[04:43] morning all [11:29] * oupateddie wave [11:30] ohi oupateddie [11:30] whats news? [11:31] howzit, tell me I have kubuntu installed and have added ubuntu desktop [11:31] but I cannot see the unity option on switch on [11:33] it should show when you get to where you type in your password [11:33] you tick a little icon top right of the passwd window [11:34] but even while saying that i once installed kde onto a unity os and it took over and didnt give me a choice [11:35] from unity I see the kubuntu but not the other way around [11:35] the machine starts kubuntu and does not show the ubuntut/unity option [11:35] sjoe [11:36] charl, ping [11:36] no one here today, only me looks like [11:38] I'll google a bit [11:38] im looking too [11:39] not many use both. kde guys stick to kde and unity guys the same [11:40] wait, it seems I did not complete the insttallation [11:40] aha [11:40] busy redo ing it [11:40] use aptitude [11:41] and read what it wants to do before saying yes [11:41] if it wants to remove one or other desktop say no [11:42] it's busy [11:43] did you find kde hard to use [11:44] no kilos I'm busy playing and I like it [11:45] great, i love it just upgraded my 12.04 kubuntu to the latest kde 4.10 [11:45] took lotsa work to sort everything but now its very kiff [11:46] 10 workspaces each with a different wallpaper [11:49] I have K13.10 installed [11:50] and it works fine at this stage [11:52] i liked it as well only the short support was a prob for me with mobile broadband use [12:56] hi Kilos [12:56] hi all [12:56] Maaz_: coffee on [12:56] * Maaz_ flips the salt-timer [12:57] oupateddie, you winning? [12:57] Maaz_, coffee please [12:57] Kilos: Yessir [12:57] charl see if you can figure whats oupas prob if he dont win there please [12:58] reading [12:59] i got unity and kde on separate drives so dont have probs [12:59] if you install both unity and kde on the same system you get the option to select at the desktop manager [12:59] a desktop manager on linux is basically the login screen [13:00] i thought so ya [13:00] Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos! [13:00] in the unity desktop manager there is a little gear icon if memory serves ccorrectly [13:00] maybe he has come right [13:00] Maaz_: thanks [13:00] charl: No problem [13:00] he has kde first [13:00] Maaz_, ty [13:00] You are welcome Kilos [13:00] if in kde there is a drop down [13:00] but they keep changing where it is [13:01] in the latest version of kde it changed yet again [13:01] a login screen is so simple but they keep wanting to make it look fancy [13:01] so they keep changing it [13:02] look around properly on the login screen [13:02] there must be an option somewhere [13:02] ty lets here what he says [13:02] maybe its fixed now [13:02] just click on everything and see what happens :) [13:02] lol [13:03] yeah if all else fails just brute force it [13:03] my kde is very lekker now [13:03] you on kde 4.11? [13:03] he wont know how to force [13:03] oh no 4.10 [13:03] on 12.04 [13:03] i run it inside a VM at work ad it is really fast and stable now [13:04] very different than the first couple of versions of kde4 [13:04] thats what comes with 13.10 hey? [13:04] yes [13:04] i run debian7 as my host (stable) [13:05] yeah i enjoyed it once setup. was lekker fast [13:05] and then i can run all the latest stuff inside a series of VMs [13:05] well see when i get another mobo if i can then run vms [13:06] but ill sit with 12.04 for a while [13:06] i can't run ubuntu as my host because vmware keeps choking over the new kernels [13:06] so i run debian stable on a ancient ernel [13:06] *kernel [13:06] eish thats too involved for me [13:07] im only small [13:07] vmware compiles itself into the kernel somehow, quite pesky [13:08] you would not have that issue with virtualbox though if you use the one that ships with ubuntu [13:08] whew [13:10] oupateddie, you gotta tell us whats happening [13:11] yeah but virtualbox runs rather slow here charl [13:12] i got it working but 1.5g ram to min [13:12] no i got 16gb stuffed into my workl machine [13:13] wow [13:13] got 4gb in my laptop at home but i don't do much with virtualisation here [13:13] this pc takes ddr ram and very hard to comeby [13:13] bah [13:14] the less i spend on data the more i save towards pc stuff [13:14] in some years ill have an i7 [13:15] if you have multiple cores with hardware virtualisation it will work lekker [13:15] especially with lots of ram [13:15] ya with ddr2 or 3 ram [13:15] cause that's the #1 thing you need [13:16] nlsthzn, has sent me a i3 mobo with 4g ram i think [13:16] even my core i3 laptop works good if i don't assign too much ram to a guest os [13:16] mobo? [13:16] motherboard [13:16] ah nice [13:16] yeah will be lekker [13:16] that is enough for a start [13:17] awesome stuff [13:17] well thats already more than double the ram i have here [13:17] i gotta go out for a bit [13:17] bbl [13:17] ok [13:53] hi Mezenir [14:17] good afternoon [14:17] ohi agewb [14:17] ai! [14:17] hi magespawn [14:17] lol [14:17] hey Kilos [14:18] hows things there lad [14:18] long time no see man [14:18] yup time flies, and i for get to check in regularly [14:18] ai! [14:19] when you getting the home setup done [14:21] when time and money permit [14:21] ai! [14:21] hows the family? [14:22] all good, the kids are up with the inlaws [14:22] lekker honeymoon time [14:23] time to sleep [14:24] ai! [14:24] time to go in the pool :P [14:24] Hi Kilos :) [14:24] hi aquarat [15:08] bbl going for a walk with the wife [15:09] ok [15:09] hold hands [15:30] hi guys [15:30] hi theblazehen [15:33] hi theblazehen [15:33] hi aquarat [15:33] hi magespawn [15:33] hi Mezenir [15:33] hey charrl [15:33] charl* [15:37] i am currently using markdown for some docs but i discovered it's too limiting [15:37] i thought up an alternative but i don't know what to call it [15:37] Kilos, slightly older than i3... it is a quad core (first gen) Q6600 [15:38] hi nlsthzn [15:38] i thought of just calling it farkup - markup with the m replaced with a f .. [15:39] markless [15:39] yeah farkup sounds a bit strange [15:39] f is only good to use in food [15:39] markless would work better [15:39] thanks for the good suggestion [15:39] or marklow [15:39] yw [15:40] this way i can give a presentation of it without making people laugh at the name [15:40] lol [15:40] charl, looking forward to seeing it. Similar to markdown? [15:41] yes in principle [15:41] except easier to parse and more powerful [15:41] will it be backwards compatible? That would be a good thing to have going for it [15:41] ah, ok [15:41] As well as easily human readable right? [15:41] no markdown is already too fragmented [15:41] yes most definitely easily human readable [15:42] ok, good :) [15:42] i am going to write a spec [15:42] When are you thinking of publishing it? [15:42] I can't wait! [15:42] but i want to write the spec itself in markless [15:42] and to publish it i would need a working parser first [15:42] I might even for haroopad :) (A markdown editor) [15:42] but it won't take much time [15:43] i want to write the first parser in java with simple string buffer and jsoup to generate html [15:43] Parser into html + CSS or what? PDF? [15:43] ah, ok [15:43] build and serialise a dom [15:43] yeah converter to html5 [15:44] it's a good thing because from dec 25 to jan 1 i have a week free [15:44] so i have time now [15:44] but last week i fell and broke my elbow, so my right arm is in gipsum right now [15:44] that makes it difficult to type :( [15:44] due to holidays the plaster will only get taken off on the 30th [15:45] ah ok [15:45] lol, also on holiday 25jan - 1dec [15:45] oops, 25dec-1jan [15:45] lol [15:45] nice then you have almost the whole year off :P [15:46] ooh, yeah :) [15:47] * nlsthzn having dinner back later [15:47] enjoy nlsthzn [16:08] I'm back [17:02] hi oupateddie what happened [17:03] its working [17:03] did you read charl gave some tips too [17:03] oyay [17:04] but kubuntu landed me in a spot of bother today [17:05] i need help too [17:05] http://www.amazon.com/The-Miracle-Magnesium-Carolyn-Dean/dp/0345445880#reader_0345445880 [17:05] i can read that book online and i see the option to print. what does that do [17:05] i got no printer [17:06] can it print it to my desktop [17:06] I used kubuntu to install thunderbird. On Ubuntu it installs but do not overwrite the current existing folder. Kubuntu installed and overwrote the existing folder losing al of 2 yearrs' emails [17:06] ouch [17:07] arent they still online though [17:07] Kilos have you tried epub reader as an add-on to firefox [17:08] i use opera and i just want to download the thing as to read online is too much [17:26] Have you serached for the book in some of the free epubs [17:29] Kilos: I like calibre as a epub reader [17:31] its a book a doctor sells, i was wondering if it is readable online then surely it must be downloadable or saveable or something [17:31] but you cant copy paste there [17:34] its no good even worrying about a reader if i cant get the book [17:40] nope I can't find it [17:42] you can print it as a pdf no? [17:43] hey all [17:43] Hi kilos [17:43] hi Langjan im glad to see you [17:44] what did you break now [17:44] wb magespawn [17:44] same here, how are things? [17:44] good ty and you [17:44] Jy maak my skaam... [17:44] i want to ask you about ionic magnesium [17:44] finee thks [17:44] hoekom man [17:45] As ek hier opkom het ek iets gebreek [17:45] hahaha [17:45] ionic magnesium? klink na nog 'n foefie [17:45] waarmee het jy hulp nodig oom [17:45] nee man [17:46] om ionic mag te verstaan [17:46] http://www.amazon.com/Ionic-Magnesium-400-replaces-786601001072/dp/B000OLR1KC [17:46] Nee wat Kilos, ek is nog OK sover [17:46] mooi oupateddie [17:46] see naand vir n regte oupa [17:47] ohi superfly [17:47] jy mors jou geld my vriend [17:47] watse magnesium kan ek dan vat? [17:48] meer my swaar as ek [17:48] Natuurlike voedselvorm, die liggaam verstaan nie al daai fancy goed nie. En met die regte ko=--faktore vir goeie benutting. o [17:48] ek stuuur vir jou per eposu [17:50] kyk na jou pm [17:50] private message ding [17:50] jy gebruik mos xchat?\ [17:59] hi Langjan [17:59] i'm busy doing tests on my internet - have you people ever heard of pingtest.net? [17:59] speedtest.net [18:00] yeah i know that one but i only discovered pingtest now [18:00] it looks at your quality of bandwidth not just the throughput [18:00] here's my result: http://www.pingtest.net/result/90806521.png [18:00] ah [18:01] will look a bit later. got tons open on browser [18:01] for packet loss testing you need java - bah :( [18:02] java in a browser sucks [18:03] heh now i try again and i end up testing against a server in frankfurt http://www.pingtest.net/result/90806635.png [18:05] Langjan, what do you need help with? [18:49] charl, i dont understand what that pingtest is telling you apart from time taken [18:52] oh my goodness this month has flown. meeting tomorrow night superfly and others [18:52] inetpro, ping [18:52] last one of the year [19:07] I heard that Kilos [19:07] will try to remember [19:07] cool magespawn [19:08] i think it will be like an open evening with no fixed agenda as such [19:09] alrighty then [19:09] charl, there is a command that does packet loss etc [19:09] dont ask me ask inetpro [19:11] Kilos, thinking of mtr ? [19:11] should be in repos [19:11] i think so [19:11] if i member right i got the tiny thing [19:12] ya mtr-tiny [19:12] ah :) [19:13] Is there a difference? [19:13] the pro had me use it but thats already in the lost and found section of the head [19:13] there was a slight diffs i think [19:13] not major [19:14] ah ok. I just use the full one [19:14] Does it work well for you? [19:14] mtr-tiny is installed by default [19:14] I have insanely high packet loss for the first few seconds? [19:14] ah, kk [19:14] i dont remember much but i saw % packet loss and so on [19:15] if i dont use a thing daily i forget [19:16] ah, kk, ty [19:28] http://www.bitwizard.nl/mtr/ here is some more info [19:42] oh ya i think i used traceroot [19:56] Kilos: yeah i don't actually see the benefit of it [19:56] Kilos: any ping tool if given enough time will show you packet loss statistics [20:04] charl this looks like live running statistics [20:05] i do not see away to make it ping a destination that you want though [20:05] traceroute www.google.com [20:06] i think i used that [20:06] thye pro will know [20:07] not so sure about mtr though [20:07] i think traceroute uses it [20:08] traceroute dont work unless mtr or mtr-tiny is installed [20:08] mtr is the same type mtr www.somewebsite.com or ip address [20:08] ah [20:09] dont forget the meet magespawn [20:09] i near bed time [20:09] indeed checked the calender it is there [20:09] Maaz_, announce Meeting tomorrow night at 20.30 guys [20:09] Announcement from Kilos! Meeting tomorrow night at 20.30 guys [20:10] bring all your ideas [20:10] i like that tool very nice [20:10] i dunno where the pro is hiding [20:10] holidays, family maybe [20:10] mtr? [20:10] ? [20:11] that is the command for running mtr-tiny i think [20:12] https://library.linode.com/linux-tools/mtr [20:15] mtr looks good [20:18] looks like it would be useful on a local network too [20:20] bed time for me, good night all [20:21] night magespawn [20:21] sleep tight [20:27] night all. lekker slaap