[00:16] <diddledan> ali12341: do you prefer python or ruby (rails?) based sites or some other language?
[00:17] <diddledan> I been looking at expressjs and nodejs - it's intriguing
[00:18] <diddledan> I've primarily used php on the backend though so it's something new
[00:18] <diddledan> in the past*
[00:18] <diddledan> in the past*
[00:18] <diddledan> erm scratch one of those
[00:19] <ali12341> ruby is too much like perl: the code is unreadable and unmaintainable
[00:20] <diddledan> yeah I can't work out what a ruby app is doing just by looking at the code
[00:22] <diddledan> probably because I don't understand "functional" design patterns (I always thought function referred to subroutines)
[00:22] <diddledan> I guess I'd have great difficulty understanding and coding for scala
[00:23] <ali12341> well the difference between a function and a subroutine is a function has a well defined mechanism for passing arguments
[00:23] <ali12341> this has nothing to do with functional programming, which is basically programming without variables
[00:23] <ali12341> but ruby is not a functional language
[00:24] <ali12341> not a pure functional language anyway
[00:24] <diddledan> it has functional semantics available though
[00:24] <diddledan> and it seems alot of rails stuff uses those
[00:24] <ali12341> not that i have seen
[00:24] <diddledan> hmm
[00:25] <diddledan> maybe I'm more confused about ruby than I ralised :-)
[00:26] <ali12341> all the callback stuff in javascript where you pass anonymous functions as arguments, that is very functional-style
[00:26] <ali12341> it makes the code unreadable, but in a different way to most ruby code
[00:28] <diddledan> I can read those javascript programs though
[00:28] <diddledan> sort of
[00:28] <diddledan> I can decipher their meaning
[00:29] <ali12341> yes, because javascript has C-like syntax
[00:30] <ali12341> where as ruby is more influenced by perl
[00:33] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/nmy9woyocg4pqje/IMG_20131227_003139.jpg
[00:33] <daftykins> om nom nom.
[00:33] <diddledan> daftykins: I've munched my way through the best-part of one of those this evening
[00:33] <daftykins> 8D
[00:33] <daftykins> wise choice sir
[03:52] <mapps> hm
[03:52] <mapps> my laptops making crazy noises;
[06:45] <wo0f> Morning team
[06:46] <MartijnVdS> \o
[06:59] <mapps> morning
[06:59] <mapps> why does my laptop make such crazy noises now;/
[07:00] <MartijnVdS> mapps: did you mistreat it?
[07:00] <mapps> for sure no
[07:00] <MartijnVdS> what *did* you do to it?
[07:00] <mapps> it was fine earlier..i left it then turned it back on
[07:00] <mapps> and suddenly weird noises
[07:00] <mapps> i was running centOS
[07:00] <MartijnVdS> have you tried turning it off and on again?
[07:00] <MartijnVdS> 8-)
[07:00] <mapps> yea
[07:00] <mapps> :D
[07:01] <mapps> and it just does the same =[
[07:01] <mapps> its really loud so i cant just ignore it
[07:01] <MartijnVdS> what kind of weird noises?
[07:01] <MartijnVdS> Fan? Disk?
[07:01] <mapps> definitely not hdd
[07:01] <mapps> hmm
[07:01] <mapps> im not sure could be fan
[07:01] <mapps> iuts very loud and odd..never heard it before
[07:02] <MartijnVdS> can you describe it?
[07:02] <MartijnVdS> (or record it with your phone and put it online somehwere?)
[07:02] <mapps> yes
[07:02] <mapps> i will record it:D
[07:17] <mapps> MartijnVdS,  https://soundcloud.com/mapito/pc
[07:17] <mapps> thats a recording of it
[07:18] <MartijnVdS> that sounds like a helicopter almost..
[07:19] <MartijnVdS> which would make it the fan
[07:19] <mapps> aha
[07:19] <mapps> yea
[07:19] <mapps> its  noisy eh
[07:19] <mapps> so you think th fans broken?
[07:19] <MartijnVdS> or something got in it
[07:19] <mapps> hm
[07:20] <MartijnVdS> (maybe.. something hit the fan? :P)
[07:20] <mapps> its a laptop
[07:20] <mapps> i dunno what it could be if not the fan
[07:20] <mapps> maybe i should take it apart?
[07:20] <MartijnVdS> the sound card :)
[07:20] <MartijnVdS> try plugging something into the headphone port
[07:21] <mapps> but i muted the volume
[07:21] <mapps> and still carried on
[07:21] <MartijnVdS> that could happen if the chip is really fried though
[07:21] <mapps> aha
[09:42] <wo0f> mapps: some thing stuck in your fan?
[10:03] <brobostigon> good morning boys and girls.
[10:34] <MartijnVdS> \o
[10:38] <foobarry> o/
[10:48] <foobarry> wife is out with kids today, so i'm seeing how much of a hawker hurricane model i can build before she gets back
[10:50] <popey> we got invited to the pub for lunch \o/
[10:53] <DJones> Today is the day the holidays really start, Christmas Eve still involves running round like lunatics collecting/delivering things, Christmas day with both sets of parents, boxing day with with wifes family, aunts, uncles, cousins etc, Today...Rest (apart from Physio appointment at hospital)
[10:53] <TwistedLucidity> So...rest with a dash of agony.
[10:54] <DJones> I'm expecting more of rest with lack of agony because there's nothing they help with
[10:54]  * popey is busily filing bugs in ubuntu
[10:55] <foobarry> yesterday was possibly the first boxing day i've spent alone in my life :(
[10:55] <DJones> Catching up on open all hours before cooking breakfast
[10:56] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: Lots of time to Hawker Hurricane though
[10:56] <TwistedLucidity> *me is meant to be tidying up.
[10:56]  * TwistedLucidity is meant to be tidying up.
[10:56] <foobarry> yes, TwistedLucidity although didn't start getting my act together until 4pm, as i was unwell (reason for being alone)
[10:56]  * TwistedLucidity is actually watching the telly
[10:56] <foobarry> was dr who any good?
[10:57] <DJones> No
[10:57] <foobarry> might watch it later
[10:57] <foobarry> oh
[10:57] <foobarry> poo
[10:57] <MartijnVdS> TwistedLucidity: what's on?
[10:57] <foobarry> was it worse than the other chrimbo ones?
[10:57] <DJones> I thought it was junk
[10:57] <TwistedLucidity> Dunno, watching recorded (to avoid adverts).
[10:57] <MartijnVdS> ah, the big fat quiz? ;)
[10:58] <TwistedLucidity> Pfft. Actually it's the history of Dr Who thingy. So far it's way better than the actual Dr. Who episode.
[10:58] <foobarry> oh no
[10:58] <MartijnVdS> that has ads?
[10:58] <foobarry> even if dr who fans think it was junk i might not bother
[10:59] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: it wasn't junk, but it wasn't the best episode either
[10:59] <foobarry> big fat quiz seems to involve people acting like tenagers and drawing willies on their answers etc
[10:59] <TwistedLucidity> MartijnVdS: Well, as it's BBC it has no ads. But still recorded.
[10:59] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: well, it's hosted by Jimmy Carr
[11:00] <foobarry> who is an eejit
[11:00] <foobarry> jimmy carr's 3 scripted jokes at the start of 8 out of 10 cats episodes are worse "jokes" ever
[11:00] <foobarry> *worst
[11:02] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: Dara Ó Briain and Richard Ayoade were the voice(s) of reason 8-)
[11:02] <foobarry> nice accents
[11:02] <foobarry> up there , not the people
[11:03] <popey> I like Richard Ayoade
[11:03] <foobarry> did they also have 1) a stupid person 2) a flamboyantly gay person to make rude jokes?
[11:03] <popey> no
[11:03] <popey> Neither
[11:03] <foobarry> popey: as do i, except on gadget man, where he clearly doesn't want to be there
[11:03] <popey> only seen one of those
[11:04] <foobarry> there was one with stephen mangan, who also didn't want to be there
[11:04] <MartijnVdS> I liked him as Dirk Gently
[11:05] <foobarry> it had as much enthusiasm as if there were doing it for community service
[11:05] <foobarry> me too MartijnVdS
[11:05] <TwistedLucidity> Anyone got 4od working? Or it is just buggered on GNU/Linux these days?
[11:05] <foobarry> sudo apt-get install hal hal-info
[11:06] <foobarry> on precise.
[11:06] <popey> I am annoyed that 4oD broke on ipad
[11:06] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: why?!
[11:06] <popey> they force an update which you can't install because it needs ios 7
[11:06] <foobarry> MartijnVdS: for flash drm purposes
[11:06] <popey> flash depends on hal for the drm bits
[11:06] <foobarry> to get 40d working
[11:06] <popey> same for google play video
[11:06] <foobarry> had a year of no 4od until i discovered it
[11:06] <foobarry> also no worky on rooted tablets
[11:06] <popey> aq discovered this and blogged about it a year or so back
[11:07] <foobarry> although there must be a way to make it think it isn;t rooted
[11:07] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: hal and hal-info? I'll give that a punt. On the desktop I get a DRM failure, on this lappy sod all happens - just get the spinner.
[11:07] <foobarry> yep, thats when i discovered. the weird thing was the first series of fresh meat worked, and the second didn't
[11:08] <foobarry> windy out
[11:08] <TwistedLucidity> Hmm...hal has no installation candidate.
[11:09] <foobarry> ubuntu version TwistedLucidity ?
[11:09] <TwistedLucidity> Kubuntu 13.10, just trying to see where it's gone
[11:09] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[11:09] <TwistedLucidity> Ah, hal-info replaces it
[11:10] <foobarry> does hal info do anything?
[11:10] <foobarry> not sure if this all works still on 13.10
[11:11] <TwistedLucidity> Well, it doesn't seem to have helped. :-(
[11:12] <TwistedLucidity> Ho hum. Other channels are available. iPlayer works and that, to me, just proves how incompetent the other channels are.
[11:13] <foobarry> its all a bit rubbish
[11:13] <foobarry> somebody should have a solution for 13.10 or thats a fail
[11:13] <TwistedLucidity> It's enough to drive one towards...unlicensed provenders of audiovisual entertainments
[11:14] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: I've not had 4od work for ages, didn't work on 13.04 either.
[11:14] <TwistedLucidity> I blaming 4od and Adobe, not GNU/Linux
[11:15] <popey> i have hal and hal-info installed, and it doesnt work
[11:16] <foobarry> spinny thing.
[11:16] <foobarry> 12.04
[11:16] <foobarry> looks broke
[11:16] <foobarry> used to work
[11:16] <popey> http://imgur.com/nyOkVts
[11:16] <TwistedLucidity> Yeah, 4od did some DRM update bollocks that broke it. I've tried to get it running under WINE as well, not had much joy.
[11:17] <foobarry> muppets
[11:17] <foobarry> i guess my CM tablet won't work either then
[11:17] <foobarry> nor get-flash-videos scripts
[11:18] <TwistedLucidity> I'm doing some maintenance this Sunday, part of the issue might be an overly aggressive netwrok filter. Seems to break a few things.
[11:19] <TwistedLucidity> And by "maintenance" I mean "swearing with the possibility of tears"
[11:24] <foobarry> progress so far: http://ubuntuone.com/3tW4LP8JleCJgLFOqBEZhs i reckon i'll just be about to start airbrushing when mrs foobarry walks in
[11:26] <foobarry> i painted the cockpit too but you cant see that
[11:39] <bigcalm> I'm still looking for a blu-ray player with wifi and YouTube. Anybody know of a good brand/model? Looking to spend between £50 and £100
[11:39] <foobarry> nope
[11:39] <foobarry> does a pd3 do all those things?
[11:39] <foobarry> *ps3
[11:39] <bigcalm> No
[11:40] <bigcalm> It's not in the £50 to £100 bracket
[11:40] <foobarry> might be soon if ps4 is out?
[11:42] <bigcalm> http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=sr_nr_n_0?rh=n%3A560798%2Cn%3A492729011%2Ck%3Ablu-ray+player%2Cp_36%3A138895031%2Cp_72%3A419153031&keywords=blu-ray+player&ie=UTF8&qid=1388144530&rnid=560800
[11:43] <bigcalm> There is a lot to choose from. But I do not have experience of all of these brands
[11:44] <foobarry> dvdplayers etc seems to always have terrible ui and ux
[12:03] <foobarry> cause  for concern? http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines/facebook-app-requires-users-agree-to-be-monitored-by-microphone-at-any-time-without-their-permission
[12:04] <penguin42> is that just an app that *can* take audio ?
[12:06] <foobarry> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gmail.permissionmanager
[12:09] <shauno> yup penguin42.  fb messenger has voice calling (in the US at least). so the permission is to allow it to do so without having to ask for the mic every time
[12:09] <penguin42> which makes sense
[12:11] <shauno> I expect skype has exactly the same permission, but that doesn't seem anywhere near as alarmist
[12:12]  * penguin42 watches a particularly boring parcel tracking site (Hermes) - no locations, just things like 'Receipt at Depot' or 'Courier Received'
[12:13] <shauno> locations just tend to confuse me :/
[12:14] <shauno> I remember when I got my laptop delivered from china, it was 'pre-cleared' for customs in germany
[12:14] <shauno> so it kept showing up in germany while still en-route from asia
[12:15] <shauno> it went something like china, germany, kazakhstan, germany, poland, germany, ireland
[12:17] <popey> yeah, my thinkpad did the same journey
[12:19] <shauno> the other one that used to confuse me, was buying apple kit in the states.  I was about an hour away from Ontario, Canada.  So when things shipped from Ontario CA to Memphis TN, I was quite confused
[12:19] <shauno> eventually found out that apple's shipping depot was in Ontario, California
[12:21] <penguin42> ooh - it's arrived
[12:22] <penguin42> IP camera
[12:54] <bigcalm> For anybody wondering, I opted for this device: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00BIEFR0U
[13:02] <TwistedLucidity> Sony :(
[13:03] <TwistedLucidity> What's the state of BluRay on GNU/Linux? Still a crap shoot?
[13:14] <penguin42> bigcalm: Is the top really oddly sloped to stop you putting anything on it?
[13:15] <bigcalm> penguin42: that's what I'm thinking
[13:15] <penguin42> odd
[13:15] <bigcalm> It's going in a cabinet, so not much of a problem
[13:16] <penguin42> nod
[13:16]  * penguin42 wonders if it's something like the wifi antenna
[13:16] <gordonjcp> doubt it
[13:17] <gordonjcp> the wifi antenna would be a small piece of metal about the size of your pinkie finger
[13:22] <penguin42> gordonjcp: Yeh but I wondered if putting it at the front under the hump meant that you can't put something on top that blocks it
[13:22] <gordonjcp> ah, good point
[13:22] <gordonjcp> I can't remember where it is in the PS3 but the curvy top is just style for that
[14:19] <TwistedLucidity> Question: I can play audio from my phone to my PC easily using bluetooth. Is the reverse possible?
[14:19] <TwistedLucidity> i.e. can I use my phone like a BT headset?
[14:20] <gordonjcp> TwistedLucidity: possibly, you may need to install something on your phone though
[14:21] <TwistedLucidity> Hmm...maybe. Phone doesn't appear as a playback device in pavucontrol. Be cool it if worked, means I could listen to the movie whilst washing dishes.
[14:22] <shauno> there's nohands.sf.net which tries to do exactly that
[14:26] <TwistedLucidity> shauno: That's almost the thing, I was just hoping the phone would appear as an audio sink in Pulse.
[14:27] <TwistedLucidity> I think gordonjcp might be right, I might need to install something to allow the phone to do it.
[14:27] <TwistedLucidity> Not a big deal, was mostly curious (I have no BT headset you see, and dishes are boring)
[14:27] <shauno> ah, I had you the other way around; using the phone as the source
[14:27] <TwistedLucidity> shauno: Phone as source is easy, that works right away
[14:28] <shauno> to the headset or the laptop?
[14:28] <TwistedLucidity> To the lappy or to the desktop.
[14:29] <TwistedLucidity> Problem I have is, the lappy speakers aren't loud enough over the sound of dishes/water. So I was hoping to use my phone as a poor man's BT headset. Seems it's not going to be possible.
[14:35] <aquarius> anyone know of an app that can display the output of a shell script on my desktop background (or above it but forcibly below everything else), and which isn't conky?
[14:35] <gordonjcp> TwistedLucidity: how are you going to wash dishes and hold the phone up to your ear?
[14:36] <TwistedLucidity> Wired headset, phone in pocket
[14:36] <gordonjcp> why not plug the wired headset into the laptop?
[14:36] <gordonjcp> too short?
[14:36] <TwistedLucidity> Laptop is delibeately far away from the water!
[14:36] <shauno> I'd probably cheat and look at icecast or similar
[14:36] <gordonjcp> how about transferring some tunes across to your phone to listen to them?
[14:36] <gordonjcp> get spotify
[14:36] <TwistedLucidity> Movie is on iPlayer, got me thinking if the phone appeared as a sink.
[14:37] <shauno> there's 101 ways to stream music off the desktop, and BT has to be one of the more awkward
[14:37] <TwistedLucidity> Which is doesn't.
[14:37] <TwistedLucidity> s/is/it
[14:37] <gordonjcp> we wouldn't be geeks, if we didn't come up with hideously over-engineered solutions to non-problems
[14:37] <gordonjcp> pause the film
[14:37] <gordonjcp> watch it after you've done the dishes
[14:38] <TwistedLucidity> Or, sync playback on the phone and the lappy
[14:38] <TwistedLucidity> Thing is, I have the phone, I have the lappy. Just got me thinking was all.
[14:38] <shauno> or a long hose, and do the dishes infront of the TV :)
[14:38] <TwistedLucidity> Phone as an audio sink doesn't seem that daft to me.
[14:39] <TwistedLucidity> I shall find a podcast instead.
[14:39] <shauno> it doesn't, but getting the phone to pretend it's a headset instead of a handset is a bit .. messy
[14:39] <gordonjcp> If At First You Don't Succeed...
[14:39] <gordonjcp> ... find the most apocalyptically complicated way round the problem
[14:39] <TwistedLucidity> Get a bigger hammer
[14:40] <TwistedLucidity> If I knew where the external speakers were....
[14:40] <shauno> I'm fairly sure pulseaudio can stream to other computers.  I'd fine a client on the phone that can deal with that, and run over wifi instead of BT
[14:41] <TwistedLucidity> Yeah, it can. Had a quick look in the store and didn't see anything obvious.
[14:42] <TwistedLucidity> It's not a huge deal - was really just wondering was all.
[14:44] <penguin42> anyone CCTV camera stuff on Linux?
[14:44] <penguin42>  (insert missing word as desired)
[14:45] <shauno> I'll have a verb please carol
[14:46] <penguin42> using
[14:46] <penguin42> and don't call me carol
[14:47] <gordonjcp> no, but apparently tvheadend accepts feeds from IP cameras
[14:47] <penguin42> interesting, not heard of that one - zoneminder is the one I'd heard of
[14:48] <TwistedLucidity> Briefly played around with a webcam and "ZoneMinder". Nothing serious though
[14:48] <shauno> there's "motion" at the simpler end of the scale too
[14:49]  * penguin42 got http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B006OGLLOI/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[14:50] <penguin42> but have it plugged into ether (running via PoE)
[15:38] <foobarry> dr who rubbish
[15:38] <foobarry> forcedmyself to watch to the end.
[15:39] <foobarry> not sure whetehr to  carry on watching it
[15:39] <foobarry> in the new series
[15:46] <penguin42> never been any good since Tom Baker left....
[16:03] <shauno> oh I hate this bit.  I have to pick a new password because it'll expire while I'm on vacation.  So I have to choose a password now, and then not use it until the 7th
[16:04] <foobarry> then forget it
[16:05] <penguin42> yeh when I used to have to do that I'd try and remember to do it a week before holiday - the system we had would warn us repeatedly for a couple of weeks so we'd normally know
[16:06] <shauno> it's been nagging me all week, but I try not to change it over christmas, because if I break anything (which isn't rare), IT take their sweet time to respond over xmas
[16:10] <shauno> hopefully, one day they'll grant my request for a new email address.  my current one has an apostrophe in, which means I can break things just by looking at them
[16:14] <penguin42> perhaps your request didn't get to them because of ....
[16:15] <shauno> thatd be funnier if it hadn't already crossed my mind :)  I keep meaning to call them sometime and check
[16:15] <shauno> since I don't get the "new ticket" emails when I raise an issue, for the same reason
[16:17] <shauno> I mean, we're in Ireland .. you'd think they'd know how to handle o'surname
[16:17] <daftykins> :D
[16:17] <daftykins> gotta be honest, i'd ommit them ;)
[16:17] <daftykins> -m
[16:18] <shauno> oh I do.  everywhere
[16:18] <penguin42> I went to a talk by Theo T'so a few years ago where he recounted a load of things he broke for the same reason
[16:19] <shauno> it's quite annoying being someone else's litmus test
[16:20]  * penguin42 wonders if there is a similar looking Unicode character you can replace it by to break it in more interesting ways
[16:21] <shauno> this is where I like how organised the germans are.  everyone knows ü maps to ue.  sorted.
[16:22] <shauno> here, you show up with o', or heaven forbid, ó, and all hell breaks loose
[16:25] <shauno> my other stupid one was using £ in a password when they told we had to use symbols.  it turns out we have a US keymap at the login screen.
[16:28] <gordonjcp> heh
[16:29] <gordonjcp> we have some radio programming software that lets you program out-of-band frequencies by holding down shift while you type in the numbers
[16:29] <gordonjcp> this breaks horribly with non-US layouts
[16:30] <gordonjcp> particularly since *some* frequencies (ones without 2s or 3s in) work...
[16:31] <shauno> that reminds me of quake .. I can't remember if it was when it came to windows natively, or linux
[16:32] <shauno> but one of them started obeying the keymap.  so the console key was actually where ~ is, instead of where the US have it.  that threw me
[16:34] <daftykins> i always did find it odd that it said ~ but we'd hit `
[16:35] <shauno> I think that's why it hurt my head when ~ finally became ~
[16:36] <daftykins> i've not even seen that
[16:37] <shauno> glquake still does it for me
[16:38] <daftykins> err i thought Winamp was meant to stop being available?
[16:38] <daftykins> this isn't some evil fake site is it D:
[16:38] <daftykins> it's offering v5.666 for download! X|
[16:38] <daftykins> which sounds somewhat ominous
[16:44] <brobostigon> the matrix, itv4 9pm, :)
[17:09] <daftykins> i can't believe Max Payne 3 is 27GB
[17:09] <daftykins> huuuuuge game!
[17:17] <DJones> I guess it doesn't come on a cd then
[17:17] <penguin42> no, they use 3.5" floppies
[17:18] <DJones> That'll come in a suitcase then
[17:22] <daftykins> lmao
[17:23] <shauno> so this is a little silly.  the app for my lights has this 'geofence' jazz, so it turns my lights home if I enter the 'geofence' after sunset - and turns them off when I leave
[17:23] <shauno> unfortunately, I live quite close to work.  I can see my house from my office.  the lights are off
[17:24] <shauno> but when I go to make coffee, it takes me close enough that they come on
[17:24] <daftykins> hahaha
[17:24] <daftykins> can you make a video at all? that's greatly amusing to me
[17:25] <shauno> hm, good question
[17:30] <daftykins> but yeah that is seriously close
[17:32] <shauno> annoyingly, it's not as close as it should be.  there's a dual carriageway between us, so it's a 15 minute walk to the junction
[17:34] <daftykins> wow!
[18:05] <mapps> wo0f, i didnt think so..i turned it off and then turned it o and now its got that loud buzzing
[18:44] <foobarry> why is ewan mcgregor's acting so bad in ep I-III ?
[18:45] <MartijnVdS> because it's all in front of a green screne instead of real people?
[18:47] <foobarry> tbh everyone is bad  in it  so it could be the case
[18:47]  * MartijnVdS just went to see "Inside Llewyn Davis"
[18:47] <foobarry> even yoda is bad in it
[18:48] <foobarry> MartijnVdS: had to googlethat
[18:48] <MartijnVdS> interesting new Coen Brothers movie about a 60s folk singer.
[18:49] <foobarry> until last year i thought www.imdb.com was accessed as us.imdb.com, because when i accessed it in the 90s, my company used a US web proxy
[18:50] <foobarry> i never really thought about why it always appeared as us.imdb.com until then
[18:50] <MartijnVdS> 8-)
[18:51] <shauno> ours is in paris, so I keep getting youtube ads in foreignese
[18:53] <MartijnVdS> \o/ small company :)
[18:55] <zleap> anyone know about git ?
[18:55] <MartijnVdS> zleap: a bit
[18:55] <zleap> ok
[18:56] <zleap> i have my own repository,  which I can download (clone) to my local computer (desktop or pi) if I just want to pull down any changes do I use git pull another command rather than clone
[18:56] <MartijnVdS> git fetch
[18:56] <zleap> ok
[18:56] <MartijnVdS> well
[18:56] <MartijnVdS> pull= fetch + merge --ff-only
[18:56] <MartijnVdS> sort-of
[18:56] <zleap> so git fetch <url>
[18:56] <MartijnVdS> no
[18:56] <MartijnVdS> git fetch <name of remote>
[18:57] <MartijnVdS> defaults to 'origin'
[18:57] <zleap> ok
[18:57] <MartijnVdS> git remote for a lit
[18:57] <MartijnVdS> s
[18:57] <foobarry> tried guessing the measurements when making weet and sour sauce for one...didnt work
[18:57] <foobarry> hard to tell which ingredient  was lacking
[18:58] <Azelphur> Anyone here an IPv6 guru and feel like helping me get mine going (OpenWRT on Enta.net)?
[18:58] <Azelphur> It's supposed to be native on my ISP \o/
[19:00] <brobostigon> i think MartijnVdS is your man for that.
[19:00] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: what's up?
[19:00] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: well, I ticked the tickbox for IPv6 and it's not working (#usefulexplanations)
[19:00] <daftykins> XD
[19:00] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: you're on google plus right?
[19:00] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: first.. how does your ISP deliver its IPv6?
[19:00] <zleap> thanks
[19:00] <daftykins> Azelphur: do you have super fast tubes now?
[19:01] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: no idea
[19:01] <Azelphur> daftykins: yup
[19:01] <daftykins> how good? :)
[19:01] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: figure that out first ;) Do they do PPPoE? Have you enabled IPv6 on the PPP link?
[19:01] <Azelphur> daftykins: http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3190601159
[19:01] <zleap> so the output is something like From https://github.com/zleap/python-qrcode
[19:01] <zleap>  * branch            HEAD       -> FETCH_HEAD
[19:01] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: have you tried dhcpv6?
[19:01] <daftykins> hrmm not too shabby
[19:01] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: the standard login is PPPoE, and yes I believe I have, if you have google hangouts I can actually show you, which would probably be helpful
[19:01] <MartijnVdS> zleap: that means it fetched stuff
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: which version of Openwrt do you use?
[19:02] <Azelphur> trunk
[19:02] <Azelphur> (insert insanity wolf meme here)
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: so do I ;)
[19:02] <Azelphur> hehe
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: OK.. easiest is to do it in shell
[19:02] <Azelphur> ok
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: in /etc/config/network -> in the pppoe section, add
[19:03] <brobostigon> (insert cocktail name here)!
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: barrier breaker
[19:03] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: :)
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: 	option ipv6 '1'
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: then add a "wan6" interface:
[19:03] <Azelphur> I already have that, lemme pastebin what I have
[19:04] <zleap> is it -x or -X to enable x forwarding
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6647076/
[19:04] <zleap> for ssh
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: you need the 6relayd and odhcp6c packages
[19:04] <brobostigon> pastebinit :)
[19:04] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: http://pastebin.com/2y2r2sM6
[19:04] <shauno> zleap: -X is on, -x is off, I use -Y and I can't remember .. err .. why
[19:04] <zleap> ok thanks
[19:05] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: both those packages are now installed
[19:05] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: aha! you're trying to set up 2 PPPoE links, that won't work
[19:05] <Azelphur> oh
[19:05] <Azelphur> I thought that was what I was meant to do
[19:05] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: if you put the 'option ipv6 1' line in the 'interface wan' section
[19:05] <MartijnVdS> then leave the 'wan6' almost empty, except for what I pastebinned earlier
[19:06] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: nah, you set up one PPPoE connection to your ISP, which also negotiates v6 capability (together with ipv4), because you give it that flag
[19:07] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: then, you create an alias interface (wan6) that runs on top of that PPPoE link, and actually retrieves the IPv6 address/ranges
[19:07] <Azelphur> I see
[19:07] <Azelphur> how do I make the changes take effect?
[19:07] <Azelphur> I usually use the panel :x
[19:07] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: either reboot, or /etc/init.d/networking (restart or reload) but I don't know if reload works well in cases like this :)
[19:08] <Azelphur> ok, I'll reboot. brb :)
[19:10] <sebsebseb> hi zleap
[19:10] <zleap> hi
[19:10] <zleap> just working on something
[19:11] <sebsebseb> zleap: just saying hi :d
[19:13] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: no life it seems :(
[19:13] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: http://pastebin.com/pGdBvQ2K here's my config at current
[19:14] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: what does logread say? (don't forget to censor passwords ;))
[19:15] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: http://pastebin.com/aumUXpr6 no passwords in there that I can see :)
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: so it's not like my ISP. Surprise 8-)
[19:16] <Azelphur> haha
[19:16] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: http://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/uci/network6
[19:16] <Azelphur> \o/
[19:17] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: another option is dslite
[19:17] <Azelphur> o.O
[19:17] <MartijnVdS> "dual stack lite"
[19:17] <MartijnVdS> all explained in that page
[19:18] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: that's interesting, so my connection would be all IPv6 pretty much
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> nah dual-stack
[19:19] <Azelphur> dual-stack says IPv4 over IPv6 though
[19:19] <Azelphur> so essentially, the whole thing would be IPv6
[19:20] <MartijnVdS> No, it's not like that
[19:20] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: you've probably seend https://www.berrange.com/tags/enta/
[19:20] <Azelphur> aha, that looks like the business
[19:21] <Azelphur> looks like he doesn't even have a wan6? O.o
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> hmm
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: this is my /etc/config/network (trunk from last week, TP-Link WDR4300)
[19:22] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6647179/
[19:22] <Azelphur> looks like mine is similar
[19:23] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: you could try ifdown wan6; ifup wan6
[19:23] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: but if they don't do DHCPv6 but only static/manual configs, you need to do it manuall
[19:23] <MartijnVdS> y
[19:24] <Azelphur> yea, no luck with down/up
[19:26] <foobarry> i'mboycotting kfc after that terrible  ad
[19:29] <sebsebseb> foobarry: maybe should boycott places ike that anyway, since they give you dead animal to eat
[19:29] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: is this a case of not knowing how enta.nets ipv6 is setup? I could go hunting and find out
[19:29] <sebsebseb> foobarry: what advert by the way?
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: for me, yes. That blog post suggested it's all statically configured
[19:29] <Azelphur> I see
[19:30] <Azelphur> so if it was, I'd need to know what IPv6 address I'm supposed to configure?
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: if you know your range (a /56 according to that post), you're set
[19:30] <sebsebseb> wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwooooooooooooooooooooojjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjh
[19:30] <Azelphur> I see
[19:30] <Azelphur> so gotta find out my range
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: also, people talk about "ipv6@enta.net", so I'd just ask probably
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> - range
[19:30] <sebsebseb> fingrs on keyboard wasn't mant to send that in ^
[19:30] <Azelphur> righto
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> - does dhcpv6 work? If not, is there another auto-config option you can use? Which?
[19:31] <Azelphur> That's what I should ask them?
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: both those things yes
[19:31] <Azelphur> cool
[19:31] <Azelphur> righto, (I will actually get an answer, they have smart tech people)
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> small ISPs \o/
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> tech-savvy ISPs \o/ too (used to work at one..)
[19:37] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: statically allocated, I have to send an email to support to request it be activated on my line.
[19:37] <Azelphur> sent that off, await reply :)
[19:37] <daftykins> is PPPoE a pre-requisite for IPv6? can PPPoA do it?
[19:37] <MooDoo> evening
[19:37] <daftykins> hi MooDoo
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: It's PPP
[19:38] <daftykins> oh ok, encapsulation doesn't matter then
[19:38] <MartijnVdS> the point is that it needs to negotiate IPv6 LCP (so you get link-local addresses on both ends)
[19:38] <MartijnVdS> then you can do DHCPv6 or something else over that link
[19:39] <daftykins> just wondered since our ISP changed us to PPPoE for some reason
[19:39] <Azelphur> so yea, small adjourn until I get a reply from cs (shouldn't take long) they'll provide me with all the info apparently :)
[19:39] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[19:39] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: and then you can use all Google services over IPv6
[19:39] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: and facebook
[19:39] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: and geenstijl.nl/dumpert.nl 8-)
[19:40] <Azelphur> :D
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: and overheid.nl
[19:46] <brobostigon> taylorworld.me.uk :)
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> A world taylored to you? ;)
[19:46] <brobostigon> yep :)
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> ooh email from the photo place
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> getting this one at 40x60cm: https://plus.google.com/photos?pid=5957725622823250434&oid=100189567362844794281
[21:47] <gordonjcp> ffs, I can't believe some of the people on the news still going on about having power cuts
[21:47] <gordonjcp> there's this wifey on the news complaining that she had to spend Christmas with no power, with only a torch and some candles for light
[21:47] <gordonjcp> yeah, and the guys who work for the electricity company spent their Christmas climbing up poles in 60mph winds
[21:48] <gordonjcp> quit whining
[21:49] <gordonjcp> ... and this isn't ##electronics
[21:49] <penguin42> haha
[21:50] <gordonjcp> a friend of mine was talking to her mum, who had said she was going to the shops to buy extra milk "in case the power went off"
[21:51] <gordonjcp> why, what's the extra milk going to do?
[21:51] <gordonjcp> "well if the power's off the milk in the fridge might go off"
[21:51] <gordonjcp> won't it all go off at the same rate?
[21:51] <gordonjcp> "uh..."
[22:01] <DJones> Ewwh, just looking at links from the BBC 100 things I didn't know, http://www.cbsnews.com/news/french-kiss-finally-enters-french-dictionary/ ....... How on earth did they come up with the word "galocher" That sounds too much like a kids sweaty gym shoe
[22:03] <liam_> SSLSERVER gibba.nu 7000
[22:18] <ali12341> gordonjcp: why is ##electronics always sooooooo offtopic?
[22:18] <gordonjcp> ali12341: powercuts aren't terribly off-topic
[22:19] <ali12341> btw the milk won't all go off at the same rate
[22:19] <ali12341> unopened milk lasts much longer
[22:20] <HighHo> Just stick it outside if needed, cold enough.