| Kilos | morning all | 04:43 |
|---|---|---|
| * oupateddie wave | 11:29 | |
| Kilos | ohi oupateddie | 11:30 |
| Kilos | whats news? | 11:30 |
| oupateddie | howzit, tell me I have kubuntu installed and have added ubuntu desktop | 11:31 |
| oupateddie | but I cannot see the unity option on switch on | 11:31 |
| Kilos | it should show when you get to where you type in your password | 11:33 |
| Kilos | you tick a little icon top right of the passwd window | 11:33 |
| Kilos | but even while saying that i once installed kde onto a unity os and it took over and didnt give me a choice | 11:34 |
| oupateddie | from unity I see the kubuntu but not the other way around | 11:35 |
| oupateddie | the machine starts kubuntu and does not show the ubuntut/unity option | 11:35 |
| Kilos | sjoe | 11:35 |
| Kilos | charl, ping | 11:36 |
| Kilos | no one here today, only me looks like | 11:36 |
| oupateddie | I'll google a bit | 11:38 |
| Kilos | im looking too | 11:38 |
| Kilos | not many use both. kde guys stick to kde and unity guys the same | 11:39 |
| oupateddie | wait, it seems I did not complete the insttallation | 11:40 |
| Kilos | aha | 11:40 |
| oupateddie | busy redo ing it | 11:40 |
| Kilos | use aptitude | 11:40 |
| Kilos | and read what it wants to do before saying yes | 11:41 |
| Kilos | if it wants to remove one or other desktop say no | 11:41 |
| oupateddie | it's busy | 11:42 |
| Kilos | did you find kde hard to use | 11:43 |
| oupateddie | no kilos I'm busy playing and I like it | 11:44 |
| Kilos | great, i love it just upgraded my 12.04 kubuntu to the latest kde 4.10 | 11:45 |
| Kilos | took lotsa work to sort everything but now its very kiff | 11:45 |
| Kilos | 10 workspaces each with a different wallpaper | 11:46 |
| oupateddie | I have K13.10 installed | 11:49 |
| oupateddie | and it works fine at this stage | 11:50 |
| Kilos | i liked it as well only the short support was a prob for me with mobile broadband use | 11:52 |
| charl | hi Kilos | 12:56 |
| charl | hi all | 12:56 |
| charl | Maaz_: coffee on | 12:56 |
| * Maaz_ flips the salt-timer | 12:56 | |
| Kilos | oupateddie, you winning? | 12:57 |
| Kilos | Maaz_, coffee please | 12:57 |
| Maaz_ | Kilos: Yessir | 12:57 |
| Kilos | charl see if you can figure whats oupas prob if he dont win there please | 12:57 |
| charl | reading | 12:58 |
| Kilos | i got unity and kde on separate drives so dont have probs | 12:59 |
| charl | if you install both unity and kde on the same system you get the option to select at the desktop manager | 12:59 |
| charl | a desktop manager on linux is basically the login screen | 12:59 |
| Kilos | i thought so ya | 13:00 |
| Maaz_ | Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos! | 13:00 |
| charl | in the unity desktop manager there is a little gear icon if memory serves ccorrectly | 13:00 |
| Kilos | maybe he has come right | 13:00 |
| charl | Maaz_: thanks | 13:00 |
| Maaz_ | charl: No problem | 13:00 |
| Kilos | he has kde first | 13:00 |
| Kilos | Maaz_, ty | 13:00 |
| Maaz_ | You are welcome Kilos | 13:00 |
| charl | if in kde there is a drop down | 13:00 |
| charl | but they keep changing where it is | 13:00 |
| charl | in the latest version of kde it changed yet again | 13:01 |
| charl | a login screen is so simple but they keep wanting to make it look fancy | 13:01 |
| charl | so they keep changing it | 13:01 |
| charl | look around properly on the login screen | 13:02 |
| charl | there must be an option somewhere | 13:02 |
| Kilos | ty lets here what he says | 13:02 |
| Kilos | maybe its fixed now | 13:02 |
| charl | just click on everything and see what happens :) | 13:02 |
| Kilos | lol | 13:02 |
| charl | yeah if all else fails just brute force it | 13:03 |
| Kilos | my kde is very lekker now | 13:03 |
| charl | you on kde 4.11? | 13:03 |
| Kilos | he wont know how to force | 13:03 |
| Kilos | oh no 4.10 | 13:03 |
| Kilos | on 12.04 | 13:03 |
| charl | i run it inside a VM at work ad it is really fast and stable now | 13:03 |
| charl | very different than the first couple of versions of kde4 | 13:04 |
| Kilos | thats what comes with 13.10 hey? | 13:04 |
| charl | yes | 13:04 |
| charl | i run debian7 as my host (stable) | 13:04 |
| Kilos | yeah i enjoyed it once setup. was lekker fast | 13:05 |
| charl | and then i can run all the latest stuff inside a series of VMs | 13:05 |
| Kilos | well see when i get another mobo if i can then run vms | 13:05 |
| Kilos | but ill sit with 12.04 for a while | 13:06 |
| charl | i can't run ubuntu as my host because vmware keeps choking over the new kernels | 13:06 |
| charl | so i run debian stable on a ancient ernel | 13:06 |
| charl | *kernel | 13:06 |
| Kilos | eish thats too involved for me | 13:06 |
| Kilos | im only small | 13:07 |
| charl | vmware compiles itself into the kernel somehow, quite pesky | 13:07 |
| charl | you would not have that issue with virtualbox though if you use the one that ships with ubuntu | 13:08 |
| Kilos | whew | 13:08 |
| Kilos | oupateddie, you gotta tell us whats happening | 13:10 |
| Kilos | yeah but virtualbox runs rather slow here charl | 13:11 |
| Kilos | i got it working but 1.5g ram to min | 13:12 |
| charl | no i got 16gb stuffed into my workl machine | 13:12 |
| Kilos | wow | 13:13 |
| charl | got 4gb in my laptop at home but i don't do much with virtualisation here | 13:13 |
| Kilos | this pc takes ddr ram and very hard to comeby | 13:13 |
| charl | bah | 13:13 |
| Kilos | the less i spend on data the more i save towards pc stuff | 13:14 |
| Kilos | in some years ill have an i7 | 13:14 |
| charl | if you have multiple cores with hardware virtualisation it will work lekker | 13:15 |
| charl | especially with lots of ram | 13:15 |
| Kilos | ya with ddr2 or 3 ram | 13:15 |
| charl | cause that's the #1 thing you need | 13:15 |
| Kilos | nlsthzn, has sent me a i3 mobo with 4g ram i think | 13:16 |
| charl | even my core i3 laptop works good if i don't assign too much ram to a guest os | 13:16 |
| charl | mobo? | 13:16 |
| Kilos | motherboard | 13:16 |
| charl | ah nice | 13:16 |
| Kilos | yeah will be lekker | 13:16 |
| charl | that is enough for a start | 13:16 |
| charl | awesome stuff | 13:17 |
| Kilos | well thats already more than double the ram i have here | 13:17 |
| charl | i gotta go out for a bit | 13:17 |
| charl | bbl | 13:17 |
| Kilos | ok | 13:17 |
| Kilos | hi Mezenir | 13:53 |
| magespawn | good afternoon | 14:17 |
| Kilos | ohi agewb | 14:17 |
| Kilos | ai! | 14:17 |
| Kilos | hi magespawn | 14:17 |
| magespawn | lol | 14:17 |
| magespawn | hey Kilos | 14:17 |
| Kilos | hows things there lad | 14:18 |
| Kilos | long time no see man | 14:18 |
| magespawn | yup time flies, and i for get to check in regularly | 14:18 |
| Kilos | ai! | 14:18 |
| Kilos | when you getting the home setup done | 14:19 |
| magespawn | when time and money permit | 14:21 |
| Kilos | ai! | 14:21 |
| Kilos | hows the family? | 14:21 |
| magespawn | all good, the kids are up with the inlaws | 14:22 |
| Kilos | lekker honeymoon time | 14:22 |
| magespawn | time to sleep | 14:23 |
| Kilos | ai! | 14:24 |
| aquarat | time to go in the pool :P | 14:24 |
| aquarat | Hi Kilos :) | 14:24 |
| Kilos | hi aquarat | 14:24 |
| magespawn | bbl going for a walk with the wife | 15:08 |
| Kilos | ok | 15:09 |
| Kilos | hold hands | 15:09 |
| theblazehen | hi guys | 15:30 |
| Kilos | hi theblazehen | 15:30 |
| charl | hi theblazehen | 15:33 |
| charl | hi aquarat | 15:33 |
| charl | hi magespawn | 15:33 |
| charl | hi Mezenir | 15:33 |
| theblazehen | hey charrl | 15:33 |
| theblazehen | charl* | 15:33 |
| charl | i am currently using markdown for some docs but i discovered it's too limiting | 15:37 |
| charl | i thought up an alternative but i don't know what to call it | 15:37 |
| nlsthzn | Kilos, slightly older than i3... it is a quad core (first gen) Q6600 | 15:37 |
| Kilos | hi nlsthzn | 15:38 |
| charl | i thought of just calling it farkup - markup with the m replaced with a f .. | 15:38 |
| Kilos | markless | 15:39 |
| charl | yeah farkup sounds a bit strange | 15:39 |
| Kilos | f is only good to use in food | 15:39 |
| charl | markless would work better | 15:39 |
| charl | thanks for the good suggestion | 15:39 |
| Kilos | or marklow | 15:39 |
| Kilos | yw | 15:39 |
| charl | this way i can give a presentation of it without making people laugh at the name | 15:40 |
| Kilos | lol | 15:40 |
| theblazehen | charl, looking forward to seeing it. Similar to markdown? | 15:40 |
| charl | yes in principle | 15:41 |
| charl | except easier to parse and more powerful | 15:41 |
| theblazehen | will it be backwards compatible? That would be a good thing to have going for it | 15:41 |
| theblazehen | ah, ok | 15:41 |
| theblazehen | As well as easily human readable right? | 15:41 |
| charl | no markdown is already too fragmented | 15:41 |
| charl | yes most definitely easily human readable | 15:41 |
| theblazehen | ok, good :) | 15:42 |
| charl | i am going to write a spec | 15:42 |
| theblazehen | When are you thinking of publishing it? | 15:42 |
| theblazehen | I can't wait! | 15:42 |
| charl | but i want to write the spec itself in markless | 15:42 |
| charl | and to publish it i would need a working parser first | 15:42 |
| theblazehen | I might even for haroopad :) (A markdown editor) | 15:42 |
| charl | but it won't take much time | 15:42 |
| charl | i want to write the first parser in java with simple string buffer and jsoup to generate html | 15:43 |
| theblazehen | Parser into html + CSS or what? PDF? | 15:43 |
| theblazehen | ah, ok | 15:43 |
| charl | build and serialise a dom | 15:43 |
| charl | yeah converter to html5 | 15:43 |
| charl | it's a good thing because from dec 25 to jan 1 i have a week free | 15:44 |
| charl | so i have time now | 15:44 |
| charl | but last week i fell and broke my elbow, so my right arm is in gipsum right now | 15:44 |
| charl | that makes it difficult to type :( | 15:44 |
| charl | due to holidays the plaster will only get taken off on the 30th | 15:44 |
| theblazehen | ah ok | 15:45 |
| theblazehen | lol, also on holiday 25jan - 1dec | 15:45 |
| theblazehen | oops, 25dec-1jan | 15:45 |
| charl | lol | 15:45 |
| charl | nice then you have almost the whole year off :P | 15:45 |
| theblazehen | ooh, yeah :) | 15:46 |
| * nlsthzn having dinner back later | 15:47 | |
| Kilos | enjoy nlsthzn | 15:47 |
| oupateddie | I'm back | 16:08 |
| Kilos | hi oupateddie what happened | 17:02 |
| oupateddie | its working | 17:03 |
| Kilos | did you read charl gave some tips too | 17:03 |
| Kilos | oyay | 17:03 |
| oupateddie | but kubuntu landed me in a spot of bother today | 17:04 |
| Kilos | i need help too | 17:05 |
| Kilos | http://www.amazon.com/The-Miracle-Magnesium-Carolyn-Dean/dp/0345445880#reader_0345445880 | 17:05 |
| Kilos | i can read that book online and i see the option to print. what does that do | 17:05 |
| Kilos | i got no printer | 17:05 |
| Kilos | can it print it to my desktop | 17:06 |
| oupateddie | I used kubuntu to install thunderbird. On Ubuntu it installs but do not overwrite the current existing folder. Kubuntu installed and overwrote the existing folder losing al of 2 yearrs' emails | 17:06 |
| Kilos | ouch | 17:06 |
| Kilos | arent they still online though | 17:07 |
| oupateddie | Kilos have you tried epub reader as an add-on to firefox | 17:07 |
| Kilos | i use opera and i just want to download the thing as to read online is too much | 17:08 |
| oupateddie | Have you serached for the book in some of the free epubs | 17:26 |
| theblazehen | Kilos: I like calibre as a epub reader | 17:29 |
| Kilos | its a book a doctor sells, i was wondering if it is readable online then surely it must be downloadable or saveable or something | 17:31 |
| Kilos | but you cant copy paste there | 17:31 |
| Kilos | its no good even worrying about a reader if i cant get the book | 17:34 |
| oupateddie | nope I can't find it | 17:40 |
| charl | you can print it as a pdf no? | 17:42 |
| magespawn | hey all | 17:43 |
| Langjan | Hi kilos | 17:43 |
| Kilos | hi Langjan im glad to see you | 17:43 |
| Kilos | what did you break now | 17:44 |
| Kilos | wb magespawn | 17:44 |
| Langjan | same here, how are things? | 17:44 |
| Kilos | good ty and you | 17:44 |
| Langjan | Jy maak my skaam... | 17:44 |
| Kilos | i want to ask you about ionic magnesium | 17:44 |
| Langjan | finee thks | 17:44 |
| Kilos | hoekom man | 17:44 |
| Langjan | As ek hier opkom het ek iets gebreek | 17:45 |
| Kilos | hahaha | 17:45 |
| Langjan | ionic magnesium? klink na nog 'n foefie | 17:45 |
| Kilos | waarmee het jy hulp nodig oom | 17:45 |
| Kilos | nee man | 17:45 |
| Langjan | om ionic mag te verstaan | 17:46 |
| Kilos | http://www.amazon.com/Ionic-Magnesium-400-replaces-786601001072/dp/B000OLR1KC | 17:46 |
| oupateddie | Nee wat Kilos, ek is nog OK sover | 17:46 |
| Kilos | mooi oupateddie | 17:46 |
| Kilos | see naand vir n regte oupa | 17:46 |
| Kilos | ohi superfly | 17:47 |
| Langjan | jy mors jou geld my vriend | 17:47 |
| Kilos | watse magnesium kan ek dan vat? | 17:47 |
| Kilos | meer my swaar as ek | 17:48 |
| Langjan | Natuurlike voedselvorm, die liggaam verstaan nie al daai fancy goed nie. En met die regte ko=--faktore vir goeie benutting. o | 17:48 |
| Langjan | ek stuuur vir jou per eposu | 17:48 |
| Kilos | kyk na jou pm | 17:50 |
| Kilos | private message ding | 17:50 |
| Kilos | jy gebruik mos xchat?\ | 17:50 |
| charl | hi Langjan | 17:59 |
| charl | i'm busy doing tests on my internet - have you people ever heard of pingtest.net? | 17:59 |
| Kilos | speedtest.net | 17:59 |
| charl | yeah i know that one but i only discovered pingtest now | 18:00 |
| charl | it looks at your quality of bandwidth not just the throughput | 18:00 |
| charl | here's my result: http://www.pingtest.net/result/90806521.png | 18:00 |
| Kilos | ah | 18:00 |
| Kilos | will look a bit later. got tons open on browser | 18:01 |
| charl | for packet loss testing you need java - bah :( | 18:01 |
| charl | java in a browser sucks | 18:02 |
| charl | heh now i try again and i end up testing against a server in frankfurt http://www.pingtest.net/result/90806635.png | 18:03 |
| Kilos | Langjan, what do you need help with? | 18:05 |
| Kilos | charl, i dont understand what that pingtest is telling you apart from time taken | 18:49 |
| Kilos | oh my goodness this month has flown. meeting tomorrow night superfly and others | 18:52 |
| Kilos | inetpro, ping | 18:52 |
| Kilos | last one of the year | 18:52 |
| magespawn | I heard that Kilos | 19:07 |
| magespawn | will try to remember | 19:07 |
| Kilos | cool magespawn | 19:07 |
| Kilos | i think it will be like an open evening with no fixed agenda as such | 19:08 |
| magespawn | alrighty then | 19:09 |
| Kilos | charl, there is a command that does packet loss etc | 19:09 |
| Kilos | dont ask me ask inetpro | 19:09 |
| theblazehen | Kilos, thinking of mtr ? | 19:11 |
| theblazehen | should be in repos | 19:11 |
| Kilos | i think so | 19:11 |
| Kilos | if i member right i got the tiny thing | 19:11 |
| Kilos | ya mtr-tiny | 19:12 |
| theblazehen | ah :) | 19:12 |
| theblazehen | Is there a difference? | 19:13 |
| Kilos | the pro had me use it but thats already in the lost and found section of the head | 19:13 |
| Kilos | there was a slight diffs i think | 19:13 |
| Kilos | not major | 19:13 |
| theblazehen | ah ok. I just use the full one | 19:14 |
| theblazehen | Does it work well for you? | 19:14 |
| Kilos | mtr-tiny is installed by default | 19:14 |
| theblazehen | I have insanely high packet loss for the first few seconds? | 19:14 |
| theblazehen | ah, kk | 19:14 |
| Kilos | i dont remember much but i saw % packet loss and so on | 19:14 |
| Kilos | if i dont use a thing daily i forget | 19:15 |
| theblazehen | ah, kk, ty | 19:16 |
| magespawn | http://www.bitwizard.nl/mtr/ here is some more info | 19:28 |
| Kilos | oh ya i think i used traceroot | 19:42 |
| charl | Kilos: yeah i don't actually see the benefit of it | 19:56 |
| charl | Kilos: any ping tool if given enough time will show you packet loss statistics | 19:56 |
| magespawn | charl this looks like live running statistics | 20:04 |
| magespawn | i do not see away to make it ping a destination that you want though | 20:05 |
| Kilos | traceroute www.google.com | 20:05 |
| Kilos | i think i used that | 20:06 |
| Kilos | thye pro will know | 20:06 |
| magespawn | not so sure about mtr though | 20:07 |
| Kilos | i think traceroute uses it | 20:07 |
| Kilos | traceroute dont work unless mtr or mtr-tiny is installed | 20:08 |
| magespawn | mtr is the same type mtr www.somewebsite.com or ip address | 20:08 |
| Kilos | ah | 20:08 |
| Kilos | dont forget the meet magespawn | 20:09 |
| Kilos | i near bed time | 20:09 |
| magespawn | indeed checked the calender it is there | 20:09 |
| Kilos | Maaz_, announce Meeting tomorrow night at 20.30 guys | 20:09 |
| Maaz_ | Announcement from Kilos! Meeting tomorrow night at 20.30 guys | 20:09 |
| Kilos | bring all your ideas | 20:10 |
| magespawn | i like that tool very nice | 20:10 |
| Kilos | i dunno where the pro is hiding | 20:10 |
| magespawn | holidays, family maybe | 20:10 |
| Kilos | mtr? | 20:10 |
| magespawn | ? | 20:10 |
| magespawn | that is the command for running mtr-tiny i think | 20:11 |
| magespawn | https://library.linode.com/linux-tools/mtr | 20:12 |
| charl | mtr looks good | 20:15 |
| magespawn | looks like it would be useful on a local network too | 20:18 |
| magespawn | bed time for me, good night all | 20:20 |
| Kilos | night magespawn | 20:21 |
| Kilos | sleep tight | 20:21 |
| Kilos | night all. lekker slaap | 20:27 |
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