=== FourDollars_ is now known as FourDollars === CyberJacob|Away is now known as CyberJacob === marlinc_ is now known as Marlinc [16:32] marcoceppi: ping === mattgriffin1 is now known as mattgriffin [16:33] mattgriffin: pong [16:35] hi marcoceppi. i found a bad link at https://jujucharms.com/precise/mysql-31/#bws-features (well all "Features" pages). which project should I use to file the bug? [16:35] juju-gui? [16:35] mattgriffin: yes, that's juju-gui [16:35] marcoceppi: thanks! [16:38] mattgriffin: you mean the docs link on that features page? [16:39] rick_h_: aye. pad.lv/1264546 [16:39] mattgriffin: cool, updated #1257878 which is really what this is about [16:39] <_mup_> Bug #1257878: Revise charm feature bullets [16:40] mattgriffin: thanks for the catch. [16:40] rick_h_: np [18:38] hello! Is there a document that describes how to make changes to a charm and try them out (without destroying anything) ? [18:48] manjiri: https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/authors-charm-store.html walks through some of the teminology and has a section for submitting a fix which would be close to what you mean [18:51] thanks for the response. I have a local env in which I am trying make small changes to the sample charm (vanilla) as a learning exercise. E.g. what is a "peer" relation. [18:52] manjiri: a peer relation is between units of a service. You can read some notes in http://blog.labix.org/2013/06/25/the-heart-of-juju [18:53] rick_h: this is my first time using IRC. Please pardon errors in IRC usage. [18:53] manjiri: fine here :) [18:55] rick_h: If I make a change to metadata.yaml, what is the next step that will allow me to see what that change does? upgrade-charm? [18:56] manjiri: I've always just destroyed the deployed one and redeploy with --upgrade flag to skip the cache and pick up the changes [18:59] rick_h: destroy-service followed by deploy --upgrade? Is there a cheatsheet that talks about this kinds of things? A juju developers jumpstart guide? [19:02] manjiri: hmm, looking around at the docs and looks like this is a weak point in the iterative approach. https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/authors-charm-writing.html gets you started and walks through destroy https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/charms-destroy.html [19:02] the --upgrade on the next deploy is a thing I picked up because of hitting the local cache issue [19:04] rick_h: thanks for the information. i wanted to make sure that I am not wasting time with try-this-try-that when I could have been referring to a doc. Trial-n-error is not a bad way to learn something. Just slower, at times. Thanks for your help. [19:11] manjiri: np, it's a little slow around here due to the holidays, but be patient and we're happy to help with things === sidnei` is now known as sidnei