[00:22] <bluesabre> Unit193: finally fixed the daily builds of lightdm-gtk-greeter in trusty
[00:23] <bluesabre> ochosi: will probably do an official 1.7.0 release of the greeter tomorrow
[00:23] <bluesabre> and parole either tomorrow or saturday
[00:24] <Unit193> Alrighty-o.
[00:25] <bluesabre> +1 on Noskcaj's comment on getting 4.11 components in soon
[00:27]  * Unit193 updates vm.
[00:31]  * bluesabre installed a fedora-20-xfce vm today
[00:32] <bluesabre> non-xubuntu xfce is not pretty
[00:33] <Unit193> Fixed, eh? :P  201312270012~ubuntu14.04.1
[00:45] <Unit193> Not much in the new xfce4-terminal, crash fix and url selection fix.
[00:45] <Unit193> http://git.xfce.org/apps/xfce4-terminal/commit/?id=a33597ba929fb4cccb3626b0329c4db297816385
[00:47] <Unit193> http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfwm4/commit/?id=2b800f4f994e0e3951fc221933705051329b75bd xfwm too, nice.  Doesn't contain the new tabwin yet, and still has the zoom/transparency conflict.
[00:53] <ali12341> what conflict is that?
[00:54] <Unit193> Alt+scroll wheel on the title, no big deal I'd think.
[00:54] <ali12341> i don't follow
[00:54] <ali12341> alt+scroll on the title bar makes the window transparent?
[00:55] <ali12341> zooming actually uses the easymove key
[00:55] <Unit193> Mhmm, used to, never used it much, just remembered it randomly.
[00:55] <ali12341> so you can change it
[00:57] <ali12341> yeah changing it does make transparency work again
[00:57] <Unit193> Yep, just tested.
[03:49]  * pleia2 adds link from drc
[06:57] <ochosi> brainwash: yes, it was merged to master. i dunno whether it'll solve all the issues, but it's definitely an improvement
[06:57] <elfy> hi ochosi 
[06:58] <ochosi> ey
[06:59]  * ochosi is already on his way out again
[06:59] <ochosi> later
[06:59] <elfy> :)
[07:23] <elfy> Noskcaj ochosi bug 1264448
[07:28] <Noskcaj> It's fine for me on trust gtk2
[07:28] <Noskcaj> but i do shrink my panel
[07:29] <Noskcaj> But it's a PPA issue, so i'll check it when my dev pc get's set up
[07:31] <Noskcaj> Does it work without the shimmer PPA?
[07:31] <elfy> Noskcaj: it might be ok in gtk2 - but we need to be looking at these gtk3 things - we aren't shipping gtk2 :)
[07:32] <elfy> and I had the same issue with it when I built the gtk3 stuff rather than your ppa and without the shimmer one
[07:32] <Noskcaj> ok.
[07:33] <elfy> we need to have some sort of record of these issues - there might be a bug for it/or people might be aware of it
[11:42] <brainwash> ochosi: so I want the new terminal icon to be changed/reverted back.. did you create it or who did and how can I inform the creator?
[11:43] <brainwash> xubuntu-icon-theme
[11:45] <brainwash> it's too dark, almost plain black and every time I see it I dislike it even more
[12:16] <forestpiskie> some people without their glasses on can't actually see it -the white $_ just looks like a blur - it wouldn't actually be an issue to me if the panel itself wasn't almost black too
[12:35] <brainwash> right, people use the icons (window buttons in the panel) for better orientation
[12:35] <brainwash> but black on black is hard to spot
[14:14] <hugoangelo> hi all, I just starting testing (1st time) package Mousepad on Xubuntu and verified that the test results don't match the ones on the testcases. I believe that these are not bugs, but for beginners as myself is a bit confusing. Is there a way to inform the responsible for the testcases to check them or should I ignore an keep testing other packages?
[14:15] <hugoangelo> I tried to submit the test as failed, but without a bug number it won't let me
[14:16] <hugoangelo> should I submit as passed with some text on the comments box?
[14:17] <brainwash> hugoangelo: I don't know how testing works exactly, but why not create a bug report on launchpad and then link to it?
[14:19] <hugoangelo> ok, tks
[14:30] <elfy> hugoangelo: hi
[14:30] <elfy> what is it about the testcase you think is wrong? 
[14:30] <elfy> you can in fact do a bug for that 
[14:31] <hugoangelo> - On "This test will check that Mousepad can find and highlight searched text", step 6, the selected "the" is the second one because of step 5. This makes steps 6 and 7 inaccurate.
[14:31] <hugoangelo> - On "This test will check that Mousepad can find and replace text, including case sensitivity and saves on close", step 13, since on step 1 we use a new document, the "Save as" dialog is presented (without closing Mousepad).
[14:31] <hugoangelo> Probably these are not bugs (hence I did not report them), but these testcases should be updated so beginners as myself won't get confused.
[14:31] <hugoangelo> (sorry about this copy/paste from the comment I was going to send)
[14:31] <elfy> hang on - logging onto the tracker
[14:32] <elfy> mmm - I remember now - the bug link is missing from packages
[14:33] <elfy> hugoangelo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+filebug
[14:33] <elfy> then make sure to put the testcase number in the bug text
[14:33] <hugoangelo> I'm just new at this, actually this is my first test so I'm really just kinda lost
[14:33] <elfy> we're pretty quick at getting those bugs sorted out 
[14:34] <elfy> hugoangelo: yep, that's understood
[14:35] <elfy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website/+bug/1210728
[14:35] <elfy> hugoangelo: you can me too this one as well :)
[14:37] <hugoangelo> ok
[14:38] <elfy> and as far as the package test goes - if the testcase is wrong - but you'd pass it if the testcase was correct - then pass it - just note that there is an issue with the testcase
[14:39] <elfy> don't fail mousepad because the testcase needs to be fixed :)
[14:39] <elfy> does that make sense?
[14:39] <hugoangelo> ups
[14:40] <hugoangelo> ok, updated to pass ;)
[14:40] <hugoangelo> tks
[14:40] <elfy> welcome :)
[14:42] <elfy> and thanks for joining in - your input is appreciated 
[14:42] <hugoangelo> :)
[15:06] <brainwash> elfy: I can confirm that the time string gets truncated
[15:06] <brainwash> "Date time undersized"
[15:07] <brainwash> but we won't use the date/time indicator, so not a big deal as of now
[15:10] <brainwash> with the now fixed indicator-sound-gtk2 package we could even delay gtk3 indicators until 14.10, just a thought
[15:21] <elfy> brainwash: again we're back to the who or where does it say "we won't use the date/time indicator"
[15:21] <elfy> I've not seen that said by anyone apart from you :)
[15:22] <elfy> it's certainly not on the roadmap 
[15:22] <elfy> and I would hate to see gtk3 not get into trusty
[15:24] <elfy> and if we don't then we need to look at all the old gtk2 inds we don't have anymore and get them in 
[15:24] <elfy> messages for one
[15:25] <elfy> they have all been falling by the wayside release by release - and if we all have is sound in gtk2 and we don't get gtk3 then we should lose the whole lot
[15:40] <andrzejr> brainwash, elfy, datetime should be fixed in xfce4-indicator-master (I hope)
[16:06] <elfy> andrzejr: ok - thanks for letting me know
[16:41] <pleia2> ElderDryas: thanks for the link re: Xubuntu #2
[16:42] <pleia2> I forgot to bring a copy of the 14.04 iso on this trip, booooo
[16:42]  * pleia2 attempts download over lousy wifi
[16:46] <ElderDryas> pleia2: np
[16:47] <ElderDryas> lousy or lossy :)
[16:48] <pleia2> both ;) thank goodness for tcp and rsync
[17:05] <brainwash> elfy: doesn't date/time require the unity settings manager for configuration?
[17:05] <brainwash> same for indicator-power
[17:08] <brainwash> and indicator-session I assume
[17:08] <brainwash> "we" only want the minimum amount of unity in xubuntu, right?
[17:10] <Unit193> We already bring in enough with indicator-sound.
[17:11] <brainwash> but it does not require the settings manager, only pavucontrol
[17:12] <Unit193> Because of how the seeds work, we pull gnome-control-center onto the ISO.
[17:13] <brainwash> so this question needs to be answered: should current panel items get replaced by the gtk3 indicator equivalents?
[17:13] <brainwash> date/time/, power, session
[17:15] <Unit193> I've stuck to 2 because the new panel doesn't handle color/bg/transparency.  Indicators are more likely to break than "panel items"
[17:15] <brainwash> but this transparency issue will get fixed eventually
[17:17] <brainwash> on top of that, you can place panel item everywhere you like, indicators are bound to the indicator area
[17:17] <brainwash> and you cannot change the order I think
[17:18] <Unit193> Well, may have to go with power if xfpm isn't "fixed" to work with sysd.
[17:18] <brainwash> already fixed
[17:18] <brainwash> PPA only as of now
[17:19] <brainwash> currently we got all the new stuff spread across various PPAs
[17:20] <brainwash> and branches
[17:20] <Unit193> Mhmm.
[17:21] <Unit193> I was thinking upstream, in Debian and preferred in Xfce.
[17:22] <brainwash> not sure what the guys upstream intend to do
[17:23] <brainwash> bug 1222021
[17:23] <brainwash> includes links to debian and xfce
[17:23] <brainwash> and it already has been fixed in OpenSUSE
[17:26] <brainwash> Unit193: did you build xfwm4 tabwin with MONITOR_ROOT_PIXMAP enabled?
[17:30] <brainwash> I mean to activate the smooth greeter -> desktop transition
[17:42] <andrzejr> brainwash, transparency is fixed in xfce4-panel master. Current solution will probably not work with a future gtk3 panel but that's another issue.
[17:43] <andrzejr> brainwash, you can change order of indicators in the indicator plugin.
[17:43] <brainwash> andrzejr: I did apply the "Fix transparency issues with GTK3 plugins" fix, but it did not change anything at all, so let me try and rebuild again
[17:43] <andrzejr> You can also use multiple indicator plugins if you prefer to distribute the indicators across the panel.
[17:43] <brainwash> ok, gonna try to change order too :)
[17:44] <brainwash> awesome
[17:44] <andrzejr> brainwash, are you using xfce4-panel/master branch?
[17:45] <brainwash> using Noskcaj's PPA
[17:45] <brainwash> and did a simple rebuild
[17:46] <brainwash> with this particular fix
[17:47] <brainwash> so there is most likely something wrong on my end
[17:50] <andrzejr> hmm.. noskcaj's package is based on wrapper3 branch but the patch should still apply cleanly. Let me know if you spot any issues.
[17:56] <ochosi> brainwash: it was merged from elementary upstream, best to complain there
[17:57] <brainwash> andrzejr: ok
[17:57] <brainwash> ochosi: so we just use the new one?
[17:59] <brainwash> eOS uses plank, so there shouldn't be any problems with a plain dark icon
[18:02] <ochosi> brainwash: can you file an issue on github so i remember to take care of it next year
[18:04] <brainwash> ochosi: alright
[18:05] <brainwash> oh, almost forgot about this.. parole 0.5.90, about dialog shows a blurry icon
[18:05] <ochosi> ty
[18:06] <brainwash> 0.5.2 reserves a smaller area for the icon
[18:07] <brainwash> so we might need a high res version of the parole icon :)
[18:07] <brainwash> in trusty
[18:08] <ochosi> mm, good point, we should look into that too
[18:08] <ochosi> currwntly we have 64px i think
[18:08] <brainwash> and sorry for bothering you with low res icons once again (remember the trash icon?)
[18:10] <ochosi> np
[18:12] <ochosi> bbl
[18:22] <Unit193> brainwash: Yes.
[18:26] <Unit193> (Isn't smooth for me yet, seems xfsettingsd and/or /etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc sets it black.
[18:51] <brainwash> Unit193: ah, you already mentioned this
[18:52] <brainwash> strange =S
[18:52] <Unit193> Mhmm.
[18:52] <Unit193> Still, cuts down on the grey, I notice now more because the netbook doesn't have it.
[18:58] <brainwash> will or does bug 1193716 affect xubuntu trusty?
[19:00] <brainwash> I'll test that
[19:07] <ochosi> brainwash: that's supposedly X11's buitlin screensaver extension
[19:08] <ochosi> i think the powermanager doesnt control that extension
[19:13] <brainwash> yes
[19:13] <brainwash> so, what to do?
[19:13] <Unit193> brainwash: You have a seemless transition now right?
[19:14] <brainwash> Unit193: yes, no blank screen at all
[19:15] <Unit193> Hrm, mind trying xfwm and/or xfdesktop from ppa?
[19:15] <Unit193> Is your setup non-standard?
[19:16] <brainwash> yes, it's a mess
[19:17] <brainwash> do you also use upstream lightdm-gtk-greeter?
[19:17] <brainwash> which contains the root background fixes
[19:18] <Unit193> From the daily ppa, in vbox yep.
[19:19] <brainwash> ok, so I'll test your PPA packages in few minutes
[19:20] <brainwash> ochosi: should xfce4-power-manager be marked as invalid package then?
[19:20] <brainwash> invalid or wishlist
[19:21] <ochosi> brainwash: i guess wishlist, but anyway, this should be fixed upstream somehow
[19:21] <ochosi> but as there is no maintainer, i'm not sure
[19:23] <brainwash> or via light-locker and it's non existing gui settings window :)
[19:23] <ochosi> feel free to submit a patch for that one ;)
[19:24] <elfy> brainwash: I got that 10 minutes inactivity thing going on here - not sure what it's caused by, must be something in one of the ppa's - with a clean vanilla install I didn't have it
[19:24] <brainwash> it's caused by the X server
[19:25] <elfy> needs to be fixed whatever it is though 
[19:25] <brainwash> vanilla install? you mean with xscreensaver?
[19:25] <ochosi> just a setting
[19:25] <elfy> brainwash: yea
[19:25] <elfy> install from iso - not happening 
[19:25] <brainwash> right, xscreensaver does allow to change the settings
[19:25] <elfy> yep
[19:26] <brainwash> and it can even show screensavers, lots of them :)
[19:26] <brainwash> it's so superior xD
[19:28] <brainwash> I will try to work on solution for light-locker or xfce4-power-manager
[19:28] <brainwash> but I usually get distracted by other projects
[19:31] <ochosi> sounds good
[19:31] <ochosi> anyway, g2g, bbl
[20:40] <brainwash> Unit193: installed your packages and I cannot spot any black screen flicker
[20:40] <Unit193> Good.  Thanks.
[20:40] <brainwash> tabwin seems to work (first time actually seeing it)
[20:41] <Unit193> Of course it does, main reason for that to exist, quite like it.  So, did you happen to do anything weird with xfce4-session?
[20:41] <brainwash> no
[20:42] <brainwash> http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/commit/?id=596ac7b07939b3b93c6253b2db704a91e68e75d0
[20:42] <brainwash> is great too :)
[20:42] <brainwash> it should be the default xfce4-session binary and (xubuntu) config
[20:43] <brainwash> can you verify the black flicker with a new user account?
[20:53] <Unit193> Sure, still happens.
[20:55] <brainwash> and the culprit is xfce4-session?
[20:56] <brainwash> or unknown? :)
[20:56] <Unit193> Unknown technically, yes. :)