| Kilos | morning all | 05:16 |
|---|---|---|
| Kilos | ohi ThatGraemeGuy | 06:33 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | morning :) | 06:33 |
| Kilos | :) | 06:33 |
| inetpro | good mornings | 06:56 |
| Kilos | morning inetpro hoe gaan dit daar | 07:19 |
| bduk1 | Morning everyone | 07:27 |
| Kilos | hi bduk1 | 07:47 |
| bduk1 | Hi Kilos hou jy ook bietjie vakansie? | 08:03 |
| Kilos | sigh | 09:08 |
| Gotango | Hey Kilos | 09:08 |
| Kilos | aha hi there | 09:08 |
| Kilos | Gotango, did you get the pm message | 09:09 |
| Gotango | Yes i did | 09:09 |
| Kilos | sorry about me popping in and out. this modem times out for some reason | 09:25 |
| Kilos | Gotango, once you have installed ubuntu you dont forget this channel hey. you install xchat and become a regular here | 10:02 |
| Gotango | No way! Kilos , I will always be here no matter what. I always had a love for ubuntu , even though i never used it :) | 10:08 |
| Kilos | good man | 10:08 |
| Gotango | Unless ubuntu dont wanna work on this lappy , i will be without a pc for a while | 10:09 |
| Kilos | you will most likely need some guidance in the beginning and then after you in the swing you can help other noobs | 10:09 |
| Kilos | it will | 10:09 |
| Kilos | you can boot from a cd and run it from there too | 10:10 |
| Gotango | Yep i loaded some pdf's off google , about installing ubuntu 12.04. Seems easy | 10:10 |
| Kilos | also you can install ubuntu alongside windows | 10:10 |
| Gotango | Aah i forgot about that option lol | 10:11 |
| Kilos | then you have both and can choose which one to boot from at startup | 10:11 |
| Gotango | They say its recommended to choose your own partition, but at first i will wana install it alongside windows and check where ubuntu spits out errors | 10:13 |
| Kilos | yeah | 10:14 |
| Gotango | I hope it picks up the drivers for the Gcard and cpu and other hardware. Those software are massive to download | 10:15 |
| Kilos | dont think negative man. it should just work | 10:15 |
| Kilos | even without specific graphics drivers it will still work 2d | 10:16 |
| Kilos | normally only for 3d it needs card specific drivers | 10:16 |
| Kilos | and for bit more speed | 10:16 |
| Gotango | I hope it works as expected :) | 10:17 |
| Kilos | also prepare for data use on upgrading. ubuntu isnt like windows that installs everything. | 10:20 |
| Kilos | you install then upgrade and can be a couple of hundred megs of upgrades | 10:20 |
| Gotango | Huh ? no i dont wana update anything. Just install the software i want. I want all automatic updates disabled | 10:21 |
| Gotango | If ubuntu automatically updates a bunch of worthless stuff without me being able to choose, then i'm gona stick to windows rather | 10:23 |
| Kilos | you cant man | 10:25 |
| Kilos | you can turn of updates but there is lots that needs upgrading after a new install | 10:25 |
| Kilos | every thing as part of the working os gets upgraded. like security features etc | 10:26 |
| Gotango | Such software should come with the OS and i should be able to choose if i wana update a certain program or not | 10:27 |
| Kilos | the cds were too small | 10:28 |
| Kilos | there are things you can uninstall before it gets to upgrading | 10:29 |
| Kilos | like thunderbird and gwibber | 10:29 |
| Kilos | but the stuff you use for work you install later | 10:29 |
| Gotango | I want ubuntu to install like a good little OS and then i wana go myself to the software center and choose the software i want. Things like Rythmbox should be already installed to play media | 10:31 |
| Kilos | yes man you do that but there are upgrades to the basic install | 10:33 |
| Gotango | The first thing i do when installing new software is to disable automatic updates. I hate those things | 10:33 |
| Kilos | dont compare linux to installing windows | 10:33 |
| Kilos | on windows yes, but linux needs them | 10:33 |
| Gotango | I know ubuntu is different than windows, but isnt there a way to add the software to a dvd and install the OS with all the basics in it | 10:35 |
| Gotango | I dont have Gigabytes of data on my isp, else i wouldve downloaded ubuntu by now | 10:35 |
| Kilos | the only way is to make a dvd with remastersys that gives you a copy of a running installation | 10:39 |
| Kilos | anyway get the cd and install it alongside. and see if everything works. then ill make a dvd of my os and send it | 10:40 |
| Gotango | But in the installation pdf tutorial it shows nothing about default software you have to download before ubuntu starts | 10:40 |
| Kilos | they all accept that one is permanently connected with adsl | 10:41 |
| Gotango | okay | 10:42 |
| Gotango | I'm not that impressed with ubuntu anymore, so dissapointed! | 10:43 |
| Kilos | ai! | 10:43 |
| Kilos | olnce you have used a fully upgraded one you will never go back to windows | 10:44 |
| Kilos | once | 10:44 |
| Gotango | I thought they cater for the little guy better than windows do, but sadly not | 10:44 |
| Gotango | Are you sure ? | 10:45 |
| Kilos | its only us mobile data users with min data that suffer | 10:46 |
| Kilos | you will see | 10:47 |
| Kilos | everything is better. if you were online at work or something we wouldnt even be having this discussion | 10:47 |
| Gotango | I got a second hand lappy, with no windows reboot disc. Windows have been running on this lappy for 3 years with no problems. I just want a backup of some kind of OS in case something happens to windows | 10:47 |
| Gotango | yeah , who cares about the little guy ? nobody lol | 10:48 |
| Gotango | Anyway how do you cram a remastersys into a dvd | 10:51 |
| Kilos | you remove everything that makes it over 4g | 10:51 |
| Kilos | but remastersys has also stopped. so from 12.04 there aint that option anymore | 10:52 |
| Gotango | Oh okay | 10:52 |
| Kilos | but even with a remastersys install you upgrade. just not so much | 10:54 |
| Kilos | maybe 20 or 40 meg | 10:54 |
| Kilos | you should've done the downloads and installs before you lost the job | 10:56 |
| Gotango | It takes me around 7 hours to download anything close to 100MB here . So if the upgrade stuff is smaller than that i will be happy | 10:56 |
| Kilos | then it was work internet | 10:56 |
| Kilos | yes it will be with a remastersys dvd | 10:57 |
| Gotango | haha yeah , stupid ass i was :D | 10:57 |
| Gotango | Now i'm in a hole i cant get out lol | 10:58 |
| Kilos | you will man. patience | 10:59 |
| Gotango | Well this windows has been messing for a few weeks. I click on a video and it opens it as a text file lol . No matter how i reset the file association it keeps doing that. So i need a new OS since i dont have a windows reboot disc | 11:02 |
| Gotango | Just confused about this whole upgrade and remastersys thing | 11:04 |
| Kilos | lol | 11:07 |
| Kilos | have you run chkdsk | 11:07 |
| Kilos | man we will get you past all the stuff | 11:07 |
| Kilos | i spent years on 500m data a month | 11:09 |
| Gotango | yeah, i got repair discs , but they dont fix anything. | 11:09 |
| Kilos | eish | 11:09 |
| Gotango | I dont even use that much in a month | 11:10 |
| Kilos | best fix for windows is to boot from a buntu cd and tick install | 11:10 |
| Gotango | defragment disc then i loose programs lol | 11:10 |
| Gotango | lol thats what i am hoping for, until i heard about the upgrade thing and remastersys confuses me more | 11:12 |
| Kilos | its like having windows with everything you have installed put onto a dvd | 11:13 |
| Kilos | all the updates and everything are done | 11:13 |
| Gotango | Thats what i want | 11:15 |
| Gotango | An installation with all the upgrades already on it | 11:16 |
| Gotango | All the important once | 11:16 |
| Kilos | you see! ubuntu comes in kinda service packs as windows calls it | 11:17 |
| Kilos | 12.04 is now 12.04.3 | 11:17 |
| Kilos | so there are a few 100 megs that have been sorted to make them better | 11:17 |
| Gotango | yeah i like service packs , it means all the basic stuff are sorted already and ready to go :) | 11:18 |
| Kilos | so the ideal is to download the latest 12.04 then upgrades are less. but from the original cd there is lots | 11:18 |
| Gotango | So Maia wont have the latest version of 12.04 then , since its a old version thats been laying around there by her | 11:19 |
| Kilos | nope | 11:20 |
| Kilos | but you can still try it | 11:20 |
| Kilos | i just gotta work out how to make a remastersys dvd without my username and password | 11:20 |
| Gotango | I want a newer version though, that may have issues fixed in it that makes it work better on my lappy | 11:21 |
| Kilos | dont see probs till you try it | 11:22 |
| Gotango | You can still change your password | 11:22 |
| Gotango | okay cool | 11:22 |
| Gotango | have to test and see | 11:23 |
| Kilos | its basically a major backup of your system so you can install as is on a new pc or so | 11:24 |
| Gotango | hmm , so i install remastersys the same at boot as the regular installer ? | 11:27 |
| Kilos | yes it is the same install | 11:29 |
| Gotango | oh okay | 11:29 |
| Kilos | you will see, the linux world is mile away from windows | 11:31 |
| Kilos | you need software its already in the repos | 11:31 |
| Kilos | no pay $49 or more every time | 11:32 |
| superfly | there should be a 12.04.3 iso | 11:33 |
| Gotango | yeah i love opensource software :) | 11:34 |
| Gotango | Hi superfly | 11:34 |
| superfly | http://ubuntu.mirror.ac.za/ubuntu-cdimage/releases/12.04.3/release/ubuntu-12.04.3-dvd-i386.iso | 11:34 |
| superfly | hi Gotango | 11:34 |
| Gotango | Having an opensource OS will be the cherry on top :) | 11:35 |
| Kilos | there is superfly he just has data restritions like i used to | 11:35 |
| * superfly doesn't know what data restrictions are | 11:35 | |
| Kilos | 500m to last a month | 11:35 |
| Kilos | and very bad internet connection | 11:36 |
| Kilos | he is one of the guys that should be on uncapped adsl, but same as here there aint any | 11:39 |
| Gotango | I always thought Ubuntu was an OS for the masses, but kinda dissapointing seeing its only for a prevelaged few | 11:40 |
| Gotango | I dont think Mark Shuttleworth will reach 200 million users any time soon | 11:41 |
| Kilos | with adsl there isnt any probs | 11:42 |
| superfly | Gotango: I don't think he really cares too much about reaching a goal like that | 11:42 |
| Kilos | ubuntu has even gone onto smartfones | 11:42 |
| Gotango | Its mostly for geeks though, with high end spec pc's and phones. Maybe in 10 years time ubuntu can get close to being anywhere near popular | 11:44 |
| superfly | Gotango: I'd check my "facts" if I were you | 11:44 |
| Kilos | no man | 11:44 |
| superfly | Gotango: In other countries they are replacing Windows XP with Ubuntu | 11:44 |
| superfly | on the same computers | 11:44 |
| * superfly needs to go | 11:45 | |
| Gotango | I will love to have ubuntu. Its just the quest to get it that spoils my mood | 11:46 |
| Kilos | Gotango, you will see once you try it. | 11:46 |
| Kilos | if you were near a varsity you could download it freee | 11:46 |
| Gotango | It should be availiable without needing to downloading it | 11:46 |
| Kilos | all varsities have what they call freedom toasters where you download and burn to dvd free | 11:47 |
| Kilos | you just take your own dvd with | 11:48 |
| Gotango | I know Kilos, i'm talking about the little farm boy who lives in the karoo, that can go to a nearby town and get ubuntu from a music store | 11:48 |
| Gotango | Yip but thats in Capetown , i dont have the petrol to travel there right now | 11:49 |
| Kilos | ya but that is your prob not marks | 11:49 |
| Gotango | Thats whats missing from ubuntu though. Someone can start such a service here or anywhere in africa | 11:50 |
| Gotango | But yeah its not Marks problem :) | 11:51 |
| Kilos | you can start it once you on your feet again | 11:51 |
| Gotango | I already got an idea, where if someone is looking to get ubuntu on their pc. The webapp detects their pc system info and suggest a version of ubuntu for them to install. Then they enter their details and that version gets sent to them via mail. | 11:55 |
| Gotango | maybe charge R10 or so or not i dont know. But dont think i will do that anyway | 11:56 |
| Kilos | thats an idea | 11:57 |
| Gotango | Its a good idea, hope someone out there will do something like that | 11:58 |
| Kilos | no man peeps dont have time | 11:58 |
| Kilos | you will see its only me that has time to chat | 11:59 |
| Gotango | Guess ubuntu was meant to be this way, slow and steady lol | 12:00 |
| Gotango | Well you do great work here Kilos :) | 12:20 |
| Kilos | i try keep everyone happy | 12:20 |
| Gotango | And thats what is great about you | 12:21 |
| Kilos | ty | 12:23 |
| Gotango | yw | 12:24 |
| Kilos | ive had so much help here since i started with pcs. i knew nothing at all and learned here from the guys | 12:24 |
| Kilos | all i could do was play red alert on xp. and format and reinstall once a month or so | 12:26 |
| Gotango | I'm sure they tought you well, you know alot | 12:26 |
| Kilos | superfly, inetpro and many others spent days here with me | 12:26 |
| Kilos | i knew nothing | 12:26 |
| Kilos | now i can even do data recoveries on crashed drives | 12:27 |
| Gotango | thats cool, they didnt give up on you. You turned out great | 12:27 |
| Kilos | its them that are great | 12:28 |
| Kilos | took an old mechanic and turned him into a geek | 12:28 |
| Gotango | yeah greatness gives birth to greatness :) | 12:29 |
| Gotango | You already have the fixing bug in you though, it just shifted to pc's | 12:30 |
| Kilos | lol | 12:30 |
| Gotango | lol | 12:30 |
| Kilos | yeah i love fixing things other peeps discard | 12:31 |
| Gotango | spoken like a true handyman :) | 12:32 |
| magespawn | afternoon all | 14:46 |
| magespawn | later all | 15:04 |
| Kilos | aw | 15:51 |
| inetpro | hmm... | 15:59 |
| SabreWolfy | hmm? | 16:00 |
| * inetpro noticed Kilos having long conversations | 16:01 | |
| inetpro | too much to read for me :-) | 16:01 |
| Kilos | hmm... | 16:03 |
| inetpro | hi Kilos, how are you doing? | 16:04 |
| Kilos | very well ty and you? | 16:04 |
| inetpro | no problemos, thanks | 16:05 |
| Kilos | gotta make a remastersys dvd for the tango kid | 16:05 |
| inetpro | he planning to be back? | 16:05 |
| Kilos | but cant do it here there are isos lying around all over | 16:05 |
| Kilos | he was here all day | 16:06 |
| Kilos | he is here now too | 16:06 |
| inetpro | ahh, didn't notice he joined again | 16:06 |
| inetpro | hi Gotango | 16:06 |
| Kilos | gotta try make him an up to date 12.04 so no data needed with upgrading | 16:07 |
| inetpro | looks like you guys are having a bit of fun today | 16:07 |
| Kilos | ya these win peeps think ubuntu is the same windows | 16:07 |
| inetpro | Gotango: what kind of connection do you have to the intertubes? | 16:08 |
| Kilos | install and everything is there | 16:08 |
| Kilos | cellc | 16:08 |
| Kilos | but like gprs speed | 16:08 |
| Kilos | and 500m data must last a month | 16:08 |
| inetpro | well even windows these days has many frequent updates, and it's a real necessity | 16:09 |
| Kilos | been there done that. so i know what its like | 16:09 |
| Kilos | but with a remastersys dvd from here update/upgrade should be under 50m | 16:10 |
| Kilos | i dunno for sure because i always have archives copied | 16:11 |
| inetpro | all software has bugs, and some bugs unfortunately need fixing as soon as they are detected | 16:12 |
| Kilos | yeah but you okes must expain that to him | 16:13 |
| Kilos | my kop is te plat | 16:13 |
| Gotango | Hi inetpro | 16:19 |
| Gotango | Kilos have been a big help , he knows alot about ubuntu :) | 16:19 |
| inetpro | Gotango: sure thing! | 16:20 |
| Gotango | i have never updated this windows 7 though, since i dont surf the net much or download any programs | 16:21 |
| inetpro | he's a big asset in this channel, available most of the time and always willing to help with anything | 16:21 |
| inetpro | well it is all about managing your risk | 16:21 |
| Gotango | yeah his awesome :) | 16:21 |
| inetpro | if you're not connected to the web all the time your risk is much lower | 16:22 |
| inetpro | Ubuntu is very stable by default | 16:22 |
| Gotango | Yeah i know about hacking stuff and what to look out for to be relative safe without building a fortress around me | 16:23 |
| inetpro | but the safest computing device is the one that is switched off and locked away inside a safe | 16:23 |
| Gotango | I like that part about ubuntu aswell | 16:23 |
| Kilos | lol | 16:23 |
| Gotango | lol true | 16:24 |
| * Kilos loves ubuntu | 16:24 | |
| * Gotango wants to love ubuntu :) | 16:25 | |
| inetpro | the nice thing about Linux in general is that you don't have to worry too much about the thousands of virusses | 16:25 |
| inetpro | all depends what you need it for | 16:26 |
| Gotango | I just use my pc for web development and chat, the odd searches are restricted to sites i "trust". So i dont worry about viruses | 16:28 |
| Kilos | hmm... | 16:30 |
| inetpro | what kind of web development of I may ask? | 16:30 |
| inetpro | s/of/if/ | 16:30 |
| Kilos | inetpro, am i right in saying the only real threat is being hacked by a clever peeps here | 16:31 |
| Kilos | so firewall is all you need | 16:31 |
| Kilos | and good password | 16:31 |
| Trixar_za | That's one advantage of Linux - you can't get Windows viruses and rootkits - they just don't work. | 16:31 |
| Trixar_za | :P | 16:31 |
| inetpro | Kilos: in most cases you don't even need a firewall | 16:31 |
| Kilos | hi Trixar_za | 16:31 |
| Gotango | php, python, javascript , css , html . I'm into mobile apps now so i will stick to that and a bit of web design too | 16:31 |
| Trixar_za | Hey Kilos | 16:31 |
| Trixar_za | Well considering the javascript nature of many of the Windows 8 apps, that might be a good market to get into | 16:32 |
| Gotango | Hey Trixar_za , yeah web apps are the future. Hope the speed of javascript gets better though | 16:34 |
| Gotango | I dont care about windows 8 though. Android , IOS, Ubuntu touch, type of OS's are fine for me | 16:35 |
| Trixar_za | Well, Javascript's speed is dependent on the Js engine the browser is using - amongst other things - like the speed of the connection, the computer and how long it takes to get the script and run it, which is why minimization is so important | 16:37 |
| Gotango | Thats if you load the whole site from a website. I like offline apps that got all the libraries already built in.Much easier to work with the app | 16:41 |
| Trixar_za | You'd be surprised. There are certain limitations. For example http://trixarian.net/demo/ - It's JavaScript based, but won't run locally without creating a web server for it. | 16:48 |
| Gotango | Sounds like nodejs. My apps are less resource intensive, i like the "simple but rich" style of software design. | 16:55 |
| Kilos | inetpro, | 17:38 |
| Kilos | ideas please | 17:39 |
| Kilos | how do i only remove unneccesary packages from archives | 17:39 |
| Kilos | if i can get the needed ones only to stay then the remastersys dvd will be upgraded properly and have packages in archives too | 17:40 |
| Kilos | apt-get clean? | 17:40 |
| Kilos | like i have 9.1g of saved packages but thats all of them | 17:44 |
| Kilos | hi psychicist | 17:46 |
| inetpro | Kilos: no | 17:49 |
| Kilos | no? | 17:49 |
| inetpro | well,... | 17:49 |
| Kilos | eeeeek | 17:49 |
| inetpro | man apt-get | 17:50 |
| Kilos | like can one copy only installed packages somewhere | 17:50 |
| Kilos | ai! | 17:50 |
| inetpro | clean clears out the local repository of retrieved package files | 17:50 |
| Kilos | sigh | 17:50 |
| inetpro | It removes everything but the lock file from /var/cache/apt/archives/ and /var/cache/apt/archives/partial/ | 17:50 |
| inetpro | look at autoclean | 17:52 |
| inetpro | it only removes package files that can no longer be downloaded, and are largely useless | 17:52 |
| inetpro | always consult the man pages | 17:53 |
| Kilos | ai! | 17:54 |
| Kilos | then i always need you to explain things man | 17:54 |
| Kilos | commands i copy paste somewhere | 17:54 |
| inetpro | Kilos: man pages become easier to read as you learn | 17:55 |
| Kilos | lol you been saying that for years | 17:55 |
| inetpro | don't expect to know everything at once | 17:55 |
| Kilos | and everytime i look at them i get older | 17:56 |
| inetpro | lol | 17:56 |
| inetpro | Kilos: in kubuntu you can also read man pages in your rekonq browser by typing the url as follows: man:/apt-get | 18:02 |
| Kilos | ai! | 18:02 |
| Kilos | man pages are for clever peeps man | 18:02 |
| inetpro | in fact you can just do that in the launcher | 18:02 |
| inetpro | no man, they were written by normal people | 18:03 |
| Kilos | ya with geek heads and training | 18:03 |
| inetpro | training? | 18:04 |
| Kilos | years of working with scripts and stuff | 18:04 |
| inetpro | anyone can get involved in writing man pages | 18:04 |
| Kilos | i can use sudo and apt-get and aptitude to do normal stuff like installs and remove and purge | 18:05 |
| Kilos | this is more involved what i wanna do now | 18:05 |
| inetpro | keep reading those man pages and explore other options | 18:05 |
| Kilos | cant send the man an install cd and then he needs 400m of upgrades | 18:06 |
| Kilos | jy kan bly wees die hael en koue het vrugte uitgeroei anders het ek nou n vrot perske na jou gegooi | 18:07 |
| inetpro | :-) | 18:07 |
| inetpro | ok, ok... sorry oom | 18:08 |
| Kilos | :-) | 18:08 |
| inetpro | I'll be honest, these frequent updates can be very frustrating | 18:10 |
| inetpro | but make no mistake, there's a lot of effort that goes into shipping a stable release | 18:11 |
| superfly | don't try debian unstable then | 18:11 |
| inetpro | superfly: I remember when Ubuntu was born, if I remember correctly that was one of the first things Mark Shuttleworth tried to address | 18:12 |
| inetpro | one of the hot debates was exactly around shipping a usable release on a single CD | 18:13 |
| Kilos | todays upgrade was only 4 meg | 18:16 |
| Kilos | lekker | 18:16 |
| inetpro | the thing is you can't control Linux developers | 18:18 |
| inetpro | it's one massive world of freedom | 18:19 |
| Kilos | hmm... | 18:19 |
| Kilos | my maverick still works kiff you know | 18:19 |
| Kilos | pity i didnt do a remastersys back then. full install with no data used for upgrades | 18:20 |
| Kilos | inetpro, is that apt-get autoremove a bit like what i need | 18:24 |
| Kilos | or only dependancies | 18:25 |
| inetpro | Kilos: I haven't tried it but if I look at the man page, it looks like what you need | 18:25 |
| Kilos | ok lemme go copy packs to archives then try it | 18:26 |
| Kilos | on other pc of course | 18:26 |
| inetpro | Kilos: remember, some packages get updated repeatedly, each update has a unique package file | 18:27 |
| inetpro | you only need the latest | 18:27 |
| Kilos | ya thats what i want to try save in archives | 18:27 |
| inetpro | I think autoclean will sort that out | 18:27 |
| Kilos | i got everything from first 12.04 update | 18:28 |
| Kilos | no man it also empties everything apart from 500m or so | 18:28 |
| inetpro | do a 'apt-get update' before you clean | 18:28 |
| inetpro | before you autoclean | 18:29 |
| inetpro | Kilos: so maybe 500m is all you need | 18:29 |
| Kilos | oh ya maybe | 18:30 |
| Kilos | me tries that ty sir | 18:30 |
| inetpro | Kilos: obviously it may also delete packages that you installed at some point and forgot to install on your latest installation | 18:33 |
| Kilos | oh ya | 18:33 |
| Kilos | Gotango, you making me gray | 18:33 |
| inetpro | Kilos: Gotango from the US? | 18:34 |
| Kilos | ceres | 18:34 |
| Kilos | he will owe me lotsa fruit drinks after all of this | 18:34 |
| inetpro | gray: US spelling of grey | 18:34 |
| Kilos | i like yellow peach | 18:35 |
| Kilos | no man grey is when you nearly white | 18:35 |
| Kilos | gray is when there is still some colour | 18:35 |
| inetpro | hmm... ok | 18:36 |
| Kilos | dont start googling it im just joking | 18:38 |
| Kilos | gray is the right spelling | 18:38 |
| Gotango | lol Kilos :) | 18:38 |
| Gotango | you dont have to do all this though | 18:38 |
| Kilos | i know i dont, but i also know what its like to batlle | 18:39 |
| Gotango | i'm fine with windows for a while, atleast until i can switch to ubuntu | 18:39 |
| Kilos | and the pleasure one gets out of being helped | 18:39 |
| Kilos | no one is fine with windows | 18:39 |
| Gotango | Aww thats kind man :) | 18:40 |
| Kilos | will most likely take a week or 2 anyway before sis goes to town. she is arriving at airport on sunday from namibia | 18:40 |
| Gotango | Yeah windows gives some minor headaches | 18:40 |
| Gotango | oh nice, hope she enjoyed the holiday | 18:41 |
| Kilos | she actually rested less because she helped her daughter with running guest houses and garage and shop and i dunno what else | 18:43 |
| inetpro | surely someone else close to Ceres is also using Ubuntu already? | 18:43 |
| Kilos | maybe inetpro but how do you find them | 18:44 |
| Kilos | oh library | 18:44 |
| Gotango | Thats great Kilos :) | 18:44 |
| Kilos | Gotango, you got a library near | 18:44 |
| inetpro | Kilos: just talk to superfly, he has many buddies there :-) | 18:44 |
| Kilos | lol | 18:44 |
| Gotango | Nope inetpro i dunno anyone here who got ubuntu | 18:45 |
| inetpro | Gotango: it's less than 2 hours from Cape Town man | 18:45 |
| Kilos | dont libraries let you use their internet connection | 18:45 |
| Kilos | transport costs inetpro | 18:45 |
| Gotango | Yeah the library in town, but their pc's have been down for more then a year | 18:46 |
| Kilos | then offer to fix them man | 18:46 |
| inetpro | but someone can drive to the beautiful valleys for the fun of it | 18:46 |
| Kilos | i can help with that | 18:46 |
| Kilos | some peeps work | 18:46 |
| Gotango | sounds like alot of work for an unemployed electrician lol | 18:47 |
| Kilos | no man go see them and take lappy with and we see what can be done | 18:47 |
| Kilos | never be afraid of work | 18:48 |
| Gotango | Just for a CD, though its kinda silly to go all the way to Capetown for it | 18:48 |
| Kilos | if you can fix it next time theyll call you and you can charge | 18:48 |
| inetpro | anyway I do think Kilos is the right guy to talk to when it comes to using minimal data | 18:48 |
| Kilos | Gotango, go tomorrow to the library and offer to fix their system | 18:49 |
| Gotango | Nope its a bunch of sour old people running that library. They wont even greet anyone | 18:49 |
| Kilos | faint heart never won fair maiden | 18:50 |
| Kilos | i like old peeps | 18:50 |
| inetpro | Gotango: by the way, have you tried using Telkom Mobile in stead of CellC? | 18:50 |
| inetpro | may be cheaper | 18:51 |
| Kilos | you will be surprised at how nice they become when they see you can fix things for them | 18:51 |
| Gotango | Cellc is cheaper for me inetpro, Telkom mobile is about twice the price in data | 18:52 |
| Kilos | no man R149 nfor 3g | 18:52 |
| Gotango | believe me Kilos they are rude as hell | 18:52 |
| inetpro | Gotango: what package are you on? | 18:52 |
| Kilos | ai! | 18:52 |
| Kilos | oh also telkom has a promo | 18:53 |
| Gotango | they wont let anyone who isnt a qualified professional touch their stuff | 18:53 |
| Kilos | if you buy a starter pack you get free 200m data monthly for a year | 18:53 |
| Kilos | R49 | 18:53 |
| inetpro | taht is cheap ^^ | 18:53 |
| inetpro | that* | 18:53 |
| Kilos | 2 off them is 400m data monthly for a year | 18:54 |
| Gotango | I will look into telkom mobile ty inetpro and Kilos :) | 18:54 |
| Kilos | im looking forward to teaching you ubuntu | 18:54 |
| Kilos | hehe | 18:54 |
| Kilos | where is this and that | 18:54 |
| Gotango | If it can wake up my 3g on this usb modem then i will stick with Telkom mobile | 18:54 |
| Kilos | haha | 18:54 |
| Gotango | lol :) | 18:55 |
| Kilos | is it branded? | 18:55 |
| Kilos | ya to cellc hey | 18:55 |
| Kilos | ai! | 18:55 |
| Kilos | more hacking | 18:55 |
| Gotango | Its unlocked sorry Kilos i gave the wrong info yesterday | 18:56 |
| Kilos | ve haf vays und means ya | 18:56 |
| Kilos | aha | 18:56 |
| Gotango | Its a kanguru stick i got from portugal | 18:56 |
| Gotango | Are you sure its possible to disable all automatic updates for ubuntu ? | 18:57 |
| Kilos | i used lots of data getting the unlock codes for a arab modem | 18:57 |
| Kilos | yes man | 18:58 |
| inetpro | Gotango: Ubuntu doesn't do automatic updates by default | 18:58 |
| Gotango | oh okay ty | 18:58 |
| Kilos | but remember that every update improves ubuntu and makes it safer | 18:58 |
| inetpro | all it does is it checks for updates, ala apt-get update style | 18:58 |
| Kilos | i have mine turned off and only upgrade with night surfer after 11pm | 18:59 |
| Gotango | I dont care about safety though , i know how to tread lightly :) | 18:59 |
| Kilos | via command line | 18:59 |
| inetpro | but you can even disable that, unless something changed now that I am not aware of | 18:59 |
| Kilos | not just that there is software that gets improved and made smaller and faster | 18:59 |
| Gotango | okay sounds good Kilos | 19:00 |
| Kilos | 12.04 you stop updates in update manager | 19:00 |
| Gotango | Well i just want an OS . If i wana upgrade something i can do it in my own time | 19:01 |
| Gotango | Aah perfect :) | 19:01 |
| Kilos | you dont understand | 19:01 |
| Kilos | linux needs the first update/upgrade to make everything work properly | 19:01 |
| Gotango | yeah i know, | 19:02 |
| Gotango | you told me | 19:02 |
| inetpro | Kilos: really? | 19:02 |
| Kilos | i thought you listened with your blocked ear | 19:02 |
| inetpro | Kilos: what happens if you don't run the update at all? | 19:03 |
| Kilos | yes inetpro try a clean install from a cd and try do everything without updating | 19:03 |
| Gotango | I mean like after all the basic default stuff is upgraded , i want to disable every update and in future update when i feel like it | 19:03 |
| Kilos | lots of stuff hangs instead of working | 19:03 |
| inetpro | Kilos: hmm... | 19:03 |
| Kilos | yes Gotango you can do that | 19:04 |
| Gotango | :) | 19:04 |
| Kilos | ill try get everything upgraded as far as possible on the dvd | 19:04 |
| Gotango | Great teacher you are Kilos | 19:04 |
| Kilos | ill help anyone to leave windows | 19:05 |
| inetpro | Kilos: I've never had the need to do a offline installation but I'm sure it should just work | 19:05 |
| Kilos | everything doesnt inetpro | 19:05 |
| inetpro | ai! | 19:05 |
| inetpro | that's bad | 19:06 |
| Kilos | those first updates do important work | 19:06 |
| Kilos | like thunderbird is a default install but it dont work | 19:06 |
| inetpro | Kilos: oh that is obvious | 19:07 |
| Kilos | the answer would be to get 12.04.4 and install that | 19:07 |
| Kilos | why? | 19:07 |
| Kilos | also gwibber | 19:07 |
| inetpro | thunderbird is one of those packages that need frequent updating just like firefox | 19:08 |
| Kilos | first update does big work | 19:08 |
| Gotango | hmm it would be so much easier if one could choose from a list of programs you wana install , instead of the default software | 19:09 |
| Kilos | you can | 19:09 |
| Kilos | you do a basic install then from cli remove what you dont want then do an update | 19:10 |
| Gotango | Like i dont need thunderbird. I got various different places i check my mail | 19:10 |
| Gotango | oh | 19:10 |
| Gotango | interesting | 19:11 |
| Kilos | i have evolution installed . it gets all my mail from gmail yahoo hotmail etc | 19:11 |
| Kilos | i dont got to mail sites because that eats data | 19:12 |
| Kilos | evo only fetches new mail | 19:12 |
| Gotango | yeah true | 19:12 |
| Gotango | Well i will like to have no programs at all installed on the first run of ubuntu, is that possible ? | 19:13 |
| Kilos | i have tried just about everything to cut data use | 19:13 |
| Gotango | me to lol :) | 19:13 |
| Kilos | the remastersys dvd will have everything i have installed | 19:13 |
| Kilos | vlc is important | 19:14 |
| Kilos | and pidgin and xchat | 19:14 |
| Gotango | oh okay | 19:14 |
| Gotango | i can irc on pidgin | 19:14 |
| Kilos | thats hard work xchat is better | 19:14 |
| Gotango | I got facebook chat there too | 19:14 |
| inetpro | Kilos: oh now, please don't boost evolution here, not an example of good software | 19:15 |
| Kilos | oh a dvd from me will give you 10 workspaces too | 19:15 |
| Kilos | evo is working kiff here inetpro | 19:15 |
| inetpro | ai! | 19:15 |
| Kilos | no slower than thunderbird and has more options like built in backup of mail accounts etc | 19:16 |
| Gotango | okay cool , hope it works | 19:16 |
| Kilos | thuinderbord cant do that | 19:16 |
| inetpro | ok I'll admit, I haven't used it for a long long time, but it used to be extremely buggy and bloated | 19:16 |
| Kilos | nope its perfect now | 19:16 |
| * inetpro hates bloatware | 19:16 | |
| Kilos | just slow to open | 19:16 |
| Kilos | once open you dont know its there on its own workspace | 19:17 |
| Kilos | Gotango, you know about extra workspaces>? | 19:17 |
| Gotango | yep i do | 19:18 |
| Kilos | you peeps and all your chatting keep me outa bed | 19:18 |
| Gotango | goodness! i saw the linux drivers for my Gcard is over 100MB :0 | 19:19 |
| Kilos | whats a gcard | 19:19 |
| Gotango | What a nightmare Graphics card | 19:20 |
| Kilos | if you use 2d then you wont need that | 19:20 |
| Gotango | ubuntu looks more distant now damn! | 19:20 |
| Kilos | no man | 19:20 |
| Kilos | ai! | 19:20 |
| Kilos | ek sukkel darem | 19:21 |
| superfly | Gotango: what graphics card? | 19:21 |
| Gotango | But dont linux need specific drivers to run graphics ? | 19:21 |
| Kilos | ubuntu runs without installing things like that | 19:21 |
| Kilos | it has built in drivers | 19:21 |
| Gotango | like windows needs specific drivers | 19:21 |
| inetpro | ai! | 19:21 |
| Kilos | not same | 19:22 |
| Gotango | oh okay that good | 19:22 |
| inetpro | all depends | 19:22 |
| Gotango | its an ATi radeon from 2009 superfly | 19:22 |
| Gotango | I just want 2D no 3D effects | 19:23 |
| superfly | Gotango: I'd try the open source drivers, they should work fine and they're included in the installation | 19:23 |
| Kilos | nouvea should run it | 19:23 |
| Gotango | I dont play games at all | 19:23 |
| Kilos | hmm... | 19:23 |
| Gotango | okay thats good to hear superfly ty :) | 19:24 |
| Kilos | ubuntu rocks | 19:24 |
| * Gotango feels ubuntu moving closer now | 19:24 | |
| Gotango | Just all the issues i read in the forums got me paranoid that ubuntu may break on me lol | 19:25 |
| Gotango | But when you get to know it you learn to like it | 19:26 |
| inetpro | Gotango: remember one thing, it's a massively diverse user base out there | 19:26 |
| Kilos | do you know what web design apps you gonna use | 19:26 |
| inetpro | you can't trust everything you read | 19:27 |
| Kilos | ya dont install stuff from sites | 19:27 |
| Kilos | first ask here | 19:27 |
| Gotango | Yeah inetpro it gets clearer all the time | 19:27 |
| Kilos | the fly will jump on you if you crash ubuntu | 19:28 |
| superfly | Gotango: so tell me why people would post on the forums if their system works properly? what motivation do they have? | 19:28 |
| Gotango | Nope Kilos i will use the same software i use in windows | 19:28 |
| Kilos | you cant man | 19:28 |
| Gotango | Its all trusted sites no worries | 19:28 |
| Kilos | windows stuff dont work here | 19:28 |
| Gotango | lol the linux versions of them :) | 19:29 |
| Kilos | you need linux equivalents | 19:29 |
| Kilos | aha | 19:29 |
| Kilos | good man | 19:29 |
| Kilos | ok guys i go sleep now | 19:29 |
| Kilos | sleep tight all | 19:29 |
| Kilos | see ya morrow | 19:29 |
| Gotango | I guess they wana learn more about using the system superfly | 19:30 |
| Gotango | Night night Kilos , take care :) | 19:30 |
| Kilos | will do ty. will start uninstalling nvidia stuff etc tomorrow | 19:31 |
| Kilos | inetpro, | 19:35 |
| Kilos | sorry man | 19:35 |
| inetpro | Kilos: yep? | 19:35 |
| Kilos | http://askubuntu.com/questions/62340/how-to-copy-an-ubuntu-install-from-one-laptop-to-another | 19:35 |
| Kilos | \look about 1/4 way down | 19:35 |
| Kilos | your installed packages | 19:35 |
| Kilos | will that save what you have installed only | 19:36 |
| inetpro | Kilos: hmm... I really don't know | 19:41 |
| inetpro | but looks like it could work as well | 19:41 |
| Kilos | ok ty ill try it tomorrow | 19:41 |
| Kilos | sleep tight | 19:42 |
| inetpro | Gotango: by the way, Linux is compatible with more hardware than any other OS | 19:45 |
| Gotango | Aah thats great to know inetpro ty :) | 19:47 |
| inetpro | and might even be faster than the shiny new system with Windows | 19:48 |
| Gotango | I'm sure it wont be as Ram hungry as windows, atleast i hope so | 19:50 |
| Gotango | Take care guys , ty for the info , its much appritiated :) | 20:00 |
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