[00:38] <development> can someone help me out with a boot problem  , i have made a port and get adb but i cant work out why it doesnt boot past boot screen
[00:38] <development> i have dumped all /var/log files to a zip  if anyone wants to take a look  and my dmesg is on pastebin
[00:44] <development>  http://pastebin.com/S8CzzhNj
[01:32] <development> anyone alive here?
[01:38] <duflu> development: Sometimes
[01:39] <development> can you help me with some log files ,  mine wont boot anymore
[06:06] <kpbird> Hello
[06:07] <kpbird> What is current status of Touch SDK - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/SdkFeatureStatus
[06:07] <kpbird> It was edited long back - last edited 2013-06-27 21:25:15 by dpm)
[07:55] <tab2> hello
[07:55] <tab2> can i ask about ubuntu touch?
[07:56] <tab2> can samsung galaxy tab 2 10.1 p5100 install ubuntu touch?
[07:56] <tab2> my tab is wifi+3G
[10:16] <aquarius> is http://www.droidviews.com/how-to-triple-boot-nexus-4-on-android-firefox-os-ubuntu-touch/ anything like sane? I rather like the idea of having my N4 triple-booting between those three OSes. Will it break Ubuntu Touch if I do so?
[10:17] <lotuspsychje> !nexus
[10:17] <lotuspsychje> !nexus7
[10:19] <aquarius> lotuspsychje, I'm already running Ubuntu on my Nexus 4 (not an N7). What I'm wondering is whether this "multirom" thing is a good idea, or whether it makes a bunch of wrong assumptions about how Ubuntu works and so will, for example, break system updates.
[10:19] <lotuspsychje> not sure mate
[10:19] <lotuspsychje> does ubuntu run smooth on your n4?
[10:22] <aquarius> well, as smoothly as it currently runs, yes. That's going to improve with newer builds, I'm sure.
[10:22] <lotuspsychje> can you surf the web properly?
[10:22] <lotuspsychje> use terminal?
[10:23] <aquarius> Of course.
[10:23] <aquarius> (although I don't use the terminal.)
[10:24] <aquarius> the N4 is one of the primary supported devices.
[10:24] <lotuspsychje> aquarius: what are the lags on it then?
[10:24] <lotuspsychje> aquarius: what could be better in your opinion?
[10:25] <aquarius> I'm not worried about Ubuntu's support for the N4. I'm worried that the triple-boot approach is actually a wrong idea.
[10:25] <lotuspsychje> i hear dual boots are possible with android right?
[10:25] <aquarius> What could be better? Opening and closing categories in the Dash is slower than it ought to be, and the Dash takes time to render icons for things.
[10:26] <ogra_> aquarius, while we might need to support multiboot some day, it is not in  focus today, so no guarantees that an OTA might not wipe your other OSes
[10:26] <aquarius> I hear that dual boots are possible too, but I've not heard that from the Ubuntu phone team; if ogra_ or bfiller or popey tells me it's OK I'd be happier. :)
[10:26] <aquarius> ogra_, ha! just the information I was looking for :)
[10:26] <ogra_> :)
[10:27] <aquarius> ogra_, you know as well as I do about all the horrific hacks that people do to make stuff work which isn't ready yet, and I don't want to try out some dual-boot thing and then have it break because it was never supposed to work in the first place :)
[10:27] <lotuspsychje> would love to buy me a nexus7 and try it, but need to know if its decent to run..
[10:27] <ogra_> right, so it totally depends on how hackish the approach is ...
[10:28]  * lotuspsychje never liked dual/triple boots anyway
[10:28] <aquarius> lotuspsychje, I don't know about the Nexus 7 -- I don't have a tablet -- but I believe mhall119 has the N7, and there is lots of tablet focus going on for 14.04.
[10:28] <lotuspsychje> nice
[10:28] <lotuspsychje> mhall119: awake mate?
[10:28] <ogra_> lotuspsychje, N7 has issues due to being tegra, but the focus for this cycle is to get the tablets best supported ... (they have been left behind a bit last cycle)
[10:28] <aquarius> ogra_, see linked article -- I have no idea whether that's a hackish approach or not :)
[10:28] <ogra_> lotuspsychje, so you can kind of rely on it being well supported on release day
[10:29] <lotuspsychje> ogra_: so what would be the best tablet to buy, for ubuntu touch?
[10:29] <aquarius> ogra_, which is exactly why I'm asking here so clever people like you can tell me :P
[10:29] <ogra_> lotuspsychje, N7 of the old generation (new one isnt supported at all currently) or N10
[10:29] <lotuspsychje> ouch
[10:29] <lotuspsychje> sounds to me ill have to wait longer :p
[10:30] <lotuspsychje> any news of legit ubuntu devices?
[10:30] <ogra_> aquarius, heh, that install uses the zips ... no OTA, no readonly fs .... not actually supported
[10:30] <aquarius> ogra_, right. So that's a no-no then :)
[10:30] <ogra_> lotuspsychje, there will be a phone in the first half of next year
[10:31] <lotuspsychje> promising
[10:31] <lotuspsychje> i thought that project didnt raise money enough last time?
[10:31] <ogra_> aquarius, right, if you want to test your stuff under real conditions thats a nono ...
[10:31] <ogra_> lotuspsychje, not the ubuntu edge... just a normal phone with ubuntu preinstalled
[10:31] <lotuspsychje> nice
[10:32] <lotuspsychje> got an url on that?
[10:32] <ogra_> nope
[10:32] <lotuspsychje> :p
[10:32] <ogra_> no specs, not even the manufacturer name
[10:32] <ogra_> i know canonical made a deal ... thats all
[10:33] <aquarius> lotuspsychje, the Ubuntu Edge project was for Canonical to build a super-amazing phone designed specifically to be the best of the best for Ubuntu Touch. Next year there will be, according to Canonical announcements, deals with existing phone manufacturers to release phones built by them with Ubuntu Touch. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/12/ubuntu-touch-signs-first-hardware-partner-will-debut-high-end-phone-2014 h
[10:33] <aquarius> as the summary.
[10:33] <lotuspsychje> aquarius: tnx!
[10:33] <ogra_> the edge wasnt "for canonical" it was "for the community" ;)
[10:34] <ogra_> nobody would have earned anything on it but the coommunity wold have gotten their desired device :)
[10:34] <aquarius> ogra_, ya -- I didn't mean that the Edge was being built for Canonical, I meant that the Edge kickstarter was for Canonical *to build it* for the community :)
[10:34] <ogra_> yeah
[10:34] <aquarius> sadly there were not 40,000 people who wanted it.
[10:34] <lotuspsychje> well meanwhile ill use my ssd netbook as tablet alternative
[10:34] <aquarius> still, phones from manufacturers next year, which is excellent.
[10:34] <ogra_> yeah
[10:34] <aquarius> Meanwhile, no dual boot for me ;)
[10:34] <lotuspsychje> lol
[10:35] <ogra_> and an edge like phone will happen too ... i'm sure
[10:35] <ogra_> in 2 years or so .... when the HW is standard
[10:35] <lotuspsychje> its a matter of time, your right
[10:35] <lotuspsychje> finally safety on mobile devices
[10:35] <lotuspsychje> cause android..fails hard
[10:36] <ogra_> yep
[10:36] <lotuspsychje> i cant believe someone would actually use pc banking apps on android
[10:37] <ogra_> many do apparently ...
[10:37] <lotuspsychje> yes
[10:37] <ogra_> phones are even used as wallets nowadays
[10:37] <lotuspsychje> lol?
[10:37] <ogra_> NFC and all ...
[10:38]  * ogra_ guesses there is a reason that the abbreviation for "no f*cking clue" and "nearfiled communication" are the same .... 
[10:38] <lotuspsychje> first i hear of
[10:38] <ogra_> ;)
[10:38] <lotuspsychje> communication method
[10:38] <aquarius> hey, what's wrong with NFC?
[10:39]  * aquarius starts a fight with ogra_ ;)
[10:39] <ogra_> lol
[10:39] <ogra_> i have no f.... clue !
[10:39] <lotuspsychje> on android it would be a security flaw
[10:39] <ogra_> :)
[10:39] <lotuspsychje> lookup how many malwares/ a day invented for android
[10:40] <lotuspsychje> the wiki mentions rfid
[10:40] <lotuspsychje> i dont like the sound of that
[10:40] <ogra_> aquarius, but since you are here and more of a QML pro than i am .... i'm writing this QML app, that is supposed to pull an svg from a server, modify it and display it in QML ... do you know a method to had raw svg data to QML ? Image only seems to take a qurl for "source:"
[10:41] <ogra_> s/had/hand/
[10:42] <aquarius> well
[10:42] <lotuspsychje> tell me not all mobile devices got an rfid chip inside?
[10:42] <aquarius> you could XHR he image
[10:42] <aquarius> *the
[10:42] <ogra_> (i want to extract a curve and dispkay it inide an ubuntu shape)
[10:42] <aquarius> and then construct a data URL of the SVG
[10:42] <aquarius> and then give that to Image as its sourc
[10:42] <aquarius> source
[10:42] <ogra_> server side you mean ?
[10:43] <aquarius> client-side
[10:43] <lotuspsychje> ok got the list: http://www.nfcworld.com/nfc-phones-list/#available
[10:43] <ogra_> hmm, but that would mean i need to store it on disk
[10:43] <aquarius> XHR the SVG off the server;  dataurl="data:image/svg," + svgdata; myimage.source = dataurl;
[10:44] <ogra_> hmm, will try that
[10:44] <aquarius> I do not know if Image supports data URLs, though. It ought to, but it might not.
[10:44] <aquarius> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6747434/how-can-i-convert-binary-codes-to-png-image-in-qml suggests that Image does support data URLs.
[10:44] <ogra_> ah, sweet !!!
[10:44] <ogra_> thanks
[10:45] <ogra_> googling usually only gets me blackberry docs ....
[10:45] <ogra_> which is really annoying
[10:45] <aquarius> however, this does mean that you'll need to parse the SVG yourself, which might be annoying
[10:45] <aquarius> since QML doesn't give you a decent XML parser, only XMLListModel
[10:45] <aquarius> there are javascript XML parsers, though.
[10:46] <ogra_> well, i actually want only one element from the svg and construct a new one around it from a template
[10:47] <aquarius> alternative approach: use a webview, render the svg into the webview, write JS in the webview to parse the SVG using decent XML parser (DOMParser) in the webview, then send the data out of the webview with JS and pick it up in QML
[10:47] <aquarius> alternative alternative: write a custom C++ QImageProvider, if you hate your life
[10:47] <ogra_> nah, no C++ for me
[10:47] <aquarius> er, QDeclarativeImageProvider
[10:47] <aquarius> yay! that is the CORRECT response :)
[10:48] <ogra_> i'm actually not even using the sdk ;)
[10:48] <aquarius> tough guy.
[10:48] <aquarius> no headers for you :)
[10:48] <ogra_> vim is enough to do good development ;)
[10:48] <ogra_> sure
[10:48] <ogra_> i installed the libs metapackage indeed
[10:48] <ogra_> totally enough for QML
[10:49] <aquarius> oh, you're using the SDK *libraries*, but not the SDK *editor*? That's so confusing. Yeah, I broadly agree with you, except s/vim/Sublime Text/ ;)
[10:49] <ogra_> heh
[10:51]  * ogra_ is writing a frontend for his heating control system .... 
[10:51] <xnox> ogra_: glad it's useful ;-)
[10:51] <ogra_> absolutely :)
[10:52] <ogra_> there is one small annoyance though ... seems i have two qmlscene apps installed
[10:52] <ogra_> only callinig  /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/bin/qmlscene ./main.qml works
[10:53] <ogra_> using the one from $PATH doesnt ...
[10:53] <aquarius> really?
[10:53] <ogra_> yeah
[10:53] <aquarius> which is the one on $PATH?
[10:53] <ogra_> qtchooser brings in /usr/bin/qtchooser
[10:54] <ogra_> err
[10:54] <aquarius> can't for the life of me think why you'd have two qmlscene apps.
[10:54] <ogra_>  /usr/bin/qmlscene
[10:54] <ogra_> and qmlscene brings in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/bin/qmlscene
[10:54] <aquarius> ya, same here, but it works for me
[10:55] <aquarius> and it can't be running a qt4 qmlscene because there isn't one; it was qmlviewer back then :)
[10:56] <ogra_> i'm on trusty FWIW
[10:58] <aquarius> ah
[10:58] <aquarius> I'm on saucy
[10:58] <aquarius> so maybe it's changed
[10:58] <aquarius> you're on your own there, dude :)
[10:58] <ogra_> might be a release specific breakage
[10:59] <ogra_> well, i'm fine using the full path for the time being
[10:59] <aquarius> yeah
[10:59] <aquarius> easy workaround :)
[11:00] <ogra_> and i'm close to the point to roll a click, so i will move over to test on the phone soon
[11:00] <ogra_> the svg issue is the last one (and a settings page), then it should be functional enough
[11:36] <ogra_> http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/ubuntu-touch/fhemtouch/ is the app btw
[11:36] <ogra_> :)
[11:47] <aquarius> oh, this tracks a million little devices in your house, does it?
[11:47] <ogra_> well, it coulld, there are a million sensors fhem supports ... i currently only use it for the heating
[11:48] <ogra_> it controls about half the rooms yet, i just got new valves and recievers that i havent installed yet
[11:49] <ogra_> (there are radar and infrared movement sensors ... light sensors .... humidity and smoke ensors etc )
[11:51] <ogra_> if i'm done with the heating my next project is our post box :) it is outside the house at the fron gate, i want push notifications for new snailmail on my phone ;)
[11:51] <ogra_> *front
[11:54] <xnox> ogra_: .... all what's left is to stream the updates to twitter: ogra left office, ogra is going down the stairs, temperature and humidity increases in the kitchen, coffee is brewed.
[11:55] <xnox> i bet you'll have 1kk followers =)
[11:55] <ogra_> lol
[11:56] <ogra_> i think there is actually a twitter module ....
[11:56] <ogra_> the server is all perl though ... painful ...
[11:57] <ogra_> but its the best SW i found for my purpose and it can run without any configuration but just querying the devices ... which is cool ... setting it up means a minimal ubuntu-server install, installing one deb on it and you are ready to go
[11:57] <ogra_> s/but/by/
[12:21] <ahayzen> timp, ping
[12:21] <timp> ahayzen: hello
[12:21] <ahayzen> timp, The reorder support is coming along, FYI it has moved to lp:~andrew-hayzen/music-app/reorder-support-001, but I did find some issues with the UITK swipeDelete while transitioning away from our custom version and have provided a patch - have I done it correctly?, https://code.launchpad.net/~andrew-hayzen/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix-swipe-delete-001/+merge/199906
[12:22] <timp> ahayzen: let me have a look
[12:34] <timp> ahayzen: I think your code changes are good, but I'm trying to understand why it did not work correctly before
[12:34] <timp> ahayzen: I left a comment on https://code.launchpad.net/~andrew-hayzen/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix-swipe-delete-001/+merge/199906
[12:36] <ahayzen> timp, idk why it doesn't work we had the same issue
[12:36] <ahayzen> timp, we have transitions changing the height so don't know if tht affects it
[12:37] <ahayzen> timp, and for the second part the animation just doesn't occur if I have set the height for the listitem, unless I add "height", both are a bit strange tbh
[12:47] <ahayzen> timp, i've reported the bug 1263682 and linked it to the branch
[12:48] <mlankhorst> is nexus7 broken?
[12:49] <timp> ahayzen: thanks
[12:49] <mlankhorst> was trying with --channel devel, but it stops refreshing the screen after a few seconds
[12:49] <mlankhorst> and then just flashes
[12:49] <timp> mlankhorst: I think the "old" nexus 7 is supported but the new one not (yet?)
[12:49] <mlankhorst> I'm on the old one
[12:50] <timp> mlankhorst: ok. I don't have a nexus 7 to verify your problem
[12:53] <ahayzen> timp, i definitely seem to have to add "height" for the listitems which have height  manually set
[12:53] <timp> that's weird, Empty.qml has     height: implicitHeight
[12:53] <timp> ahayzen: do you set the height in your code somewhere?
[12:55] <ahayzen> timp, yep for eg.... ListItem.Standard { height: someHeightValue } }
[12:55] <ahayzen> *minus one of the closebraces :P
[12:55] <timp> ahayzen: I don't want to cause you to have extra work, but is it possible to attach a small qml program to the bug that shows the issue? then I can easily test it and verify that the changes fix it
[12:56] <ahayzen> timp, ok i'll build one, it'll also make sure that it isn;t something in the music-app :)
[12:56] <timp> ahayzen: ah. ok, when you set the height then animating implicitHeight doesn't do anything
[12:56] <ahayzen> timp, where should I attach it?
[12:56] <timp> ahayzen: great, thanks!
[12:56] <ahayzen> timp, yep
[12:57] <timp> ahayzen: if you can make it a really small qml program (just one file), you can paste the full code in a comment or bug description
[12:57] <timp> ahayzen: but if it is not that small or you prefer to attach it, there is an "Add attachment or patch" link at the bottom of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1263682
[12:58] <ahayzen> timp, isn't this a separate issue from bug 1263186 though?
[12:58] <ahayzen> timp, ah wrong bug i meant separate from the one u posted
[12:59] <timp> ahayzen: true. They are two different bugs. Do you mind reporting the other one also?
[12:59] <ahayzen> timp, will do, i'll see if i can get an example then report it up :)
[12:59] <timp> thanks
[13:09] <ahayzen> timp, done :) bug 1263688
[13:12] <ahayzen> timp, i'll try and do an example for the label shifting up as well
[13:39] <timp> ahayzen: confirmed.
[13:40] <timp> ahayzen: implicitHeight does not need to be animated to 0 if you do that with height.
[13:41] <nerochiaro> timp: can you do me a quick favor and test this ? (read the comment at the top for info) http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6623252/
[13:41] <timp> nerochiaro: test on trusty desktop?
[13:42] <nerochiaro> timp: on trusty desktop yes. and the comment is "if you scroll the list you don't see any log messages saying the distance has changed, but if you remove itemDistance from the StateSaver list, then you see the messages as you scroll the list"
[13:44] <timp> nerochiaro: indeed, I only see the log messages after I removed the itemDistance from the stateSaver.properties
[13:44] <nerochiaro> timp: sounds like a bug to me
[13:45] <timp> sounds like statesaver does something naughty
[13:45] <timp> nerochiaro: can you report the bug? you have the example code already
[13:46] <nerochiaro> timp: certainly
[13:52] <nerochiaro> timp: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6623252/ please confirm
[13:52] <nerochiaro> timp: any ideas for workarounds ?
[13:54] <timp> nerochiaro: wrong paste?
[13:55] <nerochiaro> timp: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1263698
[13:55] <timp> nerochiaro: as for workarounds I don't know. Perhaps property int itemDistanceForStateSaver: itemDistance
[13:57] <timp> nerochiaro: I confirmed the bug
[13:58] <timp> nerochiaro: contentY is of type real, so I think your itemDistance should also be (doesn't fix the bug though)
[13:58] <nerochiaro> timp: thanks, and yes, good catch. and your workaround seems to work as well
[14:00] <ahayzen> timp, thanks
[14:01] <ahayzen> timp, anymore info i need to provide?
[14:03] <ahayzen> timp, i've changed the animation to only animate "height"
[14:03] <timp> ahayzen: no, I think it is all complete.
[14:04] <ahayzen> timp, cool thanks :) let me know if u do need anything else
[14:04] <timp> ahayzen: I'm flashing my maguro now so when jenkins integration test created packages for your change, I can test them on the device to verify that nothing else broke (and run the ubuntu-ui-toolkit autopilot tests with it)
[14:04] <ahayzen> timp, awesome :)
[14:05] <timp> ahayzen: testing the change with other apps is always a good idea, so if you have a device or other apps running on your desktop you can test with that
[14:06] <ahayzen> timp, ok will do... just wondering how to u change the UITK on the device? do u manually overwrite the files or make a click package to install over the top?
[14:09] <timp> ahayzen: there are several ways. What I do is wait for jenkins to run the tests, and it creates an output.zip that contains the .deb packages for uitk (+theme+autopilot+examples)
[14:09] <timp> ahayzen: I install those .deb packages on device then.
[14:09] <ahayzen> timp, i see, thanks
[14:09] <timp> ahayzen: it is possible to compile them on device, or cross-compile for device, but that's more of a hassle for me
[14:10] <timp> ahayzen: ah, in this case it is only one qml file that changed, so you can replace that file on the device with the new one
[14:10] <ahayzen> timp, ok
[14:10] <timp> tim@ideapad:~$ dpkg -L qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-toolkit-plugin|grep Empty
[14:10] <timp> that one :)
[14:11] <timp> ahayzen: if you do additional testing, please comment that on the MR so that we don't need to do the same tests
[14:12] <ahayzen> timp, i'll see if i can get it across... i usually don't have much success patching things on device lol
[14:28] <ahayzen> timp, i have managed to run, on mako, the two examples I attached with the expected behaviour occurring
[14:31] <nerochiaro> timp: if the same logic for the StateSaver that I use in that example I sent you earlier doesn't work in a real application (in the sense that the same properties don't seem to be restored by the StateSaver), how can I report that as a bug ?
[14:35] <timp> nerochiaro: what do you mean? describe it like you just did.
[14:36] <nerochiaro> timp: yeah, but it is something that can't be reproduced except by running a specific branch of the app
[14:37] <timp> nerochiaro: you can link to the branch. But it is better of course if you an reproduce the bug in a small test program
[14:38] <nerochiaro> timp: that's the problem, the small test program works fine. i guess i can strip down the application until I get to the point i don't get problems anymore
[14:39] <timp> nerochiaro: the smaller the better :) and if you figure out which line breaks the app that's of course useful for the fixer of the bug :)
[14:51] <nerochiaro> timp: ok
[16:33] <aquarius> ogra_, ha! http://developer.ubuntu.com/2013/12/announcing-ubuntu-and-android-dual-boot-developer-preview/ just been published ;)
[16:37] <K_Royther> What's the difference between devel, devel-proposed, devel-customized, trusty and trusty-proposed channels? The Wiki isn't quite clear about that.
[16:39] <K_Royther> Anyone?
[16:41] <K_Royther> Ah, whatever... Gonna install anything...
[16:55] <daker> K_Royther: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[19:25] <Saviq> rsalveti, hey, do you know if having to downgrade the radio image to 4.3 is required to get WiFi on mako?
[20:00] <maour> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:phablet-team/tools says  Cannot add PPA: 'ppa:phablet-team/tools'. Please check that the PPA name or format is correct.
[20:03] <xnox> maybe it fails to talk to launchpad?
[20:04] <xnox> maour: you can expand technical details about this ppa, to see the apt-config to add & the signing key.
[20:04] <xnox> maour: https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/tools
[20:04] <xnox> maour: just follow instructions provided on the ppa page itself.
[20:04] <xnox> maour: which release are you running?
[20:05] <maour> 13.10, maybe my ISP have problems with https
[20:06] <maour> ok, i'll try manually.
[20:08] <rsalveti> Saviq: after flashing 4.4, yes
[20:08] <Saviq> rsalveti, yeah, people already answered on various other places I posted it - added to the wiki, too, where it was missing
[20:09] <Saviq> rsalveti, other than that, I've all my Nexuses... Nexii? dual-booting just fine :)
[20:10] <rsalveti> Saviq: awesome, was going to give it a try in a few as well
[20:10] <rsalveti> good to know :-)
[20:33] <UT> can anyone solve this error ? http://pastebin.com/nZJ9jHJD
[20:43] <UT> anyone ?
[20:51] <maour> Why there is no https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SuperUser page while there is a link on  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/DualBootInstallation to superuserApp
[20:51] <maour> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SuperUser  >>>> This page does not exist yet. You can create a new empty page, or use one of the page templates.
[20:53] <awe_> maour, the Wiki auto-links InterCap'd words; it's not really meant to be a link, but someone missed this when creating the page
[21:01] <UT> can anyone solve this error ? http://pastebin.com/nZJ9jHJD
[21:40] <daker> Saviq: it seems that bug that opens the preview when launching an app is now fixed
[21:41] <Saviq> daker, cool, thanks
[23:02] <nebket1> Why does the nexus device have the most support?
[23:04] <nebket1> Is there a way of getting rid of Android?
[23:06] <Beldar> nebket1, The touch is half android, the desktop is not I believe, I'm not sure how much of the touch is apparent with android though, you might give you end goal here.
[23:07] <Beldar> your*