[00:27] in your opinion is a male with a PhD attractive to women? === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === bigcalm_ is now known as bigcalm [03:07] well work was boring;] [09:58] good morning boys and girls. [10:01] howdy [10:02] morning MartijnVdS [10:03] * brobostigon points at his pebble with a true binary watchface on it, :) [10:03] brobostigon: brain.. hurts.. :) [10:03] :D [10:03] brobostigon: coworker at my previous job had a binary clock on his desk, by the time I'd read it, it was a few minutes later 8-) [10:04] i see. oh dear. not enough practice. [10:08] :( [10:09] i still have to think a while aswell, but i am getting better at reading it. [10:10] and practising to read it, before the backlight goes off, especially when its dark out. [10:12] when you say "true" binary watchface [10:12] i can only assume you mean it shows seconds since the epoch as a 64 bit integer? [10:13] which epoch though [10:13] Unix? Apple? [10:13] Windows? Excel? [10:14] three colums, one showing hour, one minutes the other seconds, 1/2/4/8/16/32 in each colum, in 24 hour format. [10:16] ali12341: i think the format they call it, is a bcs-sexagesimal type. === DGJones is now known as DJones [11:42] so not bcd? :) [11:49] no. [11:50] Morning [11:50] bcd is too easy. [11:50] morning popey [11:51] Does anybody have any experience with the 'cheaper' supermarket tablets, been asked to have a look for a reasonable tablet for a 73 year old who's reasonably computer literate, doesn't want ipad etc because of cost, debating whether the supermarket/kindle/kobo ones are a good buy for basic web browsing, email etc, its highly unlikely to have any heavy use apps installed [11:59] DJones: they work, but don't expect them to be very useful after 1 (maybe 2) years [11:59] so factor in replacement costs :) [11:59] * brobostigon hugs his nexus7. [12:01] MartijnVdS: Yeah, thats my thought, I'd rather she paid extra for the N7, even if its the 16Gb model, its not as if she'll be downloading movies/music etc to it, so I don't think she'll use the extra memory the 32Gb model has [12:11] for some odd reason Amazon are selling a life size model of a standing pig - and it's going to be on discount [12:12] reminds me of the floating pig, pink floyd used on some of there concerts. [12:12] http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00B5S356C/ doesn't look like it would float [12:13] ohwell. [12:13] penguin42: float, or fly? :) [12:13] :) [12:14] MartijnVdS: Ah well yes, perhaps it delivers itself [12:15] also, the benefit of a nexus is you get good android updates, unlike an unsupported tablet, you may never get android updates ever. [12:15] s/may/certainly/ [12:15] yes. [12:20] damn, Tesco had an offer on for Asus Memopads at #69 - that I would have bought - all out of stock [12:34] DJones: my sister and her SO have got Amazon Kindle tablets for xmas, they aren't techy, but seem very happy with them. [12:35] there's also the "May Day" button in the kindle to think of [12:35] Someone amusingly posted about the difference between the Apple iPad advert and the Amazon Kindle adverts.. [12:35] the iPad advert shows someone pressing a couple of buttons and sending a video to the TV easily. The kindle advert shows someone needing help doing that and having to call may day to do it ☻ [12:36] popey: Thanks, by choice I think I'll suggest the cheaper N7 [12:36] The new 2013 N7? [12:43] Yes [12:44] It'll make things easier for me giving any support, I can talk her through things using mine as an example & to check exactly what each screen should show [12:46] I've got an N7, my wife has, mother-in-law has, so plenty of people to give advice rather than trying to explain something on a Kindle/Hudl etc withg a different UI that I don't know [12:51] yeah, wise [13:15] does hudl have a different ui? [13:18] just saw people rushing into selfridges in the sale. every single person of the first 250or so rushing through the door was oriental/japanese. why's that? [13:19] only tourists are first in queue for sales? japanese national sport? [13:20] I think the hudl has a 'tesco' overlay above the android os [13:20] kindle ui is terrible [13:21] popey: Must admit, I'm quite tempted to have a look at the dual booting for Android/Ubuntu Touch thats been announced, need to read up a bit more to see whether its N7 2013 compatible or just original N7 first [13:58] what the heck. did a search on a tame topic on the kobo site and got a page full of smut [14:05] foobarry: Just don't search for vampire books, they pretty much all seem to 'erotic novels', you don't get vampires = nasty, scary things anymore [14:07] it wasn't even romance/erotic novels [14:07] it was pornographic content [14:08] doo de doo de doo [14:10] * neuro is trying to build up willpower to tidy up and move old telly out of the way before going to currys to collect new one [14:10] and not to sit and watch the celtic game at 3 :P [14:11] * foobarry was unwell in the night and moping around at home sans family [14:12] arggh man utd just scored [14:13] ha ha [14:21] 13:15 does hudl have a different ui? [14:21] no [14:22] it's just stock android with some tesco apps preloaded, iirc [14:22] ah, good === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [14:38] hk everytime i try wireless cracking on my own network..it never works:) [14:39] tried with 3 different wireless cards and somehow gets nowhere! [14:40] urgh holidays are a pain..tesco shuts at 7;/ [14:47] cracking WPA2? [14:50] mapps, depends on the wireless cards you're using [15:48] yea [15:48] foobarry, trying to [15:48] but only on my own network just for interest [17:12] * SuperEngineer is rather impressed with the workings of Synaptic - tried Choqok twitter client - authorises ok [despite what it says in software Centre Centre comments] - but doesn't work in any other way... [17:13] ...so decided to remove it - found it installed a load of kde stuff! Darn! went to Synaptic, searched for all "kde" under installed & marked all [execpt those which were not relevent... [17:14] ..on hitting "apply it removed some selected entries and then carried on - those were indeed wanted packages [¬ kde} - impressed! [17:16] [all that was needed after was to remove .kde & run spt- autoclean - system back to normal - :) [17:16] *apt [17:18] SuperEngineer: Easiest way to get all the kde stuff is to install the kubuntu-desktop package [17:19] penguin42: but I wanted the reverse. i.e. not to have it [17:20] [choqok installed it - choqok doesn't work - kde therefore an extra weight to carry [17:21] ah [17:21] SuperEngineer: The trick to doing that is rather jenga like - you need to find a library that all the KDE stuff and nothing else depends on and then remove that [17:21] ...disk space back to exactly where it was pre-choqok - a good measure of effective uninstall in this case [17:23] ...synaptic found it for me - and unmarked the entries I added to "completely remove" for me [17:24] sometimes success is accidental ;) [17:27] nice :-) [17:49] Evening peeps :) [17:50] hey bigcalm [17:50] 0/ [17:51] I should not be let near pringles [17:52] As an adult, nobody can tell me 'no' or 'enough' [17:54] they're reasonably safe with me; it's chocolate I have the problem with [17:55] but as adults we *can* shout STOP - naughty,nayghty - now go drink a pint of salt water [...& then we can all laugh thinking of the result] [17:55] * bigcalm shudders [18:03] Any suggestions for a decent blu-ray player with iPlayer/YouTube and the like? === marlinc_ is now known as Marlinc [18:52] oh gods he's waving goodbye to iggle piggle [19:40] those "smart" blu-ray players are actually rubbish [19:40] get one of those chrome dongle things instead [19:58] the smart blu-ray players use the same software stack from the smart TVs [19:58] market reviews say samsung does it best, but don't expect long-term support. lovefilm got yanked from my samsung a couple of months ago [19:58] any idea why? [19:59] maintenance nightmare [19:59] smart TVs are in the same place mobile phones were before ios/android, from a fragmentation perspective. no reliable API on all devices, so lots of per-manufacturer-model-series apps to write [20:00] aren't some of the TVs android? [20:00] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_smart_TV_platforms_and_middleware_software [20:00] penguin42, i don't remember any android TVs in the wild [20:00] LG will start shipping WebOS TVs next year [20:01] hang on - you mean what was on HPs tablets? [20:01] yes [20:01] ok, weird choice [20:01] replacing their NetCast stack [20:04] i often switch my TV on to an update [20:05] and once Samsung decide this range are ready to be ditched, likely things will slowly stop functioning (like even the iPlayer) [20:06] wasn't there a case about that a while ago - the whole question of removing a feature you bought it for [20:09] oh it was a regional issue, if i just let myself connect direct over my Guernsey internet connection, i couldn't get Channel 4's 4oD application. However if I proxy'd via England it'd offer it to me fine [20:10] i'm not sure if it's been solved yet, but months later i did get a message saying it was being worked on (after many fob-off replies) [20:10] in fairness i'm not even after using it, it was just that i should be able to and i get a bit moany if us Channel Islanders are treated differently :) [20:29] i used to think the film wild geese was amazing when i was a kid. just watched it, its rubbish. [20:30] where eagles dare is still good though [20:31] see, how on earth is this fair; http://www.meteoalarm.eu/maps/EU-131226.gif [20:31] Evening all. [21:01] happy boxing day mr. popey [21:23] Hey daftykins, thanks, how was your xmas? [21:26] good thank you :) just a small affair at my parents house with my grandma too [21:26] 92 she is now - shared tales of her evacuation time during WW2 [21:28] popey: and yours? :) [21:29] Yeah, usual. Ate too much [21:30] Got Sam a Scalextric which has been pretty much permanently on since setup. [21:31] which one popey ? [21:31] just the basic non-digital one [21:31] thats good memories getting made right there [21:32] :) [21:32] yeah, it was hilarious fun [21:32] the cars coming off and slamming into the cupboard happened quite a bit [21:32] has a cross-roads so Sam tries to time it to go over the crossroads to slam into my car [21:34] XD [21:34] wee destructive so-and-so! [21:35] I got some bluetooth headphones and discovered two bugs in ubuntu as a result ☻ [21:35] http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Tomy-AFX-Vertigo-Scalextric-Boxed-Slot-Car-Set-2x-BMW-cars-9m-track-Complete-/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/EfUAAOxyYYlRtOQ4/$%28KGrHqRHJE8FGTqt26muBRtOQ38Tg!~~60_35.JPG [21:35] i had that set as a kid [21:36] fancy. we had the figure-8 [21:37] :D [21:37] We couldn't afford the 8. All we had was the 4 and we considered ourselves lucky! [21:37] http://www.scalextric.com/shop/sets/c1284-scalextric-mclaren-mp4-12c-set/ [21:37] that's the one we got [21:38] YorkshireManSketch === marlinc_ is now known as marlinc [22:50] hi [23:04] hi sebsebseb [23:04] happy christmas etc [23:05] popey: yep Merry Christmas or Happy Boxing day? [23:09] ☻ [23:09] merry everyone [23:10] (after a beer or two?) [23:24] Hey folks, I've got nginx with php5-fpm running on a debian machine, periodically, php5 will fail producing 502 errors. The "solution" is to restart php5-fpm every time it fails. Can anyone help me to fix this properly? [23:25] the log files seem to be fairly useless, it actually looks like php5-fpm is still running, even though the webserver cant connect to it (resource temporarily unavailable, it says in the logs) [23:26] it's probably running out of sockets, or files, or memory, or something [23:26] \o/ [23:26] [25-Dec-2013 04:41:10] WARNING: [pool www] server reached pm.max_children setting (5), consider raising it [23:26] I do get that in the php logs from time to time, but its only a warning? [23:27] yeah well that is probably related [23:27] it's probably running out of everything [23:28] as for memory, there's 16GB+32GB swap, it ain't running out of memory. [23:28] php has limits that are unrelated to how much memory the hardware has [23:29] basically php is crap and without those limitations it will bring down the machine by using up all resources [23:29] the best way to fix this is stop using php [23:29] ali12341: already in the process of doing that, one of my sites is python based :) [23:36] raised pm.max_children, hopefully that'll solve it.