[00:00] <fpghost84> WhatIsTheMatrix: who knows
[00:00] <Teleport> michael__ I did 3-4 times
[00:00] <michael__> Can I have the model number so I can look up it's specs please Teleport?
[00:00] <WhatIsTheMatrix> fpghost84: you  can always do the 'sudo aticonfig --initial'  it'll just make a new file and a backup copy of your current one.
[00:00] <Teleport> michael__ I can see the live data with the led btw so its not dead
[00:00] <Teleport> michael__ sec
[00:00] <fpghost84> WhatIsTheMatrix: OK, I'll give that a blast
[00:00] <fpghost84> thanks for the help
[00:01] <Teleport> michael__ iRiver T8
[00:01] <WhatIsTheMatrix> fpghost84: you're welcome. good luck!
[00:02] <sybariten> so...  where should i look for apt-get-update-problems? it seems as if its trying to get this:   http://archive.ubuntu.com maverick/main i386 Packages
[00:02] <michael__> Can you give me the exact model number?  They have different models
[00:03] <michael__> I have to go, I will be back in a few minutes
[00:03] <Teleport> michael__ its 4g
[00:03] <glitsj16> sybariten: if you are using the maverick repos it's no surprise that 404's, maverick has been eol quite a while now..
[00:04] <sybariten> glitsj16: hm, ok, any suggestions what i should do?
[00:04] <glitsj16> sybariten: are you actually using maverick ?
[00:04] <Bashing-om>  sybariten; maverick has reached End Of Life, and that repository is no longer in existence. Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file and remove that "fetch".
[00:05] <sybariten> glitsj16: i am unsure.
[00:05] <sybariten> any decent way of checking? I should see it when i ssh in to the machien shouldnt i
[00:05] <glitsj16> sybariten: what's the output of 'cat /etc/issue' ?
[00:05] <sybariten> 10.l10
[00:05] <sybariten> 10.10
[00:06] <glitsj16> sybariten: that confirms it yes, so i'd suggest upgrading your system to a more recent and supported ubuntu
[00:06] <Teleport> once I attached my usb drive I got auto-mount, but other times not, its a 4g iRiver T8 mp3player NTFS
[00:06] <Teleport> anyone?
[00:07] <sybariten> glitsj16: and what about Bashing-om's suggestion, is that a short-term soultion?
[00:07] <glitsj16> sybariten: anyone who still rents out virtual servers running maverick isn't exactly 'up to snuff' if you want my opinion
[00:07] <michael__> I am back
[00:08] <WhatIsTheMatrix> wb
[00:08] <Teleport> michael__ iRiver T8 4G
[00:08] <michael__> @Teleport Are you still here/do you still need help?
[00:08] <sybariten> this is a cirtual machine, i am unsure how OS updates works there... i am renting the machine. "they" installed the ubuntu verison originally
[00:08] <uBUXUBu> iive heard the altough buntu does read ntfs they sometimes dont play well together
[00:08] <sybariten> glitsj16: its the cheapest solution in europe i think
[00:08] <xangua> bashing
[00:08] <Teleport> michael__ ofc
[00:09] <glitsj16> sybariten: in my opinion no, but Bashing-om might have other arguments
[00:09] <michael__> Ok, the specs are japanese, not gonna try reading that
[00:09] <Bashing-om>  sybariten; As you are running 10.10 .. there is no short term solution. as advised. best fastest thing is a clean install of a supported version.
[00:09] <Teleport> michael__ what happens if you take it out without an eject
[00:09] <michael__> Teleport, can you give me a pastebin of lsusb with it plugged in, and without?
[00:09] <glitsj16> sybariten: i'd contact your sysadmin asap
[00:09] <Teleport> michael__ cause data works
[00:09] <Teleport> michael__ asap
[00:09] <ramborocks> how di see channels i favorited in the past
[00:10] <michael__> @Teleport, ejecting syncs the caches with the filesystem to ensure everything is written to the disk
[00:10] <michael__> When you shut down, it will do that anyway
[00:10] <sybariten> glitsj16: hm.
[00:10] <sybariten> and all of this, because i wanted to install the package "pdftk"
[00:10] <michael__> Teleport, can you give me a pastebin of lsusb with it plugged in, and without?
[00:10] <Teleport> michael__ http://paste.ubuntu.com/6642695/
[00:10] <glitsj16> sybariten: whether critical or otherwise, the OS has no longer any security/update capability
[00:11] <michael__> is this with or without?
[00:11] <Teleport> michael__ its plugged in already
[00:11] <sybariten> glitsj16: i understand the problematics, im just trying to think of how to solve it
[00:11] <michael__> ok, take it out and give another pastebin please
[00:11] <Teleport> michael__ maybe the usb drive in a wrong phase
[00:12] <glitsj16> sybariten: i don't think you have much options if the renting service doesn't upgrade your virtual server
[00:12] <Teleport> michael__ http://paste.ubuntu.com/6642700/
[00:12] <ramborocks> how do i see my favorites in xchat
[00:12] <michael__> These are identical
[00:13] <michael__> You tried restarting the computer?
[00:13] <michael__> Did you try restarting the device itself?
[00:13] <Teleport> michael__ yes
[00:13] <sybariten> glitsj16: i dont know how these things typically work. Does a dist-upgrade require physical access to the machine? Even if no, do i risk ending up in a loop where ive fucked up the boot, or something ?
[00:13] <Teleport> michael__ doing
[00:13] <glitsj16> sybariten: i realize you're looking ointo a (temp) fix, but as you probably cannot take an upgrade action by yourself it's either rent somewhere else or contact them
[00:13] <michael__> which question is that yes for?
[00:14] <Teleport> michael__ 2nd
[00:14] <Teleport> michael__ nothin again
[00:14] <Bashing-om>  sybariten; There is a means to update online, but it is not at allrecommended, too much has changed from version 10.10 to even the current LTS 12.04  to even give it serious consideration; Mabe as a means of last resort. The Recommnded path is to burn a DVD from the .iso image and do a clean install.
[00:15] <michael__> Apologies, my internet just went out
[00:15] <sybariten> Bashing-om: hm, interesting. I see.
[00:15] <michael__> @Teleport, did you try restarting the device itself?
[00:15] <Teleport> michael__ 2nd
[00:15] <Teleport> michael__ nothin again
[00:15] <sybariten> OK i'll see what they say on the site
[00:15] <glitsj16> sybariten: no physical access rquired no, but you would have to make several painfull and potentially buggy jumps to get from 10.10 over 11.04 over 11.10 to a stable 12.04 ..
[00:15] <Teleport> michael__ ive tried both restarting pc and the device
[00:15] <Teleport> michael__ still nothing
[00:16] <michael__> Is it listed in lsblk?
[00:16] <Teleport> michael__ 2 device atm
[00:16] <Teleport> michael__ one sda1 with no name
[00:16] <vfw> sybariten: I concur, fresh install is your best bet.  If you have files you want to save, back them up and restore afterwards.
[00:17] <michael__> What are the sizes?
[00:17] <Teleport> michael__ one hard drive with label
[00:17] <Teleport> michael__ both 1TB
[00:17] <Teleport> michael__ main hard + external hard
[00:17] <michael__> Ok, neither of those are your 4GB drive then
[00:18] <michael__> Are you trying to open it on the same computer that it worked on earlier?
[00:18] <ewook> does dmesg register that you inserted anything?
[00:18] <Teleport> ewook @ me?
[00:18] <sybariten> vfw: its a rented virtual machine so i'm guessing i cant do a fresh install just like that, but i'll contact the people in charge....
[00:18] <ewook> Teleport: yes, sorry.
[00:18] <michael__> Do what ewook said
[00:18] <Teleport> michael__ not atm
[00:18] <sybariten> (even if im root)
[00:18] <Teleport> ewook asap
[00:18] <michael__> I didn't think of checking logs, silly me
[00:19] <Teleport> ewook want pastebin?
[00:19] <vfw> sybariten: I see.  Well that is a horse of a different color.  :)
[00:19] <ewook> Teleport: shoot
[00:19] <Teleport> ewook wtf = log cant paste
[00:20] <DE> tho i run my cpu on linux pepperment since no ones in that chat room would some one help me
[00:20] <ewook> Teleport: use right-click copy and right-click paste.
[00:20] <Teleport> ewook http://paste.ubuntu.com/6642727/
[00:20] <Teleport> check
[00:20] <ramborocks> i cant get my drive to give me permissions to change it
[00:20] <ramborocks> im trying to give 'others' read permission
[00:20] <Teleport> ewook I meant its too many
[00:20] <glitsj16> sybariten: and follow vfw's very good advice to get a backup
[00:21] <Bashing-om>  sybariten; Yeah, rented machine .. it is thier resposibility to provide a secure system .. 10.10 no longer enjoys that ! The latest version (short term) is 13.10 .. the next Long Term Support is due out next April as version 14.04.
[00:21] <vfw> ramborocks: Read access to ____________________ ?
[00:21] <ramborocks> its a external drive im trying to get to be read over the network
[00:21] <ewook> Teleport: what drive am I looking for?
[00:21] <Teleport> michael__ brb on another pc (trying to wake that up :p)
[00:21] <ramborocks> specifically plex
[00:21] <vfw> ramborocks: Have you determined if it is a hardware or software issue?
[00:22] <Teleport> ewook iRiver T8 4G
[00:22] <vfw> ramborocks: mount | pastebinit #We will look and see.
[00:22] <ramborocks> im pretty sure its a hardware issue. Because was reading up and tried doing the chmod and giving o+r access
[00:22] <ramborocks> im quite new but im totally stumped
[00:22] <vfw> ramborocks: What kind of Hard Drive is it?
[00:22] <ewook> Teleport: sorry mate, can't really find it there.
[00:23] <ldiamond> I am trying to share a directory which resides in my home directory with other users. What's the simplest way? (I tried to setup a ldiamond-shared group and add everyone I want to share with to the group but they can't access it still)
[00:23] <ewook> Teleport: I see a passport-drive, and that is about it.
[00:23] <ramborocks> external western digital . its formated in ntfs
[00:23] <vfw> ramborocks: I did not ask the brand, but the type.
[00:23] <ewook> ldiamond: what protocol?
[00:23] <vfw> ramborocks: Is this a desktop or laptop or... _____________?
[00:23] <ramborocks> desktop
[00:24] <ldiamond> ewook, local users
[00:24] <Teleport> ramborocks and ewook thats a external drive works fine on usb 3 but the usb flash drive doesnt
[00:24] <vfw> ramborocks: And is it a conventional hard drive?  (Not ssd?_
[00:24] <ldiamond> I'll mount using sshfs probably
[00:24] <ewook> ldiamond: ? you are sharing with local users, why don't you simply change the permissions instead?
[00:24] <constl> Hello, I'm trying to install Glances according to http://askubuntu.com/questions/293426/system-monitoring-tools-for-ubuntu but i get some errors. I've tried git cloning and building from source and also download pre-compiled binaries from the author's PPA but with no luck. Any help appreciated!
[00:25] <vfw> ramborocks:  If you will share with us the output of mount, we might be able to give you specific advise.
[00:25] <michael__> Ewook
[00:25] <ldiamond> ewook, even if I change the permission, doesn't work
[00:25] <michael__> On teleport's pastebin, line 245 does not correspond to any known manufacturer
[00:25] <ldiamond> suppose I make ~/shared, chmod o+r ~/shared
[00:25] <ldiamond> sudo su - otheruser
[00:25] <ldiamond> cd /home/ldiamond/shared
[00:25] <ldiamond> denied.
[00:26] <ewook> michael__: yes?
[00:26] <michael__> On teleport's pastebin, line 245 does not correspond to any known manufacturer
[00:26] <ramborocks> im not sure what is junk and whats not .. http://pastebin.com/saANubSx
[00:26] <michael__> At least when I look up the vendor id
[00:26] <ramborocks> im trying to get Juggernaunt1 to be read
[00:26] <ewook> ldiamond: do it easy then - create a symlink to a dir at a lower level after changing the permissions.
[00:27] <vfw> ramborocks: Is it sdb1 or sdc1 ?
[00:27] <ramborocks> sdc1
[00:27] <vfw> ramborocks: So, the mount point is /media/chad/Juggernaunt1  Right?
[00:27] <Eromej> Hello, how to fix the cryptswap mount error message on boot ? I used this fix http://askubuntu.com/questions/341979/what-to-do-about-the-disk-drive-for-dev-mapper-cryptswap1-is-not-ready-yet-or but didn't work
[00:28] <ewook> michael__: oh, well.. that registers as a joystick.
[00:28] <Teleport> michael__ ssl
[00:28] <ewook> michael__: dev id matches a few lines down.
[00:28] <vfw> ramborocks: It appears to be mounted rw
[00:28] <Teleport> michael__ sorry I was on another pc
[00:28] <michael__> Teleport, do you happen to have a USB joystick plugged in?
[00:28] <Teleport> michael__ gotta check on win
[00:29] <ldiamond> ewook, still not working
[00:29] <Teleport> michael__ no joystick here, 2 MIDI Keyboards
[00:29] <ewook> ah.
[00:29] <ramborocks> it wont let me change permissions though
[00:29] <ewook> Teleport: that would be a "joystick" then :p.
[00:29] <michael__> That's probably it then
[00:29] <vfw> ramborocks: touch /media/chad/Juggernaunt1/test-file ; ls /media/chad/Juggernaunt1/test-file   #For a test
[00:29] <Eromej> (Gparted still displays my swap partition as "unknown" despite me formatting twice already)
[00:29] <ewook> ldiamond: odd. how are your users trying to access the area?
[00:29] <vfw> ramborocks: ... or see what error you get.
[00:29] <ldiamond> just cd to it
[00:29] <michael__> Ewook, it registered a keyboard on line 236
[00:30] <ewook> michael__: yepp.
[00:30] <michael__> and 252
[00:30] <ewook> Teleport: erhm... might I ask you to perhaps unplug a couple of devs from usb and stuff, and replugging the usb drive?
[00:31] <ramborocks> chad@RamboDesktop:~$
[00:31] <ramborocks> opps
[00:31] <Teleport> ewook  yes two joystick "i play super mac mac :P"
[00:31] <ramborocks> it didnt give an error
[00:31] <Teleport> ewook asap sir
[00:31] <sybariten> anybody care to split me up a pdf file? You will need to do some steps, like ULing to a site or archiving etc
[00:31] <sybariten> and wgetting
[00:32] <fragmer> Hello! I run 12.04 LTS, and I need a newer version of a package ('subversion' 1.7+). These new versions are only be available via apt-get for quantal/raring/saucy. What's the best way to install one of those newer packages (e.g. http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/subversion ) on my 12.04 system? And is that a good idea at all?
[00:33] <vfw> ramborocks: Then it would appear that you are indeed able to write to the drive.
[00:33] <michael__> @fragmer, you can build from source
[00:33] <ramborocks> thats whats weird is it wont let me read it on my plex server
[00:33] <john_doe_jr> What does the 'bs' and 'count' command mean in the following command: "dd if=/dev/zero of=/test.file bs=4M count=1000"
[00:33] <ewook> fragmer: depending on the dependencies.. ouchie..
[00:33] <john_doe_jr> ?
[00:33] <ramborocks> and it wont let me change the permissions
[00:33] <sideup66> hello room
[00:34] <sideup66> im back
[00:34] <ewook> john_doe_jr: bs = bit size, count urr...
[00:34] <vfw> ramborocks: YOu do not change permissions to ntfs file systems.
[00:34] <sideup66> glitsj16: are you still around
[00:34] <anonymous_> Hello everyone
[00:34] <Teleport> ewook found wtf?
[00:34] <sideup66> I did some playing around with the commands you mentioned and it appears to me that the devices are indeed interferring
[00:34] <john_doe_jr> ewook: what does bit size mean though?  and count?
[00:34] <glitsj16> sideup66: you forgot the verb 'hanging' lol, which is correct :)
[00:35] <ewook> john_doe_jr: bit size is how lage bits to copy each round, count should be how many times it should do it.
[00:35] <ewook> Teleport: aha. Overloading your USB south bridge :P
[00:35] <SaberX01> !backports | fragmer
[00:35] <Teleport> ewook why its workin now?
[00:35] <glitsj16> sideup66: no change in the wifi issue i assume ? or did you try something?
[00:35] <Teleport> ewook LOL
[00:35] <Teleport> ty
[00:35] <ramborocks> ohhh you dont?
[00:35] <ewook> Teleport: get a powered usb hub!
[00:35] <vfw> ramborocks: ... that is, if you are on a Linux system ....  You understand how this works?  It IS an ntfs file system.  Right?
[00:35] <sideup66> lol, my mistake glitsj, I appreciate your help so far, when I tried to disable the device 1, the usb device would indeed go down
[00:35] <ramborocks> what can i do to change that
[00:35] <Teleport> ewook :( me no money
[00:35] <Teleport> ;))
[00:35] <ramborocks> yes im sure of that being a ntfs
[00:35] <john_doe_jr> ewook: how large bits to copy each round? …each round of what?
[00:35] <sideup66> device 2 would also take down the internal one
[00:36] <fragmer> SaberX01: Yes thank you, I have checked precise-backports, but the package I need is not on the list.
[00:36] <vfw> ramborocks: sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdc |pastebinit
[00:36] <fragmer> michael__: Should I uninstall the current version of the package (obtained via apt-get) before building one from source? Or will the newly-built one just overwrite the old one?
[00:36] <sideup66> if I turn off device 2, it shuts off the usb one only
[00:36] <sideup66> therefore, I need to I guess find a way to disable the internal adapter entirely
[00:36] <Teleport> ewook changed 1 usb hub
[00:36] <Teleport> ewook should work
[00:36] <ramborocks> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6642785/
[00:36] <SaberX01> fragmer, then maybe compile from source and use checkinstall to manage it until 1.7+ is on the repos.
[00:36] <michael__> fragmer, set the prefix to /usr/local when installing
[00:37] <Teleport> michael__ solved!
[00:37] <michael__> So I see Teleport
[00:37] <ewook> john_doe_jr: each copy-cycle. I'm not sure I can explain it better, I might even be confusing the answer :p.
[00:37] <Teleport> MAY soooth breadge
[00:37] <michael__> teleport, What exactly did you do, plug it into a different slot?
[00:38] <Teleport> michael__ unplugged all then diff slot
[00:38] <Teleport> but the flash drive is in the old slot
[00:38] <Teleport> so all work together
[00:38] <michael__> It may have been wise to try that before opening irc.
[00:38] <sideup66> that is where I stand
[00:38] <ewook> michael__: lol. no, not really. since one cannot really know how the usb is powered.
[00:39] <sideup66> would that be a fair course of action then or should I disable the one device and reboot
[00:39] <glitsj16> sideup66: that makes sense yes, i mean about what you must try to achive, no clue on why it is doing that .. you have 2 options i can help in, but the channel is c-reading, anyone might chime in with something better .. here goes .. 1) don't hardblock anything with the hardware switch and try software blocking the internal one via rfkill .. or .. 2) try blacklisting the driver of the internal one, which would have the same effect
[00:39] <sideup66> see where things stand
[00:39] <vfw> ramborocks: Yep, it is indeed NTFS  It says ID 7  NTFS
[00:39] <ewook> john_doe_jr: I would like to recommend the wikipedia page on dd, it's is quite a good read!
[00:39] <Teleport> ewook why it happens, i'm not using a poor pc
[00:39] <sideup66> ok, sounds good, let me see what happens soft disabling the internal and rebooting, its a strange issue it is having, most hardware Ive dealt with in linux just worked without anything done
[00:39] <ramborocks> is there any way i can get this to work Id like to share this whole drive.
[00:40] <vfw> ramborocks: NTFS does not have file permissions like we have on our native Linux file systems.
[00:40] <ewook> Teleport: my point exactly. It's all about how the manufacturer chooses to interconnect stuff in your pc.
[00:40] <ramborocks> and.. tip for next time dont format into ntfs
[00:40] <sideup66> I should also actually see if the bios has some disable from it, thus disabling the internal adapter altogether
[00:40] <ewook> Teleport: Some do it right, and have a stable current to all ports, meaning you can plugg stuff in like crazy.
[00:40] <vfw> ramborocks: Well, sure you can share the whole drive.
[00:40] <michael__> @rambor, it likely already was ntfs
[00:40] <Teleport> ewook case's power sux?
[00:40] <ramborocks> i wouldnt mind sharing the whole drive
[00:40] <ewook> Teleport: yeah. sadly, that's the short answer....
[00:40] <glitsj16> sideup66: while you were afk here i found https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rfkill/+bug/588366, which also might be usefull to take a look at, it proposes other possible fixes
[00:40] <vfw> ramborocks: What do you want to share it with?
[00:40] <ramborocks> prefur it
[00:41] <ramborocks> id like to share with everyone
[00:41] <Teleport> ewook true cause it takes a lot of power damnit
[00:41] <vfw> ramborocks: Including me?
[00:41] <sideup66> ok, thanks glitsj! been a great help :)
[00:41] <glitsj16> sideup66: bios disabling would be usefull too yes
[00:41] <ramborocks> its my media drive that i'll use on my smart tv / plex server
[00:41] <Teleport> ewook core i7 with 16g ram
[00:41] <ewook> Teleport: just for fun - check your dmesg for yourself - and try to identify the lines where you plugged in the drive :)
[00:41] <Teleport> and power sux!
[00:41] <ewook> Teleport: well, it's your motherboard mate ;)
[00:41] <ramborocks> lol ok i see what you mean. . yeah just basicly those on my network
[00:41] <Teleport> ewook brb for mainbord spec
[00:41] <sideup66> I think it saw both and somehow tied them together
[00:41] <sideup66> ok brb, going to disable the one and reboot
[00:42] <glitsj16> sideup66: hope one of the options gets you out of trouble, very welcome
[00:42] <vfw> ramborocks: Just joking.  But what you probably want to do is set it to a static mount point first, and then choose how you want to share it, (nfs or samba), and then configure as needed.
[00:43] <vfw> ramborocks: You can use both if you want, (nfs and samba), but you really only need samba if you are sharing with other MS Windows PCs on your LAN.
[00:43] <michael__> I actually have a minor irritation with my fstab someone might be able to help me with
[00:43] <ramborocks> ok
[00:43] <glitsj16> sideup66: exactly, there are quite a few bug reports refering to similar situations, but i took the liberty of only linking that one because it seemed closest to what you are experiencing
[00:43] <ramborocks> samba it is
[00:44] <vfw> ramborocks: So the first thing you'd do is create a mount point and then  get the blkid and create an entry in the /etc/fstab file, then remount it, and then do your nfs or samba configs.
[00:44] <michael__> what options should I use in fstab so that root is not required for mounting the entry, and it does not wait on the device at boot?
[00:44] <ramborocks> are you going to walk me through that? or google and come back?
[00:45] <Teleport> ewook how to obtain mainboard spec via terminal?
[00:45] <ewook> Teleport: lshw
[00:45] <Teleport> lshw
[00:45] <Teleport> ok
[00:45] <ewook> Teleport: sudo lshw
[00:45] <ewook> Teleport:  ;)
[00:45] <Teleport> ewook ofc not that noob
[00:45] <Teleport> :))
[00:45] <ewook> Teleport: Never said you were ;)
[00:46] <ewook> Teleport: but it's easier to be clear in this channel, some miss that part easily ;)
[00:46] <sideup66> ok im back again glitsj16, the bizzare happened
[00:46] <vfw> ramborocks:  ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid
[00:46] <michael__> Teleport, I think a good command for practice right now would be ls /*bin/ls*
[00:46] <sideup66> I disabled the one adapter via software which turned both off
[00:46] <vfw> ramborocks:  ^^^^^ will tell you the blkid
[00:46] <sideup66> upon reboot both turned on ???real strange
[00:47] <vfw> ramborocks:  What is on the drive?
[00:47] <glitsj16> sideup66: heh, complexities do happen
[00:47] <michael__> And then run each with --help
[00:47] <sideup66> I guess next step is to find its driver and just flat out disable lol
[00:47] <glitsj16> sideup66: that's definately worth a shot
[00:47] <Teleport> ewook but noob at hw :p http://paste.ubuntu.com/6642824/
[00:47] <vfw> ramborocks: (How would you want the mount point to appear?) (What name would you want it to be?)
[00:47] <ramborocks> i dont see it im looking for sdc1 still right
[00:48] <vfw> ramborocks: Yep
[00:48] <ramborocks> id like Juggernaunt
[00:48] <sideup66> yes, my logic is linux is somehow confusing the driver with the hard enable/disable switch and trying to control the usb one with that switch, which is made for the internal
[00:48] <sideup66> so turning one off is killing both
[00:48] <vfw> ramborocks: sudo blkid
[00:48] <ramborocks> http://pastebin.com/iHma0VrF
[00:49] <ramborocks> oh ok
[00:49] <glitsj16> sideup66: makes (weird) sense indeed, i hope you can find the internal's driver and blacklist it
[00:49] <vfw> ramborocks: Actually, you don't have to preface it with sudo
[00:49] <ewook> Teleport: kk, nooo worries. I'm just a old hardware junkie ;). Sadly - to figure out the more exact load you can put on each port / controller - a more in depth scematic would be needed...
[00:49] <ewook> Teleport: either way - it is a good idea not to power to much over usb - that's even more clear on laptops.
[00:49] <sideup66> glits: yeah, the wifi in linux is very hodge-podge in my opinion with a few generic drivers powering many devices
[00:49] <ramborocks> http://pastebin.com/kYTndkVB
[00:49] <sideup66> fortunately it shows an artheros device
[00:50] <Teleport> ewook is there any lshw option for only mainboard model?
[00:50] <ramborocks> did you wanna go to pm?
[00:50] <Teleport> ewook im asking you cause want to know if my power sux or not
[00:50] <ramborocks> trying to follow you and all the other chat throwing me off
[00:50] <Teleport> ewook for the whole pc I meant not only the usbs
[00:51] <vfw> ramborocks: So the blkid for /dev/sdc1 is 12C23AD8C23AC031
[00:51] <glitsj16> sideup66: i happen to agree, seen that here before
[00:52] <glitsj16> sideup66: i assume you know your way around blacklisting, if not we can help out
[00:52] <DeSian> hi
[00:52] <sideup66> im trying to find the almighty google to ask about that right now :)
[00:52] <julio> My Wine version (1.6 and all the other either) is running so slowly on Ubuntu 12.04; how ever when I tried Ubuntu 11.10 and 12.10 all the Wine versions works perfect... so what can I do to fix it on Ubuntu 12.04?
[00:52] <ramborocks> ok
[00:52] <vfw> ramborocks: Have you created a mount point yet?  (I always just put it in my /home/vfw/)  Like  mkdir /home/vfw/Movies  or  mkdir /home/vfw/MP3s
[00:53] <sideup66> hm this is weird now oO now xchat is running fine, but nothing else connects
[00:53] <DeSian> why if use other keyboard layout like Kurdish, can't use the Keyboard shortcuts any more?
[00:53] <sideup66> this is fun :D
[00:53] <ramborocks> no ill do that now
[00:53] <ramborocks> just like you just said
[00:53] <glitsj16> :) either add the driver name to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf or add a new file to that dir (make sure the name ends in .conf) just a one-liner in the second case with the correct name for the driver
[00:53] <ramborocks> eh i cant figure out how to make a mount point
[00:54] <ramborocks> im really new...
[00:54] <sideup66> i see and ok
[00:54] <glitsj16> sideup66: one mixed-up wifi you have lol
[00:54] <ramborocks> cd mkdir?
[00:54] <sideup66> I believe i can find it with a modprobe command, and yeah, i think the pc is confused because both cards connected and grabbed their own ips
[00:54] <sideup66> this is one confused system
[00:55] <VlanX> someone else having problems resolving the repository: http://packages.medibuntu.org/dists/quantal  ?
[00:55] <glitsj16> sideup66: you can try to load the internal one only so you can use the lsmod command to see what driver it loads to get at the name for blacklisting
[00:55] <sideup66> good call
[00:56] <sideup66> and thanks i couldnt remember what to enter there
[00:56] <glitsj16> no trouble
[00:56] <xangua> VlanX: medibuntu has been dead for almost a year I believe
[00:56] <Bashing-om>  VlanX; medibuntu is no longer maintained, remove the source and all will be fine.
[00:56] <SaberX01> sideup66, the URL you posted does not resolve here either.
[00:57] <VlanX> how do I remove all dead sources?
[00:57] <sideup66> which one? my pastebins?
[00:57] <glitsj16> sideup66: or do a 'lshw -html > ~/Downloads/my-confused-system.html and open that in your browser, should have the driver in use there as well
[00:57] <SaberX01> sideup66, http://packages.medibuntu.org/dists/quantal does not resolve
[00:58] <WhatIsTheMatrix> VlanX:  i tried that link in my web browser. after a bit it said problem loading page
[00:58] <ramborocks> i think i made a mount point
[00:58] <WhatIsTheMatrix> VlanX Server not found
[00:58] <ramborocks> i followed what you did but did home/chad/movies
[00:58] <VlanX> this is alright, if it's no longer mantained..
[00:58] <sideup66> yeah, im stuck with a spinning wheel, think I need to reboot again
[00:58] <sideup66> brb again
[00:58] <VlanX> just how do i remove the bad/old repos?
[01:00] <glitsj16> SaberX01: that's probably because medibuntu is officially 'dead'
[01:00] <WhatIsTheMatrix> VlanX: you could 'cd /etc/apt' and then make a backup copy of your sources.list file. then edit your sources.list file, as root
[01:00] <Bashing-om>  VlanX; The easiest way is from "Software Sources" and "remove" the source.
[01:00] <SaberX01> VlanX, edit /etc/apt/sources.list  ...remove what you want ... then sudo apt-get autoclean && sudo apt-get clean, then do an update
[01:01] <VlanX> ok thanks guys
[01:01] <WhatIsTheMatrix> good luck
[01:01] <VlanX> but should I not use quantal anymore?
[01:01] <VlanX> what is the most recent LTS now?
[01:01] <VlanX> 13.10?
[01:01] <xangua> VlanX: 12.04 is the latest LTS
[01:02] <VlanX> omg
[01:02] <WhatIsTheMatrix> 14.04 will be LTS when it's released. i'm using it now as testing
[01:02] <VlanX> okay
[01:02] <VlanX> really?
[01:02] <VlanX> how is it?
[01:02] <WhatIsTheMatrix> yes
[01:02] <ramborocks> anyone able to help me edit the fstab with o the blkid for /dev/sdc1 is 12C23AD8C23AC031
[01:02] <ramborocks> im not sure what todo in there
[01:02] <Bashing-om>  VlanX; When that source has been removed, remember to update and upgrade , this updates all the installed packages.
[01:03] <WhatIsTheMatrix> VlanX: so far so good. but it depends on what all you might do with it.
[01:03] <VlanX> did they finally remove the amazon thing? :D
[01:03] <WhatIsTheMatrix> VlanX: i'm just a casual linux user
[01:04] <WhatIsTheMatrix> VlanX: no. but can't you tell it you don't want to be prompted about it again?
[01:04] <VlanX> WhatIsTheMatrix: yeah u can also uninstall that
[01:05] <VlanX> but it's annoying anyways
[01:05] <WhatIsTheMatrix> VlanX: okay. roger that
[01:05] <VlanX> even if i am an amazon user indeed
[01:05] <WhatIsTheMatrix> lol
[01:05] <VlanX> but i dont like the idea of someone enforcing this
[01:05] <VlanX> expecially if linux is meant to be the other way around
[01:05] <VlanX> well anyways
[01:06] <bigbadben> I am trying to play around with my /etc/issue is there a way to see what it will look like when I log on
[01:07] <gdi2k> I am trying to install grub to a raid1 set up from a live CD. I have my raid1 mounted at /mnt/md1 and have chrooted into it. But if I do df it shows as /dev/md0. If I try to grub-install to /dev/md0 it says "no such file or directory". If I try with grub-install /dev/md1, I get "warning: File system `ext2' doesn't support embedding." This is ext4. Any ideas?
[01:07] <WhatIsTheMatrix> VlanX: corporatism in linux.. bleh
[01:09] <sideup66> ok internet works again lol
[01:09] <VlanX> this is weird guys, I'm not finding any *http://packages.medibuntu.org* on my /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:09] <VlanX> ah ok /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list
[01:10] <WhatIsTheMatrix> ahh, roger
[01:10] <Bashing-om> VLanX; you might have that listing in /etc/apt/sources.list.d directory.
[01:10] <VlanX> Bashing-om: right
[01:11] <sideup66> ok ive found the internal card in lshw
[01:11] <glitsj16> sideup66: the Atheros one?
[01:11] <sideup66> what information am I specifically looking for from that device for the modprobe
[01:11] <sideup66> and yes
[01:12] <SaberX01> gdi2k, trying using the app called boot repair to install to your RD1 .. it's PPA.
[01:12] <glitsj16> sideup66: does it show a driver info in lshw output? that's what you need
[01:12] <sideup66> can i pastebin what I found?
[01:12] <glitsj16> sure
[01:12] <gdi2k> SaberX01, I would like to but I am remote via command line only :(
[01:13] <sideup66> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6642920/
[01:13] <sideup66> there you go, Im not sure exactly what Im looking for in that pool of output
[01:13] <SaberX01> gdi2k, Ah,, that not gonna help then :-/
[01:14] <glitsj16> sideup66: driver=ath5k, try that
[01:14] <glitsj16> line 13 of the paste
[01:14] <sideup66> glitsj16: put that in the whole disable bit
[01:15] <sideup66> I see that
[01:15] <glitsj16> sideup66: perhaps do suso modprobe -r ath5k first to confirm and then, make it permanent through adding it to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[01:15] <glitsj16> *sudo
[01:16] <sideup66> oh blacklist.conf looks very simple :)
[01:17] <sideup66> has some pre set entries and they make it simple to understand
[01:17] <glitsj16> indeed, if using the correct name that will take it out surely
[01:17] <ilux> someone vote for me > http://pt-br.polldaddy.com/poll/7673885/
[01:18] <glitsj16> but that will need another reboot, what does sudo modprobe -r ath5k give you?
[01:18] <sideup66> ok modprobe -r did turn off the card :)
[01:19] <sideup66> guess make it permanent and reboot
[01:19] <glitsj16> sideup66: sweet ..
[01:19] <glitsj16> give it a shot
[01:19] <sideup66> if it doesnt come back, i guess just remove the entry in the list and reboot again
[01:20] <glitsj16> correct
[01:20] <sideup66> ok fire in the hole....
[01:20] <glitsj16> :)
[01:23] <whoever> uBUXUBu: what feature are you talkin' about
[01:23] <uBUXUBu> feature?
[01:24] <uBUXUBu> i looked abck in the text..not sure what you mean whoever
[01:24] <sideup66> hmm ok
[01:24] <sideup66> im back
[01:24] <whoever> uBUXUBu: 19:21 < uBUXUBu:##windows> i dont personally need that feature...but techies want it
[01:25] <glitsj16> sideup66: how does the issue stand?
[01:25] <sideup66> and indeed the card stays on :), interesting note is that both cards are on, somehow it reloaded itself after a cold start
[01:25] <sideup66> the usb I mean
[01:25] <sideup66> it holds its connection
[01:25] <glitsj16> sideup66: okay
[01:26] <uBUXUBu> oh my bad i was in windows and they weer telling me off cuz i said msoft should have made it so ppl can boot from 2.0 or 3.0 usb
[01:26] <sideup66> being that daily use of this machine will be bot-like, and always on, I would assume that the connection will be good enough
[01:26] <glitsj16> sideup66: the internal is still on even after blacklisting?
[01:27] <uBUXUBu> and of course they were suddenly arguing on msoft behalf for no good reason no matter what they say it should be done that way
[01:27] <sideup66> hmm strange
[01:28] <sideup66> i entered modprobe -r for the device again but it complains that line 59 has an incorrect syntax
[01:28] <docmur> Is it possible to LVM existing disk partitions full of data?
[01:28] <glitsj16> sideup66: could you paste both /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf and lsmod?
[01:29] <tharkun> docmur: What do you mean by " LVM existing disk partitions"
[01:29] <sideup66> glitsj16: i figured it out
[01:29] <sideup66> i used wrong syntax
[01:29] <sideup66> my mistake
[01:29] <docmur> I have 4 disk, 6 partitions amoung them and I want to have them show up as one large share
[01:29] <glitsj16> sideup66: okay, happens to everyone
[01:30] <glitsj16> i was holding my breath though :p
[01:30] <sideup66> hah, yeah I wrote 'disable' not blacklist
[01:30] <sideup66> oops
[01:30] <glitsj16> better take one of these anti-reboot-sickness pills and try again heh
[01:30] <Sach> Using ubuntu 12.04. How do I uinstall a .bin file that i recently installed?
[01:31] <sideup66> lol, now the command turned it off
[01:31] <sideup66> let me reboot again...
[01:31] <tharkun> sideup66: Reverse the method you used to install it. :)
[01:31] <glitsj16> :) points for tenacity
[01:31] <tharkun> Sach: Reverse the method you used to install it. :)
[01:32] <Sach> tharkun: this is how I installed it: http://pastebin.com/x0Ef3Le6  What do I need to do?
[01:32] <rXmn> I need to build this command: export $var
[01:32] <rXmn> Where $var is NAME=SOMETHING
[01:33] <rXmn> Looping trough a list of envvars i need to export again
[01:34] <ehtesh> is there a way to gather windows from other screens/monitors/workspaces onto one screen?
[01:35] <tharkun> Sach: Go to the website that instructed you to install it and follow the uninstall procedure. According to what you pasted you only need to remove (man rm) the file.
[01:35] <SaberX01> rXmn, may want to look here: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide   ... and here ... http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
[01:35] <Spynxic> Anyone familiar with the share feature built into LibreOffice Calc? I can't seem to figure out how to establish a connection between clients
[01:35] <SaberX01> rXmn, and also ask in #bash
[01:36] <Sach> tharkun: how do I remove man rm?
[01:36] <tharkun> Spynxic: #libreoffice might be more usefull
[01:36] <Spynxic> tharkun: I thought so too
[01:37] <tharkun> Sach: on a shell write man rm and you will see the man page for the command rm It explains better the way it works
[01:37] <rXmn> SaberX01: Doing it with export $(sed...)=$(sed...) xD
[01:38] <SaberX01> rXmn, ok .. makes no difference, you simply exporting a variable and looping through a list of them, how you get $VAR doesn't really matter to the loop.
[01:41] <Blob> how do I install ubuntu using an external cd drive?
[01:42] <Spynxic> Does anyone know how to establish a connection with another computer via telepathy?
[01:42] <Sach> tharkun: it tells me to run "rm -- FILENAME".  Doesnt work
[01:43] <allan1097> Hello
[01:43] <allan1097> Hi
[01:43] <Blob> Spynxic, yes by the internet
[01:44] <BuntuFuntu> Ugh, 1GB ram is stupid
[01:44] <Spynxic> Blob, That's as much as I can find about how to do it. Simply that it works over the internet but I haven't found the slightest documentation
[01:44] <sideup66> ok im back, glitsj16 thanks!
[01:44] <sideup66> it worked :)
[01:44] <BuntuFuntu> I think it's time for me to buy a second RAM stick for this netbook
[01:45] <Blob> Nice Spynxic nice
[01:45] <glitsj16> sideup66: very nice
[01:45] <glitsj16> :)
[01:45] <BuntuFuntu> 2GB RAM
[01:45] <allan1097> I have a problem, Xubuntu and Lubuntu 13.04 and 13.10. When I start the Live CD from USB, at Start I receive a black screen,
[01:45] <sideup66> sorry for delay, i started x wrong and it freaked out for a few minutes while i had to go fight with it
[01:45] <allan1097> I'm from Lubuntu 12.04 LTS
[01:46] <glitsj16> sideup66: it sure is an eventfull night at the sideup66 residence .. no worries
[01:46] <sideup66> yeah xubuntu 12.04 seems to have a small hiccup
[01:47] <glitsj16> sideup66: this might make a nice bugreport too, but i would understand if you passed up on that tonight
[01:47] <Blob> My external cd drive wont show up in the bios
[01:47] <Blob> how do I get the bios to read it
[01:47] <sideup66> for some reason the x server when you disable its autostart gets a bit tempermental when this is done
[01:47] <SaberX01> !nomodeset | allan1097 - may help
[01:47] <daftykins> Blob: connected properly? with a good cable?
[01:47] <Bashing-om> allan1097: What graphics card ?, many times with ATI and Nvidia cards, the boot option "nomedeset" will get ya to where you can install the proper drivers.
[01:47] <sideup66> I have a home server on debian and it leaves x in memory at all times there-- just turns off the gdm service
[01:47] <tharkun> Sach: FILENAME is the name of the file on the current directory or the /full/name/t/the/FILENAME If you are to run linux you will eventually have to learn to read and be able to learn new stuff by your self.
[01:47] <glitsj16> sideup66: indeed, well i hope your connection turns out to prove stable
[01:48] <Blob> Yes daftykins
[01:48] <allan1097> Bashing-om: It is integrated graphics card, VIA/S3G Unichrome PRO IGP - 64MB
[01:48] <sideup66> it does, seems fine so far, just need to dial that in and actually want to track down one more issue concerning the system trying to address somthing in /sdb with write cache or somthing
[01:48] <sideup66> it seems to fail
[01:48] <sideup66> although only one hd exists
[01:49] <daftykins> Blob: are you sure it's set to auto detect? known-good drive?
[01:49] <Bashing-om> allan1097; I may be mistaken, but Lubunti 12.04 has reached End Of Life (??) unlike (u)buntu.
[01:49] <jman> PLEASE HELP:-( my wifi quit working on me. so it works great on all other devices. it connects and dissconnects and if it decides to work takes minutes to load a page and if it don't load it says can't find server. runnin ubuntu 12.04
[01:49] <Spynxic> Blob, How do you manage telepathy connections?
[01:49] <sideup66> btw, to note this machine only runs the desktop on command, I had originally loaded from an image used for a beige, both are dogecoin miners
[01:49] <sideup66> :)
[01:49] <haoyihuan> my asus turns off while running ubuntu13.04 in 10 mins
[01:49] <Blob> daftykins i do not know i will have to check
[01:50] <Blob> Spynxic no clue
[01:50] <glitsj16> sideup66: no shortage of issues, same here .. keeps us on those toes i guess, goodluck (also with the mining)
[01:50] <sideup66> haoyihuan, is it overheating
[01:50] <allan1097> Ohhhh I forgot
[01:50] <sideup66> glitsj16: thanks, doge isnt worth much but it seems to be growing, be nice to have it let me put a down payment on those college loans in a year or so ;)
[01:50] <allan1097> I believe Lubuntu 12.04 is LTS
[01:51] <sideup66> im going to the moon1
[01:51] <sideup66> !
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[01:51] <dimitrilc> AMD/ATI/Intel. Which one do you guys recommend for a triple monitor display?
[01:51] <glitsj16> sideup66: i live in a country that doesn't use study loans system very much, i can fully understand
[01:51] <Framz> Tharkun: Good job helping Sach.  That comment is really showing the spirit of "ubuntu" ...NOT.
[01:51] <dimitrilc> AMD/Nvidia/Intel*
[01:52] <allan1097> What I can do?
[01:52] <sideup66> glitsj16: I see, I wish I went to school in a European country, education seems to matter more there than in my own... ours just worries about the size of a wallet
[01:52] <allan1097> Iḿ using Right now.... Lubuntu 12.04
[01:52] <tharkun> Framz: A fact is a fact. Take it or leave it. Your choice.
[01:53] <glitsj16> sideup66: indeed, and with my 'succes rate' lol, i probably needed that moon to, mars even
[01:53] <Bashing-om> allan1097; worth a shot to see.. try: boot the liveDVD, at the purple splash scrren depress and hold the shift key -> language screen, esc key to acceot the default; -> boot options screen -> f6 key fot preset boot options, arrow down to "nomodeset" space to accept and key combo ctl+x to continue the boot process. advise if you get to a degraded GUI.
[01:54] <sideup66> glitsj16: true... and I think I found the problem on /sdb, looks like somthing wants to talk to the sd reader on here, nothing to read though...
[01:54] <allan1097> I tried
[01:54] <sideup66> sees it as a disk lol, prolly can just disable, for its purpose itll never be used
[01:54] <allan1097> But I can upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10. I activated the
[01:55] <allan1097> and the upgrade is availableç
[01:55] <Bashing-om> allan1097; You mean that you tried to boot with that "nomodeset" option, and it was no good ?
[01:55] <glitsj16> sideup66: can't say i have any experience with sd card readers, but the channel is still awake so put it out there. ehmm here
[01:55] <allan1097> Yes
[01:56] <allan1097> Answer this: If I upgrade to 12.10 this black screen will appear
[01:56] <allan1097> Please
[01:57] <xmetal> ??
[01:57] <tharkun> allan1097: Do you have a backup of your information? If not this is a good time to do it. :)
[01:57] <allan1097> I do not mind the information
[01:58] <allan1097> but I have my Emergency System, I have Lubuntu 12.04 Live CD into my Pendrive
[01:58] <Bashing-om> allan1097; OK, there is a proceedure, d/l the .iso, check that .iso file with md5sum .. did you verify that file ? .. so that you know the file is good ? Next can you boot to the ubuntu try/install screen ?
[01:59] <allan1097> But I can upgrade from lubuntu Installed 12.04
[01:59] <haoyihuan> quit
[01:59] <tharkun> allan1097: 12.04 and 12.10 are within the same major version of ubuntu you should be safe if you run your usual program for udating and upgrading your system. There should be no major changes that might break up your system, unless you have a special video or something similar.
[02:00] <SaberX01> allan1097, another option, is doen load the server addition, install that, then after, add ubuntu-desktop or whatever desktop you like.
[02:00] <SaberX01> *is to download
[02:00] <ROPA>  I have an ubuntu (gnome 3) 13.10 installation with 2 different sound cards, one sound card drives speakers and one drives headphones. I can't figure out how to direct audio that is application specific however.....I want video games and internet phone calls to use the headphones sound system and IRC chat and browser programs to use the speakers. What sound utility program do I need to use so I can custom configure each programs audi
[02:00] <ROPA> o output to sound card of my choice??
[02:00] <tharkun> If your system is fubar beyond your hability or time to repair it. It is a good idea to download a new image verify it and start fresh :)
[02:00] <Bashing-om> allan1097; On the upgrade to 12.10 .. maybe  maybe not so maybe... all depends on what graphics card you have and what the drivers are .. and if you have installed proprietary drivers // and if you do a clean install.
[02:01] <kostkon> ROPA, you need to install the PulseAudio Volume Control utility, its pacakge name is pavucontrol, to be able to do that
[02:01] <xmetal> as much of a pain as what Thark said can be sometimes ... i agree
[02:01] <allan1097> The other question: If I upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10, when I stay in 12.10 . Can I upgrade to 13.04 and 13.10?
[02:01] <ROPA> kostkon awesome, many tnx for the info.
[02:01] <kostkon> ROPA, np
[02:02] <SaberX01> allan1097, upgrading more that two steps is not advised, LTS to LTS is ok .. but 12.04 to 13.10 is not advisable.
[02:03] <allan1097> Will be 14.04 LTS?
[02:03] <Bashing-om> allan1097; Yes the upgrades have gone very smooth for me on 3 different machines .. I am presently running 13.10 on all, upgraded on-line. no problems.
[02:04] <SaberX01> That would be an exception, more so than the rule.
[02:04] <allan1097> Can I hope Lubuntu 14.04 LTS?
[02:05] <jo_> greetings #ubuntu. Im having tough time to install wine on my 13.10 64bits. whatever i try to install it, i get  wine1.7-amd64 : Depends: wine1.7:any (= 1.7.8-0ubuntu1~saucy1)
[02:05] <jo_>                  Recommends: libosmesa6 but it is not going to be installed
[02:05] <jo_> any guess ? thanks !
[02:05] <xmetal> If I am going to "make a few jumps" I personally think its easier to just download the newer ISO and start fresh
[02:05] <wenwen> hello
[02:05] <SonikkuAmerica> allan1097: Yes, 14.04 will be an LTS.
[02:06] <SonikkuAmerica> allan1097: And yes, 14.04 will be Lubuntu's first LTS release.
[02:06] <Bashing-om> allan1097: (u)buntu version 14.04 will be LTS .. last I was aware the decision had not been made at Lubuntu to support a LTS structure.
[02:06] <allan1097> and then..... What I do?
[02:07] <SaberX01> Lubuntu & Xubuntu support LTS,  but it's not 5yrs, think it's 3yrs
[02:08] <jo_> elp, im so close to switch back to windows :'(
[02:08] <ROPA> kostkon  no joy, pavucontrol does not allow me to adjust the volume for each application......it's not specific to each application.......also, it says volume can't be adjusted until an application is actaully running and putting out audio.
[02:09] <kostkon> ROPA, that's true, but pulseaudio will remember your choice next time, per app
[02:09] <allan1097> You will decide the future of my PC
[02:09] <kostkon> ROPA, in theory, you only need to set the device, volume level etc for an app only once
[02:10] <SaberX01> More Lubuntu info: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lubuntu-users/2013-April/003941.html
[02:10] <kostkon> ROPA, the only prerequisite is that the app needs to be running and producing audio to appear in pavucontrol
[02:11] <Blob> how do I get to the boot menu on an asus
[02:11] <WhatIsTheMatrix> Blob: you mean get into the bios settings?
[02:11] <ROPA> kostkon  I saw a program that listed each audio application...and allowed volume and soundcard chooser for every ap running....separte controls for each ap.
[02:12] <kostkon> ROPA, that's pavucontrol
[02:12] <jo_> Les paquets suivants contiennent des dépendances non satisfaites : wine : Dépend: wine1.6 mais ne sera pas installé
[02:12] <BrianH> Has anyone ever gotten preseed installations working?
[02:12] <ROPA> kostkon unfortunately, I cant remember the name of the program!!!!
[02:12] <jo_> woops sorry
[02:12] <Jordan8> what all?
[02:12] <Blob> yeah it is a win8 computer but the I cant change the boot setting
[02:12] <qin> jo_: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get install -f && sudo apt-get install wine (or check if there is ppa with higher version if needed)
[02:13] <BrianH> Nvm, it's working now ...
[02:13] <Blob> yeah it is a win8 computer but the I cant change the boot setting WhatIsTheMatrix
[02:13] <SonikkuAmerica> jo_: I barely know French but I know what that means.
[02:13] <jo_> qin: thks so much, im tryin right now !
[02:13] <WhatIsTheMatrix> Blob: try pressing the 'Delete' key as it's booting. just keep repeatedly pressing it if you have to until the bios menu appears
[02:14] <Jordan8> why not work for me: sudo rm -Rf /
[02:14] <qin> jo_: also other distros (like sabayon) will get version much before ubuntu
[02:14] <ROPA> kostkon an example is my laptop, I am streaming music using firefox, so I want a low volume for that......but, I want to be able to hear the output if a friend pages me on irc, so xchat needs to have a very loud outpuit.........
[02:14] <SonikkuAmerica> !DANGER | Jordan8
[02:14] <qin> Jordan8: That's really boring
[02:15] <Blob> WhatIsTheMatrix, it says fast boot is disabled
[02:15] <SonikkuAmerica> WhatIsTheMatrix: (By the way the answer is Skynet)
[02:15] <sideup66> ok im back, sorry
[02:15] <WhatIsTheMatrix> Blob: you're in the bios menu now?
[02:15] <oopax> HEllo
[02:15] <WhatIsTheMatrix> SonikkuAmerica: not too bad of an answer. but i'd say that's not really it
[02:15] <Jordan8> im not Robinson
[02:16] <kostkon> ROPA, set an appropriate sound for the beep or message event in xchat, settings -> preferences -> sound
[02:16] <Jordan8> im Jordan
[02:16] <Blob> WhatIsTheMatrix, yep
[02:16] <WhatIsTheMatrix> Blob: okay. so it's set to fast boot. so is my asus system
[02:16] <Jordan8> Ubuntu have filter and rm / not work yes?
[02:17] <Blob> how do I change it to where I can put ubuntu on it through an external cd drive
[02:17] <ROPA> kostkon i'll have a look at xchat, many tnx and gzl.
[02:17] <qin> Jordan8: yes
[02:17] <j4n6> hi all! Any of you that can tell me a lightweight solution for the DE/WM that can have a panel with global/appmenu? Tried some with xfce panel and lxde panel but both dont seem to support that atm
[02:17] <Jordan8> how disable filter?
[02:17] <Blob> WhatIsTheMatrix, how do I change it to where I can put ubuntu on it through an external cd drive
[02:17] <qin> Jordan8: not supported here, i guess
[02:18] <WhatIsTheMatrix> SonikkuAmerica: i would say that's part of it tho ;-)
[02:18] <Jordan8> what with Unity next?
[02:18] <SonikkuAmerica> j4n6: MATE can have it
[02:18] <kostkon> ROPA, np good luck
[02:18] <JohnH> Jordan8:  y do u want to do this?
[02:18] <WhatIsTheMatrix> Blob: iirc, it's boot drive priority setting
[02:18] <j4n6> could i use mates panel and gala as wm?
[02:18] <acecipher> Hi, can anyone here help me get my audio working? I need to change the default PCM device.
[02:19] <Jordan8> Hawaii is the bestest DE! http://www.maui-project.org/news/2013/12/24/hawaii-020-released/
[02:19] <Blob> WhatIsTheMatrix, okay now how do get the added boot option to run
[02:20] <Jordan8> http://www.maui-project.org/images/showcase/screenshots/appchooser.png
[02:20] <j4n6> whats cool about that new project Joran8?
[02:20] <WhatIsTheMatrix> Blob: use the plus and minus keys(+/-) to change the priority of the drives for booting to.
[02:20] <WhatIsTheMatrix> Blob: there might be a setting somewhere in the bios to set/unset booting from optical drive as well
[02:20] <jo_> qin: so the problem is the same : he tells me thats he needs wine1.6, but it wont be installed. If i try to install wine1.6 manually, it will prompt me another like error ...
[02:21] <jo_> qin: am i dumb ?
[02:21] <bugtraq> OLa
[02:21] <Jordan8> Hawaii on the QT. RazorQT and LXDE died.
[02:21] <Jordan8> qt5 is nice
[02:22] <SonikkuAmerica> Jordan8: LXDE and Razor did not die.
[02:22] <j4n6> is there the kde global menu using hawaii?
[02:22] <SonikkuAmerica> Jordan8: LXDE + Razor = the new LXDE.
[02:22] <Blob> WhatIsTheMatrix, when I create a boot option I asks for a file path
[02:22] <Jordan8> nope they die no! udk
[02:22] <SonikkuAmerica> LXDE-Qt, or just LXQt for short.
[02:22] <Jordan8> yes and its new project
[02:22] <Jordan8> LXDE based on the old gtk2
[02:22] <SaberX01> Plus Mir DM
[02:23] <WhatIsTheMatrix> Blob: i'm not sure what you are looking at/seeing. this is in the bios?
[02:23] <Blob> WhatIsTheMatrix, yes
[02:23] <Jordan8> and RazorQT was very very prealpha version
[02:23] <SonikkuAmerica> Wow, you know not of which you speak. As a Lubuntu Communications member, I am telling you, neither LXDE nor Razor are dead or dying.
[02:24]  * acecipher is using LXDE right now
[02:24] <Jordan8> now both died
[02:24] <j4n6> is there, now, any point in getting mir instead of bugfixing?:D
[02:25] <WhatIsTheMatrix> Blob: i don't think i know how to help with that. i just set the drive to boot from. if i need to boot up from a bootable dvd, i set my dvd drive to be the first (priority) drive and i'm done
[02:25] <Jordan8> sonni no, LXDE gtk2 and RazorQT died 100 %
[02:25] <j4n6> anyway, i really need some advice: theres nothing xcept the mate desktop that can have global menu and still being light weight? i like unity but id love to get some less battery use out of the machine
[02:25] <Jordan8> now only LXDE-QT
[02:25] <SaberX01> j4n6, all depends on the purpose of you box, if it's a test box only try it out, send in bug rpts reports, but if it's for production use, better stick with LTS versions.,
[02:25] <Jordan8> and its new DE
[02:25] <Blob> WhatIsTheMatrix, my external wont show up in the bios
[02:26] <sideup66> does anyone know how to disable a device on a xubuntu 12.04 system
[02:26] <j4n6> SaberX01 actually my machine is funky with lts but smooth with 13.10, its some driver issue form lenovo...its the same with windows too it only really works well with pure win8.1 drivers
[02:26] <WhatIsTheMatrix> Blob: oh... external drive. don't know, sorry
[02:26] <Jordan8> LXDE-QT not lightweight
[02:26] <sideup66> the machine has a built in sd-card reader that is located on /dev/sdb, and it seems somthing in the shell keeps trying to write some type of cache i believe to it and throwing failure errors into the shell
[02:26] <Jordan8> and I installed Hawaii
[02:26] <Blob> WhatIsTheMatrix, usb wont even show up
[02:27] <sideup66> It isnt necessary so my best bet is probably to just shut it off
[02:27] <j4n6> all i want is to get maximum screen estate if i could use xfce with global menu and gala wm that would b what i want
[02:27] <SaberX01> j4n6, I dont have any real hardware running 13.10 .. only VM's for install testing.
[02:27] <WhatIsTheMatrix> Blob: i have an external blu-ray usb drive. and i bet if i hooked it up and went into the bios, i doubt i could select it as a bootable drive either
[02:27] <jo_> ok. Thats it, im leaving linux. Linux sucks. i tryed it for one month, and it definitly sucks. Now i get why its free.
[02:27] <j4n6> SaberX01 unity got faster on 13.10, its perfect and better battery usage then kde ^^
[02:27] <sideup66> jo
[02:27] <sideup66> what is your problem?
[02:28] <j4n6> jo : bb
[02:28] <WhatIsTheMatrix> jo_: lol
[02:28] <WhatIsTheMatrix> linux ROCKS!
[02:28] <WhatIsTheMatrix> nothing is hidden
[02:28] <j4n6> gnu/linux. take the time to state it right
[02:28] <WhatIsTheMatrix> yeah, gnu/linux
[02:28] <jo_> (it was meant to make you react and help me get over a godamn dependency problem !
[02:28] <Jordan8> What about ReactOS? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNo34VPJqsw
[02:28] <Blob> WhatIsTheMatrix, I will just take to the place I got it and have them do it
[02:28] <sideup66> I look at linux and windows like this: linux is a diesel truck, it can be more a pain to setup, but once its done, itll run til the hardware around it literally breaks down
[02:28] <oopax> hhh
[02:29] <sideup66> what is the dependency problem?
[02:29] <kostkon> jo_, add the ppa, try installing the latest version, instructions on the wine website
[02:29] <WhatIsTheMatrix> Blob: okay. you can keep asking if you want. someone lese might know something i don't
[02:29] <sideup66> windows is like a gasoline car, easy to drive and all, but breaks down over time
[02:29] <sideup66> linux just keeps chugging
[02:29] <j4n6> sideup66 : you are horribly wrong. windows 8.1 is a dream, for normal use its perfect. ubuntu can come close but windows beats osx and linux on performance. linux and os are pretty though
[02:29] <jo_> seriously, the prompt is litteraly saying : i cant, i miss the xxx version. And i wont install it.
[02:29] <oopax> side true that!
[02:30] <Jordan8> yes just use ReactOS
[02:30] <Blob> WhatIsTheMatrix, thank you for the help, kind sir
[02:30] <oopax> cat the log
[02:30] <glitsj16> j4n6: you might be able to do what you want using a custom xsession, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CustomXSession for an intro could help
[02:30] <j4n6> windows 8.1 is an awesome os as is 7, but if u need unix u gotta use osx or gnu its simple.
[02:30] <WhatIsTheMatrix> Blob: sure. you're welcome. good luck
[02:30] <sideup66> I like linux for primarily work purpose machines, like if I need a server or a bot, its getting good, but not quite there yet as a desktop os
[02:30] <j4n6> glitsj16 i already changed the session to get gala but the fricking global menu for xfce...i cant get it to work
[02:30] <sideup66> in purpose builds, its beautiful, just doesnt break
[02:31] <j4n6> sideup windows is fine for work too, small to medium server are totally fine with it
[02:31] <oopax> jo.... cat the /var/log
[02:31] <j4n6> theres no being better osx and windows are pretty awesome spyware and they are kinda for free too since u get one with every pc/mac u buy
[02:31] <bjrohan> How do I make sure my ~/bin and all of it's subdirectories are in my $PATH? I have a /bin directory,  so according the my .profile file, it looks like at least /bin is in $PATH
[02:32] <j4n6> bin is always in path
[02:32] <SaberX01> No it's not, not they way he wrote it ~/bin
[02:32] <j4n6> echo $PATH
[02:33] <SaberX01> if you want ~/bin .. you need to add it to your ~/.bashrc
[02:33] <glitsj16> j4n6: not sure this still applies, and maybe you've already seen it .. http://askubuntu.com/questions/27189/is-there-a-global-menu-for-the-xfce-panel
[02:33] <cvtsx> hey saber ;)
[02:33] <SaberX01> j4n6, ~/bin .. unless he's added that is not in env path
[02:33] <SaberX01> cvtsx, Hey .. how goes the server wars
[02:33] <j4n6> i get it, didnt see the ~ since he didnt state it in the second time he wrote /bin
[02:34] <cvtsx> lol ehh alright i guess
[02:34] <j4n6> btw call it /opt if u want to install programs in your user dir and then softlink them to /bin
[02:34] <rob_here> Hi guys!
[02:34] <WhatIsTheMatrix> hello
[02:35] <rob_here> First time on IRC >.> and first time I've spent a lot of quality time with ubuntu
[02:35] <j4n6> hmm doesnt look like i get global menu with xfce panel or any panel i could use instead:(
[02:35] <WhatIsTheMatrix> cool
[02:36] <cvtsx> i guess i can retry with znc, wont  bother you guys as much again lool
[02:36] <cvtsx> i was sleep deprived last time
[02:36] <jman> can anyone help me fix my wifi it quit working
[02:37] <kostkon> rob_here, hi
[02:37] <WhatIsTheMatrix> rob_here: so how do you like it so far? what do you think?
[02:37] <jo_> kostkon: i really appreciate your help. However, the link given is apt://wine.1.4 . i never saw a link like that
[02:37] <j4n6> jman u gotta give us the logs and stuff if ukow what i mean
[02:37] <WhatIsTheMatrix> rob_here: are you new to gnu/linux?
[02:37] <rob_here> yes, I've been a windows zombie for a while
[02:37] <Jordan8> bb friends i go fap
[02:37] <kostkon> jo_, the version is wrong anyways, the latest is 1.7.9
[02:37] <rob_here> why did your names turn red?
[02:38] <j4n6> rob_here : did it work at first?
[02:38] <WhatIsTheMatrix> rob_here: cool. no worries
[02:38] <WhatIsTheMatrix> rob_here: it's because i prefixed my post with your nick
[02:38] <bjrohan> If ~/bin is in my $PATH, does that mean all sub directories are also searched?
[02:38] <cvtsx> I like linux (ubuntu specifically) , but windows has some programs i use everyday (and are only compatible with windows).
[02:39] <j4n6> bjrohan : just dont put a bin dir in your home folder, period
[02:39] <j4n6> cvtsx : whats those programs?
[02:39] <SaberX01> !fhs | bjrohan Good Reference Material
[02:39] <rob_here> well I got a SSD and tossed in an ubuntu live disk, I have a pretty solid rig for gaming, and it installed like butter, and plays like something you'd really like eat with butter
[02:40] <cvtsx> j4n6: steam, visual studio is about it
[02:40] <jo_> kostkon: cant see it in the winehq website. Guess what, im tryin sudo apt-get install wine 1.7.9. The fate of this command is sooo unknown !
[02:40] <cvtsx> but steam includes all my games so...
[02:40] <bjrohan> j4n6: I have one in their already,  but for some reason a script about 3 below is not being run, even after logging out and back in to load the .profile
[02:40] <L-Chymera> hi, what linux application can I use to separate a big .flac with .cue and .log mtadata into single tracks?
[02:40] <rob_here> so what does prefixing my user name do for you?
[02:40] <j4n6> j4n6 : steam works with ubuntu, visual studio welll...unless you are coding big projects theres better solutions/as good solutions
[02:40] <WhatIsTheMatrix> rob_here: if you prefix you post with someone(s) nick(s), they'll see it in red if their irc client is configured to do so. so that a post to them stands out from the rest of the chat
[02:40] <SaberX01> bjrohan, the $PATH is not recursive
[02:41] <jo_> kostkon: Oh! what a surprise ! it wont install, cause there is a broken dependency ! how surprinsing !
[02:41] <rob_here> is there a good site check out irc commands?
[02:41] <cvtsx> yeah i know but not all my games are compatible, and i will (only like once actually lol) use code:blocks but visual studio definitely is the best
[02:41] <WhatIsTheMatrix> rob_here: you can use what's called 'nick completion', you type in say..  WhatIs... then press TAB
[02:41] <bjrohan> SaberX01: thank you
[02:41] <kostkon> jo_, here http://www.winehq.org/download/ubuntu  like it says, give sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa   then sudo apt-get update and then sudo apt-get install wine1.7
[02:42] <j4n6> bjrohan : ill tell u one last time: dont do what u are going to do. there shouldnt be any folders inside any /bin if u wnat to store programs store them i /opt or ~/opt
[02:42] <j4n6> jo : just delete ubuntu, install windows. if the biggest of your concerns is to get windows stuff working with wine just dont use ubuntu
[02:43] <SaberX01> !ppa | jo_
[02:43] <jo_> kostkon: as you seem most comprehensive than others, ill stop all sarcasm and follow your wise advice. Dude, my futur on this Os depend of you :D
[02:43] <rob_here> so I type "say. .  WhatIs. . ." or "WhatIs. . ."?
[02:43] <rob_here> oh, wait I get it
[02:43] <rob_here> nevermind
[02:43] <WhatIsTheMatrix> rob_here: okay, cool
[02:44] <acecipher> Hi, does anyone know how to change the PCM device in Alsa?
[02:44] <rob_here> WhatIsTheMatrix, gotcha
[02:44] <WhatIsTheMatrix> rob_here: awesome
[02:44] <rob_here> WhatIsTheMatrix,
[02:44] <SaberX01> jo_, If the future selection for a Linux Distribution depends on using WINE  .. then serious consideration should be given to another platform OS all together.
[02:44] <rob_here> j4n6, hi, sorry still learnin a bit
[02:45] <jo_> ubottu: well i kinda like the main purpose of Linux. Free, community, alternativ, efficient in some ways.. but i need to use soft i work with. So if linux is not for ppl like me, there is a huge problem, cause a lot of ppl are working with soft build for window
[02:45] <rob_here> WhatIsTheMatrix, very similar to how some MMOs chat
[02:45] <cvtsx> bots can be intelligent
[02:45] <jo_> ubottu: well thats for your creator
[02:45] <Xcytre> Why not have two machines?
[02:45] <WhatIsTheMatrix> rob_here: ahh, i hear you
[02:45] <j4n6> iv got a windows desktop to play and my laptop to work. even though windows would work as well
[02:46] <jo_> j4n6: well i kinda like the main purpose of Linux. Free, community, alternativ, efficient in some ways.. but i need to use soft i work with. So if linux is not for ppl like me, there is a huge problem, cause a lot of ppl are working with soft build for window
[02:46] <jo_> here you go
[02:46] <WhatIsTheMatrix> i remember booting gnu/linux for the first time years ago and faced nothing but a command prompt. X-Windows was something very new. i had no X for a long time until i finally found my way around some, and then finally figured out how to setup/configure X
[02:46] <j4n6> jo : what do u need to work? the earlier mentioned visual studio is the only work tool that wont run on linux. and office but libre office is as good unless ur writing papers then its a little harder to setup some stuff
[02:47] <j4n6> WhatIsTheMatrix: gentoo oldschool stage1:D
[02:47] <WhatIsTheMatrix> j4n6: roger. :-) my first was RH 5.1
[02:47] <jo_> kostkon: ppa adding : check. sudo apt-get update : check. sudo apt-get install wine1.7 :  wine1.7 : Depends: wine1.7-i386 (= 1.7.8-0ubuntu1~saucy1)
[02:47] <jo_> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[02:48] <WhatIsTheMatrix> Red Hat 5.1
[02:48] <j4n6> WhatIsTheMatrix : my first linu was some very old suse. i still hate the distro:D
[02:48] <jo_> j4n6: i need to use matrix gemvision. Also, i admit it, Eve online.
[02:49] <kostkon> jo_, then give  sudo apt-get install wine1.6 wine1.7-i386
[02:49] <kostkon> jo_, no, i meant!
[02:49] <kostkon> jo_, then give  sudo apt-get install wine1.7 wine1.7-i386
[02:49] <WhatIsTheMatrix> j4n6: copy that. i've never tried suse
[02:50] <j4n6> WhatIsTheMatrix : the new suse is about the best kde if u can call kde best_D
[02:50] <WhatIsTheMatrix> j4n6: do you like kde at all?
[02:50] <j4n6> jo : did u try apt-get install wine at first? i just did that a hundred times and no problems so far
[02:50] <j4n6> WhatIsTheMatrix, : at first i prefered gnome as a name.then as a de. now i still dont like kde:D
[02:50] <jo_> j4n6: of course. First thing i did.
[02:51] <jo_> kostkon: http://pastebin.com/NmcRRSbG here is the output of the command
[02:51] <j4n6> jo : are u using 12.04?
[02:51] <WhatIsTheMatrix> j4n6: i kind of like a lot of the window managers and desktop environments, but not some of the really old crusty one's, like olvwm
[02:51] <SaberX01> j4n6, :-) .. was gonna say, Best & KDE are two words I'd never put together .. lol
[02:51] <jo_> j4n6: negative. Im running 13.10. on 64bits architecture
[02:52] <kostkon> jo_, hmm what graphics driver are you using
[02:52] <j4n6> jo :  im too and it did just install some hours ago...lemme google that log
[02:52] <WhatIsTheMatrix> j4n6: i like WindowMaker though. i can even take Motif
[02:52] <j4n6> looks like your mesa is messed up
[02:52] <j4n6> j4n6 : winow make > kde okay, its still not good:D
[02:53] <jo_> kostkon: thats a good question. However how could this be a driver related problem ?
[02:53] <jo_> j4n6: sure. Maybe youll have more luck than me
[02:54] <j4n6> jo : did u try -f as option to force install? it could be a drive rproblem because mesa is related to your driver
[02:54] <jgautier> I have been trying to install xbmcbuntu and ubuntu off of a USB drive for the last few hours and I keep getting "Failed to isntall bootloader
[02:54] <jgautier> ive tried 2 different usb sticks
[02:54] <jgautier> and ubuntu 12.0 and xbmcubuntu both have the same problem
[02:54] <jo_> j4n6: what is mesa ?
[02:54] <WhatIsTheMatrix> since i'm using 'trusty'(testing) the ubuntu de(compiz/gnome/unity) is unstable. so i'm using kde which had a fairly nice recent 4.12.0 release in trutsy. and it seems pretty stable.
[02:54] <j4n6> just try apt-get install -f wine at first
[02:55] <j4n6> WhatIsTheMatrix, : its table but it hoggs more ressources or the same as unity and then unity has better alt+tab:)
[02:55] <WhatIsTheMatrix> j4n6: true, that
[02:55] <j4n6> and out of the box super+number window switching
[02:55] <kostkon> jo_, hmmm http://askubuntu.com/questions/138530/why-do-i-get-an-unmet-dependencies-error-when-trying-to-install-wine/190424#190424
[02:56] <j4n6> kostkon whawt do u think will happen if he follows the stuff and types vi ... hes gonna kill his pc cuz that editor doesnt write stuff:D
[02:56] <kostkon> j4n6, yeah, better vi -> nano
[02:56] <WhatIsTheMatrix> j4n6: you ever use enlightenment? i just tried compiling it from source, and wow, i finally got it to all to compile, but 0.17.5 wasn't very stable and then they just released and 0.18.1 and i had libtool problems trying to compile it
[02:57] <jo_> j4n6: i tryed -f also. nvidia settings tells me im on 304.88 version.
[02:57] <j4n6> WhatIsTheMatrix, i used it briefly as it was beta ... 10years ago:D id say that xfce/unity are the best complete DE u can get
[02:58] <jo_> kostkon: thks im looking at it
[02:58] <j4n6> jo did u add some ppa or click on some of the software sources in the manager?
[02:59] <WhatIsTheMatrix> j4n6: i've used xfce a little before and liked it well enough. i do like the compositing features in the ubuntu de and kde though. i don't think xfce has compositing feature... or does it? been a long time since i've tried it
[02:59] <j4n6> WhatIsTheMatrix, you can pretty easily use gala for compositing
[02:59] <WhatIsTheMatrix> j4n6: ahh, interesting. don't know what that is. i might check it out
[02:59] <j4n6> WhatIsTheMatrix, :
[03:00] <jo_> j
[03:00] <j4n6> ah cant paste shitty lxde de
[03:00] <jo_> j4n6: yep but i deleted them
[03:00] <j4n6> http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/14heuu/xfce_gala_plank_awesome/
[03:00] <j4n6> now it worked thats gala+xfce
[03:00] <WhatIsTheMatrix> j4n6: okay, thank you
[03:01] <jman> whats the paste website
[03:01] <j4n6> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[03:01] <jo_> kostkon: do you mind to provide an assistance for that link u provided ? looks like it is a bit dated; and i dont want to screw my OS !
[03:01] <glitsj16> WhatIsTheMatrix: xfwm4 always had compositing
[03:02] <j4n6> gala is just a lot nicer;)
[03:02] <jo_> kostkon: like pin-priority 2012
[03:02] <jman> okay maybe this will help
[03:02] <jman> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6643234/
[03:02] <rob_here> is there a way for me to connect to multiple networks at the same time?
[03:02] <jo_> its 2014 dude !
[03:02] <j4n6> gala is pretty awesome gala+plank has that nice alt+tab
[03:03] <SaberX01> rob_here, what do you mean by multiple_networks .. via SSH or LAN  or ??
[03:03] <j4n6> jo if u wnat to try this: boot with the livecd and try apt-get install wine. if it works u messed something up and we can work from there. or u reinstall
[03:03] <rob_here> SaberX01, as in IRC chat groups :P
[03:03] <j4n6> sure u can rob:D
[03:03] <jo_> j4n6: no problem. See you in 5 min :) thks alot :)
[03:04] <j4n6> xchat can do new->server thing
[03:04] <MrJerome> starting today whenever I boot up I get a system program internal error
[03:04] <WhatIsTheMatrix> glitsj16: oh? been years since i've used it and i don't think it had it back in the day when i used it.
[03:04] <SaberX01> rob_here, yes, what program you using for IRC
[03:04] <MrJerome> I'm on 13.10
[03:04] <rob_here> new->server
[03:04] <rob_here> SaberX01, xchat
[03:05] <glitsj16> WhatIsTheMatrix: i think you have to enable it explicitly through the window manager tweaks settings
[03:05] <rajrajraj> as in windows there is regedit i.e. registry editor what is there in ubuntu 12.10.
[03:05] <SaberX01> rob_here, use Ctrl+S and connect to whatever ya like.
[03:06] <WhatIsTheMatrix> glitsj16: okay. i will check it out if i install xfdesktop. been thinking about installing it.
[03:06] <SaberX01> wow
[03:06] <rob_here> SaberX01, ah, there we go. Tyvm
[03:06] <MrJerome> I'm gonna reboot and get the exact message
[03:07] <WhatIsTheMatrix> glitsj16: guess i'll go ahead and install it right now ;-)
[03:07] <acecipher> Does anyone know where my Alsa config files would be? >.>
[03:07] <acecipher> I think its not detecting my clock timing right.
[03:08] <glitsj16> WhatIsTheMatrix: http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfwm4/wmtweaks seems to confirm that, but as so often, isn't updated to actuality .. i found it to be very reliable though
[03:08] <WhatIsTheMatrix> glitsj16: cool. thanks
[03:08] <j4n6> aceipher your clock is wrong with which distri?
[03:09] <Blob> how do I get to the boot from an external drive so I can install ubuntu
[03:09] <j4n6> Blob you cant boot from external drives, use a pendrive usb
[03:09] <SaberX01> Blob, make sure you set you BIOS to boot from portable media first, get to you boot menu and select the media to boot from.
[03:10] <acecipher> j4n6, lubuntu
[03:10] <ROPA> you can boot from an external drive, but you must install the image file of the installation.......not just copy it.
[03:11] <acecipher> Its a problem with the base Alsa PCM, though, or something. When I manually set the PCM in Audacious it works fine.
[03:11] <j4n6> acecipher i dont know about lubuntu that much, cant help u sorry all i know is that usually that stuff works out of the box since maybe ubuntu 9
[03:11] <rob_here> thanks for the help tonight guys.
[03:11] <ROPA> you can also boot from a partition where the installation image is...........there's help on the ubuntu pages where you download the images.
[03:12] <SaberX01> He needs an image to install first, LiveCD, USB something, and that means he has to boot it in most cases, before he can install it.
[03:12] <WhatIsTheMatrix> rob_here: cheers. enjoy
[03:12] <Blob> thank you SaberX01, after I install ubuntu will I have boot from the external drive  or no
[03:12] <acecipher> Well its a base alsa problem. I'd not expect lxde to interfere with that.
[03:12] <administrator_> hello
[03:12] <ROPA> SaberX01 got it!!!!
[03:12] <acecipher> I had the same problem under ubuntu.
[03:12] <SaberX01> Blob,  if thats how you install the boot loader yes, but that's up to you.
[03:14] <j4n6> jo did it work with the live cd?
[03:14] <acecipher> I mean, in many ways I'm more comfortable in a terminal than a GUI
[03:14] <jo_> j4n6: okay well thats a good bad news, but i confirm sudo apt-get install wine on live cd result an error
[03:14] <rajrajraj> how do i enable the universe software repo. in ubuntu 12.10. i have tried askubuntu.com but it didnt work
[03:15] <BuntuFuntu> My SSD for some reason stopped working
[03:15] <BuntuFuntu> O_O
[03:15] <acecipher> Alternatively is there somewhere where I can get help from people who know alsa?
[03:15] <acecipher> BuntuFuntu, how old is it?
[03:15] <sajan> rajrajraj: In 12.10, I think you can enable it in he "Software and Sources" app.
[03:15] <sajan> rajrajraj: Software and Updates
[03:15] <jo_> j4n6: somehow my selfesteem feel a bit better now
[03:15] <j4n6> jo its the same error again?
[03:15] <rajrajraj> sajan: tried , but kam nahi aya
[03:15] <BuntuFuntu> Eh, I'm not exactly sure, got it off a friend who didn't want it anymore after buying a regular HDD
[03:15] <jo_> j4n6: yeah
[03:16] <Blob> what if I install the boot loader somewhere else instead of the the external drive
[03:16] <j4n6> jo can u paste the error again?
[03:16] <jo_> sure
[03:16] <SaberX01> Blob, the boot loader needs to me installed in the MBR not the external HD
[03:16] <peezybro> Hey all
[03:17] <SaberX01> Blob, for example, /dev/sda
[03:17] <Blob> okay thank you
[03:17] <linuxuz3r> is there a system log for ubuntu
[03:18] <j4n6> linuxuz3r, yes
[03:18] <Utopy> Have you ever had problems with technology "advanced format"?
[03:18] <jo_> j4n6: http://pastebin.com/cLZcq0rq here you go :)
[03:18] <SaberX01> linuxuz3r, /var/log/syslog  .. and dmesg
[03:19] <WhatIsTheMatrix> and /var/log/kern.log
[03:19] <rajrajraj> how can i send USD from modem i have attached to my ubuntu 12.10
[03:19] <Barrin6> USD?
[03:20] <BuntuFuntu> USD?
[03:20] <Barrin6> us dollars?
[03:20] <BuntuFuntu> Afaik I know, USD means US Dollar
[03:20] <BuntuFuntu> Do you mean USB?
[03:21] <Barrin6> but that still doesn't make any sense :P
[03:21] <MrJerome> I restarted and the error was gone :/
[03:21] <BuntuFuntu> Exactly
[03:21] <BuntuFuntu> :p
[03:21] <j4n6> jo i wrote u in a seperate window
[03:21] <WhatIsTheMatrix> lol
[03:21] <Barrin6> rajrajraj,
[03:21] <WhatIsTheMatrix> maybe he needs to ask Ben Bernanke
[03:21] <rajrajraj> usd is like *123# as in mobile phones
[03:22] <peezybro> Sorry to just jump into the convo, but does anyone recommend a IDE for Web Development? I was using aptana on windows but don't like it on linux.
[03:22] <Utopy> peezybro: bluefish
[03:23] <Utopy> not perfect, but good :)
[03:23] <rajrajraj> in other words i wanna dial *123# from the dial modem i have. and yes i have goota see the result
[03:23] <rajrajraj> dial up*
[03:23] <Utopy> you have an app to manage your shared between your browser bookmarks?
[03:23] <peezybro> I will check it out!!!
[03:23] <rajrajraj> Barrin6: i just explained what i meant
[03:24] <Utopy> else vim :]
[03:24] <SaberX01> !ide | peezybro,
[03:24] <Barrin6> sorry I am not knowledgeable in that area of expertise rajrajraj
[03:24] <rajrajraj> Barrin6: k :)
[03:24] <jman> j4n6 did you get the logs
[03:24] <WhatIsTheMatrix> !info minicom
[03:26] <nutter_> d
[03:26] <j4n6> peezybro :the cool kids use sublime text. or vim. i really dont see the need for a IDE since u need an editor and a browser. if your talking ruby developement..that works without ide too
[03:26] <MrJerome> i like sublimetext
[03:26] <WhatIsTheMatrix> rajrajraj: i'm not sure, but what you're looking for might be 'minicom'
[03:27] <Barrin6> yea I"m a sublime text fanboi. But I heard vim is "trendy"
[03:27] <Barrin6> like if you don't use vim, you aren't cool
[03:27] <somsip_> Barrin6: mostly you'll find that people hear are a bit more mature than that
[03:27] <somsip_> *here
[03:28] <somsip_> Barrin6: use what works. Simple as that
[03:28] <rajrajraj> WhatIsTheMatrix: can be but the problem is i am unable to use universe source repo.
[03:28] <WhatIsTheMatrix> rajrajraj: oh. well, i suppose that could be a problem
[03:29] <rajrajraj> WhatIsTheMatrix: i always get this result "E: Unable to locate package minicon"
[03:29] <WhatIsTheMatrix> rajrajraj: it is... minicom   ...not minicon
[03:29] <j4n6> Barrin6,  yeah vim is trendy because vim+tmux is handy
[03:30] <j4n6> and because vim is open, free and does all the stuff sublime text does
[03:30] <WhatIsTheMatrix> rajrajraj: maybe that's the problem?
[03:30] <jman> j4n6 did you get the logs
[03:30] <rajrajraj> WhatIsTheMatrix: no, i get the similar result
[03:30] <ehtesh> is there a way to gather windows from other screens/monitors/workspaces onto one screen?
[03:30] <SaberX01> rajrajraj, do you have universe enabled in your source list, as minicom is definitely in there.
[03:30] <WhatIsTheMatrix> rajrajraj: ohh, i see. that sux
[03:30] <ehtesh> also, is there an image viewer that lets me rename the images?
[03:31] <WhatIsTheMatrix> rajrajraj: what SaberX01 said
[03:31] <ehtesh> eog and shotwell don't, as far as I can tell
[03:31] <rajrajraj> SaberX01: yes, but i am not sure if it worked, coz i am unable to down load any thing from Univ source repo
[03:32] <wizesolomon> Hello, I have a problem, I think I accidently saved a very very important file on my swap partition thinking it was a usb device I have also encrypted the whole swap partition using truecrypt. When I try to decrypt it I am told that i must specify a filesystem. I am very lost and really really need that file! any help is greatly appreciated!
[03:32] <SaberX01> rajrajraj, do a clean up first, sudo apt-get autoclean; sudo apt-get clean; sudo apt-get update
[03:32] <Utopy> wizesolomon: you lose
[03:32] <Utopy> sorry
[03:32] <WhatIsTheMatrix> ehtesh: gwenview has a rename function
[03:32] <jrib> wizesolomon: how did you save it/
[03:33] <WhatIsTheMatrix> !infor gwenview
[03:33] <WhatIsTheMatrix> !info gwenview
[03:33] <j4n6> jman : no didnt see any logs im writing in a second window, hard to follow both
[03:33] <rajrajraj> SaberX01: E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[03:33] <jman> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6643234/
[03:33] <Utopy> rajrajraj: other process wait ?
[03:33] <rajrajraj> SaberX01: E: Unable to lock directory /var/lib/apt/lists/
[03:33] <wizesolomon> The drive mounted automattically after it was encrypted and i just saved it like i would have on any drive by finding the mounted drive in the home folder
[03:33] <rajrajraj> Utopy: idk
[03:34] <Utopy> or you not root
[03:34] <rajrajraj> Utopy: i shall try with it being root
[03:34] <jrib> wizesolomon: your encrypted swap mounted automatically to your home?
[03:34] <qwertyqwerty> I am about to a reinstall and want to back up my user settings. I am unable to boot into the system I am about to overwrite, but have managed to clone all the partitions to a backup drive with dd. My home folder is part of a separate partition can I replacethe new home folder with the backup to restore the settings? I also want to be able to restore the packages I've installed on the old install.
[03:34] <SaberX01> rajrajraj, you need sudo, and make sure nothing else has a lock on updates, like Synaptic or the SW Center.
[03:35] <rajrajraj> Utopy: same result
[03:35] <rajrajraj> SaberX01: yes SW did , trying again
[03:35] <qwertyqwerty> I am currently running a liveUSB image of Ubuntu 13.10, the old system is Ubuntu 12.0.4.3
[03:36] <wizesolomon> I encrypted a partition on my drive that I thought was a usb dev/sda3 later I realized it was the swap partition when I looked at diskutil. After I had encrypted the drive I saved a file on it.
[03:36] <rajrajraj> SaberX01: same result
[03:36] <rajrajraj> :( i know something is really wrong
[03:36] <Utopy> qwertyqwerty: there is a tutorial on documentation
[03:36] <Utopy> rajrajraj: what is your problem ?
[03:37] <rajrajraj> Utopy: can not use universe source repo
[03:37] <qwertyqwerty> Utopy: What tutorial?
[03:38] <Utopy> rajrajraj: $ cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:38] <Utopy> qwertyqwerty: for list installed paquet
[03:39] <qwertyqwerty> Utopy: does that work from a liveusb using chroot?
[03:39] <rajrajraj> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu quantal restricted main multiverse universe deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu quantal restricted main multiverse universe #Added by software-properties deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ quantal-security main restricted universe multiverse deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu quantal-security main restricted universe multiverse #Added by software-properties deb http://archive.cano
[03:39] <Utopy> qwertyqwerty: I think not
[03:40] <rajrajraj> Utopy: ^^
[03:40] <Utopy> roh, pastebin.com :) ( @ rajrajraj )
[03:40] <qwertyqwerty> Utopy: Can I restore the settings after the reinstall using the .img files of the partitions?
[03:40] <SaberX01> rajrajraj, you probably have a lock in:  /var/lib/apt/lists/lock and / or /var/cache/apt/archives/lock and it's not allowing you to update the apt lista properly.
[03:41] <rajrajraj> SaberX01: idk, so how do i unlock it.
[03:41] <Utopy> rajrajraj: I think I have had this problem, set with an option to apt-get
[03:41] <sideup66> hey room
[03:42] <WhatIsTheMatrix> maybe he should check his processes to make sure apt isn't already running somehow somewhere
[03:42] <sideup66> does anyone have an idea how to disable an internal usb sd card reader
[03:42] <rajrajraj> WhatIsTheMatrix: how
[03:42] <rajrajraj> Utopy: how
[03:42] <WhatIsTheMatrix> rajrajraj: sudo ps aux | grep apt
[03:43] <SaberX01> rajrajraj, can try rebootign or manuallt removing the locks .. then autoclean, clean and update.
[03:43] <Utopy> +1
[03:43] <WhatIsTheMatrix> if there's a lock file in /var/lib/apt/lists/lock and / or /var/cache/apt/archives/lock it might be good to check that file with the  'lsof' command
[03:43] <sors> sideup66, blacklist it
[03:44] <sideup66> reason Im looking into disabling it is because I keep getting messages in my shell stating: asking for cache data failed
[03:44] <rajrajraj> SaberX01: plz no rebooting
[03:44] <sideup66> sors: I know how to blacklist a device driver now but how do I do it to a logical device
[03:44] <sideup66> it shows as /dev/sdb in the system
[03:44] <rajrajraj> WhatIsTheMatrix: http://pastebin.com/YVp5b4Pf
[03:45] <sideup66> then the next message would be: assuming drive-cache write through
[03:45] <SaberX01> rajrajraj, then  you gotta fins the locks and delete them, and make sure the apts are not runnign, that's all I can suggest.
[03:45] <rajrajraj> WhatIsTheMatrix: there is too much result with lsof
[03:45] <WhatIsTheMatrix> rajrajraj: it lloks like you have apt process running
[03:45] <sors> sideup66, maybe remove from fstab
[03:45] <rajrajraj> WhatIsTheMatrix: is there a process manager to forcible stop it
[03:46] <WhatIsTheMatrix> rajrajraj: never mind the lsof command for right now... it looks like the issue is apt is currently running
[03:46] <sideup66> its not listed there as it isnt mounted
[03:46] <sideup66> im not even sure what device would even talk to it
[03:46] <WhatIsTheMatrix> rajrajraj: from the output of your 'ps aux' command
[03:46] <rajrajraj> k
[03:47] <WhatIsTheMatrix> rajrajraj: what happens if you do...?   sudo killall apt-get
[03:47] <rajrajraj> WhatIsTheMatrix: apt-get: no process found
[03:48] <rajrajraj> suck
[03:48] <mghola> anybody here who can help with partition recovery?
[03:48] <WhatIsTheMatrix> redo the 'ps aux | grep apt'  again, and see if apt-get is still listed
[03:48] <sors> sideup66,  this might help http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-disable-modprobe-loading-of-usb-storage-driver/
[03:49] <mghola> I have some questions about gpart and some other things.
[03:49] <sideup66> this is what i found from a search of the message in my shell
[03:49] <sideup66> http://askubuntu.com/questions/167343/what-is-a-asking-for-cache-data-failed-warning
[03:50] <boern> hey forks,  i have a question.. long time ago i auto mounted my harddisk.. but now i have removed it and when i boot he is still search for this hdd, telling me that its not ready.. then i have to skip .. is there a way to stop him searching for this harddisk?
[03:50] <somsip_> !fstab | boern
[03:51] <sors> sideup66,  there just lsmod and see if you can see the module
[03:51] <sideup66> sors: to note, i would want to be able to still connect say, a flashdrive if needbe for whatever reason, but just stop that message, the issue I have with the link I had provided was that the ethernet device in this laptop is also a realtek, which concerns me as that would be a bad day to break
[03:51] <WhatIsTheMatrix> rajrajraj: did you do....  sudo ps aux | grep apt   again?
[03:51] <mghola> I got hit with a virus in windows which may have been directed by a linux worm to my ip/mac address.
[03:52] <WhatIsTheMatrix> is apt-get still listed as a running process?
[03:52] <boern> oh thanks now i can remember :)
[03:53] <SaberX01> Linux worm, infecting a Windows machine, now that is funny.
[03:53] <mghola> I think it obtained my passwd via a phony failed keyring unlock on startup prompt.
[03:53] <mghola> No really
[03:53] <sideup66> im trying to find it
[03:53] <sideup66> just give me a moment
[03:54] <SaberX01> mghola, Im sorry but, you would have to work really hard to make that happen..
[03:54] <mghola> i dont know im confused I think it sent my ip/mac to a server so It could hit me when I booted windows
[03:55] <sideup66> sors: I found it
[03:56] <sideup66> should I post its output to a pastebin?
[03:56] <sors> sure
[03:56] <sideup66> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6643402/
[03:57] <sideup66> It keeps prompting like i said, about the asking for cache data message, and itll show every minute or so in the shell
[03:59] <mghola> Look I know its weird I'm just trying to figure it out.  It wiped my boot partition and my linux partition and it hit me from windows.
[04:00] <sors> sideup66,  i would disable the module and load it manualy when i need it
[04:01] <mghola> anyone an advanced user of gpart?
[04:01] <SaberX01> mghola, I suggest a very good Windows anti-virus program, not much one could be done from the Linux side other than whiping the whole thing and reinstalling the Linux partition / Bootloader
[04:03] <SaberX01> mghola, and you need to resolve the virus issue in Windows first, other wise, you probably right back in the soup again after install.
[04:03] <mghola> windows virus problem I think is solved
[04:04] <mghola> but you can't really be sure can you
[04:04] <SaberX01> mghola, not really, I'd wipe the whoel this if the bug wsa bad enough to jump from windows to Linux.
[04:04] <WhatIsTheMatrix> if i got hit with a rootkit/virus... i think i'd wipe/delete all partitions on the drive and install from scratch
[04:04] <SaberX01> whole thing .. ..
[04:04] <WhatIsTheMatrix> ya
[04:05] <WhatIsTheMatrix> i wouldn't want any rootkit hanging around
[04:05] <mghola> i was hoping I could tell gpart to read the ntfs formatted freespace as ext4 to trick it
[04:05] <mghola> i agree but I want to recover a couple things first
[04:05] <SaberX01> mghola, that recover could be dangerous too, many sure yo run it through anti-virus as well.
[04:06] <mapps> where can i check for errors to see why my wireless card isnt connecting :(
[04:06] <SaberX01> *make sure ...
[04:06] <mghola> yes i plan to be very careful
[04:06] <mghola> i worry about clamav's definitions being complete though
[04:06] <SaberX01> mghola, I'd back up whatever files to a DVD or something and wipe the whole drive and start over.
[04:07] <mghola> im not sure what you mean, the files are hidden behind an ntfs wipe
[04:07] <mghola> thats why I need help with gpart
[04:08] <SaberX01> mghola, NTFS wipe?
[04:08] <mghola> reformat
[04:08] <SaberX01> gone then
[04:08] <WhatIsTheMatrix> lol
[04:08] <mghola> no there has to be a way
[04:08] <SaberX01> mghola, Insert LivCD and Install Ubuntu from scratch is all you really got left :-)
[04:08] <sideup66> ok im back
[04:09] <sideup66> i dont know if you got my message, my lan is taking its sweet time for whatever reason :/
[04:09] <sideup66> and I did that en=0 set, and it still did the message, so how do you disable the module sars?
[04:09] <SaberX01> mghola, that's all the help I can give Im affraid.
[04:10] <WhatIsTheMatrix> stick a fork in it
[04:10] <mghola> i think it just relabled the space, really.  if I could relable it as ext4 i think i would be in business with gpart
[04:10] <SaberX01> that steak is well-done :-)
[04:10] <mghola> but yeah obviously you are probably right
[04:10] <WhatIsTheMatrix> probably. i must say i can't be 100% certain tho... but it sure sounds like it's well-done
[04:11] <SaberX01> mghola, so lets see, virus, partitions removed, NTFS re-format, and there's still a chance ? all I can say is good luck. I dont know any tools that can do all that.
[04:11] <sideup66> my question is will disabling the module break all usb functionality for usb drives or will they still work?
[04:11] <mghola> I just want to see if anyone knows gpart well
[04:12] <SaberX01> I do
[04:12] <SaberX01> and I dont know of a way to "Spoof" EXT4 into thinking it's NTFS ... that would be disastrous in itself.
[04:12] <WhatIsTheMatrix> no doubt
[04:13] <mghola> ok well sorry for pressing the issue
[04:13] <mghola> im just hating my computer
[04:13] <sideup66> I would rather not disable all usb if needbe because I also have a wifiusb dongle on this machine that is used
[04:14] <SaberX01> mghola, maybe your better off in the windows IRC, they used to dealing with viruses that wipe out system.
[04:14] <WhatIsTheMatrix> cfdisk is pretty good and powerful. but it might be even more stringent than gparted
[04:16] <Morphine> !Help
[04:16] <Morphine> !patience
[04:17] <SaberX01> !ask
[04:17] <WhatIsTheMatrix> overloaded him? lol
[04:17] <WhatIsTheMatrix> poor guy
[04:17] <SaberX01> I think so :-)
[04:17] <WhatIsTheMatrix> lol
[04:22] <sideup66> hm
[04:22] <Richhh> on an old 1GB RAM 3GHz Celeron, need a super lightweight offline svg editor
[04:23] <Morphine> :~
[04:24] <Richhh> inkscape takes too long to load, what are alternatives?
[04:25] <Richhh> the alternatives*
[04:27] <sideup66> ok just disabled it, now to see if i get the message again after a reboot
[04:28] <Raliegh> Hello there, noob here. I'm attempting to create a restart script of a program (Starbound for specifics). I am attempting to run the server in a screen terminal for simplicity (simple killall screen, screen <startup script>) but of course I get the no terminal found. Would anyone be able to help me?
[04:29] <Raliegh> Another benefit of screen for this program is I can hop in and monitor whenever I want, so using screen is kind of necessary for me.
[04:29] <WhatIsTheMatrix> is this server still on?
[04:29] <Raliegh> Holy fuck...
[04:29] <somsip_> !language | Raliegh
[04:29] <Raliegh> Woops, sorry.
[04:29] <cihhan> has anyone tried installing Ubuntu mini? I have burnt a CD and when I boot from it, all I get is grub. Any suggestions?
[04:30] <qin> Richhh: svg-edit with ff?
[04:30] <Darkangel> u do have a poiunt though was thankin the same
[04:30] <Raliegh> Anyways, due to this spam... Should I re-ask my question?
[04:30] <Darkangel> sure
[04:30] <Raliegh> Hello there, noob here. I'm attempting to create a restart script of a program (Starbound for specifics). I am attempting to run the server in a screen terminal for simplicity (simple killall screen, screen <startup script>) but of course I get the no terminal found. Would anyone be able to help me?
[04:31] <Raliegh> Another benefit of screen for this program is I can hop in and monitor whenever I want, so using screen is kind of necessary for me.
[04:31] <somsip_> Raliegh: this seems pretty thorough. Is there anything in here that might help? If not, maybe this forum is the better place to ask? http://is.gd/C4wR5N
[04:31] <Darkangel> press alt+F3 on server
[04:31] <Raliegh> somsip_ Nono, I'm well, well WELL beyond all of that setup stuff.
[04:32] <Raliegh> somsip_ disregard Starbound entirely, that forum would have no idea (and is offline half the time anyways)
[04:32] <Raliegh> Let us just say I need to run a screen application from an SSH script, how would I go about doing this?
[04:34] <somsip_> Raliegh: ssh to server, run screen, run application. Something like 'ssh -e 'screen -L application' but check the screen manpage properly
[04:34] <qin> Raliegh: or use tmux
[04:34] <Raliegh> http://pastebin.com/Y5pcxN9q That is my restart script. It is run whenever a button is clicked on a web-page using node.js. However, it will not start because it says "Screen must be connected to a terminal" I need to bypass this.
[04:34] <SaberX01> A program dtach is a good screen app too.
[04:34] <SaberX01> *called
[04:35] <CarlFK> Raliegh: I think you are adding thing (like screen) that are causing you problems you don't need to solve
[04:35] <somsip_> Raliegh: yes. You need to attach to the existing screen session, or create a new one (though the latter would be a bit daft unless screen has crashed'
[04:35] <Raliegh> CarlFK: The reason I want to run it in a screen terminal is so, if something happens, I can SSH in and attach to that session and debug.
[04:36] <Raliegh> somsip_ There won't be any existing. That last line should create a new screen and run said program.
[04:36] <Darkangel> Just wondering does Ubuntu developers like Testers? or like helpin out test Ubuntu 14.04 b4 it comes out
[04:37] <Raliegh> Like, if I were in a terminal and typed that line it'd work fine, and closing it of course keeps the program running. I can SSH back in and attach whenever. I'm attempting to do that via a bash script without using a terminal at all. I hope I'm making sense.
[04:37] <somsip_> Raliegh: and you want it create a new screen session on each restart and leave the old screen session doing nothing. Ok... Then check the screen manpage for the correct syntax. -L looked about right to me but I'm more of a tmux user
[04:38] <CarlFK> Raliegh: there are other ways of debugging ... like just redirect stdio to a file .. but I am not sure what your process/app/whatever is, so hard to really say what is best
[04:38] <somsip_> R
[04:38] <Raliegh> somsip_ The old screen session won't exist, hence killall screen
[04:38] <somsip_> Raliegh: ah - just saw that.
[04:38] <Richhh> qin: im looking for a super light non-web-based svg editor
[04:39] <CarlFK> RichiH: inkscape
[04:40] <Richhh> CarlFK: inkscape takes too long to load
[04:40] <Raliegh> somsip_ It doesn't seem like -L would do it, that just speaks about logging. Would Tmux be able to do all of this stuff? I'm more than willing to ditch screen as long as I can get this working.
[04:40] <CarlFK> Richhh: vim :)
[04:40] <Richhh> good, but i should mention i wanted a gui editor
[04:40] <Richhh> maybe vim with a browser though
[04:41] <ramborocks> whats a good alternative file systems for a external i will be using on linux / windows?
[04:41] <ramborocks> i have ntfs
[04:42] <Richhh> also mspaint is not opening in wine
[04:42] <qin> Richhh: http://www.junauza.com/2009/09/free-vector-graphics-editors.html, but from my expirience graphic station differ quite well from your setup, so you should adjust expectation or get acient version or let's say 10 CD openSuse
[04:42] <Richhh> seems a simple light offline editor is missing
[04:43] <WhatIsTheMatrix> !rgbpaint
[04:43] <WhatIsTheMatrix> !info rgbpaint
[04:43] <Richhh> will try now
[04:43] <WhatIsTheMatrix> rgr
[04:44] <Richhh> WhatIsTheMatrix: nice but i cant draw a box?
[04:45] <qin> Raliegh: /j #tmux
[04:45] <somsip_> Raliegh: so it is. Maybe -d is what you want.
[04:45] <WhatIsTheMatrix> Richhh: i think there are some others. i tried, i thin it was gnupaint once.. but bleh
[04:45] <Raliegh> qin Before I go joining a channel bugging them about something I may or may not know works for my needs, I'll ask the person suggesting it, thanks.
[04:45] <Richhh> considering writing one in Java
[04:45] <Raliegh> somsip_ Thanks, I'm trying that one out.
[04:45] <Richhh> an mspaint clone that can save as .svg
[04:45] <WhatIsTheMatrix> !info mtpaint
[04:46] <Richhh> trying
[04:46] <WhatIsTheMatrix> rgr
[04:46] <WhatIsTheMatrix> !info gnome-paint
[04:46] <Raliegh> Perfect somsip_ That was it. Thanks a lot for your time.
[04:46] <WhatIsTheMatrix> this next one might be good...
[04:47] <WhatIsTheMatrix> !info kolourpaint4
[04:47] <Richhh> mtpaint is not bad, some little ui bothers
[04:47] <Richhh> i liked how u can simply drag out a box in paint
[04:48] <WhatIsTheMatrix> Richhh: rgr. might try that kolourpaint4
[04:48] <Richhh> k
[04:48] <Richhh> trying
[04:48] <WhatIsTheMatrix> kde stuff is usually pretty good.
[04:49] <Richhh> long install
[04:50] <WhatIsTheMatrix> yeah... needs kde libs and such i'm sure
[04:50] <Richhh> <3 apt-get anyway
[04:50] <WhatIsTheMatrix> i'm running it now myself
[04:50] <Richhh> i aliased sudo apt-get install to 'get'
[04:50] <WhatIsTheMatrix> looks a lot like mspaint
[04:51] <Richhh> so lovely
[04:51] <WhatIsTheMatrix> yeah.. i love apt-get and especially, aptitude
[04:51] <WhatIsTheMatrix> synaptic is very nice for a gui package manager
[04:51] <SaberX01> gnome-paint is light,  but don't see svg in the support list.
[04:51] <ramborocks> whats a good file format for window/ linux
[04:51] <ramborocks> i want it to be readable on both partitions
[04:52] <Richhh> FAT?
[04:52] <Raliegh> The only thing that sucks about apt-get is the fact that packages very quickly fall out of date.
[04:52] <Raliegh> :/
[04:52] <ramborocks> will fat support 1terr drives
[04:52] <ramborocks> i thought they didnt support files over 4 gigs
[04:52] <SaberX01> ramborocks, for windows = NTFS  .. Linux = EXT4
[04:52] <ramborocks> hmm
[04:52] <rypervenche> You could do vfat
[04:52] <Raliegh> So, does anybody here have any experience with supervisor? I need a node.js script to run on system start, and to restart upon crash.
[04:52] <WhatIsTheMatrix> SaberX01: i think he wants to be able to read Ext4 from Windows
[04:53] <ramborocks> yes exactly whatisthematrix
[04:53] <Richhh> is that possible?
[04:53] <WhatIsTheMatrix> they used to have an IFS for that for Ext3
[04:53] <WhatIsTheMatrix> don't know if there's one for Ext4
[04:53] <ramborocks> im planning on going all linux. but i want my external drive to be readable on my wifes laptop
[04:53] <CarlFK> ramborocks: depends on what your requirements are.  there are ext drivers for windows, and ntfs for linux.
[04:54] <SaberX01> in Wndows use an app like Ext2Read  or something ..
[04:54] <ramborocks> mmm k
[04:54] <Richhh> kolourpaint4 is still installing
[04:54] <SaberX01> can use Samba or SSHFS also
[04:54] <ramborocks> so basicly use what you got theres always a way?
[04:54] <SaberX01> like CarlFK said,  lots of options
[04:55] <qin> ramborocks: why your external hd have to be ext4?
[04:55] <ramborocks> it dont have to be.
[04:55] <ramborocks> i was planning on formating it
[04:55] <WhatIsTheMatrix> Richhh: rgr, if your looking for mspaint it's probably close to it
[04:55] <Richhh> then use a filesystem both can read
[04:55] <Treezus> Ubuntu ballets
[04:55] <Treezus> ballers
[04:55] <ramborocks> figuring if ntfs was the way to go or -  just go ext4
[04:55] <CarlFK> ramborocks:  using samba to share it over the network will be the most solid - anything else is going to rely on windows not doing something weird.
[04:56] <qin> ramborocks: fat is good as it gets if you have compatibility issues
[04:56] <ramborocks> i gotta clear off what i want left before i format yet. so just prethinking
[04:56] <Treezus> I want to run Ubuntu on my lg mytouch. can y'all do that
[04:56] <Richhh> WhatIsTheMatrix: so far so good :)
[04:56] <ramborocks> just plane fat? not fat32 right
[04:57] <WhatIsTheMatrix> ramborocks: this came up on a search --> http://www.ext2fsd.com/
[04:57] <qin> ramborocks: well fat32, for ease of mind you can foemat it with M$ and Linux will read it
[04:57] <WhatIsTheMatrix> ramborocks: says, it allows BOTH reading and writing of Ext2, Ext3, and Ext4 from Windows
[04:57] <Richhh> FAT32 works
[04:58] <Richhh> dont know about rest
[04:58] <Richhh> my pendrive is formatted to fat32, reading fine in ubuntu
[04:58] <Richhh> (and windows, obv)
[04:58] <Richhh> and writing fine
[04:58] <qin> ramborocks: well ext would benefit from ablity to conceal certin files
[04:59] <Richhh> ah yes i formatted it in windows
[04:59] <Richhh> guess you could in linux though?
[04:59] <mojtaba> Hi, I have an admin account and a normal account on my laptop. buy I can not log in with admin in GUI. Does anybody know what should I do?
[05:00] <mojtaba> although I can login via terminal with admin
[05:00] <mojtaba> I am now logged in as a normal user in GUI.
[05:01] <mojtaba> when I type password in GUI for admin, it just shows a message very quickly and then returns to the login screen.
[05:01] <vector_> Is there a program like Xampp that's smaller?
[05:01] <mojtaba> Please help
[05:01] <IgniteMeow> hi
[05:01] <WhatIsTheMatrix> mojtaba: when you want to use gui apps in X, precede the the command with "gksudo"
[05:01] <IgniteMeow> I have an Acer Aspire Netbook laptop and some how windows got deleted and stuffz
[05:01] <Richhh> vector_: consider node.js
[05:01] <WhatIsTheMatrix> mojtaba: like so....  gksudo lshw
[05:01] <mojtaba> WhatIsTheMatrix: I can not login with admin in GUI
[05:01] <vector_> I got it
[05:01] <IgniteMeow> so I uhh tried installing ubuntu but the laptop is fricked up like hell
[05:02] <WhatIsTheMatrix> mojtaba: you don't login to X-Windows as root/admin
[05:02] <Richhh> i dont know about apache
[05:02] <mojtaba> WhatIsTheMatrix: no it does not login me with admin in x-windows, I just can login in terminal with admin.
[05:02] <WhatIsTheMatrix> mojtaba: just precede any command you want on a command line with 'gksudo'
[05:03] <mojtaba> WhatIsTheMatrix: by the way I am now logged in with normal user in x-window
[05:03] <Richhh> WhatIsTheMatrix: kolourpaint was good, fast loading, mspaintlike so far
[05:03] <vector_> I want apache, php ,and mysql in 1
[05:03] <WhatIsTheMatrix> Richhh: :-)
[05:03] <mojtaba> WhatIsTheMatrix: how can I login as admin?
[05:03] <Richhh> WhatIsTheMatrix: pity it cant save as .svg
[05:03] <vector_> is there only xampp
[05:03] <WhatIsTheMatrix> Richhh: ya, no doubt
[05:04] <mojtaba> WhatIsTheMatrix: Gtk warning ** can not open display
[05:04] <WhatIsTheMatrix> mojtaba: you shouldn't run X-Windows as admin/root user
[05:04] <IgniteMeow> if everything got wiped on my laptop
[05:04] <IgniteMeow> like nothing was on it
[05:04] <somsip_> vector_: what it is that you actually want to do?
[05:04] <IgniteMeow> if I install ubuntu on it
[05:04] <qin> mojtaba: what is your admin name?
[05:04] <IgniteMeow> would it work fine?
[05:04] <mojtaba> qin: it is mojtaba
[05:05] <WhatIsTheMatrix> mojtaba: not sure what's wrong there. you were regular user when you tried... gksudo <command>  ?
[05:05] <mojtaba> WhatIsTheMatrix: I just logged in command line and typed gksudo firefox
[05:05] <vector_> a hour download seems like alot
[05:05] <mojtaba> WhatIsTheMatrix: no, admin. My laptop just shutdown before due to fan problem, and I guess it is related to it
[05:05] <Richhh> WhatIsTheMatrix: think its worth working on an mspaint-clone that does svg?
[05:05] <vector_> I just want mysql, php, apache in one
[05:06] <somsip_> vector_: you want apache, php and mysql? Just install them separately. No big deal
[05:06] <Richhh> would let people quickly dynamically and privately jot ideas
[05:07] <mojtaba> WhatIsTheMatrix: qin?
[05:07] <WhatIsTheMatrix> mojtaba: do not try the 'gksudo' when you are logged in as admin... do not run gui apps from command line when logged in as admin. be regualr user, then --> gksudo <command>
[05:07] <Jazayri> Linux is fantastic, whitout him i'll sleep 24h/24 !
[05:07] <Richhh> eh spose its not important, back to work
[05:07] <qin> mojtaba: would you try to login via Alt-Ctrl-F7 as mojtaba, and after fail post revelant line of /var/log/Xorg.0.log and auth.log via paste.ubuntu.com
[05:07] <Richhh> thanks again WhatIsTheMatrix
[05:07] <WhatIsTheMatrix> Richhh: yes, i think it would be worth working on
[05:07] <WhatIsTheMatrix> Richhh: you're welcome! enjoy
[05:07] <Richhh> :)
[05:08] <WhatIsTheMatrix> i forget... what is the command to show what display you're on again?
[05:08] <qin> echo $DISPLAY; ?
[05:09] <WhatIsTheMatrix> ahhh, thank you qin!
[05:09] <WhatIsTheMatrix> couldn't remember
[05:11] <nase> How can i use my netsetter for network connection?? it shows some error.
[05:12] <WhatIsTheMatrix> nase: doubt i can help with that, but you should post the error. if it's multiple lines then put it up on a pastebin
[05:13] <WhatIsTheMatrix> !pastebin
[05:15] <Richhh> WhatIsTheMatrix:  btw kolourpaint can _open_ but not save/export svg
[05:15] <sideup66> ok does anyone know what is going on here
[05:16] <WhatIsTheMatrix> Richhh: yes, i saw you mention that earlier. i'm not surprised it doesn't save/export to that format.
[05:16] <IgniteMeow> how the heck do I put ubuntu tv onto my tv lol
[05:16] <Richhh> im surprised it opens it though
[05:16] <WhatIsTheMatrix> Richhh: even though i do not know much about graphics stuff. i do know that svg is relatively new
[05:17] <sideup66> i have tried to remove my usb card reader to stop an annoying message in my shell stating that asking for cache_data failed
[05:17] <sideup66> the next message would say assuming drive cache:write through
[05:18] <WhatIsTheMatrix> Richhh: if you know how to program and all, you could join the kde team and work on  kolourpaint4 i'm sure... or just download the source and work on it yourself
[05:18] <Richhh> yeah im thinking about it
[05:19] <WhatIsTheMatrix> i hear ya... you know how to program?
[05:19] <Richhh> reasonably
[05:19] <WhatIsTheMatrix> kde uses c++ heavily from my understanding
[05:20] <Richhh> i only did a little openGL game in C++
[05:20] <WhatIsTheMatrix> cool
[05:20] <Richhh> i was thinking of making an editor using JOGL
[05:20] <WhatIsTheMatrix> i can figure out what that stands for just looking at it
[05:21] <WhatIsTheMatrix> Java OpenGL
[05:21] <Richhh> yep
[05:21] <Richhh> i made a JOGL app before for a uni assignment
[05:21] <WhatIsTheMatrix> nice
[05:21] <Richhh> and tuxpaint's fun sounds are inspiring
[05:22] <WhatIsTheMatrix> haha... tuxpaint has sound to it eh?
[05:22] <Richhh> yeah midi and cartoony sounds
[05:22] <Richhh> made me laugh and smile
[05:22] <WhatIsTheMatrix> sweet. i can see how that would  be inspiring
[05:23] <speckle> ooh, we're talking about making paint programs? :) I've started trying to make one using Python
[05:23] <Richhh> imagine combining fun (optional) sounds, easy mspaintclone ui, crossplatform hw accel rendering in JOGL, svg open/save support
[05:23] <WhatIsTheMatrix> man i started to leanr a little programming not long ago. but then got real busy with other stuff. need to get back to it
[05:24] <WhatIsTheMatrix> learn*
[05:24] <Richhh> YT tutorials are the best start imo
[05:24] <Richhh> youtube.com/thenewboston
[05:24] <Richhh> from there, trial and error and googling
[05:26] <WhatIsTheMatrix> Richhh: ahh, okay. i might check that out. i have some old video tutorials is how i was starting out. done in old 'quicktime'. play them with 'winff'
[05:26] <Richhh> lol
[05:26] <Richhh> good old days
[05:26] <WhatIsTheMatrix> from the Virtual Learning Company
[05:26] <WhatIsTheMatrix> for 'C'
[05:27] <Richhh> i like bucky @ youtube.com/thenewboston because he's relaxing, like your mate is guiding you through it and showing you cool stuff
[05:27] <WhatIsTheMatrix> Mark Virtue is the teacher in the videos
[05:27] <mghola> +1 at Richh
[05:27] <Richhh> looks interesting
[05:28] <WhatIsTheMatrix> Mark Virtue is pretty relaxed id say as well
[05:28] <Richhh> he's also genuine, not annoyingly fake
[05:28] <WhatIsTheMatrix> does buck teach 'C'? i'm guessing, no
[05:28] <Richhh> and has a sense of umour
[05:29] <Richhh> +h
[05:29] <WhatIsTheMatrix> just a guess tho
[05:29] <Richhh> a little
[05:29] <WhatIsTheMatrix> okay
[05:29] <speckle> If you want to make a paint program, one thing to keep in mind is that GUIs are their own beast to tackle.  :P
[05:29] <Richhh> but the c tuts are not complete i think
[05:29] <WhatIsTheMatrix> speckle: i'll bet they are
[05:29] <WhatIsTheMatrix> i hear Qt5 is pretty nice tho
[05:30] <Richhh> brb drink
[05:30] <speckle> Qt means dealing with C++ though
[05:30] <WhatIsTheMatrix> yep, roger that
[05:30] <speckle> I guess you could go with PyQt though
[05:30] <WhatIsTheMatrix> ya
[05:30] <speckle> that will let you use Qt through the Python language
[05:30] <haha> :)
[05:30] <WhatIsTheMatrix> Perl! haha
[05:31] <speckle> Unfortunately, there's nothing like the VB6 form designer for FOSS that I know of. I used to toy around with that back when I was on Windows, and it was really easy.
[05:31] <WhatIsTheMatrix> rgr
[05:32] <IgniteMeow> can anyone help me
[05:32] <IgniteMeow> my acer aspire laptop os got wiped somehow
[05:32] <IgniteMeow> lke everything did...so I installed ubuntu on it but now when I try launching it
[05:32] <IgniteMeow> it says
[05:32] <IgniteMeow> Cant read file...you must run in kernal
[05:33] <WhatIsTheMatrix> IgniteMeow: strange... new one on me
[05:35] <WhatIsTheMatrix> IgniteMeow: have you tried the 'Advanced Options' when you're at the grub boot loader screen and then select "safe mode"?
[05:35] <IgniteMeow> huh what?
[05:35] <IgniteMeow> there is a list of 4 stuffz
[05:35] <IgniteMeow> "Ubuntu with Linux 3.8.0-29-generic
[05:35] <WhatIsTheMatrix> IgniteMeow: do you get a grub boot loader screen? or does it just go straight to trying to load up the OS?
[05:36] <IgniteMeow> Ubuntu, with Linus 3.8.0-29--generic(recovery mode), Memory test *nentest86+)
[05:36] <IgniteMeow> :p
[05:36] <WhatIsTheMatrix> IgniteMeow: there should be another option below that
[05:36] <WhatIsTheMatrix> yeah
[05:36] <WhatIsTheMatrix> IgniteMeow: the recovery mode
[05:36] <WhatIsTheMatrix> IgniteMeow: you can try it anyway
[05:37] <WhatIsTheMatrix> see what happens
[05:37] <lotuspsychje> someone knows howto color the boot text (quiet splash off) in green?
[05:37] <IgniteMeow> it says Loading Linux 3.8.0-29-generic...
[05:38] <WhatIsTheMatrix> IgniteMeow: okay...
[05:38] <IgniteMeow> oh now it says error: couldn't read file...Loading file and then
[05:38] <somsip_> lotuspsychje: old thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=50054
[05:38] <IgniteMeow> it said other stuff and went back to the grub booter
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> somsip_: tnx lemme try
[05:38] <WhatIsTheMatrix> IgniteMeow: you might want to try reinstalling. but wipe the disk clean of all partitions before actually installing
[05:39] <somsip_> lotuspsychje: more recent threads have no solutions though so YMMV
[05:40] <WhatIsTheMatrix> IgniteMeow: i can walk you through doing that if you need
[05:41] <lotuspsychje> somsip_: will that color all text or only yhe OK in green?
[05:41] <somsip_> lotuspsychje: that example just colors the OK, but just wrap the whole like in the ANSI color tags to color it all I guess
[05:41] <somsip_> *line
[05:41] <IgniteMeow> I did wahtisthematrix
[05:41] <IgniteMeow> what*
[05:41] <IgniteMeow> like
[05:42] <IgniteMeow> 10 times ^^
[05:42] <FloodBot1> IgniteMeow: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:42] <IgniteMeow> sorry D:
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> somsip_: ok ill try, im tweaking my new ssd ubuntu netbook :p
[05:42] <WhatIsTheMatrix> IgniteMeow: you sure you wiped the hard disk of all "partitions" before you installed?
[05:42] <somsip_> lotuspsychje: that's some fine tweaking ;-)
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> somsip_: boots up very fast already on quiet splash off
[05:43] <IgniteMeow> yes
[05:43] <IgniteMeow> it was something in the installation
[05:43] <IgniteMeow> clicked it then clicked continue and such
[05:44] <WhatIsTheMatrix> IgniteMeow: i don't know then, sorry. perhaps someone else might have an idea. keep posting your problem and error occasionally
[05:45] <IgniteMeow> is it because everything on my laptop got wiped
[05:45] <WhatIsTheMatrix> IgniteMeow: i think you should try again. start over. i would like to make sure you wiped all partitions. but you don't have to do that. i'm just saying i'd like to go through the process with you to make sure
[05:45] <IgniteMeow> literally...its like you got a new PC with no os
[05:46] <WhatIsTheMatrix> IgniteMeow: well that error is sure a strange one to me. but then, i'm not shocked. i've seen a lot of strange ones
[05:46] <IgniteMeow> okay plugging my usb back in
[05:47] <WhatIsTheMatrix> IgniteMeow:  i think you should boot up the live install cd. then use a utility to wipe the partitions before even starting/using the installation program
[05:47] <WhatIsTheMatrix> IgniteMeow: okay, sounds good. you don't have to do this if you don't want to. i was just stating what i want to do. ;-)
[05:48] <IgniteMeow> its fine so I am at the install screen
[05:48] <IgniteMeow> I click Install Ubuntu..right
[05:48] <WhatIsTheMatrix> IgniteMeow: when you've booted the usb stick, click on 'Try Ubuntu first'...
[05:49] <WhatIsTheMatrix> err, select i should say
[05:49] <sandhu> hi i was downloading iso of 12.04 but i got struck after 48% downloading
[05:49] <sandhu> i m not able to download 12.04 iso after 48%downloading
[05:50] <IgniteMeow> okay now wat, whatisthematrix
[05:50] <akunin> Guys, coming from a SuSE world, I have quite a few questions... First of, how do I find the package a specific file belongs to? E.g. with rpm I can do rpm -qf <file>. Is there an equivalent on ubuntu?
[05:50] <IgniteMeow> ooo look its ubuntu...so cul
[05:50] <IgniteMeow> :p
[05:50] <WhatIsTheMatrix> IgniteMeow: cool :-)
[05:50] <sandhu> pl help
[05:50] <WhatIsTheMatrix> IgniteMeow: okay, now you know how to pull up a gnome-terminal?
[05:50] <sandhu> hi i was downloading iso of 12.04 but i got struck after 48% downloading
[05:51] <IgniteMeow> how do I do that, matrix
[05:52] <WhatIsTheMatrix> IgniteMeow: on the left menu bar, click on the most upper-left icon, then type in...  gnome-terminal
[05:52] <WhatIsTheMatrix> IgniteMeow: then click on the terminal icon that should come up
[05:54] <IgniteMeow> now what/
[05:55] <WhatIsTheMatrix> IgniteMeow: ok, so now you have a command prompt terminal?
[05:55] <IgniteMeow> mhm
[05:55] <WhatIsTheMatrix> okay
[05:55] <WhatIsTheMatrix> type in the command  -->  gparted
[05:55] <WhatIsTheMatrix> and press Enter, of course
[05:56] <somsip_> WhatIsTheMatrix: sudo gparted??
[05:56] <WhatIsTheMatrix> he/she is using a live install usb stick
[05:56] <IgniteMeow> root privileges are required for running gparted
[05:56] <IgniteMeow> :p
[05:56] <kruxoman> gparted will ask
[05:57] <WhatIsTheMatrix> do you need 'sudo' when using live install?
[05:57] <WhatIsTheMatrix> i forget
[05:57] <IgniteMeow> I tried it with sudo
[05:57] <IgniteMeow> and then it opened something:p
[05:57] <WhatIsTheMatrix> okay, good
[05:57] <Raliegh> Hello, would anyone be able to offer me direct one-on-one assistance with getting a node.js and bash script to auto-restart upon failure, and auto-start on server start? I can pay, it's very high priority for me right now. I've tried both supervisor and upstart but neither work.
[05:58] <WhatIsTheMatrix> IgniteMeow: at the very top it should show a bar-like graph of all your partitions
[05:58] <IgniteMeow> okay
[05:58] <IgniteMeow> I see it :p
[05:59] <WhatIsTheMatrix> i'd start by clicking on the one at the far right, then delete it. do the same for the rest of them, from right to left
[06:00] <WhatIsTheMatrix> once you have selected to delete all of them, you'll need to click 'Apply'
[06:00] <IgniteMeow> it says 1 operation pending down
[06:00] <marz> I'm currently researching about the boot sequence of Linux. Does the BIOS read the MBR and load the bootloader, or does the MBR has a bootloader itself that the BIOS loads?
[06:00] <WhatIsTheMatrix> IgniteMeow: did you only have one partition?
[06:01] <kruxoman> marz: From Sweden?
[06:01] <IgniteMeow> ihhh
[06:01] <IgniteMeow> uhh
[06:01] <IgniteMeow> I have 3 partitions
[06:01] <marz> kruxoman: Sorry but no.
[06:01] <WhatIsTheMatrix> ahhh! i thought you  would have more than one  partition since you were having a strange issue/error
[06:02] <IgniteMeow> oh shit
[06:02] <IgniteMeow> I deleted it already lol
[06:02] <WhatIsTheMatrix> it's ok
[06:02] <WhatIsTheMatrix> are they all deleted yet?
[06:02] <IgniteMeow> want me to delete all of them?
[06:02] <WhatIsTheMatrix> yes...
[06:02] <Raliegh> Hello, would anyone be able to offer me direct one-on-one assistance with getting a node.js and bash script to auto-restart upon failure, and auto-start on server start? I can pay, it's very high priority for me right now. I've tried both supervisor and upstart but neither work.
[06:03] <IgniteMeow> okay done
[06:03] <somsip_> Raliegh: may I suggest a freelancer site like oDesk?
[06:03] <jeffrey_f> marz: The BIOS is very low level instructions to the CPU to process startup tests then to load from the specified media as specified in your BIOS Settings.  The BIOS still has low level control over hardware.
[06:04] <WhatIsTheMatrix> IgniteMeow: okay. i don't think you need to reboot. you used to have to when re-partitioning. if you want you can reboot and then do the install. or you can click on the Install Ubuntu icon on the left menu bar on the desktop
[06:05] <IgniteMeow> uhh whats with alll these disconnects o.o
[06:05] <WhatIsTheMatrix> IgniteMeow: don't know. might be having like a 'netsplit' on the irc servers here
[06:07] <IgniteMeow> wait a minute...I hav
[06:07] <IgniteMeow> have 2 partions left..../dev/sda2 and /dev/sda5
[06:07] <IgniteMeow> it wont let me delete dem D:
[06:07] <WhatIsTheMatrix> ohhh?!?
[06:07] <WhatIsTheMatrix> quit gparted then for the moment
[06:07] <IgniteMeow> k
[06:08] <WhatIsTheMatrix> in the terminal, try --> sudo cfdisk
[06:08] <WhatIsTheMatrix> does the install usb have 'cfdisk'?
[06:08] <IgniteMeow> okay I did that
[06:08] <IgniteMeow> there is like this...weird stuff
[06:08] <WhatIsTheMatrix> okay... it has cfdisk?
[06:08] <IgniteMeow> mhm
[06:08] <WhatIsTheMatrix> is cfdisk running?
[06:09] <IgniteMeow> mhm
[06:09] <WhatIsTheMatrix> okay...
[06:09] <WhatIsTheMatrix> hang on.. been a long time since i used cfdisk
[06:10] <WhatIsTheMatrix> IgniteMeow: the actual command should have been   sudo cfdisk /dev/sda   ..but it might be displaying your hard drive partitions anyway even though we didn't put in the  /dev/sda
[06:10] <IgniteMeow> yea it is
[06:11] <WhatIsTheMatrix> IgniteMeow: okay.. good
[06:11] <IgniteMeow> should I delete both of themwith dat
[06:11] <WhatIsTheMatrix> IgniteMeow: yes
[06:11] <IgniteMeow> select it then switch to delete and enter?
[06:11] <IgniteMeow> k
[06:11] <IgniteMeow> worked! :D
[06:11] <WhatIsTheMatrix> IgniteMeow: yep.. use the  arrow keys to  navigate
[06:11] <WhatIsTheMatrix> IgniteMeow: awesome!
[06:11] <IgniteMeow> now do I run install?
[06:12] <WhatIsTheMatrix> IgniteMeow: yes
[06:13] <WhatIsTheMatrix> IgniteMeow: looks like you  were having problems that gparted couldn't handle for some reason, but cfdisk did
[06:13] <WhatIsTheMatrix> IgniteMeow: you should be okay after installing now, i'll bet
[06:13] <IgniteMeow> okay. so "The computer currently has Ubuntu 12.04.3 LTS on it. What would you like to do
[06:14] <IgniteMeow> should I clck Erase Ubuntu.12.04.3 LTS and reinstall
[06:14] <WhatIsTheMatrix> IgniteMeow: maybe you should reboot first
[06:14] <IgniteMeow> okay closing laptop then :p
[06:15] <WhatIsTheMatrix> IgniteMeow: okay... that might still be grub in the MBR.. might still say the same thing even after rebooting
[06:15] <sideup66> hello room
[06:16] <WhatIsTheMatrix> IgniteMeow: if it does, then  yes, i'd say yes, erase and reinstall
[06:16] <IgniteMeow> okay at da ubuntu loading screen. waiting patiently ;p
[06:16] <WhatIsTheMatrix> okay... let it load
[06:16] <sideup66> im back with another wireless issue :/ again, it seems that my wireless card now works just fine, however, I cannot seem to get it to recconnect to the network if say, the router goes out without unplugging/replugging the wireless adapter
[06:17] <sideup66> it will try to connect but be unsuccessful
[06:18] <IgniteMeow> ehh the installer crashed
[06:18] <IgniteMeow> I'll work on this tomorrow
[06:18] <IgniteMeow> bye all D:
[06:18] <IgniteMeow> sleepy time.
[06:19] <WhatIsTheMatrix> IgniteMeow: okay
[06:19] <IgniteMeow> thanks whatisthematrix for the help
[06:19] <IgniteMeow> we will continue this tomorrow :p
[06:19] <WhatIsTheMatrix> IgniteMeow: you're welcome
[06:20] <WhatIsTheMatrix> IgniteMeow: sure. you might let the thing load a bit before you select to go into Ubuntu or the installer. but anyway, i bet you'll be able to boot now if you can install
[06:20] <ThomasB> What is the channel for 14.04 discussion?
[06:20] <WhatIsTheMatrix> ThomasB: ubuntu+1
[06:20] <sideup66> also in general, it seems that this device is kinda finicky on the network
[06:21] <ThomasB> WhatIsTheMatrix, Thank you!
[06:21] <WhatIsTheMatrix> ThomasB: you're wlcome
[06:21] <sideup66> somtimes itll just drop off for no good reason, also if it loses connection as stated, it wont come back unless the dongle is physically removed from the usb port and reinserted in which wireless function immediately restores and works as advertised
[06:22] <jeffrey_f> sideup66: does that dongle heat up at any point or is it temperature pretty much stable?
[06:23] <sideup66> in the days the machine ran win7, it would get *ever so slightly* warm, but nowhere near a cause for an alarm, here it actually stays cool to be honest
[06:23] <sideup66> and in windows 7 it never had a problem (mom used it, non tech savvy user and I wouldve heard it if otherwise)
[06:23] <WhatIsTheMatrix> old usb wireless adapter?
[06:24] <daniel_ra> hello world!
[06:24] <nearst> echo
[06:25] <daniel_ra> echo 'hello world!';
[06:25] <sideup66> did you suspect faulty adapter?
[06:25] <nearst> haha
[06:25] <WhatIsTheMatrix> not really
[06:25] <jeffrey_f> sideup66: how old is the adapter?  Have you tried a different one?
[06:26] <sideup66> only one I have, and its fairly new, these adapters are pretty good honestly, and as stated, I believe the issue is software as it ran for a good while under windows 7, before this machine ran linux without incident or connection issue
[06:26] <nearst> do lspci for make it specific ?
[06:26] <WhatIsTheMatrix> i got a cheap one not long ago and it seemed to work pretty good. but i still wanted a better and got an Asus N-66. now i get three out of five signal strength bars, instead of just one
[06:27] <daniel_ra> spanish?..
[06:27] <WhatIsTheMatrix> errr, three out of four bars i mean
[06:28] <jeffrey_f> sideup66: Run  --> lspci |grep net
[06:28] <sideup66> my signal is just fine, where this thing will be located is near the router anyway (netgear r6300, DA BEAST :D) so plenty of signal coming
[06:28] <sideup66> sure thing
[06:28] <WhatIsTheMatrix> nice... i'm a ways from the router here
[06:29] <jeffrey_f> sideup66:  Are you too close?  How far away?
[06:29] <sideup66> jeffrey_f: all that did was list my internal adapters, this is on a usb dongle
[06:30] <WhatIsTheMatrix> can you disable the internal adapters in your bios?
[06:30] <sideup66> matrix: yeah this was about 15 bucks approx, for some reason the netgear would throw hissyfits when the internal one was on, throttled down the entire 2.4 band to 150...yuck, so we bought this guy to get around it
[06:31] <sideup66> the wireless, I had disabled earlier today per the instruction of another user via modprobe restricted to stop a conflict between it and the usb device, now the usb device is seen and the other one is just a ethernet adapter
[06:31] <jeffrey_f> sideup66: I'm just wondering if you are physically too close to the router or if you have other transmitting devices (cell, cordless, etc) near to your wireless dongle....Signal splash as well as other devices yelling louder than the dongle could cause disconnects
[06:32] <sideup66> (normally cranked out 300-450)
[06:33] <sideup66> jeffrey_f: its a fair point, i mean i was simulating a disconnect I mean, the router very rarely goes down but in the freak event it does, since this will be mining cryptocurrency, I wont be around to get it going if the link died for whatever reason, it just wont reconnect on its own
[06:33] <sideup66> the router is screaming and to be honest, there is no landline in my house and my phone is off
[06:35] <sideup66> also only one floor away from the router, it never drops when its on, i had it running in shell for an entire night last night and no issues
[06:36] <WhatIsTheMatrix> i don't know much about wireless here really. and really rusty on networking too. i can't be of much help
[06:36] <Raliegh> Would anyone here be able to explain like you would a child on how to make a proper cron job to backup a specific folder? The documentation is so clutter with the information it's ridiculously hard to keep track of.
[06:37] <nearst> i dont see the point with ubuntu related
[06:37] <sideup66> ok, thanks for trying :) I do appreciate it
[06:37] <WhatIsTheMatrix> sure.. i was just curious about stuff really
[06:37] <WhatIsTheMatrix> couldn't help
[06:37] <sideup66> im thinking maybe I can write a clever cronjob to check the lan every minute or so and if its down, just issue an automatic reboot, not a fix but itll work around
[06:38] <sideup66> as I said this machine is going to be a bot, so itll be unattended for long periods of time
[06:38] <WhatIsTheMatrix> sideup66: someone will probably be able to help more tomorrow. getting late now
[06:39] <jeffrey_f> sideup66: Just trying to move away any obvious and common issues
[06:40] <sideup66> hm i see
[06:40] <WhatIsTheMatrix> time for bed here. take care all, and good luck
[06:40] <sideup66> jeffrey_f: should I get you still the lshw
[06:40] <sideup66> so you can see the driver on the adapter?
[06:40] <sideup66> and good night matrix
[06:41] <nearst> what mean machine is goin to be bot?
[06:41] <sideup66> and the driver for the dongle is rt8192cu
[06:41] <sideup66> nearst: what do you mean? itll be a bitcoin miner :)
[06:41] <sideup66> dogecoin
[06:42] <sideup66> getting so much wow and currency
[06:42] <sideup66> rtl I mean*
[06:43] <nearst> ah. clear now. lol
[06:43] <somsip_> Raliegh: example: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6643888/
[06:44] <sideup66> nearst: thats why Im trying to determine this, as stated I wonder if a simple script can be written and thrown in the root crontab...
[06:46] <hellyeah> ubuntu 13.10 sucks
[06:46] <hellyeah> there are two major problems
[06:47] <gry> yes?
[06:47] <YOURBESTFRIEND> go on
[06:47] <hellyeah> first when you boot your computer sometimes it will drop yo to pure shall di ont know how can i tell
[06:47] <hellyeah> sometimes i need to reboot it three time in order to see username and password screen
[06:47] <hellyeah> i got blank screen
[06:47] <hellyeah> system cannot be started correctly
[06:48] <YOURBESTFRIEND> you should file a bug report if there isn't one already
[06:48] <hellyeah> if you ask any question i will try to explain clearly
[06:48] <gry> check logs
[06:48] <hellyeah> my english is not good i am sorry
[06:48] <hellyeah> second of all
[06:48] <hellyeah> i am suspending my machine
[06:48] <hellyeah> and it cannopt wake up correctly
[06:49] <hellyeah> i just have to close my computer from switch and open again
[06:49] <hellyeah> this two problems are really annoying
[06:49] <DF3D2> I have lubuntu installed and I have nothing really open and it is using 1.3gb of ram? seems like alot for lubuntu
[06:49] <hellyeah> and what is that message kvim disabled by bios
[06:49] <YOURBESTFRIEND> hellyeah: do you have enough swap?
[06:49] <hellyeah> YOURBESTFRIEND:  i have 1.5 gb swap is it enough
[06:50] <YOURBESTFRIEND> hellyeah: if you have 1.5 GB of ram, yes
[06:50] <hellyeah> i have 12 gb ram
[06:50] <hellyeah> do i need to have 12 gb swap?
[06:50] <YOURBESTFRIEND> not sure which one of suspend or hibernate actually uses the hard drive
[06:51] <hellyeah> guess hibernate use hdd
[06:55] <Richhh> m'off
[06:59] <MarkDavies> Hi
[06:59] <Kellog> good eve
[06:59] <MarkDavies> Are rc*.d/ directories still meaningfull in Ubuntu?
[06:59] <MarkDavies> Also, where can I set the default run-level for Ubuntu?
[06:59] <MarkDavies> I mean, the file /etc/inittab doesn't exist any longer.
[07:00] <Kellog> all questions above my pay grade
[07:01] <Kellog> i need lamp stack support
[07:01] <somsip_> Kellog: just ask the question
[07:03] <Kellog> lamp stack is in place, trying to import an existing .sql database how do i do it?
[07:04] <somsip_> Kellog mysql -u {user} -p {database} < file.sql
[07:05] <Kellog> thx
[07:13] <XATRIX> How can i manage the order of the start scripts ?
[07:13] <somsip_> !upstart | XATRIX
[07:13] <XATRIX> ok, thnaks
[07:20] <cvtsd> ughh anyone here?
[07:21] <cvtsd> cvtsx: are you there?
[07:21] <somsip_> !anyone
[07:27] <kskksksk> Recently i installed remastersys and now i am not able to change plymouth themes. I want windows 7 or any other theme, but now nothing is possible. Only one theme is taking over. that is very simple progrress theme, i installed plymouth manager, also from command line, command coompletes no error but theme is not changing, why?? i m running ubuntu 12.04.3
[07:28] <kskksksk> Linux ubuntu 3.8.0-29-generic #42~precise1-Ubuntu SMP Wed Aug 14 16:19:23 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[07:30] <cvtsd> saberx01: hey man  finally got the znc working ;)
[07:30] <cvtsd> SaberX01: finally got znc to work ;) thanks for the help the other day
[07:30] <kskksksk> hi
[07:33] <clypso> Hello.
[07:41] <Apachez> any recommended way to resize /boot partition when you use encrypted partition for / ?
[07:42] <FloodBot1> !netsplit
[07:46] <xro> Hi, i try to figure out my vpn client does not start... I get "Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module"". I installed canberra-gtk-module... Have you an idea?
[07:50] <cvtsd> how do i open a file in command line (vps putty)?
[07:51] <somsip_> cvtsd: what do you mean by 'open'?
[07:51] <cvtsd> read it
[07:51] <cvtsd> since its a znc log
[07:51] <somsip_> cvtsd: use less {filename} or edit it with nano or vi
[07:52] <cvtsd> less?
[07:52] <somsip_> cvtsd: yes
[07:52] <cvtsd> hmm what about nano, i heard of it and i think it comes pre installed on 12.04 server, right?
[07:52] <somsip_> cvtsd: it should be
[07:52] <cvtsd> how would i open it with nano
[07:52] <somsip_> !info nano precise
[07:53] <somsip_> cvtsd: all command tend to be 'command {filename}'
[07:53] <cvtsd> k
[07:54] <md_nfs> hello all
[07:54] <cvtsd> how can i see the size of the file?
[07:54] <somsip_> cvtsd: ls -la in the directory
[07:55] <md_nfs> is there any command to stop multiple cron job without killing and once again start that
[07:56] <cvtsd> how can i see it in megabytes? And thx man ;)
[07:56] <somsip_> cvtsd: ls -lah
[07:57] <cvtsd> thanks man, and is there a "/?" option like in windows cmd. it shows a description of the command and all of its operators
[07:57] <somsip_> cvtsd: use the manual (man ls) but usually --help will give a short version
[07:58] <kruxoman> cvtsd: man ls
[07:58] <helmut_> hi
[07:58] <cvtsd> thanks, didnt know that. its going to help a ton
[07:58] <kruxoman> I like ls -lah
[07:58] <linuxlite> the colors in my terminal is not working
[07:59] <linuxlite> i modified the ~/.bashrc long time ago
[07:59] <linuxlite> the force color prompt=yes doesnt work
[07:59] <somsip_> linuxlite: what do they do compared to what they should do?
[08:00] <somsip_> !bash | cvtsd a primer on bash commands is here
[08:00] <cvtsd> thanks
[08:01] <somsip_> kruxoman: I get the idea -h makes a lot of commands into a human readable form.
[08:01] <cvtsd> yeah i read that (more of skimmed). retained some of the information
[08:02] <trisquelgnu_> hi
[08:02] <cvtsd> how do i ^X ?
[08:02] <cvtsd> isnt it alt + x?
[08:02] <klmnooo> hello
[08:02] <somsip_> cvtsd: CTRL with X
[08:02] <Raliegh> Would anyone care to help me figure out why I can't install node-sass on my Ubuntu 12.04?
[08:02] <klmnooo> i think its ctrl x yea
[08:02] <cvtsd> o ok thanks man
[08:02] <Raliegh> http://pastebin.com/yKP9NWyr
[08:03] <Raliegh> That's my error log. It's quite prevalent that I get this installed.
[08:03] <trisquelgnu_> klmnooo: i have a laptop and it has 2gb ram i was planning to add some more ram, will it enhance the system performance?
[08:03] <somsip_> Raliegh: read the error log. It tells you why
[08:03] <Raliegh> somsip_ I did.
[08:04] <somsip_> Raliegh: then you missed it
[08:04] <Raliegh> somsip_ Failed at the node-sass@0.7.0
[08:04] <cvtsd> trisquelgnu: probably
[08:04] <Raliegh> That's not exactly helpful.
[08:04] <Raliegh> Perhaps you could impart your wisdom?
[08:04] <aeon-ltd> trisquelgnu_: well are you currently maxing out ram usage? or using the swap file a lot?
[08:04] <somsip_> Raliegh: well, it's quite a poor question. Sort of 'can you read my log for me': Line 3512 2195 error Tell the author that this fails on your system:
[08:04] <trisquelgnu_> aeon-ltd: no
[08:05] <somsip_> Raliegh: line 3510 This is most likely a problem with the node-sass package,
[08:05] <Raliegh> Yeah, it can't be that it doesn't run on Ubuntu 12.04, as I found ONE thread saying that it compiles fine on this system.
[08:05] <aeon-ltd> trisquelgnu_: how much are you using? in percentage
[08:05] <Raliegh> So no, I was asking to find the true problem in the log, instead of just reading the default canned message they give when failing.
[08:05] <klmnooo> It depends on how much ram your laptop is using right now
[08:06] <trisquelgnu_> aeon-ltd: but when i try editing a large video file the system takes a lot of time and still shows very little progress and i quit midway. or some times when i open a image with a high resolution then the system freezes for some time
[08:07] <klmnooo> That can also depend on how fast your cpu and vga is
[08:07] <trisquelgnu_> klmnooo: ok..
[08:07] <klmnooo> But next time you do that check how much ram is being used
[08:07] <klmnooo> if its maxing your ram out then it will help if not its being slowed down by other parts
[08:08] <trisquelgnu_> klmnooo: aeon-ltd i have 2 gb ram and intel core i3
[08:08] <aeon-ltd> trisquelgnu_: how much are you using in percentage?
[08:08] <cvtsd> get a ssd ;)
[08:09] <trisquelgnu_> aeon-ltd: well that will fluctutate if i open more resource intensive apps right?
[08:09] <aeon-ltd> yes
[08:10] <aeon-ltd> when you max out your system will write to the hdd in place of ram, that's when you'll need more ram
[08:10] <klmnooo> so when it does get slow check it if its full you will know if its the ram or not
[08:10] <trisquelgnu_> klmnooo: ok and how can i check it?
[08:11] <klmnooo> quite new to ubuntu so idk actualy
[08:11] <cvtsd> how can i see when a file was last modified?
[08:11] <somsip_> cvtsd: ls -la
[08:12] <cvtsd> thx man ;)
[08:12] <trisquelgnu_> aeon-ltd: how can i check my ram usage when using a resource intensive app?
[08:12] <aeon-ltd> trisquelgnu_: activity monitor, or if you like using the terminal get htop
[08:13] <Apachez> whats the defaultsize of /boot in ubuntu 13.10?
[08:13] <trisquelgnu_> aeon-ltd: klmnooo and if both the cpu and ram usage is very high then what should i do?
[08:14] <klmnooo> then its not just the ram its both and on a laptop you can really replace a cpu
[08:14] <clypso> Hello
[08:14] <klmnooo> your comp is just being overused
[08:14] <aeon-ltd> trisquelgnu_: nothing you can do about the cpu, besides running less stuff that uses up cpu
[08:15] <klmnooo> but improving the ram would help but cpu is holding you back also :(
[08:15] <aeon-ltd> trisquelgnu_: more ram would help if ram is the only issue
[08:15] <clypso> Hows life everyone ?
[08:15] <klmnooo> pretty good haha
[08:15] <clypso> Good :)
[08:16] <somsip_> clypso: that's more of an off-topic question. Do you have a support issue?
[08:16] <aeon-ltd> trisquelgnu_: if you're editing a lot of video especially in hd then you should consider getting a desktop (or assembling one) for future proofing
[08:16] <klmnooo> just installed ubuntu since my windows kinda died
[08:16] <clypso> Playing with my ubuntu right now.
[08:16] <MarkDavies> how should I install Brother DCP150C on Ubuntu?
[08:16] <clypso> Was just cerious. Any recommended websites for learning on the terminal commands ?
[08:16] <klmnooo> mark check if the driver for is compatible with lunix
[08:16] <somsip_> !bash | clypso
[08:17] <clypso> Thank you :)
[08:17] <kruxoman> Ctrl+Alt+T often works too for opening the terminal
[08:17] <MarkDavies> klmnooo: it is as I've installed it once, but I know that if you don't do it the right way, then you can expect problems.
[08:18] <clypso> Yes
[08:19] <klmnooo> Im not to sure sorry
[08:20] <trisquelgnu_> klmnooo: how did yours windows died?
[08:21] <hellyeah> ubuntu always have some bugs
[08:22] <trisquelgnu_> klmnooo: and how will a desktop be better than a laptop?
[08:22] <trisquelgnu_> aeon-ltd: how is desktop better than a laptop?
[08:22] <somsip_> trisquelgnu_: these general questions are nothing to do with ubuntu support. Can you stay on subject please. Thanks
[08:24] <trisquelgnu_> somsip_: ok sure!
[08:25] <klmnooo> somsip_ do you know how to open a ppa file?
[08:25] <ikonia> a ppa file ?
[08:25] <ikonia> a PPA is a software repository, not a file
[08:25] <ikonia> !ppa | klmnooo
[08:25] <somsip_> klmnooo: like he said :)
[08:26] <klmnooo> Well I got a ppa file and installed it
[08:26] <lotuspsychje> how come sudo halt doesnt work and sudo halt -p does?
[08:26] <ikonia> klmnooo: I doubt that very much
[08:26] <klmnooo> was following directions from http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/17sov5/
[08:26] <klmnooo> it asks me to open a file but dont know how to do that
[08:27] <ikonia> klmnooo: where does it say "open a file"
[08:27] <klmnooo> Open hda-jack-retask
[08:27] <ikonia> klmnooo: that's not a file, that's a program
[08:27] <ikonia> klmnooo: that's the program you have installed
[08:27] <klmnooo> oh how do i do that?
[08:27] <ikonia> klmnooo: it sounds like your experience level should not be doing this
[08:27] <klmnooo> I know but i need the sound driver
[08:27] <somsip_> lotuspsychje: dodgy alias setup?? (wild stab)
[08:28] <MarkDavies> ok, there are two files
[08:28] <MarkDavies> one is CUPS, the other is LPR
[08:28] <MarkDavies> should I install both?
[08:28] <MarkDavies> Which of them first?
[08:28] <lotuspsychje> somsip_: dont think so mate, after sudo halt it just freezes at the part it should poweroff( system will now halt)
[08:28] <ikonia> MarkDavies: it doesn't matter, they will both need each other
[08:29] <ikonia> MarkDavies: cups is the printing system (think drivers) lpr is the actual printing commands
[08:29] <somsip_> lotuspsychje: oh, like *that*. I had it before and solved it using -p too. No idea why.
[08:29] <ikonia> lotuspsychje: halt does not power off
[08:29] <ikonia> lotuspsychje: halt "halts" the system
[08:29] <lotuspsychje> somsip_: oh well, no big deal the -p works
[08:30] <ikonia> that's why -p (power off) is needed to power it off
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> ikonia: can you explain in wich cases a halt only is needed?
[08:30] <somsip_> lotuspsychje: oh yeah - I added a 'halt=sudo halt -p' alias. That's why I thought it was somewthing alias related
[08:30] <ikonia> lotuspsychje it's legacy, it's for non-desktop computers, such as enterprise servers that have an obp or pre-boot enviornment
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> ikonia: i see tnx!
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> i recently fixxed a laptop that had shutdown freeze from regular shutdown button, with something in bios
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> not sure wich option fixxed it, it had a dbus warning
[08:35] <lotuspsychje> are there any gui packages to enable TRIM on ssd from ubuntu?
[08:35] <ikonia> lotuspsychje: it's 1 word in the fstab....do you really need a gui
[08:35] <lotuspsychje> ikonia: the fstab trick is the only thing needed to tweak?
[08:36] <ikonia> lotuspsychje: you need to do more research before asking questions, it's turning into a spoon feeding channel for you,
[08:37] <lotuspsychje> ikonia: i asked if someone know any gui for it, not the solution...
[08:37] <ikonia> lotuspsychje yes, because you don't know how to enable it
[08:37] <ikonia> lotuspsychje: hence why I informed you that it's 1 word in the fstab, do you really need a gui application for that
[08:38] <lotuspsychje> ikonia: never mind, ill ask another time when more happy supporters are on
[08:38] <ikonia> lotuspsychje I think you'll find I'm quite happy and I've given you the answer
[08:38] <MarkDavies> Unfortunately this does not work
[08:38] <MarkDavies> How  can I remove the packages installed?
[08:38] <ikonia> lotuspsychje: calling people "unhappy" because they are trying to get you to think a littlebit for yourself won't really change
[08:38] <ikonia> MarkDavies: use the package manager interface your confortable with
[08:38] <thedoctar> how do you change the default preedit window position for sunpinyin with ibus. I'm using lubuntu 13.10. The problem is it currently displays at the bottom left-hand corner of the window and when the window is maximised, the window is off-screen.
[08:39] <MarkDavies> ikonia: I use a terminal, but how can I know what is the name of the package I installed?
[08:39] <ikonia> MarkDavies you installed the packages using the names, you should know the names you used
[08:40] <thedoctar> ~/.bash_history is a history of commands you entered
[08:40] <xmetal> good grief
[08:40] <thedoctar> there's probably a log in /var/log for dpkg
[08:40] <thedoctar> or apt
[08:40] <thedoctar> or whatever
[08:40] <somsip_> thedoctar: just type 'history' for future reference
[08:40] <thedoctar> oh cool; didn't know that
[08:40] <MarkDavies> I meant that I had a name of the file, not of the package.
[08:40] <somsip_> thedoctar: I alias to h as I use it often
[08:40] <MarkDavies> But I managed to remove the package anyway (it seems).
[08:41] <ikonia> MarkDavies you still need the package name to install it with the gui
[08:41] <thedoctar> history | grep apt-get
[08:41] <ikonia> sorry with the interface
[08:41] <MarkDavies> ikonia: usually I don't use gui
[08:41] <ikonia> MarkDavies I just corrected myself and said interface
[08:41] <thedoctar> does anyone know how to change the default position of the preedit window for ibus pinyin?
[08:43] <somsip_> thedoctar: in the absence of help here, maybe https://code.google.com/p/sunpinyin/issues/list
[08:45] <thedoctar> lol i can't read the chinese; i'm not that good
[08:45] <LiuYan> ibus-pinyin is not sunpinyin
[08:46] <somsip_> thedoctar: I did notice that but assumed you'd be able to. oh well
[08:46] <thedoctar> lol :( i'm just beginning to learn
[08:48] <TJ-> MarkDavies: To discover the name of a package containing a known packaged file (as opposed to an application-created file) use "dpkg-query -S $SOME_FILENAME_FRAGMENT"
[08:49] <uuser> Got a question on C. Anyone can help? Couldn't find channel on C so asking here
[08:49] <somsip_> uuser: try ##c I think
[08:49] <somsip_> !alis | uuser
[08:49] <MarkDavies> I know that it is possible to install this driver from OpenPrinter driver, but it is included in a driver with a different name
[08:49] <MarkDavies> how can I check which the printer will be suitable for me?
[08:49] <MarkDavies> TJ-: thanks
[08:49] <uuser> ##c none seems to be active
[08:50] <somsip_> uuser: use alis then?
[08:50] <uuser> Let me try
[08:55] <MarkDavies> It doesn't work... I installed Brother1200... any ideas? :(
[08:55] <TJ-> MarkDavies: (that is for already-installed packages). For uninstalled packages you'd need to install "apt-file" then do "apt-file update" followed by "apt-file search $SOME_FILENAME_FRAGMENT"
[08:56] <MarkDavies> TJ-: thanks, but it seems that it is of no use anyway...
[08:56] <MarkDavies> I send a document to the printer, it was in the queue for 3 seconds, then disappeared, nothing's being printed
[08:57] <uuser> Alis didn't seem to work.  I'm on phone
[08:58] <ikonia> uuser not this channels problem, if the alis bot is not working ask for help in #freenode please.
[08:59] <ikonia> uuser: also you never joined ##c - so I don't know how you can say "it's not active"
[08:59] <uuser> Just a question on C. May I here?
[08:59] <ikonia> uuser: no
[08:59] <uuser> I joined but none replies there
[08:59] <ikonia> uuser I'm in ##c - you did not join
[09:00] <uuser> I meant I joined few minutes earlier currently not in there
[09:00] <ikonia> uuser I've been in ##c for months - you did no join
[09:02] <uuser> I'll have to register there? What does it mean? I'm new to irc protocol
[09:03] <ikonia> uuser: join #freenode and ask
[09:03] <linuxlite> hello
[09:03] <MarkDavies> But wait. There is a communication between the printer and the computer! The printer displays "accepting data".
[09:03] <topper4125> !hello
[09:03] <linuxlite> my terminal color is still not working guys
[09:04] <MarkDavies> However, nothing is printed.
[09:04] <somsip_> linuxlite: so what do you expect and what is it doing?
[09:04] <MarkDavies> How do you think, what may be wrong, what can I check to gain some information?
[09:04] <thedoctar> MarkDavies: lol; is there paper in the printer and ink?
[09:05] <linuxlite> it should show color highlighting on nano somsip_
[09:05] <somsip_> linuxlite: what language?
[09:05] <somsip_> linuxlite: or try the first search result I found: http://askubuntu.com/questions/90013/how-do-i-enable-syntax-highlighting-in-nano
[09:05] <linuxlite> english
[09:06] <thedoctar> lol english
[09:06] <somsip_> linuxlite: *programming* language
[09:06] <thedoctar> rofl
[09:06] <linuxlite> ok my bad sorry,php
[09:06] <thedoctar> i use gedit!
[09:06] <somsip_> linuxlite: so, check that link and make sure you have a php.nanorc where it says you should have one
[09:06] <Dat> how can I convert my root fs into an LVM?
[09:06] <linuxlite> im using leafpad but my eyes are hurting iwant to use nano with colors
[09:06] <ikonia> Dat you can't
[09:07] <linuxlite> theres no link
[09:07] <ikonia> Dat: a manual migration is the only way, which needs lots of spare disk and skill
[09:07] <Dat> ikonia: :(
[09:07] <thedoctar> linuxlite: try gedit! it's a simple gui text editor with syntax highlighting
[09:07] <alokyadav15> Try sublime text
[09:07] <linuxlite> sompsip_ icant see the link
[09:07] <linuxlite> well is that gui gedit
[09:07] <somsip_> linuxlite: http://is.gd/7JKroK
[09:07] <Dat> ikonia: I'd hate to have to start over
[09:08] <pcpcpc> Hello, is there any way to change the MOUNT-Passphrase for ecryptfs?
[09:08] <ikonia> Dat: that doesn't change what I just said
[09:08] <Dat> ikonia: true I'm going to keep researching that has got to be away
[09:09] <ikonia> Dat there is - it requires lots of spare disk and a good skill level
[09:09] <linuxlite> ill check that out somsip_
[09:09] <ikonia> Dat: however to "convert" it - there is no way
[09:11] <alex_> hi all
[09:11] <alex_> I have installed ubuntu 13.04 and I think I installed the boot loader in the wrong device
[09:11] <alex_> how could I install grub on another device manually ?
[09:12] <bekks> alex_: USe grub-install
[09:13] <alex_> bekks, how to know which one is the device that boots ?
[09:13] <alex_> and what's the EFI partition ?
[09:13] <ikonia> alex_ the one you set in the bios
[09:13] <bekks> alex_: Whats the actual issue behind all that?
[09:13] <alex_> well .. I installed ubuntu on a device and I created an EFI partition of 2 GB
[09:14] <alex_> I dunno if I had to create it
[09:14] <alex_> but when I created a new partition table without EFI partition ... the installer told me that could not mount the EFI partion (or something like that)
[09:15] <TJ-> pcpcpc: See "man ecryptfs-rewrap-passphrase"
[09:16] <MarkDavies> If the printer accepts data, but does not print it, is it still possible that something is wrong with drivers?
[09:17] <elmosanches> \part
[09:17] <elmosanches> \
[09:18] <TJ-> Dat: To convert to LVM, first you'll need sufficient spare space to create a VG and LV container, then bitwise-copy the root-fs into it, update the "/etc/fstab/", "update-initramfs ...", "update-grub", test, then delete the original root-fs.
[09:19] <TJ-> Dat: To eventually use the space currently assigned to the root-fs, you'd be best using a temporary 2nd storage device to create the LV on, then replacing the original root-fs allocated space with a LVM PV, add that PV to the VG, mirror the root LV to use the new PV, break the 2nd drive PV from the mirror, then remove the 2nd drive PV from the VG.
[09:23] <TJ-> MarkDavies: Yes. You should find a print option to "print to file" or similar language, which usually allows you to investigate the raw data being sent to the printer... but I believe nowadays may often be a PDF capture. In that case you'd need to look at the files in "/var/spool/cups/"
[09:23] <Dat> TJ-: hrmm I'll have to play with this adding additional space shouldn't be a problem
[09:24] <TJ-> Dat: It is reasonably straight-forward if do it step-by-step. The initial copying is the bit that takes the time.
[09:25] <Dat> TJ-: I need to make sure I get my step by step instructions right
[09:26] <TJ-> Dat: I've never used it but just found "blocks" which seems to do it in-place. I'd recommend testing it on dummy data and disk first. https://github.com/g2p/blocks#readme
[09:26] <doggie_fresh> can someone tell me how to specify what port you want to use in xchat? for example, 127.0.0.1:6666
[09:26] <TJ-> doggie_fresh: 127.0.0.1/6666
[09:27] <doggie_fresh> TJ: how do i join the server though? i have tried /server ip:port
[09:27] <doggie_fresh> and /server ip/port
[09:27] <Dat> TJ-: I ran across that was a little confused on the modifications I need to make in /etc/fstab
[09:28]  * Dat clones his system
[09:29] <doggie_fresh> tj do you know how?
[09:29] <TJ-> doggie_fresh: "/server irc.freenode.org/6697" just connected me
[09:30] <TJ-> Dat: Modification of /etc/fstab is the easiest part of the lot
[09:30] <doggie_fresh> ok i will try but i have tried that, can you do an ip instead of domain
[09:30] <TJ-> doggie_fresh: yes; hostnames are converted to IPs anyhow for everything on the 'net
[09:31] <Dat> TJ-: looks like I just need to add the LVM entry's
[09:31] <doggie_fresh> i know but i have tried what you tried and its not working
[09:31] <Dat> im cloning my current system to test on
[09:31] <TJ-> Dat: Best to use the UUID ... that will either remain the same, or be easy to discover using "sudo blkid /dev/mapper/$MYVG-$MYLV"
[09:32] <doggie_fresh>  Looking up 54.XXX.29.XXX/6666 * Unknown host. Maybe you misspelled it? XXX to block out ip
[09:32] <doggie_fresh> i did /server before it 2
[09:33] <doggie_fresh> any ideas/help?
[09:34] <Dat> TJ-: so add a new disk, set it to lvm, format it to ext4, mount the new disk, copy the data over to the disk, change the fstab, update the grub config and reboot?
[09:34] <doggie_fresh> i have tried it with ":" also to no avail
[09:34] <doggie_fresh> really annoying
[09:36] <doggie_fresh> got it, if you are curious all you need to do is /server xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx port here
[09:36] <doggie_fresh> thanks TJ for trying ;)
[09:36] <Wavesonics> uuhh whats that command, that runs another command, and highlights the changes in the output?
[09:38] <bekks> Wavesonics: there is no such command. the command you are looking for is "diff" that outlines differences between inputs.
[09:40] <geirha> Wavesonics: You want to compare the outputs of two commands? diff -u <(cmd1) <(cmd2)
[09:41] <bekks> geirha: Oh, noted. :)
[09:54] <TJ-> Dat: sorry, was elsewhere. No, a little simpler than that (or it can be). If there is sufficient space to create an equal or larger-sized LV root-fs container, you can do a block-by-block copy of the file-system itself. You'd have to do all this from a LiveCD/USB though since you don't want the original FS to change in any way whilst the copy is performed
[09:54] <Wavesonics> uh whats that command that calls another command repeatedly, and shows u the dif in the output?
[09:56] <Dat> TJ-: np
[09:58] <thedoctar> Wavesonics: just loop over diff
[09:58] <Dat> TJ-: so add a disk, set to lvm, format to ext4, boot into livecd, mount partitions, copy data, change fstab, reboot?
[09:58] <x_> hello
[09:59] <thedoctar> Wavesonics: search bash forloop
[09:59] <x_> I had a question: ubuntu had automated disk file chek during use ? because just a few minutes ago my hard disk start to work without any reason
[10:00] <thedoctar> x_: i think when you boot fsck is run  on the partitions
[10:00] <linuxuser01> but only when you boot, right?
[10:01] <TJ-> Dat: Assuming a new device with sufficient free space and already using the root account ("sudo -i") which is already partitioned (EFI or MBR): "SIZE=10G; VG=MyVG; NEWDEV=/dev/sdz; OLDPART=/dev/sda2; pvcreate $NEWDEV; vgcreate $VG $NEWDEV; lvcreate --size $SIZE --name rootfs $VG; dd if=$OLDPART of=/dev/$VG/rootfs bs=100M; resize2fs /dev/$VG/rootfs"
[10:01] <TJ-> Dat: At that point you would have (bar any typos on my part!) a duplicate  root-fs on the 2nd device
[10:02] <TJ-> Dat: You'd set the leading environment variables to the values that make sense in your situation
[10:02] <linuxuser01> thedoctar but never during use, right? I not know from where comes so high disk usage
[10:02] <TJ-> Dat: You'd want to verify the new copy is identical to the original file-system *before* you wipe the original, of course.
[10:03] <thedoctar> linuxuser01: maybe if something catastrophic happens it might be run? i don't know
[10:03] <thedoctar> it's just a guess
[10:03] <linuxuser01> thanks you
[10:05] <ozcanesen> hey, i have to install windows after 3 years for testing some business stuff, i know windows going to broke grub configuration, what is the easy way to fix it after installation. ubuntu live usb? can you recommend anything else?
[10:05] <TJ-> Dat: For that you can do "mkdir /mnt/{lv-,}rootfs; mount $OLDPART /mnt/rootfs; mount /dev/$VG/rootfs /mnt/lv-rootfs; diff --brief -r /mnt/rootfs /mnt/lv-rootfs; umount /mnt/{lv-,}rootfs"
[10:06] <TJ-> ozcanesen: Could you install it into a virtual machine instead of onto the bare hardware?
[10:07] <vocx> ozcanesen, I think Ubuntu Live CD should do.
[10:07] <TJ-> Wavesonics: See "man watch" and look at "--difference"
[10:08] <Dat> hrmm
[10:08] <Wavesonics> TJ-, YES! thats it!
[10:08] <ozcanesen> TJ-, i wish but currently i am on very poor laptop so virtual machines is not a good option
[10:09] <skovgaard> hey
[10:09] <skovgaard> any one able to help me with some keyboard key issue
[10:09] <Dat> hrmm ok I guess I have some testing to do
[10:10] <TJ-> ozcanesen: Ahhh, so yes, take precautions :) What I have done in the past is to simply save the master boot record (512 bytes) which contains the boot-strap code and partition table, and use a LiveUSB image to replace it after the other operating system has installed itself.
[10:10] <Dat> TJ-: thanks for the info
[10:10] <TJ-> Dat: Yes :) ... I've done this stuff countless times so I'm confident to just fire off the commands but you should take precautions ... maybe test it in a virtual machine?
[10:11] <skovgaard> really need some help regarding dead keys on keyboard- anyone who can assist
[10:11] <Dat> TJ-: yes waiting for my clone to finish
[10:11] <gordonjcp> !details | skovgaard
[10:11] <thom_r> skovgaard, what is your current layout?
[10:13] <skovgaard> ubuntu 12.10  - hp 2540 p notepad - layout danish. my issue , none of the keys in working, shiftl - shiftr - crtl - alt gr - right ctrl
[10:14] <TJ-> skovgaard: maybe this forum thread will help you? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1801919
[10:17] <skovgaard> i tried to use xkeycaps - - they keys looked to be defined - but they are not registereing if i press them
[10:18] <jimgroth> Hey guys. I need to forward traffic to another webserver if requested domain is X. What should I use?
[10:18] <jimgroth> a webserver in my lan if that makes any dif.
[10:19] <jimgroth> both run ubuntu server
[10:19] <ikonia> jimgroth: you can do it many ways, depends on a few things to decidee the best approach
[10:19] <TJ-> jimgroth: Depends on the way you want to redirect it. You could use a reverse-proxy, or a simple HTTP redirect
[10:19] <jimgroth> I've only got one IP outwards.
[10:19] <ikonia> jimgroth: a website redirect on the first webserver, a dns redirect before that, a firewall redirect, a web cache redirect, etc
[10:20] <jimgroth> yikes
[10:20] <jimgroth> I'm... a noob? :P
[10:20] <ikonia> jimgroth: why don't you explain what you want to do and why
[10:21] <Dat> jimgroth: nginx might be what you want
[10:21] <ikonia> I doubt that
[10:21] <cvtsx> hey, just got my znc to work ;)
[10:21] <ikonia> why would you want ANOTHER web server
[10:21] <jimgroth> I've got two servers at home but only one external IP. There is a web server on both but obviously only one is accessible from the outside.
[10:22] <ikonia> jimgroth do you want the second server that is not visible to the outside world to be visible to the outside world
[10:22] <afiyah> hy
[10:22] <jimgroth> ikonia, yes
[10:22] <ikonia> jimgroth: ok, so you want to "proxy" requests to the second server, but still have them served by the server that is visible to the public internet correct ?
[10:22] <Someus> Hello! I have Lubuntu and trying to install Wolfenstein game. I need to run it as root to install.. I found out that root is locked so i used "sudo -i"... but how to go to home folder as root?
[10:23] <jimgroth> ikonia, I guess so.
[10:23] <TJ-> Someus: "cd $HOME" or absolutely, "cd /root"
[10:23] <jimgroth> I just want both servers able to serve content on the web with separate (sub)domain names.
[10:24] <ikonia> jimgroth ok - so two realistic solutions 1.) do you really need 2 physical servers ? if not migrate the web data from the second to the first 2.) use modproxy on the first server to forward/serve requests from the second server via the first to the public internet
[10:25] <jimgroth> I decided to do it this way to learn something new instead of just treading the path of least resistance (which I tend to do way too often)
[10:25] <Someus> Ok thanks!
[10:25] <jimgroth> Thank you for the tip. I'll read up on modproxy. :)
[10:25] <ikonia> jimgroth you'd be learning how to setup a system that pretty much no-one would use in the real world
[10:26] <jimgroth> How does web hosts usually handle these things?
[10:26] <jimgroth> like those large ones with a big bunch of servers.
[10:27] <ikonia> jimgroth they don't - they would normally do the sane thing such as a.) assign a second IP to the server, b.) migrate the content to the first server
[10:27] <jimgroth> oh.
[10:27] <Someus> Why just someone doesnt make good OS from linux?
[10:27] <Someus> Like windows..
[10:27] <ikonia> jimgroth hence why as solution that no-one would use
[10:27] <Dat> lol
[10:27] <jimgroth> I understand.
[10:28] <ikonia> jimgroth: your solution does have merit to certain web situations, such as distributed applications in a DMZ - but that is a bit more specialist and a more advanced version of what you are doing
[10:28] <TJ-> jimgroth: they are not usually restricted to a single IP. Your scenario is, though, similar to one that many organisations address using a Reverse Proxy - that of providing access to private internal HTTP services from a single public HTTP service.
[10:28] <jimgroth> Maybe I'll leave these things to when I know more about the subject.
[10:29] <ikonia> jimgroth nothing wrong with having a go
[10:29] <TJ-> jimgroth: It's a two-line addition to the public host definition; see http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/mod/mod_proxy.html
[10:29] <jimgroth> Sounds like I should know more about the background to how these things work and why.
[10:30] <jimgroth> I really should go back to school
[10:34] <TJ-> jimgroth: Here's a real example taken from one of my servers. It shows 2 different services provided by 2 different 'back-end' servers being proxied by a single public-facing Apache HTTPD host: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6644659/
[10:35] <jimgroth> TJ-, Thanks. :)
[10:35] <jimgroth> I was just reading about it.
[10:35] <jimgroth> Doesn't look too complicated but I'm still trying to learn what everything means and not just how to do it.
[10:37] <TJ-> jimgroth: practice makes perfect :)
[10:38] <jimgroth> I love the attitude in here. In channels I usually frequent it's more often answers like "If you don't know how to do this you shouldn't be trying"
[10:38] <Dat> time to see if I can convert my root fs now
[10:41] <home555> русский
[10:41] <TJ-> Dat: good luck :)
[10:42] <lotuspsychje> !ru | home555
[10:42] <Dat> yeah might need it
[10:42] <Dat> adding a blank disk as we speak
[11:03] <yam_> is this the right place to ask if i got problems running ubuntu on mac? (i tryed searching the web for solutions before)
[11:05] <yam_> hi, i installed ubuntu 13.04 on my macbook pro 5.1. Besides a bunch of startup problem, i cant get my wifi drivers to work. I looked up System -> Additional Driver --> activate the broadcom driver. I tested it without installing ubuntu from the dvd and it worked just fine. after is installed it i just cant activate it. it just jumps back to the no driver option. i am not that much of a pro, so please keep that in mind while explaining 
[11:08] <allstarsnorks2> Hi guys, I have a question. How do I restore icons that are broken because I have changed files in  /usr/share/icons?
[11:16] <Lope> how can I make my grub pause when I boot? http://codepad.org/d2GLd4w2
[11:18] <gordonjcp> Lope: that should pause
[11:18] <Lucid_Lynx> I could imagine myself to buy Software using Softwarecenter, but updateing every 6 month is not convenient...
[11:18] <kuninok> hi
[11:18] <Lucid_Lynx> the release cycle is to high in my opinion...
[11:18] <ikonia> Lucid_Lynx: then don't use it
[11:19] <ikonia> Lucid_Lynx: or use an LTS version
[11:19] <Rienzilla> lts is a good compromise
[11:19] <Lucid_Lynx> i just started usin 10.04..
[11:19] <Lope> gordon: it does not pause. only if I set a hidden timeout then it pauses
[11:20] <Lucid_Lynx> peace..
[11:21] <Lope> Lucid_Lynx: thats kind of old?
[11:22] <Lucid_Lynx> what do you thing of an release every 2 to 5 years..
[11:24] <Lope> i dunno. I had a perfectly working linux mint mate 15. then I broke it, now upgrading to 16 and its a mission getting everything working
[11:24] <Lope> i'm definitely gonna backup nicely when everything is working
[11:25] <ikonia> Lope: so you're using mint not ubuntu ?
[11:26] <Lope> ikonia still deciding
[11:26] <ikonia> Lope: is it dual booting at the moment or just one OS ?
[11:26] <ikonia> Lope: eg: is the grub from mint or ubuntu
[11:27] <Lope> mint is based on ubuntu but has nicer desktop environment (mate) and comes with useful stuff loaded.
[11:27] <ikonia> Lope: I'm not asking for your view on mint
[11:27] <ikonia> Lope: is the grub provided from mint or ubuntu
[11:27] <Lope> just one boot option
[11:27] <ikonia> Lope: is the grub provided from mint or ubuntu
[11:27] <Lope> min
[11:27] <Lope> mint
[11:27] <ikonia> Lope: then why are you asking in this channel
[11:28] <ikonia> Lope: you've used this channel long enough to know it supports ubuntu - not mint
[11:28] <Lope> surely grub is grub?
[11:28] <ikonia> no
[11:28] <ikonia> and this channel is not "grub support" - it's UBUNTU support, you know this, you've used the channel long enough
[11:28] <Lope> okay
[11:28] <MarkDavies> Lope: what problem do you have?
[11:29] <ikonia> MarkDavies: a problem not for this channel
[11:30] <Lucid_Lynx> and if i buy Software online, i also want to get a paket by DHL..
[11:31] <Lucid_Lynx> or UPS..
[11:31] <DJones> Lucid_Lynx: Please don't troll
[11:31] <Lucid_Lynx> DJones..., you are the operator of this room ?
[11:31] <Lucid_Lynx> stop bothering..
[11:31] <gordonjcp> Mint will be good when they start shipping Unity as the default desktop
[11:34] <inglor> hello, during the upgrade from 13.04 to 13.10 the upgrade progress stopped
[11:35] <inglor> at "Unpacking sysvinit-utils"
[11:35] <inglor> any clue of finding what happened?
[11:35] <V3sp3t1l10> Hi
[11:36] <inglor> The terminal says: Starting Distributed Compiler Daemon: distccd [OK]
[11:37] <glambert> Hi can anyone help with squid-deb-proxy?  it dies whenever I run an apt-get update against it
[11:37] <glambert> from another host
[11:38] <V3sp3t1l10> I cannot, sorry
[11:38] <gry> glambert, check your logs
[11:38] <glambert> Service group file /services/squid-deb-proxy.service vanished, removing services
[11:39] <glambert> that's all I see in syslog, gry
[11:39] <allstarsnorks2> hi guys, how do i fix broken Ubuntu GNOME icons?
[11:39] <glambert> from avahi-daemon
[11:45] <gry> glambert: ok
[11:53] <glambert> if I run "/usr/sbin/squid3 -N -f /etc/squid-deb-proxy/squid-deb-proxy.conf" in terminal, gry, I get a few warnings but otherwise OK and then as soon as I run an apt-get update I get "Aborted (core dumped)" and squid-deb-proxy dies
[11:53] <glambert> any ideas?
[11:56] <bgardner> glambert: I'd start by checking ownership on the cache directories.
[11:57] <glambert> bgardner, /var/cache/squid-deb-proxy is proxy:proxy
[11:57] <bgardner> glambert: Right, but you started it on the command line as who?
[11:57] <glambert> which appears correct
[11:58] <glambert> bgardner, if I do a "service squid-deb-proxy start" it's running as proxy
[11:58] <bgardner> glambert: Okay, any clues in the log files beyond 'core dumped'?
[11:58] <glambert> and whenever I do an apt-get update from a machine using it as a cache it kills the proxy
[11:58] <glambert> > avahi-daemon[21981]: Files changed, reloading.
[11:59] <glambert> > avahi-daemon[21981]: Service group file /services/squid-deb-proxy.service vanished, removing services.
[11:59] <glambert> > avahi-daemon[21981]: No service file found in /etc/avahi/services.
[11:59] <glambert> everytime in syslog
[11:59] <bgardner> glambert: How did you install squid-deb-proxy?
[11:59] <glambert> apt-get afaik
[12:00] <bgardner> glambert: And what is your Ubuntu version?
[12:00] <kskksksk>  i install kde-minimal package to ubuntu 12.04 LTS, everything is working fine, i installed icon only task manager and opened chrome, and right click on task bar icon and set it show launcher when not running, when i ciick it again to open chrome, it is opening with gedit, how to stop that behaviour
[12:00] <glambert> 12.04.3 LTS
[12:00] <kskksksk> i am using KDE 4.8.5
[12:00] <kskksksk> me too glambert
[12:01] <glambert> sorry, I was answering bgardner
[12:02] <allstarsnorks2> Is Ubuntu GNOME a Canonical-supported distribution?
[12:02] <bgardner> glambert: If I were you, I'd apt-get remove --purge and reinstall squid-deb-proxy - have you tried that yet?
[12:02] <MonkeyDust> allstarsnorks2  Canonical is the enterprise behind Ubuntu
[12:06] <glambert> if I run
[12:06] <glambert> tail -f $(ls /var/log | grep -Ev 'gz|lastlog|fail' | grep log | grep -v \.1 | awk '{print "/var/log/"$1}' ) | grep squid
[12:06] <jacob11> guys are there any applications which would show me hard drive usage. not in terms of space but % of rw operations? like windows 8 task manager does
[12:06] <glambert> and then do an apt-get update on the other host to kill squid-deb-proxy I get these lines printed:
[12:06] <loki__> hello
[12:06] <glambert> ERROR: apport (pid 22404) Fri Dec 27 12:05:21 2013: executable: /usr/sbin/squid3 (command line "/usr/sbin/squid3 -N -f /etc/squid-deb-proxy/squid-deb-proxy.conf")
[12:06] <glambert> ERROR: apport (pid 22404) Fri Dec 27 12:05:21 2013: apport: report /var/crash/_usr_sbin_squid3.13.crash already exists and unseen, doing nothing to avoid disk usage DoS
[12:06] <glambert> Dec 27 12:05:21 xenmanager avahi-daemon[21981]: Service group file /services/squid-deb-proxy.service vanished, removing services.
[12:07] <loki__> i want downgrade my ubuntu, and want save home folder
[12:07] <andyfied> first back up your home folder
[12:07] <loki__> what i need delete in my home folder?
[12:07] <loki__> all folder with . at start?
[12:07] <loki__> or it is no need to do this?
[12:07] <MonkeyDust> loki__  backup ypour homefolder, then reinstall your ubuntu version of choice
[12:08] <loki__> =/
[12:08] <loki__> i have no  space to do so massive backup
[12:08] <MonkeyDust> loki__  do you have a separate /home partition?
[12:09] <loki__> i have free space where i want install ubuntu
[12:09] <loki__> i have stability problems with current setup
[12:09] <loki__> so want use again 12.04
[12:09] <glambert> bgardner, do you have any idea what's going wrong based on those log results?
[12:11] <bgardner> glambert: Honestly no - I've not seen that message before.  Hang on a moment.
[12:11] <glambert> ok thanks
[12:16] <ubuntugnomeuser> Hi guys, icons in nautilus are now papers with crosses on them This is after I renamed the gnome theme "gnome2" and the other one as "gnome"
[12:16] <home555> #ubuntu-ru
[12:17] <jimgroth> home555, you join channel by typing /join #ubuntu-ru
[12:17] <jacob11> guys are there any applications which would show me hard drive usage. not in terms of space but % of rw operations? like windows 8 task manager does
[12:17] <home555> generator master key hdd
[12:18] <home555> key: 11217703
[12:18] <gordonjcp> jacob11: you mean like transfer rate?
[12:19] <jacob11> yeah something like that. Windows task manager shows me 100% usage of hard drive even when PC is idle. I installed ubuntu and I want to check if I can monitor usage from here
[12:19] <ubuntugnomeuser> Icons break after renaming "gnome" file to another name and then replacing the "gnome" name with another theme.
[12:20] <Krenair> MonkeyDust, I tried rsync overnight but ended up with my new 2TB disk being full. The partition it was copying from was only 400GB...
[12:20] <bgardner> glambert: Are you seeing my pm?
[12:24] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:27] <Guest99471> ciao
[12:27] <Guest99471> list!
[12:28] <ubuntugnomeuser> Does anyone know how to solve my situation?
[12:30] <ObrienDave> don't do that?
[12:31] <ubuntugnomeuser> i just did
[12:33] <cfhowlett> !patience|ubuntugnomeuser,
[12:36] <ubuntugnomeuser> I have just renamed the default GNOME folder and replaced it with another theme. Now, nautilus gives me a crosses paper icon. How do I fix this while making the icons the same
[12:37] <ikonia> ubuntugnomeuser: put the old folder back, get it working first, then move forward
[12:47] <home555> ertyu]\\
[12:47] <ubuntugnomeuser> got it working by editing the index file and putting Inherits as the gnome icons
[12:48] <nino> ciao
[12:49] <fire> i have installed steam, how can i delete the games inside the stema ?
[12:49] <fire> found it :)
[12:52] <ArunC> Hi, I'm using Ubuntu 13.10. I am writing a multithreaded app, in which I expect all the threads to bind and listen on a port using the SO_REUSEADDR and SO_REUSEPORT options that were introduced in kernel 3.9.
[12:53] <ArunC> But except one thread, all the other are getting bind error.
[12:53] <ArunC> Here is my uname: Linux arun-ubu 3.11.0-14-generic #21-Ubuntu SMP Tue Nov 12 17:04:55 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[12:55] <ezra-s> ArunC, probably because they are trying to bind to the same address/port, the info you are giving to get help is ridiculous btw.
[12:56] <piglit>  in windows there is the windows button and then arrow left sets a window on the left side of the monitor and windows button and right arrow sets the active window on the right half of the monitor. How do i do this in linux ?
[12:57] <rijack> just drag it to the edge piglet
[12:57] <rijack> for ubuntu
[13:00] <ArunC> ezra-s: Please check this https://lwn.net/Articles/542629/
[13:00] <kam270> hi  should i create a separate partition  for /boot / home /
[13:00] <ikonia> kam270: up to you
[13:00] <ArunC> This feature in the kernel takes out the conventional master slave model in the userspace.
[13:01] <kam270> for safety reasons Ive been told separate partition for /home
[13:02] <ObrienDave> kam270, I run separate / /home
[13:03] <ezra-s> ArunC, if you are right and that should work, you could check if that behaviour is enabled in /boot/config-kernel-version file
[13:04] <kam270> ObrienDave, ikonia  thanks
[13:04] <kam270> brtfs ready yet for home/work laptop ?
[13:20] <T4b> When removing files (with rm) the time it takes depends on the number of files and not on the files' sizes, am I right? And 10 hard links of the same file take the same time to delete as 10 different files?
[13:21] <mbroeker> T4b, it depends on the number of inodes to deallocate :)
[13:21] <gordonjcp> T4b: kind of
[13:21] <gordonjcp> T4b: also if you have some magic tinfoil hat paranoia disk scrubber that overwrites deleted files, that *will* depend on file size
[13:21] <gordonjcp> T4b: but nobody cares about you or your data *that* much, okay?
[13:22] <sitown> Irc newbie here, please be patient :)
[13:23] <sitown> I have some issues with my laptop, somebody that can help?
[13:23] <cfhowlett> !details|sitown,
[13:23] <T4b> Okay, going to look up what exactly inodes are, thanks. I don't have this kind of disk scrubber (and I understand why in this case it would depend on file size).
[13:23] <theadmin> sitown: Just ask your question (preferably in one line, with as much details as possible), if you need to paste long errors/logs, use http://paste.ubuntu.com
[13:24] <sitown> Ok, thanks
[13:27] <amitprakash> Hi, on xubuntu 13.10, I'd install gnome3/gdm
[13:27] <amitprakash> How do I restore back to the default DM with unity?
[13:28] <cfhowlett> amitprakash, unity is NOT the default for xubuntu ...
[13:28] <amitprakash> I uninstalled gnome-session/shell and set lightdm to default, however on login, I don't see unity panel anymore
[13:28] <Guest33039> Hello how's it going? I just installed Ubuntu 13.10 and can't uninstall Amazon no matter where I look can someone help? Why does Amazon  come preinstalled now?
[13:28] <amitprakash> cfhowlett, hmm, I had the unity sidebar on it though
[13:28] <cfhowlett> !nounity|Guest33039, amazon is NOT installed.  the unity lens is
[13:29] <cfhowlett> amitprakash, then you don't have xubuntu as no unity is there
[13:29] <amitprakash> hmm
[13:29] <jrib> Guest33039: what do you mean by "amazon"?
[13:29] <theadmin> amitprakash: Err, Unity currently runs on top of GNOME, so you will still need gnome-session
[13:29] <amitprakash> oh
[13:30] <theadmin> amitprakash: You can select which desktop to log into in LightDM by clicking a round thingy (normally it has the desktop logo on it)
[13:30] <amitprakash> Yeah, selected the xubuntu session instead of xfce
[13:31] <glambert> bgardner, ping
[13:31] <Guest33039> ubottu, ok so if I install "ubuntu-gnome-desktop the unity lens will go away?
[13:32] <glambert> Guest33039, well, yes, but.. so will your gnome desktop :P
[13:32] <Guest33039> jrib, When I installed 13.10 amazon was installed and when I tried to search for things internet search results were showing
[13:33] <cfhowlett> !nounity|Guest33039, amazon IS NOT installed.  if you don't want to see amazon results, disable the amazon lens or use a different desktop environment.
[13:33] <theadmin> Guest33039: You can disable this. Go to System Settings -> Privacy and uncheck the internet search box thing
[13:34] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> Hi all! Is here any russian-speakers?
[13:34] <Guest33039> theadmin, Thank you, that is done now. Now I just need to somehow scrap amazon it is still showing in the ubuntu menu and the software manager/synaptic don't have it listed
[13:34] <gordonjcp> !ru | npocTo4eJIoBeK1
[13:34] <gordonjcp> npocTo4eJIoBeK1: a whole channel of them
[13:34] <Guest33039> If I want amazon ill go to amazon.com lol... I dont want it on here
[13:34] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> ubuntu-ru don't work right now
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[13:34] <theadmin> Guest33039: You can remove unity-shopping-lens or whatyoucallit
[13:34] <gordonjcp> I find the amazon plugin quite handy
[13:35] <gordonjcp> I wish it did Dominos Pizza shopping lens
[13:35] <theadmin> Guest33039: I am on 12.04 so I can't quite remember
[13:35] <theadmin> gordonjcp: Heh. That could actually be useful.
[13:35] <sitown> Issue: I have a some differrent problems bugs with my Samsung NP540U3C Laptop. I think i need some other drivers, as it drains the battery to fast and gets hotter than with Windows. I would also like to get a hibernation option when putting down my screen and in power options. When closing the lid, the laptop does not go completely into sleep, even though the options do say so. I have tried to use the terminal command for hibernate and this wor
[13:35] <sitown> Specs http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/pc-peripherals/notebook-computers/ultra-portable/NP540U3C-A01UK-spec, it is the newest version og Ubuntu 13.10
[13:35] <Guest33039> theadmin, that's what I upgraded from if I remember correctly amazon was on 12.04 as well but was much easier to make dissapear
[13:36] <Guest33039> theadmin, I will try to find the shopping lens
[13:37] <sitown> Sorry about two posts, but i thought i could press enter to get the next line.
[13:38] <theadmin> sitown: As for hibernation, see this: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/ubuntu-help/power-hibernate.html
[13:38] <Guest33039> theadmin, ok so I did sudo apt-get remove unity-lens-shopping then it said "Note, selecting 'unity-scope-home' instead of 'unity-lens-shopping'
[13:38] <Guest33039> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded." I went back to the ubuntu menu typed in amazon and it is still showing as an installed application.
[13:39] <the-moose-machin> hi everyone. i am trying to install cinnamon in my ubuntu 12.04 lts. however on logging into it it says 'Failed to load session "cinnamon"'. Can anyone help? Thanks.
[13:39] <gordonjcp> theadmin: you know it
[13:39] <cfhowlett> !cinnamon
[13:39] <theadmin> Guest33039: Eh huh. Just open the Software Centre and search for it, that will be easier
[13:39] <gordonjcp> theadmin: we need to find fast food delivery places with a good web API for ordering
[13:39] <TJ-> sitown: Can you pastebin the results of: "cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT*/uevent"
[13:40] <theadmin> Guest33039: The 12.04 LTS doesn't have online search results at all so fa
[13:40] <theadmin> That's why I am waiting for 14.04, 13.10 is kinda... underpolished
[13:41] <sitown> TJ-: This? POWER_SUPPLY_NAME=BAT1
[13:41] <sitown> POWER_SUPPLY_STATUS=Charging
[13:41] <sitown> POWER_SUPPLY_PRESENT=1
[13:41] <sitown> POWER_SUPPLY_TECHNOLOGY=Li-ion
[13:41] <sitown> POWER_SUPPLY_CYCLE_COUNT=237
[13:41] <FloodBot1> sitown: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:41] <TJ-> !pastebin | sitown
[13:41] <Guest33039> theadmin, Yeah I really wish I waited so far this is pretty awful, I mean I like it but I don't like preinstalled things like amazon
[13:42] <theadmin> Guest33039: Eh. You might enjoy another desktop, like Xubuntu or Kubuntu or something, though
[13:42] <gordonjcp> Guest33039: then remove it, and pay Canonical some money for the download ;-)
[13:42] <Guest33039> I got the online search result thing turned off, nothing worse than trying to type terminal and have Terminator the movie pop up to buy.
[13:43] <sitown> Ok, sorry
[13:43] <cfhowlett> First world problem ...
[13:43] <Guest33039> gordonjcp, I think ill go back to 12.04 instead
[13:43] <theadmin> Guest33039: I think you can right-click a scope and disable it, no?
[13:43] <theadmin> Guest33039: If all else fails, do: gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Lenses disabled-scopes "['more_suggestions-amazon.scope', 'more_suggestions-u1ms.scope', 'more_suggestions-populartracks.scope', 'music-musicstore.scope', 'more_suggestions-ebay.scope', 'more_suggestions-ubuntushop.scope', 'more_suggestions-skimlinks.scope']"
[13:43] <Guest33039> theadmin, when i right click it only gives the option to launch
[13:45] <sitown> Output of power supply. http://paste.ubuntu.com/6645441/
[13:53] <sitown> theadmin: going to reboot and checking your solution for hibernating. Thank you
[13:54] <TJ-> sitown: Thanks, that rules out kernel bug #60519. I'm looking for other causes.
[13:55] <Guest67731> Anyone know how to remove ubuntu one?
[13:55] <cfhowlett> Guest67731, remove?  just don't configure or use it ...
[13:55] <Guest67731> theadmin, no matter what I do amazon still stays, same with ubuntu one. I restarted the computer and they are both still there
[13:56] <theadmin> Guest67731: Ubuntu One isn't even preinstalled
[13:56] <TJ-> Guest67731: "apt-get remove ubuntuone-client" should cause it and related packages to be removed
[13:56] <sitown> TJ-: Ok, thank you:)
[13:56] <theadmin> Guest67731: There's an installer for it in the menus somewhere, which you can remove by removing ubuntuone-installer
[13:56] <MonkeyDust> Guest67731  https://one.ubuntu.com/help/faq/how-do-i-completely-remove-and-reinstall-ubuntu-one/
[13:57] <theadmin> Guest67731: As for the webapps (Amazon etc, which is what seems you find), you can remove them as well, I think they start wtih unity-webapp
[14:02] <Toneloc> hmm, Linux live CD's seem to be becoming a thing of the past
[14:02] <Toneloc> it's Live Dvd's now
[14:02] <Toneloc> I had to go for the older version of Ubuntu
[14:02] <Toneloc> to get it to fit on a CD
[14:02] <ObrienDave> !mini
[14:03] <opticals> Just get a usb stick much easier than messing with dvd's etc
[14:03] <theadmin> Toneloc: Yeah, Ubuntu doesn't do CDs anymore, 12.04 is the last actual CD version. You can also use a USB to install/run live
[14:03] <BluesKaj> opticals, not all pcs will boot from usb
[14:04] <Toneloc> theadmin- yeah, I'm downloading 12.04.3 it's 708MB
[14:04] <opticals> no your right but there are bootcd's which enable you to
[14:04] <Toneloc> I don't think it will fit
[14:04] <Toneloc> Cd's are 700Mb , correct?
[14:04] <theadmin> 700-something actually
[14:04] <theadmin> It should fit
[14:05] <BluesKaj> opticals, then what/
[14:05] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> I guesI'll try to explain what I want to do:
[14:05] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> I have a local network with a full-desktop with xubuntu on board, router and old PCbox (video-system was broke down  without any chance to connect any display or something like that) exept video everything works, I want to make from this veteran a file server, with rtorrent and remote control with webgui
[14:05] <Toneloc> just found the cd box- says 700MB - damn it !
[14:05] <sitown> theadmin: I tried the hibernate solution. Copying the text in the howto with: sudo nano /etc/polkit-1/localauthority/50-local.d/com.ubuntu.enable-hibernate.pkla. Restarted my computer, no hibernating option in power settings. I also reopend the file and checked if text was there, and it was.
[14:05] <opticals> BluesKaj, you boot your CD which will allow you to boot from usb
[14:05] <opticals> it's not difficult
[14:06] <TJ-> sitown: bug #1210361 affects that model but resolution there appears to have been a faulty motherboard replacement. If it isn't entering sleep (Suspend to RAM) when the lid is closed that can often be caused by an externally connected device failing to suspend correctly, which causes the Linux kernel to cancel the suspend and resume everything. Clues may be found in "var/log/pm-suspend.log". Determining which device isn't suspending requires disconnecting devices
[14:06] <TJ-> one at a time and re-testing.
[14:06] <theadmin> Toneloc: Your CD burning software should tell you if it will fit. That's the only thing I'd really trust :D
[14:07] <sitown> theadmin: Dont know if it was copied in the right location though.  But it should when doing the write out, right?
[14:07] <theadmin> sitown: It doesn't copy it anywhere, it just opens the file directly. I don't think nano even does backups
[14:07] <Toneloc> theadmin- Heck, if I was making a DSL copy- I would be done now!
[14:07] <Toneloc> 6 times more to go to complete the download alone!
[14:08] <theadmin> Toneloc: True... But hey, CDs themselves are becoming a thing of the past...
[14:08] <Toneloc> yeah, it's just all pendrives I have
[14:08] <Toneloc> have given up
[14:08] <Toneloc> or can't be used for other things
[14:08] <BluesKaj> yes , opticals , but why , if you have cds then like ObrienDave suggested , the minimal is probly less problematic
[14:08] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> I imagine what I need to do except some moments:
[14:08] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> 1)when I start the server, it should not ask for login...
[14:08] <npocTo4eJIoBeK1> 2) choose which one of webgui is better for file server
[14:08] <ObrienDave> Toneloc, CD-R/RWs are available with capacities of 80 minutes of audio or 737,280,000 bytes (700 MB)
[14:09] <Toneloc> I got badly bitten with USB sticks last time
[14:09] <Celphish> elo, got a problem with fstab and ubuntu
[14:09] <Toneloc> and stopped using them
[14:09] <opticals> BluesKaj, I'm not sure having to only burn one cd to enable you to boot from a usb and then re-use that is better practice
[14:09]  * ObrienDave uses DVD-RW
[14:09] <Celphish> I've got a line of "code" in fstab that works like a charm in debian, but when I use it in Ubuntu and then try to access the folder I mount the cifs-share to, it says "permission denied"
[14:10] <g3ky> Anyone here with a hybrid ATI/Intel Graphic Card?
[14:10] <opticals> BluesKaj, theres already enough media in landfill without adding more for every version of an operating system that comes out
[14:11] <BluesKaj> opticals, this new laptop wouldn't boot from usb with unetbootin , when I tried to install kubuntu
[14:12] <opticals> BluesKaj, thats why I'm suggesting you look at burning something to *one* cd that will allow you to continue to install from usb. It's not difficult
[14:12] <BluesKaj> I usually do a netupgtrade from an existing OS
[14:13] <PURPLERAIN> Hey, recently X uses 90% cpu? making my laptop unusable. any solutions?
[14:13] <opticals> BluesKaj, but that doesnt work if you wanted to install a different version of linux or whatever other operating system you want to use
[14:13] <BluesKaj> opticals, and I use cdrws and dvdrws
[14:13] <TJ-> Toneloc: You could burn a netboot ISO image, and then install the full desktop suite using "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" (See http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/precise/)
[14:14] <opticals> dipedup0, nice do you kiss your mother with that mouth
[14:15] <dipedup0> BluesKaj: use an old version of unetboot. The new versions have that non bios booting defaulted to
[14:15] <BluesKaj> I don't use many other distros ...tried a lot , but kubuntu is my standard and fav OS
[14:15] <opticals> You may not
[14:15] <dipedup0> opticals: you foul dirty mouth
[14:15] <TJ-> PURPLERAIN: Is that from a fresh clean boot? If so, have you tried analysing the running processes with (at a shell terminal) "top" ?
[14:15] <opticals> dipedup0, grow up will you
[14:16] <ObrienDave> !ops | dipedup0
[14:16] <opticals> dipedup0, will you knock it off
[14:16] <mamed> hay guyz. where can i find apt-offline for windows
[14:16] <theadmin> Remove dipedup0, I got a random offensive message from it as well
[14:17] <Myrtti> hm
[14:17] <LjL> uh
[14:17] <opticals> thank you
[14:17] <foofoobar> Hi. I have a laptop which is connected to an external display, keyboard and mouse. The lid is closed, how do I set him to "sleep" now so I can wake him up later by pressing a key?
[14:17] <LjL> are we sure the right person was targeted?
[14:17] <ObrienDave> thanks
[14:17] <theadmin> LjL: Was PM here
[14:17] <LjL> ah
[14:17] <opticals> yes LjL
[14:17] <foofoobar> I tried "sudo pm-sleep" and "sudo pm-hibernate", but both times I cant wake him up with the keyboard
[14:17] <ObrienDave> yes: dipedup0> DVD rw you godamn faggot
[14:17] <PURPLERAIN> TJ-: It is random, sometimes from clean boot sometimes after waking up from suspend. yes i get the figure from top.
[14:17] <LjL> maybe best to explain what's going on in the !ops call, when it's PM
[14:17] <BluesKaj> opticals, you were just as offensive
[14:17] <TJ-> foofoobar: Is the external keyboard USB?
[14:18] <foofoobar> TJ-, yes
[14:18] <foofoobar> Its attached via USB.
[14:18] <foofoobar> When I connect everything and then close the lid, the laptop goes to sleep. Pressing a key then wakes him up
[14:18] <foofoobar> but when he is woken up then and I want to send him to sleep again, how can I do this?
[14:18] <opticals> BluesKaj, stay out of it unless it's you
[14:18] <foofoobar> I dont want to open/close the lid again
[14:19] <TJ-> PURPLERAIN: That would suggest there might be something related to a profile. I'd suggest creating a new emtpy profile and logging in to that, and testing. If the load goes away you now know it's user-profile related; if not, it's a system-wide issue.
[14:20] <TJ-> foofoobar: On some laptops not all USB ports get the 5V standby power supply; You may need to test the USB ports to discover which (if any) do. It could also be a firmware/BIOS configuration that enables/disables it
[14:20] <BluesKaj> opticals, yeah right, read the COC please.
[14:20] <jhutchins> TJ-: Strange thing is it seems to work correctly when the hinge switch haibernates it.
[14:20] <sitown> TJ-: Thank you. I tried to use the command in terminal: sudo var/log/pm-suspend.log also with nano. But it does not show anything. The weird thing is that using the hibernate command in the terminal makes the laptop go instantly into hibernation and quickly up again when pushing the power button. So this means there is not any devices stopping the sleep mode. Anyway, if i get help re-enable the hibernating option i Power options, then this woul
[14:21] <opticals> BluesKaj, look stay out if it
[14:21] <PURPLERAIN> TJ-: if this is system-wide issue, what do you suggest me to do?
[14:21] <TJ-> sitown: I didn't recommend you edit the log-file! I was giving you its location. To read it at terminal use, for example, "less /var/log/pm-suspend.log"
[14:22] <opticals> BluesKaj, you werent just attacked racially so please. shut. up.
[14:22] <BluesKaj> opticals,look where , I saw your offensive post and made a comment '
[14:22] <LjL> oh god what's going on now
[14:22] <sitown> theadmin: If the file was not there before, i create it with nano, right? So if the solution does not work i should delete it, right?
[14:22] <opticals> BluesKaj, look this isnt the place for this if you want to talk to me via pm about it I will do but please shut up about it now
[14:22] <TJ-> PURPLERAIN: That sounds like a driver issue with-in the X libraries or the compositor. Harder to track down.
[14:22] <BluesKaj> !COC |  opticals
[14:22] <theadmin> Woah, calm down people, please get back on topic. The offensive person was already removed, no need to replace him
[14:23] <BluesKaj> theadmin, not quite
[14:23] <TJ-> jhutchins: Were you referring to foofoobar's issue? I'm getting lost :)
[14:23] <LjL> BluesKaj, opticals: take it to PM if you have to bicker
[14:23] <jhutchins> TJ-: Yes.
[14:25] <Guest40106> .
[14:25] <rijack> on empathy when I click on a contact all the options except chat are grayed out. I've checked and all my codecs are installed. I looked on the internet for other dependencies but didn’t see any. What else can I try?
[14:26] <grammoboy> how do I get to sound settings via command line?
[14:26] <TJ-> foofoobar: jhutchins: I misunderstood the problem. Which version of Ubuntu is it?
[14:26] <grammoboy> is there a pulseaudio gui?
[14:26] <LjL> grammoboy: like, the mixer? you can try "alsamixer" but that's not PulseAudio-based. there's probably something PulseAudio too, but i don't know (pamixer maybe?)
[14:27] <ObrienDave> pavucontrol
[14:27] <theadmin> grammoboy: pavucontrol is good
[14:27] <LjL> ah right
[14:28] <LjL> well that's not very command line though, is it?
[14:28] <xangua> rijack what protocol¿
[14:28] <theadmin> grammoboy: If you need a CLI mixer, just use alsamixer. It's not pulse, but it sets the volume just fine
[14:28] <InstallGentoo_> grammoboy: pacmd
[14:29] <rijack> xangua I'm pretty sure all of them but I'm concerned with Gtalk
[14:32] <xangua> rijack: I have the same issue with pidgin, gtalk is now hangouts and is gettins away from xmpp
[14:32] <BluesKaj> too bad he left , pulse is needed for webaudio on most installs
[14:32] <sitown> TJ-: Sorry about that, i have a lot to learn about the linux world, and other things also ;) This is to much for me to interperet, but maybe it says something to you:
[14:32] <sitown> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6645659/
[14:33] <TJ-> foofoobar: Try using the dbus method as a regular user: "dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest="org.freedesktop.UPower" /org/freedesktop/UPower org.freedesktop.UPower.Suspend"
[14:34] <sitown> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6645659/
[14:34] <TJ-> sitown: Looking... OK, you've only pasted the first screen-full. To pastebin the entire file use "pastebinit /var/log/pm-suspend.log". If you get "command not found" then install it using "sudo apt-get install pastebinit" and then try again. Makes it easy to pastebin *text* files
[14:35] <theadmin> sitown: Note: a Word document is *not* a text file. Common misconception.
[14:35] <rijack> ok so does that affect sendfile as well? Also i have the same prob with my facebook friends but I think thats something face book specific
[14:36] <liam__> is there a way to migrate settings from xchat into smuxi
[14:36] <theadmin> liam__: Unlikely
[14:36] <theadmin> xchat -> hexchat could work but an entirely different client wouldn't
[14:37] <liam__> OK
[14:37] <jhutchins> Dec 27 00:00:03 b06r6s-sts01 sudo: transfer : TTY=unknown ; PWD=/datatrans/transfer ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/sbin/sysctl -w net.ipv4.tcp_window_scaling=0
[14:37] <jhutchins> Dec 27 00:00:05 b06r6s-sts01 sudo: transfer : TTY=unknown ; PWD=/datatrans/transfer ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/sbin/sysctl -w net.ipv4.tcp_window_scaling=1
[14:37] <jhutchins> Dec 27 01:00:03 b06r6s-sts01 sudo: transfer : TTY=unknown ; PWD=/datatrans/transfer ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/sbin/sysctl -w net.ipv4.tcp_window_scaling=0
[14:37] <jhutchins> Dec 27 01:00:06 b06r6s-sts01 sudo: transfer : TTY=unknown ; PWD=/datatrans/transfer ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/sbin/sysctl -w net.ipv4.tcp_window_scaling=1
[14:38] <jhutchins> Dec 27 02:00:15 b06r6s-sts01 sudo: transfer : TTY=unknown ; PWD=/datatrans/transfer ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/sbin/sysctl -w net.ipv4.tcp_window_scaling=0
[14:38] <FloodBot1> jhutchins: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[14:38] <jhutchins> Dec 27 02:00:17 b06r6s-sts01 sudo: transfer : TTY=unknown ; PWD=/datatrans/transfer ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/sbin/sysctl -w net.ipv4.tcp_window_scaling=1
[14:38] <theadmin> woah
[14:38] <theadmin> jhutchins: Please use pastebins
[14:38] <LjL> jhutchins: uh like
[14:38] <sitown> TJ-: Great, thank you. :http://paste.ubuntu.com/6645697/
[14:38] <LjL> jhutchins: are you seriously still pasting? ;(
[14:39] <LjL> jhutchins: maybe better off parting/quitting and rejoining, than waiting for it to end
[14:39] <jhutchins> Sorry, had that in the buffer and hit the wrong button.
[14:39] <LjL> jhutchins: happens
[14:40] <jhutchins> I'm just glad I didn't have a password database in the buffer!
[14:40] <ObrienDave> lol
[14:40] <LjL> jhutchins: heh i was thinking just the same just now
[14:40] <jhutchins> We are having trouble with a file transfer.  Last time we fixed it by having the script turn window_scaling off, so we wanted to see if that was still working.
[14:41] <jhutchins> Clearly it is being toggled correctly, so the problem is something else.
[14:41] <osbin> with wine version is most stabille?
[14:42] <osbin> open gl didnt works how to check?
[14:42] <ObrienDave> probably the one in the repos. tends to work that way
[14:42] <TJ-> sitown: OK, lets focus on this suspend issue. I'm going to give you a command to type at a terminal. If successful, it'll suspend to RAM. I'll know it worked because you'll disappear from IRC. I'll wait for you to re-connect after resuming in that case.
[14:42] <MonkeyDust> !wine | osbin
[14:43] <theadmin> osbin: 1.6.1, which the website tells you. However, note that wine isn't "stable" by definition. It will never work as well as Windows does (unless Windows stops being developed)
[14:43] <TJ-> sitown: You can copy-paste this command to a terminal shell: dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest="org.freedesktop.UPower" /org/freedesktop/UPower org.freedesktop.UPower.Suspend
 thanx for info :)
[14:44] <theadmin> TJ-: Didn't he have an issue with adding hibernation to the power menu, and not suspension?
[14:44] <TJ-> theadmin: "...When closing the lid, the laptop does not go completely into sleep, even though the options do say so..." ... almost the same as foofoobar's issue, but not quite, as pm-supend.log shows nothing amiss.
[14:45] <osbin> one more question how to check or video driver installed?
[14:45] <theadmin> TJ-: Oh, whoops, must have missed stuff
[14:45] <theadmin> TJ-: Sorry
[14:45] <sitown1> TJ-: So that was interresting?
[14:45] <theadmin> osbin: That question doesn't even, if you have a video display working a video driver *is* installed
[14:46] <TJ-> theadmin: You're correct though, the wording suggests the options are missing. I'm trying to prove it works first - which should imply the GUI tools would detect availability and appear to the user.
[14:46] <TJ-> sitown: Tell us?
[14:46] <sitown1> TJ-: it worked perfectly.
[14:47] <TJ-> sitown: Good to know something is working :)
[14:47] <theadmin> sitown: Maybe the lid closing isn't detected?
[14:47] <theadmin> (that'd be... quite strange though, but I actually had that happen)
[14:47] <TJ-> sitown: OK, so now we can focus on higher issues. Did you say that the suspend option does *not* appear in the power menu?
[14:48] <bhavesh> I have Ubuntu GNOME 13.10, but now I want back unity, I installed it with sudo apt-get install unity, now when I try to open unity tweak tool, it says "schema com.canonical.desktop.interface not found"
[14:48] <TJ-> theadmin: sitown: Actually not so strange, if the lid open/close event isn't being passed for some reason.
[14:48] <bhavesh> what should I install to meet the dependency?
[14:48] <Flats> My NM-applet seems to have disappeared.  I still have network but no applet.  Can anyone help me try to get it back please?  thanks
[14:48] <TJ-> theadmin: Looks like sitown is testing it again :)
[14:49] <theadmin> Flats: Terminal -> nm-applet &disown
[14:50] <Flats> holy crap, that was easy.  Many thanks theadmin
[14:51] <theadmin> Flats: No problem
[14:51] <Flats> well 1 more problem, once I close the terminal it goes away
[14:51] <bhavesh> Unity tweak tool says schema not found com.canonical.desktop.interface when I try to open it in Ubuntu GNOME 13.10, what dependency should I install to fix it?
[14:52] <theadmin> Flats: Er. You did type &disown, right? With one ampersand, not two
[14:52] <ObrienDave> !patience | bhavesh
[14:52] <Flats> nm-applet $disown
[14:52] <Flats>  
[14:52] <TJ-> bhavesh: I *think* "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" should ensure everything required is installed
[14:52] <theadmin> Flats: That's a dollar
[14:52] <theadmin> Flats: Needs an ampersand, &
[14:53] <bhavesh> TJ-: okay, ty
[14:53] <theadmin> Flats: Just paste this in: nm-applet &disown
[14:53] <Flats> minor details.   hehe thanks again.  now I just need to learn my characters
[14:53] <theadmin> bhavesh: Is this tweak tool a third-party product? It sounds to me that the Unity settings format changed and it can't understand the new one
[14:53] <hipitihop_> is there a way to configure x output to hdmi using remote ssh terminal
[14:54] <bhavesh> theadmin: yes, I installed unity tweak tool from the ubuntu software center
[14:54] <theadmin> Ah. Hm.
[14:54] <theadmin> I'm not too sure though, I haven't used it, but that's what the issue sounds like
[14:55] <giovanni123> qualcuno parla italiano?
[14:56] <theadmin> !it | giovanni123
[14:56] <giovanni123> grazie
[15:04] <MarkDavies> What is the central point of PAM?
[15:05] <MarkDavies> To authenticate a user often?
[15:06] <Guest83034> hi duuudes
[15:06] <MarCeLinHow> :D
[15:15] <sitown1> TJ: theadmin: The suspend option is available through power options. Hibernation not. The close lid worked when i had W8 innstalled. I took a timeout playing Tetris, sorry about that ;) I will test if the suspend by time does work, but i am pretty sure it does not.
[15:15] <jhutchins> MarkDavies: Pluggable Authentication Modules.  Multiple configurations possible using different criteria and resources.
[15:15] <ceed^> Ubuntu's kernel repo is down? I can not get to: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[15:16] <TJ-> sitown1: OK... Hibernation was removed as an option some time ago due to problems with it and hasn't yet been re-introduced.
[15:16] <MarkDavies> jhutchins: yes, but can you give me one practical example where PAM turns out to be advantegous?
[15:17] <MarkDavies> *advantageous
[15:17] <hipitihop_> is there a way to force hdmi video out. I'm trying to re-establish a previously working box which had hdmi cable disconnected/reconnected while running, then after restart it no longer outputs to hdmi
[15:17] <TJ-> sitown1: See bug #812394
[15:17] <OerHeks> ceed^, not sure if it is down, but https://launchpad.net/~kernel-ppa/+archive/ppa is empty
[15:18] <TJ-> hipitihop: Is it a GUI or terminal-based system? For a GUI, open a terminal session and try "xrandr -q" to determine available outputs. "xrandr" with other options can be used to control outputs
[15:18] <ceed^> OerHeks, I've been to that URL many times. last time last night, but now It won't connect.
[15:19] <OerHeks> ceed^, here too, but what is the use of it, as it is empty?
[15:19] <sitown1> TJ-: I actually knew that, not bad.. ;) I tried the solution that :theadmin suggested, but it did not bring hibernation option back. It works by using a similar command in the terminal too.
[15:19] <ceed^> OerHeks: It was not empty last night! :)
[15:19] <TJ-> ceed^: Yes, the host is down
[15:20] <ceed^> T3, ah ok. So it's the server then. Thanks.
[15:20] <TJ-> sitown1: Hmmm, remind which version of Ubuntu you're using
[15:20] <hipitihop_> TJ-, it's actually a mythbuntu/mythtv so it is gui, uses xfce, but now, not even boot/bios shows during startup... but box runs fine and I can ssh in, but have no other screen easily acessible to box
[15:20] <gvo> hipitihop_: I have a monitor that switches from hdmi to vga when the hdmi cable is disconnected and has to be manually (menu on monitor) reconnected to the hdmi port.
[15:22] <sitown1> TJ-: The newest 13.10, updated
[15:22] <TJ-> sitown1: OK, because the user interface has changed in many places which may affect availability of the option
[15:22] <hipitihop_> gvo, this is hdmi -> lg tv, although also running through new onkyo av receiver
[15:23] <gvo> OK just a suggestions.
[15:23] <gvo> suggestion.
[15:23] <TJ-> hipitihop: First test the HDMI output direct... Is the HDMI output from a discrete video adapter or port on the motherboard (Wondering about graphics card being unseated physically) ?
[15:24] <InstallGentoo_> http://kernel.ubuntu.com down?
[15:24] <TJ-> sitown1: Is the swap partition large enough to contain a hibernate image?
[15:25] <OerHeks> InstallGentoo_, looks like it is, join the club
[15:25] <MonkeyDust> InstallGentoo_  yes, seems so, i guess we'll soon read why
[15:26] <XATRIX> Guys, can i install jre-32bit on ubuntu x86-64 ?
[15:26] <ikonia> XATRIX: you can but why would you ?
[15:26] <hipitihop_> TJ-, I can only interect from an ssh session with -X and running "xrander -q" seems to be giving me the local system, not the box I am sshed to
[15:26] <InstallGentoo_> MonkeyDust: argh, I need some Ubuntu ureadahead patches for my Gentoo
[15:26] <InstallGentoo_> MonkeyDust: is there a mirror?
[15:27] <bhavesh> doing sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop solved the schema com.canonical.desktop not found error
[15:27] <bhavesh> thanks to the person who advised me to do so.
[15:27] <sitown1> TJ-: it is 4GB, 6GB ram. I would believe so. It works great with using the command in terminal to hibernate, just as suspend in terminal.
[15:27] <XATRIX> ikonia: my iKVM software, doesn't want to work with 64bit java ?
[15:27] <XATRIX> ikonia: my iKVM software, doesn't want to work with 64bit java !
[15:28] <ikonia> XATRIX: that seems unlikley
[15:28] <TJ-> hipitihop: If you're forwarding the X session that would make sense :) You'd need use the 'xrandr' option "-display" to specify which X server to talk to
[15:28] <XATRIX> ikonia: no no... i've already tested it.
[15:28] <XATRIX> I'm surr 100%
[15:29] <ikonia> XATRIX: then it's exceptionally poor software, install your 32bit JRE and move on
[15:29] <XATRIX> If i run it on my jre-64 "This future is unsupported on this platform"
[15:29] <XATRIX> and 32 bit version, goes ahead
[15:29] <TJ-> sitown1: That is a good sign... usually it is best to ensure the swap partition/file is larger than installed RAM since if the RAM is fully committed hibernation will fail.
[15:29] <MonkeyDust> InstallGentoo_  better ask in #ubuntu-kernel, i guess
[15:29] <XATRIX> ikonia: How can i do it on my Ubuntu 64bit ?
[15:29] <jhutchins> !multiarch
[15:29] <TJ-> sitown1: So it sounds like a user interface issue with Unity interactions.
[15:30] <ikonia> XATRIX: peraonally I'd just grab the binary - put it somewhere safe/seperate such as /opt and run it
[15:30] <XATRIX> ia32-libs ?
[15:30] <ikonia> XATRIX: no
[15:30] <MrJerome> Occasionally on 13.10 when I move my mouse to resume from a locked session, one screen (I'm running 3) will show the password box like normal, but then one of the other screens will show it's contents (whatever console or application I have open). Is this a bug?
[15:30] <jhutchins> I remember ubottu being one of the more useful bots on IRC, but it seems to be missing a bunch of essential items these days.
[15:30] <septix> hi guys, is it nessecary to run badblocks for checking hdd when dcfldd overwrite without issues?
[15:30] <ikonia> XATRIX: I'd grab the 32bit binary - not package and put it somewhere safe such as /opt as multi-arch is not a good implementation in my view
[15:31] <ikonia> jhutchins: what's it missing ?
[15:31] <glambert> does anyone know of an IRC chat regarding load balancing?
[15:31] <ikonia> glambert: ##networking ?
[15:31] <jhutchins> ikonia: A multiarch link in this case.
[15:31] <TJ-> MrJerome: I see that too! Thought it was a KDE-specific issue
[15:31] <glambert> I'll try, thanks
[15:31] <ikonia> !multiarch
[15:31] <sitown1> TJ-: Ok, if the graphics driver is not working that good, will this affect the link between Unity and the command?
[15:32] <ikonia> jhutchins: feel free to write a factoid
[15:32] <ikonia> jhutchins: happy to put it into the bot
[15:32] <TJ-> sitown1: No... a missing option is a pure user interface issue where it either doesn't have the option, or doesn't detect the set of conditions necessary for it to show the option
[15:33] <jhutchins> ikonia: Problem is I know the details for Debian, not Ubuntu, and I don't know if they're the same.
[15:33] <ikonia> jhutchins: a fair point, I'll see if we can get one put in
[15:33] <hipitihop> TJ-, I thought as much re forwarded -X but fluffing with -display I am not familiar with, can you point me a doco, sorry to be a rookie in this area
[15:33] <jhutchins> ikonia: Thanks.
[15:33] <MrJerome> TJ: what is your video card?
[15:36] <TJ-> hipitihop: "man xrandr"
[15:36] <TJ-> MrJerome: Nvidia GPUs
[15:36] <sitown1> TJ-: Ok, so this means it is nothing more to do than wait for this to be resolved in the next version then? Is it needed to write a bug?
[15:37] <MrJerome> TJ: I'm seeing it on ATI
[15:37] <Dougie187> Anyone have any idea why a microphone in line would have static/noise on it? and/or how to clean it up?
[15:38] <TJ-> sitown1: I suspect #812394 is meant to cover it. Are you using encryption of any kind on the disk?
[15:38] <MrJerome> TJ: Do you think it's worth submitting a bug?
[15:38] <TJ-> MrJerome: I do... I was going to before the holidays but couldn't decide which package to post it against. I had thought it was a KDE issue, but obviously not.
[15:40] <enen92> anyone having troubles with latest skype installation? I'm able to install the program and it gets into unity. However I can't list it under software center whch means everytime I reboot my laptop I get no skype at all
[15:40] <MrJerome> TJ: I haven't done a bug report before. Would you mind doing it if you already have an account?
[15:40] <TJ-> MrJerome: I doubt there are many of us using such 'complicated' configurations, and from my experience the GUI developers rarely work with multi-heads themselves!
[15:40] <hipitihop> TJ-, sure, but how do I know what name to use in the -display arg
[15:40] <splitpc> hi
[15:40] <MrJerome> lol
[15:40] <TJ-> MrJerome: I will once I can identify the package where the bug exists. I'm guessing its screensaver related.
[15:41] <jhutchins> TJ-: Every developer I know uses at least two screens if not more.
[15:41] <MonkeyDust> enen92  you don't need it anymore in software center, after it's installed... or what do you mean...
[15:41] <splitpc> Why most linux distributions boots without powering on the screen?
[15:41] <sitown1> TJ-: This bug is only one of more bugs. As i remember now: The battery indicator is slow to change status, the touchpad is sensetive and the palm detection while writing is not working. The laptop seems to get warmer and less battery time than with W8. Problems with some router connections and if i do get to far away, even though signal strenght is ok. Will be back in 10mins.
[15:41] <jhutchins> TJ-: One screen shows the code in the debugger, another shows the result.
[15:41] <jhutchins> splitpc: Not true.
[15:42] <splitpc> I only noticed a startup sound
[15:42] <enen92> I''ll reboot and see if it's installed right this time
[15:42] <enen92> it was about the 10th time I installed this piece of crap
[15:42] <sitown1> TJ-:No encryption.
[15:42] <TJ-> jhutchins: I had interactions with several free desktop devs over the past years over various multi-head bugs I worked on, and was surprised/shocked at how many never tested their patches against a multi-head configuration.
[15:42] <splitpc> No command prompt, no X.
[15:42] <MrJerome> TJ: Ok cool, I'd really like to see it fixed. I'm running 2 30"s with a vertical 24" in the middle
[15:42] <splitpc> very strange uh
[15:43] <TJ-> sitown1: I'm not sure then; You need a developer/user familiar with the recent power management user interface code
[15:43] <jhutchins> TJ-: Oh, well, now TESTING, that's for users.  Developers are above all that.
[15:43] <cigrits> hey im having a problem installing ubuntu 12.04 net install from unetbootin. after selecting the repo archive it just stalls, sits a blank purple install screen. if i cat /var/log/syslog the last few lines are : "line is :Dec 27 10:35:36 net-retriever: gpgv:" <NEXT LINE> "net-retriever: good signature from "ubuntu arachive automatic signing key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>"   <NEXT LINE>  "Dec 27 10:35:36 net-retriever:"
[15:43] <TJ-> MrJerome: I'm running 6 over 2 GPUs
[15:43] <MrJerome> TJ: Nice
[15:43] <splitpc> The laptop uses a Intel hd 4600 and hashwell i5
[15:43] <jhutchins> cigrits: What's the longest time you've given it?
[15:44] <cigrits> um 10min now
[15:44] <cigrits> ive tried more then one repo
[15:44] <splitpc> but screen is off. I happens on PCLinux, Fedora, Suse.
[15:44] <jhutchins> splitpc: ssh?  Ctrl-Alt-F1?  Boot to rescue/single user?
[15:44] <splitpc> jhutchins: no working
[15:45] <splitpc> screen is off
[15:45] <cigrits> a few weeks ago i had the same issuse on a completely different rig.  had to download the full install iso.
[15:46] <cigrits> also i should mention it was at a different location as well
[15:46] <cigrits> also the other box was i386 this is i386_x64
[15:47] <WhatIsTheMatrix> i think you mean x86_64
[15:47] <splitpc> jhutchins: HDMI output is working
[15:47] <cigrits> whatisthematrix: yes
[15:47] <splitpc> but laptop display is not
[15:47] <WhatIsTheMatrix> rgr
[15:48] <OerHeks> splitpc, most laptops have a FN key to switch laptopscreen/extern screen/ both
[15:49] <jhutchins> splitpc: Bet it works if you power up without the hdmi connected.
[15:49] <Krenair> I'm trying to copy most of my files from / (which is on a 400GB partition) to a new hard drive
[15:49] <Krenair> The new hard drive is 2TB
[15:50] <splitpc> jhutchins: That was i had done. I have plugged in after hearing a "booting"sound
[15:50] <Krenair> Somehow it has already eaten up 800GB
[15:50] <Krenair> How is this possible?
[15:50] <cigrits> oh snap it just worked. i just had to wait 15minutes
[15:50] <splitpc> OerHeks: FN keys are not right configured
[15:50] <home555> руский
[15:51] <WhatIsTheMatrix> cigrits: congrats! i hope
[15:51] <ObrienDave> !ru | home555
[15:51] <jhutchins> Krenair: Are you running from the same system you're doing the copy with?
[15:51] <Krenair> yes
[15:51] <OerHeks> splitpc, FN keys are hardware connected
[15:51] <jhutchins> Krenair: Don't do that.
[15:51] <jhutchins> Krenair: Boot to some other media - live CD, clonezilla, etc.
[15:52] <Jazayri> Any idea about compiling numpy 1.8 for python 2.7 http://pastebin.com/rECgHDG6 thank you all
[15:52] <Krenair> what
[15:52] <Krenair> why
[15:52] <splitpc> No working
[15:52] <splitpc> Also touchpad is not working
[15:52] <OerHeks> Krenair, if you copy /dev/urandom/ too you would need more than 2 Tb
[15:52] <Krenair> ah.
[15:53] <splitpc> touchscreen is bad calibrated
[15:53] <Krenair> this is with "sudo rsync / /media/AlexsNewDrive/UbuntuBackup2013-12-26 --exclude=/media/* -azvv"
[15:53] <splitpc> wifi switcher are not workin also
[15:54] <Krenair> OerHeks, shouldn't the -a deal with device files properly?
[15:54] <husnainlatif> whats this panel with all the icons on the left side called?
[15:54] <jhutchins> Krenair: No need for compression if it's local.
[15:54] <jhutchins> Krenair: No.  There are other problems as well.
[15:55] <kam270> husnainlatif, you can call it a dock ?
[15:55] <husnainlatif> can i move it to the right side?
[15:55] <sitown1> TJ-: So what should i say i have tested/ruled out if i ever get more help?
[15:56] <kam270> yeah i reckon so. I prefer cairo dock though
[15:56] <Krenair> jhutchins, okay.... what other problems?
[15:56] <splitpc> I use a HP Split x2
[15:58] <MrJerome> what should I use to send keys to an open window/program? I'd like to write a little script that opens a program from a terminal, sends a series of keyboard inputs, and then closes the program.
[16:00] <enen92> managed to solve the skype issue by installing it through canonical partners repository and not the .deb version in skype website.Thanks anyway
[16:00] <alecjw> Hi, I'm trying to format a partition in FAT32 but whenver I try it says device or resource busy. The partition isn't mounted
[16:01] <alecjw> Anyone have any suggestions?
[16:01] <arrowspace> anybody know what to make of this error message?  http://tinyurl.com/bladepicirc
[16:01] <jhutchins> Krenair: Is it working the way you expected it to?
[16:01] <Krenair> jhutchins, well I haven't rebooted to do it from a live CD
[16:02] <ObrienDave> alecjw, how bit of a partition? larger than 2.12TB?
[16:02] <ObrienDave> *big
[16:02] <jhutchins> enen92: That is the correct approach.
[16:02] <Krenair> jhutchins, I was kind of waiting to see if it would work if I excluded /dev/
[16:02] <Krenair> jhutchins, and for you to tell me what the other problems were
[16:02] <alecjw> ObrienDave: nope, 2GB.
[16:02] <jhutchins> Krenair: What about /proc /sys and /var?
[16:02] <Krenair> jhutchins, what about /var ?
[16:03] <WhatIsTheMatrix> alecjw: have you tried 'fsck' on it? maybe it has some errors that need fixing
[16:03] <enen92> jhutchins can you explain what is the main difference?
[16:03] <alecjw> WhatIsTheMatrix: There's no filesystem on the partition.
[16:04] <jhutchins> Krenair: What about other things you haven't thought of?  What about lockfiles?  Locked files?  Open files that aren't locked?  Status flags?
[16:04] <WhatIsTheMatrix> alecjw: oh, my bad. i didn't read your first message right
[16:04] <ObrienDave> alecjw, have you tried with gparted?
[16:05] <jhutchins> alecjw: Is your GUI filebrowser perhaps opening it or mounting it via fuse?
[16:06] <Krenair> jhutchins, ... maybe it'd be easier to do this from nautilus or something...
[16:06] <MonkeyDust> alecjw  can you not format it with a live usb or dvd?
[16:07] <ObrienDave> alecjw, ^^^^ agrees
[16:08] <alecjw> ObrienDave: Haven't tried gparted, no. Although mke2fs fails too so I doubt that iwll help
[16:08] <jhutchins> Krenair: More than one person suggested that you boot to some other medium like a live cd, clonezilla, systemrescuecd, etc.
[16:09] <alecjw> jhutchins: It doesn't appear to be mounted. There's no filesystem on the partition to mount anyway
[16:09] <WhatIsTheMatrix> alecjw: what did you use to create the partition?
[16:09] <Krenair> jhutchins, hm? who else?
[16:09] <alecjw> MonkeyDust: I don't know, the reason I'm trying to format it is to make a liveusb :P
[16:09] <jhutchins> alecjw: That, and what is the full command and output?
[16:09] <jhutchins> !paste
[16:09] <alecjw> WhatIsTheMatrix: fdisk. It didn't give me any errors
[16:09] <MonkeyDust> alecjw what system are you in, right now?
[16:10] <jhutchins> alecjw: Generally you don't format for a liveusb, you write an image to it.
[16:10] <WhatIsTheMatrix> alecjw: that could be the issue
[16:10] <jhutchins> alecjw: The image already contains the partition table and formatted filesystem.
[16:10] <WhatIsTheMatrix> alecjw: i'd instead use.... cfdisk
[16:10] <ObrienDave> alecjw, gee, you should have said that earlier. saves a lot of questions ;P
[16:11] <alecjw> jhutchins: Actually that isn't quite true. It's for a debian netinstaller
[16:11] <alecjw> rather than a liveusb
[16:11] <alecjw> MonkeyDust: Ubuntu 12.04.3
[16:11] <jhutchins> alecjw: In that case, you simply cat /debian.iso > /dev/usb0
[16:11] <hipitihop> TJ-, finally got xrandr -q showing the correct -display info, it does show hdmi-0 connected @ 1360x768+0+0 all other available outputs (vga & dvi) disconnected
[16:11] <alecjw> jhutchins: Can you do that? I was going to use unetbootin
[16:12] <jhutchins> alecjw: It will destroy the partion table, formatting, and anything on the drive and replace it with the installer.
[16:12] <ObrienDave> alecjw, unetbootin works
[16:12] <jhutchins> Actually, unetbootin frequently fails with Debian, we're not sure why.
[16:12] <gordonjcp> jhutchins: s/ with Debian// ftfy
[16:12] <gordonjcp> unetbootin needs to die
[16:13] <BluesKaj> jhutchins, it failed with kubuntu here
[16:13] <gordonjcp> and the people who wrote it need to be send somewhere far away from any computers
[16:13] <gordonjcp> and given a good long time to think about what they've done
[16:14] <ObrienDave> i never had a problem with unetbootin until recently. older versions seem to work just fine
[16:14] <gordonjcp> whoever wrote unetbootin, I hope they get two different kinds of fleas and are allergic to all the flea sprays that work on them
[16:14] <jhutchins> It's worked great for me on two different systems, running from Linux both times.  I have't been able to rule out user error as the actual problem, but it's a known thing, whereas using cat or dd with a verified iso file works almost 100% of the time.
[16:14] <BluesKaj> jhutchins, I was advised to use the older versions of unetbootin , they work better with uefi settings
[16:14] <OerHeks> gordonjcp, i feel sorry for the fleas, but that would be offtopic
[16:15] <ObrienDave> ROFL
[16:15] <MonkeyDust> alecjw  ok, and how did you install 12.04.3? use the same medium to format the partition
[16:15] <alecjw> jhutchins: catting the iso image to the USB drive seems to have resulted in something vaguely sane, so I'll try booting from this, thanks!
[16:16] <gordonjcp> OerHeks: :-)
[16:16] <OerHeks> !find flea
[16:16] <alecjw> MonkeyDust: It's almost certainly been wiped by now... and in any case, I don't have it. I'm at my parents' house for the holidays
[16:17] <alecjw> But catting the iso image seems to have done something sane so I'm going to give this a go
[16:19] <alecjw> Thanks WhatIsTheMatrix, jhutchins ,ObrienDave, MonkeyDust for your help
[16:19] <WhatIsTheMatrix> alecjw: sure. good luck
[16:20] <sitown1> Tj-: Ok, thanks for your help, i guess i might have enough information to exclude what i do not need to check.
[16:20] <sitown1> sitown1: I'm not sure then; You need a developer/user familiar with the recent power management user interface code
[16:30] <fjwbofbvw> hi
[16:30] <ObrienDave> greetings
[16:31] <fjwbofbvw> if i have 2 linux installed can i delete grub in one of them ?
[16:31] <BluesKaj> fjwbofbvw, are you sure they both have grub installed?
[16:32] <fjwbofbvw> yes i see it in synaptic
[16:32] <fjwbofbvw> and after each kernel update its messed up :)
[16:34] <BluesKaj> fjwbofbvw, then uninstall grub from the OS that's furthest away from the mbr (begining of the hdd) , where it's installed by the first linux OS
[16:35] <fjwbofbvw> ok thx
[16:35] <BluesKaj> then update-grub on the first linux OS
[16:38] <sitown1> Is there a time limit on pasteubuntu?
[16:40] <OerHeks> sitown1, not that i know of
[16:40] <mbroeker> fjwbofbvw,
[16:41] <sitown1> OerHeks: ok, ty
[16:43] <jhutchins> sitown1: There's a limit to what other people should be expected to sort through.
[16:43] <OerHeks> true, and no delete option
[16:46] <sitown1> jhutchins: If i understood you right. I tried to find the answer to if the paste is there forever or not. But no luck, and i needed to know if i could use the result in my fault log document. So it was greatly appriciated to get the answer.
[16:46] <caring_ish_> hello, I am using Ubuntu 12.10 & attempting to upgrade to 13.04, though the Update Manager is displaying 13.10 is available & the upgrade tool for 13.10 is not working for Ubuntu 12.10 to 13.10. Can anybody help?
[16:47] <marlo_> caring_ish_, might i recommend that you run the install CD for 13.10... if i remember correctly, it will detect your 12.10 install and upgrade it
[16:48] <caring_ish_> marlo_, I am out of discs. I would prefer to use network software
[16:49] <k1l> caring_ish_: which command did you use? please show a "lsb_release -a" in a pastebin
[16:50] <caring_ish_> k1l, "No LSB modules are available."
[16:50] <k1l> caring_ish_: that is not the part i am interessted in
[16:50] <k1l> !paste | caring_ish_
[16:52] <sitown1> caring_ish: Maybe this helps? http://askubuntu.com/questions/110477/how-do-i-upgrade-to-a-newer-version-of-ubuntu
[16:56] <caring_ish_> k1l, http://pastebin.com/B440s4Kp
[16:56] <k1l> caring_ish_: ok. what does "sudo do-release-upgrade" bring you?
[16:59] <caring_ish_> http://pastebin.com/xn5qwvZz
[17:00] <caring_ish_> k1l, look above at paste
[17:00] <daftykins> caring_ish_: yeah you can't jump two releases like that
[17:00] <k1l> caring_ish_: why is it searching for saucy? what is the exact command you did?
[17:00] <ObrienDave> caring_ish_, you must go from 12.10 to 13.04 to 13.10.
[17:01] <caring_ish_> k1l, the command you suggested
[17:01] <caring_ish_> k1l, specifically "sudo do-release-upgrade"
[17:02] <k1l> caring_ish_: ok, can you pastebin the /etc/apt/sources.list file?
[17:02] <caring_ish_> really, there should be command for specifically upgrading to the release reference
[17:03] <k1l> caring_ish_: there is. it seems that there is something wrong on your system
[17:04] <caring_ish_> k1l, if there is a command for the specific release reference, then that would be the reference necessary to use, not the troubleshooting of the sources.list, not actually
[17:04] <k1l> ?
[17:04] <k1l> again: the upgrade process works just fine and as intended. there is some problem wiht your system or sources.
[17:04] <caring_ish_> k1l, really the problem appertains the upgrade tool, not the system itself
[17:05] <k1l> caring_ish_: if you dont want support to solve the problem stop asking in here. its not a ranting channel
[17:05] <caring_ish_> k1l, the upgrade tool is for use of upgrading 13.04 to 13.10
[17:05] <daftykins> caring_ish_: forgive my suggestion, but i doubt someone's going to fix the upgrade tool for you right now - so what do you want to do? :)
[17:06] <k1l> caring_ish_: the upgrade tool upgrades from the $used_release to the $next_release
[17:06] <caring_ish_> daftykins, I'm suggesting somebody might have a reference to the correct upgrade tool for upgrading 12.10 to 13.04
[17:06] <k1l> that works.
[17:06] <daftykins> caring_ish_: so you don't even have a flash drive handy right now?
[17:06] <k1l> caring_ish_: please show your sources.list file so we can investigate what is wrong on your system
[17:06] <caring_ish_> k1l, 12.10 to 13.10 is not $used_release to the $next_release
[17:07] <k1l> caring_ish_: it is
[17:07] <k1l> well no.
[17:07] <k1l> if you got damaged sources it can be seen as next release. that is what i am asking for the sources.list file
[17:07] <karont> NickServ identify italia90
[17:07] <k1l> but if you are mr."i know everything better" dont ask for help
[17:08] <daftykins> karont: do that in your status window
[17:08] <caring_ish_> k1l, aha, that makes for reason I suppose
[17:08] <DJones> karont: Also change your password as soon as possible
[17:08] <ObrienDave> karont, thanks for sharing your password ;P
[17:08] <karont> ahahahahah so bad
[17:09] <caring_ish_> k1l, http://pastebin.com/WS1RvV9q
[17:11] <karont> password change
[17:11] <karont> :-)
[17:11] <karont>  i'm new to use xchat
[17:11] <aviv> Hi, I have a problem in Ubuntu 13.10. I installed Hebrew text input, and yet when I am in Hebrew mode and I start typing, I get Latin characters. Can anyone help?
[17:12] <TJ-> caring_ish_: It looks as if there are some references to Precise (12.04) for source packages. Not sure if those would cause the symptoms you see, though!
[17:12] <k1l> caring_ish_: you still have precise sources active. you should disable them
[17:14] <caring_ish_> TJ-; k1l, right, gracias. I disabled the "Maverick" sources, though not the "Precise" until now. :)
[17:14] <caring_ish_> I'll try again
[17:16] <caring_ish_> k1l, the update manager is still showing 13.10 as the available upgrade
[17:17] <anonymous_> yo
[17:18] <k1l> you have PPAs enabled? caring_ish_
[17:18] <ikonia> k1l: do you even need to ask
[17:18] <caring_ish_> k1l, where are the PPA option settings again?
[17:18] <anonymous_> total  noob here
[17:19] <denniso1> hi
[17:19] <k1l> caring_ish_: "ls -al /etc/apt/sources.list.d/"
[17:19] <WhatIsTheMatrix> howdy
[17:20] <anonymous_> what are  you  up  to
[17:20] <ikonia> !topic | anonymous_
[17:21] <caring_ish_> k1l, are you suggesting every file within "/etc/apt/sources.list.d/" is a PPA?
[17:22] <k1l> caring_ish_: yes, it is
[17:22] <caring_ish_> k1l, it reads "total 92"
[17:23] <WhatIsTheMatrix> wow
[17:23] <WhatIsTheMatrix> just a few there
[17:23] <caring_ish_> :D
[17:23] <WhatIsTheMatrix> software junkie are we? :)
[17:23] <WhatIsTheMatrix> don't blame you
[17:23] <caring_ish_> :)
[17:24] <Iszak> caring_ish_ what version? 12.04?
[17:24] <caring_ish_> cool nick WhatIsTheMatrix :)
[17:24] <k1l> !ppa | caring_ish_
[17:24] <WhatIsTheMatrix> caring_ish_: thx
[17:26] <caring_ish_> so WhatIsTheMatrix, if you had 254 characters to be precise with your explanation, could you? :D
[17:27] <WhatIsTheMatrix> caring_ish_: if you want, /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:27] <dougl> what is the command for grub to scan for OSes again?
[17:28] <k1l> dougl: "sudo update-grub"
[17:29] <dougl> thanks
[17:44] <kongthap> i'm using GOM player to play songs for my guitar practice because it can speed down the song and can loop within particular path, is there GOM player on ubuntu or any alternative app please???
[17:46] <WhatIsTheMatrix> kongthap: a real simple player called 'alsaplayer' can do that. so i imagine many other linux players can as well
[17:46] <ObrienDave> kongthap, audacity can loop. not sure how well it changes playback speed. are you using mp3? midi?
[17:46] <fellayaboy1> is their any tool/program that will let me input my bitlocker key to open a windows partition/disk from ubuntu?
[17:47] <WhatIsTheMatrix> kongthap: although, i was wondering the same thing ObrienDave asked
[17:48] <kongthap> ObrienDave, mostly mp3, sometime .flac
[17:48] <OerHeks> !tuxguitar
[17:48] <OerHeks> !info tuxguitar
[17:48] <kongthap> ObrienDave, the app name is audacity ???
[17:49] <ObrienDave> yes
[17:50] <ObrienDave> kongthap, sudo apt-get install audacity
[17:51] <kongthap> do i need PulseAudio???
[17:52] <ObrienDave> it should work with ALSA
[17:52] <lduros> hi, i have access to a laptop through SSH, Unity isn't working well for some reason, and I have xubuntu-desktop installed also
[17:53] <lduros> Is there a way I can switch to xubuntu desktop instead of unity
[17:53] <lduros> with lightdm?
[17:53] <lduros> from ssh?
[17:53] <lduros> using a conf file or something? Surely there must be a conf that has a given user be unity by default vs xubuntu or kde or whatever
[17:55] <marlo_> i am a veteran programmer of c++/Qt... what do I have to do to learn this new Qml stuff?  where's the best place to start?
[17:55] <marlo_> ...and should I ?
[17:56] <mbroeker> lduros, try sudo update-alternatives --config x-window-manager or x-session-manager
[17:57] <marlo_> oops, wrong channel, sorry guys
[17:57] <WhatIsTheMatrix> np
[17:58] <TJ-> lduros: manually, the file to change is "/var/cache/lightdm/dmrc/$USER.dmrc" and the entry "Session=..."
[18:01] <bugattiveyron> hi if i want to disable ati graphic and use only intel graphic what should i do with /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch ? currently it use my ati graphic
[18:02] <dipak> just disable the ati graphics from the motherboard settings.
[18:02] <bugattiveyron> there is no option to this there
[18:03] <dipak> what mother board do you use?
[18:03] <bugattiveyron> im on laptop samasung np350
[18:06] <strit> I want to change the layout of the PDF export from Griffith. But I can't understand python. Anyone that can help? :)
[18:07] <gordonjcp> strit: Python isn't that hard to learn
[18:08] <strit> gordonjcp, I'm no programmer. :P Would probably take me weeks to learn that much python.
[18:08] <gordonjcp> strit: well, maybe you can ask in the channel for the app?
[18:09] <strit> gordonjcp, that's a great idea. :)
[18:09] <WhatIsTheMatrix> is there a #python channel?
[18:09] <newb2linux> some people broke into my house last night and stole  my television, they were also going to steal the computer but they booted linux and couldnt figure it out
[18:09] <gordonjcp> strit: and really, Python isn't *that* hard to get your head around
[18:09] <gordonjcp> WhatIsTheMatrix: yes
[18:09] <WhatIsTheMatrix> gordonjcp: rgr, thx
[18:09] <newb2linux> so they threw it on the ground, could some one please tell me how i can look up what time they did this?
[18:10] <WhatIsTheMatrix> newb2linux: sorry to hear about that :-(
[18:10] <gordonjcp> newb2linux: clone the hard disk, go looking for logs
[18:10] <gordonjcp> the important thing is not to even mount the hard disk, take an image of it and fiddle with that
[18:11] <newb2linux> oh well they were not so fancy, the computer is an 8 year old dell tank
[18:11] <newb2linux> and i just reseated the video card and it was working fine again
[18:12] <TJ-> newb2linux: You can check the last time it was booted using "grep 'KERNEL supported cpus' /var/log/kern.log"
[18:12] <newb2linux> i was just trying to figure out what time they did this for the police report. I wasnt sure which log i should look at for boot times. Im new to this
[18:12] <newb2linux> oh okay
[18:12] <chemist> hello everyone, i've got a problem with starting up tor-browser... a window pops out when i start the application saying: "an unexpected error" ... after looking at the terminal output i get this: Warn - /root/tor-browser-blablabla is not owned by this user but by <unknown> (1000)
[18:12] <chemist> how do i change the owner?
[18:12] <k1l> just see the syslog* in /var/log/ they have timestamps
[18:13] <marshmn> hi all; is there any decent software for screen-sharing?
[18:13] <OerHeks> maybe /var/log/auth.log if they tried to login
[18:13] <marshmn> (ie. Ubuntu as the host)
[18:13] <WhatIsTheMatrix> chemist: man chown
[18:14] <marshmn> most online services (such as join.me and screenhero) only support Windows & Mac
[18:14] <k1l> !tor | chemist
[18:14] <chemist> i tried chown -R username: /path-to-tor
[18:14] <chemist> without success
[18:15] <WhatIsTheMatrix> chemist: try prefixing the command with...  'sudo'
[18:15] <newb2linux> okay they didnt boot linux. Does the boot loader have a log? I am positive they turned on the computer .
[18:15] <TJ-> newb2linux: No, it doesn't
[18:15] <chemist> no need...i fixed it
[18:15] <chemist> thanks anyway
[18:15] <newb2linux> oh well
[18:15] <chemist> :)
[18:15] <WhatIsTheMatrix> chemist: okay. cool. but what did you do to fix it?
[18:16] <chemist> bah...stupid .. nevermind
[18:16] <chemist> i did the chown command again
[18:16] <WhatIsTheMatrix> chemist: lol, ok
[18:16] <WhatIsTheMatrix> chemist: cool
[18:16] <newb2linux> thank you everyone for the help laters
[18:16] <chemist> and used as target /path-to-tor/Data/Tor
[18:16] <newb2linux> merry christmas
[18:16] <chemist> i forgot to use the /Data/Tor at the end :D
[18:16] <chemist> that's why it didn't work the first time
[18:16] <WhatIsTheMatrix> well, with -R
[18:17] <WhatIsTheMatrix> i would think that it would have done ALL of the dirs and everything
[18:17] <WhatIsTheMatrix> as in all of the files as well
[18:17] <chemist> yeah but it didnt :D
[18:17] <WhatIsTheMatrix> okay
[18:19] <chemist> this channel is great...i get the right answers every time i come here
[18:19] <chemist> or maybe just a hint to figure it out by myself
[18:19] <chemist> :)
[18:19] <WhatIsTheMatrix> cool :-)
[18:19] <WhatIsTheMatrix> that's what's best i think. hints that lead you to some insight, that you tehn figure out
[18:20] <WhatIsTheMatrix> then*
[18:20] <chemist> i would probably had never switched to linux years ago if it wasn't for this great support channel and online support forums
[18:20] <WhatIsTheMatrix> i hear that
[18:20] <chemist> :)
[18:21] <chemist> yeah i like it that way better too... so i can figure it out with a hint instead of being guided through the complete process
[18:22] <WhatIsTheMatrix> i had to figure out my way around by myself quite a bit. but so many other things i was befuddled with i got help with here on irc. :) i do walk people though stuff a lot though. they learn that way as well imo
[18:23] <WhatIsTheMatrix> usually when walking somone through something they will ask about most of it, or i explain it to them if they don't ask
[18:25] <chemist> yes
[18:25] <chemist> true... so he actually understands what he is doing
[18:25] <chemist> ok tor works great
[18:26] <chemist> i went to one of those whatismyip sites
[18:26] <chemist> and it says i'm in cyprus :D
[18:28] <chemist> well...i'm not :D
[18:28] <chemist> WhatIsTheMatrix is it possible to use tor for other stuff to? ... or is it ment to be used only with http?
[18:29] <chemist> or mainly ...
[18:32] <WhatIsTheMatrix> chemist: sorry, i don't really know
[18:33] <chemist> do you use tor?
[18:41] <jhutchins> chemist: I would say you're somewhere near Ljubljana, in Slovenija.
[18:44] <Pricey> My keyboard keeps dropping from EN-GB to EN-US and it's really starting to knark me. None of the keyboard/language apps seem to fix it... logging out and in sorts it out though. Any ideas? I'm on latest-stable.
[18:45] <Jazayri> was with 12.04 kde, used backports to install mate, delete kde DE but still have this five or six errors lines on my terminal when i install/uninstall/update http://pastebin.com/ca3hhr0g. thank you
[18:45] <chemist> jhutchins yes...not really but in slovenia... i'm not using the same PC to chat here :)
[18:45] <islandmonkey> Hello all, how could I disable vsync with bumblebee enabled?
[18:46] <DJones> Pricey: On Unity? I had a similar issue, on the language selector in the notification area, change it to US and then change it back to EN
[18:46] <Pricey> DJones: Yep.. and hmm I don't have one of those...
[18:47] <islandmonkey> When I load nvidia-settings w/optirun (and the correct way) nothing shows up on the XServer XVideo Settings Pane, where enabling and disabling vsync is usually done
[18:47] <DJones> Pricey: Ah, in that case, I'm not sure, I have "En" as a notification in the top right
[18:47] <lduros> simple question, what conf do I need to modify to use xubuntu desktop by default instead of unity
[18:47] <lduros> I tried settings /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf user-session= to xubuntu, no luck
[18:47] <Pricey> DJones: Something tells me this might be related to the error I get on every login... thanks... I'll try.
[18:47] <lduros> i tried changing ~/.dmrc no luck
[18:48] <lduros> There's got to be a way not involving the lightdm GUI no??
[18:48] <jhutchins> Pricey: Perhaps you should use the name of the desktop instead of the name of the distribution.
[18:48] <MonkeyDust> lduros  lightdm remembers your last choice when logging in
[18:48] <jhutchins> Pricey: try "xfce".
[18:48] <glitsj16> islandmonkey: it might be in the OpenGL settings pane
[18:48] <Pricey> jhutchins: That meant for me?
[18:49] <islandmonkey> glitsj16: Forgot to say - there's nothing vsync related in there either
[18:49] <jhutchins> Pricey: Nope. Got the name completely wrong.
[18:49] <jhutchins> lduros: You need to use the correct name.
[18:49] <chemist> jhutchins i've seen posts on the internet saying you can connect to freenode using tor
[18:49] <chemist> i will try that
[18:49] <chemist> do you use it?
[18:49] <k1l> !tor | chemist see the bots message
[18:50] <k1l> lduros: see /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[18:50] <chemist> k1l  tnx
[18:50] <chemist> !tor-sasl
[18:51] <k1l> lduros: see  /usr/share/doc/lightdm/lightdm.conf.gz  for all possible options
[18:51] <glitsj16> islandmonkey: only other way i know otoh is adding it manually in /etc/X11/xorg.conf .. i don't have to use bumblebee so not sure how that would turn out ..
[18:51] <lduros> ok
[18:51] <Lope> what software can you recommend for backing up my entire hard drive (root and home each on their own LVM volume) ?
[18:52] <MonkeyDust> Lope  rsync is fast
[18:53] <Lope> MonkeyDust: so would I just use something like DD to backup my boot sector
[18:53] <Lope> then just make a snapshot of each of my volumes, then rsync that to the backup location?
[18:53] <addajones> this is my first time on linux, on a chromebook as well, and im very excited
[18:53] <addajones> ubuntu 13.10 with xfce 4
[18:54] <glitsj16> islandmonkey: perhaps you already have it disabled in +etc/X11/xorg.conf, hence nothing showing in nvidia-settings perhaps, just a guess though
[18:54] <MonkeyDust> Lope  or skip what you added and just use rsync
[18:54] <Lope> MonkeyDust: can I rsync the LVM data blocks?
[18:54] <Lope> or rsync the whole /dev/sda even?
[18:56] <MonkeyDust> Lope  not sure, i'm not familiar with lvm
[18:57] <islandmonkey> glitsj16: With bumblebee there is no xorg.conf; instead a driver-specific xorg.conf is stored in /etc/bumblebee
[18:58] <islandmonkey> ..that looks like it doesn't do much
[18:59] <mmmmmmm> hi
[19:00] <mmmmmmm> I have a non working Synaptic touchpad
[19:01] <mmmmmmm> I also followed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingTouchpadDetection and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad#Troubleshooting
[19:02] <jhutchins> mm
[19:02] <jhutchins> mmmmmmm: Does it show up in dmesg?
[19:02] <jhutchins> mmmmmmm: Is it PCI or USB?
[19:02] <mmmmmmm> It is detected by kernel
[19:02] <Infinite> never new this existed
[19:02] <mmmmmmm> PCI (laptop)
[19:03] <mmmmmmm> also showed in xinput list
[19:03] <Infinite> peace
[19:03] <mmmmmmm> Synaptics Touch Pad V 103S              	id=10	[slave  pointer  (2)]
[19:04] <mmmmmmm> HP Touchscreen is working but Synaptics touchpad's not
[19:06] <FrederickJ> Hi, is there a global bashrc,  I want to put 'unset histfile' so it has effect on all users?
[19:07] <gazarsgo> where does load come from, if not disk or cpu ?
[19:07] <gazarsgo> context switches and interrupts ?
[19:08] <mmmmmmm> There isn't any switch for touchpad
[19:10] <Ddn> Hello?
[19:13] <Ddn> I've never used this before, how do i ask for help?
[19:14] <Vooloo> why is my clock am/pm when I set it to 24 hours?
[19:14] <kruxoman> Ddn: Just explain your problem. :)
[19:14] <VirtualEpiphany> @Vooloo - Did you log out and back in?
[19:14] <Vooloo> VirtualEpiphany: I'm sure I restarted the computer even
[19:15] <phillyj> i'm having trouble with ssh on to a local machine; I was able to ssh from that machine into my current one, but it won't work the other way around
[19:16] <VirtualEpiphany> @phillyj can you telnet to port 22 on the remote host sounds like a firewall issue
[19:16] <TJ-> phillyj: maybe you need to "sudo apt-get install openssh-server" ?
[19:16] <vlad_starkov> Question: Installing Ubuntu Server 12.04 LTS 64bit. While installing it asked to choose the kernel. What should I choose? See sccreenshot http://cl.ly/image/1p2c0w043V3V
[19:17] <Ddn> OK, I've never used IRC before. So this is a little new to me.  Question 1: I have really slow login, anything i can do to troubleshoot? Question 2:  when i change settings in gnome it affects ubuntu, do they use the same config files?
[19:17] <phillyj> TJ-: that was the first thing i did
[19:18] <TJ-> phillyj: OK, so the server is installed and running on both systems?
[19:18] <phillyj> TJ-: yes
[19:18] <Malinus> Hello. i switched from using debian on a notebook for years, to ubuntu. i remember having some problem with the wireless drivers, but even the ethernet doesn't seem to work after installing ubuntu (when connected it doesn't even light up). I tried lshw -C network, and my ethernet interface seems to say DISABLED. How would I enable it? If I can get the ehternet to work, I'll probably work out the wireless later.
[19:18] <Ddn> Is there a way to follow just one conversation? I don't think I can keep up with 1677 people.
[19:19] <phillyj> TJ-: do you know if the fact that the computer i'm on is LAN and the one I want to connect to is WiFi can be a problem
[19:19] <k1l> Malinus: what does "rfkill list" give you?
[19:19] <TJ-> phillyj: If the PCs are all on the same LAN and same IP subnet you should have no problem
[19:19] <phillyj> TJ-: the error i get is "no route to host"
[19:20] <TJ-> phillyj: Sounds like a routing issue then, on the source PC. Are both machines obtaining IP addresses from a DHCP router?
[19:20] <Malinus> k1l, the 0: hp-wife: wireless LAN sof/hardblocked: no ... the 1 and 2 are bluetooth, so the ethernet doesn't even pop up there
[19:20] <Malinus> *wifi
[19:20] <otak> Ddn: if someone tags your name it gets highlighted yes? You're right gnome and ubuntu share some config files. If it's slow, maybe your machine is >5 yrs old or maybe you have a particular graphics card problem
[19:21] <phillyj> TJ-: i guess so; i took the ip address from the DHCP list on my router
[19:21] <nocternal> phillyj: That is a generic error sometimes, such as when your intended service is not running on the other machine. (ie.  web servers is down and you're trying to use a browser).
[19:22] <phillyj> nocternal: i was just sshing from the other machine but i can't do it the other way around
[19:22] <Malinus> k1l, I'm open for any suggestions :)
[19:23] <k1l> Malinus: what does "lscpi" and "lsusb" give you? please put into a pastebin
[19:24] <Malinus> k1l, I don't even have bluetooth on this device, I have no means to transfer the data to this device :|. It only has a floppy drive :|
[19:24] <k1l> ?
[19:24] <Malinus> k1l, mind I'm not on the device on which wireless nor ethernet works :)
[19:24] <Ddn> yes, my name is highlighted. i thought they must share config files. my computer is lenovo g780 intel graphics 4000. i've tried many things to fix login, but don't know what is causing the issue. i haven't found help from reading the log files or using bootchart. but i don't know what to look for either.
[19:25] <k1l> so its that old, that its not compatible wiht the linux-kernel drivers?
[19:25] <Peetz0r> hi! I am running ubuntu 13.10, and some weird webserver is running on port 8000. I never installed webserver. It doesn't show up on netstat -4pln (as root). Output from curl -v: http://paste2.org/0C3vDMZE
[19:25] <phillyj> k1l: what are you running?
[19:25] <Malinus> k1l, no, it's 3 years old. How would I be on irc, on a device on which there is no wireless, nor ethernet :)
[19:25] <phillyj> k1l: distro, i mean
[19:26] <k1l> phillyj: that was pointed to Malinus
[19:26] <phillyj> sry, missed that
[19:27] <Malinus> k1l, I'm talking about the current device from which I'm communicating with you. It has no means of data transfer to it, other then a floppy drive. How would I pastebin the results
[19:27] <k1l> Malinus: ok, to invistigate that issue we need to know what hardware it is
[19:27] <Peetz0r> why teh fsck do I have a webserver running? I never asked for one
[19:29] <nispro_> have anyone here used hdat2? testing my new hardrives but so many tests that you can run.
[19:29] <nispro_> dont know what to do
[19:29] <Malinus> k1l, ethernet controller: Realtek semicoductors: RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI express gigabit ethernet controller (rev 02). Kernel drive in use: r8169. Let's try the not-even lighting up and looking disabled ethernet first
[19:30] <BrianH> nispro_: You probably shouldn't be running them then.  'man hdat2' should give you some nice documentation.
[19:31] <TJ-> phillyj: Have you checked the routing tables on both PCs are correct? "ip route ls"
[19:32] <Malinus> k1l, if you need more info, please do tell. like I was saying, I can't really copy any data. Well I guess I could use the serial, but I don't have a serials-serial cabel
[19:32] <nispro_> BrianH: I am using the dos cd, ye need to know which test to run smart test or just check for sectors
[19:32] <phillyj> TJ-: hold on, i rebooted that machine, and its now hanging on "we send a password packet, wait for reply"
[19:33] <phillyj> TJ-: ok, connection got closed
[19:33] <trism> Peetz0r: what is the output of: apt-cache policy webfs;
[19:33] <phillyj> TJ-: i think the problem is with authentication
[19:33] <TJ-> phillyj: Are you using "ssh -vvv" to analyse the connection?
[19:34] <phillyj> yea
[19:34] <TJ-> phillyj: are the user names the same at both ends?
[19:34] <phillyj> shouldn't be
[19:34] <TJ-> phillyj: does one have passwords disabled?
[19:34] <Peetz0r> trism: yes, I just found out that webfs is installedforsome reason
[19:34] <Peetz0r> don't know why
[19:34] <phillyj> TJ-: yes, i think so
[19:34] <phillyj> TJ-: it logs in auto from boot
[19:35] <trism> Peetz0r: yeah it doesn't seem to have any rdepends, and it's in universe so it would seem like something you'd have to install intentionally
[19:35] <Peetz0r> trism: and... why did it not show up in netstat?
[19:37] <TJ-> phillyj: What does "egrep -i 'password|pam' /etc/ssh/sshd_config" show on the target?
[19:37] <trism> Peetz0r: might have wanted -a instead of -l
[19:37] <trism> Peetz0r: but I don't really know
[19:38] <phillyj> TJ-: looking for this? PermitEmptyPasswords no; UsePAM yes
[19:45] <TJ-> phillyj: No, was wondering if "PasswordAuthentication" was set
[19:46] <TJ-> phillyj: The other thing to check, if routing is OK (which would seem to be the case) is the firewall: "sudo iptables -nvL | grep 22" in case some rules are in place for SSH
[19:46] <phillyj> TJ-: it says PasswordAuthentication yes
[19:46] <nau> yes
[19:46] <nau> hi
[19:46] <nispro_> BrianH: the documentaion was preatty bad at thier site but anyway I found out what the test did. extended smart test first and then test read and verify then extended smart test again too see sector count
[19:47] <nau> hi i need some elektronik book to my study projeck
[19:47] <nau> i hope someone can help me
[19:47] <phillyj> TJ-: there is no output from that grep on iptables
[19:47] <k1l> !ot | nau
[19:48] <bazhang> try ##electronics nau
[19:49] <TJ-> phillyj:  can you pastebin the output of "ssh -vvv <target>" so we can see what if anything is happening with the SSH protocol?
[19:51] <k1l> !away > dziegler_off
[19:52] <Malinus> Hello. i switched from using debian on a notebook for years, to ubuntu. i remember having some problem with the wireless drivers, but even the ethernet doesn't seem to work after installing ubuntu (when connected it doesn't even light up). I tried lshw -C network, and my ethernet interface seems to say DISABLED. How would I enable it? If I can get the ehternet to work, I'll probably work out the wireless later.
[19:52] <Malinus> rfkill list shows that the ethernet is diabled indeed
[19:52] <phillyj> TJ-: i was using ssh -l <username> <target ip> before but now when I tried "ssh <target ip>" i got a "permission denied (publickey, password)"
[19:55] <SonikkuAmerica> This may sound dumb, but: Do I need to GPT format a USB drive before I create a UEFI-bootable Live USB image?
[19:56] <SaberX01> man aah
[19:56] <SaberX01> whoops wrong window .. sri
[19:57] <Malinus> :/
[19:58] <Malinus> so yeah, how do I enable a a network device that is disabled?
[19:58] <Beldar> SonikkuAmerica, usual fat32 it's just the boot in that setting that matters I would look at the uefi wiki.
[20:02] <phillyj> TJ-: 1 sec, i'm getting the output for pastebinit
[20:02] <jhutchins> SonikkuAmerica: Installer images typically are an image of the drive containing the MBR, the partition table, the partions, filesystems, and files.
[20:03] <jhutchins> SonikkuAmerica: So usually you just copy or burn the image directly to the device and let that take care of it.
[20:03] <jhutchins> SonikkuAmerica: (For that reason, iso images can be mounted like devices.)
[20:14] <Ontological> Hey guys.  A recent update has made it so that my user no longer has access to USB devices.  Only root has access.  Any suggestions?
[20:14] <phillyj> TJ-: hmm, ssh is hanging at "debug2: shell request accepted on channel 0"
[20:17] <omega14> how do I get into fullscreen in chrome I tried f11
[20:19] <subz3r0> omega14: use youre favourite searchengine to get the answer
[20:20] <OerHeks> omega14, F11 should work if you have focus on your chrome window
[20:21] <Kurvivor> Hello. How can i remove shortcut? Where in configuration files can i find them?
[20:21] <omega14> I don't know why it's working
[20:21] <queonda> how can i remove all packages i've installed with pip other than system necessary python packages?
[20:21] <omega14> is there another way?
[20:23] <jhutchins> Ontological: I'm still trying to understand why someone thinks that's a good idea.
[20:23] <Ontological> Why what is a good idea, jhutchins ?
[20:25] <jhutchins> Ontological: Letting a user mount a device, but mounting it root-only.
[20:25] <Sknerus> Hi
[20:25] <reallycarl> somehow I broke my box.  I think it was from an apt-get purge.. now I see "Starting LightDM Display Manager … [fail]"  - I am assuming this is one reason I never get a gui login?
[20:25] <Ontological> jhutchins: It's not for mounting.  It's for devices for development, such as android
[20:25] <Sknerus> I
[20:26] <Sknerus> I've got one problem - videos for example in youtube are playin 3 times faster
[20:26] <Sknerus> and there is no sound
[20:26] <CarlFK> also, how do I get grub to always give me the menu so I can boot into recovery mode without having to hold shift at the right time?
[20:26] <Ontological> http://askubuntu.com/questions/24586/how-to-always-show-the-menu-in-grub2 CarlFK
[20:27] <Sknerus> what can i do with it?
[20:27] <Sknerus> i tried reinstalling flash
[20:27] <CarlFK> Ontological: thanks
[20:27] <Kurvivor> i have shortcut for my system that has broken functionality, and i cannot access it via GUI nymore
[20:27] <Kurvivor> where are shortcuts kept?
[20:27] <Carraway> when I used to install XP, the first thing I'd do is change "adjust settings for best appearance" to "settings for best performance", e.g. I'd turn off every visual tweak that wasn't absolutely necessary. Is there something similar for ubuntu?
[20:28] <zhxk> which #channel have the most chinese man, 好心人爱心接力个忙！Kindlyman help relay your favorite warm heart! http://t.cn/8kuYwOK﻿
[20:30] <BluesKaj> Carraway, that tutorial is outdated , make sure you comment hidden trimeout with # in front thern set GRUB_TIMEOUT=10=
[20:30] <BluesKaj> drop trhe second =
[20:30] <Carraway> BluesKaj I think that might have been for CarlFK ?
[20:31] <BluesKaj> Carraway, sorry
[20:32] <BluesKaj> CarlFK, that tutorial is outdated , make sure you comment hidden trimeout with # in front thern set GRUB_TIMEOUT=10 ...10 is the number of secs you want
[20:32] <CarlFK> BluesKaj: Carraway thanks
[20:32] <CarlFK> how do I remount / rw?  (recovery mounts it ro, so I can't edit default/grub.cfg
[20:33] <Ontological> mount -o remount,rw / CarlFK
[20:33] <Wolfdemon268> is there any way to dualboot ubuntu with win 8? and have the multi boot loader thing
[20:33]  * BluesKaj turns on some lights , getting hard to see the KB with these old eyes
[20:33] <demophobia> For step 8 of http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-mac-osx is the command supposed to be "of=/dev/disk1bs=1m" with no space between '1' and 'bs'? I received the error message, "dd: /dev/disk1bs=1m: Operation not supported". What is wrong?
[20:34] <CarlFK> Ontological: da.  thanks … i knew it was something like that.  now back to grub ;/
[20:36] <aminosamigos> !
[20:36] <BluesKaj> CarlFK, I forgot to mention, do the timeout editing in /etc/default/grub
[20:36] <SteveBell> hi all. why can't I just disable bluetooth in the top menu bar in ubuntu via right-click or system settings preference?
[20:36] <otak> zhxk: #ubuntu-cn good luck :D
[20:37] <glitsj16>  demophobia: use "bs=1m" not 1bs=
[20:37] <aminosamigos> !clone
[20:37] <demophobia> glitsj16: I typed "of=/dev/disk1bs=1m" -- my question was whether it should be "of=/dev/disk1 bs=1m" instead.
[20:37] <demophobia> the webpage is ambiguous
[20:38] <otak> demophobia: yes there should be a space, are you sure /dev/disk1 is right?
[20:38] <CarlFK> BluesKaj: looks like I have grub the way I want it.  Now I can always see "starting LightDM….[fail]"    where can I find a log or something
[20:38] <demophobia> Thank you. I think it is /dev/disk1, otak, because that's what diskutil list listed -- my primary OS is on disk0
[20:39] <demophobia> I will try again with a space. I wish this were more clear on http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-mac-osx
[20:39] <Wolfdemon268> anyone know how to dualboot with win 8?
[20:39] <otak> as long as you're sure that's fine :D i can see the space tho'
[20:40] <SteveBell> why can't I just disable bluetooth in the top menu bar in ubuntu via right-click or system settings preference? wouldn't that be the easiest way to give user easy accessible choice?
[20:41] <BluesKaj> CarlFK, /var/log/syslog
[20:41] <k1l> SteveBell: what about a left-click on the bluetooth icon and you uncheck the bluetooth icon?
[20:42] <SteveBell> k1l: lol thx that was easy
[20:42] <SteveBell> and it won't re-appear on a restart?
[20:42] <SteveBell> also is it then disabled?
[20:43] <k1l> yes it is disabled. but i dont know if it will restart on a reboot.
[20:43] <BluesKaj> !UEFI | Wolfdemon268
[20:43]  * SteveBell restarts super slow netbook
[20:43] <SteveBell> will return in 15 mins  or so :P
[20:44] <t0by> Hi! I have a bunch of Microsoft Office Powerpoint files. Can I convert them to something that's more or less plaintext (or at least PS) and/or grep-pable? That is, do you know of any trick?
[20:44] <t0by> I'm willing to lose some formatting, I can always go back to the original slideshow if needed, it's the greppage & indexing I need the most, since they are an helluva lot.
[20:46] <demophobia> The command just finished operating and I received a window with a yellow triangle with a white exclamation point, the message saying, "The disk you inserted was not readable by this computer." Is that supposed to happen?
[20:46] <t0by> (Dear professor Xxxx, if you are reading this, you are old enough to have at the very least typed your dissertation on a VT100. WHY 50 POWERPOINT FILES? WHY DO YOU HATE US? :-(   )
[20:46] <demophobia> I can click "Initialize...", "Ignore", and "Eject".
[20:46] <bekks> t0by: Dear student. Because I can.
[20:46] <demophobia> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-mac-osx does not mention this happening.
[20:47] <BluesKaj> t0by, http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/features/office-applications
[20:47] <SaberX01> t0by, catppt is a deb tool, my be worth a shot
[20:48] <demophobia> I clicked "Eject" as step 9 indicated. I will restart (step 10) and see if it works. Thank you.
[20:48] <CarlFK> BluesKaj: all I see in syslog is apparmor="status"… operation=profile_replace profile=unconfirmed … lightdm-guest-session-wrapper
 t0by, http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/features/office-applications <--- not sure how Libreoffice helps.
 t0by, catppt is a deb tool, my be worth a shot <--- thanks, shot being given
[20:49] <SaberX01> it also does  catdoc and xls2csv
[20:49] <CarlFK> BluesKaj: from what little I know of apparmor, "status" isn't going to block anything.
[20:51] <BluesKaj> CarlFK, did you run sudo update-grub after editing /etc/defsult grub in oder to choose the recovery kernel ?
[20:53] <CarlFK> BluesKaj: yes.  grub is good, I get the menu without having to hit shift, and it defaults to showing me all the boot messages.  like the lightDM error
[20:53] <SteveBell> k1l: restart and bluetooth icon is back
[20:54] <SteveBell> that's what I though since I'm pretty sure I tried deactivating it the way you suggested already
[20:54] <Naddiseo> How can I configure xorg to use two devices with different drivers (radeon + fglrx)? xorg.conf http://paste.ubuntu.com/6647621/  xorg.0.log http://paste.ubuntu.com/6647611/
[20:54] <cihhan> Hi! I have a problem with the installation of Ubuntu Server 12.04. I have 2 hdds and I am creating 512MB of EFI boot on the first one and the remainings are combined with LVM. When I install, in the end, the grub is not installed to anywhere. Any help pls?
[20:55] <SteveBell> so do we need a ticket for offering an easy UI option to disable bluetooth in the menubar?!?
[20:55] <SteveBell> very odd this is not in the system settings :S
[20:55] <BluesKaj> CarlFK, can you open a virtual terminal aka TTY , ctl+alt+F1-F6, then login and update and upgrade
[20:58] <CarlFK> BluesKaj: yep.  I'll do it again just to make sure everything is still up to date … I have been apt-get removing things to try and reduce the number of things that are not starting correctly.  and yeah, I hope this doesn't make things worse.  this all started with a failed attempt to install graphite and related packages
[21:00] <cihhan> I have a problem with the installation of Ubuntu Server 12.04. I have 2 hdds and I am creating 512MB of EFI boot on the first one and the remainings are combined with LVM. When I install, in the end, the grub is not installed to anywhere. Any idea?
[21:01] <BluesKaj> have to go , stuff to do
[21:02] <TJ-> cihhan: How are you installing it, using a server ISO image?
[21:02] <demophobia> How do I tell whether there is a wireless adapter installed on this computer? I am trying to connect to a wireless network, and I am not sure whether this computer has an internal wireless card or if I need to plug one in via USB, or if there's some other reason I'm not connecting to the internet: I'm booting from USB with Ubuntu 12.04.3 LTS.
[21:03] <CarlFK> demom: start with lspci and lsusb
[21:04] <CarlFK> er wron nick.. demophobia  ^^^
[21:04] <gordonjcp> demophobia: "ifconfig -a"
[21:04] <gordonjcp> demophobia: "iwconfig"
[21:04] <SaberX01> cihhan, have you read through the UB UEFI info: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[21:05] <CarlFK> gordonjcp: that assumes the proper driver has been loaded.  but I guess if it shows up, the yeah, it has it and a driver too
[21:06] <demophobia> gordonjcp: iwconfig returns with "lo no wireless extensions" and "eth0 no wireless extensions" -- does that mean there is no wireless adapter installed? I understand eth0 means the 0th ethernet adapter; what does lo mean?
[21:06] <demophobia> (I don't know whether my understanding of the text "eth0" is correct.)
[21:07] <demophobia> ifconfig -a returns ... oh
[21:07] <demophobia> lo = Local Loopback
[21:07] <jesther> How is sudo linked to the normal user?
[21:07] <jesther> Normal user isn't in the sudoers file.
[21:07] <gordonjcp> jesther: groups
[21:08] <demophobia> I don't understand the information returned by 'ifconfig -a', but 'iwconfig' returns 'no wireless extensions' for both lo and eth0, so I suppose my question is answered ...
[21:08] <k1l> jesther: the user must be in the sudo group
[21:08] <gordonjcp> demophobia: so far, there's no *working* wireless adaptor
 t0by, catppt is a deb tool, my be worth a shot <--- oh, well, did I mention what I have are actually pptx files? No? That's because I didn't notice. Obviously catppt doesn't work.
[21:10] <DarkAceZ> what's the command to stop a process?
[21:10] <DarkAceZ> not kill, mind you
[21:10] <SteveBell> k1l: so we do have a bug for this issue from 2012 march: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/952036/
[21:10] <demophobia> gordonjcp: Thank you.
[21:10] <DarkAceZ> stop, like temporarily, in case you want to start it again
[21:10] <t0by> DarkAceZ, it's actually kill.
[21:10] <t0by> you have to specify the signal from the command line
[21:10] <t0by> man kill and see which signals you can send
[21:10] <gordonjcp> demophobia: okay, is the machine *likely* to have built-in wifi?
[21:10] <TJ-> DarkAceZ: You can 'background' a process using "bg"
[21:10] <t0by> I *think* kill -SIGSTOP yourpid *should* work but.
[21:10] <gordonjcp> demophobia: that's not terribly likely for desktops, fairly likely for laptops
[21:11] <t0by> Or well, CTRL+Z from the command line should usually work
[21:11] <t0by> fg or, again, kill -SIGCONT brings it up again.
[21:11] <demophobia> I think this desktop used an external wireless adapter connected via USB due to the design of the chassis.
[21:11] <DarkAceZ> thanks, t0by
[21:11] <DarkAceZ> that's what I was looking for
[21:11] <DarkAceZ> kill -SIGSTOP
[21:12] <t0by> DarkAceZ, bottom line is - "kill" is not just for killing, but for all sorts of signals. Yeah, counterintuitive.
[21:12] <demophobia> More important issue: The hard drive on this computer may be bad. I do not have the Vista Home Premium recovery disks, and so I am considering installing this Ubuntu OS instead. Is there a way to test the hard drive to see if it is damaged from the Ubuntu USB boot drive?
[21:12] <cihhan> TJ-, SaberX01, Sorry I missed your writings. I have installed Ubuntu before without LVM, but now Im trying to install with LVM. And Im having problem. Yes Im using a CD.
[21:13] <gordonjcp> demophobia: there's a disk utility
[21:14] <gordonjcp> demophobia: boot to a desktop, and run Disks
[21:14] <gordonjcp> you can pull up stuff like SMART stats
 t0by, catppt is a deb tool, my be worth a shot <--- You know when RMS spews his nonsense against proprietary standards and stuff and you are like "yeah, dude, chill, it's not like people die"? Well, turns out that if I can't convert this PPTX nonsense into *something* I may very well kill somebody tonight :-E''
[21:14] <demophobia> gordonjcp: Thank you. Disk Utility says, "SMART Status: Disk has a few bad sectors". I don't know what this means, really, or how to fix it ...
[21:15] <t0by> I'm giving money to the FSF for Christmas. Really.
[21:15] <demophobia> ah, I clicked "View SMART data and run self-tests"
[21:16] <Bashing-om> demophobi; "a few bad sectors" is acceptable, there is no such thing as a perfect hard disk.
[21:16] <adas> hi, I can share videos, pics and music from my windows computer with my TV, does it mean its possible to do with my ubuntu server?
[21:17] <gordonjcp> demophobia: if there are few enough sectors to remap them, don't worry
[21:17] <demophobia> 'Reallocated Sector Count' has assessment 'Warning', Value 'Normalized: 100 / Worst: 100 / Threshold: 36 / Value: 230 sectors'
[21:18] <demophobia> 'Airflow Temperature' has Assessment 'Failed in the past' with Value 'Normalized: 78 / Worst: 45 / Threshold: 45 / Value: 22 C / 72 F'
[21:18] <clifter> Running Ubuntu 13... File managers I use: (Files 3.8.2 & Nemo 1.8.4) ~ Suggestions on other file managers? ~ Is there a way show a drop/down detailed view in the furthest left hand column? ?
[21:18] <demophobia> 'Current Pending Sector Count' has Assessment 'Warning' with Value 'Normalized: 100 / Worst: 100 / Threshold: 0 / Value: 158 sectors"
[21:19] <demophobia> ... and that's all the red/bad looking stuff ...
[21:19] <Aprel> What's the best way to report typographical "bugs" for software hosted on launchpad? Report it like any other bug?
[21:19] <Aprel> The "bug" is a comma where a period/full stop should be in one of the dialogs. Should I report this like any other bug, or is something this minor better suited elsewhere?
[21:19] <SaberX01> demophobia, what drove you to run the tests in the first place, just bored, wanted to know, have some error in Ubuntu or what?
[21:19] <MaynardWaters> anyone with experience growing an raid 5 array
[21:20] <MaynardWaters> ?
[21:20] <Naddiseo> Aprel, report a bug on launchpad so there's a record of it.
[21:21] <demophobia> SaberX01: The computer used Vista Home Premium and crashed back in March, and has not been usable since then. I am trying to repair it now. I think the hard drive may need to be replaced, but I don't know by what criteria that decision should be made.
[21:21] <gordonjcp> demophobia: well, stick Ubuntu on it
[21:21] <gordonjcp> demophobia: if it fails horribly with all sorts of hard disk problems, go buy a new hard disk
[21:21] <SaberX01> demophobia, yea what he said ^^___^^  ..
[21:21] <demophobia> Attempting to boot normally results in the BSOD 'STOP: 0x0000007B (0XFFFFF880009A9928,0XFFFFFFFFC0000034,0X0000000000000000,0X0000000000000000)'
[21:22] <MaynardWaters> I am trying to grow an raid 5 array with 3x3TB drives to a 4x3TB drive array
[21:22] <MaynardWaters> i wouldnt mind change it to raid 6, but raid 5 is preferable
[21:22] <demophobia> Startup Repair seems unable to function properly, and System Restore failed.
[21:22] <TJ-> MaynardWaters: Using mdraid or LVM or both?
[21:22] <Aprel> Naddiseo: ok, will do.
[21:23] <Bashing-om> demophobia, TBH, the threashold appears to be exceeded, why not consider zeroing out that drive(dd command)  prior to installing ubuntu. see what then results.
[21:23] <demophobia> Bashing-om: would I click 'Format Volume'?
[21:23] <demophobia> in Disk Utility?
[21:23] <TJ-> MaynardWaters: For MD, see "man mdadm" and the 'grow' options with --raid-devices=X
[21:24] <demophobia> is that a graphical-user interface method of using the 'dd' command?
[21:24] <demophobia> I just did 'man dd' in the terminal, and it says "convert and copy a file" ...
[21:26] <SaberX01> demophobia, dd is a command line tool, for a GUI version, look at gdiskdump
[21:26] <Bashing-om> demophobia; I know of no counter part to the command line utility "dd", dd == disk destoryer, use with extreme caution. It works ! and does exactly as told, wheather that was the intent or not.
[21:26] <Kurvivor> How can i switch languages?
[21:28] <SaberX01> Kurvivor, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Locale
[21:28] <Guest13452> hello everyone!
[21:28] <SteveBell> does anybody know how to permanently deactivate USB in ubuntu 13.10? no UI option available...
[21:28] <irreverant> Ok im frustrated with this OS
[21:29] <MonkeyDust> irreverant  it's called "learning"
[21:29] <irreverant> MonkeyDust: its called simplicity of UI
[21:29] <irreverant> Where can i change the display resolution settings
[21:30] <TJ-> SteveBell: One way is to prevent the USB kernel modules from loading, but in Ubuntu those modules are built-in so you'd need to use kernel command-line options, if available, to disable USB totally
[21:31] <Bashing-om> demophobia; Food for thought, as a means of last resort - zero out a drive -> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1M <- where sda is that 1st hard disk the system recognizes(carefull here).
[21:31] <irreverant> And how can i update my drivers for my video card, i have a dell mini 9 and get part of mys creen cut off because the resolution is over sized
[21:31] <SteveBell> ok, too much multitasking and maybe too much red wine. what I'm looking for is to disable bluetooth in the top menu bar
[21:31] <SteveBell> permanently
[21:31] <MonkeyDust> irreverant  system settings > display
[21:31] <irreverant> tried there
[21:32] <demophobia> Bashing-om: I don't understand the context for doing that, i.e. what it accomplishes, what problem it fixes. I have the impression it "wipes the drive clean of data" ...
[21:32] <irreverant> MonkeyDust is there a way to autohide the taskbar?
[21:33] <OerHeks> SteveBell, that could be set in Users&groups, which is not installed standard > http://askubuntu.com/questions/45647/users-and-groups-administration-tool-what-do-the-options-in-user-privileges-ta
[21:33] <SteveBell> hm, how to raise this with devs? or don't they care about UX?
[21:33] <MonkeyDust> irreverant  install unity-tweak-tool
[21:33] <TJ-> SteveBell: You can add "nousb" to the kernel command line (in grub) to disable the USB sub-system
[21:34] <irreverant> would that be apt-get install unity-tweak-tool
[21:34] <MaynardWaters> TJ- I am using mdadm, and I have been reading the man page along with a number of other online resources
[21:34] <MonkeyDust> irreverant  yes
[21:34] <MaynardWaters> TJ-: asdfjkl@TROOPER:~$ sudo mdadm --grow /dev/md0 --add /dev/sde –raid-devices=4
[21:34] <MaynardWaters> mdadm: can only add devices to linear arrays
[21:34] <SteveBell> TJ-:  yes. well the things is what is the concept with ubuntu? going mainstream or staying with sys admins and staying at 1,3% market share? I just don't understand why UI is neglected
[21:35] <SteveBell> if anybody has exact terminal commands I'm happy to execute
[21:35] <MaynardWaters> Just doesn't seem right to me that I can't grow a raid 5 array, at the least I'll want to convert it from raid 5 to 6, but that doesn't look like an easy process.
[21:35] <SteveBell> but I'm just not sure if assuming such in depth knowledge can be expected from the average user
[21:35] <TJ-> SteveBell: For disabling Bluetooth you'd want to disable the bluetooth service itself from starting, which would cause the bluetooth applet to 'hide'
[21:35] <SteveBell> yep I understand things so far
[21:36] <SaberX01> irreverant,  You dont need tweak for that(but tweak is a nice tool), it's it's easy, hit the super key (win-key) type in dash, Display, then appearance ...then behavior
[21:36] <Bashing-om> dd does in fact wipe the disk, replacing all data with zeors, when (re-)installing a new partition table is made and maybe all those bad sectors are actually usable ! I have rsecued several disks using this method - never to  be considered 100% reliable though .
[21:36] <Aprel> launchpad lets me attach a patch to the bug report. Is a "patch" the file(s) from the source that I fixed dumped into a tar.gz? What's the proper format to submit a "patch" to incorrect source files?
[21:36] <WhatIsTheMatrix> SteveBell: if it is a system service, maybe you could use the 'bum' package to disable it
[21:36] <WhatIsTheMatrix> !info bum
[21:37] <gnudo> i have a motorola flipside phone (Motorola MB508) and I am trying to interact with it using my GNU/Linux computer via bluetooth.
[21:37] <Deisso> hello, I need help with my audio?
[21:37] <MonkeyDust> gnudo  ubuntu?
[21:37] <gnudo> Bluetooth is enabled on both devices. On the Motorola Flipside i can see that the device is paired and connected but i can not browse files on the device from GNU/Linux computer, let alone configure it with wammu
[21:38] <Deisso> could someone help me please ;3
[21:38] <SaberX01> gnudo, are either one of these devices using UBuntu ?
[21:38] <MonkeyDust> Deisso  start with a question
[21:38] <gnudo> MonkeyDust, 12.04ish
[21:38] <Deisso> I need help with my audio? it is slient
[21:38] <Deisso> silent*
[21:38] <MonkeyDust> gnudo  what's the outcome of    cat /etc/issue
[21:39] <Kurvivor> SaberX01: that is definitrly not it
[21:39] <MonkeyDust> Deisso  in a terminal, type     alsamixer     if you see mm, go there and hit m
[21:39] <Deisso> ok
[21:39] <gnudo> SaberX01, the computer is running 12.04ish, the Motorola Flipside android
[21:39] <MonkeyDust> gnudo  what's the outcome of    cat /etc/issue
[21:39] <Kurvivor> SaberX01: i have russian installed, but locale -a does not list it
[21:39] <SteveBell> WhatIsTheMatrix: sure. but how to install etc pp. well maybe the bug gets some attention from a dev one day…
[21:39] <SaberX01> Kurvivor, what are you tlakign about?
[21:39] <SaberX01> *talking
[21:40] <Deisso> jorge at jorge-ubuntu in ~                                                          ,↪ alsamixer, cannot open mixer: No such file or directory
[21:40] <Deisso> there is the output
[21:40] <gnudo> MonkeyDust, i am running Trisquel GNU/Linux 6.0 (based on 12.04) on my computer
[21:40] <MonkeyDust> Deisso  the command is     alsamixer
[21:40] <SaberX01> Kurvivor, sorry  you already answered, that's who locals are configured.
[21:40] <SaberX01> how
[21:40] <MonkeyDust> gnudo  trisuel is not supported here, better ask in their channel
[21:41] <Deisso> MonkeyDust, I did alsamixer
[21:41] <MonkeyDust> gnudo  we don't know what the trisqel people changed
[21:41] <TJ-> SteveBell: the bluetoothd is started by Upstart, from "/etc/init/bluetooth.conf" You'd want to rename that to prevent the bluetooth daemon starting: "sudo service bluetooth stop" then  "sudo mv /etc/init/bluetooth.conf /etc/init/bluetooth.conf.disabled"
[21:41] <MonkeyDust> Deisso  and it's ubuntu?
[21:42] <gnudo> MonkeyDust, i tried #trisquel but to no avail
[21:42] <Kurvivor> SaberX01: yet there is nothing on shortcuts for language switch there, isn't it?
[21:42] <Deisso> yes it is ubuntu MonkeyDust
[21:43] <MonkeyDust> gnudo  any reason you're using trisqel? there are more supported distro's, like ubuntu
[21:43] <SaberX01> Kurvivor, use sudo locale-gen to generate the lang's you would like to use.
[21:43] <SteveBell> TJ-: executed both commands. now restarting to test
[21:44] <MonkeyDust> Deisso  don't mistype, in terminal: alsamixer
[21:44] <planet> Hi
[21:44] <Deisso> i did!
[21:44] <MonkeyDust> Deisso  and what ubuntu version?
[21:44] <Deisso> 13.10
[21:44] <planet> Hi everyone
[21:45] <planet> Is there my text?
[21:45] <WhatIsTheMatrix> hello, yes planet
[21:45] <planet> ok
[21:45] <planet> I have a question
[21:45] <SaberX01> Kurvivor, also look at using dpkg-reconfigure locales but the locales must be listed in: /var/lib/locales/supported.d/local before dpkg will generate tthem.
[21:46] <planet> What is the Programming Language used in Terminal?
[21:46] <MonkeyDust> planet  bash
[21:46] <Deisso> I think bash or sh
[21:46] <WhatIsTheMatrix> planet: it's called bash
[21:46] <planet> ok
[21:46] <Deisso> oh then its bash
[21:46] <yreyes> yup
[21:46] <planet> How can i learn it?
[21:46] <WhatIsTheMatrix> usually anyway. there are different 'shells'(sh)
[21:46] <MonkeyDust> planet  by doing some reading
[21:47] <Deisso> MonkeyDust
[21:47] <yreyes> read
[21:47] <MonkeyDust> Deisso
[21:47] <Deisso> Does it matter that I use fish shell?
[21:47] <Deisso> I've used it for a long time
[21:47] <Deisso> and sound used to work
[21:47] <WhatIsTheMatrix> bash = Bourne Again Shell
[21:47] <planet> Do you advice a web page or pdf manual for me?
[21:47] <MonkeyDust> Deisso  try to go out of it, use bash and then alsamixer
[21:47] <Deisso> ok
[21:47] <Deisso> but I forgot how to change back to bash
[21:47] <Deisso> D:
[21:48] <WhatIsTheMatrix> Deisso: i think it's in ~/.bash_profile
[21:48] <Deisso> ok
[21:48] <planet> ok
[21:48] <WhatIsTheMatrix> Deisso: that's if i remember correctly
[21:48] <planet> I have another question
[21:48] <Bashing-om> planet, good place to start: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FullBashGuide
[21:49] <planet> I want to learn Web Development
[21:49] <WhatIsTheMatrix> Deisso: ok, sorry, perhaps it...   ~/.bashrc
[21:49] <planet> Before i used HTML, CSS, JavaScript and PHP
[21:49] <Deisso> ok
[21:49] <MonkeyDust> planet  books, tutorials, you have to do some reading
[21:49] <planet> now i want tu use another language for server side
[21:49] <planet> i have 2 choise, Python or Java
[21:50] <Kurvivor> SaberX01: that is irrelevant to my problem. there is no shortcuts to be set in locales
[21:50] <planet> which is better for web?
[21:50] <MonkeyDust> planet  better ask in #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:50] <WhatIsTheMatrix> Deisso: bah. you better ask someone else. i think i still got that wrong.
[21:50] <Kurvivor> SaberX01: i need to find where shortcut for language switch can be set or unset
[21:50] <Deisso> yeah you did
[21:50] <WhatIsTheMatrix> Deisso: rgr
[21:50] <Kurvivor> SaberX01: preferably unset, and using console/text editor
[21:50] <planet> ok
[21:51] <SaberX01> Kurvivor, Thats' how they are set / regenerated, so it is relevant, sorry maybe others can advise.
[21:54] <jeeves_moss> i'm trying to get the mini.iso to install on a Vortex86 CPU, and when I get to the point (ubuntu 10.04LTS) where it's downlaoding the installer files, it just hangs on the blue screen with the grey bar at the bottom.  what causes this?
[21:55] <intrader> Hello, it appears that deleting python is a disaster. How do I recover - it seems to have deleted a hug amount of stuff, including Launcher items, libraries, gnome utilities, etc. I have reinstalled python put what was deleted from the system does not come back
[21:55] <DJones> jeeves_moss: 10.04 is no longer supported (since May 2013) I would guess that the installer is trying to look for the files that no longer exist
[21:55] <SteveBell> TJ-:  SUCESS °/
[21:55] <wildon> nm
[21:55] <SteveBell> :) worked liked a dream
[21:55] <SteveBell> thanks for helping me out!
[21:55] <SteveBell> on the long run this really needs to be addressed by devs
[21:55] <TJ-> SteveBell: Great :)
[21:56] <irreverant> No I dont want to close the "Apple Unity" bar
[21:57] <irreverant> I want to autohide the "Finder" bar up top.
[21:57] <SaberX01> intrader, hwo exactly did you delete python initially?
[21:57] <SaberX01> *how
[21:57] <irreverant> I wish they would just let me choose whether i want unity, kde or gnome and not make the choice for me...
[21:57] <irreverant> thats what linux is about, if i wanted a closed system then i would use windows or apple....
[21:57] <intrader> SaberX01, `sudo apt-get remove python`
[21:57] <wildon> lol
[21:58] <irreverant> whats the point of having liberty if i cant enjoy freedom.
[21:58] <irreverant> thats what linux is about free as in speech not beer!
[21:58] <Deisso> MonkeyDust, the sound still doesn't work
[21:58] <SaberX01> intrader, ouch .,. as you now know, not a good thing too do.
[21:58] <MonkeyDust> Deisso  have you tried alsamixer?
[21:58] <Deisso> -.- yes
[21:59] <wildon> fun how we love freedom but cnt work for it
[21:59] <irreverant> wildon: i assume you mean that, im lazy and dont
[21:59] <irreverant> am not willing to work to modify my ui?
[21:59] <SaberX01> intrader, You could try: sudo apt-get install --reinstall python2.7  .. and also I've seen that reinstalling ubuntu-desktop restore pythin2.7 aslo.
[21:59] <irreverant> your right freedom is not free
[21:59] <Deisso> dom
[22:00] <MonkeyDust> irreverant  what was your first question? what brings you here?
[22:00] <irreverant> Since the drivers for my box suck, im stuck with an oversized screen that chops everything from the bottom of all my windows
[22:00] <irreverant> which means the ok, save and close buttons are not available to me
[22:01] <irreverant> and in the grand wisdom of the ubuntu developers, they wont allow me to modify the size of the window to
[22:01] <intrader> SaberX01, I have done `sudo apt-get install python`. Should I do as you say?
[22:01] <irreverant> make them smaller so that i can see said buttons...
[22:01] <SaberX01> intrader, yes, try that.
[22:01] <k1l> irreverant: please stop than nonsense ranting and stick to acutal ubuntu support issues.
[22:01] <irreverant> i cant modify the screen resolution, so the only thing i can think of doing that will give me more space
[22:01] <MonkeyDust> irreverant  have you tried the system settings?
[22:01] <irreverant> is removing the Menu/find bar up top
[22:02] <irreverant> How do i remove the menu bar from the top of the screen
[22:02] <irreverant> or autohide
[22:02] <intrader> SaberX01, command is `sudo apt-get install --reinstall python2.7` - is that right?
[22:03] <irreverant> the black bar up top... thats always there?
[22:03] <Deisso> MonkeyDust, :3
[22:03] <SaberX01> intrader, yes
[22:03] <irreverant> Anyone?
[22:03] <MonkeyDust> irreverant  are you using a special type of screen? i've never seen symptoms you describe
[22:03] <intrader> SaberX01, doing it, let you know
[22:03] <SaberX01> ok
[22:04] <wildon> nup i min yo dont sit n piss
[22:04] <Deisso> ?
[22:04] <uBUXUBu> i just experienced some very odd behaviour with my ubuntu 1204 lts clean installation....
[22:04] <irreverant> No, im using a dell mini 9
[22:04] <irreverant> ubuntu 12.04
[22:04] <uBUXUBu> when i booted up the desktopp was BLACK WITH THE NORMAL UNITY SIDE BAR SHOWING
[22:05] <irreverant> MonkeyDust: interesting right?
[22:05] <uBUXUBu> then i went into my pics and put a new desktop beackground on it and it worked
[22:05] <cheryl_c> how do i use gparted to partition a drive in ubuntu?
[22:05] <uBUXUBu> must be a bug
[22:05] <irreverant> So if i make changes to the desktop behaviour i cannot select save or ok because the window dips below the boundary of my display=
[22:05] <irreverant> Im very frustrated and out of ideas
[22:06] <jeeves_moss> cheryl_c, launch a term and do "sudo gparted".
[22:06] <intrader> SaberX01, installs 2.7.3 which is what I tried to get rid of to upgrade. Nothing changed on the desktop
[22:06] <irreverant> I cant move it up further because the menu bar is always present and prevents the top border of the active window from overlapping or being ontop of the menu bar.
[22:06] <uBUXUBu> now from day to day i will never know what its going to do
[22:06] <Deisso> i tried something, gonna reboot
[22:07] <irreverant> which again prohibits the my ability to select the save or ok buttons at the bottom of the active window
[22:07] <MonkeyDust> irreverant  is the page useful https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DellMini9     <-- "last edited 2012-01-06"
[22:07] <irreverant> does this help explain my issue
[22:07] <irreverant> ?
[22:07] <SaberX01> intrader, you can not del / remove python2.7 Ubuntu needs it to function properly .. whay version pythign do you need?
[22:07] <SaberX01> what version
[22:08] <intrader> SaberX01, looking at a tutorial by robertson what indicated that 2.7.3 was not the latests
[22:08] <MonkeyDust> irreverant  there are plenty sites and forums about the dell mini 9, methinks the hardware is not fit for ubuntu
[22:08] <k1l> irreverant: keep pressing "alt" key for showing windows
[22:10] <Deisso> MonkeyDust, I found my own answer
[22:10] <Deisso> but thanks anyways
[22:10] <Deisso> bye
[22:10] <irreverant> Well the page sort of helps...
[22:10] <MonkeyDust> Deisso  share it with the channel
[22:10] <bitnumus> hi, can someone tell me how to fit an image for ubuntu background full width across dual monitors? there is a setting called 'span' but this only fits to height
[22:10] <SaberX01> intrader, correct, python2.7.3 is nto the latestes, pything3.xx is latest but Ubuntu needs / requires python2.7x to function. You can install python3 side by side, and in your pything3 scripts add the shebang" #!/usr/bin/env python3 if you want p3thon 3 v.. python2.7.x
[22:11] <irreverant> yeah, its funny though since i purchased the oem product with a preinstalled ubuntu certified hardware compatibility and now its not fit for?
[22:11] <irreverant> too funny!
[22:11] <uBUXUBu> ru opening with image viewer 1st??
[22:12] <irreverant> Here buy this with Ubuntu: but in less than a year it wont be supported by us... sounds a lot like microsoft.... no wait at least winblows still has support an additional 6 years
[22:12] <irreverant> i should have just stuck with red hat
[22:12] <uBUXUBu> red hat? thats like mutiny?
[22:12] <irreverant> the truth is no one here knows how to get the menu bar off the window
[22:12] <michael__> Hello
[22:12] <k1l> irreverant: last warning: stop the ranting. keep it to support in here
[22:13] <michael__> I am having a problem with a usb device
[22:13] <k1l> !details | irreverant
[22:13] <irreverant> I have explained... how do i autohide the menu bar ontop of the desktop
[22:13] <irreverant> Where the power button and wifi and email and time clock are all located at?
[22:13] <k1l> irreverant: there is no such option on unity.
[22:14] <michael__> irreverant: I don't think you can
[22:14] <MonkeyDust> irreverant  find "resolution" on this page, is it useful http://www.thanhsiang.org/faqing/node/150
[22:14] <k1l> irreverant: but i already told you, that you can shove that window with pressing the "alt"-key
[22:14] <SaberX01> irreverant, I gave you that answer 20 minutes ago: Dash, Appearance, Behavior, Auto-Hone On.Off slider.
[22:14] <SaberX01> Auto-Hide .. ..
[22:15] <michael__> I am trying to copy a blu ray disk into an iso image, but after about 60kb of data transferred, the reader disconnects and reconnects
[22:15] <SaberX01> irreverant, and a second answer was also given to use Ubuntu Tweak
[22:16] <uBUXUBu> careful with tweak it eventualy messes up
[22:17] <SaberX01> uBUXUBu, :-) .. my eventually needs gas too but hey, gets me from point A to Point B
[22:17] <michael__> Here is a pastebin showing the log of ddrescue: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6648020/
[22:17] <uBUXUBu> it does work...for awhile
[22:17] <uBUXUBu> ubuntu is funny about...changing things from default
[22:18] <michael__> Can someone help me?
[22:18] <SaberX01> uBUXUBu, from a consistency standpoint, that's probably a good thing. For those that feel the need to tweak everythign, just because they can, probably not a good thing.
[22:18] <bekks> uBUXUBu: Ubuntu doesnt change settings without user implication.
[22:19] <SaberX01> In any case, he given options, but chose either not to use them, or didn't not understand the direction given, not sure which.
[22:20] <uBUXUBu> i recall when ubuntu used to let you customize the top panel...but if you did it...in a week or 2 it would break...i jjust changed my desktop a few days ago...now it broke. luckily it let me fix it.
[22:23] <Pricey> uBUXUBu: That's the thing about Linux, you get to keep the pieces.
[22:23] <uBUXUBu> yeah
[22:23] <uBUXUBu> still lubb my 1204
[22:24] <uBUXUBu> buts its a tad on the unstable side
[22:25] <SaberX01> I've have very few problems with 12.04 .. Desktop or Server .. has worked well for me.
[22:25] <uBUXUBu> me too
[22:26] <uBUXUBu> for the most part
[22:26] <adas> is there a way with a script that moves a file that is put in a directory to another directory depending on the name and type of the file?
[22:27] <demophobia> Does doing the 'dd' command to erase the hard drive make any difference if I'm going to reformat it?
[22:27] <SaberX01> adas, yes, easily done .. you should ask in #bash though
[22:27] <adas> SaberX01: thanks!
[22:28] <bekks> demophobia: Yes, big difference. dd overwrites disk blocks, while reformatting just puts an empty filesystem header onto a disk.
[22:29] <MonkeyDust> brb
[22:30] <Bashing-om> demophobia; In your use case, yes, in that you want to over-write the "bad" sectors, and maybe put that hard disk back to service.
[22:30] <demophobia> So does 'Erase or format the volume' in Disk Utility not accomplish that same result?
[22:31] <SaberX01> no
[22:31] <demophobia> 'erase' doesn't do what 'dd' does?
[22:31] <SaberX01> I dont know homw many different ways these guys can answer the same question, they are differetn tools for different things, both of which have been stated, then restated.
[22:32] <demophobia> Sorry.
[22:32] <demophobia> Thank you.
[22:33] <damarusama> can I setup a wireless network from the command line if I don't have iwconfig on my box?
[22:33] <WhatIsTheMatrix> i suppose  you could pipe the output of /dev/null into dd to "erase" stuff on a filesystem
[22:33] <jhutchins> damarusama: Probably not.
[22:34] <damarusama> no way to make a network config file and point the wlan0 to the proper essid/
[22:34] <damarusama> ?
[22:35] <jhutchins> damarusama: You can always try, I don't know if the setup calls iwconfig to make the settings or something else.
[22:35] <demophobia> I'm looking at the command you gave me, "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1M", and now I'm trying to figure out how to ascertain the path I need to use for that drive. ...
[22:36] <demophobia> oh, looking at Disk Utility, seems it's "/dev/sda"
[22:37] <Bashing-om> demophobia; from the liveDVD, issue terminal command -> sudo fdisk -lu , sudo blkid <- To know the idebtity of the disks and partitions.
[22:42] <demophobia> 'fdisk -lu' indicates it is '/dev/sda', while 'blkid' indicates it is '/dev/sda1' -- why is there a discrepancy? (Does blkid assign everything numbers?) Which should I use?
[22:43] <Bashing-om> demophobia; If you are going to "dd" takes about an hour per gig. There is no respsonse in the original terminal for any status. see -> man dd <- for a means to open another terminal session and get a staus on what "dd" is doing.
[22:43] <witox> Witam
[22:43] <demophobia> hour per gig?!
[22:43] <bekks> demophobia: fdisk shows disks, while blkid shows filesystems.
[22:43] <witox> yeye
[22:43] <bekks> demophobia: And there is a filesystem on partition 1 of sda - sda1.
[22:44] <demophobia> Is it really a good idea to spend 21 days (500 hours) 'dd' a 500 GB hard drive?
[22:44] <bekks> No. Use bs=16M in addition.
[22:45] <Bashing-om> demophobia' sda is the entire drive (1st recognized) and on that 1st drive are partitions, the first partition is 1, thus there is the nomenclature sda1 for the 1st hard dive-1st partition. and yeah, you want to write to the hard drive sd(a). But make double sure positive that sda is the drive in question.
[22:47] <demophobia> Thanks. I have. There is a flash drive connected, from which I am booting this Ubuntu distribution, '/dev/sdb' - the only other drive returned by 'sudo fdisk -lu' is the damaged 500 GB drive, '/dev/sda'.
[22:47] <Bashing-om> demophobia; My error on time .. takes 5 hours to zero out a 500 gig drive . I have did so a few times, on my fast(er) system it does take 5 hours ! for 500 gigs.
[22:48] <admin-b> I have 2 ponys
[22:48] <demophobia> but that's using bs=16M, not bs=1M, right? So I should use bs=16M as you said.
[22:49] <demophobia> looks like bs=16M tells it to write "16 Megabytes" at a time (looking at 'man dd'), right? ...
[22:49]  * demophobia isn't confident about anything, even obvious things.
[22:50] <SaberX01> IF you want to time it look at using PV: dd if=/dev/foo bs=8M | pv -s 500G | sudo dd of=/dev/baz bs=8M
[22:50] <Bashing-om> demophobia; Block Space 16 Megs would be a LOT faster, but would it be as effective to over-write than 1M, I can not say.
[22:51] <demophobia> SaberX01: I do not understand that command; 'man pv' to read about 'pv' -- if | is an operator to say 'execute these commands together' -- returns 'No manual entry for pv'
[22:51] <SaberX01> All he needs to do is add zero's to the blacks, then attempt an install ..
[22:51] <SaberX01> *blocks
[22:51] <demophobia> Yes, I think so.
[22:52] <bekks> demophobia: pv just displays a progress bar.
[22:52] <SaberX01> demophobia, dont worry abotu PV sorry for confusing things even further.
[22:52] <demophobia> So should I execute "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1M" or "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=16M" or "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=8M"? Would that be 500*1024 MB / (option) length of time?
[22:53] <demophobia> i.e. 16M would take 32,000 seconds?
[22:53] <demophobia> (~9 hours)
[22:53] <bekks> demophobia: bs=8M / bs=16M doesnt matter actually as long as you set it. the default is 512 Bytes, which will cause at least 16 times more write accesses than using 8M.
[22:54] <bekks> errm. nope. 8M = 8192k = 8192 * 2 * 512.
[22:54] <Npc> are there installation images that fit on cd anymore other than the minimal 30MB?
[22:54] <bekks> demophobia: 16k more writes. :)
[22:54] <bekks> Npc: No.
[22:54] <TJ-> demophobia: the bs=XXM value declares the maximum size of the read and write memory buffers allocated for each read/write operation. The larger the value - up to a certain point - the faster the transfers. Personally, I find using 100M gives the best balance of memory and speed for SATA/IDE devices
[22:56] <Bashing-om> Npc; Sure, see Lubuntu, Xubuntu, or a minimal install for instance.
[22:56] <tacorwin> Does anyone know if it is possible to install a minimal version of Ubuntu onto a Raspberry Pi?
[22:56] <SaberX01> performance is a factor of disk cache .. but for this evolution, I dont see why the larger block sizes are not sufficient.
[22:56] <demophobia> TJ-: Thank you, but Disk Utility says 'Connection: ATA'
[22:57] <demophobia> I thought ATA was different from SATA
[22:57]  * demophobia reads http://www.webopedia.com/DidYouKnow/Computer_Science/2007/sas_sata.asp
[22:57] <TJ-> demom: PATA and SATA are variations on ATA (the first is Parallel, the latter is Serial)
[22:58] <Npc> Bashing-om: thanks, i'll look at the lubuntu and xubuntu distributions
[22:58] <k1l_> demophobia: pata and sata.
[22:58] <demophobia> k1l_: i'm guessing by 'pata' you mean 'Parallel ATA', since that webpage I mentioned says, "Serial ATA is an evolution of the Parallel ATA"
[22:59] <k1l_> yes, pata is known as IDE
[22:59] <Bashing-om> Npc; Lubuntu impresses me greatly, fast and effecient.
[23:00] <SaberX01> All this is probably better suited in #ubuntu-ot ..
[23:00] <Npc> Bashing-om: sounds good for the computer i'm going to install it on
[23:01] <demophobia> Ok, so I'll try 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=16M'... Sounds good? ...
[23:03] <Bashing-om> Lubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu
[23:04] <otak> tacorwin: i believe ubuntu arm is on a newer version than the rpi chip, can't find the link now but go to #raspberrypi
[23:04] <SaberX01> I don't understand the original question: "images that fit on cd anymore other than the minimal 30MB?"  standard ISO's going away or something ?
[23:04] <jhutchins> Npc: It really doesn't matter which flavor you start with, you can install the alternatives on the same base system.
[23:04] <demophobia> bekks: I'm not sure how to estimate the time from what you've said. 500 GB -> 512,000 MB, and bs=BYTES 'read and write up to BYTES bytes at a time' -- doesn't putting '16M' mean '16 megabytes'?
[23:05] <jhutchins> Npc: THere are about a dozen different desktops available - see http://freedesktop.org
[23:05] <Npc> jhutchins: sure
[23:05] <tacorwin> otak: thanks!
[23:05] <tacorwin> otak: thanks!
[23:05] <jhutchins> Npc: Install as many as you like, pick the one that works best for you.
[23:06] <bamphomet> i tried every distro possible before choosing one.
[23:06] <bamphomet> and i ended up choosing 3 actually ;]
[23:07] <nodie> hi
[23:07] <demophobia> Is it possible to interrupt a 'dd' command, perhaps by control+c or something? Could that damage the disk?
[23:07] <bamphomet> oh your talking about window managers, nvm hehe
[23:07] <nodie> I'm having a strange problem with my laptop (acer 5750g, intel gpu) and my mouse cursor
[23:08] <Rory> nodie: Do we have to guess the problem, or are you going to tell us? ;)
[23:08] <nodie> when I run the desktop through gdm, lightdm or any other dm
[23:08] <k1l_> demophobia: yes, you can stop it with ctrl+c and no it will not damage
[23:08] <nodie> the mouse cursor does not appear with some desktops (Awesomewm)
[23:08] <nodie> while in gnome it's fine but does not appear when on qt windows for example
[23:09] <nodie> I've read somewhere that it's because I need to activate the SWCursor in the xorg.conf file
[23:09] <nodie> and I've created a xorg.conf (Xorg :0 -configure) with SWCursor on
[23:09] <nodie> when I run the desktop from console (startx) it's fine, but when I run it with the DM I still have the problem
[23:10] <nodie> any idea on how can I fix this? it's pretty annoying
[23:11] <tacorwin> nodie: I'm sorry, what is it that you are trying to fix?
[23:12] <nodie> tacorwin: as I explained, my mouse cursor disappears on certain desktops and on qt windows while in gnome
[23:12] <nodie> the mouse works, it's just that the cursor doesn't show
[23:13] <SaberX01> nodie, you build this from source or a PPA ?
[23:13] <nodie> SaberX01: I didn't build anything, if for building you meant "compile"
[23:14] <nodie> I'm running Ubuntu 13.10
[23:14] <tacorwin> nodie: so, if you run "startx", you have no problems?
[23:14] <SaberX01> nodie, ok .. how did you install the wm was all I was asking.
[23:15] <nodie> SaberX01: "apt-get install" no PPA, standard Ubuntu 13.10 package
[23:15] <nodie> tacorwin: yeap, with startx the cursor always appears (but only after using my own xorg.conf with SWCursor on)
[23:15] <SaberX01> nodie, ok thnx, it's not on 12.04 .. I dint use 13.x anything.
[23:15] <SaberX01> *dont
[23:17] <nodie> SaberX01: I don't expect it to be a bug on Ubuntu, but a misconfiguration or a HW problem/incompatibility
[23:17] <CarlFK> var/log/lightdm.log says "…Failed to find session configuration default"  which probably explains why I don't get a gui login..
[23:18] <SaberX01> nodie, I take that back, it's in Universe ..
[23:26] <themusicgod1> is it a bug when aclocal / automake need to be run for a project to make?
[23:27] <TJ-> themusicgod1: Bug in what? Is there a particular ubuntu source package you're having problems with?
[23:35] <themusicgod1> TJ-: gnome-shell
[23:40] <TJ-> themusicgod1: If after pulling the package source, or using "apt-get source $PKG" it fails to build using "debian/rules build && fakeroot debian/rules binary" I'd say there is a local configuration issue, since all the packages have built successfully on the build servers in order to populate the binary archive repositories
[23:45] <intrader> SaberX01, I am back after issuing a bunch of apt-get update, install ubuntu-desktop, dpkg-reconfigure ubuntu-desktop thanks to TomatoGuy in #Ubuntu o freenode - on OLPC X0
[23:46] <nemo> does anyone know of a workaround for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/blcr/+bug/1236154 ?
[23:47] <demophobia> I executed "sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=16M" about 35 minutes ago. Thank you for the help. I hope it will go well.
[23:47] <nemo> demophobia: wooooah someone told you to wipe your HD?
[23:47] <nemo> sure hope there was a good reason
[23:47] <Gerowen> Anybody know of a tool I could use to censor out a portion of a video?  For example if my the license plate on my car is visible for about 5 seconds, is there something I could use to censor it out?
[23:47] <demophobia> nemo: It was damaged, and I am seeing if I can install Linux on it, or if it's so damaged that it needs replacement.
[23:48] <demophobia> After it finishes, would it be a good idea to use Disk Utility to 'erase or reformat' it prior to clicking 'Install Ubuntu 12.04.3 LTS'?
[23:48] <nemo> demophobia: http://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/642577-making-movies-in-linux-with-openshot-
[23:48] <nemo> oh wait
[23:48] <nemo> Gerowen: http://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/642577-making-movies-in-linux-with-openshot-
[23:48] <FloodBot1> nemo: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:49] <nemo> uhhuh... thanks for not helping mr bot
[23:49] <demophobia> by 'damaged' I mean it has bad sectors, among other issues, and some files necessary for booting into Vista Home Premium were corrupted so it BSOD, and Startup Repair and System Restore both fail.
[23:49] <CarlFK> Gerowen: openshot .. you can define a region/start/end time to blur
[23:49] <nemo> CarlFK: yeah. that tutorial covers it a bit
[23:49] <Gerowen> nemo:CarlFK: Thanks, :-)
[23:49] <nemo> demophobia: oh lovely.
[23:50] <nemo> demophobia: if it has bad sectors, like, if there's anything being reported in palimpsest/disc utility you prob want to trash that asap
[23:50] <nemo> demophobia: 'cause prob will just spread and grow over time
[23:50] <demophobia> My father wants to watch blu-ray movies. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/BluRayAndHDDVD is not encouraging -- does Ubuntu formally take a 'hands off' approach to helping its users watch blu-ray?
[23:50] <jhutchins> demophobia: That's pretty unnecessary.  I'd just format it and install, then check for errors.
[23:51] <nemo> demophobia: prob w/ bluray, and there are channels for it on freenode, is that unfortunately while linux was one of the first to support the format, movie companies are not going to really support players on an open platform
[23:51] <demophobia> These three concerns Disk Utility reported: ''Reallocated Sector Count' has assessment 'Warning', Value 'Normalized: 100 / Worst: 100 / Threshold: 36 / Value: 230 sectors'', ''Airflow Temperature' has Assessment 'Failed in the past' with Value 'Normalized: 78 / Worst: 45 / Threshold: 45 / Value: 22 C / 72 F'', and ''Current Pending Sector Count' has Assessment 'Warning' with Value 'Normalized: 100 / Worst: 100 / Thre
[23:51] <demophobia> shold: 0 / Value: 158 sectors"'
[23:51] <nemo> demophobia: so. linux support is limited to discs that were produced with leaked keys
[23:51] <nemo> demophobia: very hit or miss.
[23:51] <nemo> decent for older movies
[23:51] <nemo> demophobia: DVD is totally fine
[23:52] <demophobia> jhutchins: Why do you think it is pretty unnecessary? Some others here have implied it would make a difference ...
[23:52] <nemo> prob a decent thing to do before trashing it to avoid info leaks
[23:53] <nemo> trashing it or doing a return
[23:53] <demophobia> If it does come to disposing it, what should I do with it? Should I give it to someone?
[23:53] <nemo> demophobia: nope.
[23:53] <nemo> demophobia: that's just mean :)
[23:53] <demophobia> I don't know if this ATA drive has any precious metals, etc.
[23:53] <nemo> lol
[23:54] <ObrienDave> demophobia, yea, about 5 buck worth LOL
[23:54] <nemo> hm that dkms bug was reported a month and a half ago
[23:54] <nemo> ObrienDave: that might be high side :)
[23:54] <ObrienDave> i was being generous ;P
[23:56] <yofun> Is there a way to wget a link such as http://forums.pocketmine.net/index.php?plugins/simpleauth.4/download&version=553 ?
[23:56] <intrader> SaberX01, thanks for your help - ubuntu really needs a better dependency manager
[23:57] <dramon> someone knows the way to make android phone connect wireless to ubuntu hotspot?
[23:59] <yofun> Is there a way to wget a link such as http://forums.pocketmine.net/index.php?plugins/simpleauth.4/download&version=553 ?