] <Sysi> complaining in irc usually helps
[18:52] <Sysi> seen it countless times
[18:53] <Travis> I won't ever go apple.
[18:53] <Travis> It would have to be the only computer on earth before that would happen.
[18:55] <Sysi> nice battery life and touchpad, better steam selection than on linux and silverlight videos work
[18:55] <Sysi> though I prefer usability of xfce
[18:55] <Travis> That's why I like xubuntu.
[18:55] <Travis> It is most like Windows, in the way you access menus.
[18:55] <Travis> I find it really hard to use Unity.
[18:57] <Sysi> unity has some silly mishaps, I prefer gnome-shell over it and xfce over gnome-shell because I have more options
[18:57] <Sysi> kde would be great, but it never seems quite bug-free
[18:58] <ROPA> apple is little better than windows with respect to privacy, open sourse as used in 'buntu's is the only os I'll use.
[18:58] <Travis> I am running Xubuntu on a Dell Inspiron 640m.
[18:58] <us^0gb> I don't know about being most like Windows. I like Xfce for the fact that it usually does not remind me of Windows. Though that Xfce task manager is pretty Windows-like ....
[18:58] <Travis> am not on it now, but have that computer on.
[18:58] <Travis> brb, switching to it now.
[18:59] <Travis> ok am on it now :D
[19:00] <Travis> If I could do everything I wanted on Xubuntu,  I'd dump Winblows in a heartbeat.
[19:01] <us^0gb> I can do everything I need in Xubuntu, so I keep it on a USB drive for when my other distribution isn't cutting it.
[19:01] <Sysi> I've never used xfce's task manager, top, ps and kill* feel more handy
[19:04] <Travis> My gf refuses to use Windows, so she's spreading her open source happiness to me :D
[20:30] <sideup66> hello, i need help with xubuntu 12.04 lts
[20:31] <sideup66> im writing because im having a problem with the boot screen, while the system is booting and this also occurs in the tty prompt, the screen is displayed with a white background and the white text is garbled
[20:32] <sideup66> does anyone know how to rectify this issue with the os, this is a clean install fresh off the disc with no modifications as of yet
[20:32] <holstein> !nomodeset | sideup66
[20:33] <holstein> i would just do what it takes to get to a live desktop, and test hardare.. ram, hard drive.. remove the current installation from the equation.. then, i would look into nomodeset or different graphics drivers if needed.. the vesa driver would be an option for me as well
[20:33] <sideup66> fair enough will do, this application is on a beige box system, also does it matter that the issue persists past boot into the tty prompts as well
[20:34] <sideup66> does the vesa driver pertain to intel integrated chipsets as well?
[20:34] <holstein> sideup66: the color wont matter at all, i assure you .. the driver support can cause that, as well as bad hardware
[20:34] <holstein> !vesa
[20:34] <sideup66> i see, it currently uses the xorg-intel driver by what I have researched already
[20:35] <holstein> sideup66: then, you can try another, since the graphics are "garbled" for you.. assuming you have troubleshooted the other options mentioned
[20:36] <holstein> sideup66: i usually do whatever it takes to get to a live desktop before installation.. live.. from the cd, before installing to the hard drive
[20:36] <sideup66> actually, for some strange reason the live disk boots fine, the grub menu shows and boot procedure is all well there
[20:37] <holstein> sideup66: then, that supports that the hard disk could be the issue.. or your currently installed OS
[20:38] <sideup66> on a clean install i just literally installed and shut down last evening?
[20:39] <holstein> sideup66: whats the difference in the LIVE cd and the installed OS? did you apply updates during the install? if not, then one main difference is the hard drive, which is *old* and could be damaged, if you havent tested it
[20:40] <holstein> if you applied upgrades during the install then the newer kernel could be causing issues with the grphics driver support that the older one on the live CD didnt
[20:41] <sideup66> no nothing had been done at this point since installation
[20:41] <sideup66> it is literally clean, also update didnt help in previous attempt
[20:42] <sideup66> right now going to try the parameters mentioned for grub
[20:42] <holstein> that wont fix the failing hardware, if that is the issue
[20:42] <holstein> sideup66: nothing software will fix that drive if its the issue
[20:43] <sideup66> the drive seems to work fine, it was used in this machine before and when formatted and installed to no issues were presented
[20:43] <holstein> sideup66: if you havent tested, you are assuming
[20:43] <holstein> sideup66: it *can* be causing the issue, and you will be wasting time with software solutions if its the problem
[20:44] <holstein> sideup66: if the driver in the kernel on the live CD supported the graphics, then the same kernel that got installed should be supporting it
[20:44] <holstein> sideup66: could be the cable to the hard drive...
[20:46] <sideup66> i see, also i just checked for the vesa driver and it is indeed installed under xorg-xvideo-xvesa , also to note there are entries listed for lts-raring and lts-horntail
[20:47] <sideup66> are these from different ubuntu editions?
[20:48] <balsaq> hi everyone
[20:49] <holstein> sideup66: you dont need to "install" the vesa driver.. you would need to configure the system to use it.. you could put a custom xorg.conf in place
[20:50] <holstein> sideup66: all the drivers you would need for intel hardware are included in the kernel
[20:50] <sideup66> I see, and sounds good, i am trying nomodset right now as I have a feeling its a simple issue with drivers loading too soon and the shell formats itself that way keeping it in that state
[20:51] <sideup66> if this does not help I will try the vesa configuration next
[20:51] <holstein> sideup66: the drivers are in the kernel, and load the same as the load in the live CD
[20:51] <holstein> sideup66: vesa and nomodeset should be utilizing a "safe graphics mode"
[20:52] <holstein> sideup66: you can boot the machine from the recovery kernel mode to get to a root shell, and see if the system is working or not
[20:52] <sideup66> I see, as I stated I remember another distro using that combination without issues in the past, this machine is a bit of a beige so specifics are fuzzy
[20:52] <holstein> sideup66: if it were me, i would run a smart test on the hard drive, since that is the biggest difference in the live environment (which you say worked) and the installed OS
[20:53] <holstein> sideup66: the color is irrelevant.. so is the age, other than to help determine that parts *can* be failing.. such as the hard drive and/or the grahpics card
[20:53] <sideup66> how could you test the graphics card mainly
[20:54] <holstein> sideup66: take it to another machine.. use another graphics card in the machine.. test it with a live CD.. some other more specific ways electronically that i wouldnt know how to do
[20:56] <sideup66> no extra card lying about so that option is out, I could always fsck the disk....
[20:56] <holstein> sideup66: or, just test it.. with a smart test..
[20:57] <holstein> fsck, nor any other software will fix a broken drive
[22:14] <xubuntu732> hi can some one give a little hand here please, got a problem with the update manage keeps failing the download package and bombs out.
[22:40] <balsaq> can u elaborate a bit more on that xub
[22:41] <bekks> balsaq: He left long ago.
[22:41] <balsaq> vague question
[22:42] <bekks> Quit message at 23:24 - long ago :)
[22:42] <balsaq> yeah i beter get those time stamps back in there
[22:43] <balsaq> test
[22:43] <balsaq> ok got them
[22:43] <balsaq> no one helped him?
[22:44] <bekks> He waited for 10 minutes and left the channel without a further comment.
[22:45] <balsaq> i still use synaptics but i have heard i dont need too anymore
[22:45] <bekks> ?
[22:45] <balsaq> SPM
[22:45] <bekks> What are you talking about?
[22:46] <balsaq> when i see updates
[22:46] <balsaq> i run synaptics package manager
[22:46] <bekks> And?
[22:46] <balsaq> i like it
[22:46] <bekks> Good.
[22:46] <balsaq> seems very effective
[22:47] <bekks> It is capable of installing and removing software.
[22:47] <balsaq> then i run the autoremove command but prolly dont have too
[22:47] <balsaq> seems to keep things tidy here though