[00:27] <gsfe> in your opinion is a male with a PhD attractive to women?
[03:07] <mapps> well work was boring;]
[09:58] <brobostigon> good morning boys and girls.
[10:01] <MartijnVdS> howdy
[10:02] <brobostigon> morning MartijnVdS
[10:03]  * brobostigon points at his pebble with a true binary watchface on it, :)
[10:03] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: brain.. hurts.. :)
[10:03] <brobostigon> :D
[10:03] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: coworker at my previous job had a binary clock on his desk, by the time I'd read it, it was a few minutes later 8-)
[10:04] <brobostigon> i see. oh dear. not enough practice.
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> :(
[10:09] <brobostigon> i still have to think a while aswell, but i am getting better at reading it.
[10:10] <brobostigon> and practising to read it, before the backlight goes off, especially when its dark out.
[10:12] <ali12341> when you say "true" binary watchface
[10:12] <ali12341> i can only assume you mean it shows seconds since the epoch as a 64 bit integer?
[10:13] <MartijnVdS> which epoch though
[10:13] <MartijnVdS> Unix? Apple?
[10:13] <MartijnVdS> Windows? Excel?
[10:14] <brobostigon> three colums, one showing hour, one minutes the other seconds, 1/2/4/8/16/32 in each colum, in 24 hour format.
[10:16] <brobostigon> ali12341: i think the format they call it, is a bcs-sexagesimal type.
[11:42] <MartijnVdS> so not bcd? :)
[11:49] <brobostigon> no.
[11:50] <popey> Morning
[11:50] <brobostigon> bcd is too easy.
[11:50] <brobostigon> morning popey
[11:51] <DJones> Does anybody have any experience with the 'cheaper' supermarket tablets, been asked to have a look for a reasonable tablet for a 73 year old who's reasonably computer literate, doesn't want ipad etc because of cost, debating whether the supermarket/kindle/kobo ones are a good buy for basic web browsing, email etc, its highly unlikely to have any heavy use apps installed
[11:59] <MartijnVdS> DJones: they work, but don't expect them to be very useful after 1 (maybe 2) years
[11:59] <MartijnVdS> so factor in replacement costs :)
[11:59]  * brobostigon hugs his nexus7.
[12:01] <DJones> MartijnVdS: Yeah, thats my thought, I'd rather she paid extra for the N7, even if its the 16Gb model, its not as if she'll be downloading movies/music etc to it, so I don't think she'll use the extra memory the 32Gb model has
[12:11] <penguin42> for some odd reason Amazon are selling a life size model of a standing pig - and it's going to be on discount
[12:12] <brobostigon> reminds me of the floating pig, pink floyd used on some of there concerts.
[12:12] <penguin42> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00B5S356C/  doesn't look like it would float
[12:13] <brobostigon> ohwell.
[12:13] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: float, or fly? :)
[12:13] <brobostigon> :)
[12:14] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Ah well yes, perhaps it delivers itself
[12:15] <brobostigon> also, the benefit of a nexus is you get good android updates, unlike an unsupported tablet, you may never get android updates ever.
[12:15] <MartijnVdS> s/may/certainly/
[12:15] <brobostigon> yes.
[12:20] <penguin42> damn, Tesco had an offer on for Asus Memopads at #69 - that I would have bought - all out of stock
[12:34] <popey> DJones: my sister and her SO have got Amazon Kindle tablets for xmas, they aren't techy, but seem very happy with them.
[12:35] <popey> there's also the "May Day" button in the kindle to think of
[12:35] <popey> Someone amusingly posted about the difference between the Apple iPad advert and the Amazon Kindle adverts..
[12:35] <popey> the iPad advert shows someone pressing a couple of buttons and sending a video to the TV easily. The kindle advert shows someone needing help doing that and having to call may day to do it ☻
[12:36] <DJones> popey: Thanks, by choice I think I'll suggest the cheaper N7
[12:36] <popey> The new 2013 N7?
[12:43] <DJones> Yes
[12:44] <DJones> It'll make things easier for me giving any support, I can talk her through things using mine as an example & to check exactly what each screen should show
[12:46] <DJones> I've got an N7, my wife has, mother-in-law has, so plenty of people to give advice rather than trying to explain something on a Kindle/Hudl etc withg a different UI that I don't know
[12:51] <popey> yeah, wise
[13:15] <foobarry> does hudl have a different ui?
[13:18] <foobarry> just saw people rushing into selfridges in the sale. every single person of the first 250or so   rushing through the door was oriental/japanese. why's  that?
[13:19] <foobarry> only tourists are first in queue for sales? japanese national sport?
[13:20] <DJones> I think the hudl has a 'tesco' overlay above the android os
[13:20] <foobarry> kindle ui is terrible
[13:21] <DJones> popey: Must admit, I'm quite tempted to have a look at the dual booting for Android/Ubuntu Touch thats been announced, need to read up a bit more to see whether its N7 2013 compatible or just original N7 first
[13:58] <foobarry> what the heck.  did a search on a tame topic on the kobo site and got a page full of smut
[14:05] <DJones> foobarry: Just don't search for vampire books, they pretty much all seem to 'erotic novels', you don't get vampires = nasty, scary things anymore
[14:07] <foobarry> it wasn't even romance/erotic novels
[14:07] <foobarry> it was pornographic content
[14:08] <neuro> doo de doo de doo
[14:10]  * neuro is trying to build up willpower to tidy up and move old telly out of the way before going to currys to collect new one
[14:10] <neuro> and not to sit and watch the celtic game at 3 :P
[14:11]  * foobarry was unwell in the night and moping around  at home sans family
[14:12] <foobarry> arggh man utd just scored
[14:13] <neuro> ha ha
[14:21] <neuro> 13:15 <foobarry> does hudl have a different ui?
[14:21] <neuro> no
[14:22] <neuro> it's just stock android with some tesco apps preloaded, iirc
[14:22] <foobarry> ah, good
[14:38] <mapps> hk everytime i try wireless cracking on my own network..it never works:)
[14:39] <mapps> tried with 3 different wireless cards and somehow gets nowhere!
[14:40] <mapps> urgh holidays are a pain..tesco shuts at 7;/
[14:47] <foobarry> cracking WPA2?
[14:50] <jpickett> mapps, depends on the wireless cards you're using
[15:48] <mapps> yea
[15:48] <mapps> foobarry,  trying to
[15:48] <mapps> but only on my own network just for interest
[17:12]  * SuperEngineer is rather impressed with the workings of Synaptic - tried Choqok twitter client - authorises ok [despite what it says in software Centre Centre comments] - but doesn't work in any other way...
[17:13] <SuperEngineer> ...so decided to remove it - found it installed a load of kde stuff! Darn! went to Synaptic, searched for all "kde" under installed & marked all [execpt those which were not relevent...
[17:14] <SuperEngineer> ..on hitting "apply it removed some selected entries and then carried on - those were indeed wanted packages [&not kde} - impressed!
[17:16] <SuperEngineer> [all that was needed after was to remove .kde & run spt- autoclean - system back to normal - :)
[17:16] <SuperEngineer> *apt
[17:18] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Easiest way to get all the kde stuff is to install the kubuntu-desktop package
[17:19] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: but I wanted the reverse.  i.e. not to have it
[17:20] <SuperEngineer> [choqok installed it - choqok doesn't work - kde therefore an extra weight to carry
[17:21] <penguin42> ah
[17:21] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: The trick to doing that is rather jenga like - you need to find a library that all the KDE stuff and nothing else depends on and then remove that
[17:21] <SuperEngineer> ...disk space back to exactly where it was pre-choqok - a good measure of effective uninstall in this case
[17:23] <SuperEngineer> ...synaptic found it for me - and unmarked the entries I added to "completely remove" for me
[17:24] <SuperEngineer> sometimes success is accidental ;)
[17:27] <penguin42> nice :-)
[17:49] <bigcalm> Evening peeps :)
[17:50] <penguin42> hey bigcalm
[17:50] <SuperEngineer> 0/
[17:51] <bigcalm> I should not be let near pringles
[17:52] <bigcalm> As an adult, nobody can tell me 'no' or 'enough'
[17:54] <penguin42> they're reasonably safe with me; it's chocolate I have the problem with
[17:55] <SuperEngineer> but as adults we *can* shout STOP - naughty,nayghty - now go drink a pint of salt water [...& then we can all laugh thinking of the result]
[17:55]  * bigcalm shudders
[18:03] <bigcalm> Any suggestions for a decent blu-ray player with iPlayer/YouTube and the like?
[18:52] <directhex> oh gods he's waving goodbye to iggle piggle
[19:40] <ali12341> those "smart" blu-ray players are actually rubbish
[19:40] <ali12341> get one of those chrome dongle things instead
[19:58] <directhex> the smart blu-ray players use the same software stack from the smart TVs
[19:58] <directhex> market reviews say samsung does it best, but don't expect long-term support. lovefilm got yanked from my samsung a couple of months ago
[19:58] <penguin42> any idea why?
[19:59] <directhex> maintenance nightmare
[19:59] <directhex> smart TVs are in the same place mobile phones were before ios/android, from a fragmentation perspective. no reliable API on all devices, so lots of per-manufacturer-model-series apps to write
[20:00] <penguin42> aren't some of the TVs android?
[20:00] <directhex> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_smart_TV_platforms_and_middleware_software
[20:00] <directhex> penguin42, i don't remember any android TVs in the wild
[20:00] <directhex> LG will start shipping WebOS TVs next year
[20:01] <penguin42> hang on - you mean what was on HPs tablets?
[20:01] <directhex> yes
[20:01] <penguin42> ok, weird choice
[20:01] <directhex> replacing their NetCast stack
[20:04] <daftykins> i often switch my TV on to an update
[20:05] <daftykins> and once Samsung decide this range are ready to be ditched, likely things will slowly stop functioning (like even the iPlayer)
[20:06] <penguin42> wasn't there a case about that a while ago - the whole question of removing a feature you bought it for
[20:09] <daftykins> oh it was a regional issue, if i just let myself connect direct over my Guernsey internet connection, i couldn't get Channel 4's 4oD application. However if I proxy'd via England it'd offer it to me fine
[20:10] <daftykins> i'm not sure if it's been solved yet, but months later i did get a message saying it was being worked on (after many fob-off replies)
[20:10] <daftykins> in fairness i'm not even after using it, it was just that i should be able to and i get a bit moany if us Channel Islanders are treated differently :)
[20:29] <foobarry> i used to think the film wild geese was amazing when i was a kid. just watched it, its rubbish.
[20:30] <foobarry> where eagles dare is still good though
[20:31] <shauno> see, how on earth is this fair; http://www.meteoalarm.eu/maps/EU-131226.gif
[20:31] <popey> Evening all.
[21:01] <daftykins> happy boxing day mr. popey
[21:23] <popey> Hey daftykins, thanks, how was your xmas?
[21:26] <daftykins> good thank you :) just a small affair at my parents house with my grandma too
[21:26] <daftykins> 92 she is now - shared tales of her evacuation time during WW2
[21:28] <daftykins> popey: and yours? :)
[21:29] <popey> Yeah, usual. Ate too much
[21:30] <popey> Got Sam a Scalextric which has been pretty much permanently on since setup.
[21:31] <foobarry> which one popey ?
[21:31] <popey> just the basic non-digital one
[21:31] <foobarry> thats good memories getting made right there
[21:32] <daftykins> :)
[21:32] <popey> yeah, it was hilarious fun
[21:32] <popey> the cars coming off and slamming into the cupboard happened quite a bit
[21:32] <popey> has a cross-roads so Sam tries to time it to go over the crossroads to slam into my car
[21:34] <daftykins> XD
[21:34] <daftykins> wee destructive so-and-so!
[21:35] <popey> I got some bluetooth headphones and discovered two bugs in ubuntu as a result ☻
[21:35] <daftykins> http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Tomy-AFX-Vertigo-Scalextric-Boxed-Slot-Car-Set-2x-BMW-cars-9m-track-Complete-/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/EfUAAOxyYYlRtOQ4/$%28KGrHqRHJE8FGTqt26muBRtOQ38Tg!~~60_35.JPG
[21:35] <daftykins> i had that set as a kid
[21:36] <shauno> fancy.  we had the figure-8
[21:37] <daftykins> :D
[21:37] <TwistedLucidity> We couldn't afford the 8. All we had was the 4 and we considered ourselves lucky!
[21:37] <popey> http://www.scalextric.com/shop/sets/c1284-scalextric-mclaren-mp4-12c-set/
[21:37] <popey> that's the one we got
[21:38] <penguin42>  YorkshireManSketch<scalextric(4)>
[22:50] <sebsebseb> hi
[23:04] <popey> hi sebsebseb
[23:04] <popey> happy christmas etc
[23:05] <sebsebseb> popey: yep Merry Christmas or Happy Boxing day?
[23:09] <popey> ☻
[23:09] <diddledan> merry everyone
[23:10] <diddledan> (after a beer or two?)
[23:24] <Azelphur> Hey folks, I've got nginx with php5-fpm running on a debian machine, periodically, php5 will fail producing 502 errors. The "solution" is to restart php5-fpm every time it fails. Can anyone help me to fix this properly?
[23:25] <Azelphur> the log files seem to be fairly useless, it actually looks like php5-fpm is still running, even though the webserver cant connect to it (resource temporarily unavailable, it says in the logs)
[23:26] <ali12341> it's probably running out of sockets, or files, or memory, or something
[23:26] <Azelphur> \o/
[23:26] <Azelphur> [25-Dec-2013 04:41:10] WARNING: [pool www] server reached pm.max_children setting (5), consider raising it
[23:26] <Azelphur> I do get that in the php logs from time to time, but its only a warning?
[23:27] <ali12341> yeah well that is probably related
[23:27] <ali12341> it's probably running out of everything
[23:28] <Azelphur> as for memory, there's 16GB+32GB swap, it ain't running out of memory.
[23:28] <ali12341> php has limits that are unrelated to how much memory the hardware has
[23:29] <ali12341> basically php is crap and without those limitations it will bring down the machine by using up all resources
[23:29] <ali12341> the best way to fix this is stop using php
[23:29] <Azelphur> ali12341: already in the process of doing that, one of my sites is python based :)
[23:36] <Azelphur> raised pm.max_children, hopefully that'll solve it.