[05:16] <Kilos> morning all
[06:33] <Kilos> ohi ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning :)
[06:33] <Kilos> :)
[06:56] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:19] <Kilos> morning inetpro hoe gaan dit daar
[07:27] <bduk1> Morning everyone
[07:47] <Kilos> hi bduk1 
[08:03] <bduk1> Hi Kilos  hou jy ook bietjie vakansie?
[09:08] <Kilos> sigh
[09:08] <Gotango> Hey Kilos
[09:08] <Kilos> aha hi there
[09:09] <Kilos> Gotango, did you get the pm message
[09:09] <Gotango> Yes i did
[09:25] <Kilos> sorry about me popping in and out. this modem times out for some reason
[10:02] <Kilos> Gotango, once you have installed ubuntu you dont forget this channel hey. you install xchat and become a regular here
[10:08] <Gotango> No way! Kilos , I will always be here no matter what. I always had a love for ubuntu , even though i never used it :)
[10:08] <Kilos> good man
[10:09] <Gotango> Unless ubuntu dont wanna work on this lappy , i will be without a pc for a while
[10:09] <Kilos> you will most likely need some guidance in the beginning and then after you in the swing you can help other noobs
[10:09] <Kilos> it will
[10:10] <Kilos> you can boot from a cd and run it from there too
[10:10] <Gotango> Yep i loaded some pdf's off google , about installing ubuntu 12.04. Seems easy
[10:10] <Kilos> also you can install ubuntu alongside windows
[10:11] <Gotango> Aah i forgot about that option lol 
[10:11] <Kilos> then you have both and can choose which one to boot from at startup
[10:13] <Gotango> They say its recommended to choose your own partition, but at first i will wana install it alongside windows and check where ubuntu spits out errors 
[10:14] <Kilos> yeah
[10:15] <Gotango> I hope it picks up the drivers for the Gcard and cpu and other hardware. Those software are massive to download 
[10:15] <Kilos> dont think negative man. it should just work
[10:16] <Kilos> even without specific graphics drivers it will still work 2d
[10:16] <Kilos> normally only for 3d it needs card specific drivers
[10:16] <Kilos> and for bit more speed
[10:17] <Gotango> I hope it works as expected :)
[10:20] <Kilos> also prepare for data use on upgrading. ubuntu isnt like windows that installs everything.
[10:20] <Kilos> you install then upgrade and can be a couple of hundred megs of upgrades
[10:21] <Gotango> Huh ? no i dont wana update anything. Just install the software i want. I want all automatic updates disabled
[10:23] <Gotango> If ubuntu automatically updates a bunch of worthless stuff without me being able to choose, then i'm gona stick to windows rather
[10:25] <Kilos> you cant man
[10:25] <Kilos> you can turn of updates but there is lots that needs upgrading after a new install
[10:26] <Kilos> every thing as part of the working os gets upgraded. like security features etc
[10:27] <Gotango> Such software should come with the OS and i should be able to choose if i wana update a certain program or not
[10:28] <Kilos> the cds were too small
[10:29] <Kilos> there are things you can uninstall before it gets to upgrading
[10:29] <Kilos> like thunderbird and gwibber
[10:29] <Kilos> but the stuff you use for work you install later
[10:31] <Gotango> I want ubuntu to install like a good little OS and then i wana go myself to the software center and choose the software i want. Things like Rythmbox should be already installed to play media
[10:33] <Kilos> yes man you do that but there are upgrades to the basic install
[10:33] <Gotango> The first thing i do when installing new software is to disable automatic updates. I hate those things
[10:33] <Kilos> dont compare linux to installing windows
[10:33] <Kilos> on windows yes, but linux needs them
[10:35] <Gotango> I know ubuntu is different than windows, but isnt there a way to add the software to a dvd and install the OS with all the basics in it
[10:35] <Gotango> I  dont have Gigabytes of data on my isp, else i wouldve downloaded ubuntu by now
[10:39] <Kilos> the only way is to make a dvd with remastersys that gives you a copy of a running installation
[10:40] <Kilos> anyway get the cd and install it alongside. and see if everything works. then ill make a dvd of my os and send it
[10:40] <Gotango> But in the installation pdf tutorial it shows nothing about default software you have to download before ubuntu starts
[10:41] <Kilos> they all accept that one is permanently connected with adsl
[10:42] <Gotango> okay 
[10:43] <Gotango> I'm not that impressed with ubuntu anymore, so dissapointed!
[10:43] <Kilos> ai!
[10:44] <Kilos> olnce you have used a fully upgraded one you will never go back to windows
[10:44] <Kilos> once
[10:44] <Gotango> I thought they cater for the little guy better than windows do, but sadly not
[10:45] <Gotango> Are you sure ?
[10:46] <Kilos> its only us mobile data users with min data that suffer
[10:47] <Kilos> you will see
[10:47] <Kilos> everything is better. if you were online at work or something we wouldnt even be having this discussion
[10:47] <Gotango> I got a second hand lappy, with no windows reboot disc. Windows have been running on this lappy for 3 years with no problems. I just want a backup of some kind of OS in case something happens to windows
[10:48] <Gotango> yeah , who cares about the little guy ? nobody lol
[10:51] <Gotango> Anyway how do you cram a remastersys into a dvd 
[10:51] <Kilos> you remove everything that makes it over 4g
[10:52] <Kilos> but remastersys has also stopped. so from 12.04 there aint that option anymore
[10:52] <Gotango> Oh okay
[10:54] <Kilos> but even with a remastersys install you upgrade. just not so much
[10:54] <Kilos> maybe 20 or 40 meg
[10:56] <Kilos> you should've done the downloads and installs before you lost the job 
[10:56] <Gotango> It takes me around 7 hours to download anything close to 100MB here . So if the upgrade stuff is smaller than that i will be happy
[10:56] <Kilos> then it was work internet
[10:57] <Kilos> yes it will be with a remastersys dvd
[10:57] <Gotango> haha yeah , stupid ass i was :D
[10:58] <Gotango> Now i'm in a hole i cant get out lol
[10:59] <Kilos> you will man. patience
[11:02] <Gotango> Well this windows has been messing for a few weeks. I click on a video and it opens it as a text file lol . No matter how i reset the file association it keeps doing that. So i need a new OS since i dont have a windows reboot disc
[11:04] <Gotango> Just confused about this whole upgrade and remastersys thing
[11:07] <Kilos> lol
[11:07] <Kilos> have you run chkdsk
[11:07] <Kilos> man we will get you past all the stuff
[11:09] <Kilos> i spent years on 500m data a month
[11:09] <Gotango> yeah, i got repair discs , but they dont fix anything. 
[11:09] <Kilos> eish
[11:10] <Gotango> I dont even use that much in a month
[11:10] <Kilos> best fix for windows is to boot from a buntu cd and tick install
[11:10] <Gotango> defragment disc then i loose programs lol
[11:12] <Gotango> lol thats what i am hoping for, until i heard about the upgrade thing and remastersys confuses me more
[11:13] <Kilos> its like having windows with everything you have installed put onto a dvd
[11:13] <Kilos> all the updates and everything are done
[11:15] <Gotango> Thats what i want 
[11:16] <Gotango> An installation with all the upgrades already on it
[11:16] <Gotango> All the important once 
[11:17] <Kilos> you see! ubuntu comes in kinda service packs as windows calls it
[11:17] <Kilos> 12.04 is now 12.04.3
[11:17] <Kilos> so there are a few 100 megs that have been sorted to make them better
[11:18] <Gotango> yeah i like service packs , it means all the basic stuff are sorted already and ready to go :)
[11:18] <Kilos> so the ideal is to download the latest 12.04 then upgrades are less. but from the original cd there is lots
[11:19] <Gotango> So Maia wont have the latest version of 12.04 then , since its a old version thats been laying around there by her
[11:20] <Kilos> nope
[11:20] <Kilos> but you can still try it
[11:20] <Kilos> i just gotta work out how to make a remastersys dvd without my username and password
[11:21] <Gotango> I want a newer version though, that may have issues fixed in it that makes it work better on my lappy
[11:22] <Kilos> dont see probs till you try it
[11:22] <Gotango> You can still change your password 
[11:22] <Gotango> okay cool
[11:23] <Gotango> have to test and see
[11:24] <Kilos> its basically a major backup of your system so you can install as is on a new pc or so
[11:27] <Gotango> hmm , so i install remastersys the same at boot as the regular installer ?
[11:29] <Kilos> yes it is the same install
[11:29] <Gotango> oh okay 
[11:31] <Kilos> you will see, the linux world is mile away from windows
[11:31] <Kilos> you need software its already in the repos
[11:32] <Kilos> no pay $49 or more every time
[11:33] <superfly> there should be a 12.04.3 iso
[11:34] <Gotango> yeah i love opensource software :)
[11:34] <Gotango> Hi superfly
[11:34] <superfly> http://ubuntu.mirror.ac.za/ubuntu-cdimage/releases/12.04.3/release/ubuntu-12.04.3-dvd-i386.iso
[11:34] <superfly> hi Gotango
[11:35] <Gotango> Having an opensource OS will be the cherry on top :)
[11:35] <Kilos> there is superfly he just has data restritions like i used to
[11:35]  * superfly doesn't know what data restrictions are
[11:35] <Kilos> 500m to last a month
[11:36] <Kilos> and very bad internet connection
[11:39] <Kilos> he is one of the guys that should be on uncapped adsl, but same as here there aint any
[11:40] <Gotango> I always thought Ubuntu was an OS for the masses, but kinda dissapointing seeing its only for a prevelaged few
[11:41] <Gotango> I dont think Mark Shuttleworth will reach 200 million users any time soon
[11:42] <Kilos> with adsl there isnt any probs
[11:42] <superfly> Gotango: I don't think he really cares too much about reaching a goal like that
[11:42] <Kilos> ubuntu has even gone onto smartfones
[11:44] <Gotango> Its mostly for geeks though, with high end spec pc's and phones. Maybe in 10 years time ubuntu can get close to being anywhere near popular 
[11:44] <superfly> Gotango: I'd check my "facts" if I were you
[11:44] <Kilos> no man
[11:44] <superfly> Gotango: In other countries they are replacing Windows XP with Ubuntu
[11:44] <superfly> on the same computers
[11:45]  * superfly needs to go
[11:46] <Gotango> I will love to have ubuntu. Its just the quest to get it that spoils my mood
[11:46] <Kilos> Gotango, you will see once you try it.
[11:46] <Kilos> if you were near a varsity you could download it freee
[11:46] <Gotango> It should be availiable without needing to downloading it
[11:47] <Kilos> all varsities have what they call freedom toasters where you download and burn to dvd free
[11:48] <Kilos> you just take your own dvd with
[11:48] <Gotango> I know Kilos, i'm talking about the little farm boy who lives in the karoo, that can go to a nearby town and get ubuntu from a music store
[11:49] <Gotango> Yip but thats in Capetown , i dont have the petrol to travel there right now 
[11:49] <Kilos> ya but that is your prob not marks
[11:50] <Gotango> Thats whats missing from ubuntu though. Someone can start such a service here or anywhere in africa
[11:51] <Gotango> But yeah its not Marks problem :)
[11:51] <Kilos> you can start it once you on your feet again
[11:55] <Gotango> I already got an idea, where if someone is looking to get ubuntu on their pc. The webapp detects their pc system info and suggest a version of ubuntu for them to install. Then they enter their details and that version gets sent to them via mail. 
[11:56] <Gotango> maybe charge R10 or so or not i dont know. But dont think i will do that anyway
[11:57] <Kilos> thats an idea
[11:58] <Gotango> Its a good idea, hope someone out there will do something like that
[11:58] <Kilos> no man peeps dont have time
[11:59] <Kilos> you will see its only me that has time to chat
[12:00] <Gotango> Guess ubuntu was meant to be this way, slow and steady lol
[12:20] <Gotango> Well you do great work here Kilos :)
[12:20] <Kilos> i try keep everyone happy
[12:21] <Gotango> And thats what is great about you 
[12:23] <Kilos> ty
[12:24] <Gotango> yw
[12:24] <Kilos> ive had so much help here since i started with pcs. i knew nothing at all and learned here from the guys
[12:26] <Kilos> all i could do was play red alert on xp. and format and reinstall once a month or so
[12:26] <Gotango> I'm sure they tought you well, you know alot 
[12:26] <Kilos> superfly, inetpro and many others spent days here with me
[12:26] <Kilos> i knew nothing
[12:27] <Kilos> now i can even do data recoveries on crashed drives
[12:27] <Gotango> thats cool, they didnt give up on you. You turned out great
[12:28] <Kilos> its them that are great
[12:28] <Kilos> took an old mechanic and turned him into a geek
[12:29] <Gotango> yeah greatness gives birth to greatness :)
[12:30] <Gotango> You already have the fixing bug in you though, it just shifted to pc's
[12:30] <Kilos> lol
[12:30] <Gotango> lol
[12:31] <Kilos> yeah i love fixing things other peeps discard
[12:32] <Gotango> spoken like a true handyman :)
[14:46] <magespawn> afternoon all
[15:04] <magespawn> later all
[15:51] <Kilos> aw
[15:59] <inetpro> hmm...
[16:00] <SabreWolfy> hmm?
[16:01]  * inetpro noticed Kilos having long conversations
[16:01] <inetpro> too much to read for me :-)
[16:03] <Kilos> hmm...
[16:04] <inetpro> hi Kilos, how are you doing?
[16:04] <Kilos> very well ty and you?
[16:05] <inetpro> no problemos, thanks
[16:05] <Kilos> gotta make a remastersys dvd for the tango kid
[16:05] <inetpro> he planning to be back?
[16:05] <Kilos> but cant do it here there are isos lying around all over
[16:06] <Kilos> he was here all day
[16:06] <Kilos> he is here now too
[16:06] <inetpro> ahh, didn't notice he joined again
[16:06] <inetpro> hi Gotango
[16:07] <Kilos> gotta try make him an up to date 12.04 so no data needed with upgrading
[16:07] <inetpro> looks like you guys are having a bit of fun today
[16:07] <Kilos> ya these win peeps think ubuntu is the same windows
[16:08] <inetpro> Gotango: what kind of connection do you have to the intertubes?
[16:08] <Kilos> install and everything is there
[16:08] <Kilos> cellc
[16:08] <Kilos> but like gprs speed
[16:08] <Kilos> and 500m data must last a month
[16:09] <inetpro> well even windows these days has many frequent updates, and it's a real necessity 
[16:09] <Kilos> been there done that. so i know what its like
[16:10] <Kilos> but with a remastersys dvd from here update/upgrade should be under 50m
[16:11] <Kilos> i dunno for sure because i always have archives copied
[16:12] <inetpro> all software has bugs, and some bugs unfortunately need fixing as soon as they are detected 
[16:13] <Kilos> yeah but  you okes must expain that to him
[16:13] <Kilos> my kop is te plat
[16:19] <Gotango> Hi inetpro
[16:19] <Gotango> Kilos have been a big help , he knows alot about ubuntu :)
[16:20] <inetpro> Gotango: sure thing!
[16:21] <Gotango> i have never updated this windows 7 though, since i dont surf the net much or download any programs
[16:21] <inetpro> he's a big asset in this channel, available most of the time and always willing to help with anything 
[16:21] <inetpro> well it is all about managing your risk
[16:21] <Gotango> yeah his awesome :)
[16:22] <inetpro> if you're not connected to the web all the time your risk is much lower
[16:22] <inetpro> Ubuntu is very stable by default
[16:23] <Gotango> Yeah i know about hacking stuff and what to look out for to be relative safe without building a fortress around me
[16:23] <inetpro> but the safest computing device is the one that is switched off and locked away inside a safe
[16:23] <Gotango> I like that part about ubuntu aswell
[16:23] <Kilos> lol
[16:24] <Gotango> lol true
[16:24]  * Kilos loves ubuntu
[16:25]  * Gotango wants to love ubuntu :)
[16:25] <inetpro> the nice thing about Linux in general is that you don't have to worry too much about the thousands of virusses
[16:26] <inetpro> all depends what you need it for
[16:28] <Gotango> I just use my pc for web development and chat, the odd searches are restricted to sites i "trust". So i dont worry about viruses 
[16:30] <Kilos> hmm...
[16:30] <inetpro> what kind of web development of I may ask?
[16:30] <inetpro> s/of/if/
[16:31] <Kilos> inetpro, am i right in saying the only real threat is being hacked by a clever peeps here
[16:31] <Kilos> so firewall is all you need
[16:31] <Kilos> and good password
[16:31] <Trixar_za> That's one advantage of Linux - you can't get Windows viruses and rootkits - they just don't work.
[16:31] <Trixar_za> :P
[16:31] <inetpro> Kilos: in most cases you don't even need a firewall
[16:31] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za 
[16:31] <Gotango> php, python, javascript , css , html . I'm into mobile apps now so i will stick to that and a bit of web design too
[16:31] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos
[16:32] <Trixar_za> Well considering the javascript nature of many of the Windows 8 apps, that might be a good market to get into
[16:34] <Gotango> Hey Trixar_za , yeah web apps are the future. Hope the speed of javascript gets better though
[16:35] <Gotango> I dont care about windows 8 though. Android , IOS, Ubuntu touch, type of OS's are fine for me
[16:37] <Trixar_za> Well, Javascript's speed is dependent on the Js engine the browser is using - amongst other things - like the speed of the connection, the computer and how long it takes to get the script and run it, which is why minimization is so important
[16:41] <Gotango> Thats if you load the whole site from a website. I like offline apps that got all the libraries already built in.Much easier to work with the app
[16:48] <Trixar_za> You'd be surprised. There are certain limitations. For example http://trixarian.net/demo/ - It's JavaScript based, but won't run locally without creating a web server for it.
[16:55] <Gotango> Sounds like nodejs. My apps are less resource intensive, i like the "simple but rich" style of software design. 
[17:38] <Kilos> inetpro, 
[17:39] <Kilos> ideas please
[17:39] <Kilos> how do i only remove unneccesary packages from archives
[17:40] <Kilos> if i can get the needed ones only to stay then the remastersys dvd will be upgraded properly and have packages in archives too
[17:40] <Kilos> apt-get clean?
[17:44] <Kilos> like i have 9.1g of saved packages but thats all of them
[17:46] <Kilos> hi psychicist 
[17:49] <inetpro> Kilos: no
[17:49] <Kilos> no?
[17:49] <inetpro> well,...
[17:49] <Kilos> eeeeek
[17:50] <inetpro> man apt-get
[17:50] <Kilos> like can one copy only installed packages somewhere
[17:50] <Kilos> ai!
[17:50] <inetpro> clean clears out the local repository of retrieved package files
[17:50] <Kilos> sigh
[17:50] <inetpro> It removes everything but the lock file from /var/cache/apt/archives/ and /var/cache/apt/archives/partial/
[17:52] <inetpro> look at autoclean
[17:52] <inetpro> it only removes package files that can no longer be downloaded, and are largely useless
[17:53] <inetpro> always consult the man pages
[17:54] <Kilos> ai!
[17:54] <Kilos> then i always need you to explain things man
[17:54] <Kilos> commands i copy paste somewhere
[17:55] <inetpro> Kilos: man pages become easier to read as you learn
[17:55] <Kilos> lol you been saying that for years
[17:55] <inetpro> don't expect to know everything at once
[17:56] <Kilos> and everytime i look at them i get older
[17:56] <inetpro> lol
[18:02] <inetpro> Kilos: in kubuntu you can also read man pages in your rekonq browser by typing the url as follows: man:/apt-get
[18:02] <Kilos> ai!
[18:02] <Kilos> man pages are for clever peeps man
[18:02] <inetpro> in fact you can just do that in the launcher
[18:03] <inetpro> no man, they were written by normal people
[18:03] <Kilos> ya with geek heads and training
[18:04] <inetpro> training?
[18:04] <Kilos> years of working with scripts and stuff
[18:04] <inetpro> anyone can get involved in writing man pages
[18:05] <Kilos> i can use sudo and apt-get and aptitude to do normal stuff like installs and remove and purge
[18:05] <Kilos> this is more involved what i wanna do now
[18:05] <inetpro> keep reading those man pages and explore other options
[18:06] <Kilos> cant send the man an install cd and then he needs 400m of upgrades
[18:07] <Kilos> jy kan bly wees die hael en koue het vrugte uitgeroei anders het ek nou n vrot perske na jou gegooi
[18:07] <inetpro> :-)
[18:08] <inetpro> ok, ok... sorry oom
[18:08] <Kilos> :-)
[18:10] <inetpro> I'll be honest, these frequent updates can be very frustrating 
[18:11] <inetpro> but make no mistake, there's a lot of effort that goes into shipping a stable release
[18:11] <superfly> don't try debian unstable then
[18:12] <inetpro> superfly: I remember when Ubuntu was born, if I remember correctly that was one of the first things Mark Shuttleworth tried to address 
[18:13] <inetpro> one of the hot debates was exactly around shipping a usable release on a single CD
[18:16] <Kilos> todays upgrade was only 4 meg
[18:16] <Kilos> lekker
[18:18] <inetpro> the thing is you can't control Linux developers
[18:19] <inetpro> it's one massive world of freedom
[18:19] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:19] <Kilos> my maverick still works kiff you know
[18:20] <Kilos> pity i didnt do a remastersys back then. full install with no data used for upgrades
[18:24] <Kilos> inetpro, is that apt-get autoremove a bit like what i need
[18:25] <Kilos> or only dependancies
[18:25] <inetpro> Kilos: I haven't tried it but if I look at the man page, it looks like what you need
[18:26] <Kilos> ok lemme go copy packs to archives then try it
[18:26] <Kilos> on other pc of course
[18:27] <inetpro> Kilos: remember, some packages get updated repeatedly, each update has a unique package file
[18:27] <inetpro> you only need the latest
[18:27] <Kilos> ya thats what i want to try save in archives
[18:27] <inetpro> I think autoclean will sort that out
[18:28] <Kilos> i got everything from first 12.04 update
[18:28] <Kilos> no man it also empties everything apart from 500m or so
[18:28] <inetpro> do a 'apt-get update' before you clean
[18:29] <inetpro> before you autoclean
[18:29] <inetpro> Kilos: so maybe 500m is all you need
[18:30] <Kilos> oh ya maybe
[18:30] <Kilos> me tries that ty sir
[18:33] <inetpro> Kilos: obviously it may also delete packages that you installed at some point and forgot to install on your latest installation
[18:33] <Kilos> oh ya
[18:33] <Kilos> Gotango, you making me gray
[18:34] <inetpro> Kilos: Gotango from the US?
[18:34] <Kilos> ceres
[18:34] <Kilos> he will owe me lotsa fruit drinks after all of this
[18:34] <inetpro> gray: US spelling of grey
[18:35] <Kilos> i like yellow peach
[18:35] <Kilos> no man grey is when you nearly white
[18:35] <Kilos> gray is when there is still some colour
[18:36] <inetpro> hmm... ok
[18:38] <Kilos> dont start googling it im just joking
[18:38] <Kilos> gray is the right spelling
[18:38] <Gotango> lol Kilos :)
[18:38] <Gotango> you dont have to do all this though
[18:39] <Kilos> i know i dont, but i also know what its like to batlle
[18:39] <Gotango> i'm fine with windows for a while, atleast until i can switch to ubuntu
[18:39] <Kilos> and the pleasure one gets out of being helped
[18:39] <Kilos> no one is fine with windows
[18:40] <Gotango> Aww thats kind man  :)
[18:40] <Kilos> will most likely take a week or 2 anyway before sis goes to town. she is arriving at airport on sunday from namibia
[18:40] <Gotango> Yeah windows gives some minor headaches 
[18:41] <Gotango> oh nice, hope she enjoyed the holiday 
[18:43] <Kilos> she actually rested less because she helped her daughter with running guest houses and garage and shop and i dunno what else
[18:43] <inetpro> surely someone else close to Ceres is also using Ubuntu already?
[18:44] <Kilos> maybe inetpro but how do you find them
[18:44] <Kilos> oh library
[18:44] <Gotango> Thats great Kilos :)
[18:44] <Kilos> Gotango, you got a library near
[18:44] <inetpro> Kilos: just talk to superfly, he has many buddies there :-)
[18:44] <Kilos> lol
[18:45] <Gotango> Nope inetpro i dunno anyone here who got ubuntu
[18:45] <inetpro> Gotango: it's less than 2 hours from Cape Town man
[18:45] <Kilos> dont libraries let you use their internet connection
[18:45] <Kilos> transport costs inetpro 
[18:46] <Gotango> Yeah the library in town, but their pc's have been down for more then a year
[18:46] <Kilos> then offer to fix them man
[18:46] <inetpro> but someone can drive to the beautiful valleys for the fun of it
[18:46] <Kilos> i can help with that
[18:46] <Kilos> some peeps work
[18:47] <Gotango> sounds like alot of work for an unemployed electrician lol
[18:47] <Kilos> no man go see them and take lappy with and we see what can be done
[18:48] <Kilos> never be afraid of work
[18:48] <Gotango> Just for a CD, though its kinda silly to go all the way to Capetown for it
[18:48] <Kilos> if you can fix it next time theyll call you and you can charge
[18:48] <inetpro> anyway I do think Kilos is the right guy to talk to when it comes to using minimal data
[18:49] <Kilos> Gotango, go tomorrow to the library and offer to fix their system
[18:49] <Gotango> Nope its a bunch of sour old people running that library. They wont even greet anyone
[18:50] <Kilos> faint heart never won fair maiden
[18:50] <Kilos> i like old peeps
[18:50] <inetpro> Gotango: by the way, have you tried using Telkom Mobile in stead of CellC?
[18:51] <inetpro> may be cheaper
[18:51] <Kilos> you will be surprised at how nice they become when they see you can fix things for them
[18:52] <Gotango> Cellc is cheaper for me inetpro, Telkom mobile is about twice the price in data
[18:52] <Kilos> no man R149 nfor 3g
[18:52] <Gotango> believe me Kilos they are rude as hell 
[18:52] <inetpro> Gotango: what package are you on?
[18:52] <Kilos> ai!
[18:53] <Kilos> oh also telkom has a promo 
[18:53] <Gotango> they wont let anyone who isnt a qualified professional touch their stuff
[18:53] <Kilos> if you buy a starter pack you get free 200m data monthly for a year
[18:53] <Kilos> R49
[18:53] <inetpro> taht is cheap ^^
[18:53] <inetpro> that*
[18:54] <Kilos> 2 off them is 400m data monthly for a year
[18:54] <Gotango> I will look into telkom mobile ty inetpro and Kilos :)
[18:54] <Kilos> im looking forward to teaching you ubuntu
[18:54] <Kilos> hehe
[18:54] <Kilos> where is this and that
[18:54] <Gotango> If it can wake up my 3g on this usb modem then i will stick with Telkom mobile
[18:54] <Kilos> haha
[18:55] <Gotango> lol :)
[18:55] <Kilos> is it branded?
[18:55] <Kilos> ya to cellc hey
[18:55] <Kilos> ai!
[18:55] <Kilos> more hacking
[18:56] <Gotango> Its unlocked sorry Kilos i gave the wrong info yesterday
[18:56] <Kilos> ve haf vays und means ya
[18:56] <Kilos> aha
[18:56] <Gotango> Its a kanguru stick i got from portugal 
[18:57] <Gotango> Are you sure its possible to disable all automatic updates for ubuntu ?
[18:57] <Kilos> i used lots of data getting the unlock codes for a arab modem
[18:58] <Kilos> yes man
[18:58] <inetpro> Gotango: Ubuntu doesn't do automatic updates by default 
[18:58] <Gotango> oh okay ty
[18:58] <Kilos> but remember that every update improves ubuntu and makes it safer
[18:58] <inetpro> all it does is it checks for updates, ala apt-get update style
[18:59] <Kilos> i have mine turned off and only upgrade with night surfer after 11pm
[18:59] <Gotango> I dont care about safety though , i know how to tread lightly :)
[18:59] <Kilos> via command line
[18:59] <inetpro> but you can even disable that, unless something changed now that I am not aware of
[18:59] <Kilos> not just that there is software that gets improved and made smaller and faster
[19:00] <Gotango> okay sounds good Kilos
[19:00] <Kilos> 12.04 you stop updates in update manager
[19:01] <Gotango> Well i just want an OS . If i wana upgrade something i can do it in my own time
[19:01] <Gotango> Aah perfect :)
[19:01] <Kilos> you dont understand
[19:01] <Kilos> linux needs the first update/upgrade to make everything work properly
[19:02] <Gotango> yeah i know,
[19:02] <Gotango> you told me
[19:02] <inetpro> Kilos: really?
[19:02] <Kilos> i thought you listened with your blocked ear
[19:03] <inetpro> Kilos: what happens if you don't run the update at all?
[19:03] <Kilos> yes inetpro try a clean install from a cd and try do everything without updating
[19:03] <Gotango> I mean like after all the basic default stuff is upgraded , i want to disable every update and in future update when i feel like it
[19:03] <Kilos> lots of stuff hangs instead of working
[19:03] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm... 
[19:04] <Kilos> yes Gotango you can do that
[19:04] <Gotango> :)
[19:04] <Kilos> ill try get everything upgraded as far as possible on the dvd
[19:04] <Gotango> Great teacher you are Kilos 
[19:05] <Kilos> ill help anyone to leave windows
[19:05] <inetpro> Kilos: I've never had the need to do a offline installation but I'm sure it should just work
[19:05] <Kilos> everything doesnt inetpro 
[19:05] <inetpro> ai!
[19:06] <inetpro> that's bad
[19:06] <Kilos> those first updates do important work
[19:06] <Kilos> like thunderbird is a default install but it dont work
[19:07] <inetpro> Kilos: oh that is obvious
[19:07] <Kilos> the answer would be to get 12.04.4 and install that
[19:07] <Kilos> why?
[19:07] <Kilos> also gwibber
[19:08] <inetpro> thunderbird is one of those packages that need frequent updating just like firefox
[19:08] <Kilos> first update does big work
[19:09] <Gotango> hmm it would be so much easier if one could choose from a list of programs you wana install , instead of the default software
[19:09] <Kilos> you can
[19:10] <Kilos> you do a basic install then from cli remove what you dont want then do an update
[19:10] <Gotango> Like i dont need thunderbird. I got various different places i check my mail
[19:10] <Gotango> oh
[19:11] <Gotango> interesting
[19:11] <Kilos> i have evolution installed . it gets all my mail from gmail yahoo hotmail etc
[19:12] <Kilos> i dont got to mail sites because that eats data
[19:12] <Kilos> evo only fetches new mail
[19:12] <Gotango> yeah true
[19:13] <Gotango> Well i will like to have no programs at all installed on the first run of ubuntu, is that possible ?
[19:13] <Kilos> i have tried just about everything to cut data use
[19:13] <Gotango> me to lol :)
[19:13] <Kilos> the remastersys dvd will have everything i have installed
[19:14] <Kilos> vlc is important
[19:14] <Kilos> and pidgin and xchat
[19:14] <Gotango> oh okay
[19:14] <Gotango> i can irc on pidgin 
[19:14] <Kilos> thats hard work xchat is better
[19:14] <Gotango> I got facebook chat there too
[19:15] <inetpro> Kilos: oh now, please don't boost evolution here, not an example of good software
[19:15] <Kilos> oh a dvd from me will give you 10 workspaces too
[19:15] <Kilos> evo is working kiff here inetpro 
[19:15] <inetpro> ai!
[19:16] <Kilos> no slower than thunderbird and has more options like built in backup of mail accounts etc
[19:16] <Gotango> okay cool , hope it works
[19:16] <Kilos> thuinderbord cant do that
[19:16] <inetpro> ok I'll admit, I haven't used it for a long long time, but it used to be extremely buggy and bloated
[19:16] <Kilos> nope its perfect now
[19:16]  * inetpro hates bloatware 
[19:16] <Kilos> just slow to open
[19:17] <Kilos> once open you dont know its there on its own workspace
[19:17] <Kilos> Gotango, you know about extra workspaces>?
[19:18] <Gotango> yep i do 
[19:18] <Kilos> you peeps and all your chatting keep me outa bed
[19:19] <Gotango> goodness! i saw the linux drivers for my Gcard is over 100MB :0
[19:19] <Kilos> whats a gcard
[19:20] <Gotango> What a nightmare Graphics card
[19:20] <Kilos> if you use 2d then you wont need that
[19:20] <Gotango> ubuntu looks more distant now damn!
[19:20] <Kilos> no man
[19:20] <Kilos> ai!
[19:21] <Kilos> ek sukkel darem
[19:21] <superfly> Gotango: what graphics card?
[19:21] <Gotango> But dont linux need specific drivers to run graphics ?
[19:21] <Kilos> ubuntu runs without installing things like that
[19:21] <Kilos> it has built in drivers
[19:21] <Gotango> like windows needs specific drivers 
[19:21] <inetpro> ai!
[19:22] <Kilos> not same
[19:22] <Gotango> oh okay that good
[19:22] <inetpro> all depends
[19:22] <Gotango> its an ATi radeon from 2009 superfly
[19:23] <Gotango> I just want 2D no 3D effects 
[19:23] <superfly> Gotango: I'd try the open source drivers, they should work fine and they're included in the installation
[19:23] <Kilos> nouvea should run it
[19:23] <Gotango> I dont play games at all 
[19:23] <Kilos> hmm...
[19:24] <Gotango> okay thats good to hear superfly ty :)
[19:24] <Kilos> ubuntu rocks
[19:24]  * Gotango feels ubuntu moving closer now
[19:25] <Gotango> Just all the issues i read in the forums got me paranoid that ubuntu may break on me lol
[19:26] <Gotango> But when you get to know it you learn to like it 
[19:26] <inetpro> Gotango: remember one thing, it's a massively diverse user base out there
[19:26] <Kilos> do you know what web design apps you gonna use
[19:27] <inetpro> you can't trust everything you read
[19:27] <Kilos> ya dont install stuff from sites
[19:27] <Kilos> first ask here
[19:27] <Gotango> Yeah inetpro it gets clearer all the time
[19:28] <Kilos> the fly will jump on you if you crash ubuntu
[19:28] <superfly> Gotango: so tell me why people would post on the forums if their system works properly? what motivation do they have?
[19:28] <Gotango> Nope Kilos i will use the same software i use in windows
[19:28] <Kilos> you cant man
[19:28] <Gotango> Its all trusted sites no worries
[19:28] <Kilos> windows stuff dont work here
[19:29] <Gotango> lol the linux versions of them :)
[19:29] <Kilos> you need linux equivalents
[19:29] <Kilos> aha
[19:29] <Kilos> good man
[19:29] <Kilos> ok guys i go sleep now
[19:29] <Kilos> sleep tight all
[19:29] <Kilos> see ya morrow
[19:30] <Gotango> I guess they wana learn more about using the system superfly
[19:30] <Gotango> Night night Kilos , take care :)
[19:31] <Kilos> will do ty. will start uninstalling nvidia stuff etc tomorrow
[19:35] <Kilos> inetpro, 
[19:35] <Kilos> sorry man
[19:35] <inetpro> Kilos: yep?
[19:35] <Kilos> http://askubuntu.com/questions/62340/how-to-copy-an-ubuntu-install-from-one-laptop-to-another
[19:35] <Kilos> \look about 1/4 way down
[19:35] <Kilos> your installed packages
[19:36] <Kilos> will that save what you have installed only
[19:41] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm... I really don't know
[19:41] <inetpro> but looks like it could work as well
[19:41] <Kilos> ok ty ill try it tomorrow
[19:42] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:45] <inetpro> Gotango: by the way, Linux is compatible with more hardware than any other OS
[19:47] <Gotango> Aah thats great to know inetpro ty :)
[19:48] <inetpro> and might even be faster than the shiny new system with Windows
[19:50] <Gotango> I'm sure it wont be as Ram hungry as windows, atleast i hope so
[20:00] <Gotango> Take care guys , ty for the info , its much appritiated :)