[07:00] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[08:28] <Kilos> hi psychicist Vince-0 
[08:28] <Vince-0> surp
[09:19]  * Kilos throws a left hook and a right uppercut
[09:19] <Kilos> and a mai geri for luck
[09:19] <Kilos> thats my bit for boxing day
[13:53] <Gotango> Hi guys. I live in a remote rural area of South Africa, away from fast internet access. I would like to replace my windows 7 laptop with Ubuntu 12.04 , is it possible if anyone can help me with a Ubuntu CD please ? 
[13:54] <Kilos> hi Gotango 
[13:54] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[13:54] <Gotango> Hi Kilos , thanks
[13:55] <Gotango> Can you help me please ?
[13:55] <Kilos> the channel is very quiet at the moment but lets see what we can do
[13:55] <Kilos> where are you?
[13:56] <Gotango> Okay , i'm in a town in the Western cape called Ceres
[13:56] <Gotango> The bandwith here is like dinosour age
[13:56] <Kilos> there are many ubuntu guys in the cape
[13:56] <Kilos> you using adsl?
[13:57] <Gotango> Nope , i live far out of town, i only got usb wireless modem on the mobile network here
[13:57] <Kilos> im in pta so not sure how far you are from the big centres
[13:58] <Kilos> aha same as me
[13:58] <Gotango> I dont know any ubuntu guys in Capetown though
[13:58] <Gotango> oh nice :)
[13:58] <Kilos> what isp are you using
[13:58] <Kilos> i have found telkom mobile the fastest and cheapest 
[13:58] <Gotango> Its a cell c usb stick
[13:59] <Kilos> are you far from capetown
[13:59] <Gotango> Yeah but cellc gives more data 
[14:00] <Gotango> Capetown is 3 hours drive away, i been there 4 years ago
[14:00] <Kilos> yeah they have a good special but cellc here works with the mtn tower that is only edge so not even 3g
[14:00] <Kilos> well are you patient?
[14:01] <Gotango> Yip , no 3G here only vodacom picks it up, but its too expensive
[14:01] <Gotango> Yes i am patient :)
[14:01] <Kilos> most of the uncapped guys arent here today
[14:01] <Gotango> Okay i will come here often , so i can catch them when they're back from holidays
[14:02] <Kilos> can you not stay here
[14:02] <Kilos> one never knows who pops in and when
[14:02] <Gotango> yeah , but i wont know them if they come in
[14:03] <Kilos> but most likely they all off till after new year
[14:03] <Kilos> man im here all the time
[14:03] <Kilos> im the greeter bot here
[14:03] <Gotango> lol thats good of you :)
[14:03] <Kilos> haha
[14:04] <Gotango> I will check other places aswell 
[14:04] <Kilos> there must be someone that still has 12.04 cds
[14:04] <Gotango> Thanks for your help :)
[14:04] <Kilos> you welcome
[14:05] <Gotango> I hope there is someone thats willing to send me a 12.04 cd
[14:05] <Kilos> there must be. im trying to think who would be the contact person there
[14:06] <Kilos> 12.02 was the last official cds we got i think
[14:06] <Kilos> superfly, you here?
[14:07] <Gotango> oh okay, but ubuntu closed the free shipping years ago
[14:07] <Kilos> yeah but as a loco we ordered every time till they stopped
[14:08] <Kilos> we ordered batches every release, thats why i say someone must still have some
[14:08] <Gotango> oh okay , that will be awesome :)
[14:08] <Kilos> thats apart from the shipit.com i think it was called
[14:09] <Gotango> Yes true
[14:09] <Kilos> just hang around . someone will answer hopefully
[14:10] <Kilos> there is some page with all the contact peeps on. i just dunno where
[14:10] <Gotango> I hope so , but its not that urgent though. I will keep on using this crappy windows till then
[14:11] <Kilos> actually what you can do as well is join our mailing list and ask there
[14:11] <Kilos> http://bit.ly/MCOujZ 
[14:12] <Kilos> might even be quicker that way because peeps always check their mails
[14:12] <Gotango> Okay thanks alot Kilos, i will check that out aswell
[14:12] <Kilos> np
[14:12] <Kilos> i just go fetch sheep from lands
[14:12] <Kilos> wbb
[14:13] <Gotango> lol , but your an awesome greeter :) keep it up
[14:13] <Kilos> lol ty
[14:14] <Gotango> Your welcome 
[14:30] <Kilos> hi oupateddie wb
[14:30] <Kilos> what did you break
[14:36] <charl_> good afternoon
[14:36] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[14:36]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[14:40] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_!
[14:40] <Kilos> hi charl_ how clever are you
[14:41] <Kilos> can you remember how to find the peeps that got the ubuntu cds?
[14:41] <charl_> ubuntu cds?
[14:41] <charl_> they used to ship them for free
[14:41] <charl_> i haven't made use of that service for a long time
[14:41] <Kilos> ya the last official ones
[14:41] <charl_> because now i just download the isos and write them on a usb flash drive
[14:42] <charl_> http://www.ubuntu.com/shipit
[14:42] <Kilos> no man our peeps here that distributed them
[14:42] <charl_> "After delivering millions of Ubuntu CDs to millions of new users, our ShipIt programme has finally run its course. While we can no longer deliver free CDs through the programme, it’s still easy to get Ubuntu. You can download Ubuntu for free from Ubuntu.com or you can buy a CD straight from the Canonical shop."
[14:42] <Kilos> shipit has been closed since 12.04 or before
[14:42] <Kilos> ai! ek sukkel darem
[14:43] <charl_> http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=976
[14:43] <charl_> it says here it costs 5 british pounds
[14:43] <Kilos> im talking about our peeps here that used to distribute those supplied to the loco
[14:44] <charl_> oh, sorry that i don't know about
[14:45] <Kilos> ok you forgiven
[14:45] <charl_> yeah i sit on the other side of the world i don't keep track of that stuff :)
[14:45] <Kilos> might be on our site
[14:47] <charl_> whow it's the shortest day about i think
[14:47] <charl_> it's almost dark
[14:50] <Kilos> Gotango, look if that still shows the guys that distribute
[14:50] <Kilos> http://ubuntu-za.org/get-ubuntu
[14:52] <Gotango> Kilos i found this channel there http://ubuntu-za.org/get-ubuntu :)
[14:52] <Kilos> lol look at the link above
[14:52] <Kilos> same i think
[14:53] <Gotango> lol yeah , that page pointed me here earlier
[14:53] <Kilos> haha
[14:54] <Gotango> :D
[14:54]  * oupateddie walks in and greets evferybody with a wave...
[14:54] <Kilos> isnt there somewhere in there that gives the distributors in each area
[14:54] <Kilos> oupateddie, wb
[14:55] <Kilos> i asked what you broke?
[14:55] <Gotango> I tried searching for the different areas there, but it gave me a blank page everytime
[14:56] <oupateddie> I trust all of yea had a luvely Xmas day... I had and I'm still so full...
[14:57] <Kilos> ya we all good those that managed to come here
[14:57] <Kilos> been very quiet
[14:57] <Gotango> If ubuntu wants to reach more users, they got to make some way to spread there OS's versions via cd, in shops. Most of the world dont have adsl or paypal kinda stuff
[14:58] <Kilos> we have um
[14:58] <Kilos> er
[14:58] <Kilos> hmm...
[14:58] <Gotango> Hi oupateddie, thanks i had a good xmas :)
[14:59] <Kilos> release parties and so on at certain shopping areas and so on where peeps are welcome to bring laptops and get the iso's
[14:59] <Kilos> but the guys all work so time is the killer
[14:59] <Vince-0> Canonical used to ship discs all over the world
[15:00] <Kilos> ya they stopped Vince-0 
[15:00] <Gotango> Yeah Kilos but those are just minor events
[15:00] <Kilos> the thing is Gotango everyone works so there isnt a marketing team
[15:01] <Kilos> ubuntu basically spreads by word of mouth
[15:01] <Gotango> It needs to be all the time availiable in book shops or music stores kinda places
[15:01] <oupateddie> Oops sorry I am using the laptop for this. I'm stil setting up IRTC for the various channels. My main PC is occupied by a young fellow who is playing games on the Internet.
[15:01] <Vince-0> there's a thing called a freedom toaster
[15:01] <Vince-0> but they're not widespread
[15:02] <oupateddie> Kilos whatever I have broken has been repaired and I'm running KDE and Unity on this machine. KDE as the default
[15:02] <Gotango> I know they must be very busy bunch. 
[15:02] <Kilos> Gotango, is in the sticks like me Vince-0 
[15:02] <Vince-0> http://www.shuttleworthfoundation.org/projects/the-freedom-toaster/
[15:02] <Kilos> the toaster are mainly in big centres
[15:03] <Kilos> varsities and so on
[15:03] <oupateddie> Gotango there are shops who are selling Ubuntu iso's for something like ZAR50 just to cover their costs and they are going well.
[15:04] <Gotango> If some people can start small business that produce versions of ubuntu and sells it in shops over the country that will be awesome :)
[15:04] <Vince-0> there will be someone in Stellenbosch
[15:04] <oupateddie> You then get a CD withthe ISO. I'm actually thinking of selling a Memory stick (4Gb) but load the ISO on it for free.
[15:04] <Gotango> Where are they oupateddie ?
[15:04] <oupateddie> There is one in Saldanha
[15:05] <oupateddie> Which I know of
[15:05] <Gotango> I wont mind paying R50 for an ubuntu cd, if its close to me at a shop
[15:05] <oupateddie> As I say I want to sell a mem stick with it on
[15:05] <Gotango> oh okay
[15:05] <Kilos> Gotango, you know about installing from usb stick hey?
[15:06] <oupateddie> I'd rather send you a 4GB mem stick with it for R80.00 which et you reuse the mem stick afterwards
[15:06] <oupateddie> Mem stick installation is the same as for a CD bar that you must just set the boot sequence at the boot up time\
[15:06] <Gotango> Nope i dont Kilos
[15:07] <Gotango> I will want a CD though
[15:07] <oupateddie> And most of the machines nowadays let you press F12 and select the boot device sequence
[15:07] <Kilos> you set your pc to boot from usb first and plug in a stick with the ubuntu iso on and it installs that way
[15:08] <Kilos> Gotango, do you know anyone close with a good internet connection?
[15:08] <Kilos> and uncapped of course
[15:08] <Kilos> even a internet cafe
[15:08] <Gotango> Not really Kilos
[15:09] <Kilos> eish]
[15:09] <Kilos> you like me
[15:09] <oupateddie> Gotango why would you want a CD?
[15:09] <Gotango> people in my town will ask like R200 to use their bandwidth
[15:09] <Kilos> he has bad internet
[15:10] <Kilos> eeek
[15:10] <Gotango> A CD is better for me i'm used to it, a Mcard could loose its data oupateddie
[15:10] <Kilos> what size cellc data bundle you use?
[15:10] <Kilos> no man usb flash drives work great
[15:11] <Gotango> Well i'm unemployed , so i can only afford 500MB a month of data
[15:11] <oupateddie> Wait my friend. Once you have Ubuntu installed you just copy the full ISO over to you machine. If you need it again just make a bootable USB againa
[15:12] <oupateddie> Gotango who is you service proveder?
[15:12] <Gotango> cellc
[15:12] <Kilos> ai! you in my kinda boat
[15:13] <oupateddie> What does 500 Mb cost you?
[15:13] <Gotango> I dont know 4GB sounds a bit much, i already got 3 Mcards
[15:13] <Gotango> About R80 oupateddie
[15:14] <Kilos> the iso for 12.04 works on a 2g stick
[15:15] <oupateddie> Guys, without advertising to much. Afrihost has a mobile data package which costs R145 p.m. and gives you 2 + 3 Gb. That gives you 5Gb per month
[15:15] <Gotango> Last month someone shipped a Mcard for me from Portugal took about 2 weeks
[15:15] <Gotango> yeah that sounds good Kilos
[15:15] <oupateddie> Kilos it works on a 1Gb stick as well. I have a 12.04 and 13.04 both on a 1Gb stick
[15:15] <oupateddie> That is two stcks
[15:16] <Gotango> Afrihost uses adsl oupateddie
[15:16] <Gotango> I dont have a landline
[15:16] <oupateddie> Gotango, I ship 4 Gb's now as they are the smallest I get and I charge R80 to load the ISO and mail it to you...
[15:16] <oupateddie> No my man they have wireless now I have an account wioth them
[15:17] <oupateddie> Afrihost is at this stage the cheapest in the broadband market to my mind
[15:17] <Kilos> they use mtn towers
[15:17] <Gotango> oh okay
[15:18] <Kilos> and mtn sucks most places
[15:18] <Gotango> mtn sucks everywhere lol
[15:18] <Kilos> 8ta is best when it comes to reliability
[15:18] <oupateddie> My one laptop is runnimg Afrihost on Wireless with a sim card which they issue.
[15:18] <Kilos> R149 for 2+1g
[15:18] <oupateddie> MTN is their branded partner
[15:19] <oupateddie> Well it's better than nothing and works quite well for my roamong laptop
[15:19] <oupateddie> Afrihost as I say is R145 for 2 + 3
[15:19] <Kilos> all depends on the local mtn tower capabilities
[15:20] <Gotango> I'm on prepaid though, contracts freaks me out lol
[15:20] <Kilos> they dont worry about upgrading rural areas to 3g
[15:20] <oupateddie> Kilos 8ta is not country wide yet. The West Coast is a no no on data at this stage
[15:20] <Kilos> so you sit on edge mostly
[15:20] <Kilos> aw that sucks
[15:20] <oupateddie> Gotango, Afrihost is not a contract. If you don't pay you don't have internet.
[15:21] <oupateddie> You just inform them to suspend your account if you can't pay
[15:21] <Kilos> man there must be someone that still has 12.04 original cds lying around
[15:21] <Gotango> oh understood oupateddie :)
[15:22] <oupateddie> Kilos my problem with the CD is that it scratches and then the CD is useess. I have a number of CD's which do not work.... I'm using them as desk clocks now
[15:22] <Gotango> I'm just used to when software breaks, i get the cd to reinstall it 
[15:22] <Kilos> lol
[15:22] <Gotango> lol oupateddie
[15:23] <Kilos> we will slowly ween you off windows ways of doing things
[15:23] <Kilos> my 8.10 cd still works
[15:23] <oupateddie> Gotango you make yourself a repair disk and you use that to repair you broken installation.
[15:23] <Kilos> they dont scratch. misuse and rough hands scratch them
[15:23] <Gotango> I keep the important ones locked up though, not laying around where cats can reach them :)
[15:24] <Gotango> haha Kilos 8.10 ? 
[15:24] <oupateddie> Question for Windows users. How do you get into a room. Do you climb through the Window? 
[15:24] <Kilos> from 2008
[15:25] <oupateddie> I have a 8.10, 9.04, 10.10, 11,04, 12.04 and 13.04 as well as 13.10 at this stage.... Pick one
[15:25] <Gotango> I like entering through the door lol
[15:25] <Kilos> ubuntu has 6 monthly releases on the 4th and 10th month
[15:25] <Kilos> haha you bad as me
[15:25] <oupateddie> Kilos I'm quite impressed with 13.10's speed.
[15:25] <Gotango> Yeah 8.10 is for dinosours Kilos
[15:25] <Kilos> yes fast hey
[15:26] <Kilos> i am a dino
[15:26] <oupateddie> So remove Windows and see the light with (k)Ubuntu
[15:26] <Kilos> im the ballie here
[15:26] <Kilos> kubuntu peeps have done a great job with 13.10
[15:26] <Kilos> installs here in 12 mins
[15:27] <oupateddie> Eish let me get going, I have to go make supper for the family...
[15:27] <Gotango> Well i got a 2009 laptop , i've been reading in ubuntu forums on possible versions that may work on it. I think 12.04 will just work, but 11.10 may work better too
[15:27] <oupateddie> See later
[15:27] <Kilos> ok
[15:28] <Gotango> Kubuntu , seems so featureless though :/
[15:28] <Kilos> specs Gotango ?
[15:28] <oupateddie> Gotango what is the spec of the lappy. Go for 12.04
[15:28] <Kilos> no ways kde is great
[15:28] <oupateddie> It works on anything with 250Mb ram and more.
[15:28] <Kilos> 12.04 is still supported for a year and 4 months
[15:29] <Gotango> My lappy got 1GB ram , 2.6 Ghz cpu 
[15:29] <Kilos> more ram the better
[15:29] <Kilos> that will run 12.04 fine
[15:29] <Gotango> Thats good to know
[15:30] <Gotango> I'm just worried about the graphics card, 
[15:30] <Kilos> ive used 12.04 on 1.7g cpu and 640m ram
[15:30] <Gotango> I read AMD ATI is not well supported by ubuntu
[15:30] <Kilos> what graphics?
[15:30] <Kilos> ai!
[15:30] <Kilos> they work
[15:31] <Gotango> Thats great Kilos, i just dont want it to break on me
[15:31] <Kilos> once installed you get the option to look for additional drivers and normally ubuntu finds the right one
[15:31] <Gotango> Thats why i will want a virual CD thing 
[15:31] <Kilos> 12.04 is very stable at the moment
[15:32] <Kilos> all bugs been sorted
[15:32] <Gotango> I hope it can find the drivers for this lappy 
[15:32] <Gotango> Thats good :)
[15:32] <Gotango> The more stable the better
[15:34] <Kilos> i run both unity and kde on here with 12.04
[15:34] <Kilos> but keep your eyes open for bigger ram
[15:35] <Kilos> ubuntu loves ram
[15:35] <Kilos> just with extra 500m ram you see the diffs in speed
[15:35] <Gotango> Oh so ubuntu is not that good on memory management
[15:36] <Kilos> it uses more than windows in my opinion 
[15:36] <Kilos> but will work with 1g
[15:36] <Gotango> oh okay
[15:37] <Gotango> I dont have so many programs open , just 4 at most at any one time
[15:38] <Kilos> did you join the mailing list and ask if there is anyone nearish you with a cd?
[15:39] <Kilos> the cape is full of ubuntu peeps
[15:40] <Gotango> I dont know about mailing lists , will my mail be flooded all the time ?
[15:40] <Kilos> no man
[15:40] <Kilos> this is ubuntu 
[15:41] <Kilos> only help gets offered on out list
[15:41] <Gotango> I mean like will i be getting everyones mail at once
[15:42] <Gotango> oh okay
[15:42] <Gotango> I will join it, page still open
[15:42] <Kilos> most new ubuntu peeps ask on the list for help with probs, and others come here
[15:44] <Gotango> oh i see , thanks :)
[15:44] <Kilos> np
[15:44] <Kilos> hi Private_User hows things
[15:45] <Private_User> hey Kilos, all good, compliments of the season to you :)
[15:46] <Kilos> ty and same there
[15:48] <Private_User> ta
[17:06] <magespawn> good evening all
[17:20] <Kilos> hi magespawn howsit
[17:20] <magespawn> good and you Kilos?
[17:20] <Kilos> good ty
[17:21] <Kilos> do you remember who the guys were that got ubuntu cds from maia?
[17:21] <Kilos> it was somewhere but i cant remember who they were
[17:22] <Kilos> we looking for someone near to ceres
[17:23] <magespawn> not sure, maybe ask Maia?
[17:23] <Kilos> oh ya ty. i can mail her
[17:23] <magespawn> isn't Ceres close to Cape Town?
[17:24] <Kilos> not close i think he said
[17:25] <Kilos> 3 hours from ctr
[17:25] <Kilos> ct
[17:29] <Kilos> there, mailed maia
[17:35] <magespawn> well in my world that is close lol
[17:35] <Kilos> lol
[17:36] <magespawn> would take me about 15 hours
[17:36] <Kilos> they grow some fruit there i think
[17:37] <Kilos> that ceres fruit juice comes from there
[17:37] <Gotango> Hi magespawn. Thats if you got your own car and dont need to worry about petrol :)
[17:37] <Gotango> Yeah Kilos the juice is good here :)
[17:38] <Kilos> i still havent seen you mail to the list
[17:38] <Kilos> the guys that got the cds to supply peeps are all on the mailing list
[17:39] <magespawn> Hi Gotango 
[17:39] <Gotango> lol i dont know how it works, i registered already though
[17:39] <magespawn> you the one looking for discs?
[17:39] <Kilos> Gotango, magespawn is one of us but in hluhluwe
[17:39] <Gotango> but dont wana be a problem for people thats enjoying there holiday
[17:40] <Kilos> they only read mail when they want to and answer when they want to
[17:40] <Gotango> Yeah magespawn :)
[17:40] <Gotango> oh thats good Kilos 
[17:40] <magespawn> it is not a possibility to download it?
[17:41] <Kilos> nope less data than me magespawn 
[17:41] <magespawn> ouch
[17:41] <Kilos> and very bad net
[17:41] <Gotango> Will try to get the mail listing thing working soon
[17:41] <Kilos> magespawn, you have the list addy?
[17:41] <Gotango> Yeah the net sucks lol 
[17:42] <Kilos> i deleted most everything here today
[17:42] <Kilos> wait ill get it
[17:42] <magespawn> somewhere, not on this pc though
[17:43] <Kilos> Gotango, mail to 	ubuntu-za@lists.ubuntu.com
[17:43] <Kilos> i forget i hace contacts in evo
[17:44] <Kilos> have
[17:44] <Gotango> What do i mail there Kilos ?
[17:45] <Kilos> your request for a cd
[17:45] <Gotango> oh okay, but dunno what kinda info to add in the email
[17:46] <Kilos> just ask if anyone has a 12.04 cd lying around that they can post to you and explain your situation there shortly
[17:46] <Gotango> oh nice thanks Kilos, will do that :)
[17:47] <Kilos> say you in a rural area with bad net and very limited data as you are unemployed
[17:48] <Gotango> Aah good , that will work great 
[17:49] <magespawn> Whats the story Kilos ?
[17:49] <Kilos> what story magespawn ?
[17:49] <magespawn> in and out i see Gotango 
[17:50] <magespawn> no worries Kilos 
[17:50] <Gotango> lol magespawn , disconnected here :)
[17:50] <magespawn> what is your story Gotango ? if you don't mond sharing
[17:50] <magespawn> s/mond/mind
[17:52] <Gotango> What story you mean magespawn ? 
[17:52] <Gotango> life story 
[17:53] <magespawn> nah nothing so personal, just how did you find #ubuntu-za? why are you here? etc
[17:55] <Kilos> he has a 2.6g lappy with 1g ram
[17:55] <Kilos> so apart from the upgrades a later ubuntu could struggle some
[17:56] <Gotango> oh , i've been wanting to get into ubuntu since 2010 , but never got the time to get it though. Now that i'm unemployed and pissed off at windows lol , i wana get it and use it for web development
[17:56] <Kilos> what is web developement
[17:56] <Kilos> sites?
[17:56] <Gotango> I found this channel today while searching google on where to find a cd for ubuntu 12.04 , that i think will work on this lappy
[17:57] <superfly> a gig of RAM? you should be able to run anything current
[17:57] <magespawn> i see, i am currently using lubuntu on a very old laptop
[17:57] <magespawn> hey superfly 
[17:57] <Gotango> Yeah Kilos, i program in php, python and a bit of java , but only for the web
[17:58] <Kilos> cool
[17:58] <magespawn> and this one boots faster than my boses brand new lenovo with win8
[17:58] <Kilos> superfly, is a python master
[17:58] <Gotango> lubuntu is a bit featureless for me though and what i wana do magespawn
[17:59] <magespawn> i tend to like starting with nothing then add what i need
[17:59] <Gotango> oh thats nice Kilos 
[17:59] <Gotango> I'm sure he is :)
[17:59] <Kilos> hes been programming for long time
[17:59] <magespawn> and like i say really old laptop
[18:00] <Kilos> one of our old brains here
[18:00] <Gotango> Thats good Kilos, i just did it programming as a hobby , but now forced to make it into a fulltime job
[18:00] <superfly> I've got Kubuntu 13.10 installed on a USB drive running on a laptop with 512 megs of RAM
[18:01] <Gotango> I'm sure it is magespawn 
[18:01] <superfly> apart from the occasional slow down when something starts up, it's actually pretty smooth, I've been quite impressed
[18:02] <Kilos> whew thats min ram superfly 
[18:02] <Gotango> Thats great superfly, but the problem is that ubuntu will have many hardware issues with different makes of lappies
[18:02] <Kilos> but lappys seem to outperform desktop pcs
[18:02] <superfly> Gotango: that's hardly the case with anything from about 12.04 onwards
[18:03] <superfly> my netbook worked 100% out of the box, including suspend and the webcam
[18:05] <Kilos> oh Gotango superfly is also a kde expert. he will tell you about all the things kubuntu can do that unity cant
[18:05] <Gotango> great superfly , i prefer 12.04 aswell it seems to be very stable 
[18:06]  * superfly has children to put to bed, he might be back later
[18:08] <Gotango> thats awsome Kilos :)
[18:09] <Gotango> I hope Unity dont suck too much cpu. I heard its quite thirsty
[18:10] <Kilos> no man , unity works well in 12.04
[18:10] <Kilos> the later versions have lots of eye candy added
[18:10] <Gotango> I'm fine with Unity 2D , i dont need 3D window effects
[18:12] <Gotango> I remember now last year November i was looking for an Ubuntu CD lol , but got bored of looking quickly
[18:13] <Kilos> lol
[18:13] <Gotango> :D
[18:14] <Gotango> You do any programming Kilos
[18:14] <Kilos> nope im a mechanic and farmer person
[18:15] <Kilos> i get what help i need here and on google
[18:15] <Gotango> Thats great, you do good work there :)
[18:15] <Kilos> no man i just welcome new peeps
[18:16] <Gotango> haha and the greeter too ofcourse :)
[18:16] <magespawn> i think Gotango  was referring to the mechanic and farmer statement
[18:16] <Kilos> hehe yeah
[18:16] <Kilos> i dont work anymore Gotango 
[18:17] <Kilos> im a crashed ballie
[18:17] <Gotango> oh thats what you meant by we being twins lol
[18:17] <Kilos> yeah
[18:18] <Gotango> Yeah its tough but rewarding at the same time
[18:18] <Gotango> We just gotta hope for the best
[18:18] <Kilos> i only started with pcs about 2006 or 7
[18:21] <Gotango> I had a big grey tube monitor pc with a big black case in 2006. but it ran at 3.2 Ghz and had 4GB ram. Had to sell it to pay rent in Capetown 
[18:21] <Kilos> eish
[18:23] <Gotango> I had to format all my data on the HHD , all my 5 years of previous hobby programming gone to waste. Didnt have time to get a new drive, was sad for me but that software would be outdated today
[18:25] <Kilos> eina
[18:25] <Gotango> lol , i'm over it now :)
[18:26] <Kilos> good
[18:29] <Kilos> falling down is only bad if you cant get up and try again hey
[18:30] <Gotango> yeah so true , thanks god for legs :)
[18:31] <Kilos> the lappy has a dvdrom in hey?
[18:32] <Gotango> yeah i does, it does'nt wana write cd's though lol only dvds
[18:33] <Kilos> if no one comes up with a cd ill send you a remastersys cd
[18:33] <Gotango> oh wow thats kind of you Kilos :)
[18:34] <superfly> Gotango: where are you based?
[18:34] <Kilos> got most of the packages upgraded and installed. you just gotta be patient till someone will go post it for me
[18:34] <Gotango> I'm not in a hurry though, I wana send the mailing list when people are back from holidays
[18:35] <Gotango> I'm from Ceres superfly, its in the Western Cape
[18:35] <Gotango> oh okay i understand Kilos
[18:35] <superfly> Gotango: I know where Ceres is, I've been there
[18:36] <Gotango> nice superfly , i guess you came for the snow ?
[18:37] <superfly> Gotango: no, actually went hiking in the area
[18:37] <superfly> (though, yes, that's what most people visit Ceres for)
[18:38] <Gotango> oh yeah some great hiking too superfly , mostly tourists do it though , i didnt do it myself 
[18:38] <superfly> was just once, a long time ago
[18:39] <superfly> in the mean time I graduated, got a job, a wife, two kids and a couple of pets. now life is too busy to go hiking ;-)
[18:39] <Kilos> lol
[18:40] <superfly> plus some open source projects... keeps you out of trouble
[18:40] <Gotango> lol superfly :)
[18:41] <Gotango> Yeah good distractions 
[18:41] <superfly> by the way, 5 days left on the current humblebundle.com
[18:43] <magespawn> thats the way of life sometimes superfly
[18:43] <superfly> magespawn: wouldn't swap it for the world
[18:44] <magespawn> indeed just would like about 4 hours per day extra
[18:44] <Kilos> lol
[18:45] <magespawn> and as the offspring get older you do get some of your time back
[18:45] <Kilos> the older you get the shorter the days get. so learn now to stretch them
[18:46] <magespawn> daily time that is
[18:48] <magespawn> Gotango, maybe some sort of external or online storage would prevent that data loss happening again
[18:48] <magespawn> ?
[18:49] <magespawn> superfly now is the free time of my year, kids are up with grandparents in klerksdorp
[18:51] <Gotango> lol magespawn, lucky i got a backup HHD now :)
[18:51] <Gotango> Plus a bunch of dvd's i keep data on
[18:52] <Gotango> I dunno , cloud hosting wont fit me that well in my current state , maybe in the future 
[18:54] <magespawn> indeed, i tend to try and keep data on separate storage, i like trying out different os's and almost always do a clean install
[18:57] <Gotango> Thats the way to do it :)
[19:23] <Kilos> bed time for ballies. night all. sleep tight
[19:23] <Kilos> see you tomorrow
[19:23] <magespawn> good night Kilos 
[19:23] <Kilos> keep well magespawn 
[19:24] <Gotango> take care Kilos Thanks for the help :)
[19:24] <Kilos> you welcome Gotango 
[19:24] <Kilos> wasnt much
[20:43] <magespawn> right, bed time, good night all