[07:47] <MartijnVdS> nice bit of history: http://spinellis.gr/blog/20131211/
[09:12] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:20] <AlanBell> morning bigcalm
[10:28] <MartijnVdS> \o
[10:43] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[11:24] <bigcalm> Morning morning
[11:24] <brobostigon> morning bigcalm
[11:25]  * MartijnVdS is a bit tired
[11:25] <MartijnVdS> did a 15km run earlier
[11:25] <brobostigon> wow.
[11:25] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: practicing for the 20km run in early March :)
[11:25] <bigcalm> Got my whole office sorted out. 2 servers, my workstation, modem and router are now on UPS. Everything is _clean_. And I managed to free up 3 mains sockets!
[11:25] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: good luck, :)
[11:26] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: More free sockets \o/
[11:26] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: I don't know what I'll do with those free sockets now though
[11:30] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: guard them. Make sure they're only used in emergencies
[11:30] <bigcalm> I'm a little confused by the spec of my UPS. It's listed as providing 2.4 minutes under half load. Yet this tells me otherwise: http://proliant/ups/
[11:31] <MartijnVdS> that URL won't work for us
[11:31] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: I shall print labels for that reason
[11:31] <bigcalm> Good point ;)
[11:31] <bigcalm> http://discworld.cuth.eu/ups/
[11:31] <bigcalm> There you go
[11:31] <MartijnVdS> the best way to determine runtime under load is to pull the plug and get a stop watch
[11:31] <MartijnVdS> battery.runtime.low	:	120
[11:32] <MartijnVdS> so it'll run for 2 minutes when the battery has gone bad
[11:32]  * bigcalm scratches his head
[11:32] <MartijnVdS> or worst-case anyway
[11:32] <bigcalm> I see
[11:33] <bigcalm> So the specs on the website/box are for that worst-case
[11:33]  * bigcalm nods
[11:33] <bigcalm> I'm pleased that any UPS alarms that are broadcast to the server are also broadcast on my workstation
[11:34] <bigcalm> Time to throw the power to see what happens :)
[11:34] <bigcalm> It's on battery! woop
[11:35] <MartijnVdS> Get it to broadcast it to an android app too, using the built-in cloud messaging bits
[11:35] <bigcalm> That's odd. The load has dropped to 37%
[11:36] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: why? maybe your machine throttles when it detects UPS-on-battery?
[11:36] <MartijnVdS> disk shutdown, etc.
[11:36] <bigcalm> Maybe so!
[11:36] <MartijnVdS> laptop-mode 8-)
[11:36] <bigcalm> I didn't hear any change in noise though
[11:37] <MartijnVdS> maybe the measurements were off somehow?
[11:37] <bigcalm> Maybe
[11:39] <bigcalm> Tum te tum
[11:40] <bigcalm> Wish I knew how to show the battery icon on my workstation though
[11:41] <bigcalm> shutdown!
[11:41] <MartijnVdS> that's more than 2 minutes
[11:45] <bigcalm> Ug
[11:46] <bigcalm> 11:34 -> 11:41
[11:46] <bigcalm> Not too bad I guess
[11:46] <bigcalm> Only problem is I forgot to let the Windows server know that it's on an UPS
[11:47] <bigcalm> Ubuntu server and Ubuntu workstation both shut down correctly
[11:47] <bigcalm> Windows server just lost power :)
[11:48] <bigcalm> I wonder if there is a Windows client for nut
[11:48] <bigcalm> Ooo, there be
[12:14] <popey> Afternoon.
[12:14] <bigcalm> Howdy
[16:02] <arc__> Hey what ubuntu/linux distro is good for a idiot friendly home server
[16:03] <Azelphur> arc__: ubuntu server edition
[16:04] <arc__> Ok good start but onw that has a easy to use ui
[16:07] <ali1234> if you partition an SSD, does it cause extra write amplification?
[16:11] <bigcalm> Afternoon moreati
[16:11] <penguin42> ali1234: I think the trick is to ensure the partitions are suitably aligned
[16:11] <ali1234> also, is a swap partition still necesary for suspend etc?
[16:12] <moreati> bigcalm: lo
[16:12] <penguin42> ali1234: If you get it wrong then you can end up with blocks on the filesystem split across multiple blocks of flash
[16:12] <ali1234> how do i ensure that the partitions are correctly aligned using the ubuntu installer?
[16:13] <penguin42> now that I don't know
[16:23]  * bigcalm gives up, gah
[16:43] <ali1234> hmmmmm... do i want a gpt or msdos partition table?
[16:43] <penguin42> ali1234: Size of disk?
[16:43] <ali1234> 120GB SSD
[16:44] <penguin42> dos is fine, personally I'd create a /boot and a single 2nd partition which I'd then lvm
[16:44] <ali1234> why separate boot?
[16:44] <penguin42> hmm I think grub might actually be able to live on an lvm partition these days - but not sure
[16:45] <ali1234> and why lvm for that matter?
[16:46] <ali1234> this is a brand new haswell UEFI system...
[16:46] <ali1234> i would like to avoid any legacy nonsense, if at all possible
[16:46] <ali1234> (msdos partition table that is)
[16:47] <penguin42> oh if it's UEFI I think that might be best with GPT but I think it requires a FAT partition to hold the UEFI magic bits but can't rmember the details
[16:48] <ali1234> hmm this looks hard
[16:49] <ali1234> i might just do a legacy install then :/
[16:49] <ali1234> i suppose i could just let the installer do whatever it wants and see what happens
[16:50] <ali1234> i'm gonna try it
[16:50] <ali1234> i can always start over
[17:11] <daftykins> ali1234: haswell setup, is that an early christmas present to yourself? :)
[17:11] <ali1234> no it's for my dad
[17:12] <daftykins> ah
[17:12] <daftykins> is it on the way with a legacy install now?
[17:13] <ali1234> i dunno
[17:13] <ali1234> i just told the installer to do everything automatic
[17:13] <ali1234> then i'll see what happened
[17:13] <daftykins> ah right
[17:13] <daftykins> yeah i can't say i have a clue how to check for partition alignment
[17:14] <daftykins> that's even true of my greater knowledge in Windows land - where all i know is you need SP1'd media of 7 to partition SSDs properly to the 4K alignment
[17:14] <daftykins> well, and advanced format HDDs
[17:14] <daftykins> but no idea how to graphically confirm it
[17:16] <ali1234> well it boots very very fast so that's good
[17:16] <ali1234> like 4 seconds
[17:18] <ali1234> it made a gpt
[17:18] <daftykins> yeah must've booted in EFI mode then
[17:19] <ali1234> i went a bit ott with this system... it has SSD, 8GB and i5 CPU
[17:19] <ali1234> my dad only checks his email and internet banking so he's getting ubuntu. don't need windows for that
[17:20] <ali1234> it's hilariously fast though. faster than my computer
[17:22] <daftykins> hehehe
[17:23] <daftykins> if i were you i'd have planned it as an upgrade :)
[17:23] <daftykins> which i5 is it?
[17:23] <ali1234> 3.1GHz
[17:23] <ali1234> i think it's 4440 or something
[17:23] <daftykins> ah yeah, £140 odd
[17:23] <ali1234> yeah, i5-4440
[19:20] <ali1234> how do i get rid of just the commercial results in the dash, just for one user?
[19:20] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: in "Settings" there's "Privacy"
[19:20] <ali1234> that disables all online results completely
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> ... yes?
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> isn't that what the commercial ones are?
[19:21] <ali1234> i only want to hide the amazon and U1 music ones
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> only by removing the packages I guess.. so system-wide
[19:21] <AlanBell> open the dash, go to the apps page at the bottom
[19:21] <ali1234> i want weather, wikipedia etc to still work
[19:21]  * MartijnVdS never uses the dash
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> just Alt+F2
[19:21] <ali1234> AlanBell: then what?
[19:22] <AlanBell> scroll down, you can click any of the dash plugins and then disable them
[19:22] <ali1234> which one is the apps page?
[19:22] <ali1234> the "A" thing?
[19:22] <AlanBell> yeah, however I can't see the shopping one :/
[19:23] <ali1234> how do you go back in the dash?
[19:23] <AlanBell> ah, because I had all online ones turned off
[19:24] <AlanBell> there is an amazon option, which you can individually disable
[19:24] <ali1234> yeah i found it
[19:24] <ali1234> thanks
[19:24] <AlanBell> this is in saucy and above
[19:27] <ali1234> there's an awful lot of these and there is no way to quickly disable a whole load of them
[19:27] <ali1234> quite annoying really
[19:27] <ali1234> i guess i'll just disable all online stuff
[19:29] <ali1234> and so much for this being a smart search
[19:29] <ali1234> no matter what i type, at least 10 different people have made a song named that, apparently
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> asdsdfsdfa?
[19:33] <ali1234> yes, exactly 10 hits for that
[19:35] <daftykins> XD
[19:36] <ali1234> the trouble with this is, all the results are completely random and not what i want
[19:36] <daftykins> what are you after?
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: "No commercial search providers for only one user, but not disabling other online sources like wikipedia"
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> http://azac.pl/cobol-on-wheelchair/
[23:02] <ali1234> these fans i bought have a "low speed adapter" which is just an inline resistor
[23:03] <ali1234> the fans are rated 3A, but this appears to be a 2W resistor. i don't see how that is even remotely safe...