[01:27] amps and watts 0o === IdleOne is now known as Idle0ne === Idle0ne is now known as IdleOne === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [05:07] http://thecodelesscode.com/case/124 [08:24] hey [08:24] \o mapps, how were the Nether Lands? :) [08:25] hey MartijnVdS !!! [08:25] expensive dude [08:25] didnt pay less than 5.50 euros generally for a beer [08:25] mornin [08:26] cheapest was at the football [08:26] we went to see Utretch v PSV ..got the tram..then the train then bus with the Uttech fans [08:26] 4 euros a pint at the football!! [08:26] elsewhere id been p[aying between 6-8 euros [08:47] Morning all [09:07] Got a friends laptop that has a dead hdd, it's a 640gb WD ( WD6400BPVT ) anyone recommend a drive, not sure they want to spend on SSD so make/model ideas would be great [09:07] * diplo is so out of hardware atm, whats good / bad etc [09:08] diplo: samsung ssds are great value for money [09:08] don't know about spinning rust === msm is now known as Guest12027 [09:09] I'm still waiting for 1TB SSDs to come down in price. [09:10] dwatkins: prices are dropping slowly [09:10] good to know, MartijnVdS [09:10] I'll give him a couple of options I guess [09:11] diplo: I went for a hybrid Seagate drive, not as fast as an SSD, but it seems to be better than a standard disk [09:11] kk, I'll take a look at that as well [09:12] Need to find someone with a Win7 Home Premium disc as well [09:12] diplo: if you have a valid key, you can just download an ISO [09:12] diplo: http://www.w7forums.com/threads/official-windows-7-sp1-iso-image-downloads.12325/ [09:12] MartijnVdS, [09:12] dwaktins: The hybrid drive working OK? I thought there were issues with those (prolly when the hybrid nature relied on proprietary drivers) [09:12] diplo: both 32 and 64 bits [09:13] you never replied:D [09:13] Yeah have the key.. didn't know that top man thanks.. was easier when I worked with a company that had MS licenses :/ [09:13] mapps: sorry, someone called me into their meeting :) [09:13] TwistedLucidity: mine has been fine for the past year in my MacBook Pro. [09:13] AHA [09:13] I went to uretch v psv with the uretch fans..had a good time in holland [09:13] but it was expensive MartijnVdS [09:14] mapps: And €5/pint is quite a lot.. though most people drink beer in 0.33l here, so it doesn't look like "€5 for a pint" [09:14] if i wasn't in a good job.no way i could afford it mate [09:14] yes [09:14] i saw [09:14] most the time was likehalf a pint [09:14] but [09:14] mapps: central London beer/food isn't cheap either btw :) [09:14] I've still not recovered from a stag do in Sweden a few years ago! [09:14] It nearly broke me [09:14] MartijnVdS, im from London [09:14] diplo: financially, mentally or physically? [09:14] but it's not the same as tourist areas [09:14] tourist areas fleech you [09:14] real expensive [09:14] but MartijnVdS [09:15] Financially mainly, but I guess the the other two slightly :) [09:15] £8-10 a pint! [09:15] i dont get it..ihave a good joib.... [09:15] In the first 3 hours we'd spent £100 + each [09:15] a pint of what, liquid gold? [09:15] what if i worked in a shop? and earnt like 15ka year [09:15] how can they afford to go to holland and everywhere else / [09:16] mapps: don't go to tourist towns, drink the cheapest available beer? [09:16] but [09:16] dude [09:16] Just lager, alcohol is very expensive over there, you're not allowed to be visibly drunk either or you won't get into clubs etc [09:16] in amsterdam [09:16] cheapest we paid was 5.50 ..the cheapest beer was at uteetch 4 euros [09:16] i mean how can someone in a low paid job afford to go away lots when it seems expensive to me? [09:16] mapps: I have no idea. I got 3 beers for €8 on Friday, so it can't be that bad everywhere [09:16] mapps: near the Waterlooplein [09:16] is that amsterdam? [09:17] mapps: yes, and central too [09:17] mm [09:17] whats it near [09:17] and u sa 3pints [09:17] small beers or big [09:17] mapps: Not pints, but not drams either.. "normal-sized" Dutch beers ;) [09:18] aha [09:18] mapps: https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=waterlooplein+amsterdam [09:18] drams? [09:18] lots were small beers MartijnVdS [09:18] but so ok sure [09:18] dwatkins: Something like this ? http://www.ebuyer.com/480300-seagate-500gb-solid-state-hybrid-drive-sshd-st500lm000 [09:18] but how would someone on a low wage afford to come to holland and go to lots of other places [09:18] i mean a uk person [09:19] mapps: consumer debt [09:19] Aha [09:19] id rather not be in debt [09:19] :) [09:19] going away again in 4 weeks [09:20] 4th time this year [09:20] :D [09:21] nah, in 4 weeks it'll be next year [09:21] car wouldn't start today :( [09:21] MartijnVdS, [09:21] but [09:21] we do holiday [09:21] april-april [09:21] so i meant holiday year [09:21] itll be y 4th abroad on holiday year [09:21] then i have a week off in March too..and might go away then maybe [09:22] for now, my next trip will probably be in July [09:23] to where [09:23] Good morning peeps :) === Guest12027 is now known as msm_ [09:23] mapps: Jersey, probably through France (by car) [09:23] im going away in July too [09:23] back to CZECH :ds [09:23] Ahh cool [09:23] mapps: stag party? 8-) [09:23] ive got a job interview in January for a new job [09:24] haha no [09:24] i went there june this yar MartijnVdS and my friend lives there [09:24] just going to see him [09:24] ]he's a good friend [09:24] else i wouldn't bother [09:24] but [09:25] ive got an interview in january for a new job [09:25] in Czech!!! [09:25] and he's the ONLY person i know [09:26] in the world? [09:26] na [09:26] but in czech epublic [09:26] where i'd be going [09:27] went there this summer as i sa and met my mate [09:28] i was a;ready going back in june/july regardless of if i get a job there [09:52] curious, does you speak czech? [09:57] Good morning all; happy Festivus! :-D [09:59] shauno, me? no [09:59] but [09:59] they say they will provide language lessons [10:00] Im englsh [10:00] im only moving if i can get 60k+ [10:00] gbp [10:02] just curious because I've been angling around that corner of the world too, but I'm struggling with job ads that never mention whether they require the local language [10:02] mapps: may I ask what kind of job you're going for? [10:03] working at a bookies [10:04] and no not in a shop taking bets;p [10:04] i said before..i work for 365 atm [10:04] interesting, a friend of mine did a PhD on betting systems [10:04] and i figure to ove to CZ id wan 60+ [10:04] i see [10:05] In mother Poland, horses bet on YOU! [10:05] lol [10:05] * foobarry shoots TwistedLucidity [10:05] Hmm.....doesn't quite work, does it? [10:05] What happened to Russia? [10:06] Did they get demoted out of the meme? [10:06] dwatkins: horse meat, poland etc [10:07] ah ok, I thought that was all Tesco's fault. [10:07] dwatkins: nah, we had a horse meat scandal here too [10:08] we tried to have one, but no-one cared [10:08] shauno: some people here cared, but not a lot. [10:08] shauno: the companies that mis-labeled the meat got taken to court thoguh [10:08] we just had some very excited newspapers for a week or two [10:09] they sell horse meatr in pretty much all the stores here..... [10:09] jussi: the problem isn't horse meat, it's mis-labeled meat [10:09] as long as it doesn't say beef on the packet, there's nothing wrong with that :) [10:09] jussi: horse sold as beef [10:09] MartijnVdS: pffffffffttt [10:10] they should just put "mixed meat" on whatever package :P [10:11] jussi: "assorted meat products" [10:11] MartijnVdS: somehting like that [10:11] I actually like horse meat, its quite nice. [10:11] beef is better [10:11] lamb better still [10:12] four legs good, 2 legs bad? :P [10:13] nah, chicken is nice too [10:14] Lamb is very nice though, its a shame its so hard to find here [10:14] my bigger issue is all the agencies setup after the mad cow stuff. they claim to track everything from the point of origin here. they even put the name of the farm it came from on the packet [10:15] isn't that a good thing, shauno? [10:15] I prefer to buy locally sourced food. [10:15] now, if they can't tell whether it's actually a cow, I have very little faith in their ability to tell me which cow [10:15] ah I see [10:15] you are buying "barry" [10:15] sorry, barry is a rat. [10:16] in theory, it's a great idea. but it looks like a farce now [10:17] I don't eat my pets [10:17] i would if i was starving [10:18] you should consider it. apparently humans taste like cured ham :) [10:18] isn't that what cats are always plotting? to eat their owners? [10:23] anyone getting nice stuffs for xmas? [10:26] I'm getting a lovely pile of overtime :) [10:28] I think I'm getting a Rubik's cube. [10:31] good morning everyone. [10:32] $employer gave me a "Minix Neo X7" android box [10:33] going to try and flash it with something else [10:33] :) [10:34] because android on a TV doesn't work well. Too "touch"y [10:34] i have android on teh x5 and it hangs after a day [10:34] and android on a tv does indeed suck [10:35] let me know how u get on, because i want ubuntu/debian on it [10:35] But hey, gift horse and all that. [10:35] unsure if different chipset or not [10:35] webos? [10:35] foobarry: apparently there's http://ubuntu.g8.net/ [10:35] i have it on the office screens [10:35] rudest distro out there [10:36] no hardware ui but hey [10:36] do i have to do other hackery to get that OS working? [10:37] foobarry: I haven't tried yet [10:37] foobarry: christmas project for me :) [10:38] How do I install this? [10:38] Use Windows machine, Download picuntu-4.5-nand-complete.zip. Unzip at any location. [10:38] Click on rk_flash_1.37?> RKAndroidtool.exe [10:38] fails [10:39] fails how, foobarry? [10:39] have to install windows [10:39] by requiring a Windows machine [10:39] foobarry: it's an Android machine, it's likely possible to use adb/fastboot [10:41] i have a windows machine available here at work [10:41] how are you supposed to connect it i wonder [10:41] foobarry: mine has both USB "A" ports (to connect devices) and a "Micro B" port to connect it to a PC [10:41] checks [10:41] foobarry: or, you can switch the micro-b port to be an USB OTG port, in which case it's another "device"port [10:43] czajkowski: you might like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLwML2PagbY [10:44] Anyone ever rooted/rom'd a Kindle Fire 2nd Gen ? [10:50] MartijnVdS: i have usb A ports and 1 port called otg [10:51] foobarry: yeah, the OTG port is USB on the Go, it should look like a Micro USB (B) one [10:51] (like on a phone) [10:54] i've been foiled by lack of a pin [10:58] bbc1 toy story, 3:15pm, :) [10:58] meh, device not found [10:58] Why am I finding it so difficult to work today? [11:01] foobarry: you might need to enable debug mode etc. in the android settings bit [11:01] brobostigon: hexcellent [11:01] sid, muahhmuahhhh :) [11:08] hmm pc doesn't even detect it connected [11:09] otg port seems very flimsy though [11:10] hello all [11:10] i have an issue [11:10] can anyone help me please [11:11] saini: sure, what's the problem? [11:11] a minute please [11:12] "please stand by captain!!!" [11:13] i have a laptop compaq presario 510 [11:13] ram is 1 gb [11:13] hard drive is 300 gb [11:14] have installed windows 7 pro [11:14] i want to install ubuntu 12.04 lts as well [11:14] last time i installed both os...there was some problem with windows 7 [11:14] installer can adjust your partitions to make enough space. [11:15] !dual-boot [11:15] Dual boot instructions: x86/AMD64: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DualBoot/Windows - Macs: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro https://help.ubuntu.com/community/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot [11:15] yes dat i will....by using live ubuntu maker... [11:15] hopefully those links are useful, saini [11:16] but i want to ask u in person that will it be good ...will my laptop wprk nice and not slow... [11:16] see i have no issues with ubuntu..i know its gonna rum the best.. [11:16] m1 [11:16] but just have issues with windows... [11:16] hmm, rum :P [11:16] 1gb of ram isnt huge, but with a nice light DE, it should be fine. [11:16] it becomes slow./. [11:16] is that because of 1gb ram??? [11:17] becomes in what way, saini? over time? [11:17] windows just becomes slow.. [11:17] i dnt know why? [11:17] :( [11:17] as well, i have noticed, if you use a De that hogs the GPU, it can slow things generally, [11:17] whats a de? [11:17] desktop environment [11:17] desktop environment [11:18] ok.. [11:18] I have xubuntu on a little netbook, it runs really nicely [11:18] so what shud i go for? [11:18] ubuntu or xubuntu? [11:18] If Windows becomes slow in use; that probably due to the amount of memory being used and programs running. [11:18] saini: Go for Xubuntu [11:18] are the features of ubuntu and xubuntu same? [11:19] Lighterweight and you don't have much RAM. [11:19] was true on my eeepc, i had a graphically heavy de on it, anything that needed graphics was just sucked down, as soon as i used a de and wm that was graphically light, anything graphical immediatly sppeded up. [11:19] saini: Similar, but not the same. [11:19] The DEs are different (Ubuntu uses Unity, Xubuntu uses XFCE). [11:19] i would also try lxde, thats pretty light on resources also. [11:19] but i like ubuntu just coz its soooo...awesome.. [11:19] i mean its gui is so good [11:19] MartijnVdS: looks like otg doesn't work, male to male is required.. [11:19] You can still browse the web, create documents etc; but the DE looks different. [11:20] saini: do some tests, see what you think, try different ones and experiement. [11:20] saini: Well, you can always try Ubuntu and if it's too slow, try Xubuntu or Lubuntu or.... [11:20] foobarry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_On-The-Go [11:20] you can install the different de's side by side, and switch on login. [11:21] foobarry: you need a male micro-b to female-a to use the "on the go" feature, or a male micro-b to male-A (a normal "charging" cable for phones, fir instance) to use it as an USB device on another host [11:21] foobarry: also, you need to enable debug mode in the menu somewhere [11:21] i have a regular (2 in fact) usb-A to micro usb [11:22] The performance of the GPU (Intel X3100) might be an issue with all the compositing. [11:22] i guess i will go for ubuntu only.. :d [11:22] ok one more thng [11:22] saini: Sure, try it and see. That's the great thing about GNU/Linux. [11:22] if i install ubuntu...then is it possible to uninstall it as well [11:22] there are no rules, you can do almost anything your heart desires. [11:22] and the port still does not seem to work tho, with connect to PC, and debug mode [11:23] foobarry: no idea then ,sorry [11:23] saini: there's nothing to stop you installing the xfce desktop and switching between the two [11:23] uninstalling an OS, interesting idea, [11:23] Power on the device and connect your MINIX NEO X7mini to your PC using the supplied Male-Male USB cable. [11:23] If the device isn't detected by the PC then enable "Connect to PC" on Android Settings -> USB. [11:23] Now your PC will detect the device as external storage. [11:24] saini: Sure. You can either install a second desktop (as suggested), isntall on top with Xubuntu or whatever, or use GParted to destroy the Ubuntu partition and return the space to Windows. [11:24] google "christmas carols" =) [11:24] hihi....i mean will install two os...ubuntu and windows... [11:24] den how to uinstall ubuntu after tht? [11:24] any idea? [11:24] :) [11:24] saini: GParted [11:24] Destroy the Ubuntu partition, return the space to Windows [11:24] saini: in practicality, yo ucould kill the partition, use a windows repair cd to put windows bootloader back in place, and make the partion bigger again. [11:25] Or that [11:25] but yes, you will need to redo the bootloader, [11:25] ahem....ok....my dvdrom doesnt work...and iam actually a torrent based guy... :P [11:25] so no original windows. [11:25] :D [11:26] o_0 [11:26] infact guys...thnk u so much for your time and worthy suggestions [11:26] does freedos have a tool for this? [11:26] i will go with ubuntu... [11:26] and definitely come back here... [11:26] (y) === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [11:48] thanks linkedin for discreetly changing my privacy settings on my fake account [11:48] had it set to anonymous [11:48] "somebody" changed it [12:28] whats the name of that script people use to run on ubuntu that shgged everything when you upgraded [12:30] automatix. [12:30] *shudder* [12:30] i think all those guys joined the elementaryos community [12:30] every day, you get "i installed daily PPA" and now everything broke [12:31] foobarry: some people are just weird like that [12:31] foobarry: a few of those people also started Mint, I guess [12:31] argh [12:31] so hard drives use like 20W... so why did iomega supply this external hard drive with a 6W power supply? [12:32] that's just nuts [12:32] ali1234: because it's not a 20W disk? [12:32] it is though... it's a WD green [12:32] 3.5" [12:32] then iomega just suck [12:32] yeah [12:32] they used to be good [12:32] they probably just sold the name [12:33] now i'm going to have to go out and buy a new power supply for it [12:33] somehow the old one lasted for 4 years anyway [12:38] do i eat pringles knowing they will give me more ulcers for xmas day meal? [12:41] too late [13:55] do the drives need 20 Watts all the time, or is that just the start-up requirement? [13:55] maybe the powersupply can deliver that, briefly - maybe not, though [14:12] What the name of the black plug you usually get with ribbon cables? [14:13] bigcalm: BT224? [14:13] IDC connector, bigcalm? [14:13] MartijnVdS: maybe that sort of style [14:14] dwatkins: that's them! [14:14] not sure that applies to the latching ones [14:14] woot [14:14] BT224 connector – also defined by BS9525-F0023, DIN41651, MIL-C-83503 standards; these are the type used on ATA cables and are often simply called "IDC connectors". They mate with either a purpose-made plug or a two-row grid of header pins with 0.1 inch (2.54 mm) spacing. [14:14] [14:14] I made a wristband out of a rainbow-coloured ribbon and some IDC connectors. [14:14] What are the chances of Maplin stocking both the plugs and 16 wire ribbon cable? [14:14] hackspace project? :) [14:15] they tend to usually have that sort of thing in stock in the Edinburgh Maplin, bigcalm - I just buy 'em on ebay, though. [14:15] (not as fast, of course) [14:16] Considering that I need to buy one today... :) [14:16] bigcalm: christmas hacking? :) [14:17] I guessed as much, you could reserve the part via their website, bigcalm [14:17] also, that saves you ferritting around looking for it [14:17] MartijnVdS: work. I need to build an interface cable for a device we've written the web interface for [14:17] dwatkins: good point [14:18] they're usually pretty quick what that sort of thing in my experience. [14:20] http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/maplin-double-row-idc-cable-connecter-socket-2x8-fg44x [14:20] I think that's what I need [14:20] The confusing thing is that they use a stock image for all of the different numbers [14:22] http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/data-cable-multicore-16-way-grey-priced-per-03-metre-xr73q [14:22] And the cable to go with it [14:22] Magic [14:24] yeah, I had the same trouble [14:25] is it for a RPi, bigcalm? [14:25] dwatkins: no, though the RPi was used during prototyping phase [14:26] Quite a funky device this company has built [14:26] And that's all I can say about it :) [14:26] Bloody NDAs [14:26] grrr [14:26] Why does searching Maplin for "chocolate block" not return any results? :( [14:27] lol [14:27] the sockets I have are made for a PCB, but their pins are in a grid, so they actually fit into the holes on the connector (not that they make contact, but you can glue them in if you're not making an actual cable) [14:27] haha [14:27] I'm not sure chocolate block is the technical term [14:27] /won 3 [14:27] "Terminal block" I guess [14:27] although every engineer knows what you mean when you use the term [14:27] yup [14:27] Humm, I could use the breadboard that I'm already using with the device [14:29] Or shall I go all out and buy some vero board? [14:29] Again, no search results on Maplin :( [14:31] They have loads of veroboard usually, but it's probably sold with its generic name... stripboard [14:31] Aha [14:32] Yep, going to do this properly [14:32] Actually, I think I might have some board here [14:33] I have about three spare pieces, as I tend to buy stuff like that "just in case" === msm is now known as Guest59452 === Guest59452 is now known as msm_ [14:39] bigcalm: if you need a 16-way IDC cable, why not just cut down a floppy cable or similar? [14:39] * bigcalm returns from his electronics tool box [14:39] Tiny bit of old stuff :( [14:40] gordonjcp: Not sure I have any left [14:40] gordonjcp: but that's a good idea though [14:40] until you want to use said floppy cable [14:40] * bigcalm goes looking for a machine that still has a floppy drive in it [14:41] PATA disks ? [14:42] gordonjcp: it's far too big 2x16 [14:42] gordonjcp: I need 2x8 [14:43] I'm guessing you don't have any BBC Micro cables to hand, bigcalm ;) [14:43] dwatkins: hehe [14:43] (I do) [14:43]