[05:31] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey and others
[05:32] <kbmonkey> hello Kilos and all
[05:32] <Kilos> have you decided what kinda meet we gonna have so i can tweet it
[05:32] <Kilos> and you can announce on g+
[05:33] <Kilos> i dunno where pro is
[05:33] <kbmonkey> Kilos, my old lady wants me to drive up today so not sure how I can attend the meeting unless i lock myself in the room with a laptop XD
[05:33] <kbmonkey> Im not much on g+ sorry
[05:33] <kbmonkey> too slow, page doesnt load
[05:33] <Kilos> oh my well you better find a chair for us
[05:34] <Kilos> np lad mom comes first
[05:34] <Kilos> not old lady
[05:34] <kbmonkey> Ill take laptop
[05:34] <kbmonkey> but I not sure if I be available that time
[05:34] <Kilos> np
[05:34] <kbmonkey> I find another chair
[05:35] <kbmonkey> or make it the irc christmas party!
[05:35] <Kilos> lol
[05:35] <kbmonkey> party chat
[05:35] <Kilos> the way things have been going therell be 3 peeps
[05:36] <Kilos> channel been dead
[06:30] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:39] <kbmonkey> what was up with all the netsplits last week
[06:39] <kbmonkey> that was annoying
[06:39] <Kilos> i dunno freenode said nothing about attacks
[06:40] <Kilos> normally they let one know so maybe it was server probs somewhere
[06:47] <kbmonkey> probably
[07:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning
[07:46]  * Kilos goes kubuntu toe
[09:24] <charl> good morning
[09:24] <charl> Maaz_: coffee on
[09:24]  * Maaz_ puts the kettle on
[09:25] <Vince-0> !
[09:26] <charl> hi Vince-0 
[09:26] <charl> hi Kilos 
[09:27] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 charl 
[09:27] <Kilos> Maaz_: coffee please
[09:27] <Maaz_> Kilos: Sure
[09:28] <Maaz_> Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos!
[09:28] <Kilos> im busy starting with frying onions for a vlakvark curry
[09:28] <Kilos> Maaz_: ty
[09:28] <Maaz_> You are welcome Kilos
[09:29] <Kilos> hi sakhi 
[09:30] <charl> Maaz_: thanks
[09:30] <Maaz_> charl: No problem
[09:43] <magespawn> howdy all
[09:49] <Kilos> hi theblazehen 
[09:49] <Kilos> ohi magespawn 
[09:50] <Kilos> and bduk1 
[09:50] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[09:52] <theblazehen> hey Kilos 
[10:01] <bduk1> Morning everyone
[10:23] <Kilos> hi drussell have a great festive season wherever you are :)
[10:24] <drussell> Kilos: hehe back in the UK (where it's wet and rainy right now)
[10:25] <drussell> Kilos: but the same to you, hope the weather's better!
[10:25] <Kilos> lotsa hot sun last week or so, but free UV's cant be sniffed at ty
[10:26] <Kilos> some peeps pay for a tan. i get it free
[10:27] <Kilos> hi psychicist 
[10:27] <psychicist> hi Kilos 
[11:20] <magespawn> later all 
[11:20] <magespawn> home time
[14:22]  * Squirm looks around
[14:30] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[15:41] <Kilos> hi Mezenir 
[15:41] <Kilos> i dunno how to do a retweet on choqok
[15:57] <Kilos> hi SabreWolfy 
[15:57] <SabreWolfy> Hi Kilos
[15:58] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[15:58] <SabreWolfy> Thanks :-)
[15:58] <SabreWolfy> Been meaning to pop in for months
[15:59] <Kilos> well you got here at last so thats good
[16:00] <SabreWolfy> Why did maaz_ give me a message from 3 years and 17 days ago?
[16:00] <Kilos> wow someone must have told him to give you a message 
[16:00] <Kilos> what did it say
[16:01] <Kilos> so you been away for 3 years and 17 days, thats naughty
[16:01] <SabreWolfy> Hahaha! Trying to recall what I would have been talking about. Hehehe, yeah.
[16:01] <SabreWolfy> It was from drubin
[16:02] <Kilos> oh my
[16:02] <SabreWolfy> Do the logs go that far back?
[16:02] <Kilos> the bot remembers until it delivers the message
[16:02] <SabreWolfy> Yeah.
[16:03] <SabreWolfy> But I mean the chamnel logs.
[16:03] <Kilos> hi superfly  how far back do the logs go
[16:03] <SabreWolfy> Ok
[16:03] <Kilos> i can never find them
[16:04] <Kilos> charl: ping
[16:05] <SabreWolfy> Oh they might. Followed url in title.
[16:06] <SabreWolfy> Will ask Wolframalpha when 3 years 17 day ago was
[16:06] <Kilos> whew
[16:09] <Kilos> Squirm: meeting tonight hey
[16:10] <SabreWolfy> Kilos: 06 December 2010. You spoke in channel :-)
[16:11] <Kilos> yeah i been here a while. its all i do
[16:11] <Kilos> since ubuntu 8.10
[16:12] <Kilos> now im the greeter bot here
[16:13] <SabreWolfy> Haha. Can't find myself in channel. Maybe incomplete logs
[16:23] <Kilos> did you come online back then for help with ubuntu or something
[16:24] <Kilos> then superfly and inetpro should remember. they were active then but are too busy now to chat much
[16:27] <SabreWolfy> Yeah, possibly. Doesn't matter. Wanted to try to attend the meeting tonight. 
[16:27] <SabreWolfy> But the time isn't convenient today. 
[16:27] <Kilos> great it will be just an open chat
[16:27] <Kilos> aw
[16:27] <Kilos> we only gonna be 2 or 3
[16:27]  * Kilos cries
[16:29] <SabreWolfy> I'll try. I'm on AndChat now so I can take you with me maybe.
[16:33] <Kilos> cool
[16:44] <superfly> Kilos: I'll be here this evening
[16:44] <Kilos> cool ty superfly 
[16:44] <Kilos> hi eyesonly 
[16:47] <eyesonly> hi Kilos
[16:49] <SabreWolfy> Kilos: what *buntu are you running? 
[16:49] <Kilos> 12.04 unity and kde
[16:50] <Kilos> kde 4.10
[16:50] <SabreWolfy> Nice.
[16:51] <SabreWolfy> I've moved over to Kubuntu over the last few months. 
[16:51] <SabreWolfy> Movwd to #! for a long time after Unity release :-)
[16:52] <Kilos> i like bot but unity 1304 was too much work
[16:53] <Kilos> s/bot/both
[16:54] <Kilos> and i still have 10.10 running on a drive
[16:55] <SabreWolfy> I tried Unity a few times. Really tried to use it,  but it's a bridge too far for me. 
[16:55] <Kilos> its not bad in 12.04 once you get used to it
[17:09] <SabreWolfy> Hmmm. I couldn't get used to it ever :-)
[17:10] <Kilos> haha
[17:10] <Kilos> took lotsa patience
[17:16] <SabreWolfy> Hope it was worth it
[17:50] <Kilos> inetpro: ping
[17:59] <inetpro> good evening and hi Kilos
[17:59] <Kilos> hi inetpro wb
[18:00] <Kilos> i asked nuvolari to chair so he should be here soon
[18:00] <inetpro> ty
[18:00] <Kilos> yw
[18:00] <inetpro> where's the monkey?
[18:00] <Kilos> monkey cant make it
[18:00] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:00] <Kilos> he had to go to pmb to his mom
[18:00] <inetpro> ok
[18:01] <Kilos> said he would take a lappy with but didnt know if he would get a chance to join us
[18:01] <Kilos> mothers can be demanding at times
[18:02] <Kilos> you all well inetpro ?
[18:02] <inetpro> I'm good thanks Kilos
[18:02] <Kilos> great
[18:07]  * inetpro tried hard to give the eyes a bit of a rest from the constant luminous intensity of the screen
[18:15] <inetpro> Kilos: will superfly be here?
[18:15] <Kilos> yessir
[18:15] <inetpro> cocooncrash_: you and Maaz_ have a tail
[18:15] <inetpro> cool
[18:16] <cocooncrash> inetpro: :)
[18:16] <inetpro> thanks and wb cocooncrash
[18:16] <Kilos> ty cocooncrash and hi to you
[18:16] <inetpro> drubin: waar is jy vanaand?
[18:17] <Kilos> hi parkerdo welcome to ubuntu-za
[18:18] <parkerdo> hi, thanks allot. how you doing?
[18:18] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[18:18] <inetpro> parkerdo: if you are new, welcome to #ubuntu-za
[18:19] <parkerdo> no complaints kilo
[18:19] <Kilos> lol and if not welcome anyway
[18:19] <Kilos> you on a cell?
[18:19] <Kilos> or on pc with an irc client
[18:20] <parkerdo> inetpro, yes i am. been wainting to join for a while. kept missing the last few meetings
[18:20] <Kilos> parkerdo: you can come here anytime, not just meetings
[18:20] <inetpro> parkerdo: ahh, always nice to see new faces
[18:20] <inetpro> where do you come from?
[18:20] <parkerdo> im on a laptop. irc client off the ubuntu-za site
[18:21] <Kilos> ok then type first 3 letters of the nick and hit tab
[18:21] <Kilos> nick gets completed
[18:21] <parkerdo> im form jhb  south, how about yourself?
[18:22] <parkerdo> Kilos: cool, good to know
[18:22] <Kilos> sometimes when there are similar nicks you need to type in 4 letters
[18:23] <Kilos> what client is that?
[18:23] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za 
[18:23] <parkerdo> Kilos: how long have you guys been active with ubuntu, i only started properly recently. curently running elementary os luna
[18:23] <nuvolari> .
[18:23] <nuvolari> *cough*
[18:23] <Kilos> hi nuvolari 
[18:23] <nuvolari> hallo oom Kilos, inetpr, parkerdo
[18:24] <Kilos> ive been on ubuntu since 8.10
[18:24] <Kilos> so end 98
[18:24] <Kilos> no
[18:24] <Kilos> 2008
[18:24] <parkerdo> Kilos: the live chat link on the ubuntu-za site
[18:24] <parkerdo> nuvolari: hi nuvolari
[18:24] <nuvolari> AFAIK it's going to be an open discussion right?
[18:24] <Kilos> you using unity parkerdo ?
[18:24] <SabreWolfy> Just watching. Sort of away.
[18:25] <Kilos> thats right nuvolari 
[18:25] <parkerdo> Kilos: ok cool. and yes i am
[18:25] <Kilos> cool SabreWolfy 
[18:25] <nuvolari> okies, freestyle
[18:25] <inetpro> nuvolari: wb, yes open discussion but the chair driving it for an hour
[18:25] <nuvolari> Maaz: kettle on
[18:25] <Maaz> nuvolari: Excuse me?
[18:25] <Kilos> then install xchat
[18:25] <nuvolari> Maaz: pot on
[18:25] <Maaz> nuvolari: *blink*
[18:25] <nuvolari> Maaz: coffee please
[18:25] <Maaz> nuvolari: There isn't a pot on
[18:25] <Kilos> Maaz: coffee please
[18:25] <Maaz> Kilos: There isn't a pot on
[18:25] <inetpro> parkerdo: I'm from Pretoria
[18:25] <Kilos> ai!
[18:25] <nuvolari> Maaz: pot on
[18:25] <Maaz> nuvolari: Huh?
[18:25] <Kilos> Maaz: coffee ojn
[18:25] <Maaz> Kilos: Huh?
[18:26] <nuvolari> Maaz: make me coffee
[18:26] <Maaz> nuvolari: *blink*
[18:26] <Kilos> ai!
[18:26] <nuvolari> Maaz: coffee on
[18:26]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[18:26] <Kilos> Maaz: coffee on
[18:26] <Maaz> Kilos: There's already a pot on. If you ask nicely, maybe you can have a cup
[18:26] <parkerdo> inetpro: nice
[18:26] <nuvolari> sudo maaz coffee on
[18:26] <nuvolari> :P
[18:26] <inetpro> good to see more people from Jhb
[18:26] <Kilos> eish the bot is sick again
[18:26] <parkerdo> Kilos: ok i will
[18:26] <eyesonly> lol, now i'm going to make myself coffee
[18:26] <inetpro> we need many more of them
[18:26] <inetpro> and from Pretoria
[18:26] <inetpro> CT been taking over far too much
[18:26] <Kilos> Maaz: coffee please
[18:26] <Maaz> Kilos: Alrighty
[18:27] <Kilos> yay
[18:27] <parkerdo> well i hope to be getting allot more active in future
[18:27] <inetpro> nuvolari: you ready to drive it?
[18:27] <eyesonly> i'm moving to PE this week, currently in CT
[18:27] <nuvolari> inetpro: affirmative
[18:27] <nuvolari> oh hi eyesonly 
[18:27] <inetpro> Agenda is at: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/698/detail/
[18:29] <nuvolari> hmm, when do we have to apply for loco-status again?
[18:30] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for nuvolari and Kilos!
[18:30] <inetpro> eyesonly also new here?
[18:30] <Kilos> i think thats been dropped nuvolari 
[18:30] <Kilos> Maaz: dankie man
[18:30] <Maaz> Groot plesier my vriend
[18:30] <nuvolari> thanks Maaz 
[18:31] <eyesonly> inetpro yes, i want to get more involved in open source in general, as a developer
[18:31] <inetpro> Kilos: I'm not sure it's entirely dropped
[18:31] <Kilos> oh
[18:31] <Kilos> well do they tell us when it needs doing
[18:31] <inetpro> nice!
[18:31] <parkerdo> nuvolari: what is loco-status if i may ask?
[18:31] <inetpro> Kilos: we'll wait and see 
[18:32] <nuvolari> oh dear, I'm late
[18:32] <Kilos> its being recognised as an official loco parkerdo 
[18:32] <nuvolari> Maaz: start meeting about Ubuntu-ZA Monthly LoCo Meeting - Dec 2013
[18:32]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[18:32] <inetpro> parkerdo: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil 
[18:32] <nuvolari> Maaz: I am Johan Mynhardt
[18:32] <Maaz> nuvolari: Sure
[18:32] <Kilos> Maaz: I am Miles Sharpe
[18:32] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay
[18:33] <parkerdo> Kilos: ok cool, thanks
[18:33] <Kilos> login with the bot guys
[18:33] <inetpro> Maaz: I am Gustav H Meyer
[18:33] <Maaz> inetpro: Righto
[18:33] <eyesonly> Maaz: I am Grant Woodford
[18:33] <Maaz> eyesonly: Righto
[18:33] <superfly> Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman
[18:33] <Maaz> superfly: Done
[18:33] <nuvolari> for all the new people/visitors: you can identify yourself to Maaz to be included in the meeting minutes
[18:33] <nuvolari> oh hi superfly 
[18:34] <nuvolari> Welcome to the meeting everyone
[18:34] <parkerdo> Maaz: hi, Dominic Parker
[18:34] <Maaz> lo
[18:34] <nuvolari> this is our last meeting for 2013
[18:34] <nuvolari> it was a busy year for most of us outside of the ubuntu-world, so things were very quiet
[18:35] <nuvolari> I might be wrong :P I was quiet, so that's just my observation
[18:35] <inetpro> parkerdo: do it as follows: Maaz: I am Dominic Parker
[18:35] <Kilos> most peeps were very busy
[18:35] <superfly> hi nuvolari
[18:35] <nuvolari> ah, sorry, should have been clearer on the ID process
[18:36] <nuvolari> ack
[18:36] <parkerdo> Maaz: I am Dominic Parker
[18:36] <Maaz> parkerdo: Righto
[18:36] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Welcoming and Introduction
[18:36] <Maaz> Current Topic: Welcoming and Introduction
[18:36] <parkerdo> nuvolari: no problem, its a learning process
[18:36] <nuvolari> well, this topic is basically done, just needed to get it in there
[18:37] <nuvolari> For everyone around, thank you for a good year in Ubuntu-ZA. We started off with a bang,
[18:38] <nuvolari> and we're still here to finish off the year
[18:38] <nuvolari> The community is about you, everyone here
[18:38] <Kilos> nice to see nuvolari in full song again
[18:39] <nuvolari> and the people on the mailing lists and everyone participating in meetings through the year
[18:39] <inetpro> Kilos: +1
[18:40] <nuvolari> Please give me the opportunity to wish everyone a Happy Holiday Season
[18:40] <nuvolari> if you are travelling, please be responsible and safe
[18:40] <Kilos> ty nuvolari and they same to you and family
[18:40] <inetpro> nuvolari: same there thanks
[18:40] <nuvolari> Unfortunately I have read that the deaths on the road in ZA is climbing already :-/
[18:41] <inetpro> ai!
[18:41] <nuvolari> Thanks :)
[18:41] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic New Local communities health check process
[18:41] <Maaz> Current Topic: New Local communities health check process
[18:41] <nuvolari> hmm, does anyone have an idea what this is about?
[18:41] <Kilos> nope
[18:41] <parkerdo> thank you
[18:42] <Kilos> where did you get that from
[18:42] <inetpro> nuvolari: I haven't seen anything happen on this front, guess it should just stand over for the next meeting
[18:42] <nuvolari> from the agenda oom Kilos http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/698/detail/
[18:43] <nuvolari> inetpro: ok
[18:43] <superfly> It's basically the same news as always
[18:43] <inetpro> it's about membership renewal, there was discussion around changing the process, not sure whether it was resolved
[18:43] <Kilos> must been monkey put it there
[18:43] <superfly> it's just they're changing what it sounds like so that unofficial locos seem more official
[18:43] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed: let point 'New Local communities health check process' stand over to next meeting
[18:43] <Maaz> nuvolari: Sorry...
[18:43] <nuvolari> superfly: ah thank you
[18:44] <inetpro> nuvolari: no colon
[18:44] <superfly> from what I read, anyways
[18:44] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed let point 'New Local communities health check process' stand over to next meeting
[18:44] <Maaz> Agreed: let point 'New Local communities health check process' stand over to next meeting
[18:44] <nuvolari> thanks inetpro 
[18:44] <inetpro> yw
[18:45] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 welcome to the meet
[18:45] <nuvolari> hmm, yeah, the lococouncil link from the agenda lists some posts, but nothing in particular that I could find straight away
[18:45] <nuvolari> oh hi Vince-0!
[18:45] <nuvolari> welcome :)
[18:45] <nuvolari> ok, moving on since we'll discuss it in the next meeting
[18:46] <inetpro> Vince-0: just sign the attendance register for us please :-)
[18:46] <Vince-0> Hi, soz I'm late I forgot it was Maandag
[18:46] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Meeting day
[18:46] <Maaz> Current Topic: Meeting day
[18:46] <nuvolari> oom Kilos, do you want to have a word?
[18:46] <Vince-0> Maaz, I'm Vincent Swart ?
[18:46] <Maaz> Vince-0: *blink*
[18:46] <Kilos> nope ty
[18:46] <nuvolari> 'Discuss moving of the day of our monthly meeting to find out what day could be used to suit everyone. Maia included'
[18:46] <Kilos> oh ya
[18:46] <inetpro> oh yeah, Kilos' beloved topic ;-)
[18:47] <Kilos> lol
[18:47] <nuvolari> Vince-0: 'I am...'
[18:47] <Kilos> :P
[18:47] <superfly> Any day is fine for me, 20:30 is also the best time for me.
[18:47] <Kilos> so lekker seeing emoticons on konversation
[18:47] <inetpro> Kilos: perhaps time to start on a new day in the new year?
[18:47] <Kilos> i forget but monday is out for maia
[18:48] <Kilos> other days was thursday i think
[18:48] <nuvolari> I'm happy with the current day, is there a problem as is?
[18:48] <nuvolari> ah
[18:48] <Vince-0> Maaz, I am Vincent Mcman Swart
[18:48] <Maaz> Vince-0: Yessir
[18:48] <inetpro> superfly: so Tuesday's 20:30 ok for you as well?
[18:48] <Kilos> maia has classes mondays nuvolari 
[18:48] <nuvolari> thursdays are out
[18:48] <nuvolari> for me
[18:48] <nuvolari> Tuesday is +1
[18:49] <Kilos> tuesday sounds good to me
[18:49] <nuvolari> Any objections for Tuesdays at 20:30
[18:49]  * inetpro is flexible depending on family and workload
[18:49] <Kilos> i think maia's bad days were mon and thurs
[18:49] <nuvolari> which tuesday oom Kilos?
[18:49] <nuvolari> every 3rd?
[18:49] <nuvolari> or first
[18:50] <Kilos> first or 4th i think
[18:50] <inetpro> the time is perfect for me
[18:50] <Kilos> other guys must say im here all the time
[18:51] <inetpro> +1 for Tuesday
[18:51] <nuvolari> hmm, so... the first meeting in 2014 would be on the 7th of Jan?
[18:51] <Kilos> ai!
[18:51] <Kilos> too close methinks
[18:51] <nuvolari> yeah
[18:51] <Kilos> thts 2 weeks time
[18:52] <nuvolari> 14th?
[18:52] <inetpro> shall we not try to keep it close to this one, in other words, 4th Tuesday of each month
[18:52] <nuvolari> ok
[18:52] <nuvolari> that will be the 28th
[18:52] <Kilos> 4th +1
[18:52] <nuvolari> of Jan
[18:52] <nuvolari> +1
[18:52] <Kilos> thats good
[18:52] <eyesonly> anytime good for me
[18:52] <nuvolari> (for 4th Tuesday of the month)
[18:53]  * nuvolari eyes eyesonly
[18:53] <Kilos> gives peeps a chance to settle into the new years saltmining
[18:53] <nuvolari> ok
[18:53] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed New meeting time for 2014: 4th Tuesday of the month, starting on January 28th, 2014
[18:53] <Maaz> Agreed: New meeting time for 2014: 4th Tuesday of the month, starting on January 28th, 2014
[18:53] <parkerdo> sounds good to me
[18:54] <inetpro> cool!
[18:54] <inetpro> Kilos: now you go make sure maia is here :-)
[18:54] <Kilos> i will
[18:54] <nuvolari> Moving forward?
[18:54] <Kilos> ill nag her
[18:55] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Holiday spirit stories and scenic updates
[18:55] <Maaz> Current Topic: Holiday spirit stories and scenic updates
[18:55] <nuvolari> hmm, this topic should be for after the holiday season :P we don't have stacks of pics and stories yet
[18:55]  * inetpro likes superfly's priceless fun with water
[18:56] <nuvolari> ooh, we got wazookas
[18:56] <nuvolari> I think
[18:56] <nuvolari> http://www.tevo.co.za/Uploads/Products/Picture1/390Wazooka_colours.png
[18:56] <nuvolari> oom Kilos, that's a tiny pic
[18:57] <Kilos> not guilty
[18:57] <nuvolari> eh?
[18:57] <superfly> You know what would make a good topic of discussion that is somewhat related to Ubuntu? The current state of Internet in South Africa
[18:57] <eyesonly> water balloons work well too
[18:57] <Kilos> haha monkey
[18:58] <superfly> eyesonly: Do you know how to make those origami-style waterbombs?
[18:58] <nuvolari> +1 on internet in ZA
[18:58] <nuvolari> eek, I used to make those when I was in primary! Can't remember for the life of me how they worked
[18:58] <eyesonly> superfly: no clue, i just used to fill a whole bunch, then attack classmates when they were walking home :) 
[18:59] <inetpro> superfly: what would you say about this topic?
[18:59] <Kilos> my only complaint is mobile cost
[18:59] <nuvolari> yeah, it's still quite expensive :-/
[19:00] <Kilos> but very stable here with telkom mobile
[19:00] <eyesonly> i would like to see affordable internet for the poor, i've read about studies saying peoples standard of living, education and political awareness goes up when they have access to the internet at home
[19:00] <superfly> inetpro: everyone has something to say, hence the topic :-)
[19:00] <nuvolari> http://www.origami-instructions.com/origami-water-balloon.html
[19:00] <superfly> shall we leave it for the next meeting then? I'm happy to chair that part of the discussion
[19:01] <nuvolari> ok
[19:01] <inetpro> superfly: sure thing, raising a good point, how do we address it?
[19:01] <Kilos> you got plans superfly ?
[19:01] <superfly> inetpro: that's another topic for another day ;-)
[19:01] <inetpro> ok
[19:01] <superfly> Kilos: not necessarily, just thinking about it recently
[19:01] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed topic for next meeting, by superfly: The current state of Internet in South Africa
[19:01] <Maaz> Agreed: topic for next meeting, by superfly: The current state of Internet in South Africa
[19:02] <parkerdo> i like that topic too, i deal with a few of the network providers as my day job
[19:02] <Kilos> nuvolari: make sure it comes up in next meet if you can
[19:02] <Kilos> that sounds good parkerdo welcome aboard
[19:02] <inetpro> definitely a very relevant topic for many people, hope to see many people attending the discussion
[19:03] <nuvolari> ooh, someone to get bandwidth from :D
[19:03] <parkerdo> has anyone tested the ubuntu touch as yet?
[19:03] <Kilos> lol
[19:03] <eyesonly> or does the government monitor our internet?
[19:03] <parkerdo> nuvolari: not that close with them
[19:03] <superfly> parkerdo: nope, another good topic for a few minutes of discussion
[19:03] <inetpro> eyesonly: internet, what internet?
[19:04] <eyesonly> inetpro: lol, well, those who can afford it
[19:05] <eyesonly> inetpro: e.g. politicians, business, some activists, journalists, etc
[19:05] <parkerdo> superfly: i was able to install it on a google nexus recently but unbelievable lag, unlike the reviews and videos floating on youtube
[19:05] <nuvolari> when inetpro talks about internet he actually thinks about his indoor pool and the hangmat
[19:05] <eyesonly> i've got a nexus 4, i should try it on that
[19:06] <parkerdo> eyesonly: nice
[19:07] <inetpro> perhaps tumbleweed can shed some light on progress of Ubuntu Touch
[19:07] <eyesonly> that phone is really fast, i switched from stock Android to cyanogen mod and got a big performance boost, plus amazing privacy control
[19:07] <nuvolari> Maaz: accepted topic for future meeting: South African Internet and Government Involvement
[19:07] <Maaz> Accepted: topic for future meeting: South African Internet and Government Involvement
[19:07] <eyesonly> yay, idea accepted
[19:08] <inetpro> I think 2014 will be interesting year
[19:08] <nuvolari> yeah, I heard something dropped about the secrecy bill?
[19:08] <inetpro> small scale devices now really becoming powerfull enough to run a proper OS
[19:08] <Kilos> ai!
[19:08] <parkerdo> last info i saw was that it should be available on smartphones in the new year
[19:09] <eyesonly> inetpro: what small scale devices you been playing with
[19:09]  * inetpro enjoying the Note II
[19:09] <parkerdo> eyesonly: only read up on cyanogen today
[19:10] <Kilos> R
[19:10] <Kilos> ai!
[19:10] <eyesonly> parkerdo, the feature that surprized me was, that i could blacklist numbers or even private numbers, so no more spam sms or calls
[19:10] <Kilos> sorry
[19:10] <parkerdo> Kilos: whats wrong kilo?
[19:11] <tumbleweed> inetpro: sorry, not a world I know too much about
[19:11] <eyesonly> hope Ubuntu Touch gives us blacklist functionality for our phones
[19:11] <Kilos> ctrl+r underlines here on konversation
[19:11] <inetpro> tumbleweed: hmm... ok
[19:11] <nuvolari> Protection of State Information Bill: http://d2zmx6mlqh7g3a.cloudfront.net/cdn/farfuture/OX5V_Gl2tA6udGll3oWWPdZi4QMpkbnb8x2UIe0JIUY/mtime:1381381143/files/bill6d-2010.pdf
[19:12] <parkerdo> eyesonly: if only we could do that with pvt calls
[19:12] <superfly> parkerdo, eyesonly: I have an S3, still rocking CM 10.2 - not going Ubuntu Touch any time soon, I don't think they're ever going to formally support it
[19:13] <eyesonly> parkerdo: my phone currently blocks pvt calls
[19:13] <nuvolari> gimme 5 minutes, bbiab
[19:14] <eyesonly> superfly: that is sad, but phones don't have a long shelf life, just make sure your next one supports it
[19:14] <parkerdo> superfly: honestly i am a big fan, tried it on the nexus but not impressed. wanna try it on the nexus 7, havent gotten it to work yet though
[19:14] <parkerdo> eyesonly: i like
[19:15] <Vince-0> brb
[19:15] <inetpro> what other topics would you guys like to see on the agenda for another meeting?
[19:15] <superfly> I'm keen to get something like a Nexus 5, but I'm not liking where Google is going, removing functionality from AOSP and putting it into their proprietary apps (look at Hangouts supporting SMS now)
[19:16] <inetpro> superfly: I agree, Hangouts and SMS integration is not working well enough for me, yet
[19:18] <Kilos> hi mage
[19:18] <parkerdo> i enjoy trying something new, and i really like having integration. a phone that is my desktop too. ubuntu edge as an example. 
[19:18] <superfly> inetpro: I'm not using it, and I plan to stay away from it
[19:18] <superfly> magespawn: you're late! ;-)
[19:19] <Kilos> hi magespawn welcome
[19:19] <magespawn> Yes sorry
[19:19] <Kilos> lol
[19:19] <inetpro> superfly: I tried it just to see whether perhaps they have found a better solution, they haven't
[19:19] <magespawn> Evening all
[19:19] <inetpro> magespawn: wb
[19:20] <inetpro> magespawn: you still have time to sign the register... Maaz: I am...
[19:20] <parkerdo> gentleman and ladies, it has been a pleasure but i need leave. i do appreciate the warm welcome and i will definitely be. unfortunately responsibilities call at the moment. again thank you and enjoy your evening.
[19:20] <inetpro> parkerdo: no problem, will be good to see you back here again
[19:21] <parkerdo> inetpro: thank you
[19:21] <inetpro> nuvolari: you still with us?
[19:21] <Kilos> cheers parkerdo 
[19:21] <magespawn> Maaz I am Greg Eames
[19:21] <Kilos> dont be a stranger now
[19:21] <Maaz> magespawn: Alrighty
[19:21] <nuvolari> i'm back
[19:21] <nuvolari> had to run out quick
[19:22] <parkerdo> Kilos: enjoy
[19:22] <nuvolari> discovered a 'knopie spinnekop'
[19:22] <Kilos> ty go well
[19:22] <inetpro> eish! Is is dangerous?
[19:22] <eyesonly> how about ways to help the Ubuntu community, as a topic? i would like to hear everyones thoughts on that
[19:22] <superfly> eyesonly: a good topic too
[19:23] <superfly> nuvolari: I have another meeting in :30, are we gonna wrap up here soon (I need a quick break between meetings ;-) )
[19:23] <nuvolari> inetpro: AFAIK they are :-/
[19:24] <nuvolari> ok, just need to catch up on topics
[19:24] <inetpro> nuvolari: http://www.mieliestronk.com/knopiespin.html
[19:24] <nuvolari> and finish off the meeting
[19:24] <Kilos> 16 mins superfly ?
[19:24] <Kilos> 6 sorry
[19:24] <Kilos> but been nice having you here like the old days
[19:24] <nuvolari> Maaz: accepted topic by eyesonly 'Ways to help the Ubuntu Community'
[19:24] <Maaz> Accepted: topic by eyesonly 'Ways to help the Ubuntu Community'
[19:25] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Next meeting and chair
[19:25] <Maaz> Current Topic: Next meeting and chair
[19:25] <nuvolari> I'm open for Chairing the next meeting
[19:25] <nuvolari> the next meeting will be on the 28th of January
[19:26] <nuvolari> 2014
[19:26] <Kilos> nuvolari: +1 for chair
[19:26] <magespawn> +1
[19:26] <inetpro> +1
[19:26] <nuvolari> inetpro: it is a bruin knopie (3rd image)
[19:27] <nuvolari> Maaz: accepted Chair for next meeting: nuvolari 
[19:27] <Maaz> Accepted: Chair for next meeting: nuvolari
[19:27] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Closing
[19:27] <Maaz> Current Topic: Closing
[19:27] <nuvolari> Right, thank you for attending the meeting everyone
[19:27] <nuvolari> it was a good year, and I look forward to next year
[19:27] <Vince-0> !
[19:27] <Kilos> ty for chairing at such short notice nuvolari 
[19:27] <eyesonly> thank you 
[19:27] <nuvolari> I'll definitely try to be around more often
[19:28] <Kilos> staat maker
[19:28] <nuvolari> we have some initiative coming from the DLUG, will keep you updated on that next year
[19:28] <Kilos> ty
[19:28] <nuvolari> You're welcome oom Kilos :) I help where I can!
[19:28] <magespawn> And I, but things are moving fast
[19:28] <Kilos> we are thankful
[19:28] <nuvolari> magespawn: yeah :-/
[19:28] <nuvolari> magespawn: hi btw :P
[19:29] <nuvolari> ok, any last words or concerns?
[19:29] <magespawn> Hey nuvolari
[19:29] <Kilos> ami do any of you working class see next year being easier for you?
[19:30] <eyesonly> Kilos: i'm going from working class to student :/
[19:30] <Kilos> thats good. what you gonna study?
[19:30] <eyesonly> hopefully student life is easier
[19:30] <nuvolari> ack :-/ I will be hitting the books sometime next year as well
[19:30] <inetpro> Kilos: maybe later in the year but not early for me
[19:31] <Kilos> ai! inetpro 
[19:31] <inetpro> gaan rof en onbeskof afskop in die nuwe jaar
[19:31] <eyesonly> masters computer science, AI and robots, really excited
[19:31] <Kilos> great eyesonly 
[19:32] <nuvolari> Thanks again for everyone's involvement this year and for tonight's meeting. Have a great new year to everyone we'll only see then :)
[19:32]  * nuvolari out
[19:32] <magespawn> Maybe 
[19:32] <nuvolari> Maaz: end meeting
[19:32] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[19:32] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-12-23-18-32-33.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-12-23-18-32-33.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-12-23-18-32-33.html
[19:32] <inetpro> thanks nuvolari
[19:32] <nuvolari> You're welcome :)
[19:32] <nuvolari> what a day, I can get used to having lots of sleep
[19:32]  * Kilos happy, enjoyed that meet
[19:32] <nuvolari> :P
[19:33] <inetpro> nuvolari: I suggest you create that new agenda now, to be ready for the next meet while you are in the mode
[19:33] <Kilos> haha well said
[19:34] <Kilos> wb aquarat 
[19:35] <aquarat> thanks Kilos :)
[19:36]  * nuvolari needs to grow some minions
[19:36] <nuvolari> :P
[19:36] <Kilos> whats that?
[19:36] <inetpro> Maaz: define minions
[19:36] <Maaz> inetpro: I don't know about minions. Maybe you meant Minion, Minious or minion?
[19:36] <inetpro> Maaz: define minion
[19:36] <Kilos> lol
[19:36] <Maaz> inetpro: Minion \Min"ion\, a. [See 2d {Minion}.] Fine; trim; dainty. [Obs.] "Their . . . minion dancing." --Fryth. [1913 Webster], Minion \Min"ion\, n. Minimum. [Obs.] --Burton. [1913 Webster], Minion \Min"ion\, n. [F. mignon, fr. OHG. minni love, G. minne; akin to E. mind. See {Mind}, and cf. {Mignonette}.] [1913 Webster] 1. A loved one; one highly esteemed and
[19:36] <Maaz> favored; -- in a good sense. [Obs.] [1913 Webster]  God's disciple and his dearest minion.…
[19:37] <magespawn> That would be very  useful nuvolari
[19:37] <Kilos> i still dont understand
[19:38] <Kilos> do they grow in potting soil?
[19:38] <magespawn> Dispicable Me?
[19:39] <Kilos> inetpro: my 4.10 is baie mooi
[19:39] <Kilos> cant wait for 14.04 kde
[19:39] <nuvolari> lol
[19:40] <nuvolari> maybe, If I can figure out how to grow them in potting soil, then, yes
[19:42] <nuvolari> Maaz: meeting.next is http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/716/detail/
[19:42] <Maaz> nuvolari: I'll remember that
[19:42] <inetpro> nuvolari: "Gelukkig vir ’n menslike slagoffer is die toegediende hoeveelheid gif egter na verhouding so gering dat ’n mens in die reël nie tot die dood toe bekommerd hoef te wees as jy deur een gebyt word nie. Die gif van die kno­pie­spin­ne­kop is nietemin ’n neuro­toksien, met ander woorde dit werk spesifiek in op die senuselle. En die uit­wer­king op die menslike gestel kan erg on­aan­ge­naam wees, om die minste te sê..."
[19:44] <nuvolari> Hmm, it's in my room. It just went to hide underneath the desk. I hope it stays there
[19:44] <Kilos> all spiders should be splatted
[19:44] <Kilos> Doom
[19:44]  * SabreWolfy scrolls back 60+ minutes
[19:44] <Kilos> hehe
[19:45] <nuvolari> :O the bloodshed and violence
[19:45] <inetpro> Kilos: nee man
[19:46] <Kilos> ai!
[19:46] <inetpro> spiders are a good sign of a healthy environment
[19:46] <Kilos> same as snakes
[19:46] <Symmetria> sup ;p
[19:46] <Kilos> ya till your face is full of cobwebs or you are bitten
[19:47] <inetpro> magespawn: or what am I saying?
[19:47] <Kilos> hi Symmetria 
[19:47] <magespawn> Spiders control mozzies
[19:47] <Symmetria> lol wanna see what happens when you get desperate for more disk space
[19:47] <Symmetria> but run outta place to connect it sanely
[19:47] <Symmetria> http://www.alstonnetworks.net/temp/server.jpg 
[19:47] <Symmetria> lol
[19:48] <Kilos> those yellow sata cables are lekker hey?
[19:48] <Kilos> lock goodie too
[19:49] <Symmetria> kilos lol, see the stack of disks on top of the machine?
[19:49] <superfly> nuvolari: hydroponics
[19:49] <Symmetria> you can see the 6 x 3TB in the machine (there is an SSD in there as well) for 7 internals, and then there is that stack of 4TB disks on top of it 
[19:50] <Symmetria> and if you look closely below the video card you'll see 2 x PCI-E USB-3 expansion cards
[19:50] <Kilos> ya but not clear man you need to use light from behind you
[19:50] <Symmetria> lol in total there are 7 x 4TB, 6 x 3TB and 1 x 256gig SSD in that one machine
[19:51] <Kilos> whew
[19:51] <magespawn> Now that is a plan superfly
[19:51] <Kilos> poor psu
[19:52] <Kilos> whew, i need to crash. thanks for a nice met guys
[19:52] <inetpro> nag oom
[19:52] <Kilos> sleep tight and if i dont see you before the 25th have a blessed Christmas
[20:08] <nuvolari> right, agenda done
[20:08] <Symmetria> come on, I need a draw in this football game thats on right now
[20:08] <Symmetria> and if someone breaks torres's legs while they are at it I wont cry
[20:14] <inetpro> nuvolari: thanks
[20:21] <eyesonly> looks like the http://ubuntu-za.org wiki event calendar needs to be updated, it still showing next meeting is 27 Jan
[20:25] <Vince-0> !
[20:29] <magespawn> Good night all
[20:29] <SabreWolfy> Cheers ma
[20:30] <SabreWolfy> Cheers magespawn 
[20:30] <nuvolari> hmm, who manages the calendar?