[00:01] <dwatkins> I never really appreciated the joke about LISP standing for Lots of Incredibly Silly Parenthesis until I started watching a lecture about it... http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-computer-science/6-001-structure-and-interpretation-of-computer-programs-spring-2005/video-lectures/1a-overview-and-introduction-to-lisp/
[00:01] <dwatkins> it really does use a lot of brackets
[00:23] <gordonjcp> lisp is crazy
[00:23] <gordonjcp> fun though
[00:23] <gordonjcp> Forth > LISP
[05:08] <shauno_> I shouldn't have checked the weather.  took a peek when to see when this is meant to be over, instead the 5-day just shows it going from red to purple.
[05:10] <MartijnVdS> http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/dec/24/enigma-codebreaker-alan-turing-royal-pardon
[07:04] <mapps> its horrendous weather here shauno_
[07:04] <mapps> windy/raining and cold
[07:18] <MartijnVdS> same here
[07:21] <shauno_> wet & cold I'm used to, but this wind is vicious
[07:22] <MartijnVdS> shauno_: now imagine biking through it.
[07:23] <shauno_> eh, I walk, it's not much more fun :)
[08:25] <diplo> Morning all
[08:34] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:41] <mapps> morning
[09:04] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Christmas Eve! :-D
[09:05] <MartijnVdS>  morning JamesTait :)
[09:05] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, o/
[09:05] <MartijnVdS> whoa.. 100k homes without power in the south
[09:05] <MartijnVdS> http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/dec/24/storm-batters-uk-before-christmas-live-blog
[09:06] <JamesTait> Yes, I saw Christel was having problems.
[09:06] <MartijnVdS> diddledan was on laptop/3g power as well last night
[09:08] <JamesTait> Apparently there was some flooding almost as far north as us as well, near Leicester.
[09:08] <MartijnVdS> good thing I was in London *last week* -- Gatwick seems to be having trouble
[09:08] <MartijnVdS> (and guess where I flew to/from)
[09:09] <JamesTait> Though I only have anecdotal evidence from a slighty tipsy friend about that, so it might just have been a puddle. :-P
[09:09] <MartijnVdS> :)
[09:11] <MartijnVdS> We're sticking to fallen trees: http://www.maartenbrante.com/detail/kerstboom-leidseplein-omgewaaid
[09:12] <diplo> I lost 5 fence panels last night, roads are flooded all over
[09:12] <diplo> Clear blue skies this morning though
[09:12] <MartijnVdS> ...: https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/415247494399139840
[09:12] <JamesTait> Have you noticed that the little Streetview peg man on Google Maps is wearing a Santa hat?
[09:13] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: yeah, have you noticed that when you shake your phone when the G+ Photos app is open you can add falling snow to a picture?
[09:13] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, does it work with the laptop? :-P
[09:13] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: maybe.. why don't you try? ;)
[09:14] <JamesTait> Morning msm!
[09:15] <msm_> hey JamesTait :)
[09:15] <JamesTait> Hapy Christmas Eve!
[09:16] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, on my phone it looks more like an earthquake, as the picture tumbles from landscape to portrait and back.  I guess they don't support Ubuntu Touch. ;)
[09:16] <msm_> Happy Christmas Eve :)
[09:16] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: stupid Google ;)
[09:16] <JamesTait> ikr
[09:19] <JamesTait> It feels very weird this morning only having 13 unread mails in my Inbox.  Something must have broken. :-P
[09:58] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:59] <diddledan_> merry everyone
[10:00] <diddledan_> eve*
[10:00] <diddledan_> merry everyone eve**
[10:00] <bigcalm> Sounds like a good time to start drinking then
[10:00] <diddledan_> lol
[10:00] <bigcalm> Maybe you've already started
[10:02] <diddledan_> *huc*
[10:02] <diddledan_> erm
[10:02] <diddledan_> *hic*
[10:02] <MartijnVdS> \o
[10:02] <diddledan_> my fingers aren't working right
[10:02] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: time to get new ones!
[10:06] <diddledan_> MartijnVdS, I'm quite attached to these ones though
[10:09] <JamesTait> That mulled wine is potent stuff, eh diddledan_? ;)
[10:09] <JamesTait> Don't!
[10:09] <diddledan_> I'm not as thing as you drink I am
[10:13] <popey> Morning all!
[10:13] <JamesTait> Morning popey! :)
[10:14] <bigcalm> popey: amazed that you left it to the last moment before backing Linux Voice
[10:14] <popey> Waiting for pay day ☻
[10:15] <popey> and saw the notification on my phone as I woke this morning and bought it as an xmas pressie to my self
[10:15] <bigcalm> Hummmmmm, okay :)
[10:16] <bigcalm> :D
[10:16] <bigcalm> You get notification of being paid?
[10:16] <popey> yeah, pay slip in the post
[10:16] <popey> no, the notification of the indiegogo finishing
[10:17] <bigcalm> I have to rely upon the standing order my employer has to pay me. It's rare that they remember to send me pay slips
[10:17] <bigcalm> Ah
[10:17] <popey> ours is outsourced
[10:18] <bigcalm> Hayley is home! No more work for either of use for a few days!
[10:20] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:23] <popey> yo
[10:27] <brobostigon> morning popey
[10:33] <bigcalm> SteamWorld Dig - any good?
[10:34] <brobostigon> tmrw, i get to test my binary watch face on my pebble, :)
[10:39] <AlanBell> morning all
[10:43] <AlanBell> 2http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/a-raspberry-pi-build-cluster-for-ubuntu/x/5206923 less than a day to go
[10:44] <AlanBell> and without the leading 2 http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/a-raspberry-pi-build-cluster-for-ubuntu/x/5206923 less than a day to go
[10:48] <diddledan_> \o/
[10:49] <bigcalm> When do they release the money?
[10:54] <diddledan_> bigcalm, it's all about the money for you?
[10:54] <diddledan_> what about the goodwill?!
[10:54] <diddledan_> and the happiness and joy
[10:55] <diddledan_> and the peace to all men
[10:55] <bigcalm> Goodwill doesn't buy equipment for server farms
[10:56] <diddledan_> this is true
[10:56] <bigcalm> I've given £75 of goodwill ;)
[10:56] <diddledan_> :-p
[10:56] <diddledan_> does that mean you get to name a pi?
[10:57] <bigcalm> Yep
[10:57] <bigcalm> Still haven't thought of a name
[10:58] <diddledan_> I can't think of a funny
[10:58] <shauno_> 'localhost' ?  ;)
[10:58] <diddledan_> lol
[10:58] <diddledan_> onetwosevenohohone
[10:58] <bigcalm> 'yourmum'
[10:59] <diddledan_> "awesome"? so then it says "package build by awesome"
[10:59] <diddledan_> or maybe "magic"
[10:59] <diddledan_> or "little-elves"
[10:59] <diddledan_> actually, I like little-elves
[11:00] <diddledan_> coelesing-entropy?
[11:00] <diddledan_> that's a good one
[11:00] <diddledan_> package build by coelesing-entropy
[11:01] <MartijnVdS> coalescing
[11:01] <MartijnVdS> diddledan_: by entropy inversion maybe then
[11:01] <diddledan_> I knew I spely iy wrong
[11:01] <shauno_> diddledan_: good news, there's still time to get yer 75 quid in :p
[11:01] <diddledan_> heh
[11:11] <bigcalm> Smooth ;)
[11:12] <bigcalm> My desk is covered in little nodules of flux. Missed this
[11:12] <diddledan_> lol
[11:12] <diddledan_> yey for soldering
[11:18] <diddledan_> damn you lot, you suckered me into it
[11:19] <shauno_> good boy.
[11:19] <diddledan_> btw - he's on his way: http://www.google.co.uk/santatracker
[11:21] <bigcalm> ABP blocked the main content, yayu
[11:25] <shauno_> gosh, the rain here sounds like someone's hosing the window
[11:28] <MartijnVdS> shauno_: horizontal rain?
[11:29] <shauno_> I think that's actually a possibility at this point.  I'm right by the ocean.  and right now, it feels like it
[11:29] <MartijnVdS> we've had rain going *upwards* here
[11:32] <diplo> shauno_: That's what we had last night till about 2am
[11:32] <bigcalm> For all of the storms we've had in the last few days, I'm amazed that we now have bright sunshine and blue skies
[11:32] <diplo> It would go North for a bit and then east, blowing all around
[11:33] <shauno_> we're just getting it flat in the face off the Atlantic
[11:33] <diplo> anyone having issues with Skype/MSN this morning
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> diplo: only philosophical ones
[11:33] <diplo> Mine takes forever to login and sometimes works and other times I see two contacts
[11:33] <diplo> But can't contact them :/
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> diplo: NSA servers are probably full
[11:34] <diplo> heh
[12:13] <diddledan_> what happens to the pdpc hostmasks now that the pdpc is dead?
[12:14] <diddledan_> ref: shauno's hostname
[12:14] <diddledan_> mask*
[12:14] <bigcalm> diddledan_: I stopped my payments a long time ago. Nobody has got around to changing the masks
[12:18] <shauno> yeah, I got an email from paypal to tell me the sub had been cancelled at their end
[12:31] <MartijnVdS> https://isitchristmas.com/
[12:35] <tariqch> any girls
[12:36] <diddledan_> tariqch, try shauno , she's sexy
[12:38] <MartijnVdS> or popey
[12:39] <diddledan_> tariqch, y u no talk?
[12:40] <diddledan_> I can't read the name twinsenx correctly
[12:41] <MartijnVdS> diddledan_: "Twinsen" was the main character of LBA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Big_Adventure
[12:41] <twinsenx> too many twinsen(s), so i added x. it'd be sound like twin+sen+axe, i guess.
[12:41] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: that was a fun site. Did you view the source?
[12:41] <diddledan_> to my perverted mind it doesn't sound like twin sen axe
[12:42] <diddledan_> -_-
[12:42] <twinsenx> i recommend better not miss 'n' sound. ho ho ho.
[12:42] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: yeah, I also opened the dev console :)
[12:43] <bigcalm> Aye
[12:43] <MartijnVdS> https://konklone.com/post/how-to-hack-the-developer-console-to-be-needlessly-interactive 8-)
[12:45] <diddledan_> oooh, that isitchristmas shows you the flags of everyone visiting and where their mouse is?
[12:46] <MartijnVdS> diddledan_: yeah, and clicking/mousewheel do things
[12:46] <MartijnVdS> diddledan_: and there's chat in the js console 8-)
[12:46] <MartijnVdS> \o/ websockets
[12:50] <neuro> for a single use website, it's crazy
[12:50] <neuro> https://github.com/isitchristmas
[12:52] <marxjohnson> f
[12:52] <marxjohnson> oops
[12:52] <neuro> g
[12:52] <diddledan_> https://isitchristmas.com/canary.txt
[12:54] <MartijnVdS> nice
[12:55] <MartijnVdS> there's no copy/paste news item in the signature
[12:56] <diddledan_> hmm
[12:57] <diddledan_> cut+paste for 24 december would possibly be fakable : "all over the country people have been using the last shopping day before christmas in their thousands"
[12:57] <MartijnVdS> diddledan_: it could be something about the storm
[12:57] <diddledan_> or maybe "shops overwhelmed with influx of shoppers after 'the storm'"
[12:57] <diddledan_> :-p
[13:20] <MartijnVdS> http://www.google.com/santatracker/#/tracker/dashboard !
[14:06] <diddledan_> oh dear
[14:10] <foobarry> ah..this new bluetooth keyboard for my tablet is lovely
[14:10] <foobarry> no alt key for my irssi requirements, otherwise nice
[14:14] <dwatkins> I have a bluetooth mouse, it's ace.
[14:21] <foobarry> struggling to get uk layout working
[15:24]  * neuro finally remembers to update http://howlonguntilthenextdoctorwho.com/
[15:41] <DJones> Are my eyes missing something, BBC's headline for this photo http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/71941000/jpg/_71941244_de27-1.jpg says "A helicopter caught this dramatic image of two light aircraft scattered and upturned at the Redhill Aerodrome in Surrey" Which part of upturned means the right way up
[15:42] <DJones> It just looks like they were parked in a dip & the water has flooded the dip
[15:48] <DJones> ok, you actually have to watch a video thats not linked from the original bbc page of a a different part of the aerodrome before you see a fleeting glimpse of an upside down plane
[17:18] <daftykins> DJones: :D
[18:05] <JamesTait> Have a wonderful Christmas and New Year, everyone!
[18:06] <daftykins> and you sir
[18:07] <MartijnVdS> and all of you too :)
[18:07] <AlanBell> a happy Yuletide to one and all \o/
[18:18] <MartijnVdS> whoo, vlc + dvb-s = go!
[18:26] <MartijnVdS> ooh, Finding Nemo
[18:41] <daftykins> hehe
[19:12] <directhex> who likes FREE GAMES?
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> directhex: steam?
[19:15] <directhex> yes
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> vhere?
[19:17] <MartijnVdS> ah, super hexagon is at "-90% - €0,30" atm
[19:18] <directhex> MartijnVdS, in my email inbox!
[19:18] <MartijnVdS> oh, just for you then?
[19:18] <MartijnVdS> <- might be confused a bit
[19:19] <directhex> i have a spare free game
[19:19] <daftykins> i also am not getting the full picture
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> directhex: Which game?
[19:19] <directhex> dungeon defenders complete
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> Thanks, but I'd never play it anyway. Better give that to someone who will I guess :)
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> I have a Super Hexagon if someone wants it.
[19:20] <directhex> babies love hexagons
[19:20] <directhex> anyone with an <18 month old needs super hexagon
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> so.. you have it already? :)
[19:22] <MartijnVdS> directhex: or do you want it?
[19:28] <directhex> MartijnVdS, i have most games already :p
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> directhex: yeah, I noticed in your profile page :)
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> just added you btw
[20:25] <arc__> hello
[20:27] <daftykins> hi
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> \o
[20:27] <arc__> is there a way to see my traffic thorugh my ubuntu server
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> arc__: lots of ways
[20:27] <arc__> ok
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> arc__: how much detail do you want? do you want it live?
[20:27] <arc__> noob detail not too complex
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> arc__: just the total number of bytes? every single stream?
[20:27] <arc__> suprise me
[20:28] <MartijnVdS> arc__: well there's "ip -s link", which shows statistics for every network interface: just the numbers of bytes and packets sent and received
[20:28] <arc__> and
[20:28] <MartijnVdS> you could try "iptraf" to see individual TCP streams and UDP packets
[20:28] <MartijnVdS> or iftop
[20:29] <arc__> i know this may sound daft but is there a web interface one
[20:29] <arc__> with graphs
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> well, you could configure something using rrdtool (collectd, cacti, etc.)
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> but that's a bit more work, and those tools all have pretty good howtos themselves
[20:30] <arc__> ok
[20:31] <arc__> sorry to ask i am a server noob i installed it for a joke but .........
[20:31] <arc__> sad days
[20:32] <MartijnVdS> arc__: best way to learn -- just dive in
[20:32] <arc__> yeah
[20:32] <arc__> :)
[20:33] <arc__> can u buy portable servers that fit into a backpack ?
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> arc__: you might be able to get graphite working, it has prettier graphs
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> arc__: you could use the Raspberry pi as one.
[20:33] <arc__> kk
[20:34] <arc__> damm i had the idea of selling laptops as portable servers ;)
[20:34] <arc__> bad buisness plan
[20:36] <daftykins> i don't think anyone that has the need for a server would be without better hardware than a laptop ;)
[20:36] <arc__> what thing can u do on ubuntu server ?
[20:37] <daftykins> well, what do you WANT to do with it?
[20:37] <MartijnVdS> arc__: anything you can do with a computer, really
[20:37] <daftykins> web server, email, FTP, plenty of ideas
[20:37] <arc__> oh kk
[20:38] <arc__> should of installed it on my old dual core powerpc mac
[20:38] <daftykins> haha powerpc
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> arc__: Ubuntu isn't made for ppc anymore
[20:38] <arc__> still got support last time i checked
[20:39] <arc__> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/13.10/release/
[20:39] <daftykins> i wouldn't recommend bothering
[20:39] <daftykins> also, you don't want to run a non-LTS release on a server
[20:39] <arc__> why its better than a laptop
[20:39] <arc__> kk
[20:39] <daftykins> depends on the laptop :P
[20:40] <arc__> i have heard of doing virtual machines on servers
[20:40] <MartijnVdS> you won't be able to do that easily on powerpc
[20:40] <MartijnVdS> especially old powerpc
[20:41] <dwatkins> My netbook is a server.
[20:41] <dwatkins> I touch its keyboard so rarely, it has a layer of dust on it, and its uptime is about 6 months.
[20:41] <MartijnVdS> my desktop serves some stuff to my internal network :)
[20:42] <dwatkins> I didn't want to have a high-wattage machine left on all the time, the netbook takes about 20 Watts, iirc.
[20:44] <arc__> cool
[20:46] <arc__> so i know u can irc servers do u konw of any good walkthroughs
[20:47] <arc__> also if u create a website and host it  you still have to buy a domain right ?
[20:47] <dwatkins> arc__: nope and nope ;)
[20:48] <arc__> lol :)
[20:48] <dwatkins> The process of setting up my server and running irssi on it inside a screen/tmux shell was a learning experience for me.
[20:48] <dwatkins> As for a domain, I use a hostname on a friend's domain, but there are free dynamic DNS providers for home connections.
[20:49] <arc__> all i have done to my server is install webmin, phpmyadmin, and vnc with lxde
[20:49] <dwatkins> I like to keep it simple and secure.
[20:51] <arc__> so what awesome and cool things that you ca do with a ubuntu server
[20:51] <dwatkins> you can make fun graphs: http://www.monitorix.org/
[20:52] <arc__> ok will check it out
[20:52] <DJones> arc__: Be aware that webmin hasn't been supported in Ubuntu, its something thats supposed to cause problems
[20:52] <DJones> !webmin
[20:52] <arc__> damm
[20:52] <dwatkins> Personally, I prefer to administer my machine via the command line.
[20:53] <DJones> Its not something I've used and I don't know what the issues are, but thought it worth mentioning
[20:53] <arc__> for a noob i will take the risk
[20:53] <dwatkins> I wouldn't use webmin considering it's likely to cause issues.
[20:55] <arc__> how do i unistall it
[20:55] <shauno> I've heard better things about Zentyal if you're going that route
[20:55] <arc__> apt-get uninstall ?
[20:56] <dwatkins> arc__: check out "man apt-get", it should give you the relevant command
[20:56] <arc__> kk
[20:56] <dwatkins> most command line commands have a manpage.
[20:56] <arc__> yeah i sort of know :0
[20:57] <arc__> and sort of not
[21:12] <arc__> bye all and happy holidays
[21:13] <dwatkins> likewise
[23:46] <MooDoo> Happy Christmas All :D
[23:47] <yothsoggoth> Merry Christmas MooDoo :D
[23:48] <MooDoo> :)