[04:43] <Kilos> morning all
[11:29]  * oupateddie wave
[11:30] <Kilos> ohi oupateddie 
[11:30] <Kilos> whats news?
[11:31] <oupateddie> howzit, tell me I have kubuntu installed and have added ubuntu desktop
[11:31] <oupateddie> but I cannot see the unity option on switch on
[11:33] <Kilos> it should show when you get to where you type in your password
[11:33] <Kilos> you tick a little icon top right of the passwd window
[11:34] <Kilos> but even while saying that i once installed kde onto a unity os and it took over and didnt give me a choice
[11:35] <oupateddie> from unity I see the kubuntu but not the other way around
[11:35] <oupateddie> the machine starts kubuntu and does not show the ubuntut/unity option
[11:35] <Kilos> sjoe
[11:36] <Kilos> charl, ping
[11:36] <Kilos> no one here today, only me looks like
[11:38] <oupateddie> I'll google a bit
[11:38] <Kilos> im looking too
[11:39] <Kilos> not many use both. kde guys stick to kde and unity guys the same
[11:40] <oupateddie> wait, it seems I did not complete the insttallation
[11:40] <Kilos> aha
[11:40] <oupateddie> busy redo ing it
[11:40] <Kilos> use aptitude
[11:41] <Kilos> and read what it wants to do before saying yes
[11:41] <Kilos> if it wants to remove one or other desktop say no
[11:42] <oupateddie> it's busy
[11:43] <Kilos> did you find kde hard to use
[11:44] <oupateddie> no kilos I'm busy playing and I like it
[11:45] <Kilos> great, i love it just upgraded my 12.04 kubuntu to the latest kde 4.10
[11:45] <Kilos> took lotsa work to sort everything but now its very kiff
[11:46] <Kilos> 10 workspaces each with a different wallpaper
[11:49] <oupateddie> I have K13.10 installed
[11:50] <oupateddie> and it works fine at this stage
[11:52] <Kilos> i liked it as well only the short support was a prob for me with mobile broadband use
[12:56] <charl> hi Kilos 
[12:56] <charl> hi all
[12:56] <charl> Maaz_: coffee on
[12:56]  * Maaz_ flips the salt-timer
[12:57] <Kilos> oupateddie, you winning?
[12:57] <Kilos> Maaz_, coffee please
[12:57] <Maaz_> Kilos: Yessir
[12:57] <Kilos> charl see if you can figure whats oupas prob if he dont win there please
[12:58] <charl> reading
[12:59] <Kilos> i got unity and kde on separate drives so dont have probs
[12:59] <charl> if you install both unity and kde on the same system you get the option to select at the desktop manager
[12:59] <charl> a desktop manager on linux is basically the login screen
[13:00] <Kilos> i thought so ya
[13:00] <Maaz_> Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos!
[13:00] <charl> in the unity desktop manager there is a little gear icon if memory serves ccorrectly
[13:00] <Kilos> maybe he has come right
[13:00] <charl> Maaz_: thanks
[13:00] <Maaz_> charl: No problem
[13:00] <Kilos> he has kde first
[13:00] <Kilos> Maaz_, ty
[13:00] <Maaz_> You are welcome Kilos
[13:00] <charl> if in kde there is a drop down
[13:00] <charl> but they keep changing where it is
[13:01] <charl> in the latest version of kde it changed yet again
[13:01] <charl> a login screen is so simple but they keep wanting to make it look fancy
[13:01] <charl> so they keep changing it
[13:02] <charl> look around properly on the login screen
[13:02] <charl> there must be an option somewhere
[13:02] <Kilos> ty lets here what he says
[13:02] <Kilos> maybe its fixed now
[13:02] <charl> just click on everything and see what happens :)
[13:02] <Kilos> lol
[13:03] <charl> yeah if all else fails just brute force it
[13:03] <Kilos> my kde is very lekker now
[13:03] <charl> you on kde 4.11?
[13:03] <Kilos> he wont know how to force
[13:03] <Kilos> oh no 4.10
[13:03] <Kilos> on 12.04
[13:03] <charl> i run it inside a VM at work ad it is really fast and stable now
[13:04] <charl> very different than the first couple of versions of kde4
[13:04] <Kilos> thats what comes with 13.10 hey?
[13:04] <charl> yes
[13:04] <charl> i run debian7 as my host (stable)
[13:05] <Kilos> yeah i enjoyed it once setup. was lekker fast
[13:05] <charl> and then i can run all the latest stuff inside a series of VMs
[13:05] <Kilos> well see when i get another mobo if i can then run vms
[13:06] <Kilos> but ill sit with 12.04 for a while
[13:06] <charl> i can't run ubuntu as my host because vmware keeps choking over the new kernels
[13:06] <charl> so i run debian stable on a ancient ernel
[13:06] <charl> *kernel
[13:06] <Kilos> eish thats too involved for me
[13:07] <Kilos> im only small
[13:07] <charl> vmware compiles itself into the kernel somehow, quite pesky
[13:08] <charl> you would not have that issue with virtualbox though if you use the one that ships with ubuntu
[13:08] <Kilos> whew
[13:10] <Kilos> oupateddie, you gotta tell us whats happening
[13:11] <Kilos> yeah but virtualbox runs rather slow here charl 
[13:12] <Kilos> i got it working but 1.5g ram to min
[13:12] <charl> no i got 16gb stuffed into my workl machine
[13:13] <Kilos> wow
[13:13] <charl> got 4gb in my laptop at home but i don't do much with virtualisation here
[13:13] <Kilos> this pc takes ddr ram and very hard to comeby
[13:13] <charl> bah
[13:14] <Kilos> the less i spend on data the more i save towards pc stuff
[13:14] <Kilos> in some years ill have an i7
[13:15] <charl> if you have multiple cores with hardware virtualisation it will work lekker
[13:15] <charl> especially with lots of ram
[13:15] <Kilos> ya with ddr2 or 3 ram 
[13:15] <charl> cause that's the #1 thing you need
[13:16] <Kilos> nlsthzn, has sent me a i3 mobo with 4g ram i think
[13:16] <charl> even my core i3 laptop works good if i don't assign too much ram to a guest os
[13:16] <charl> mobo?
[13:16] <Kilos> motherboard
[13:16] <charl> ah nice
[13:16] <Kilos> yeah will be lekker
[13:16] <charl> that is enough for a start
[13:17] <charl> awesome stuff
[13:17] <Kilos> well thats already more than double the ram i have here
[13:17] <charl> i gotta go out for a bit
[13:17] <charl> bbl
[13:17] <Kilos> ok
[13:53] <Kilos> hi Mezenir 
[14:17] <magespawn> good afternoon
[14:17] <Kilos> ohi agewb
[14:17] <Kilos> ai!
[14:17] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[14:17] <magespawn>  lol
[14:17] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[14:18] <Kilos> hows things there lad
[14:18] <Kilos> long time no see man
[14:18] <magespawn> yup time flies, and i for get to check in regularly
[14:18] <Kilos> ai!
[14:19] <Kilos> when you getting the home setup done
[14:21] <magespawn> when time and money permit
[14:21] <Kilos> ai!
[14:21] <Kilos> hows the family?
[14:22] <magespawn> all good, the kids are up with the inlaws
[14:22] <Kilos> lekker honeymoon time
[14:23] <magespawn> time to sleep
[14:24] <Kilos> ai!
[14:24] <aquarat> time to go in the pool :P
[14:24] <aquarat> Hi Kilos :)
[14:24] <Kilos> hi aquarat 
[15:08] <magespawn> bbl going for a walk with the wife
[15:09] <Kilos> ok
[15:09] <Kilos> hold hands
[15:30] <theblazehen> hi guys
[15:30] <Kilos> hi theblazehen 
[15:33] <charl> hi theblazehen 
[15:33] <charl> hi aquarat 
[15:33] <charl> hi magespawn 
[15:33] <charl> hi Mezenir 
[15:33] <theblazehen> hey charrl
[15:33] <theblazehen> charl*
[15:37] <charl> i am currently using markdown for some docs but i discovered it's too limiting
[15:37] <charl> i thought up an alternative but i don't know what to call it
[15:37] <nlsthzn> Kilos, slightly older than i3... it is a quad core (first gen) Q6600
[15:38] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[15:38] <charl> i thought of just calling it farkup - markup with the m replaced with a f ..
[15:39] <Kilos> markless
[15:39] <charl> yeah farkup sounds a bit strange
[15:39] <Kilos> f is only good to use in food
[15:39] <charl> markless would work better
[15:39] <charl> thanks for the good suggestion
[15:39] <Kilos> or marklow
[15:39] <Kilos> yw
[15:40] <charl> this way i can give a presentation of it without making people laugh at the name
[15:40] <Kilos> lol
[15:40] <theblazehen> charl, looking forward to seeing it. Similar to markdown?
[15:41] <charl> yes in principle
[15:41] <charl> except easier to parse and more powerful
[15:41] <theblazehen> will it be backwards compatible? That would be a good thing to have going for it
[15:41] <theblazehen> ah, ok
[15:41] <theblazehen> As well as easily human readable right?
[15:41] <charl> no markdown is already too fragmented
[15:41] <charl> yes most definitely easily human readable
[15:42] <theblazehen> ok, good :)
[15:42] <charl> i am going to write a spec
[15:42] <theblazehen> When are you thinking of publishing it?
[15:42] <theblazehen> I can't wait!
[15:42] <charl> but i want to write the spec itself in markless
[15:42] <charl> and to publish it i would need a working parser first
[15:42] <theblazehen> I might even for haroopad :) (A markdown editor)
[15:42] <charl> but it won't take much time
[15:43] <charl> i want to write the first parser in java with simple string buffer and jsoup to generate html
[15:43] <theblazehen> Parser into html + CSS or what? PDF?
[15:43] <theblazehen> ah, ok
[15:43] <charl> build and serialise a dom
[15:43] <charl> yeah converter to html5
[15:44] <charl> it's a good thing because from dec 25 to jan 1 i have a week free
[15:44] <charl> so i have time now
[15:44] <charl> but last week i fell and broke my elbow, so my right arm is in gipsum right now
[15:44] <charl> that makes it difficult to type :(
[15:44] <charl> due to holidays the plaster will only get taken off on the 30th
[15:45] <theblazehen> ah ok
[15:45] <theblazehen> lol, also on holiday 25jan - 1dec
[15:45] <theblazehen> oops, 25dec-1jan
[15:45] <charl> lol
[15:45] <charl> nice then you have almost the whole year off :P
[15:46] <theblazehen> ooh, yeah :)
[15:47]  * nlsthzn having dinner back later
[15:47] <Kilos> enjoy nlsthzn 
[16:08] <oupateddie> I'm back
[17:02] <Kilos> hi oupateddie what happened
[17:03] <oupateddie> its working
[17:03] <Kilos> did you read charl  gave some tips too
[17:03] <Kilos> oyay
[17:04] <oupateddie> but kubuntu landed me in a spot of bother today
[17:05] <Kilos> i need help too
[17:05] <Kilos> http://www.amazon.com/The-Miracle-Magnesium-Carolyn-Dean/dp/0345445880#reader_0345445880
[17:05] <Kilos> i can read that book online and i see the option to print. what does that do
[17:05] <Kilos> i got no printer
[17:06] <Kilos> can it print it to my desktop
[17:06] <oupateddie> I used kubuntu to install thunderbird. On Ubuntu it installs but do not overwrite the current existing folder. Kubuntu installed and overwrote the existing folder losing al of 2 yearrs' emails
[17:06] <Kilos> ouch
[17:07] <Kilos> arent they still online though
[17:07] <oupateddie> Kilos have you tried epub reader as an add-on to firefox
[17:08] <Kilos> i use opera and i just want to download the thing as to read online is too much
[17:26] <oupateddie> Have you serached for the book in some of the free epubs 
[17:29] <theblazehen> Kilos: I like calibre as a epub reader
[17:31] <Kilos> its a book a doctor sells, i was wondering if it is readable online then surely it must be downloadable or saveable or something
[17:31] <Kilos> but you cant copy paste there
[17:34] <Kilos> its no good even worrying about a reader if i cant get the book
[17:40] <oupateddie> nope I can't find it
[17:42] <charl> you can print it as a pdf no?
[17:43] <magespawn> hey all
[17:43] <Langjan> Hi kilos
[17:43] <Kilos> hi Langjan im glad to see you
[17:44] <Kilos> what did you break now
[17:44] <Kilos> wb magespawn 
[17:44] <Langjan> same here, how are things? 
[17:44] <Kilos> good ty and you
[17:44] <Langjan> Jy maak my skaam...
[17:44] <Kilos> i want to ask you about ionic magnesium
[17:44] <Langjan> finee thks
[17:44] <Kilos> hoekom man
[17:45] <Langjan> As ek hier opkom het ek iets gebreek
[17:45] <Kilos> hahaha
[17:45] <Langjan> ionic magnesium? klink na nog 'n foefie
[17:45] <Kilos> waarmee het jy hulp nodig oom
[17:45] <Kilos> nee man
[17:46] <Langjan> om ionic mag te verstaan
[17:46] <Kilos> http://www.amazon.com/Ionic-Magnesium-400-replaces-786601001072/dp/B000OLR1KC
[17:46] <oupateddie> Nee wat Kilos, ek is nog OK sover
[17:46] <Kilos> mooi oupateddie 
[17:46] <Kilos> see naand vir n regte oupa
[17:47] <Kilos> ohi superfly 
[17:47] <Langjan> jy mors jou geld my vriend
[17:47] <Kilos> watse magnesium kan ek dan vat?
[17:48] <Kilos> meer my swaar as ek
[17:48] <Langjan> Natuurlike voedselvorm, die liggaam verstaan nie al daai fancy goed nie. En met die regte ko=--faktore vir goeie benutting. o
[17:48] <Langjan> ek stuuur vir jou per eposu
[17:50] <Kilos> kyk na jou pm
[17:50] <Kilos> private message ding
[17:50] <Kilos> jy gebruik mos xchat?\
[17:59] <charl> hi Langjan 
[17:59] <charl> i'm busy doing tests on my internet - have you people ever heard of pingtest.net?
[17:59] <Kilos> speedtest.net
[18:00] <charl> yeah i know that one but i only discovered pingtest now
[18:00] <charl> it looks at your quality of bandwidth not just the throughput
[18:00] <charl> here's my result: http://www.pingtest.net/result/90806521.png
[18:00] <Kilos> ah
[18:01] <Kilos> will look a bit later. got tons open on browser
[18:01] <charl> for packet loss testing you need java - bah :(
[18:02] <charl> java in a browser sucks
[18:03] <charl> heh now i try again and i end up testing against a server in frankfurt http://www.pingtest.net/result/90806635.png
[18:05] <Kilos> Langjan, what do you need help with?
[18:49] <Kilos> charl, i dont understand what that pingtest is telling you apart from time taken
[18:52] <Kilos> oh my goodness this month has flown. meeting tomorrow night superfly and others
[18:52] <Kilos> inetpro, ping
[18:52] <Kilos> last one of the year
[19:07] <magespawn> I heard that Kilos
[19:07] <magespawn> will try to remember
[19:07] <Kilos> cool magespawn 
[19:08] <Kilos> i think it will be like an open evening with no fixed agenda as such
[19:09] <magespawn> alrighty then
[19:09] <Kilos> charl, there is a command that does packet loss etc
[19:09] <Kilos> dont ask me ask inetpro 
[19:11] <theblazehen> Kilos, thinking of mtr ?
[19:11] <theblazehen> should be in repos
[19:11] <Kilos> i think so
[19:11] <Kilos> if i member right i got the tiny thing
[19:12] <Kilos> ya mtr-tiny
[19:12] <theblazehen> ah :)
[19:13] <theblazehen> Is there a difference?
[19:13] <Kilos> the pro had me use it but thats already in the lost and found section of the head
[19:13] <Kilos> there was a slight diffs i think
[19:13] <Kilos> not major
[19:14] <theblazehen> ah ok. I just use the full one
[19:14] <theblazehen> Does it work well for you?
[19:14] <Kilos> mtr-tiny is installed by default
[19:14] <theblazehen> I have insanely high packet loss for the first few seconds?
[19:14] <theblazehen> ah, kk
[19:14] <Kilos> i dont remember much but i saw % packet loss and so on
[19:15] <Kilos> if i dont use a thing daily i forget
[19:16] <theblazehen> ah, kk, ty
[19:28] <magespawn> http://www.bitwizard.nl/mtr/ here is some more info
[19:42] <Kilos> oh ya i think i used traceroot
[19:56] <charl> Kilos: yeah i don't actually see the benefit of it
[19:56] <charl> Kilos: any ping tool if given enough time will show you packet loss statistics
[20:04] <magespawn> charl this looks like live running statistics
[20:05] <magespawn> i do not see away to make it ping a destination that you want though
[20:05] <Kilos> traceroute www.google.com
[20:06] <Kilos> i think i used that
[20:06] <Kilos> thye pro will know
[20:07] <magespawn> not so sure about mtr though
[20:07] <Kilos> i think traceroute uses it
[20:08] <Kilos> traceroute dont work unless mtr or mtr-tiny is installed
[20:08] <magespawn> mtr is the same type mtr www.somewebsite.com or ip address
[20:08] <Kilos> ah
[20:09] <Kilos> dont forget the meet magespawn 
[20:09] <Kilos> i near bed time
[20:09] <magespawn> indeed checked the calender it is there
[20:09] <Kilos> Maaz_, announce Meeting tomorrow night at 20.30 guys
[20:09] <Maaz_> Announcement from Kilos! Meeting tomorrow night at 20.30 guys
[20:10] <Kilos> bring all your ideas
[20:10] <magespawn> i like that tool very nice
[20:10] <Kilos> i dunno where the pro is hiding
[20:10] <magespawn> holidays, family maybe
[20:10] <Kilos> mtr?
[20:10] <magespawn> ?
[20:11] <magespawn> that is the command for running mtr-tiny i think
[20:12] <magespawn> https://library.linode.com/linux-tools/mtr
[20:15] <charl> mtr looks good
[20:18] <magespawn> looks like it would be useful on a local network too
[20:20] <magespawn> bed time for me, good night all
[20:21] <Kilos> night magespawn 
[20:21] <Kilos> sleep tight
[20:27] <Kilos> night all. lekker slaap